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Terra Gazelle:

Speaking of crazies, how crazy is it to consecrate wine changing it into the precious blood of the Savior in a chalice made of looted gold? Nah, that's not crazy for God forgives sins -can be explained somehow.

How crazy is sacrificing the "son of God" expecting God to be happy? How crazy is it to "sacrifice the son of God" on an altar made of looted gold? Nah, that's not crazy -can be explained somehow.

Here's crazy for ya, http://www.hoax-buster.org/sellyoursoul Now that's real crazy, the work of a lunatic or at least one surely destined for hell. How do we know that, he's going to hell?

But of course, those who consecrate the wine turning it into the precious Savior's blood in a chalice made of looted gold and on an altar made of looted gold, the better class of people say he's crazy. What do you need anyhow, an expert opinion?

Now who does all that sacrificing the son of God make happy, God or Devil. Ask yourself a couple of very simple questions: Would you be happy if your son was sacrificed? Would you be happy if your mortal enemies son was sacrificed?

Makes a lot more sense to sacrifice Jesus when we realize Jesus was the son of the being in the burning bush provided that being was NOT God. And it's even better if that being was Lucifer, God's mortal enemy, the angel that would throw God out and make Himself "like unto God."

Yep, the crazies are all about us and, like you said they have shown up in force. Crazy may be relative. Don't you think?

And you too are here Terra Gazelle so there is now a full set.

The crazies are out in force.

terra

For John Esposito only,

Islam's problems go way beyond the problems with Islamic laws. The major problems are with the basic foundations of Islam i.e.

1. Belief in "pretty/ugly wingie thingies".

2. Belief that an hallucinating, illiterate Arab did actually talk to the "pretty Gabriel" in the hot "Gabe" cave and therein received the warmongering and anti-female words and resultant laws now listed in the koran.

3. That Sunnis are superior to Shiites in all aspects of life. And Shiites think the same way about Sunnis.

4. That Islam is perfect and the koran inherently condones no sin even though the 24/7, 800 year-old blood feud between Sunnis and Shiites gives significant credence that greed, hate, suicides, assassinations, maiming, and murder are condoned by the koran. Having multiple wives also gives significant credence to the sins of rape, adultery, lust and polygamy. The condoned treatment of these wives gives credence that the koran allows the sins of hatred, anger and greed.
These are tough issues. Address them, correct them then ask again to be allowed into the civil world!!!!!

And accusing someone of spreading hate and lies does not work when these "someones" are simply listing the facts about said flaws. If you have counter points about your beliefs then list them. Hiding behind imams and clerics blinded by 1400 years of brainwashing serves no purpose other than to secure a dishonest living for said imams and clerics.

Those who allege that John Esposito is uncritical of Saudis might do well to read the archive of his comments on this website and that of his center. It did not take much effort to find the article below.

Sudan and Saudi Arabia: Who Speaks for Islam?
Nov-30-07 02:31 pm

by John L. Esposito and John O. Voll

In a world in which Islamophobes blur the distinction between the barbaric acts of Muslim extremists and terrorists and the religion of Islam, two recent legal decisions in Sudan and Saudi Arabia will reinforce accusations that Islam is an intolerant religion.

After years of civil war and bloodshed and having failed to effectively respond to what some describe as genocide in Darfur, Sudan’s government and judiciary have captured global attention with an outrageous verdict of guilt for a British school teacher for allegedly insulting Islam.

In a case in which it is clear that Gillian Gibbons did not intend to malign the Prophet Muhammad and that the children in her class had chosen the name Muhammad for their class teddy-bear, some might still question why she was not more culturally sensitive to a potential backlash. That said, school officials or the courts could have asked her to apologize for an inadvertent “mistake” in judgment. But instead, Gibbons who had made the decision and sacrifice to teach in Sudan, was found guilty of ‘insulting religion,’ a victim to a court’s distorted notion of Islamic law and justice.

The Sudanese case came on the heels of a recent decision by a Saudi Arabian court that sentenced a 19-year-old rape victim to 200 lashes and six months in prison. Instead of being appalled at the rape, the gang rape of a woman, a Justice Ministry statement is reported to have declared that the woman invited the sexual attack by seven men because she was in a parked car with a man who was not a relative.

At a time when Islam is under siege from Muslim extremists and extremists from the Far Right in Europe and America, the judiciaries of Sudan and Saudi Arabia have managed to reinforce the vilification of Islam and used Islamic law as a weapon rather than a yardstick for justice. All our futures depend upon an ability to agree upon a global ethic, based upon mutual understanding and respect, that transcends our religious and cultural differences. Whatever our differences, there can never be an acceptable excuse for injustice and intolerance in the name of our religions.

True, but until the Georgetown Center for Muslim Christian understanding that pays your salary (via Saudi money) starts asking the Saudis to respect the rights of the 900 thousand Christian Filipinos workers in their midst, I wouldn't talk too much about separation of state and church.

Seems too much like the pot calling the kettle black.