Hadia Mubarak, an "On Faith" panelist, is a senior researcher at Georgetown University's Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding. Starting this fall, she will be a doctoral student at Georgetown University's Islamic Studies department. Mubarak received her Master's Degree in Contemporary Arab Studies with a concentration in Women and Gender from Georgetown University's School of Foreign Service. She received her Bachelor's Degree in International Affairs and English from Florida State University. In 2004, Mubarak was the first female to be elected president of the Muslim Students Association National (MSA) since its establishment in 1963. MSA is an umbrella organization of approximately 600 chapters in the US and Canada, which serves to promote religious awareness on college campuses and foster an atmosphere that accommodates the religious diversity of its student body.
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Hadia Mubarak, an "On Faith" panelist, is a senior researcher at Georgetown University's Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding.
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wow... it seems we can do anything in the name of god or on the behalf of our faith, and its ok, or understandable. uuummm, this could be a powerful tool, the promise of heaven and fear of hell is pretty powerful in itself, dont you think our government realizes this? your a fool if you think they havent used your faith to control, motivate, persuade, and scare the masses. history offers many examples. as long as there is one true god there will be bloodshed in his name. religion constructs a false sense of increase. humans will deevolve and relive the dark chapters of history...from the faith that you release comes an athiest peace. -greg graffen
You say: I'm wondering if you're aware of rape statistics in America: "Every two and a half minutes, somewhere in America, someone is sexually assaulted. One in six American women are victims of sexual assault, and one in 33 men. In 2004-2005, there were an average annual 200,780 victims of rape, attempted rape or sexual assault. About 44% of rape victims are under age 18..." (see http://www.rainn.org/statistics/index.html)
These women are ALWAYS victims, under every circumstance
And I say:
Where are the statistics for rape and incest in Islamic countries?
You say: I'm wondering if you're aware of rape statistics in America: "Every two and a half minutes, somewhere in America, someone is sexually assaulted. One in six American women are victims of sexual assault, and one in 33 men. In 2004-2005, there were an average annual 200,780 victims of rape, attempted rape or sexual assault. About 44% of rape victims are under age 18..." (see http://www.rainn.org/statistics/index.html)
These women are ALWAYS victims, under every circumstance
And I say:
Where are the statistics for rape and incest in Islamic countries?
Rape statistics - er -what about Darfur? Even Mohammet was a rapist according to the hadith.
It was part and parcel of the enslavement, booty and slaughter in the agressive battles he took part in from Medina to fund his and his followers lifestyle and spread Islam within Arabia.
After leaving Mecca, Mohammed (now widowed) married Sauda, a widow from Medina, but returned to Mecca to marry the young Aisha for no other reason than he fancied a trophy wife. Plus all the rest!
On his return to Medina the plundering of caravans and battles with other tribes commenced, all of which were planned by Mohammed and in most of which he took part. After his death eight years later when all of Arabia had been converted to Islam, the invasion of the Mediterranean and Middle Eastern countries started - again for the loot, lands and wealth they contained.
In India over seventy million Hindus were slaughtered and like the other captured lands most religious symbols were destroyed and replaced by mosques. Islam does not have a proud history.
And Islam has never stopped - it still lives off other countries as Arabias new wealth goes mainly to funding the spread of Islam, madrassas and terrorist groups - not the poorer Muslim countries who so desperately need help. They are still enslaved by Islam and have nothing, unlike the west, to offer so do not attract Islamic aid or charity.
Islam is about power and control. It is a philosophy and a way of life that allows Muslim males to do whatever they want, to whoever they want as long as they can say it is in defence of Islam.
And your defence of this flawed ideology is your Hijab. Read your history, the Koran, Hadeeths and Mohammed's biography, then justify your religious thinking.
Yes, Islam really dignified women by hijab; only truth is you know very little about women rights in Islam. Besides hijab Allah also wanted from women following.
Please read below some information about you in Islam.
Women rights in Islam as per Quran:
2:228, And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a degree (of advantage) over them
2:230, So if a husband divorces his wife (irrevocably), He cannot, after that, re-marry her until after she has married another husband and He has divorced her
2:282, and get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her.
4:3, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.
4:11-12, Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children’s (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females:
4:34, Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.
53:27, Those who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names
66:10, Allah sets forth, for an example to the Unbelievers, the wife of Noah and the wife of Lut: they were (respectively) under two of our righteous servants, but they were false to their (husbands), and they profited nothing before Allah on their account, but were told: “Enter ye the Fire along with (others) that enter!”
Women rights as per Sahi Hadiths:
It is forbidden for a woman to be seen by any man except her husband when she is made up or well-dressed. (TR. P 430)
3. A woman is not a believer if she undertakes a journey which may last three days or longer, unless she is accompanied by her husband, son, father or brother. (TR. P 431 )
4. A woman must veil herself even in the presence of her husband's father, brother and other male relations. (TR. P 432)
5. She is forbidden to spend any money without the permission of her husband, and it includes giving food to the needy or feast to friends. (TR. P 265)
6. A wife is forbidden to perform extra prayers (NAFAL) or observe fasting (other than RAMADAN) without the permission of her husband. (TR. P 300)
7. If prostration were a legitimate act other than to God, woman should have prostrated to her husband. (TR. P 428)
8. If a man is in a mood to have sexual intercourse woman must come immediately even if she is baking bread at a communal oven. (TR. P 428) 9. The marriage of woman to her man is not substantive. It is precarious. For example if the father of the husband orders his son to divorce his wife, he must do so. (TR. P 440)
11. Majority of women would go to hell. (Muslim P 1431)
12. If a woman refuses to come to bed when invited by her husband, she becomes the target of the curses of angles. Exactly the same happens if she deserts her husband's bed. (Bokhari P 93)
13. The women who are ungrateful to their men, are the denizens of hell; it is an act of ingratitude for a woman to say: "I have never seen any good from you." (Bokhari P 96)
14. A woman in many ways is deprived of the possession of her own body. Even her milk belongs to her husband. (Bokhari P 27)
Below are comemnts by a reader of my article on Islamic mumbo-jumbo. This readers explain about all organized religions:
"I expose the falsehoods of all man made religions. These religions are just for business purpose. Arab religion is a derivative of Hindu religion. In Hindu religion the religious class is asking the masses to worship the stones. Shiv linga and parvati stones are the famous stones. Shiv linga is a male sexual organ and parvati is a female sexual organ. The Arabs have taken the parvati stone to mecca and calling it a holy stone came directly from paradise .How stupid and ignorant are the followers of this religion. The Hindus are spinning around the stone in India seven times clockwise and the stupid followers of Arab religions have just made one change....They made it to anticlockwise....What a great change .This parvati stone is a outstretched vagina, through which head of a baby is delivering out. The followers of Arab religions including the converts are saluting and surrendering their heads to this stone three or five times a day. They are kissing this stone (Parvati vagina and head of baby)during their very holy holy pilgrimage. If you will disclose to them this reality of worshiping the stone, they will desperately reply.. "no we are not worshiping stone, we are worshiping our god through this stone". What an intelligent answer . Stupid followers of a sadist god. He create them and asking them to raise their asses many times a day.
These poor followers are scarred of these gods. He has threatened them if they will not worship him, he will screw them in hereafter life. At other place this god has used another weapon "sex in the paradise",72 virgins for men. But no body ask this god,what about females, what they will get? I think Arab god is gay god, jealous of females .
Allah allows pure Muslims to have sex with slave girls
By Syed Kamran Mirza
8/10/2005
Holy Quran emphatically permitted all pukka (pure) Muslims to have sex with their slave girls and concubines. Below are some of the Quranic verses on this issue of slave girls.
(QURAN - 70:22-30): "Not so the worshippers, who are steadfast in prayer, who set aside a due portion of their wealth for the beggar and for the deprived, who truly believe in the Day of Reckoning and dread the punishment of their Lord (for none is secure from the punishment of their Lord); who restrain their carnal desire, save with their wives and their slave girls, for these are lawful to them: he that lusts after other than these is a transgressor..."
This verse very clearly stated that Quran allows Muslim men to have sex with their wives (of course) and their slave girls too.
(QURAN - 23:5,6): "...who restrain their carnal desires (except with their wives and slave girls, for these are lawful to them..."
Again, Quran allows Muslim men to have sexual relations with their wives and slave girls.
(QURAN - 4:24): "And all married women are forbidden unto you save those captives whom your right hand possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. (Muhammad Pickthall's English translation of the Quran).
In this above verse Allah clearly says Muslims to have sex with captives (Booty from POWs) that they get from war booty.
(QURAN - 33:50):
"Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty;..."
This above verse is for Prophet Muhammad. Supposedly, Allah (SBT.) allows Prophet Muhammad to have sex with his slave girls he got from war booty.
The above verses are only a few I have mentioned out of numerous such verses scattered throughout the Quran. What could be more unethical matter than having sex with slave girls? Allah (SBT) graciously allowed Muslims to have sex with slave girls and captives from the war (POWs). Prophet Muhammad himself and his disciples routinely used to have sex with their slave girls. Besides having numerous wives, Prophet Muhammad had many concubines and slaves girls with whom he had sex. This fact can be supported by hadiths and al-sira.
To this above Quranic verses, some Islamic apologists will try to tell us that, actually Allah asked Muslims to marry those slave/concubines before they can have sex with them. Now let me explain some catch before some Islamic apologists try to sugar-coat these immoral Quranic verses:
Quran-4:24—“ Also forbidden are married women unless they are captives (of war), such is the decree of God. Lawful for you are women besides them if you seek them with your wealth for wedlock and not for debauchery.”
Quran-33:50—"Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty;..."
The above two Quranic verses are from Maulana Yousuf Ali’s translated Quran. Now let me examine the very meanings of verse (4:24)- “ Also forbidden are married women unless they are captives (of war), such is the decree of God. Lawful for you are women besides them if you seek them with your wealth for wedlock and not for debauchery.”
Readers please carefully read the above verse. The verse is unambiguously saying the following: you can not have sex with other people’s married women but if she is captives of war then it’s Okay to have sex with her because Allah permitted that; other women (besides captives and other people’s wives) are also lawful for having sex after you marry them with your money. Does not this verse very clearly establish the fact that Muslim men can have sex with women received from the war booty (Ganimater maal)?
If you marry your slave girl, will she still remain as the slave for ever? After you marry your slave girl do you still call her a slave? Will you call her my slave wife and the other my dowry wife? Do you still separate them as slave and free women? Why then Allah should tell about your wife in two different categories? Fact of the matter is, Allah permitted Muslims to have sex with slave girls and concubines (received from war booty).
Many Middle Eastern Muslims countries still follows Quranic privilege of having sex with their slave girls. In Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and other Islamic paradise Arab Muslim masters are routinely having sex with their maids even today. Frequently we get to read many horrific cases of sex-scandals about maids in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere. Very recently we read the news of numerous (hundreds of) sex-scandals with Indonesian maids in Saudi Arabia and this uncivilized custom still prevailing in the most Muslims countries even today?
Your hijab can not hide your beauty at all; rather it exposes your extreme beauty of your face having lustful lips, rosey cheeks, sexy eyes etc. So what is your point of covering your hair only? I think this hijab is serving the purpose of subjugating women by men. Because, in islam women are the devout servants of men.
In Australia's New South Wales Supreme Court in December 2005, a visiting Pakistani rapist testified that his victims had no right to say no, because they were not wearing a headscarf.
And earlier this year Australians were outraged when Lebanese Sheik Faiz Mohammed gave a lecture in Sydney where he informed his audience that rape victims had no one to blame but themselves. Women, he said, who wore skimpy clothing, invited men to rape them.
A few months earlier, in Copenhagen, Islamic mufti and scholar, Shahid Mehdi created uproar when – like his peer in Australia – he stated that women who did not wear a headscarf were asking to be raped
In Australia's New South Wales Supreme Court in December 2005, a visiting Pakistani rapist testified that his victims had no right to say no, because they were not wearing a headscarf.
And earlier this year Australians were outraged when Lebanese Sheik Faiz Mohammed gave a lecture in Sydney where he informed his audience that rape victims had no one to blame but themselves. Women, he said, who wore skimpy clothing, invited men to rape them.
A few months earlier, in Copenhagen, Islamic mufti and scholar, Shahid Mehdi created uproar when – like his peer in Australia – he stated that women who did not wear a headscarf were asking to be raped
In Australia's New South Wales Supreme Court in December 2005, a visiting Pakistani rapist testified that his victims had no right to say no, because they were not wearing a headscarf.
And earlier this year Australians were outraged when Lebanese Sheik Faiz Mohammed gave a lecture in Sydney where he informed his audience that rape victims had no one to blame but themselves. Women, he said, who wore skimpy clothing, invited men to rape them.
A few months earlier, in Copenhagen, Islamic mufti and scholar, Shahid Mehdi created uproar when – like his peer in Australia – he stated that women who did not wear a headscarf were asking to be raped
In Australia's New South Wales Supreme Court in December 2005, a visiting Pakistani rapist testified that his victims had no right to say no, because they were not wearing a headscarf.
And earlier this year Australians were outraged when Lebanese Sheik Faiz Mohammed gave a lecture in Sydney where he informed his audience that rape victims had no one to blame but themselves. Women, he said, who wore skimpy clothing, invited men to rape them.
A few months earlier, in Copenhagen, Islamic mufti and scholar, Shahid Mehdi created uproar when – like his peer in Australia – he stated that women who did not wear a headscarf were asking to be raped
In Australia's New South Wales Supreme Court in December 2005, a visiting Pakistani rapist testified that his victims had no right to say no, because they were not wearing a headscarf.
And earlier this year Australians were outraged when Lebanese Sheik Faiz Mohammed gave a lecture in Sydney where he informed his audience that rape victims had no one to blame but themselves. Women, he said, who wore skimpy clothing, invited men to rape them.
A few months earlier, in Copenhagen, Islamic mufti and scholar, Shahid Mehdi created uproar when – like his peer in Australia – he stated that women who did not wear a headscarf were asking to be raped
I just want to thank D. Goebel for saying all that needs to be said. The foundation of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam is that you love God with all your soul and that you love your neighbor like yourself.
If you do not believe in God, which is fine (for many years I did not, and my faith still wavers), remember that with these religions, for the first time in history, people were asked to love beyond themselves, to look past their petty and selfish existences to care about and love others. Most secular humanists agree that these are valuable morals in society.
I too, struggle with the details beyond these fundamentals. How could God ask a man to kill his son? If Jesus died to save us from our sin, how come we still live in a world where people wrong each other constantly? Why is it that men's supposed sinful nature falls upon women so that *they* must wear restrictive clothing and avoid leading religious services attended by men?
I just hope that people of any religion or no religion at all remember that online or otherwise, care for our fellow human beings is the responsibility of all.
There is a difference between disagreeing and attacking, between discussing and squabbling.
Hadia knows that she will elicit ridicule from people by what she chooses to wear. The thing it doesn't bother her. So criticize what she does for God all you want, she knows it's coming. This is why hijab isn't worn for men or for non-Muslims or for other Muslims, it's about God and His creation.
Empty criticisms won't get Muslim women to take it off. What about the people that spam these comments? I wish they cold be removed. ugh
Go Hadia! Keep fighting the good fight!
Hi
I would like to say that 90% of what our moslims nations practicing is not from Islam. Its complitly contradicting the tru Islam.
Such as Hijab, Khalifa & Baia , the prohibited things such as drinking, dancing, music, girl friends, converting to another belive, ...
The moslims teachers and sects wrote books in the name of Mohamad to make people belive in what they wrote.
The moslims teachers insult the tru islam and thinkink only about sex . They made our womens as a slaves they should be coverd all time ......
A question for moslimsD if a women should have Hijab then why God didnot put any punishment in the quraan if the women refused it?
Thanks God that USA do exist to helpe us to eliminate the fake islam and to practice the tru one
Mohamad
Specialist in Ideology
Melissa, In the 7th century arabia, christians, jews, pagans were free to keep unlimited number of wives. By allowing four wives, Islam was not encouraging men to take up four wives. It was in fact restricting the number a man could have. However note that in Islamic shariat law, marriage is a buisness contract in which the woman proposes to the man and the man accepts. Because the woman is the "seller" and the man is the "buyer", She can come up with any pre-nuptial agreement including demanding a monogomous marriage. This the reason why today muslim marriages are far more likely to be monogmaous than western marriages. The prophet of Islam gave women the power to dictate any terms and during pre nuptial. Unfortunately in many muslim countries, it is the parents who deny their own daughters the birth rights.
Melissa, In the 7th century arabia, christians, jews, pagans were free to keep unlimited number of wives. By allowing four wives, Islam was not encouraging men to take up four wives. It was in fact restricting the number a man could have. However note that in Islamic shariat law, marriage is a buisness contract in which the woman proposes to the man and the man accepts. Because the woman is the "seller" and the man is the "buyer", She can come up with any pre-nuptial agreement including demanding a monogomous marriage. This the reason why today muslim marriages are far more likely to be monogmaous than western marriages. The prophet of Islam gave women the power to dictate any terms and during pre nuptial. Unfortunately in many muslim countries, it is the parents who deny their own daughters the birth rights.
Australian ad on Ebay: "This Hijab are perfect for evening wear, yet still beautiful for wearing during day and night times. Specially During Exciting moments of Weddings and parties these hijab make you Attractive and very Special. And you feel it.Size is 110cm by 110cm. OUR PRODUCTIONS are for all age group no matter whether you are old and kid or young- no matter wherever you are from- they all are designed according to your needs."
I should add that hijab offers a certain je ne c'est quois charm as a last-minute fashion accessory: ….when you discover you have gotten so fat you can't fit into any of your party dresses. Or don't have time to shampoo your greasy hair or bathe; hijab also allows you to sweat prolifically yet discretely! While no one will offer you champagne at the fetes mentioned above, carrying your own flask undetected should not be a problem, along with your holster and other weaponry to fend off Legendary Depraved American Male Rapists, should any be attending.
Australian ad on Ebay: "This Hijab are perfect for evening wear, yet still beautiful for wearing during day and night times. Specially During Exciting moments of Weddings and parties these hijab make you Attractive and very Special. And you feel it.Size is 110cm by 110cm. OUR PRODUCTIONS are for all age group no matter whether you are old and kid or young- no matter wherever you are from- they all are designed according to your needs."
I should add that hijab offers a certain je ne c'est quois charm as a last-minute fashion accessory: ….when you discover you have gotten so fat you can't fit into any of your party dresses. Or don't have time to shampoo your greasy hair or bathe; hijab also allows you to sweat prolifically yet discretely! While no one will offer you champagne at the fetes mentioned above, carrying your own flask undetected should not be a problem, along with your holster and other weaponry to fend off Legendary Depraved American Male Rapists, should any be attending.
Ismael Byrd the "white" convert. You know that Muslims love white converts don't you? An American makes it even better. If you are college educated it's a feather in the hat for the imam at whose hands you converted (you love REVERT don't you?), we see your story in those pamphlets and those videos that Muslims proudly show. They need you, they need assurance that Islam is not as stupid as they dare think it is for see we have a "White" convert.
You never answered a single thing I said about the curse of the purdah, the 4-walls concept of Islam for women but instead you rambled about me hating Islam, typical of Muslims, cant respond then claim Islamophobia, racist... what are you going to call me? A Kafir?
Now how could I be ignorant and uninformed? I was a Muslim for many generations and lived in one of those Muslim cesspools that makes news so often; news that makes Islam sound more stupid than you'd dare think. I tell you what, you go to any Islamic country (pick one) and live there, get a job and raise a family, granted you are a white convert which will get you favors that normal "natives" don't enjoy, however even with your favors you won't last long, your women will long to leave and go back to the kafirs.
You absolutely have no idea what an average citizen in a Muslim country goes through, let alone a poor woman with very little resources. You are the kind who can be seen sitting and chatting in the Muslim shop eating those tasty "Hilal" Gyro sandwiches, with a beard that looks more like fluff uttering words like, Alhumdullah!, Mashallah!, Bismillah! At every chance you get, you have no idea how stupid that sounds.
Your words;
"As muslims we know you hate us, we know you hate our religion (the Quran tells us all about you)"
sweet heart, if you had any brains you'd realize Mohammed said those words, he was the conniving maniac that the Kafirs could not stand, they laughed at his multiple wives, his child bride, his rapes, his loot, his plunder and above all else his claim to be a "Prophet".
Please explain why Allah needs his women to hide their hair and bodies for him? Ask that imam of yours before you spout off more rubbish.
As with many of us, you suffer from the three B's i.e you were Bren, Born and Brainwashed into your religion and in your case Islam.
For a synopsis of the flaws in foundations of all contemporary religions to include Islam see below. Please peruse and refute any of the conclusions with historical records.
1. Abraham founder/father of three major religions was probably a mythical character. If he was real, he was at best a combination of at least three men. 1.5 million Conservative Jews and their rabbis have relegated Abraham to the myth pile along with most if not all the OT.
2. Jesus, the illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter possibly suffering from hallucinations, has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth. Analyses of his life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, On Faith panelists)via the NT and related documents have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian/Jewish/Pagan sects.
3. Mohammed, an illiterate, hallucinating Arab, also had embellishing/hallucinating scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the Koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.
This agenda continues as shown by the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers , the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers , the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani koranics, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases and the Filipino koranics with most of this misery being funded by the third Axis of Evil aka Iran.
4. Luther, Calvin, Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley et al, founders of Christian-based religions, also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingy thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immaculate conceptions).
5. Hinduism (from an online Hindu site) - "Hinduism cannot be described as an organized religion. It is not founded by any individual. Hinduism is God centred and therefore one can call Hinduism as founded by God, because the answer to the question ‘Who is behind the eternal principles and who makes them work?’ will have to be ‘Cosmic power, Divine power, God’"
The caste/laborer system and cow worship are problems when saying a fair and rational God founded Hinduism."
6. Buddhism- "Buddhism began in India about 500 years before the birth of Christ. The people living at that time had become disillusioned with certain beliefs of Hinduism including the caste system, which had grown extremely complex. The number of outcasts (those who did not belong to any particular caste) was continuing to grow."
"However, in Buddhism, like so many other religions, fanciful stories arose concerning events in the life of the founder, Siddhartha Gautama (fifth century B.C.):"
Archaeological discoveries have proved, beyond a doubt, his historical character, but apart from the legends we know very little about the circumstances of his life.
Bottom line: There are many good ways of living but be aware of the hallucinations/embellishments and myths surrounding the founders of said rules of life.
If I am to be compared to anything that sits on a chessboard, it's the queen.
While it is unfortunate that women is so many Muslim countries ARE forced to wear the hijab and sometimes the burqa, this is un-Islamic. A main teaching of Islam is "there is no compulsion in religion." The governments of these countries are NOT following Islam, though they may think they are. Look it up, wiseguy, and I don't mean on wehatemuslims.com!
As I was saying, women may be forced to wear hijab in other countries, it is not the case here in America. For the last time, and try to get it through your thick skull, WEARING HIJAB IS MY CHOICE. If it wasn't, I would be ripping it off the minute I stepped out the door. Guess what? I keep it on.
I don't know why it is so hard for you to accept this. How is my decision to wear hijab, or Hadia Mubarak's decision, or Betty Boop's if she wanted to for that matter harm you or anyone else in any way whatsoever?? Live and let live. Also, love thy neighbour. That one's in the Bible, in case you haven't noticed.
Can you say something MORE ignorant and uninformed? And your Aristotelian logic display is nothing to be proud about either.
Can those people who dislike and hate Islam please just say that at the beginning, why do u spend so much of you're ever shortening time span and life on earth writing things you have no basis or rationale for except for what seems like personal animosity. Why the charade? I say you have no basis for it because I used to be one of you, a muslim-hating christian, then a religion-hating atheist. I studied and continue to study Islam like none of you EVER have and I have never found the first thing wrong with it. I looked. I specifically looked for the inconsistencies, the flaws, etc. However, when i found what i assumed to be one, a "gotcha" i made sure i asked the most knowledgeable muslim I could find. He/She didn't evade the question, they explained it perfectly from Islam's many religious sources that are documented, many are even translated. At the end of this time, I HAD to become muslim. But that's the difference, asking someone who knows and someone who doesn't and makes up stuff which pretty much every christian pastor does.
As muslims we know you hate us, we know you hate our religion (the Quran tells us all about you), most of you it seems don't believe in God or have taken yourselves as god. This we expect, its been that way since the beginning. We know it bothers you that so many people are becoming muslim.
However, we will do everything in our power to make sure that terrorists will not harm you (whether they are Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist or call themselves Muslim), that we will speak out against them, inform on them to local authorities if we know or see anything, all so you can live a relatively useless and fear-filled life clinging to your money and wealth, trying to lose weight and find the next sale at the mall.
You can change all that by learning about the statement "There is nothing worthy of worship except God and no man is worthy of being followed except Muhammad, the Last Messenger of God."
You need to look at your own book, that's been changed and twisted over the years, as admitted by every biblical scholar. That is full of anti-woman passages. That is laced with genocidal violence. Do u know why various groups who end with "ite" like Amorites are not around anymore to be scared of Jews and Christians, because they were all exterminated as documented in the Old Testament. Why have muslims let Christians and Jews always live with them over the centuries, as is apparent with a kindergartener's understanding of history, if we are so bent on killing all of you? The fact that this is a rhetorical question and defeats not only your's but everyone's asinine arguments and comments on here, I hope and pray will not go unnoticed.
After that, you should sit down and have someone explain any passage/verse, ill be happy to with the knowledge i have, that you find objectionable and then we'll see. If you are not willing to do that you are intellectually and juridically (i.e. you have no sense of fairness or justice) retarded and therefore there is NO WAY you raised your son or any other of your children except to be a concealed degenerate who is hopelessly teetering like so many of my other american friends on the brink of their physical or mental end. That is unless Allah guides them.
What christians have trouble with is not only do they worship Jesus, peace be upon him, a man who walked on the earth, but they also deny him and his message.
Jesus ordered women to go around with their head covered as well as foretelling of the coming of a great comforter, Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. Paul, who legally sanctioned lying, in order to spread christianity and abolish the laws and rules Jesus followed, ordered women not to wear gold or pearls or costly clothes. Will christians simply stand up and admit they follow what they want to follow, leave what they want to leave, and then bastardize everything else? Of course not. Be the hedonists that you are, declare it openly and proudly but that gives you very little moral standing when you are trying to tell everyone else what to do.
I would not want to have to tell most American mothers but all of you who thinks it says something personally about your child-rearing abilities that muslim women wear hijab, then I would have to if asked tell the truth. What Sister Hadia, may Allah bless and keep her, didn't mention in her statistics was how many abortions the US people are the proud non-parents of each year, millions. And that's just how many girls get pregnant. This doesn't count the ones who follow thru with the pregnancy. This doesn't count the number of girls with all kinds of diseases they get and they live with. But i am not singling out my country alone. I am a white american, just as apple pie as the rest of you who think you own it, but there are problems all over the world. But its a known fact that if u look up AIDS statistics in Africa. The countries most affected are Christian and the non-christian tribal regions. In the city of Rochester, NY, it was reported that 72% of all girls in the third largest city in NY, are sexually active based on a high school written survey.
It's ironic that the racist white christians who founded the US thought africans "heathen" and often pointed to their lack of clothing or nakednes altogether as beign an issue...if they could only see their progeny at any local mall.
Surprisingly no one has commented on the frequency of dressing little girls in hijab in America. Outside Dar Al-Hijra mosque I saw a man leading a child by the hand as she stumbled along in a full black chador that was much too long. In this area of N. Virginia one sees more and more little girls wearing headscarves as well. Islamists have bought into ideologies such as Sayyid Qutb's that America is depraved. Of all segregating cultural motifs, morality is the most popular according a recent study just reported by the Washington Post. Certainly this appears true from the rationale for wearing hijab as presented in this forum. May I remind that the Muslim Brotherhood's goal is to form a society within American society and in one respect the frequency of hijab could be seen an indicator of how this fundamentalist goal is progressing.
Surprisingly no one has commented on the frequency of dressing little girls in hijab in America. Outside Dar Al-Hijra mosque I saw a man leading a child by the hand as she stumbled along in a full black chador that was much too long. In this area of N. Virginia one sees more and more little girls wearing headscarves as well. Islamists have bought into ideologies such as Sayyid Qutb's that America is depraved. Of all segregating cultural motifs, morality is the most popular according a recent study just reported by the Washington Post. Certainly this appears true from the rationale for wearing hijab as presented in this forum. May I remind that the Muslim Brotherhood's goal is to form a society within American society and in one respect the frequency of hijab could be seen an indicator of how this fundamentalist goal is progressing.
Converts living in the West must never defend the hijab because they know absolutely nothing about what bothers those who see and know what it really signifies. The hijab is a form of female subjugation, it is simply the extension of purdah; an Islamic form of female subjugation. I wish female Muslim converts would live in predominant Muslim countries once they convert, there they would see first hand how "liberating" the purdah (hijab) really is, I would like to hear of that "power" they talk about or about wanting to wear the burka, hijab, nikab for Allah.
The feeling of power is only in the West because in the West they are making a statement, there is no freedom lost it's only a matter of wearing a different dress one that they know defies the norm.
In Islam - True Islam, a woman must stay within four walls or be confined to her home space. If or when she leaves the four walls she must observe purdah if she is an observing subjugated muslima. Many if not ALL women in Muslim countries suffer because of the curse of Purdah, it is a severe form of female oppression. They are kept from working, they cannot pay bills - In most Islamic countries people pay their bills by physically going to the banks. Heat, lack of transport pause great burdens for women who have no male in their families. Males typically buy the groceries, pay the bills, run errands, drive the cars etc. in their absence the woman must do all this and that too wear the stupid encumbering Islamic dress that is not practical but a huge hindrance. This is not trivial; it is a human rights problem that is simply not addressed.
By condoning and glorifying this hideous form of female abuse in the West we are making sure that women of all faiths continue to suffer under the curse of Islamic purdah that was not only practiced by their prophet Mohammed but is carried on till this day. Shame on those people who say they are doing this for their God, God does not want your face hidden, if He did then he would have created you with a tent. It’s a faulty thought, it’s like a car manufacturer that makes a bad product and sends a patch to all its customers, is Allah imperfect? That he made a mistake? Now the "solution" is to cover up?
Muslim women wearing the hijab never concerned me before 9/11. Now it does and it will be so until the Muslims cleanse their book of death aka the koran of all militaristic and anti-female passages.
After reading many comments by many of you who regard the hijab as an insult to their sensibilities and who claim that there is no basis in Islam for the hijab and that Muslim women should lay aside the hijab and espouse western values of modesty so they can fit in I have the following two comments.
1. As a native american of Cherokee decent living in Oklahoma, it really comes off as history repeating itself to hear this kind of bigoted drivel coming from supposedly educated people. One hundred years ago the same argument was made against the Indian peoples of my state. Boys and men should cut their hair, stop speaking their native languages, and live in houses so they can be part of the greater American society for their own good. They cannot be happy living like that, they need European/white values so they can truely be happy. They must integrate or die. Native dress is a symbol of resistance to the American way of life and a slap in the face to intigration. We know, far better than them, what is good for them.Our culture/heritage/religion/philosophy is superior and so must be adopted...... All of this is social psychology, the dominant culture sees any deviance from minority groups as a rejection....a good example of this phenomenon is seen from reading many of the posts here. It is very interesting to see that the hijab bothers so many...especially when they don't wear it and it impacts their life in no way.
2. I am also a Muslim women who wears hijab and I have noticed that some people become very disturbed when you want to be modest. Frankly the objectification of women that was cited as a reason for hijab is a very ligitimate one and needs to be considered in a larger debate on the nature of our society as a whole. Many Muslim women have a deep understanding of why God has asked that women (and men) observe modest dress and behavior. You are seeing a multitude of young Muslim women flocking to the veil. There are several reasons behind this 1) to practice thier own religion 2)as a reminder of what really matters in life i.e. morality, intelligence, and a life focused on the worship of God. Too many young girls are learning in this society that all that matters is how skinny you are, what your measurements are, and if you are attractive. This is a terrible trajedy as evidenced by the amount of young girls getting breast implants, the increase in depression among girls after the age of 13, anorexia ect. Muslim girls who wear hijab understand that what is on the inside matters more and refuse to buy into the Paris Hilton lifestyle 3) a rejection of the idea that in order to be successful or accepted you have to adapt western fashion, finally 4) a growing sense of Muslim identity worldwide which is growing everyday.
Maryjane: ``Alot of you Islamophobes have absolutely NO IDEA what you're talking about. You exemplify the teachings of a religion solely by the actions of a certain group of people from a specific country. Just because a few extremist believers who identify themselves as being "muslims" decide to run a plane into a building, doesn't mean that Islam teaches its disciples to terrorize and kill innocent people or "non-believers." Just because the Taliban oppressed the Afghan women and forced them to voer head to toe, doesn't mean every single Muslim women is oppressed and forced into wearing it.``
Actually Maryjane the Islamist movement is not but a few handful of extremists, you seem to be ignoring the extent of influence exercised by radical muslims across the mid east. Just look at the red mosque siege just recently in Pakistan.
If atrocities are being perpetrated in the name of Islam then both Islam and individual extremists should be held accountable. It takes very specific reasons for an entire government to decide to cover up women or else they risk legal punishment. These specific reasons pertain to the religion of Islam itself, as I said in previous posts you cant have such acts prop up in an ideological vacuum.
You accuse us of Islamophobia and enjoy putting yourself on a moral high-horse just because you feel you are defending an entire community. You are so adamant in apologising for violence perpetrated in the name of Islam and that in my opinion is morally deplorable and is counter-productive to this discussion...With your kind of ignorant rhetoric the muslim world will only continue to plunge into an abyss of religious fanaticism and we shall never get to the bottom of the debate between state and society in the muslim world.
Enjoy playing the naive relativist card, but do please remember that people are dying in the name of religion, especially Islam...It seems to me you have lost any sense of decency or respect for humanity by just pretending that these people were killed by a bunch of lunatics and that any other argument is a smokescreen for western imperialism.
On a side note leave the personal attacks at the end of your posts to yourself, it only makes your arguments seem much more ridiculous then they already are...
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Ms. Hadia Mubarak
You say: I'm wondering if you're aware of rape statistics in America: "Every two and a half minutes, somewhere in America, someone is sexually assaulted. One in six American women are victims of sexual assault, and one in 33 men. In 2004-2005, there were an average annual 200,780 victims of rape, attempted rape or sexual assault. About 44% of rape victims are under age 18..." (see http://www.rainn.org/statistics/index.html)
These women are ALWAYS victims, under every circumstance
And I say:
Where are the statistics for rape and incest in Islamic countries?
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You say: I'm wondering if you're aware of rape statistics in America: "Every two and a half minutes, somewhere in America, someone is sexually assaulted. One in six American women are victims of sexual assault, and one in 33 men. In 2004-2005, there were an average annual 200,780 victims of rape, attempted rape or sexual assault. About 44% of rape victims are under age 18..." (see http://www.rainn.org/statistics/index.html)
These women are ALWAYS victims, under every circumstance
And I say:
Where are the statistics for rape and incest in Islamic countries?
October 14, 2007 7:29 AM | Report Offensive Comments
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Rape statistics - er -what about Darfur? Even Mohammet was a rapist according to the hadith.
It was part and parcel of the enslavement, booty and slaughter in the agressive battles he took part in from Medina to fund his and his followers lifestyle and spread Islam within Arabia.
After leaving Mecca, Mohammed (now widowed) married Sauda, a widow from Medina, but returned to Mecca to marry the young Aisha for no other reason than he fancied a trophy wife. Plus all the rest!
On his return to Medina the plundering of caravans and battles with other tribes commenced, all of which were planned by Mohammed and in most of which he took part. After his death eight years later when all of Arabia had been converted to Islam, the invasion of the Mediterranean and Middle Eastern countries started - again for the loot, lands and wealth they contained.
In India over seventy million Hindus were slaughtered and like the other captured lands most religious symbols were destroyed and replaced by mosques. Islam does not have a proud history.
And Islam has never stopped - it still lives off other countries as Arabias new wealth goes mainly to funding the spread of Islam, madrassas and terrorist groups - not the poorer Muslim countries who so desperately need help. They are still enslaved by Islam and have nothing, unlike the west, to offer so do not attract Islamic aid or charity.
Islam is about power and control. It is a philosophy and a way of life that allows Muslim males to do whatever they want, to whoever they want as long as they can say it is in defence of Islam.
And your defence of this flawed ideology is your Hijab. Read your history, the Koran, Hadeeths and Mohammed's biography, then justify your religious thinking.
October 13, 2007 12:29 AM | Report Offensive Comments
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Yes, Islam really dignified women by hijab; only truth is you know very little about women rights in Islam. Besides hijab Allah also wanted from women following.
Please read below some information about you in Islam.
Women rights in Islam as per Quran:
2:228, And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a degree (of advantage) over them
2:230, So if a husband divorces his wife (irrevocably), He cannot, after that, re-marry her until after she has married another husband and He has divorced her
2:282, and get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her.
4:3, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.
4:11-12, Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children’s (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females:
4:34, Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.
53:27, Those who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names
66:10, Allah sets forth, for an example to the Unbelievers, the wife of Noah and the wife of Lut: they were (respectively) under two of our righteous servants, but they were false to their (husbands), and they profited nothing before Allah on their account, but were told: “Enter ye the Fire along with (others) that enter!”
Women rights as per Sahi Hadiths:
It is forbidden for a woman to be seen by any man except her husband when she is made up or well-dressed. (TR. P 430)
3. A woman is not a believer if she undertakes a journey which may last three days or longer, unless she is accompanied by her husband, son, father or brother. (TR. P 431 )
4. A woman must veil herself even in the presence of her husband's father, brother and other male relations. (TR. P 432)
5. She is forbidden to spend any money without the permission of her husband, and it includes giving food to the needy or feast to friends. (TR. P 265)
6. A wife is forbidden to perform extra prayers (NAFAL) or observe fasting (other than RAMADAN) without the permission of her husband. (TR. P 300)
7. If prostration were a legitimate act other than to God, woman should have prostrated to her husband. (TR. P 428)
8. If a man is in a mood to have sexual intercourse woman must come immediately even if she is baking bread at a communal oven. (TR. P 428) 9. The marriage of woman to her man is not substantive. It is precarious. For example if the father of the husband orders his son to divorce his wife, he must do so. (TR. P 440)
11. Majority of women would go to hell. (Muslim P 1431)
12. If a woman refuses to come to bed when invited by her husband, she becomes the target of the curses of angles. Exactly the same happens if she deserts her husband's bed. (Bokhari P 93)
13. The women who are ungrateful to their men, are the denizens of hell; it is an act of ingratitude for a woman to say: "I have never seen any good from you." (Bokhari P 96)
14. A woman in many ways is deprived of the possession of her own body. Even her milk belongs to her husband. (Bokhari P 27)
September 9, 2007 2:58 PM | Report Offensive Comments
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Below are comemnts by a reader of my article on Islamic mumbo-jumbo. This readers explain about all organized religions:
"I expose the falsehoods of all man made religions. These religions are just for business purpose. Arab religion is a derivative of Hindu religion. In Hindu religion the religious class is asking the masses to worship the stones. Shiv linga and parvati stones are the famous stones. Shiv linga is a male sexual organ and parvati is a female sexual organ. The Arabs have taken the parvati stone to mecca and calling it a holy stone came directly from paradise .How stupid and ignorant are the followers of this religion. The Hindus are spinning around the stone in India seven times clockwise and the stupid followers of Arab religions have just made one change....They made it to anticlockwise....What a great change .This parvati stone is a outstretched vagina, through which head of a baby is delivering out. The followers of Arab religions including the converts are saluting and surrendering their heads to this stone three or five times a day. They are kissing this stone (Parvati vagina and head of baby)during their very holy holy pilgrimage. If you will disclose to them this reality of worshiping the stone, they will desperately reply.. "no we are not worshiping stone, we are worshiping our god through this stone". What an intelligent answer . Stupid followers of a sadist god. He create them and asking them to raise their asses many times a day.
These poor followers are scarred of these gods. He has threatened them if they will not worship him, he will screw them in hereafter life. At other place this god has used another weapon "sex in the paradise",72 virgins for men. But no body ask this god,what about females, what they will get? I think Arab god is gay god, jealous of females .
Yousef Tabish "
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Koranic immorality:
Allah allows pure Muslims to have sex with slave girls
By Syed Kamran Mirza
8/10/2005
Holy Quran emphatically permitted all pukka (pure) Muslims to have sex with their slave girls and concubines. Below are some of the Quranic verses on this issue of slave girls.
(QURAN - 70:22-30): "Not so the worshippers, who are steadfast in prayer, who set aside a due portion of their wealth for the beggar and for the deprived, who truly believe in the Day of Reckoning and dread the punishment of their Lord (for none is secure from the punishment of their Lord); who restrain their carnal desire, save with their wives and their slave girls, for these are lawful to them: he that lusts after other than these is a transgressor..."
This verse very clearly stated that Quran allows Muslim men to have sex with their wives (of course) and their slave girls too.
(QURAN - 23:5,6): "...who restrain their carnal desires (except with their wives and slave girls, for these are lawful to them..."
Again, Quran allows Muslim men to have sexual relations with their wives and slave girls.
(QURAN - 4:24): "And all married women are forbidden unto you save those captives whom your right hand possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. (Muhammad Pickthall's English translation of the Quran).
In this above verse Allah clearly says Muslims to have sex with captives (Booty from POWs) that they get from war booty.
(QURAN - 33:50):
"Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty;..."
This above verse is for Prophet Muhammad. Supposedly, Allah (SBT.) allows Prophet Muhammad to have sex with his slave girls he got from war booty.
The above verses are only a few I have mentioned out of numerous such verses scattered throughout the Quran. What could be more unethical matter than having sex with slave girls? Allah (SBT) graciously allowed Muslims to have sex with slave girls and captives from the war (POWs). Prophet Muhammad himself and his disciples routinely used to have sex with their slave girls. Besides having numerous wives, Prophet Muhammad had many concubines and slaves girls with whom he had sex. This fact can be supported by hadiths and al-sira.
To this above Quranic verses, some Islamic apologists will try to tell us that, actually Allah asked Muslims to marry those slave/concubines before they can have sex with them. Now let me explain some catch before some Islamic apologists try to sugar-coat these immoral Quranic verses:
Quran-4:24—“ Also forbidden are married women unless they are captives (of war), such is the decree of God. Lawful for you are women besides them if you seek them with your wealth for wedlock and not for debauchery.”
Quran-33:50—"Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty;..."
The above two Quranic verses are from Maulana Yousuf Ali’s translated Quran. Now let me examine the very meanings of verse (4:24)- “ Also forbidden are married women unless they are captives (of war), such is the decree of God. Lawful for you are women besides them if you seek them with your wealth for wedlock and not for debauchery.”
Readers please carefully read the above verse. The verse is unambiguously saying the following: you can not have sex with other people’s married women but if she is captives of war then it’s Okay to have sex with her because Allah permitted that; other women (besides captives and other people’s wives) are also lawful for having sex after you marry them with your money. Does not this verse very clearly establish the fact that Muslim men can have sex with women received from the war booty (Ganimater maal)?
If you marry your slave girl, will she still remain as the slave for ever? After you marry your slave girl do you still call her a slave? Will you call her my slave wife and the other my dowry wife? Do you still separate them as slave and free women? Why then Allah should tell about your wife in two different categories? Fact of the matter is, Allah permitted Muslims to have sex with slave girls and concubines (received from war booty).
Many Middle Eastern Muslims countries still follows Quranic privilege of having sex with their slave girls. In Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and other Islamic paradise Arab Muslim masters are routinely having sex with their maids even today. Frequently we get to read many horrific cases of sex-scandals about maids in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere. Very recently we read the news of numerous (hundreds of) sex-scandals with Indonesian maids in Saudi Arabia and this uncivilized custom still prevailing in the most Muslims countries even today?
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Dear Hadia,
Your hijab can not hide your beauty at all; rather it exposes your extreme beauty of your face having lustful lips, rosey cheeks, sexy eyes etc. So what is your point of covering your hair only? I think this hijab is serving the purpose of subjugating women by men. Because, in islam women are the devout servants of men.
SKM
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In Australia's New South Wales Supreme Court in December 2005, a visiting Pakistani rapist testified that his victims had no right to say no, because they were not wearing a headscarf.
And earlier this year Australians were outraged when Lebanese Sheik Faiz Mohammed gave a lecture in Sydney where he informed his audience that rape victims had no one to blame but themselves. Women, he said, who wore skimpy clothing, invited men to rape them.
A few months earlier, in Copenhagen, Islamic mufti and scholar, Shahid Mehdi created uproar when – like his peer in Australia – he stated that women who did not wear a headscarf were asking to be raped
August 9, 2007 12:20 PM | Report Offensive Comments
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In Australia's New South Wales Supreme Court in December 2005, a visiting Pakistani rapist testified that his victims had no right to say no, because they were not wearing a headscarf.
And earlier this year Australians were outraged when Lebanese Sheik Faiz Mohammed gave a lecture in Sydney where he informed his audience that rape victims had no one to blame but themselves. Women, he said, who wore skimpy clothing, invited men to rape them.
A few months earlier, in Copenhagen, Islamic mufti and scholar, Shahid Mehdi created uproar when – like his peer in Australia – he stated that women who did not wear a headscarf were asking to be raped
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Posted on August 9, 2007 12:20
In Australia's New South Wales Supreme Court in December 2005, a visiting Pakistani rapist testified that his victims had no right to say no, because they were not wearing a headscarf.
And earlier this year Australians were outraged when Lebanese Sheik Faiz Mohammed gave a lecture in Sydney where he informed his audience that rape victims had no one to blame but themselves. Women, he said, who wore skimpy clothing, invited men to rape them.
A few months earlier, in Copenhagen, Islamic mufti and scholar, Shahid Mehdi created uproar when – like his peer in Australia – he stated that women who did not wear a headscarf were asking to be raped
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Posted on August 9, 2007 12:20
In Australia's New South Wales Supreme Court in December 2005, a visiting Pakistani rapist testified that his victims had no right to say no, because they were not wearing a headscarf.
And earlier this year Australians were outraged when Lebanese Sheik Faiz Mohammed gave a lecture in Sydney where he informed his audience that rape victims had no one to blame but themselves. Women, he said, who wore skimpy clothing, invited men to rape them.
A few months earlier, in Copenhagen, Islamic mufti and scholar, Shahid Mehdi created uproar when – like his peer in Australia – he stated that women who did not wear a headscarf were asking to be raped
August 9, 2007 11:59 AM | Report Offensive Comments
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In Australia's New South Wales Supreme Court in December 2005, a visiting Pakistani rapist testified that his victims had no right to say no, because they were not wearing a headscarf.
And earlier this year Australians were outraged when Lebanese Sheik Faiz Mohammed gave a lecture in Sydney where he informed his audience that rape victims had no one to blame but themselves. Women, he said, who wore skimpy clothing, invited men to rape them.
A few months earlier, in Copenhagen, Islamic mufti and scholar, Shahid Mehdi created uproar when – like his peer in Australia – he stated that women who did not wear a headscarf were asking to be raped
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Posted on August 9, 2007 11:59
I just want to thank D. Goebel for saying all that needs to be said. The foundation of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam is that you love God with all your soul and that you love your neighbor like yourself.
If you do not believe in God, which is fine (for many years I did not, and my faith still wavers), remember that with these religions, for the first time in history, people were asked to love beyond themselves, to look past their petty and selfish existences to care about and love others. Most secular humanists agree that these are valuable morals in society.
I too, struggle with the details beyond these fundamentals. How could God ask a man to kill his son? If Jesus died to save us from our sin, how come we still live in a world where people wrong each other constantly? Why is it that men's supposed sinful nature falls upon women so that *they* must wear restrictive clothing and avoid leading religious services attended by men?
I just hope that people of any religion or no religion at all remember that online or otherwise, care for our fellow human beings is the responsibility of all.
There is a difference between disagreeing and attacking, between discussing and squabbling.
August 8, 2007 2:05 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on August 8, 2007 02:05
Hadia knows that she will elicit ridicule from people by what she chooses to wear. The thing it doesn't bother her. So criticize what she does for God all you want, she knows it's coming. This is why hijab isn't worn for men or for non-Muslims or for other Muslims, it's about God and His creation.
Empty criticisms won't get Muslim women to take it off. What about the people that spam these comments? I wish they cold be removed. ugh
Go Hadia! Keep fighting the good fight!
August 7, 2007 12:34 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on August 7, 2007 12:34
Hi
I would like to say that 90% of what our moslims nations practicing is not from Islam. Its complitly contradicting the tru Islam.
Such as Hijab, Khalifa & Baia , the prohibited things such as drinking, dancing, music, girl friends, converting to another belive, ...
The moslims teachers and sects wrote books in the name of Mohamad to make people belive in what they wrote.
The moslims teachers insult the tru islam and thinkink only about sex . They made our womens as a slaves they should be coverd all time ......
A question for moslimsD if a women should have Hijab then why God didnot put any punishment in the quraan if the women refused it?
Thanks God that USA do exist to helpe us to eliminate the fake islam and to practice the tru one
Mohamad
Specialist in Ideology
August 6, 2007 4:48 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on August 6, 2007 04:48
arif- it is evident you have no idea whatsoever what a "white" revert to islam in america experiences.
your statement is obviously based on what you imagine, and not what is reality.
your borderline hatred of islam, and outright racism are out of place in this conversation.
August 4, 2007 6:24 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on August 4, 2007 18:24
Melissa, In the 7th century arabia, christians, jews, pagans were free to keep unlimited number of wives. By allowing four wives, Islam was not encouraging men to take up four wives. It was in fact restricting the number a man could have. However note that in Islamic shariat law, marriage is a buisness contract in which the woman proposes to the man and the man accepts. Because the woman is the "seller" and the man is the "buyer", She can come up with any pre-nuptial agreement including demanding a monogomous marriage. This the reason why today muslim marriages are far more likely to be monogmaous than western marriages. The prophet of Islam gave women the power to dictate any terms and during pre nuptial. Unfortunately in many muslim countries, it is the parents who deny their own daughters the birth rights.
August 3, 2007 9:49 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on August 3, 2007 21:49
Melissa, In the 7th century arabia, christians, jews, pagans were free to keep unlimited number of wives. By allowing four wives, Islam was not encouraging men to take up four wives. It was in fact restricting the number a man could have. However note that in Islamic shariat law, marriage is a buisness contract in which the woman proposes to the man and the man accepts. Because the woman is the "seller" and the man is the "buyer", She can come up with any pre-nuptial agreement including demanding a monogomous marriage. This the reason why today muslim marriages are far more likely to be monogmaous than western marriages. The prophet of Islam gave women the power to dictate any terms and during pre nuptial. Unfortunately in many muslim countries, it is the parents who deny their own daughters the birth rights.
August 3, 2007 9:46 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on August 3, 2007 21:46
Australian ad on Ebay: "This Hijab are perfect for evening wear, yet still beautiful for wearing during day and night times. Specially During Exciting moments of Weddings and parties these hijab make you Attractive and very Special. And you feel it.Size is 110cm by 110cm. OUR PRODUCTIONS are for all age group no matter whether you are old and kid or young- no matter wherever you are from- they all are designed according to your needs."
I should add that hijab offers a certain je ne c'est quois charm as a last-minute fashion accessory: ….when you discover you have gotten so fat you can't fit into any of your party dresses. Or don't have time to shampoo your greasy hair or bathe; hijab also allows you to sweat prolifically yet discretely! While no one will offer you champagne at the fetes mentioned above, carrying your own flask undetected should not be a problem, along with your holster and other weaponry to fend off Legendary Depraved American Male Rapists, should any be attending.
August 2, 2007 10:05 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on August 2, 2007 10:05
Australian ad on Ebay: "This Hijab are perfect for evening wear, yet still beautiful for wearing during day and night times. Specially During Exciting moments of Weddings and parties these hijab make you Attractive and very Special. And you feel it.Size is 110cm by 110cm. OUR PRODUCTIONS are for all age group no matter whether you are old and kid or young- no matter wherever you are from- they all are designed according to your needs."
I should add that hijab offers a certain je ne c'est quois charm as a last-minute fashion accessory: ….when you discover you have gotten so fat you can't fit into any of your party dresses. Or don't have time to shampoo your greasy hair or bathe; hijab also allows you to sweat prolifically yet discretely! While no one will offer you champagne at the fetes mentioned above, carrying your own flask undetected should not be a problem, along with your holster and other weaponry to fend off Legendary Depraved American Male Rapists, should any be attending.
August 2, 2007 10:05 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on August 2, 2007 10:05
The hijab speaks unfortunate volumes about Muslim men.
July 31, 2007 9:20 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 31, 2007 09:20
Arif I couldn't agree with you more! There's definitely a disconnect when it comes to westerners and their converting to Islam.
July 30, 2007 11:19 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 30, 2007 23:19
Ismael Byrd the "white" convert. You know that Muslims love white converts don't you? An American makes it even better. If you are college educated it's a feather in the hat for the imam at whose hands you converted (you love REVERT don't you?), we see your story in those pamphlets and those videos that Muslims proudly show. They need you, they need assurance that Islam is not as stupid as they dare think it is for see we have a "White" convert.
You never answered a single thing I said about the curse of the purdah, the 4-walls concept of Islam for women but instead you rambled about me hating Islam, typical of Muslims, cant respond then claim Islamophobia, racist... what are you going to call me? A Kafir?
Now how could I be ignorant and uninformed? I was a Muslim for many generations and lived in one of those Muslim cesspools that makes news so often; news that makes Islam sound more stupid than you'd dare think. I tell you what, you go to any Islamic country (pick one) and live there, get a job and raise a family, granted you are a white convert which will get you favors that normal "natives" don't enjoy, however even with your favors you won't last long, your women will long to leave and go back to the kafirs.
You absolutely have no idea what an average citizen in a Muslim country goes through, let alone a poor woman with very little resources. You are the kind who can be seen sitting and chatting in the Muslim shop eating those tasty "Hilal" Gyro sandwiches, with a beard that looks more like fluff uttering words like, Alhumdullah!, Mashallah!, Bismillah! At every chance you get, you have no idea how stupid that sounds.
Your words;
"As muslims we know you hate us, we know you hate our religion (the Quran tells us all about you)"
sweet heart, if you had any brains you'd realize Mohammed said those words, he was the conniving maniac that the Kafirs could not stand, they laughed at his multiple wives, his child bride, his rapes, his loot, his plunder and above all else his claim to be a "Prophet".
Please explain why Allah needs his women to hide their hair and bodies for him? Ask that imam of yours before you spout off more rubbish.
July 30, 2007 11:01 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 30, 2007 23:01
for Ismael only,
As with many of us, you suffer from the three B's i.e you were Bren, Born and Brainwashed into your religion and in your case Islam.
For a synopsis of the flaws in foundations of all contemporary religions to include Islam see below. Please peruse and refute any of the conclusions with historical records.
1. Abraham founder/father of three major religions was probably a mythical character. If he was real, he was at best a combination of at least three men. 1.5 million Conservative Jews and their rabbis have relegated Abraham to the myth pile along with most if not all the OT.
2. Jesus, the illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter possibly suffering from hallucinations, has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth. Analyses of his life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, On Faith panelists)via the NT and related documents have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian/Jewish/Pagan sects.
3. Mohammed, an illiterate, hallucinating Arab, also had embellishing/hallucinating scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the Koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.
This agenda continues as shown by the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers , the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers , the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani koranics, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases and the Filipino koranics with most of this misery being funded by the third Axis of Evil aka Iran.
4. Luther, Calvin, Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley et al, founders of Christian-based religions, also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingy thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immaculate conceptions).
5. Hinduism (from an online Hindu site) - "Hinduism cannot be described as an organized religion. It is not founded by any individual. Hinduism is God centred and therefore one can call Hinduism as founded by God, because the answer to the question ‘Who is behind the eternal principles and who makes them work?’ will have to be ‘Cosmic power, Divine power, God’"
The caste/laborer system and cow worship are problems when saying a fair and rational God founded Hinduism."
6. Buddhism- "Buddhism began in India about 500 years before the birth of Christ. The people living at that time had become disillusioned with certain beliefs of Hinduism including the caste system, which had grown extremely complex. The number of outcasts (those who did not belong to any particular caste) was continuing to grow."
"However, in Buddhism, like so many other religions, fanciful stories arose concerning events in the life of the founder, Siddhartha Gautama (fifth century B.C.):"
Archaeological discoveries have proved, beyond a doubt, his historical character, but apart from the legends we know very little about the circumstances of his life.
http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/BUDDHISM/SIDD.HTM
Bottom line: There are many good ways of living but be aware of the hallucinations/embellishments and myths surrounding the founders of said rules of life.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus for an analysis of Jesus' life to include his illiteracy.
July 30, 2007 10:25 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 30, 2007 22:25
Halozcel:
If I am to be compared to anything that sits on a chessboard, it's the queen.
While it is unfortunate that women is so many Muslim countries ARE forced to wear the hijab and sometimes the burqa, this is un-Islamic. A main teaching of Islam is "there is no compulsion in religion." The governments of these countries are NOT following Islam, though they may think they are. Look it up, wiseguy, and I don't mean on wehatemuslims.com!
As I was saying, women may be forced to wear hijab in other countries, it is not the case here in America. For the last time, and try to get it through your thick skull, WEARING HIJAB IS MY CHOICE. If it wasn't, I would be ripping it off the minute I stepped out the door. Guess what? I keep it on.
I don't know why it is so hard for you to accept this. How is my decision to wear hijab, or Hadia Mubarak's decision, or Betty Boop's if she wanted to for that matter harm you or anyone else in any way whatsoever?? Live and let live. Also, love thy neighbour. That one's in the Bible, in case you haven't noticed.
July 30, 2007 6:51 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 30, 2007 18:51
Arif,
Can you say something MORE ignorant and uninformed? And your Aristotelian logic display is nothing to be proud about either.
Can those people who dislike and hate Islam please just say that at the beginning, why do u spend so much of you're ever shortening time span and life on earth writing things you have no basis or rationale for except for what seems like personal animosity. Why the charade? I say you have no basis for it because I used to be one of you, a muslim-hating christian, then a religion-hating atheist. I studied and continue to study Islam like none of you EVER have and I have never found the first thing wrong with it. I looked. I specifically looked for the inconsistencies, the flaws, etc. However, when i found what i assumed to be one, a "gotcha" i made sure i asked the most knowledgeable muslim I could find. He/She didn't evade the question, they explained it perfectly from Islam's many religious sources that are documented, many are even translated. At the end of this time, I HAD to become muslim. But that's the difference, asking someone who knows and someone who doesn't and makes up stuff which pretty much every christian pastor does.
As muslims we know you hate us, we know you hate our religion (the Quran tells us all about you), most of you it seems don't believe in God or have taken yourselves as god. This we expect, its been that way since the beginning. We know it bothers you that so many people are becoming muslim.
However, we will do everything in our power to make sure that terrorists will not harm you (whether they are Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist or call themselves Muslim), that we will speak out against them, inform on them to local authorities if we know or see anything, all so you can live a relatively useless and fear-filled life clinging to your money and wealth, trying to lose weight and find the next sale at the mall.
You can change all that by learning about the statement "There is nothing worthy of worship except God and no man is worthy of being followed except Muhammad, the Last Messenger of God."
July 30, 2007 6:50 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 30, 2007 18:50
"Concerned the Christian Now Liberated",
You need to look at your own book, that's been changed and twisted over the years, as admitted by every biblical scholar. That is full of anti-woman passages. That is laced with genocidal violence. Do u know why various groups who end with "ite" like Amorites are not around anymore to be scared of Jews and Christians, because they were all exterminated as documented in the Old Testament. Why have muslims let Christians and Jews always live with them over the centuries, as is apparent with a kindergartener's understanding of history, if we are so bent on killing all of you? The fact that this is a rhetorical question and defeats not only your's but everyone's asinine arguments and comments on here, I hope and pray will not go unnoticed.
After that, you should sit down and have someone explain any passage/verse, ill be happy to with the knowledge i have, that you find objectionable and then we'll see. If you are not willing to do that you are intellectually and juridically (i.e. you have no sense of fairness or justice) retarded and therefore there is NO WAY you raised your son or any other of your children except to be a concealed degenerate who is hopelessly teetering like so many of my other american friends on the brink of their physical or mental end. That is unless Allah guides them.
What christians have trouble with is not only do they worship Jesus, peace be upon him, a man who walked on the earth, but they also deny him and his message.
Jesus ordered women to go around with their head covered as well as foretelling of the coming of a great comforter, Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. Paul, who legally sanctioned lying, in order to spread christianity and abolish the laws and rules Jesus followed, ordered women not to wear gold or pearls or costly clothes. Will christians simply stand up and admit they follow what they want to follow, leave what they want to leave, and then bastardize everything else? Of course not. Be the hedonists that you are, declare it openly and proudly but that gives you very little moral standing when you are trying to tell everyone else what to do.
I would not want to have to tell most American mothers but all of you who thinks it says something personally about your child-rearing abilities that muslim women wear hijab, then I would have to if asked tell the truth. What Sister Hadia, may Allah bless and keep her, didn't mention in her statistics was how many abortions the US people are the proud non-parents of each year, millions. And that's just how many girls get pregnant. This doesn't count the ones who follow thru with the pregnancy. This doesn't count the number of girls with all kinds of diseases they get and they live with. But i am not singling out my country alone. I am a white american, just as apple pie as the rest of you who think you own it, but there are problems all over the world. But its a known fact that if u look up AIDS statistics in Africa. The countries most affected are Christian and the non-christian tribal regions. In the city of Rochester, NY, it was reported that 72% of all girls in the third largest city in NY, are sexually active based on a high school written survey.
It's ironic that the racist white christians who founded the US thought africans "heathen" and often pointed to their lack of clothing or nakednes altogether as beign an issue...if they could only see their progeny at any local mall.
July 30, 2007 6:27 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 30, 2007 18:27
Surprisingly no one has commented on the frequency of dressing little girls in hijab in America. Outside Dar Al-Hijra mosque I saw a man leading a child by the hand as she stumbled along in a full black chador that was much too long. In this area of N. Virginia one sees more and more little girls wearing headscarves as well. Islamists have bought into ideologies such as Sayyid Qutb's that America is depraved. Of all segregating cultural motifs, morality is the most popular according a recent study just reported by the Washington Post. Certainly this appears true from the rationale for wearing hijab as presented in this forum. May I remind that the Muslim Brotherhood's goal is to form a society within American society and in one respect the frequency of hijab could be seen an indicator of how this fundamentalist goal is progressing.
July 30, 2007 6:02 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 30, 2007 18:02
Surprisingly no one has commented on the frequency of dressing little girls in hijab in America. Outside Dar Al-Hijra mosque I saw a man leading a child by the hand as she stumbled along in a full black chador that was much too long. In this area of N. Virginia one sees more and more little girls wearing headscarves as well. Islamists have bought into ideologies such as Sayyid Qutb's that America is depraved. Of all segregating cultural motifs, morality is the most popular according a recent study just reported by the Washington Post. Certainly this appears true from the rationale for wearing hijab as presented in this forum. May I remind that the Muslim Brotherhood's goal is to form a society within American society and in one respect the frequency of hijab could be seen an indicator of how this fundamentalist goal is progressing.
July 30, 2007 6:02 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 30, 2007 18:02
Converts living in the West must never defend the hijab because they know absolutely nothing about what bothers those who see and know what it really signifies. The hijab is a form of female subjugation, it is simply the extension of purdah; an Islamic form of female subjugation. I wish female Muslim converts would live in predominant Muslim countries once they convert, there they would see first hand how "liberating" the purdah (hijab) really is, I would like to hear of that "power" they talk about or about wanting to wear the burka, hijab, nikab for Allah.
The feeling of power is only in the West because in the West they are making a statement, there is no freedom lost it's only a matter of wearing a different dress one that they know defies the norm.
In Islam - True Islam, a woman must stay within four walls or be confined to her home space. If or when she leaves the four walls she must observe purdah if she is an observing subjugated muslima. Many if not ALL women in Muslim countries suffer because of the curse of Purdah, it is a severe form of female oppression. They are kept from working, they cannot pay bills - In most Islamic countries people pay their bills by physically going to the banks. Heat, lack of transport pause great burdens for women who have no male in their families. Males typically buy the groceries, pay the bills, run errands, drive the cars etc. in their absence the woman must do all this and that too wear the stupid encumbering Islamic dress that is not practical but a huge hindrance. This is not trivial; it is a human rights problem that is simply not addressed.
By condoning and glorifying this hideous form of female abuse in the West we are making sure that women of all faiths continue to suffer under the curse of Islamic purdah that was not only practiced by their prophet Mohammed but is carried on till this day. Shame on those people who say they are doing this for their God, God does not want your face hidden, if He did then he would have created you with a tent. It’s a faulty thought, it’s like a car manufacturer that makes a bad product and sends a patch to all its customers, is Allah imperfect? That he made a mistake? Now the "solution" is to cover up?
July 30, 2007 5:49 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 30, 2007 17:49
Muslim women wearing the hijab never concerned me before 9/11. Now it does and it will be so until the Muslims cleanse their book of death aka the koran of all militaristic and anti-female passages.
July 30, 2007 4:24 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 30, 2007 16:24
After reading many comments by many of you who regard the hijab as an insult to their sensibilities and who claim that there is no basis in Islam for the hijab and that Muslim women should lay aside the hijab and espouse western values of modesty so they can fit in I have the following two comments.
1. As a native american of Cherokee decent living in Oklahoma, it really comes off as history repeating itself to hear this kind of bigoted drivel coming from supposedly educated people. One hundred years ago the same argument was made against the Indian peoples of my state. Boys and men should cut their hair, stop speaking their native languages, and live in houses so they can be part of the greater American society for their own good. They cannot be happy living like that, they need European/white values so they can truely be happy. They must integrate or die. Native dress is a symbol of resistance to the American way of life and a slap in the face to intigration. We know, far better than them, what is good for them.Our culture/heritage/religion/philosophy is superior and so must be adopted...... All of this is social psychology, the dominant culture sees any deviance from minority groups as a rejection....a good example of this phenomenon is seen from reading many of the posts here. It is very interesting to see that the hijab bothers so many...especially when they don't wear it and it impacts their life in no way.
2. I am also a Muslim women who wears hijab and I have noticed that some people become very disturbed when you want to be modest. Frankly the objectification of women that was cited as a reason for hijab is a very ligitimate one and needs to be considered in a larger debate on the nature of our society as a whole. Many Muslim women have a deep understanding of why God has asked that women (and men) observe modest dress and behavior. You are seeing a multitude of young Muslim women flocking to the veil. There are several reasons behind this 1) to practice thier own religion 2)as a reminder of what really matters in life i.e. morality, intelligence, and a life focused on the worship of God. Too many young girls are learning in this society that all that matters is how skinny you are, what your measurements are, and if you are attractive. This is a terrible trajedy as evidenced by the amount of young girls getting breast implants, the increase in depression among girls after the age of 13, anorexia ect. Muslim girls who wear hijab understand that what is on the inside matters more and refuse to buy into the Paris Hilton lifestyle 3) a rejection of the idea that in order to be successful or accepted you have to adapt western fashion, finally 4) a growing sense of Muslim identity worldwide which is growing everyday.
July 30, 2007 2:57 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 30, 2007 14:57
Maryjane: ``Alot of you Islamophobes have absolutely NO IDEA what you're talking about. You exemplify the teachings of a religion solely by the actions of a certain group of people from a specific country. Just because a few extremist believers who identify themselves as being "muslims" decide to run a plane into a building, doesn't mean that Islam teaches its disciples to terrorize and kill innocent people or "non-believers." Just because the Taliban oppressed the Afghan women and forced them to voer head to toe, doesn't mean every single Muslim women is oppressed and forced into wearing it.``
Actually Maryjane the Islamist movement is not but a few handful of extremists, you seem to be ignoring the extent of influence exercised by radical muslims across the mid east. Just look at the red mosque siege just recently in Pakistan.
If atrocities are being perpetrated in the name of Islam then both Islam and individual extremists should be held accountable. It takes very specific reasons for an entire government to decide to cover up women or else they risk legal punishment. These specific reasons pertain to the religion of Islam itself, as I said in previous posts you cant have such acts prop up in an ideological vacuum.
You accuse us of Islamophobia and enjoy putting yourself on a moral high-horse just because you feel you are defending an entire community. You are so adamant in apologising for violence perpetrated in the name of Islam and that in my opinion is morally deplorable and is counter-productive to this discussion...With your kind of ignorant rhetoric the muslim world will only continue to plunge into an abyss of religious fanaticism and we shall never get to the bottom of the debate between state and society in the muslim world.
Enjoy playing the naive relativist card, but do please remember that people are dying in the name of religion, especially Islam...It seems to me you have lost any sense of decency or respect for humanity by just pretending that these people were killed by a bunch of lunatics and that any other argument is a smokescreen for western imperialism.
On a side note leave the personal attacks at the end of your posts to yourself, it only makes your arguments seem much more ridiculous then they already are...
July 30, 2007 2:51 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 30, 2007 14:51