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"reality" is probably not what we think it is...why
argue forever about beliefs?

when you KNOW - you don't have to believe...anything!

Religion is the great divider of men. His holiness probably realizes that and is trying to offset. Not much chance of success, kinda like Iraq where they can't decide how to divide the oil money among the religions. However will dividing something as juicy as faith money ever be agreed upon, true ecumenical?

It looks like the mafia, families. It acts like the mafia, "offers that can't be refused" your money or hell. And it's a struggle to get to the top, killing is not murder but just business. The killing of the firstborn son of Pharaoh was just business wasn't it? It's the most celebrated "hit" a mafia tactic of all time. Must be the mafia.

The crucifixion is the second most celebrated killing. Who was behind it, God? http://www.hoax-buster.org/sellyoursoul tells us that their soldiers manual, the Bible is actually the word of Devil.

That explains the chaos for hell is a chaotic place. And, it explains the divider quality of religion.

The ones that lead the most to Bible God, Lucifer get the biggest reward here and now, high offices like pope or being declared America's pastor for example. And it goes without saying that Devil is very much in favor of crucifying the son of God. Are you in on that, the crucifixion, beneficiary? Did Jesus die to save you or are you just making Devil happy by claiming to crucify God? A word to the wise....

I wish to applaud the WP for hosting these thoughtful reflections on religion and faith. The world has tried for centuries to make a distiction between the two without ever succeeding. It is not by chance that avoiding a massive hierarchy the way Islam has generally managed to do throughout the centuries is no guarantee that people will not confuse the two. Faith and religion are two totally different things. Unfortunately one cannot expect a Pope or anyone like Bob Novak to acknowledge that distinction. We will just have to do without them... with regret, mind you! It would be great if they joined the faithful.

You almost make me want to walk back into a palce of worship.Our path to god/allah/ enlightenment or mother earth does not come from going into a lavish building. It is contained within us all,everyday. The buildings are there to help us commune with our fellow man and work together for the common good- intolerance of such perosnal beliefs is counter productive to the meaning of life. Try to help enrich the lives of others in what ever way you can. Simple goal, complicated by pride & arrogance.

Thanks Mo for giving me the standard Islamic position on monotheism and for once again telling me that I've insulted you and Allah. You may be insulted and so is Allah but God is not insulted cause you do not worship the one true God but a false image, called Allah. Let's be clear, we do not worship the same God. This is of no problem until someone of your false religion starts forcing people like me to convert or die. Would you do this Mo or are you a moderate Muslim?

By the way, Mo, you did not answer any of my questions? It would of particular interest to me to know your stance on Jeffersonian values of freedom of speech and religion. Maybe we share or can share some common ground on this? What do you think? Thanks.

monotheism paraphrased.
1-there is one creator for this universe,he all glory goes to him is one not two or three,he is not a fracture either ,those who claim that god head dwelt in his son head or his son head dwelt in the father head and both head came from the womb of the mother of god ???????where people get this nonsense from????but still this is not insult to faith and inteligence????????????.
2-its so sad we human beings are sitting here in 2007 discusing the characteristic of god is he one head or double head ?how big his head ?or the double head ?or three heads?or 1/4 of head ?or god a la cart?by the way they selling the image of god at the K MART ??? IS THIS moderatism or extremeism ?what is more regression than not knowing our creator almighty lord?
3-its not you or me to decide the characteristics of almighty creator lord he decide for himself and we bow our heart and mind to what he say and do.
4-people need to know the diference betwen what is hole-y and what is holy if you realy know the diference you will never ever imagine the one head or the double head or the 3 head or the son head or the father and son head how many head do we have ?or the infallible head ?can,t you smel the human butts!!!
5-the mass golden rule is ,
worship the creator not the creation .insult me as much as you can i,m no more than human being another food eater and bathroom goer,but please do not insult our creator lord .

Mo seems to think the idea of Christ as divine and the trinity represents a "serious insult to the creator lord and serious insult to mankind faith and intelligence."

Mo, we disagree but what you say does not insult me. Why use the word insult when what we have is a disagreement. Mo, I can not feel any remorse for differences on religious matters, especially since you are wrong and I am right :) Further, I firmly believe in Jeffersonian separation of church and state and the free practice of religion. You are free to say what you want and so am I and no one should feel insulted but most of all our free expression of speech is guaranteed by the constitution. Is that possible in an Islamic country, mo? Sadly, the answer is no.

Does this concern you Mo?

Mo, are you a moderate Muslim? What is a moderate Muslim? What do you think about the verses in the Quran about killing unbelievers and does that command from your prophet relate to "serious insult to the creator lord and serious insult to mankind faith and intelligence?" You know just because you say it does not make it so and in fact you are completely confused by a false prophet and a violent ideology.

MO:

Muhammad realized the Bible is tainted but probably didn't know what it's problem was. And he saw how well it worked, in particular the "render to God" part. So he created the Qu'ran that's rebarfed literary barf. If it was a good idea for the Jews and the Christians could horn in on the Jew's business so why not. Now gone too far?

The question you and all Muslims need to answer is will the rest of the world stand by while you wreck the world and do nothing? Your Qu'ran is a hoax of a hoax. Muhammad is straining the scholars to come up with words to describe it.

Which one of that set of interesting people, http://www.hoax-buster.org page 2 "proof" was used as a basis for Ishmael isn't certain. Amenophis III, Abraham no doubt, had one bastard child, "the firstborn son of the Egyptian" that got whacked in the night by an angel, Passover, His queen, Tiye, the virgin Mary had one too, Amenophis IV. Amenophis IV would seem to be the best fit since Tiye, a servant of Abraham left home to bear her. There's probably more hand-in-glove fits. Study that story at hoax buster and watch the Bible magically appear before your very eyes. Then you're just inches away from the Qu'ran.

Good luck establishing the kingdom of God on earth. Don't be surprised if you get a little resistance.

all praise goes to the creator lord of mankind.

jesus son of marry and his mother are desandants of the sons of isreal(jacob),jacob is the son of issac ,issac is the son of abraham,all the chain are on none but pure monotheism ,none of them were jews nor christians.
moses also is from the lineage of jacob,moses was on none but pure monotheism .

deviation from monotheism led to the cult so called jeudo-christianity .

if god incarnate in his son and his son incarnate in his father is an automatic failure, is an automatic delusionism,is serious insult to the creator lord and serious insult to mankind faith and inteligence.

read the long true history of sons of isreal, and mankind period in the last divine revelation the QURAN ,knoweldge and mercey to mankind.

TIM

One must pass three judgments before being allowed into heave. Race is the first judgment. In the beginning only Egyptians were allowed into heaven. Pharaoh was the king of both heaven and earth. Jesus, would-be Pharaoh Amenophis IV changed that with the introduction of baptism. She was crucified for blasphemy and took 3 hours to die on the cross.

See pictures of God at http://www.hoax-buster.org first page, scroll down. While you're there you will also see a 3,000+ year old documentation of judgments 2 - judgment of soul and 3 - "many are called but few are chosen" judgment, the one that quit working on Pharaoh's grand palaces, timeless memorials and magnificent tomb first was shut out, condemned to hell while the one that quit working last still was not guaranteed entry into Pharaoh's next kingdom in the next life. God and God alone shall decide who shall and who shall not be allowed into his kingdom.

The bible is barfed on ancient Egyptian history and not Jewish history as advertised. That makes it a hoax. And it creates incredible problems like what will Biblical archaeologist do to earn a living to say nothing of ministers. There's a shortage of truck drivers but then are they qualified.

A rich atheist realized he was dying. Even though he didn't believe, decided to hedge his bet. He gave $50,000 each to three ministers, a priest, a preacher and a rabbi with a small fee for their efforts. His instructions were that after he was dead he would be cremated and they were to put the money in the fire with him, maybe he could take it with him and use it to pay God's fee at the pearly gates, if there are any pearly gates. Reluctantly the three agreed.

Cremation day came and the three showed up and one by one they eased up to the casket and slipped something into it.

After the burning the three had a conversation. The priest said, "I've got a terribly guilty conscious. I gave $5,000 of the man's money to the missions."

The preacher breathed a sigh of relief and said, "I'm glad I'm not alone. I have a poor congregation and the roof on our small church need replacing. It took $10,000."

The rabbi chuckled softly and then lectured them, "I'm ashamed to be associated with you two. Men of the cloth, God's representatives, vicars." And with that certain look continued, "I wrote him a check for the full amount."

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

The central doctrine of Christianity is that in Christ all the fulness of the Godhead dwelt. Jesus was God incarnate.

Karim, race is not of interest to God or he would not have put all the oil under the sands of the Arabs. This is exceeding unfair if you ask me. God decided to use the Jewish people to reveal his word and himself. Who cares but someone who is hung up on race. Let's see, what else has he given the Jews except the designation of God people so that everyone wants to kill them? Are we to be jealous of the Jews because God chose them to be his messengers? Is this why people have despised them throughout time and all sorts of evil people, like Hitler, have wanted to eliminate the Jews?

I am not a Jew but the flesh is absolutely of no importance to me. Am I going to tell God that I can only except him if he comes to me packaged in my particular white skin from Europe. No, to even bring race into this only tells us something important about you, Karim.

Most heresy has been begun by some form of the denial of the great central truth of the incarnation of the Son of God. This is why you get confused about idolatry and the trinity.

I once heard a Hindu preacher saying that it is strange how every religion except Islam, which does not have an image of God, portray their Gods in the people of their own race. So can a universal God belong to one race, after all the features and color of every different race is unique. If a being from one race becomes God's image isn't it an unfair God who favors one race over the other. I fully agree with the comments of MO and I am more inclined to the no idol religion.

a catholic priest, a protestant minister, a jewish arbbi and an islamic imam meet for the purpose of informing the others how they separate the donations from the faithful and what part goes to god and what goes to things like the building fund or the school.
the catholic said that they draw a circle and toss the money into the air and what falls into the circle belongs to god.
the protestant said that they do the same but when they toss the money into the air, what falls outside the circle belongs to god.
now the jew says that they do something almost the same but without a circle. they toss the money into the air and what god wants he takes and what is left falls to earth.
the islamic says that they do not do anything like that at all. he draws his sword and yells allah akbar and cuts off the heads of the surprised priest, protestant and the jew.
he then steals all the money he can find on them and walks about laughing and says - what i could not find belongs to god, the rest is mine.

"Idolatry is an enemy of compassion, generosity, understanding, and love toward those who are different."

This is not all that bad but it kind of reduces God to a bunch of humanistic values. Let's not forget that idolatry is usually defined as worship of a cult image, or object, as opposed to the worship of a God. Anderson may be guilty of the sin he is worried about as he builds a cult image of God that is called "compassion, generosity, and tolerance." It sounds good to me and I imagine he is a real genuinely compassionate person who just slipped up when he called the Pope and ass.

"These snippets of comment show a wide range of reaction to the significance of the Pope’s pronouncements."

Hum, the only snippet that James Anderson has identified and is verifiable is Robert Novac. And wouldn't you know that the Novac snippet is the only snippet that does not support Anderson own opinion. Would it not be more appropriate to have verifiable sources that support your position? Just a thought.

what is not idols in the churchs of christianity???
1-the so called son of god is idolism .
2-the sacrificial of the so called son of god is paganism.
3-the mother of god is idolism.
4-the trinity is idolism,the father the son and holy ghoast???

they asked the fossil man a long time ago ,how do you imagine god?the fossil man pointed to his mouth and his behinde and said i know god does not have these!!!
its so sad the fossil man in the era of fossilism have better sense .

jesus is mankind he came from the womb of woman kind both him and his mother are food eaters .

it is serious crime against almighty creator god to ascribe an earthly son to .
god is the almighty creator lord of mankind he is not the father of mankind.
the father of mankind is adam and eve.marry and her son jesus are mankind from the lineage of adam and eve the mankind,mortals sons of mortals.
whether jesus the messiah is live and will come back that doesnot make him immortal nor the savior nor the lord of mankind .he is mortal because he was none until the creator almighty lord created him in his mother womb and befor that created his mother period and mankind period from adam and eve till the last day .jesus and his mother are test and trial to mankind ,what is the name of the test?how much people thru the history of mankind were misled and misguided by idolism?is idolism limited to rocks and stones ?
the path to god almighty need purgation and negation of any form of idolism,that is pure monotheism.

The point is that the Easter Bunny has nothing to do with the resurrection of Jesus Christ and is, in Christian observance, error. Christ told his followers to remember His death (Passover)..there is nothing in scripture that instructs followers to worship the sunrise. Better to have a 'Bunny Day' holiday apart from any religion than to tie in the practice with Christianity. The above are just but some of the basic reasons why there is so much religous confusion today in Christiandom.

The only "ass" I see on these boards is the Episcopalian who wrote this "essay."

His previous essays are equally unthoughtful and trite complaints of a disaffected denomination.

Well, What, the Easter Bunny is a Germanic folk custom that was syncretized to Easter, losing much of its meaning over time. To be fair, they don't teach the Easter Bunny as a religious matter.

Contrary to what some might tell you, Christian religion isn't the source of all our cultures.

How can the catholic church be the 'true' church when they have roots back to the Babylonian mystery religion, let alone keep pagan days as 'religous' holidays? Theres no truth in keeping a holiday where bunnies are said to lay eggs or that the 25th of December is Christs birthday. The bible says, in John, 'Thy word is truth'. In catholocism, 'their word is error'.
The bible warns against doing as the heathen (pagans). I guess they are clueless....

...or deceived...Rev. 12:9 tells the whole story.

"When Novak was asked about the spiritual reason for his move from Judaism to the Catholic Church, his answer was short and direct. 'I believe that Catholicism is the only true religion. The Holy Spirit has convinced me of that.'"

George Bush: "I had to start the Iraq War. The Holy Spirit has convinced me of that."

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"Our friend and recent convert said she saw no reason to pay attention to what the Pope had to say and that she thought most people did not like him."

So why convert to Catholicism?

*********

Ms. Krebs wrote:

"In the case of the Buddhist convert: she was not cathecised correctly..."

Did you mean to write:

"In the case of the Buddhist convert: she was not mentally cauterized correctly..."?

*********

JA writes, "Idolatry occurs whenever and wherever human beings take their own inventions, creations, and constructions and insist they are a container for the very nature of Divinity".

I don't quite understand what you're trying to say. Living a life without idolatry is what, in your opinion?

Hi "Mortal"

"Pope" is derived from "Papas", which means literally "father", and has been used as a term for presbyters for centuries. But the near "Pope Worship" evidenced by one of the posters above is the very danger I'm talking about.

I don't believe the "Primacy of Rome" is anything other than historical tradition, since Rome was the old Empire's capital until the 4th century. But the Church's more basic claim is to a legitimate succession of authority from St. Peter to all his successors as supposed "Bishops of Rome".

I'm not convinced Peter was ever a bishop in Rome - as a Jew he would've been expelled with all the other Jews by Claudius's decree in c.50 CE. And it's hard to imagine Paul writing "Romans" without mentioning Peter.

Yet I am drawn to the Pope as a Christ-like figure - the idea of a continuing representative of Christ on Earth makes a lot of sense, even if so many of the teachings that have come ex Cathedra from the Papal Office seem dubious.

Thus I am torn - like many Protestants - by the depth of history of the Church - both Orthodox and Roman branches. At the same time it has so many Greco-Roman cultural accretions that it has sanctified, quite at odds with its Jewish roots.

To Adam:

I believe the English word "pope" is derived from the Latin word "pontif", meaning "bridge", and has nothing to do with the word "father". But I'm not certain. Can anyone out there clarify this?

Not only do we have many many Fathers in the Catholic church, but, we even have truckloads of, Mothers, and, Sisters, and Brothers! Deacons, bishops, cardinals. We've got Extraordinary Ministers. We've got Abbots. We have been known to have Abbesses, I have it on good information, a staff and miter, on occasion. We even have God's troubadors, jesters, jongleurs. We have many, many, little children. We've got Catechist, Lectors, and Cantors. Little flowers, martyrs, priests, prophets, kings, all. Over on another board there is a father also styled as a soldier, in a militia, who professes a readiness to act as a warrior on behalf of God's people, including all of the bishops and the legitimate bishop of Rome! You want titles, we've got titles!

It's quite a lively way of living earthly communion and at times we all get jostled by it!

We don't however call any mortal person 'God'. God is in heaven, of course, and present to us in a most beautiful diversity which Catholics enjoy in abundance as the Holy Trinity, and it seems so do most Christians around the world!

Praise God for this beautiful work!

peace!

Whenever I hear the word "Pope"/"Papa" I can only think of Jesus' words: "And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven." [Matt 23:9]

Until the Catholic Church repudiates its Greco-Roman patriarchalism then it can not be the True Church for all Christians. By making a "Father" out of a man, when all believers should be brothers/sisters, is a dangerously idolatrous act.

RELATIVISM:
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Our ex-Buddhist friend is focused upon her reception into the fellowship* of the Mass and the communal support of her local parish. At this stage she just doesn’t care what the Pope is saying.My case in point....Our friend and recent convert said she saw no reason to pay attention to what the Pope had to say and that she thought most people did not like him. She elaborated by describing the attempt of her parish priest to disagree with the Pope, while also backpedaling, making excuses for the Pope’s pronouncement....
And what about the Italian priest and American nun² and their vehement dismay toward the Pope’s actions? I believe they are sniffing the familiar, powerful odor of idolatry. Idolatry occurs whenever and wherever human beings take their own inventions, creations, and constructions and insist they are a container for the very nature of Divinity³. Protestants have continually been tempted to treat Scripture as an idol. Catholics have repeatedly been tempted to treat the institution of the Church as an idol. Idolatry is an enemy of compassion, generosity, understanding, and love toward those who are different. In this crowded global village we call earth, we just don’t need more worship of idols.
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Posted by James Anderson on July 17, 2007 11:38 AM
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MY REPLY:
In the case of the Buddhist convert: she was not cathecised correctly in her Adult RCIA classes concerning the

*: the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass [Read: Ratzinger "God is Near Us"],

nor on the

** Primacy of Peter.

Both are essential for one's acceptance and belief in Roman-Catholicism. Without the Pope and the Sacrifice there is no Church. Blame the parish where she resides...In her case, she could have joined any social-club or Protestant "church" and felt the same!

³: But about the once-Episcopal priest, James Anderson, it is obvious he has a nose so far in the air, an airliner can easily glide onto it. (Remember what Cromwell did in pre-Restoration England. How all the Cathedrals and stained glass therein were stripped!) He says he smells idolatry!

In both cases, neither does Anderson understand what Robert Novak wonderfully and joyously discovered concerning the Holy Spirit; but Anderson (as well as the Buddhist Convert) also definitely needs to read "CALLED TO COMMUNION".The Primacy of Peter is not something Joseph Ratzinger just dreamed-up for power and admiration...That thought is absolutely the furthest from the truth.....
.............................................
²: Now about that "Nun" and "Priest"... Is it wrong for me to inquire what brothel did the pair just fly out-of...?

_________________________
"I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."
[Ratzinger:"Salt of the Earth"]

May Our Papa's radiant-light continuously shine forth to illuminate Christ for the world!

RELATIVISM:
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Our ex-Buddhist friend is focused upon her reception into the fellowship* of the Mass and the communal support of her local parish. At this stage she just doesn’t care what the Pope is saying.My case in point....Our friend and recent convert said she saw no reason to pay attention to what the Pope had to say and that she thought most people did not like him. She elaborated by describing the attempt of her parish priest to disagree with the Pope, while also backpedaling, making excuses for the Pope’s pronouncement....
And what about the Italian priest and American nun² and their vehement dismay toward the Pope’s actions? I believe they are sniffing the familiar, powerful odor of idolatry. Idolatry occurs whenever and wherever human beings take their own inventions, creations, and constructions and insist they are a container for the very nature of Divinity³. Protestants have continually been tempted to treat Scripture as an idol. Catholics have repeatedly been tempted to treat the institution of the Church as an idol. Idolatry is an enemy of compassion, generosity, understanding, and love toward those who are different. In this crowded global village we call earth, we just don’t need more worship of idols.
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Posted by James Anderson on July 17, 2007 11:38 AM
_________________________________
MY REPLY:
In the case of the Buddhist convert: she was not cathecised correctly in her Adult RCIA classes concerning the

*: the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass [Read: Ratzinger "God is Near Us"],

nor on the

** Primacy of Peter.

Both are essential for one's acceptance and belief in Roman-Catholicism. Without the Pope and the Sacrifice there is no Church. Blame the parish where she resides...In her case, she could have joined any social-club or Protestant "church" and felt the same!

³: But about the once-Episcopal priest, James Anderson, it is obvious he has a nose so far in the air, an airliner can easily glide onto it. (Remember what Cromwell did in pre-Restoration England. How all the Cathedrals and stained glass therein were stripped!) He says he smells idolatry!

In both cases, neither does Anderson understand what Robert Novak wonderfully and joyously discovered concerning the Holy Spirit; but Anderson (as well as the Buddhist Convert) also definitely needs to read "CALLED TO COMMUNION".The Primacy of Peter is not something Joseph Ratzinger just dreamed-up for power and admiration...That thought is absolutely the furthest from the truth.....
.............................................
²: Now about that "Nun" and "Priest"... Is it wrong for me to inquire what brothel did the pair just fly out-of...?

_________________________
"I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."
[Ratzinger:"Salt of the Earth"]

May Our Papa's radiant-light continuously shine forth to illuminate Christ for the world!

RELATIVISM:
Quote:
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Our ex-Buddhist friend is focused upon her reception into the fellowship* of the Mass and the communal support of her local parish. At this stage she just doesn’t care what the Pope is saying.My case in point....Our friend and recent convert said she saw no reason to pay attention to what the Pope had to say and that she thought most people did not like him. She elaborated by describing the attempt of her parish priest to disagree with the Pope, while also backpedaling, making excuses for the Pope’s pronouncement....
And what about the Italian priest and American nun² and their vehement dismay toward the Pope’s actions? I believe they are sniffing the familiar, powerful odor of idolatry. Idolatry occurs whenever and wherever human beings take their own inventions, creations, and constructions and insist they are a container for the very nature of Divinity³. Protestants have continually been tempted to treat Scripture as an idol. Catholics have repeatedly been tempted to treat the institution of the Church as an idol. Idolatry is an enemy of compassion, generosity, understanding, and love toward those who are different. In this crowded global village we call earth, we just don’t need more worship of idols.
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Posted by James Anderson on July 17, 2007 11:38 AM
_________________________________
MY REPLY:
In the case of the Buddhist convert: she was not cathecised correctly in her Adult RCIA classes concerning the

*: the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass [Read: Ratzinger "God is Near Us"],

nor on the

** Primacy of Peter.

Both are essential for one's acceptance and belief in Roman-Catholicism. Without the Pope and the Sacrifice there is no Church. Blame the parish where she resides...In her case, she could have joined any social-club or Protestant "church" and felt the same!

³: But about the once-Episcopal priest, James Anderson, it is obvious he has a nose so far in the air, an airliner can easily glide onto it. (Remember what Cromwell did in pre-Restoration England. How all the Cathedrals and stained glass therein were stripped!) He says he smells idolatry!

In both cases, neither does Anderson understand what Robert Novak wonderfully and joyously discovered concerning the Holy Spirit; but Anderson (as well as the Buddhist Convert) also definitely needs to read "CALLED TO COMMUNION".The Primacy of Peter is not something Joseph Ratzinger just dreamed-up for power and admiration...That thought is absolutely the furthest from the truth.....
.............................................
²: Now about that "Nun" and "Priest"... Is it wrong for me to inquire what brothel did the pair just fly out-of...?

_________________________
"I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."
[Ratzinger:"Salt of the Earth"]

May Our Papa's radiant-light continuously shine forth to illuminate Christ for the world!

Because 2 or even 2 million people find something distasteful or reject the truth of it does not, by itself, make it untrue. Either the Catholic Church does contain all the elements of the true Church of Christ or it does not. But you cannot decide that by a vote. Surely for most of the history of the human race, if such a vote were possible, most would have agreed that the world was flat!
I would expect nothing else from Rev. Anderson since being an Episcopalian means that, by definition, he rejects the teaching authority of the Catholic Church and the pope. So this is insightful?

Well you all may as well just call all Catholics 'papists'.
Reporting that folks call this one or that one a name is, unhelpful to the situation.
All institutions are completely human run and fallible, and ridden with problems. We can all acknowledge this that no one group has yet established perfection on earth as the mediator for grace.
But I haven't read one honest, respectful analysis of the situation, and I am still waiting.
It seems that the readiness to spring belies a more deeply felt hatred, namely, that the papacy is not valid for the Catholic church. That many Catholics and non Catholics alike today harbor this sentiment is quite common. It's historically immemorial, has little to do with this or that figurehead, it seems, in its tenacity to exist through all times and places. So far, it seems a hatred based on a lot of sentiment, sort of, the 'anti-idol'? Ahem. We can make idols of ideology and slogans, intellect, all sorts of things.
It's hard to see how you get from, we disagree, to, you are an ass and an idolator. I just don't see the reasonable connection. I don't think that the full spectrum of the depth of respect that Catholics and non-Catholics have for each other is really fully captured by this sort of news item.

I've read many comments about Benedict's unChristian statement, some by professional writers who are also professional religionists. I believe this is the best, especially the last paragraph.