“Sexual preferences” is simply contemporary code for lesbianism and homosexuality. The question is not asking, for example, about the “sexual preferences” of clergy who choose or are chosen for celibacy which is, after all, a “sexual preference” or, better, a...
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The sacred assignment of a true religious teacher is to tell, tell, and tell. True Christians leader are to follow Jesus’ example and tell the truth regarding Jehovah God’s purpose and standards.
1Peter 2: 21-22: “In fact, to this [course] YOU were called, because even Christ suffered for YOU, leaving YOU a model for YOU to follow his steps closely. He committed no sin, nor was deception found in his mouth.”
Jesus denounced the religious leaders of his day because they were hypocrites and failed to live up to their role as true religious leaders.
John 8:44-47: “ YOU are from YOUR father the Devil, and YOU wish to do the desires of YOUR father. That one was a manslayer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of [the lie]. Because I, on the other hand, tell the truth, YOU do not believe me. Who of YOU convicts me of sin? If I speak truth, why is it YOU do not believe me? He that is from God listens to the sayings of God. This is why YOU do not listen, because YOU are not from God.”
In favor of popular morality, many churches have changed their message. Priests and preachers have given up teaching that God requires obedience. Instead, many teach that each individual must decide for himself what is right and what is wrong. Trying to gain popularity, some religious leaders claim that God accepts you no matter how you live. Such teaching calls to mind what the Bible foretold: “There will be a period of time when they will not put up with the healthful teaching, but, in accord with their own desires, they will accumulate teachers for themselves to have their ears tickled.”—2 Timothy 4:3
What does the Bible teach? It plainly states: “Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men . . . will inherit God’s kingdom.” (1 Corinthians 6:9, 10)
These religious frauds are also described as “false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ.” The Bible goes on to say: “Their end shall be according to their works.” (2 Corinthians 11:13-15)
Their works include “loose conduct,” which is a brazen disregard for high moral principles. (2 Peter 2:1-3, 12-14)
An increasing number of religious leaders and their followers adopt—or at least condone—unchristian practices, such as homosexuality and sex outside of marriage. Please take a moment to compare these widely accepted views and lifestyles with what the Bible states at Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:26, 27; 1 Corinthians 6:9, 10; Hebrews 13:4; and Jude 7.
Christians should heed the apostle John’s words not to take our religious beliefs lightly or for granted. “Do not believe every inspired expression,” he warns, “but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God, because many false prophets have gone forth into the world.”—1 John 4:1.
Genuine Christians are not influenced by the ebb and flow of popular views but cling firmly to Bible truth. Wrote the apostle Paul: “This is what I continue praying, that your love may abound yet more and more with accurate knowledge and full discernment.”—Philippians 1:9.
July 10, 2008 11:17 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 10, 2008 11:17
REMEMBER: Voting for HilLlary Clinton, is same as re-Voting for Prez B. Clinton.
This is 'illegal' , aka PROXY President by Nepotism! Presidential 'Term-Limits' are being violated. Do not be Stupid! The Communist have infiltrated Sweet Sweet U.S.A's Government of 'THE PEOPLE!
So, Please do not vote for 'Hillary & Bill Clinton! Thank You!
IMPORTANT , Sweet Sweet America:
A Russian Communist Conspiracy in Sweet Sweet America "i" now EXPOSED!
HARK Humates of America!:
BEWARE:
Senator 'Chuck Schumer' (of N.Y., a 'Senior Senator) is been "BRIBED' by the RUSSIAN-INTERNATIONAL-MAFIA! Example:
He, Mr. Schumer et al, via "L*U*K OIL" got money from them, (via ex-'GETTY gas station(s) moguls, now turned "Russian Mafia Government Front" as Owners in America. Please call FBI & CIA!] and of Which "Chucky-Boy' Senator SCHUMER promoted , knowingly in such a great 'COMMY' Conspiracy!
Forgive me, but it is true!!!!!!!!!!
ATT: You get pais per "CLICK' , then pay 'US' [free Spirited Bloggers] for Stealing OUR ideas/Writings!
Note: You must Post [ALL & not SENSORED] or repost {hours of WORK (free, but NO more!) thinking & typing) what You-Failed to post. There was No Cuseses. Everything was acoording to 'YOUR' rules, not mine.
Yes, 34,000 people a year in AMERICA , the sweet, comit Suicide. So Better they Volunteer for Army & die Protecting the great REPUBLIC & FEDERATION of "Space-Ship" Planet EARTH against SuperStupidStitious Pre-Apocalyptic BIBLIO, QURANO, GEETAO, MANIACS.
WE "i"nellegent "i"ntellectuals "i"ndividuals. aka, HUMATES (not Humans, as JOKTANIAN, not PELEGIAN,Sporades (Wom) & Mavorites (Man)) Live on space-Ship Earth! aka S.S. GAIA, S.S. GEOID, S.S. TELLUSng Something instead!!
So please post ALL that you have sieved/selected & sensored! Not jus "i", but many many Bloggers!
NOTICE: "NEWS-WEEK" & WASHINGTON POST & CO, et al,;
IT is about your ten 'FACE's. not about our one honest Face's!
You will be sued , in 'Class' like, in Federal Court very very Soon!
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VOTE:
'NO' to News-Papers Company's owning {your Kids minds future & yours too] against them owning T.V Stations & Satellite Station!
SAY: 'NO' , via F.C.C., to News Paper Company's! 'NO' Broad Casting! Say or Vote, No!
And, Say 'NO' to allowing Religious Satellite Televangelical(s) to broadcast their 'EVIL' Anti-Society Story's & Behavior's too!
Thanks, Eclati-On (nevr Off's) American Mon's & Monsa's!
Take Back your almost Hijacked Nation! Take back Sweet sweet America! Now!
< ?: +)/ Ya Ya!
December 16, 2007 10:20 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 16, 2007 10:20
vote: no TO monopoly VIA media & Foerigners Control:
REMEMBER: Voting for HilLlary Clinton, is same as re-Voting for Prez B. Clinton.
This is 'illegal' , aka PROXY President by Nepotism! Presidential 'Term-Limits' are being violated. Do not be Stupid! The Communist have infiltrated Sweet Sweet U.S.A's Government of 'THE PEOPLE!
So, Please do not vote for 'Hillary & Bill Clinton! Thank You!
IMPORTANT , Sweet Sweet America:
A Russian Communist Conspiracy in Sweet Sweet America "i" now EXPOSED!
HARK Humates of America!:
BEWARE:
Senator 'Chuck Schumer' (of N.Y., a 'Senior Senator) is been "BRIBED' by the RUSSIAN-INTERNATIONAL-MAFIA! Example:
He, Mr. Schumer et al, via "L*U*K OIL" got money from them, (via ex-'GETTY gas station(s) moguls, now turned "Russian Mafia Government Front" as Owners in America. Please call FBI & CIA!] and of Which "Chucky-Boy' Senator SCHUMER promoted , knowingly in such a great 'COMMY' Conspiracy!
Forgive me, but it is true!!!!!!!!!!
ATT: You get pais per "CLICK' , then pay 'US' [free Spirited Bloggers] for Stealing OUR ideas/Writings!
Note: You must Post [ALL & not SENSORED] or repost {hours of WORK (free, but NO more!) thinking & typing) what You-Failed to post. There was No Cuseses. Everything was acoording to 'YOUR' rules, not mine.
Yes, 34,000 people a year in AMERICA , the sweet, comit Suicide. So Better they Volunteer for Army & die Protecting the great REPUBLIC & FEDERATION of "Space-Ship" Planet EARTH against SuperStupidStitious Pre-Apocalyptic BIBLIO, QURANO, GEETAO, MANIACS.
WE "i"nellegent "i"ntellectuals "i"ndividuals. aka, HUMATES (not Humans, as JOKTANIAN, not PELEGIAN,Sporades (Wom) & Mavorites (Man)) Live on space-Ship Earth! aka S.S. GAIA, S.S. GEOID, S.S. TELLUSng Something instead!!
So please post ALL that you have sieved/selected & sensored! Not jus "i", but many many Bloggers!
NOTICE: "NEWS-WEEK" & WASHINGTON POST & CO, et al,;
IT is about your ten 'FACE's. not about our one honest Face's!
You will be sued , in 'Class' like, in Federal Court very very Soon!
not just "i" , but to many you say,
"Your comment has been received and held for approval by the blog owner"
"Your comment has been received and held for approval by the blog owner"
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VOTE: Peace Love Rockn Roll nRap , Mitt_ROMNEY for Prez. Save America from Imported Religion(s)!
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Thank You, HUMATE(s)! < ?: +) Ya Ya.
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Behold: Save America from Imported Religion(s)!
Thank You, HUMATE(s)! < ?: +) Ya Ya.
December 16, 2007 12:30 PM | Report Offensive Comments
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When Paul mentioned behavior going against nature he wasn't up to date on science. Some, not all, but some people are born w/certain traits that makes their same-sex preference as natural as the preference of a man joining w/a woman.
There's also the psychological aspect where a young girl is so damaged by an abusive family member she is rendered incapable of having feelings of love or intimacy w/any man & can only find attachment w/another woman.
To deny that person a place in church or in society because of abusive actions which were beyond her ability to prevent would be to victimize her a second time and I'm pretty sure Jesus would not be in agreement w/that...
September 20, 2007 12:01 PM | Report Offensive Comments
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Wel, Huh:
"So stop trying to equate same-sex animal encounters with same-sex human relationships. They are not at all the same."
Maybe it's on you homophobes to stop trying to equate same-sex human relationships with 'animal encounters.'
The validity of same-sex human relationships does *not* rely on the existence of gay animal relationships (some of which are in fact perfectly on the model of your idealized nature except there are same-sex pairings involved, actually.)
The validity of the argument that 'same sex human relationships are an *unnatural choice,*' however, depends on the notion that only humans have same sex sex and/or relationships.
That assertion is entirely falsified by the fact that same sex 'relationships' *do* in fact occur in most species of animals.
Not that it stops people who wish to believe otherwise so they can express religious hate from continuing to *say* it's an 'unnatural invention of human choice.'
You may say that 'Because animals do it doesn't mean it's OK,' but you can't keep saying it's 'unnatural.'
It is.
If your *book* says it's 'unnatural,' well....
Wrong again. Big surprise.
Accept it or not, that's where we stand.
August 30, 2007 4:44 PM | Report Offensive Comments
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To Concerned the Christian Now Liberated and the rest of the world: Actually I believe the bible is inspired because I met God and I have also met satan. The bible and it's simple message has been distorted by plenty of people that doesn't take anything away from the simple message of the bible, it just means it has been distorted by many. And as far as Jehovah being God's Name, that is a scribal error. I AM WHO AM is God's Name or is the close enough english equivalent. Don't worry one day all will know that God is real, that God is a Trinity and that God is Pure Love. Like I have said many times: God is a searcher of hearts and minds, not of religious affiliations or lack thereof. Also God wins, satan loses, a tie is unacceptable, God's Plan is for all of His children and ALL OF HUMANITY are His children. See you in the Kingdom, take care. Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.
August 29, 2007 10:58 AM | Report Offensive Comments
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Godfrey:
Of course you automatically assume I'm Christian, because I don't agree with you. I'm not, I'm simply able to look at things with an open mind. That's right, I said an open mind.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but not all biologists believe the loving, homosexual animal relationship theory. There are homosexual biologists who do, though.
Your quote "This is sheerest speculation, and is not confirmed by observation. Biologists have considered the "any port in a storm" hypothesis, and have discarded it" is misleading and therefore inaccurate. It is not speculation; it is confirmed by observation. If one is simply willing to look, there is more than enough valid, accredited information from many years of studies showing so-called homosexual behavior that is rooted in animalistic showings of dominance, aggression, etc, etc.
It's very easy for people to get the wrong idea about something based on their own pre-conceived notions. Someone sees two male birds going at it and says "aw, look, those two male birds are in love." People are very good at assigning human traits to animals; that's why so many people are killed by wild animals every year. They are wild animals. They don't think and love the way people do, and they don't have loving homosexual and heterosexual experiences. They mate, or breed, or mount for different reasons, and none of them are for love. So stop trying to equate same-sex animal encounters with same-sex human relationships. They are not at all the same.
August 29, 2007 9:57 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on August 29, 2007 09:57
Aguilar is still serving Mass in the Mexican state of Puebla while Cardinals Mahoney and Rivera and the Pope himself look the other way. Christ's only true chruch, indeed.
Letter Roils LA Fugitive Priest Case
By NOAKI SCHWARTZ
The Associated Press
Tuesday, August 28, 2007; 11:55 PM
LOS ANGELES -- An internal letter suggests that a high-ranking official of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles may have known that a priest accused of sexual abuse planned to flee to his native Mexico.
The letter, written by then-Rev. Monsignor Thomas J. Curry in 1988, was filed in Los Angeles Superior Court along with other papers as part of a lawsuit brought by one of Rev. Nicolas Aguilar Rivera's accusers.
In the Jan. 11, 1988, letter, Curry says that he met with Aguilar Rivera to discuss the sexual abuse allegations and that the priest told him he "plans to stay with some family members here and then return to Mexico."
Aguilar Rivera fled to Mexico shortly after Curry wrote the letter and is a fugitive. Officials in Mexico's Puebla state have said they are trying to find the priest, who is charged in California with 19 felony counts of committing lewd acts on a child.
At a news conference, Mary Grant, a spokeswoman for the group Survivor's Network of Those Abused by Priests, called on Los Angeles Cardinal Roger Mahony to suspend Curry for "facilitating" the priest's escape. Curry is now an auxiliary bishop in Los Angeles.
Tod Tamberg, spokesman for the archdiocese, said the group was taking the letter out of context and exaggerating its significance. The priest never indicated to church officials that he planned to flee, he said.
"The conclusions they draw from the information they have is incorrect," Tamberg said. "It's clear what happened _ that Aguilar Rivera fled without telling anybody."
The documents are part of a lawsuit filed by a former altar boy in Mexico who accused Aguilar Rivera of abusing him in 1994. The complaint alleges that Cardinal Norberto Rivera of Mexico City, then a bishop in Mexico's Puebla state, transferred the priest to Los Angeles in 1988 for nine months despite knowing of allegations of abuse against him.
A Los Angeles court gave Mexico extradition orders for Aguilar Rivera in 1988 and 1993, but he continued to work as a priest in Mexico. He disappeared after the lawsuit was filed last year.
August 29, 2007 2:59 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on August 29, 2007 02:59
Oh, so because it is not just Catholics who have pedophiles amongst their clergy makes it OK. Read my post followed by today's article about Aguilar. You think I made this up? The Pope and two of his Cardinals are complicit. Apologize all you want but don't claim to be Christ's only Chruch while participating in these crimes.
August 29, 2007 2:48 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on August 29, 2007 02:48
Thomas Baum,
The key words to your last commentary: "According to the bible original sin was disobedience".
And the rebuttal to this is:
“I believe the Bible is inspired.” “Why?” “Because it says so.” Would your
anyone let that logic pass if it came from the followers of any other book
or person?
“I believe x is inspired because x says so.” Fill in the blanks:
x=Pat Robertson
x=the ayatolloah Sistani (sp?)
x=David Koresh
x=the Koran”
x=Thomas Baum
more “logic”?
“I believe there is One God Jehovah because He is revealed in the infallible
Bible. I believe the Bible is infallible because it is the Word of the One God Jehovah.”
August 28, 2007 8:24 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on August 28, 2007 20:24
Huh:
"Male dolphins will work together in pairs or groups for weeks at a time following and restricting the movements of a female, waiting for her to become sexually receptive. I'm guessing a couple of weeks of 'aroused' male dolphins all swimming together probably leads to all kinds of frenzied activities going on."
This is sheerest speculation, and is not confirmed by observation. Biologists have considered the "any port in a storm" hypothesis, and have discarded it.
"These male dolphins also eventually bond and tend to work together for protection and help in finding females."
No, they don't. They leave females alone. They're homosexual. They do it in each other's blow hole.
"You can interpret these activities the way that you want."
I'm not a biologist. I don't interpret the behavior. You're not a biologist either. I merely report what biologists report. You can find it on the internet.
"I, and many others, do not believe the theory that 2 male black-headed gulls that have sex are involved in a loving, homosexual relationship."
I know. You're a Christian. You believe what you please to believe, assert anything you want to assert, and utterly ignore people who spend their lives observing the phenomena in question. But that doesn't work in the real world. In the real world, you're expected to back up your assertions, and not with quotations from Opus Dei or discredited academics.
August 28, 2007 7:47 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on August 28, 2007 19:47
To Marilyn Taplin and the rest of the world: According to the bible original sin was disobedience, a lot of people really seem to go out of their way to add what they want it to be but it is very clearly and simply said. After I met God, the whole Trinity, I got to wondering why anybody should be afraid of God since at the time I didn't really know what, "Fear of the Lord", meant and so I looked it up in the dictionary and it means, "reverence and awe", it also says in the bible that the "Fear of the Lord" is the beginning of wisdom. If you notice in Sodom and Gomorrah people were forcing themselves on other people most people don't seem to notice that, God doesn't force Himself on us and He doesn't want us forcing ourselves on others. Remember God has a Plan and it is His Plan, one of the ways I like to put it is: Thank you Dad for Your Plan, Thank You Brother for Your Obedience to the Plan and Thank You Knitting Buddy for bringing the Plan to Fruition. Of course it is not to fruition yet but the dawning of the seventh day will arrive. Take care. Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.
August 28, 2007 6:52 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on August 28, 2007 18:52
32 years old, never married, doesn't date, lives with 12 other guys, seems like Jesus was gay to me. Either that or he was seeing Mary Magdalene as the rumors say.
Either way, the Catholic church is screwed!
August 28, 2007 6:41 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on August 28, 2007 18:41
Ashley:
Just because Marilyn doesn't get her freak on like you do doesn't mean she isn't satisfied sexually in her marriage, so stop bashing.
And as to "why sex?", well geez, that just happens to be the topic we're all discussing in this forum.
And your church workshops for terrified couples is a bunch of baloney. The reason more churches are having classes and discussions about marriage and sex is because they have found that more and more members these days are interested in talking about these subjects.
August 28, 2007 5:04 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on August 28, 2007 17:04
Rather than bang my head against the wall of intolerance and religious "superiority," I'll just ponder aloud: of all the myriad problems in this world, why sex? It doesn't matter whether the sex in question is homosexual or heterosexual, we as a society of former Puritans are completely obsessed and backwards in our thinking. Do people like Marilyn work themselves up because they don't get sex in their very strait-laced marriages?
I've read numerous articles talking about how some churches are now being forced to give sex workshops to the married couples in their churches because they've done such a good job condemning sex that their members are terrified to have sex at all, let alone in anything other than the missionary position. There's something fundamentally wrong with this image, because the Bible says sex is good, and the rest of us non-believers have quite cheerfully jumped on that bandwagon ourselves. Let me just say, sex is a beautiful experience and I cannot believe for an instant that my lesbian sister and her girlfriend find their sex life any less beautiful than my husband and I do.
August 28, 2007 4:05 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on August 28, 2007 16:05
BTW, I have jokingly referred to these all-female lizard species as "lizbians".
August 28, 2007 2:24 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on August 28, 2007 14:24
Just one more example on the homosexual animal topic. There are species of lizards here in the United States that are all-female and reproduce parthenogenetically (true virgin births). Before one female ovulates its unfertilized eggs (which will develop into fully functional clones), it engages in pseudo-copulatory behavior with a fellow female, which is very similar to the copulatory behavior that closely related male-and-female species use (what you might call "normal sex"). This pseudocopulatory behavior occurs as the norm in this all-female species and apparently is needed to induce ovulation.
The examples from the animal kingdom (of which humans are a part) are diverse and often outside mere human imagination. Makes it difficult for those who want black and white answers on matters of sex.
August 28, 2007 2:14 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on August 28, 2007 14:14
Godfrey:
Male dolphins will work together in pairs or groups for weeks at a time following and restricting the movements of a female, waiting for her to become sexually receptive. I'm guessing a couple of weeks of "aroused" male dolphins all swimming together probably leads to all kinds of frenzied activities going on. These male dolphins also eventually bond and tend to work together for protection and help in finding females. It doesn't mean they are homosexuals.
You can interpret these activities the way that you want. I, and many others, do not believe the theory that 2 male black-headed gulls that have sex are involved in a loving, homosexual relationship.
August 28, 2007 1:28 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on August 28, 2007 13:28
Mariland, it sounds to me like you've never had a relationship with someone who is gay. If you did, you would understand that they have hopes, dreams and passions like everyone else and that's the key -- they are like everyone else. You would also recognize that it's virtually impossible to shut off their orientation.
My cousin, who is 6 years older than me, has an older brother and a younger sister. Both have families. Dale did not. Dale was gay. I say was because Dale died in 1990 from aides.
Having spent vacations with Dale and lots of family get togethers and picnics, I can tell you that if he could make a choice, he certainly would not have chosen a gay life style. But it's not a choice and only people that have never really had a relationship with a gay person would say it's a choice.
As to the fact that the bible prohibits it -- that's really all the more reason to support it. The bible prohibits working on the Sabbath, stoning your son if they are disobedient, stoning you wife if she has an affair and yet is perfectly silent -- no actually supportive of -- slavery. The bible provides a poor excuse for a moral guideline.
August 28, 2007 1:01 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on August 28, 2007 13:01
Is it not also about the lack of interest in becoming a "clergyperson"? A good example is my Catholic Church. The number of men interested in the priesthood continues to plummet. The standards were therefore lowered, questions were not asked, celibacy was still required, women are still denied their rightful role and we are learning the lessons the hard way to the "tune" of a billion dollars so far.
August 28, 2007 10:43 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on August 28, 2007 10:43
Catholics are not the only ones who have pedophiles or homosexuals or BAD people in their hierarchy. I may not believe that what the Catholic church does is correct - and I do not. I do not believe in their stand on birth control and many other issues. I agree with you that these people should be put away; but to not listen to what someone has to say because you do not agree with an institution's policies may make one miss out on important matters. Not everyone believes everything that their church says or even agrees with it. We have many former Catholics in our church who left the religion for many reasons - but they are open minded enough to listen to leaders of the religion. Sometimes they agree, and sometimes they do not. But just the way that Evangelical pastors who get caught with their pants down are not their Religion - neither is it fair to lump all priests or former priests as bad. Religions and faiths are made up of people after all, and humans are fallible.
August 28, 2007 10:37 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on August 28, 2007 10:37
No Catholic has the right to judge gays as long at the Pope, his Cardinals, Bishops and Priests continue to hide pedophiles in its clergy. Cases in point are Cardinal Mahoney in LA and Cardinal Rivera in Mexico who continue to hide the pervert Priest "Father" Aguilar in the Mexican state of Puebla. The Pope and these two cardinals are acomplices to criminal acts and should be in prison for their outrageous moral and legal crimes.
August 27, 2007 11:10 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on August 27, 2007 23:10
OK, a galah is an Australian parrot. Strange looking thing.
August 27, 2007 10:57 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on August 27, 2007 22:57
Huh and Paganplace:
"Actually, 'Huh,' there are in fact exclusively-homosexual animals in nature. In fact, among animals that bond for life, there are observed animals of the same sex bonding so in the same way."
Not only that. Animals that *don't* bond for life, heterosexually, will do so homosexually. Dolphins for instance, who are absolutely licentous heterosexually, bond for life homosexually. Dolphins, incidentally, are considered to have a 41% incidence of homosexuality, as compared to the puny 4% of human beings. Imagine if we had a 41% incidence. Things would be different, wouldn't they?
Here are some other figures:
Ostriches (both sexes), 1% homosexual.
Female silver gulls, 10% bisexual.
Black headed gulls (both sexes), 22% homosexual.
Galahs (both sexes), 44% homosexual. (Does anyone know what a Galah is?)
Bonobo apes, 100% bisexual.
For more information, see: Bruce Bagemihl, _Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity_ (St. Martins Press), 1999.
Cesar Ades is full of baloney. As Stephen Humphrey of the _Portland Mercury_ puts it, "Ethologist Cesar Ades... postulate[s] that these dirty-minded biologists are, in actuality, simply imagining homosexual behavior in the animal kingdom. In fact, he claims that animals are nothing more than furry robots; slaves to genital odors and nothing more."
Anyone who's ever had a cat or a dog knows better.
Huh said, "There is no physical or psychological pleasure...."
In point of fact, females of certain species (other than human) have been observed to have orgasm. If that isn't pleasure, what is?
As for Simon Levay, this is what I found about him at the Univ. of Mich.: "LeVay is a minor academic who never achieved tenure anywhere, and whose past research has not proven repeatable."
Let's not quote him as a scientist anymore, shall we?
Antonio Pardo: Couldn't find anything by or about him in English, but this is how his university describes itself: "It is a 'corporate work' of apostolate of Opus Dei, a personal prelature of the Catholic Church."
That doesn't sound promising as a source of science.
Charles Socarides: A psychologist, not a biologist, and a fellow with a great big hangup about curing homosexuality. Can't be trusted on whether it's natural, or on any aspect of zoology. Not his field.
August 27, 2007 10:54 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on August 27, 2007 22:54