For many women in ministry, the expection that they be a dutiful daughter of the patriarch ransoms their ability to speak truth to power.
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May 18, 2007 5:37 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 18, 2007 05:37
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May 18, 2007 5:00 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 18, 2007 05:00
And in a single blow, a mere woman was able to shatter the world of that all-too-manly AdaMan.
January 22, 2007 4:33 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on January 22, 2007 16:33
the words of malcom x himself
ictoria:
ISLAM is a religion that forbids racism- eeryone knows the story of malcom x and his revelation on the equality of man that happened to him at his pilgrimage to mecca
El Hajj Malik El Shabazz (Malcolm X)'s letter
Many Muslims who have been blessed to make Hajj often speak of how the journey is a life-changing experience. This is more the case for some than others.
Malcolm X is one Muslim who saw the light of true Islam through his Hajj in April 1964. As a former member and speaker for the Nation of Islam, a black spiritual and nationalist movement, he believed that the white man was the devil and the black man superior.
After leaving the Nation of Islam in March 1964, he made Hajj, which helped change his perspective on whites and racism completely.
Here is an excerpt of a letter El Hajj Malik El Shabazz wrote about his Hajj experience. In it, he explains what it was during this blessed journey that made him so profoundly shift his perspective on race and racism:
"There were tens of thousands of pilgrims, from all over the world. They were of all colors, from blue-eyed blondes to black-skinned Africans. But we were all participating in the same ritual, displaying a spirit of unity and brotherhood that my experiences in America had led me to believe never could exist between the white and the non-white.
You may be shocked by these words coming from me. But on this pilgrimage, what I have seen, and experienced, has forced me to rearrange much of my thought patterns previously held, and to toss aside some of my previous conclusions. This was not too difficult for me. Despite my firm convictions, I have been always a man who tries to face facts, and to accept the reality of life as new experience and new knowledge unfolds it. I have always kept an open mind, which is necessary to the flexibility that must go hand in hand with every form of intelligent search for truth.
During the past eleven days here in the Muslim world, I have eaten from the same plate, drunk from the same glass and slept in the same bed (or on the same rug)-while praying to the same God with fellow Muslims, whose eyes were the bluest of the blue, whose hair was the blondest of blond, and whose skin was the whitest of white. And in the words and in the actions and in the deeds of the ‘white' Muslims, I felt the same sincerity that I felt among the black African Muslims of Nigeria, Sudan and Ghana.
We are truly all the same-brothers.
All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the worlds."
peace brother
is he still your hero adaman?
January 22, 2007 11:08 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on January 22, 2007 11:08
I would like to point out, it's NOT just organized religion....and it's an insidious little passive-aggressive inside game men just LOVE to play on a daily if not hourly basis
My example?
The movie "9 to 5".
and
Getting the garbage out of the house to the trashbin.
and
Lowering the toilet seat when finished.
I rest my case.
January 22, 2007 5:14 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on January 22, 2007 05:14
AdaMan,
You don't even know who Malcolm X is.
January 22, 2007 3:44 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on January 22, 2007 03:44
Back I am. Glad you are? No?? smile, God loves you. God Bless you and help you achieve Truth and Light, Peace and Understanding.
January 22, 2007 3:05 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on January 22, 2007 03:05
Popular Culture examples do not carry enough weight for you? Well, we have Eve. We also have someone hidden away in history to protect the innocent. Why do you think Mary was villified and Jesus was Crucified? Go ahead, take all the time you need. I will not wait. bye.
January 22, 2007 2:35 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on January 22, 2007 02:35
Backwards indeed. Allow me to modify my Brother Malcolm's observation. He was partially blinded by the fact that he had an extremely good woman as his wife. Truly Blessed was he. Women are the problem. Life is God's gift to man, you are part of that life. YOU ARE NOT God's gift to man. YOU ARE NOT WORTHY OF WORSHIP BEFORE GOD.
If a man stops worshiping you get jealous and nasty. Matrix, the Frenchman's complaint? He would not be controlled by the envious female dog.
Yeah, there is great danger in a double dose of X. You drive men crazy. You are both a blessing and a curse which makes you neither. Often it just makes you a pain in the a$$.
January 22, 2007 2:24 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on January 22, 2007 02:24
As my mentor Malcolm X observed, you American White Folk are the problem, but you are not the world. Come down off of your high heels darling. You have some serious work to do.
January 22, 2007 2:02 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on January 22, 2007 02:02
I find you caucasians unworthy. You are on your own.
January 22, 2007 1:43 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on January 22, 2007 01:43
Rev. Artess, my significant other taught me about labrinths. The popular song group Maze has just such structures in the shape of two superimposed healing hands of faith as their symbol. Their Album Back To Basics is among my favorite. I ask you to listen to Maze's Nobody on that album. It can share with you just how limiting the traditional role of male is also. Especially when the dominant role of man is further limited to white men. I respectfully suggest to you that as bad as you white women think you have it, with the advent of Civil Rights, you rode the backs of former slaves into a strenghtened pole position in American Racial politics. quote This calls to mind the famous quote of one-time Texas governor Anne Richard who used the analogy of dancing: Women have to do everything a man does but do it backwards and in high heels endquote. Cute. Try walking in the shoes of former slaves. Assuming they have shoes for you to wear. I mean, if we are to use analogies, perhaps we should make certain they are accurate? And btw, please do not look at us, you might get us castrated and lynched. Get over yourselves. You can be as bad as your men are.
January 22, 2007 12:06 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on January 22, 2007 00:06
Christianity is the one religion that makes men and women equal. Equality is on the spiritual level. Our souls are equal. If you're talking physically, then what two people are equal?
As a man I'm not equal to Bill Gates or Pres Bush or Sen Clinton, let alone any rich person. Life has never been fair and never will be. We can all vote or run for office{providing we have money}, but we can't all be famous or important in society.
January 21, 2007 10:16 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on January 21, 2007 22:16
The case of the lost girl in the woods of Cambodia for 18 years has obviously demonstrated that without culture or religion, man has an inborn ability to survive. How is this innate ability come about remains to be explained by scientific means. She behaves like an animal as expected to have learned from instincts, habitual behaviour, from of her environment.
It is expected for natural progression towards a modern civilisation, determined by the natural surrounding and innate urge for self perseveration. Note out human would begin to stand upright and start to use his/her mind, learn how to communicate and record his/her communication, develop arts and language until she wants to control the sun as well!
Since we are social animals, we would naturally organize and develop social groups from interactivities of maintaining life. And this was all fine until Capitalism exploited our labour for someone else's profit, and greed gave rise to poverty, famine, crime, disease, and extreme struggles.
They would rather see others submerge to the ocean rise than to admit the consequences of global warming, largely from feeding their habits and lifestyle.
We have the mentality to live in peace, but I guess others need to prove their superiority...
There is a huge gap between logic and the chimp. If I should measure this in moral terms, the little native girl in the woods is in the mercy of the wild although she is innocent and free. Her life in the modern is tormented in mental slavery to the system she helped established. Today, she only has herself to blame.
January 21, 2007 10:01 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on January 21, 2007 22:01
Thank you Dr. Artress,
You seem to be arguing that on this subject there is absolutely no redeeming characteristic to be applied to any major religion. (Your honesty is truly appreciated.)
So, might not one infer, there is really nothing religion can inform the contemporary human being about? Beyond the sciences, the advancement in liberal democracies (which protect women FROM religion), and the institution of law, what possible service might religion provide humanity beyond the fundamentally hardwired acts of love and charity? A Chimp (in the wild) is loving and charitable. Wouldn't such love and charity simply eliminate the need for any religion -- since it is easily replaced by the logic and actions of any random first grade class of children anywhere on the planet?
Please advise. Thank you.
January 21, 2007 7:50 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on January 21, 2007 19:50
If we should go back to the Patriarchs we may find the chronology along the lines of Adam down to Abraham, David, and Solomon, a journey in exile from the wilderness of the Herodians, the Pharisees, and the Romans into the temple. Along the way they learned about cultures and their attitudes to sexuality as referenced mainly in the Old Testament. Because of their differences and indulging in sin, they failed to reach the temple. And so God sent his son Jesus to die for their sin and rewrite a new covenant in their hearts. We are not living in the past; instead we make sense of our experience in their symbolic meanings in the New Testament.
Having freedom and total dominion over nature, this rational principle of life also has a line from the likes of Plato, Aristotle, Darwin, Hitler, Bush and Blair. And now woman wants to have her name on the board as well. As a consequence, everyone irrespective of their abilities are scaled to one level, those with extra abilities are banned from further learning unless they are women. Now the young men have found themselves lacking fathers, teacher role models, and have opted for alternative lifestyles in drugs, alcohol, crime, and eventually suicide.
Those are the fundamental rights inalienable to man (person) and yet in the name of so-called equality the rights of the innocent are trampled upon.
We are nowhere near living under Gods covenant; we are merely depended upon the rules imposed from our modern Pharisees, and Romans. It is not religion.
Wonder what a future chronological line might look like?
January 21, 2007 7:02 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on January 21, 2007 19:02
The question of women's treatment in relgion was high comedy in itself, even without going into detail on the answers. Taking Christianity as an example, a quick google search reveals:
"St. Thomas Aquinas suggested that God had made a mistake in creating woman: "nothing [deficient] or defective should have been produced in the first establishment of things; so woman ought not to have been produced then."
And he was on-message enough to have been made a saint.
We're talking about a religion with a holy book which contains the phrase "It is a good thing for a man not to touch a woman." (Corinthians 7:1).
Bishops at the sixth century Council of Macon voted as to whether women had souls or not.
Lutherans at Wittenberg debated whether women were *actually human beings at all...*
It started badly with the whole Sin thing, and didn't get much better even when Jesus hung around with women, criminals and other undesirables. Thankfully, more and more people are looking to newer religions to find something with a bit more balance (and nice move with the Labyrinth) but historically speaking it's safe to say "women have had a hard time of it".
January 21, 2007 6:53 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on January 21, 2007 18:53
Up with patriarchy — down with labyrinths
January 21, 2007 4:46 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on January 21, 2007 16:46
Terra Gazelle describes her labyrinth experience which I am yet to have myself.
A one-nighter with 1,000 candles and a bon fire. The highlight would have been to sacrifice a young virgin but I suppose that's not allowed any more. Probably wasn't any reason anyhow, volcano errutping, earthquake or the like. But then there is this Iraq thing that looks something like a volcano and there's the war on terror. Could help. No?
January 21, 2007 4:35 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on January 21, 2007 16:35
you were more on track than i was---
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[edit] Attributed
Of Fred Astaire:
* Sure he was great, but don't forget that Ginger Rogers did everything he did, backwards... and in high heels. [1]
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1. ↑ In a 1982 "Frank and Ernest" cartoon. Often incorrectly attributed to Faith Whittlesey, Ann Richards (who said it in a 1988 speech), or to Ginger Rogers herself, but the official Ginger Rogers Website attributes it to Thaves. The quote is often given as "Ginger Rogers did everything Fred Astaire did, except backwards and in high heels."
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peace
January 21, 2007 2:19 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on January 21, 2007 14:19
Hi Ms. Artress,
I agree with everything you say. So why are you a "Rev." Is that a joke of some kind? If your goofy "belief" system got it so wrong with dehumanization of women, why would you accept any other teaching as remotely relevant to human existence?
You're not stupid, are you?
Your pal,
Bob
January 19, 2007 11:01 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on January 19, 2007 23:01
Rev.Artress,
I have walked the labyrinth...a copy of the 3000 year old one found on a cave wall in Crete. It was an amazing experience that I recommend all people to do.
It was under a full moon with pan flutes, a harp and wind chimes playing ...the labyrinth was created from 1000 candles and set up for one night. In the middle was a bonfire, that you meditated by before continueing your journey back. It was a very emotional, beautiful experience.
You are fortunate that you were allowed to have the labyrinth...I hope many people take advantage of it, they are lucky.
Victoria, Gov. Richards was talking about Ginger Rogers compared to Fred Astarae, she did not get the quote from Ginger. Just like she made the Poor George quote..."He can't help it, he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth." (should have been a silver boot in his mouth).
Blessings
January 19, 2007 9:53 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on January 19, 2007 21:53
Ms. Artress you are a woman after my own heart-
for the record- the former governor got that quote from ginger rodgers-(when asked about the superior dancing of fred astaire) its one of my all time favorites
peace
January 19, 2007 4:38 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on January 19, 2007 16:38