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God bless America and our Militaries!!! Show your patriotic feelings to America. USA Patriotic and Armed Forces Charms are great way to show loyalty and support for your country and for people, which serve this country.

Dear Mr. Meacham,

That is precious that your children enjoy "little church" and communion so much.

My own children are not fond of children's church, saying that it is too loud (I guess I should mention that we go to an Pentacostal Christian church). But they do enjoy our traditions that we have at home, like Advent and our Sunday dinners, and have always been very curious about the Lord.

It is refreshing to see words written about faith, even if it is about the struggle. I suppose the struggle is why St. Paul told St. Timothy to "fight the good fight of faith."

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You wondered how anyone could give up his own son for execution. I have had that same question.

In Moses' day one could not see nor touch the Lord without instant death, I wondered why that would be so.

Could it be that the Person Moses dealt with was made up of something other than matter? (Anti matter for instance?)

Could the clue be that Jesus always refered to Himself as the "Son of Man" and that He and the Father were one?

Perhaps the only way for our Creator to be able to present himself physically was to actually go through the same birth process as man.

That would make Him his own Son, so to speak, not a second person and therefor the one crucified was the very same person that called out to Moses in the first place.

You wondered how anyone could give up his own son for execution. I have had that same question.

In Moses' day one could not see nor touch the Lord without instant death, I wondered why that would be so.

Could it be that the Person Moses dealt with was made up of something other than matter? (Anti matter for instance?)

Could the clue be that Jesus always refered to Himself as the "Son of Man" and that He and the Father were one?

Perhaps the only way for our Creator to be able to present himself physically was to actually go through the same birth process as man.

That would make Him his own Son, so to speak, not a second person and therefor the one crucified was the very same person that called out to Moses in the first place.

this is excellent. Jon Meacham writes so beautifully and has such command of the English language. I consider reading his work a pure joy and gift. What grace.

Jon,

Didn't know where else to post this so I thought this was as good as any. Your partner was on WUSA, Ch 9 in Wash. D.C. the other day promoting this site as a forum for "moderate" Muslims. Indeed, she claimed that there were no more than 125 to 150k "radicals" (surely she means Islamists) worldwide. I believe Ms Quinn is more than ill informed, such a claim borders on pandering. I served in the Intelligence Community for 25 years and I would venture a guess that a single province in Afghanistan alone has that many. If you and she seek to present a balanced diaologue you need to vet the Islamist view also, ugly as it is. At the moment both of you, like Robin Mcneil over at PBS, are cherry picking Muslims to "prove" that the majority are moderates. The jury is still out on this question. Wishful thinking is not an argument.

Jon,

Didn't know where else to post this so I thought this was as good as any. Your partner was on WUSA, Ch 9 in Wash. D.C. the other day promoting this site as a forum for "moderate" Muslims. Indeed, she claimed that there were no more than 125 to 150k "radicals" (surely she means Islamists) worldwide. I believe Ms Quinn is more than ill informed, such a claim borders on pandering. I served in the Intelligence Community for 25 years and I would venture a guess that a single province in Afghanistan alone has that many. If you and she seek to present a balanced diaologue you need to vet the Islamist view also, ugly as it is. At the moment both of you, like Robin Mcneil over at PBS, are cherry picking Muslims to "prove" that the majority are moderates. The jury is still out on this question. Wishful thinking is not an argument.

Jon,

Didn't know where else to post this so I thought this was as good as any. Your partner was on WUSA, Ch 9 in Wash. D.C. the other day promoting this site as a forum for "moderate" Muslims. Indeed, she claimed that there were no more than 125 to 150k "radicals" (surely she means Islamists) worldwide. I believe Ms Quinn is more than ill informed, such a claim borders on pandering. I served in the Intelligence Community for 25 years and I would venture a guess that a single province in Afghanistan alone has that many. If you and she seek to present a balanced diaologue you need to vet the Islamist view also, ugly as it is. At the moment both of you, like Robin Mcneil over at PBS, are cherry picking Muslims to "prove" that the majority are moderates. The jury is still out on this question. Wishful thinking is not an argument.

Jon,

Didn't know where else to post this so I thought this was as good as any. Your partner was on WUSA, Ch 9 in Wash. D.C. the other day promoting this site as a forum for "moderate" Muslims. Indeed, she claimed that there were no more than 125 to 150k "radicals" (surely she means Islamists) worldwide. I believe Ms Quinn is more than ill informed, such a claim borders on pandering. I served in the Intelligence Community for 25 years and I would venture a guess that a single province in Afghanistan alone has that many. If you and she seek to present a balanced diaologue you need to vet the Islamist view also, ugly as it is. At the moment both of you, like Robin Mcneil over at PBS, are cherry picking Muslims to "prove" that the majority are moderates. The jury is still out on this question. Wishful thinking is not an argument.

It's a great achievement for Islamic leaders and scholars as well as Newsweek and the Washington post to present this imperative opportunity for inter cultural and global philosophical dialogue. What's important is that by exchanging our ideas and comments regarding inter religious relations and world events that affect our views of each other as fellow human beings. Since the advent of humanity, We strove to make sense of the world we live in and the lives we've experienced. Worldwide curiosities to learn the true nature of life and our universe is an exceptionally rare virtue upon life on Earth. In other words, we're the only known species on the planet who've pursued to unravel these great mysteries and developed written philosophies based upon our understanding of the world around us.
One such philosophy that lasted throughout the ages of humanity is commonly known as religion and spirituality. Ever since our early belief in the Sky God and the God Mother from ancient Pagan times, we vigorously pursued to unravel the truth about our most profound questions. As any educated person would know that religion and their core beliefs or faith have evolved over time. Paganism, Monotheism and Polytheism have been influenced by humanity as these great philosophies have influenced our perceptions and decisions in life over the ages. Over time humanity has embraced diverse religious faiths and spiritual convictions that continue to influence our behavior in our times and most likely beyond.
What's vital for humanity's progress and even survival is to know the true nature of faith itself. To understand the true origins of faith. But most of all, is to accept the truth for whatever it may be. Each one of us will learn the absolute truth once we die. But until that time comes for anyone of us to depart this world, we really don't know the answer to God's existence nor do we have the absolute truth in regards to the true nature of God. Besides if we did possess the truth, there would've been only one religion on Earth with no diversification of any way, shape of form. There would only be one holy scripture written throughout human history.
Considering one's religious faith to be absolute, while considering others to be false would be ethnocentric at best. While collectively searching to unravel the mysteries on nature, life and the universe through sincere reasoning and serious research would be enlightening at its worst. Most importantly, we must accept the fact is that none of us have conclusive evidence to confirm our core beliefs and there's always an immanent change that our most cherished beliefs could be wrong. Our greatest challenge would be to tolerate the truth no matter what it may ultimately be. With such an open mind, we would be able to overcome any future discovery that would contradict our faith regarding the true nature of life, spirituality and divinity.
Humanity does have the ability to achieve such a social achievement. However, it's solely up to humanity and not any other entity or groups of entities to decide our destinies. Each one of us has a choice to make; either hopelessly engaging into meaningless inter cultural conflicts or combine our scientific and cultural gifts to thrive into an enlightened global civilization that could ultimately expand beyond our solar system. The choice is yours, and the time to make it is now!

Your religious belief system is likely the most common found in America. The compartmentalizaiton of following Jesus as just one thing of many that make of the tapestry of life is the easiest and most comfortable form of religion.

I argue that biblical Christianity requires Jesus to be at the center, and what I do I do to bring him glory (taking a walk, being an American, how I spend my money and time, etc.). Please review what Jesus told the young rich ruler that played by all the rules - give it up and follow me.

Biblical Christians are not rigid or exclusive, we love those God has placed in our lives. We are called to share Christ (in word and deed) and give him glory. Being "born again" comes from Christ Jesus himself. He thought the religious Pharisee (Jn. 3) and the sinner (Jn.4) both need to drink of the living water he provides. He loved the sinner, but hated the sins (and so should we).

True peace only comes when the Holy Spirit comes to live in us; this is a present day reality not historical in nature.

If you had opened your heart to Jesus, he( as promised) and his Father and the Holy Spirit would be living there now. I noticed that you had not a word of encouragement for Imus when he mentioned looking into government spending on sickle-cell. Guess that isn't a hot topic in your all white Connecticut Episcopalian Church. Who held YOUR coat as you joined in his very public stoning? Faith without works. He's done many good works and his heart cares for the poor, blacks and those who are hurting.He treated you warmly and well. I will pray that you too, can come to know the real Jesus- even if it is more difficult than the camel through the eye of a needle. Don DID ask for forgiveness- his actions show he should have received it. Stop giving Christianity a bad name.

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Our mutual friend Ken Woodward told me you were a faithful Episcopalian. Now I have proof! (I'm a faithful communicant in another church, but go occasionally to an Episcopal church for a refreshing drink of the Book of Common Prayer.)
You may be aware that your post has met with some consternation among the atheists chattering on Sam Harris' "God's Hostages" (On Faith). If I were a better Christian, I would not so much enjoy the confounding of atheists.

Will there ever be a law made to punish the female or a doctors for having abortions.

I cannot understand why we still have to go through all these female problems, when there is another way for Man to reproduce, that does not punish the female, the child, or the male. High Tech Science Pure-bred Human Reproduction in a High Tech Womb.

Why should the female go through all the travail of carrying a defective child, and haave all the problems of raising it, or society raising it? If she does abort, there are all kinds of mental problems to solve.

After 6000 years of Heterosexual Body Reproduction, and all the problems and killing that has resulted, how cab people keep arguing about aborting or not? Which results in the smallest amount of killing by Man.

Why we cannot get as upset about all the other Killing of people in war, that are alive after birth, is beyond me. Life is for the Living, not the Dead.

I guess being upset with the female about abortion, is built-in punishment for the female, for making the male fertilize her when they were not supposed to reproduce by Body 'in the beginning'.

With all the common sense in the world, the reaction to High Tech Science Pure-bred reproduction in a High Tech Womb, that makes Perfect Humans, instead of the defective Humans made in the female womb, is frightening to me.

Maybe it is better for Fallen Man to blow up their planet, and in this way get rid of the defective Life that Kills GOD/SOLs Creation and All Life on Earth.

May Jesus' Asexual Agape Love Bring Peace to Earth.

A conference on world religions is scheduled for this weekend, 20 and 21, in Victoria, B.C. The question is "Is Religion Dead?"

We all have our belief about God, as a One God, as a Living God, a Spirit God, a Higher 'Being' God, a God In Three 'Persons', Lord, Allah, etc.

But most Christians think they have to die and go to Heaven to see God. Does this mean the God of religion is Living in another element, beside Physical? Is it possible to be with God in Heaven, Alive in a physical body?' Is that how Jesus is? Is this God, a God of the Dead? Is God dead?

People say Jesus is a Living God but do they think he is in a physical body in Heaven? Will he return in the same physical body that he left Earth in, 2000 years ago?

Until we have a better explanation of God, is religion dead?

I say Jesus is alive on another planet and in spaceships. And so is the God/Lord that created life on Earth and created perfect people on Earth. This God is our High Tech Ancestors from space that Colonized Earth. And Jesus did go Alive up into space, sitting at the right hand of the Father of Life on Earth.

They are all Alive in Pure-bred Physical Bodies that never die, so they are considered God-like. They Space time is different from Earth time. A Day with the Lord/HTA is as 1000 years Earth time. We know that space time is different from Earth time. Jesus has only been gone 2 Days space travel time.

Also with High Tech Pure-bred Physical Life you live forever with High Tech Correction if anything goes wrong with your body.

So it is Time with Space Knowledge, to ask if Religion is dead. There is no religion where Jesus and our HTA are. Only Equality and Equal Sharing of the resources and work. It is a physical Life not spiritual.

The Only Way to go to the Heaven/Planet where Jesus is, is by High Tech travel. This is also in religious teachings about the End Times when people will be 'regenerated' like Jesus was and they will go with Jesus and our HTA to a new planet, colonized like Earth was 'in the beginning'.

When this happens religion will be dead, because Man will Know the Literal Truth of Life After Birth is what people thought the Bible teaches about Life After Death. Is there Life as we know it After Death? There is Eternal Pure-bred Asexual Human Life After Birth.

Peace.

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My first sentence should have said "and others say it was 6 days of Earth time."

I have posted about the Colonization of Planet Earth and that each Day of Colonization was 1,000 years on Earth and have said it was only a 6 day Earth time.

I said that on Day 4, the sun, moon and stars could be seen from land, as the Soupy atmosphere was clear, and that this was not when the Universe was created, as was taught by religion. Today with High Tech Science we know a planet cannot exist before the Universe.

Now I can say when the 24 hour day started on Earth. It was on Day 4, when the soupy atmosphere was clear, and the Sun reached the face of the Earth, and with the rising and setting of the Sun, the Day and Night started. 6 days of Earth time, was not the 6 Days/6000 years space time, it took to Colonize Earth.

Genesis 1:4,5. KJV. "And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."

This was the first day on Earth that Day and Night started. "God" our High Tech Ancestors that colonized Earth separated the darkness on Earth with blue-green algae and this cleared the darkness on Earth and made Day and Night. Blue-green algae is the oldest element on Earth.

Bible verses are not always in the order of happening, but the Truth can be found in the whole chapter with a High Tech Science reading.

Beautiful. May our LORD bless your desire to raise your children in faith, hope and love -- to point them home. Magna Est Veritas.

The Pope's Midnight Mass and the Homily from his Christmas Day message were very good, and state many of my thoughts about Life today in our Global Village.

From the Christmas Day message, the URBI ET ORBI: "But does a "Savior" still have any value and meaning 'for the men and women of the third millennium? People continue to die of hunger and thirst, disease and poverty, in this age of plenty and of unbridled consumerism."

Does Jesus have any influence on any countries that have the Christian religion to make Peace, not War?

Why does this hate of our Brothers/Sisters continue just as it has been in the past? How has the coming of Jesus the Christ/Messiah changed the Living habits of the Crew on spaceship Earth? Because they have the loophole of dying and going to Heaven? So who cares what happens to our Home Planet and the LIFE on it?

What is the basic reason the Crew on spaceship Earth does not Share the Resources Equally and Kills their Brothers'Sisters of LIFE and their Eco System?

Why does a few of the Crew store up billions of dollars, and million die from starvation? Why has Charity been a drop in the bucket in the past, and for our population explosion today?

Of all the reasons to explain this in the past and today, is that you have to worship a God, to get your daily needs, and go to worship God/Jesus, in temples made by human hands, etc., at least one time a week, has not solved the problem. Starvation, war and rumors of war continues daily.

None of this is the fault of GOD, the maker of the Atom and Electro-Magnetic Elements that make the Universes, nor the Man Gods who are our High Tech Ancestors that Colonized Earth. So whose fault is it? Fallen Man? Fallen from what? Original Sin?

Is it Time to admit that the Original Sin in Genesis, describes Perfect People created supernaturally, not by Heterosexual Body Birth. Is the clue in the verse that God took a rib from Adam and made Eve, a female clone of Adam, Is this how they became Soul Mates? Does this sound like High Tech Science reproduction of Humans?

After that, the Perfect Humans began reproducing by Heterosexual Body Birth, that caused Death, and with Flesh Lusts to Live in, Division, Disease, Competition for Daily Needs, Materialism, Haves and Havenots, etc. Fallen Life still goes on.

What better reason than Body Birth to explain all the Inequality and Inhumanity, Miss-bred Bodies, and the Hate that made Nuclear Bombs, that cover our Home Spaceship Planet?

What better reason for the Fall, than Body Birth. High Tech Science Pure-bred Asexual Human Birth Caretakers, did become the Heterosexual Body Birth Human Killers?

What will it take for Fallen Man to Unite and Share the Resources of Earth with their Brothers/Sisters of LIFE? What will it take for Fallen Man to Unite and take Care of their Eco System of LIFE?

The End Times Nuclear Bomb 'Arm'ageddon, is set up on Earth by Hate of our Brothers/Sisters of LIFE. What happened to the Love that Jesus taught to Love GOD/LIFE and Love you Brothers/Sisters as yourself? Who Follows Jesus?

Is what we have done to ruin our Spaceship Home, the proof that Jesus, nor any religious God, has not mattered to anyone, to Follow the rule not to Kill, not even Christians who call Jesus the Prince of Peace? Who follows Peace on Earth? Who follows the Equal Sharing of the resources like Jesus taught?

Life is for the Living, not the Dead. With High Tech Science Pure-bred Physical Life there is Eternal Pure-bred Asexual Physical Life After Birth. Is there Life as we know it After Death?

United We Live - Divided We Die.

Peace and Jesus' Asexual Agape Love to All.

Norrie Hoyt:

I'm not familiar with the Cathars but I can't help but notice from your writing that they were wiped out many years ago due to not supporting Yahweh. The question then arises: is there an organization (or organizations?) that refuses to let people have an open mind and intellectual debate on matters of religion? It almost seems like the so-called "Christian right" and Islam are about in that mode now. And would these organizations be only a modern day version of those that wiped out the Cathars? Or is there yet another organization that manipulates peoples with similar minds to the 'christian right' and muslims? There are so many questions that it would almost seem there must be some unseen force that keeps thoughts channeled in one basic direction.

STAN,

On December 12th you asked:

*Could there be a God of the Universe and a subordinate God of Earth?*

Interestingly, there was a group who believed exactly that. The Cathers, a noble people who called themselves *good Christians,* were exterminated in southern France by the Romish Pope and the King of France in the 9th century. The Cathars believed that Yahweh, the god of the Old Testament, was not the ultimate Godhead, commonly known as *God*.*** The Cathars believed that Yahweh was a lesser divinity created by God, and that Yahweh was delusional in regarding himself as the ultimate Godhead. *** Yahweh had the power to create the earth, and he did, but he had no morals and was essentially evil. The Cathars called Yahweh *the Ignorant Demiurge.* Considering how Yahweh disported himself in the Old Testament, who could disagree with the Cathars? Yahweh was a very nasty piece of work.

Jon.
Happy Christmas to you and yours.

Happy Christmas to All that comment on this blog and to All that read this blog.

Jesus' Peace.

In 'TIME' Magazine, November 13, 2006, is an article "God vs. Science", with opinions from Francis Collins a scientist and a Christian, and Richard Dawkins, a scientist and an Atheist.

Collins: For you to argue that our noblest acts are a misfiring of Darwinian behavior does not do justice to the sense we all have about the absolutes that are involved here of good and evil. Evolution may explain some features of the moral law, but it can't explain why it should have any real significance. If it is solely an evolutionary convenience, there is really no such things as good or evil. But for me, it is much more than that. The moral law is a reason to think of God as plausible - not just a God who sets the universe in motion but a God who cares about human beings, because we seem uniquely amongst creatures on the planet to have this far-developed sense of morality. What you've said implies that outside of the human mind, tuned by evolutionary processes, good and evil have no meaning. Do you agree with that?"

Dawkins: Even the question you're asking has no meaning to me. Good and evil - I don't believe that there is hanging out there, anywhere, something called good and something called evil. I think that there are good things and bad things that happen."

Collins: I think that is a fundamental difference between us. I'm glad we identified it."

It is Time for Fallen Man to understand the fundamental difference between the Good and Evil of the Tree of 'Life'. What did Man fall from? Higher 'Beings' to Lower 'Beings'?

Good, is High Tech Science Pure-bred Asexual Physical Reproduction of Higher Human 'Beings', that are Equal Caretakers of 'Life' on a planet and in spaceships.

Evil, is Heterosexual Mis-bred Physical Reproduction of Lower Human 'Beings', that are Unequal Killers of 'Life' on a planet.

Humans 'fell' from the Higher Nature to the Lower Nature of reproduciton. This was the Original Sin of the Perfect humans 'in the beginning'.

It seems to me, as we observe our Unbalanced High Tech Science, pollution and all the war and misery on Earth, that Lower Human Beings destroy their planet and all 'Life' on it, before they can get very far out into space. It is built into the Fallen Nature.

Now can we accept/believe there is "'Eternal' Pure-bred' Asexual Physical 'Life' on planets and in spaceships, for Human 'Beings' After Birth, instead of believing in 'Life?' After Death?

Eternal Life is for the Living, not the Dead.

Peace and Jesus' Asexual Agape Love.

God is not the problem; the problem is the way the world has allowed God to be defined and the limited capacity of humans to think and understand.

Why has it never been assumed that unscruplous persons would define God and any messengers to and for their own benefit?

When stuff is patently absurd why do people believe it? Doesn't say much for the human brain.

We have a fellow taking about wanting to run for president, and be in charge of our country when he apparently believes and acts on the ridiculous stuff in the Book of Mormon. What is worse, we have some organization from somewhere that seems to be trying to sell him to the people. At least the Romans had many gods and included a monument to an 'unknown god' in case they missed one.

Religion of some sort was the moral center of all countries in the past. In the present, people are trying to make religion and government separate. What will be the result? A few countries have tried it, but so far none have the "Commonism' that Jesus taught.

True Commonism does away with a monetary basis and All thing are Shared Equally, as Life on a spaceship is Shared Equally.

"The God Delusion" By Richard Dawkins: "Religious Education As A Part of Literary Culture" - "Let me not labour the point, I have probably said enough to convince at least my older readers that an atheistic world-view provides no justification for cutting the Bible, and other sacred books, out of our education - we can give up belief in God while not losing touch with a treasured heritage.

"Does religion fill a much needed gap? It is often said that there is a Godo-shaped gap in the brain which needs to be filled; - and athe need has to be satisfied whether God really exists or not. -

"But could it be that God clutters up a gap that we'd be better off filling with something else? Science perhaps? Art? Human firendship? Humanism? Love of this life in the real world, giving no credence to other lives beyond the grave?

"Historically, religion aspired to 'explain' our own existence and the nature of the universe in which we find ourselves. In this role it is now completely superseded by science. -

"Polls suggest that approximately 95 percent of the population of the United States believe theey will survive their own death. I can't help wondering how many people who claim such belief really, in their hearts, hold it. -

"If the demise of God will leave a gap, different people will fill it in different ways. My way includes a good dose of science, the honest and systematic endeavor to find out the truth about the real world.

"the Mother Of All Burkas" One of the unhappiest spectacles to be seen on our streets today is the image of a woman swathed in shapeless black from head to toe, peering out at our world through a tiny slit. The burka is not just an oppression of women and claustral repression of their liberty and their beauty; not just a token of egregious male cruelty and tragically cowed female submission. I want to use the slit in the veil for something else.'

"Our eyes see the world through a narrow slit in the electro-magnetic spectrum. - "Imagine a gigantic black burka, with a vision slit of approximately the standard width, say about one inch.

"If the length of black cloth above the slit represents the short-wave end of the invisible spectrum, and if the length of black cloth below the slit represents the long wave portion of the invisible spectrum, how long would the burka have to be in order to accomodate a one inch slit to the same scale?

"It is hard to represent it sensibly without invoking togarithmic scales, so huge are the lengths we are dealing with. -

"There is a sense in which we animals have to survive not just in Middle World but in the micro-world of atoms and electrons too. The very nerve impulses with which we do our thinking and our imagining depend upon activites in Micro World. -

"Science flings open the narrow window through which we are accustomed to viewing the spectrum of possibilities that once seemed out of bounds or inhabited by dragons. -

"Could we, by training and practice, emancipate ourselves from Middle World, tear off our black burka, and achieve some sort of intutive - as well as just mathematical understanding of the very small, the very large, and the very fast?

"I gaenuinely don't know the answer. But I am thrilled to be alive at a time when humanity is pushing against the limits of understanding. Even better, we may eventually discover that there are no limits."

Me: We need all the religious books and myth to translate and accept the High Tech Life on planets and in spaceships. Are we ready to be Equal Sharing Brothers/Sisters of Life? Are we ready to accept, the High Tech Pure-bred Asexual Human Physical Life After Birth, like our HTA and Jesus, on planets and in spaceships where there are no limits in Space, as we have on Earth?

Life is for the Living, not the Dead.

Peace and Jesus' Asexual Agape Love.

What can be more Evil than all the nuclear bombs stationed all around our planet?

The USA supposed to be a Christian country, but we have more nuclear weapons than any other country, and is the one super power today.

Is this following Jesus? Jesus said do not carry a weapon and turn the other cheek. Why are we in Iraq? Did God guide Bush to do this?

Has all the Evil in our past been guided by God? Is God a god of Love or War? Why if we are all Children of God on Earth, are there so many starving and homeless people?

Is this how Man serves God? Or does God make all these problems, and war on Earth?

Is it possible that Adam and Eve, who were Perfect or Pure-bred Humans, not reproduced by Body Birth, had all their daily needs because they shared the resources of Earth Equally? Is it possible they could have fallen to Heterosexual Mis-bred Genetic Body Birth?

Is that the story in Genesis? There first child made by Body Birth was a Killer, and Man has reproduced by Body Birth ever since. This resulted in division, disease, greed, inhumanity, inequality, killing, war and death.

Then did the female have to bear the child in pain and be subjected to the male? Then did the male have to take care of the female and the child and have to be in competition for their daily needs?

Is this the story of Adam and Eve in the Bible? Did they eat the apple or have sex and reproduce a child by Body Birth that became a killer because of mis-bred genetics? Is the genetic makeup of a child controlled in High tech Science Birth, and flesh lust of sex, food, drink, drugs, etc. removed? Would this still make a Pure-bred Human?

Today, our High Tech Science, does combine the egg and sperm in a dish, correct some genetic diseases, and put the fetus into the female. Once in awhile the even correct a defect in the woman's womb. This does not require the physical sex act to make a child. Is this an immaculate conception?

As our Science progresses, will we make a High Tech Womb to reproduce perfect people and correct all the genetic mistakes that Body Birth does. Was this how Adam and Eve were reproduced? They were real Humans.

Humans can reproduce by High Tech Science and by Heterosexual Body Birth. GOD does join the seed of Humans in either type of reproduction. High Tech reproduction makes Higher Human 'Beings'. Body Birth makes Lower Human 'Beings'. This is why religion tells about both types of Humans.

The Higher Human 'Beings' that religion calls Gods that looked like Man, and were seen and talked to by many, were our High Tech Ancestors, that had Pure-bred Bodies and Colonized planets.

During the last 100 years we have again 'evolved' up to High Tech Science. Using this information, the Bible, all Scripture and Myth, should be translated, and find out that High Tech Science was on Earth at the Creation/Colonization of Human Life on Earth, and at the Time of the Noah/Atlantis Society.

At the Creation/Colonization, two protective canopies were set up to protect Life as we know it from the ultraviolet rays of the Sun. The Ice-Crystal Canopy and the Ozone Canopy.

The Noah/Atlantis Society also had a High Tech knowledge and Population explosion, for 100 years. With their pollution and High Tech Science weapons, like we have today, they broke the Ice-Crystal Canopy, which caused the Planetary Flood, that destroyed Life on Earth. The Ice is at our poles.

Then Fallen Man had to start over in the Mid-
East and repopulated the Earth as it is today. We also have had a population and High Tech Science explosion for 100 years, from 1900 to 2000, and again are using our High Tech to make weapons of massive destruction. Our pollution and nuclear waste are breaking the Ozone Canopy and then Life as we know it cannot continue on Earth.

Earth is a spaceship and Humans are the Crew. How could this Fallen Lifestyle on Earth live in a spaceship for long trips? Be celibate and Share all things? We are just about to ruin our planet, and without our Ozone Canopy, Life as we know it cannot exist.

Why is Man on Earth divided instead of being United? Because of Original Sin?

The Original Sin of the perfect Human Beings that began on Earth was Heterosexual Body Birth, that made all the genetic defects that caused Humans to have to be in competition for their daily needs. This led to Killing the Eco System and our Brothers/Sisters of LIFE. Jesus was Asexual and we should be like Jesus.

Before we can Unite all the different religions and governments, we have to know the root cause of our differences, and Unite in Peace not War. We have nuclear bombs, the Abomination of Desolation in the Bible, all over the planet. Are we willing to Kill our Home planet, instead of Uniting and Kill no more?

What happened to Thou Shalt Not Kill? What hapapened to Christians being like Jesus and turning the other cheek? It is Time to open our eyes and see what is happening all over our Planet with our Mis-bred Genetic code. The first step to Uniting is to understand what divided us.

We are back up to the High Tech Science of reproduction, of Asexual reproduction. Our planet is overloaded with people, so all Body reproduction should cease, and all Killing should cease, and the Crew should Share what resources are left, Equally with all passengers, including the animals. We should control the animal reproduction also.

Man was supposed to be the Caretaker of the Eco System and all the Life on the planet. It is time to stop being Unequal Killers, and return to being Equal Asexual Caretakers.

Peace and Jesus' Asexual Agape Love.

Could there be a God of the Universe and a subordinate God of Earth?

If the flood fails then the whole Pentatuach attributed to Moses fails.

Could it be that someone was given extraordinary insight into the world but felt compelled to embellish the understanding to help ordinary people grasp what was being conveyed?

It would seem observeable that humans, collectively, won't tolerate not having God; then it is fairly easy to see how once this was recognized that it was used to manipulate and control people. Then all you have to do is recognize that each of the various religions and books were originated for a political purpose of controlling people.

'Evolution of species by natural selection' should be recognized as "without redeeming social value"! But creation in six days and nights has served its purpose and it is time for the world to move along to a more workable understanding of the earth and the observable universe.

The concept of good and evil certainly seems good for humanity but if and when evil gets in control is when the world has problems and is hard to root it out. It also seems observeable that evil tends to prevail without active and strong resistance from good.

Dear Tammy,

At the risk of offending you, the word, "convinced" could be substituted by "brainwashed" and it wouldn't change the meaning of your post.

I was once "convinced" as well, until I realized that there is an overwhelming amount of evidence against evolution, and not an ounce towards it. There are an infinite number of lies and misconceptions surrounding evolution, but not a single one proves the theory, and most create more questions than they answer.

Evolution breeds disobedience in the 2nd commandment; where-as Adam and Eve were tricked into believing they could become gods, people of the modern day have been tricked into thinking there is no such thing as God, so we are as close to gods as anyone can get. Whether you believe you can be like God, or that you are as close to a god as anyone can get, either is just as serious of a graven image and is punishable under God's perfect holiness.

When you stand in awe of the vast amount of evidence we have towards Creation and the lack towards evolution, it is impossible to think that there is no Creator. The vast amount of evidence we have is based on our finitely small understanding of the Universe, imagine how much more there is yet to discover!

Anyways, so this doesn't get too long, you said that Evolution is largely speculation, I'd like to correct you to say it is ALL speculation. It is not science, because science is testable, repeatable, and observable; evolution is none of those things.

Perhaps in the 99.9999% of things we don't know there is an evidence for evolution, but at current, in the 0.000001% we do know, there is ample evidence for a Creation. I'm all about logic, and it's only logical to say that an infallible, inerrant Book, coupled with a gloriously and impecible Creation, and the complete lack of infallible opposition, that the logical thing to do is acknowledge the God of the Universe and find out what He wants from you.

Ga_Atheist.

I missed your post about Everest on Dec. 11. When the Planetary Noah/Atlantis Flood is accepted, it will prove it was a Planetary Flood that lasted over 1 year. It can be proved that the land was flat over much of the planet, and during the Flood, the earthquake activity did make mountains and the remains of the Ocean did go up with the rising land.

This type of debris is all over the planet not just on Everest. As the waters of the Flood went down the Tidal Wave Action did set down a new top strata, that we are digging in. There is megalithic remains all around the Earth from the High Tech Society before the Flood.

Religion, other writings and myth, are all about physical Life on Earth. And about High Tech Humans that Colonize planets, and fly in spaceships.

Translating the Bible with High Tech Science will give the record of Life on Earth from the Creation, to the Flood, to the Judgement Day.

I cover it all on my web site.

Peace.

The High Tech Science Colonization is the Intelligent Design Creation, of our High Tech Ancestors (HTA), and that is how Earth was Colonized 'in the beginning'.

Peace.

Our scientists are up to the knowledge of Colonizing a planet. Why not look at the possibilities that Earth was Colonized by Humans like we are? The 6 Days Space time is 1000 years Earth time.

A thousand years is as a Day with the Lord/Human Beings. Life may have evolved in Space, but Life on Earth was Colonized by High Tech Science. Supernatural in the Bible is the 'super'natural of High Tech Science.

The supernatural Man Gods, in religion that rode in fiery chariots, (spaceship) and sat on thrones up in the air (flying saucers) did Colonize Life on Earth with High Tech Science, and are our High Tech Science Ancestors. We are in their image. They are the Man Gods and Angels in the Bible.

If they evolved up to High Tech Science somewhere in space, or how they were created, may be know when they return at Judgement Day with Jesus, to save those that remain before we destroy our planet with our pollution on land, sea, and in the atmosphere.

With all our nuclear bombs around the Earth, we are set up for the last days 'Arm'ageddon, and the Abomination of Desolation, the nuclear bomb, is setting in Israel also. What happened to the teachings of Jesus, not to carry a weapon, and turn the other cheek? Why do Christians go to war and Kill?

Why does the USA, usually called a Christian country, have the most nuclear weapons and are the Super Power of the End Times?

So, most of the prophecy about the End Times of Life on earth is happening today. In the past there were also fears of the End Times, but they never had the High Tech Science Destruction of the Nulear Bomb, and the nuclear waste all over our planet Home, that will kill our Eco System.

When we break the Ozone layer, the ultraviolet rays of the sun, will destroy Life as we know it.
So I say the End Time destruction of Earth is here, and Man is destroying it, not GOD.

My web site for more details:
http://home.kc.rr.com/hightech/home.html

Maybe thus works:
That this conversation persists is insulting my f___ing intelligence. I hope Meacham reads this chat - do you see what you perpetuate - you coward and fool! You would force your children into this lunacy - you evil bastard. We are truly f__ked.

I thought I was clear:
CANYON SHEARER IS A LUNATIC MORON WITH A LESS THAN 5th GRADE EDUCATION. HE IS MAKING DUMB-DUMB POINTS THAT A CHILD COULD REFUTE.

Is our country really this stupid?

PLEASE TAKE BIOLGY! PLEASE LEARN PHYSICS!!

Enough.

You let his lunacy through and you edit me? Yeah, this is a free press.

Hi again, Canyon-We must have been typing at the same time...
As I understand it, evolution can't be broken down quite as simplistically as all that. I haven't seen where proponents of evolution are saying "in the beginning..." anything; so far it's all speculation. Noone is saying they know exactly what caused the Big Bang, but they're piecing together evidence as it comes in, that's all.
Isn't there even the possibility that the universe has always been, and that the bang is actually more like the beginning of this incarnation(for lack of a better word) of what we know as the universe? And by possibility, all I mean is that people who are phenominally good at math just haven't been able to rule it out yet, given the known laws of nature and the amount of matter, etc.
Well, sorry-I want a simple answer as bad as anyone, but so far that's the best I've come up with. My majors were English & a language, so again, I admit, I don't know much.

Dear Canyon, as long as we both agree that we know nothing, then we are cool.
I had no specific findings in mind when I wrote that post, but I 've been convinced by the numbers of creatures whose remains have been found in the earth that it is much more likely that we(with the cosmos)have evolved imperceptably slowly over the vastness of time than any of the explanations given in any religious texts I've read.
I've thought that these guys arguing with you have done a good job bringing up evidence in support of evolution and that you've just rejected most of it.
There's a really neat online interactive documentary called "Becoming Human"; I don't spend a lot of time in front of the computer so I haven't checked out everything they have in there, but it's worth looking at, especially if you're not a paleontologist or archeologist. I'm just amazed at what they know, but I'm like you, Canyon; I'm just beginning to learn this stuff.

Stan, you bring up a good point which hasn't been discussed yet.

Intelligent Design is a weird religion which popped up after Evolution. Intelligent Design falls between Evolution and Creationism. I am an ardent Creationist and I dislike ID even more than evolution.

Evolution says that death caused man.
Creationism says that man caused death.
ID says that death caused man caused death.

Creationism says that in the beginning God...
Evolution says that in the beginning dirt...
ID says that in the beginning God made in the beginning dirt...

Creationism says that Dogs produce Dogs.
Evolution says that Dogs produce Monkeys.
ID says that God makes Dogs produce Monkeys.

Creationism says Love thy Neighbor
Evolution says Kill Your Neighbor, take his food, and marry his wife if it will cause the next great evolutionary leap or ensure the survival of the species.
ID says to Love thy Neighbor, find another way to evolve.

ID is a poor attempt to compromise between the other two world views. It wasn't a terrible attempt, considering the differences in the two, it did as well as any religion possibly could, but ID should be abandoned in full, before evolution even!

Why is the concept of "design evolution" with 'block' or 'model' changes over time not readily accepted by 'scientists' for living things on earth? It would appear to fit with the physical evidence as well as compatible with the Genesis concept except for the time span. But it does require the acceptance of some type of intelligence with the capacity to plan and make changes. The concept could even apply to the earth itself.

Some of this stuff reminds of a professor adamantly stating what some drunk poet meant or had in mind when he wrote a poem many years ago.

Also, why do people think they are so accurate when projecting back in time? Isn't it still a projection? but one which is hard to disprove?

It looks like we come full circle to 'religion' being a political system to control people.

Hi Tammy, thanks for the post. I have become bored and agitated with our agnostic friend from Georgia, he is blinded by faith and refuses to see that. As you said, there probably are people that have not solidified their world-view or hardened their hearts that are reading this, which is why I continue to respond to him. Plus it is interesting and informative to hear his arguments. I knew that there was a previously disproved notion that Mt. Everest was growing, but I did not know that they have since placed GPS units on its summit, that is new to me and some science I will enjoy following up on.

I know that the nickname he has earned is crude, it was actually an accident the first time when I type Athinkist, subconsciously, but after I broke the ice, I figure there is no reason to turn back now.

I am sorry if I have come across as thinking I know everything. I am a believer in the school of thought that, "True knowledge is admitting that you know nothing." I know that I know very little of anything, my miniscule degrees prove I know things about electronics and management, but they have little to do with geology, paleontology, chemisty, physics, and especially biology, which makes those things a hobby for me. Knowing that I know nothing, it surprises me how easy it is to refute the evidences provided by evolutionists.

I wish I had pursued a psychology degree instead of a minor, as I would be extremely interested in examining the types, effectiveness, and deprogramming of various brain-washing techniques, as I see at least three being used in the religion of evolution. I wish I was qualified to research and publish an article on my opinion and/or science of the matter.

Anyways, what I originally meant to ask you was which scientific findings of late are solidifying your faith in whatever you believe? I am always interested in learning of new scientific discoveries.

By the way, none of this has anything to do with John Meachum's horribly defeatist-sounding essay. I'm so glad noone pulled that stuff on me when I was a kid; this way I get to take all the credit for my own moral decisions.

Canyon Shearer, you sound like you know what you're talking about and you're a pretty lucid writer. If I didn't know better, I might be drawn into your way of thinking, as opposed to people you claim haven't proved evolution yet.
A lot of people may be reading this who really haven't yet put the time that you or the GA Atheist have into your worldviews and may be reading these posts as like a starting point, you know to figure out what to read next.
It bothers me I guess, because most of us will admit that there's much we don't know, yet you already know everything. I won't try to argue about books with you, because I'm pretty sure we have little reading in common.
I'm also sick of your crude little nicknames for people, and that's about all I'll be able to share with you, I'm afraid.
GA Atheist, I meant hope for humanity in general, and thanks for the geology stuff.

GAy_Atheist,

Your "expert" lost credibility quick when you said he's in charge of radiometric dating, one of the least accurate dating techniques.

Here are the dating checks, showing errors of 19.5Million years, 3.2Billion years, 2.8Millions years:
answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i2/dating.asp
answersingenesis.org/docs2002/carbon_dating.asp
icr.org/index.php?module=research&action=index&page=researchp_as_r01
answersingenesis.org/creation/v22/i1/dating.asp
answersingenesis.org/creation/v17/i3/pigs.asp
I'm posting these websites because they are trustable and I don't care if GAy_Atheist reads them or not, they're there for interested parties.

Imagine you ask me how far it is from New York to Los Angeles. I say, "It is 4.6 Billion sticks." You say? What kind of stick? What length? I say, "Whatever length of stick takes for 4.6 Billion of them to reach Los Angeles." That is not science, but it does resemble the pseudoscientific Radio-type dating methods!

The truth is, unfortunately there are no dating methods which are accurate if the specimine gets wet, dirty, or otherwise contaminated...which in 6,600 years there has been lots of time for that to happen, not to mention if somehow magically evolutionists are right and the earth is a Gazillion years old.
answersingenesis.org/creation/v24/i4/radiometric.asp

As for Paleosols, I hate talking about geology, there is nothing more boring. Paleosols offer no proof for slow deposits, and they are difficult to explain for Creation Science, Ken Ham has done a good job, but geology makes my head hurt.
answersingenesis.org/tj/v17/i3/paleosols.asp

If there were a flood, what would we see? Millions of dead things buried in rock layers all over the Earth? Nope, don't see that...

Your post on coal sounds like, "If I put enough big words in here, it will have to sound like it's true." However it has one super-religious element:
"Moreover, given the strong EVIDENCE for autochthony and the slow pace of peat accumulation even under near ideal conditions" It is so convenient that they forgot to give it to us? Just another brain washing technique.

You believe that Everest is growing? That is a factual error, it came from the first time it was measured(with protractor and microscope), they found one height, then fifty or so years later they measured it again and found a difference of about fifteen feet. Then they measured it again and found that it had grown another 13 feet. The truth behind those measurements? The first time the protractor had a large error, the third time? This makes me laugh every time...the third time the height was measured(I believe with a GPS unit)...hahaha...Everest was covered in snow!

There is an idea that Everest is growing at 4mm a year based on a GPS unit now left on top of the mountain...but they started that in 2005, which means 8mm have supposedly happened...you, professing to know anything about science know that those numbers could be from satellite drift, equipment malfunction in the cold, or perhaps the mountain truly is rising. However, at least another 10 years are necessary to be sure, with at least two more GPS units using separate satellites. That's science. Not saying, "Everest is growing 6 inches a year!" Have you even looked into the "Evolutionist" age of Everest? It has nothing to do with 60,000 years, so if your theory is right(it's not) then the mountain must have actually sped up in recent years! Please pay more attention to science.

So I guess you've completely given up on a proof for evolution?

You know what I want for Christmas? I want you to say, "I still don't believe in God, or Creation, but I realize Evolution is a religion which requires blind-faith and it probably doesn't happen."

That would be the logical thing to do in your situation where you have been beaten so soundly.

Tammy, welcome to the conversation. You said, "...who's not been paying much attention to scientific findings of late."

Care to share?