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Posted on September 10, 2007 08:37

JD:
Joshua Udell, The Bible says for us not to despise prophetic utterances but reading yours I don't despise but I doubt He is speaking the things you say.

I think you better wait for God's timing for the prophetic word to be released before you are so quick to judge.

"A major earthquake at the end of this year will make you say, "This is a season to remember." But it will come from an unexpected place."

Earthquakes claim 709 lives in 2007
Released: 1/3/2008 4:50:18 PM

Gisborne shakes off earthquake blues to welcome New Year

Wellington - Gisborne in New Zealand, the closest city to the international dateline and therefore the first to welcome 2008, shook off the blues caused by a massive 6.8-strength earthquake that damaged a number of buildings earlier in December with a music festival. More than 15,000 revellers turned out for the annual Rhythm and Vines festival in the port city on the east coast of the North Island which claims to be the first in the world to see the sun.

"I will not allow the terror threats to last for long, for at the end of the Presidency of this Bush that is on fire I will allow you to see them lying on the ground dead and avenged. Osama will be taken out before his final tape is released, and they will release more of his tapes even after his death, and many Muslims will say he was one of the greatest martyrs of Islam. But America will not have his name on the back of their minds any longer because He will be taken out."

Bin Laden Wants 'Caravan' of Martyrs

Tuesday, Sept. By LEE KEATH
AP

September 11, 2007 2:15 PM EDT

CAIRO, Egypt - Osama bin Laden urged sympathizers to join the "caravan" of martyrs as he praised one of the Sept. 11 suicide hijackers in a new video that emerged Tuesday to mark the sixth anniversary of the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon.

www.jcudell.blogspot.com

September 11, 2007 3:52 PM

"Atlanta, I am purging this city now. Atlanta, I am purging your churches now, from the wheat and the tares. You will see some resign and step down and new ministers come forth. For I am saddened by many of the ministers in America who are misusing there flock and I will bring them to the surface throughout America."

Sex Scandal Hits Atlanta-Area Megachurch

By DORIE TURNER (AP)

November 19, 2007 4:22 PM EST

DECATUR, Ga. - The 80-year-old leader of a suburban Atlanta megachurch is at the center of a sex scandal of biblical dimensions: He slept with his brother's wife and fathered a child by her.

Members of Archbishop Earl Paulk's family stood at the pulpit of the Cathedral of the Holy Spirit at Chapel Hill Harvester Church a few Sundays ago and revealed the secret exposed by a recent court-ordered paternity test.

November 19, 2007 5:39 PM

"A typhoon will hit in Taiwan even over this year and I tell you that anything that can be shaken will be shaken. I will penetrate the heavens and the earth. Taiwan the rains of My glory fill you to the brim."

Typhoon pounds Taiwan

Tue September 18, 2007

BEIJING, China (CNN) -- Typhoon Wipha, with wind gusts up to 185 mph (298 kph), forced schools and businesses in Taiwan to close Tuesday as it churned toward the central Chinese coast.

September 21, 2007 12:47 PM

Typhoon Krosa lashes Taiwan said...
Typhoon Krosa lashes Taiwan, at least 17 injured 12 minutes ago

TAIPEI (AFP) - At least 17 people were injured as Typhoon Krosa pounded Taiwan with powerful winds and torrential rain Saturday, forcing shops and offices to close and disrupting air, rail and road travel.

October 6, 2007 10:55 AM

"Look at the winter that will take place in England. A winter that they have never seen before. And they will say, "Something is taking place over our atmosphere." But I tell you that there will be a fire in the church that consumes the streets. A revival in the country as I tell you now the streets will be filled with My fiery Spirit."

British tabloid journalist living for Christ

Award Winning British Journalist Tells How Christ Reached Him When He was Intoxicated in a Smokey Bar—Resulting in Current News Ministry

"Dan, if Billy Graham believes that God can use a former tabloid journalist, who are you to argue?"

Michael Ireland (September 13, 2007)

September 18, 2007 2:54 PM

Revival among youth in U.K. said...
More Than 2,000 Youth Saved at Soul Survivor Conference in U.K.

"We were thrilled at how many made first time commitments to Jesus and were completely blown away by what we saw and the things we've heard."

Teresa Neumann (September 19, 2007)

(United Kingdom)—Soul Survivor is the name of an annual Christian music and teaching conference held in the U.K. This year, organizers say more than 2,400 young people committed their lives to Christ.

September 20, 2007 4:12 PM

"Watch the land of the Bulgaria region, for they have a spirit that is faltering, but they will have My Spirit take over their lands as I cause an awakening over there region."

non-english Czech speaks english

After Being Knocked Out in Race, Non-English Speaking Czech Speedway Rider Wakes Up to Speak Perfect English

"I've heard of other people getting knocked out and waking up talking fluent Italian or in one case even developing a Welsh accent, but never really believed it possible, but this incredible thing was happening in front of us!"

Teresa Neumann (September 14, 2007)

(Glasgow)—Granted this is strange news, but it is fascinatingly strange in the sense that one can only wonder at the marvelous creation of the human brain and its correlation to God's gifts and purposes. The implications are mind-boggling.

September 18, 2007 2:49 PM

Hi, I found your thoughts thought-provoking, thank you. I have also questioned the static image of God the big hairy white guy, or the Zeus-type lightning hurler in the clouds. If I may humbly suggest a few other metaphors which might describe God in "his" different forms or on different days. Who knows? (Really, who truly knows???).

Doesn't the "God" idea of god imply omnipresence, or beyond that that God IS everything? I see this as another way of saying Mother Nature. Is there really a woman out their controlling the trees and the bears and the bacteria? No? Than perhaps another metaphor for God could be the things that do control everything: the principles of physics and ecology. These are the scientific expressions of the metaphor "Mother Nature" aka "everything that happens to us and the stuff around us". But God is also the reason and the MANNER in which things happen, so perhaps he is also the Way that Taoists speak of. Read the Tao Te Ching; a lot of the images remind me of metaphors for God. So Perhaps God is the Tao (Te in Japanese). So if God is the way everything happens, isn't he everything itself? Doesn't omnipresence (or some other similar term) mean that he IS EVERYTHING? Perhaps another metaphor for God is 'ALL'. Christians have said "the alpha and the omega"--aka the beginning and the end.

So a wrap up from me: God=Mother Nature=Laws of Physics=Principles of Ecology=The Tao/The Way=Everything=The Alpha and the Omega=All. God is everything, has a way, is one unto God's self and everyone at the same time, is everywhy, and everyhow, and everywhen, and everywho.

Thanks for considering my thoughts. What are yours?

"Hear O'Israel [Space-Ship Earth/Tellus/Gaia) The LORD/G-d/ECLAt + "i" is ONE!

We THE PEOPLEW, are Together Forever With Source-One, The Non-Jealous Thus Fearless Holy No Mon ALMIGHTY!"

Now... There's the JJ Photon Guy I thought had something going on! :)

Jacob.

People are queer. It doesn't change any of that.

Given all you see, you ready to live with that?

It's OK. :)

Joshua Udell, The Bible says for us not to despise prophetic utterances but reading yours I don't despise but I doubt He is speaking the things you say.

Look at the winter that will take place in England. A winter that they have never seen before. And they will say, "Something is taking place over our atmosphere." But I tell you that there will be a fire in the church that consumes the streets. A revival in the country as I tell you now the streets will be filled with My fiery Spirit.

Watch the land of the Bulgaria region, for they have a spirit that is faltering, but they will have My Spirit take over their lands as I cause an awakening over there region.

Watch and listen to your spiritual fathers. Do not provoke your children into rebellion. For it is tough to have a rebellious child listen to their authorities. They will not listen to you because they reject your ways and they will not listen to Me because they are under a season of difficulties that will cause the whole house to shake in disarrangement. Let Me hear the prayers of change and I will draw them back to Me, says the Lord.

I am about to shake the regions of the Midwest. Watch Me now as I begin to move throughout the Midwest, they will say, Missouri what has happened here? Illinois what has happened here? Even for three, even for five in the south lands.

In the Pacific there shall be some powerful winds that smash into your nation, and it will cause you to think is this the beginning of the winds for a month?

Atlanta, I am purging this city now. Atlanta, I am purging your churches now, from the wheat and the tares. You will see some resign and step down and new ministers come forth. For I am saddened by many of the ministers in America who are misusing there flock and I will bring them to the surface throughout America.

A debate about the Christmas tree in the schools will take place, and I say, "What is a tree compared to the Son of the living God? I tell you bring Him back to the schools, bring him back to Washington, and in your homes and work places so that you can experience the true life He brings. A birth of a great revival is on the breakthrough America, full of repentance, sign's and wonders. Be ready."

I will not allow the terror threats to last for long, for at the end of the Presidency of this Bush that is on fire I will allow you to see them lying on the ground dead and avenged. Osama will be taken out before his final tape is released, and they will release more of his tapes even after his death, and many Muslims will say he was one of the greatest martyrs of Islam. But America will not have his name on the back of their minds any longer because He will be taken out.

A major earthquake at the end of this year will make you say, "This is a season to remember." But it will come from an unexpected place. A typhoon will hit in Taiwan even over this year and I tell you that anything that can be shaken will be shaken. I will penetrate the heavens and the earth. Taiwan the rains of My glory fill you to the brim

They will say in a few years, "We hardly need to use the oil in the Middle East." And they will say, "We have our own resources for our new cars and machines." America will have an abundance of the new energy sources and they will say we must borrow from America, and this will cause your debts in America to go down dramatically! And when the debts that are sky high shall fall to the ground and they will say, "National debt where are you now?" "For the national debt in America shall fall down when America's natural resources come up." Says the Lord Most High.

I wonder if God shakes his head in disbelief when people talk of the Katrina disaster. He must be saying to Himself, "Didn't they notice the tsunami that ravaged communities across South and Southeast Asia in 2004?" Well over 200,000 people died in that disaster.

He must also shake his head when people talk about "recovering" from the Virginia Tech shooting. Let's get serious, how do you rank that tragic day in comparison to the daily events of Baghdad or the larger picture of Iraq, North Korea, or Zimbabwe? To name just a few.

Maybe we think that God has His favorites....whites of European descent and the Asians, Arabs, or Africans aren't that important. If we don't have CNN cover the 2004 tsunami as long as the Katrina, then Katrina must be the greater event.

If God has the emotion of disappointment, He must surely be disappointed.

The real tragedy is how His creatures view tragic and what we don't do about it.

Jim

I think there may be a little nugget of truth trying to show it's face here. If life were an art museum some would grasp the beauty and come through with insights that words couldn't begin to do justice to. Others would only see paint on canvas and complain that the five bucks charged for admission was a rip off. Is anyone right? Is anyone wrong? I couldn't say for sure, but if anyone tried to kill my buzz I would be sorely tempted to punch them in the nose.

Rabbi Kula,

You write:
"For me, God is a code word for Reality experienced as Unbounded, Spacious, Radiant, Vast, Open, Transparent, a Luminous Clarity in which I am part of a vast seamless system of dynamic, flowing, mutually interpenetrating processes that includes all of us in a radiant sweep, an unqualifiable radically all- inclusive Consciousness of Light, Love, and Life."

This is already too many words to describe what is not describable. Better to be silent in the face of the mystery. "Mystic" and "mute" have the same derivation. Although, of course, you are expected, and are being paid, to fill up the page with words. If you submitted a blank page, On Faith would probably not invite you back.

And God would rather NOT have us create disasters/evil to save us from disasters/evil by more disasters/evil, as he told Elijah.

On God and Suffering

On God. Teachings on God in all religions we can learn are just in the world of words on God. The conceptions on the God are just the subjective-God. So, we must ask our own self, who is the fact of the God, and who is the objective-God? (Call It as the living God.) If we have experienced the living God, we must then ask our own self, is the experience not just our own illusion or even hallucination on the God? We cannot accurately answer the question. Even though we have experienced the illusion (or hallucination) - created God, the experience is forever beyond language (unspoken). The experience is just for us (as individuals). God is forever beyond our own abilities (in Javanese: tan kena kinaya ngapa; so, Javanese are teaching that the difference between both theist and atheist is as thin as a layer of membrane of a seed. Truly, that we are a theist or an atheist? We cannot definitively know). God is a Mystery (beyond language). In the context, Gautama Buddha forever comments the interpretation of Ananda, 'Neti, neti, neti, O Ananda' ('Not the like, I have spoken, O Ananda'. It is meaning that the spoken of Buddha is distorted spoken, so cannot be literally understood, but we must be able to catch the essence of the spoken. And, we will not be able to speak the caught essence in language). In the context, Lao-tse says, 'Who speaks, knows nothing; who knows, speaks nothing'.
On Suffering. In an American-written book (1970s early) I have read a sentence this like, ‘If you want to be beauty, you must be experiencing the suffering’. So, the suffering is a drug (medicine) for transforming us to be an ethically beauty individual (a good or altruistic one). According to Dualism (including Hinduism, Mahayana Buddhism, Judaism, Christianism, and Islam), God is creating the Being (including human beings) in the flowing Eternity. God is treating the human beings with suffering, so the human beings will be transforming to be ethically better and better, from generation to generation. According to Monism (including Hinayana Buddhism, and Sufism or Mysticism), the Being is a spontaneously existing (timelessness) together with the God; as the light and its own bright. Al Faraby (a philosopher of Monism) teaches that the Being is the efficient cause of the God. In the context, Buddha teaches that suffering is a natural trait of individual human beings. According to Buddha, the Being (including human beings) is structured by a troika of emptiness, temporary, and suffering. So, human beings cannot escape from the suffering. Matur nuwun. Sunday, September 09, 2007, 08:50:44.

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And since God is inside us all, all disasters are man-made, consciously or not.

On God and Suffering

On God. Teachings on God in all religions we can learn are just in the world of words on God. The conceptions on the God are just the subjective-God. So, we must ask our own self, who is the fact of the God, and who is the objective-God? (Call It as the living God.) If we have experienced the living God, we must then ask our own self, is the experience not just our own illusion or even hallucination on the God? We cannot accurately answer the question. Even though we have experienced the illusion (or hallucination) - created God, the experience is forever beyond language (unspoken). The experience is just for us (as individuals). God is forever beyond our own abilities (in Javanese: tan kena kinaya ngapa; so, Javanese are teaching that the difference between both theist and atheist is as thin as a layer of membrane of a seed. Truly, that we are a theist or an atheist? We cannot definitively know). God is a Mystery (beyond language). In the context, Gautama Buddha forever comments the interpretation of Ananda, 'Neti, neti, neti, O Ananda' ('Not the like, I have spoken, O Ananda'. It is meaning that the spoken of Buddha is distorted spoken, so cannot be literally understood, but we must be able to catch the essence of the spoken. And, we will not be able to speak the caught essence in language). In the context, Lao-tse says, 'Who speaks, knows nothing; who knows, speaks nothing'.
On Suffering. In an American-written book (1970s early) I have read a sentence this like, ‘If you want to be beauty, you must be experiencing the suffering’. So, the suffering is a drug (medicine) for transforming us to be an ethically beauty individual (a good or altruistic one). According to Dualism (including Hinduism, Mahayana Buddhism, Judaism, Christianism, and Islam), God is creating the Being (including human beings) in the flowing Eternity. God is treating the human beings with suffering, so the human beings will be transforming to be ethically better and better, from generation to generation. According to Monism (including Hinayana Buddhism, and Sufism or Mysticism), the Being is a spontaneously existing (timelessness) together with the God; as the light and its own bright. Al Faraby (a philosopher of Monism) teaches that the Being is the efficient cause of the God. In the context, Buddha teaches that suffering is a natural trait of individual human beings. According to Buddha, the Being (including human beings) is structured by a troika of emptiness, temporary, and suffering. So, human beings cannot escape from the suffering. Matur nuwun. Sunday, September 09, 2007, 08:50:44.

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God can work through disasters, fire from the sky, etc, shocking people into righteousness, or by other means. The means of God, however, are our own choice.
Good and evil are tools that we give in God's hand, as instruments of our own future salvation.
How do we give such tools in his hand? If disasters is what it takes to make us righteous, than we will have disasters. If a "small voice" would makes us righteous, than God will be a small voice.

(Best illustrated by Elia's 'small voice' story in the Bible)

>>>Bla Bla Bla....if God is undefinable- it seems
we are just wasting our time discussing it.

That's how we get the license number of the truck that ran us over.

God is infinite, by definition. The infinite may not be defined or even imagined. Devil is NOT infinite, by definition. Giving God any dimension is a violation of the first commandment because any dimension-possible God is not infinite God and most likely devil. Saying God is a "HE" is a violation of the first commandment. The first commandment is the most violated of all the commandments.

God has almighty power, the power to make something from nothing, create. Thus God does not need man to get what God wants. What God wants happens as a matter of God wanting it, the universe for an easy example.

Devil does not have almighty power but does have power. Devil gets his power from people, 9-11 for example. Violators of the first commandment use the false notion that God wills their actions when in reality they serve devil.

Check out BEGONE's web site. Should make you think and perhaps understand just how fragile the world situation is brought about by worshiping devil calling him, (OK to say devil is male) God.

No group has suffered more from devil worship than_____________.

Bla Bla Bla....if God is undefinable- it seems
we are just wasting our time discussing it.

Anonymous, you wrote: "Letting go all one's ideas about God is demanded by the first commandment. Makes it impossible to visualize God and thus pray to God. Therefore, all prayers are to devil, not to belittle the power of devil. Whatever works. Lots of room in hell."

I have a bit of trouble understanding what you have written here--that is, your precise point. Perhaps you could clarify.

And I will clarify my point. When I say letting go of my ideas of God, it is not to say I have substituted something else, or that my prayers and communion with God are just random and undirected, or worse, in the service of Satan or any other figure. It is to say that I do not make the assumption that I know the full dimensions or intentions of God, or know the will of God nor can speak for God, nor can confine or define God in certain measures that are subject to my human interpretations alone, as if I would be free from error. Rather it is to say that God is bigger than my ideas about Him.

Letting go all one's ideas about God is demanded by the first commandment. Makes it impossible to visualize God and thus pray to God. Therefore, all prayers are to devil, not to belittle the power of devil. Whatever works. Lots of room in hell.

I recently read something about God that has changed and deepened my relationship to God. It said, and I am paraphrasing here, "To really know God, let go of all your ideas about God." I found that God grew exponentially with that shift, making for a pretty big God.

Steve W: That good warm feeling religion brings on could be from the fires of hell.

Are those among us who hear voices from the sky, see lights where there are none, get that good warm born again feeling being contacted by God or Devil? Could they actually just be insane? One rotten apple leads the whole barrel to hell.

Rabbi:

You said, "The answer to the question how does God allow disasters like hurricane Katrina depends on what kind of God we believe in." I agree.

http://www.hoax-buster.org/sellyoursoul seems to have a fairly good handle of "what kind of God we believe in."

Perhaps a reexamination of the first commandment is in order? I don't think it leaves much wiggle room for "strange Gods" the type that bring disasters.

Do we have a failure to recognize Devil? Are we calling Devil, the biggest one of them all, Lucifer who would be God, are we calling Him God?

Calling Devil God does not make Devil God but surely makes Devil happy. Praying to the being that Moses made the deal with doesn't seem to calm things and especially natural acts like Katrina. Could that hoax buster fellow be onto something big or is he just another atheists that don't even believe in Devil?

I've experienced these transcendental moments myself as a Christian. Many people from many different faiths have also.

Religion stems from personal experience.

Norrie:

"But, Rabbi Kula, what you are calling "God" bears no resemblance to what anyone else calls "God""

Funny, ennit?

On another thread, we Pagans are supposed to defend ourselves against the *very idea* that we 'hate' what this Rabbi calls 'God.'

You betcha Binah we don't. ;)

Ready alliteration aside, Norrie:

People that do-hurt-in-the-name-of 'God' *do* have a small idea of what-to-do-about-That-Big-Perception.

Not like a Jewish person never did me harm, but, also, ...People that became my family when I was on the run once, ...they knew stuff like this author speaks without even saying it.

Christians got a way of telling Christian kids what Jews believe, and how.

It's not necessarily-so.

If Christians want to base their rpresumed authority on Judaism, they ought to listen to a guy like this, first.

Actual Rabbi or something. Who knew.

Irwin

Like the man said God lives within us not without.
Didn't they notify you?
There is no god 'cept what you imagine.
So go on,imagine away,
aint nobody goin to stop you all.
The supernatural is the freeist country of them all.

Norrie,
If you hear divine hooves, you are hearing Epona. Grab a handful of mane and ride!
lol...

terra

"For me, God is a code word for Reality experienced as Unbounded, Spacious, Radiant, Vast, Open, Transparent, a Luminous Clarity in which I am part of a vast seamless system of dynamic, flowing, mutually interpenetrating processes that includes all of us in a radiant sweep, an unqualifiable radically all- inclusive Consciousness of Light, Love, and Life."

But, Rabbi Kula, what you are calling "God" bears no resemblance to what anyone else calls "God".

You are taking an internal feeling-state of yours and calling it "God". Everybody else's "God" is a being with intentions and powers.

As for the possible existence of a "God" (anybody's "God", of whatever nature): let's have resort to Occam's Razor, popularly condensed to the saying, "If you hear hooves, think of horses, not zebras".

When considering the likelihood of the existence of "God', you don't even need to resort to Occam's Razor.

If you hear divine hooves, you're delusional.

Regards.

Irwin

Mine's bigger than yours.

TO IRWIN KULA: Actually God is a Being of Pure Love and the Trinity has a Plan and it is unfolding before our very eyes. Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.