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when one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity, whem many people suffer from a delusion, this is called religion...Robert M Pirsig why in the hell is faith being fancied over reason so much more often? and havent you wondered why we must die to enter heaven and meet god? hhmmm what good is ssomthing if you cant have it until you die? wait...science has taken human beings into heaven but this is not good enough, religion has been used to explain the unexplainable, rainbows, the sun, rain, famine drought ect. of course, these things were observed and found to be explainable and natural. how can people say their faith is the way, while others say "no mine is the way" and the only defense for either belief is a freaken book and ancient fairy tails if there is only one true religion, think of how many people must be wrong.

Hi LAJEEPDUDE,

For your first para, GOD has created all the things and He created poverty. But have you ever realized that what is this creations all about. Creating povertiy and richness at the same time has some meaning. Actually we are all being tested in this world. One is by giving money and one by giving hunger and poverty and in the end we will be rewarded according to our deeds.

Just look around and try to observe the World and try to realize the purpose of making all the things around. Moon, Sun, Stars all in a cyclic routine. Try to understand the purpose of all these things the purpose of your life.

And for you second para, our Islam doesnt say anything like what you have stated. Islam is the relegion that talks about love and infact we all have to answer for all what we do with the persons around us. And if its about convincing non believers than Islam says to convince them in a better and suitable way.

To Syed K. Mirza (or whomsoever behind the alias)

Your first sentence... please define what exactly u mean by 'Muslims' when you say they are blind followers of islam. do you ...

mean the 300 million of them who spoke and understood arabic then its like saying an englishman doesnt understand english
which i am sure u didnt meant.

If you referred to the rest of 1.3 billion approx (i will take your own data for now) that they dont understand arabic and follow islam blindly then let me ask u - what is islam? what makes a man a muslim? is it only salaat.

I hope u will reply to that if you are a muslim and yet i somewhat feel negative about that so will explain it here...

The basic five pillars of islam. 1) Iman (Belief) 2) Salaat (Namaz - prayer) 3) Zakaat (Charity) 4) Roza (Fasting) 5) Haj

So a man may pray,fast and give zakaat but if doesnt believe in the oneness of his Lord and His prophet, then its all useless, atleast in the hereafter. The basic concept is belief. To testify that 'There is no God but Allah and Muhammed is is messenger' that alone makes him a muslim.

There are hadith to the effect that a muslim on the day of judgement shall be ashmed at the 99 volumes of sin put in his account and will be dismayed at his performance, until his single recital of the above testimony will neutralize them all.

Another thing... what do you mean by 'Allah of the seventh century'???? I dont understand if u wre a muslim then how could utter such a blasphemy. Allah is the one who knows the shorter and the longer place of rest of every moving creature (Surah Hud A-6) and he also knows when, where and how you will die and what all you will be doing till then and how you will be dealt with in the hereafter. Quran and Hadith contain predictions made by one assured of them not guesswork.

And another point i will make here is that Quran ayats are words from ALLAH (SWT) himself revealed to Muhammed (pbuh) by means of Archangel Jibreel. So there isnt any confusion of Son (Jesus), Holy Ghost(Jibreel) and Father(God) like christianity here which makes a divinity out of all the three concerned. And if Quran is a direct revealation from Allah then a muslim has all right to consider it as divinewords and utter them in his prayer. The prophet pbuh himself recited the entire Quran in the ramadan tarawih so where does the question arise that one pray only meaningful and concerned ayats in his prayer.

It was Allah (swt) who created the situations in the first place for the messenger who asking for response from his Lord recieved the ayats as answers via Jibreel. refer to a Quran tafsir to understand properly where and when was an ayat or sura revealed. You could very well refer to the case of the ayat u mentioned : 4:43. Lest you dont find a tafsir from an islamic library do tell me and i shall type and paste the same here for all to see.

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"As I have stated earlier, only a small number of the Muslims speak and understand Arabic and those of them, who do not understand it at all, they rely on their local Mullahs to make them abreast with the bare-minimum requirements of their faith"
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Man... which census data is this>?? is it your own conclusion or what??? Prove it.... atleast make a sample survey of a tiny indonesian town or indian town for that matter before making such basless statements. This is not a newspaper that u type such assumptions free of care.

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"Again, most of the Mullahs and even the Memorizers of the Quran do not understand its content in its entirety, as they restrict themselves to understanding only those stipulations of it on which, they frequently face questions from their illiterate people."
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the same comments as above... thats really pathetic and hopeless. Its like me saying india is a really poor country and indians are really poor and you find people living and urinating on the streets bathing in ganges daily and all dark black in skin colour. Why am i saying such a thing? because i watch natgeo and flickr pics that capture such interesting content. Look here friend... better get ground realities right. Dont conjure from tiny baseless skewed sample surveys or reports. U wud better visit the UAE,Dubai, Saudi Arabia and other middle eastern countries and u will find life more cherishable than that of states of europe.

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"Yet, all the non-Arabic speaking Muslims say their prayers in Allah’s language, which is Arabic, telling Him - all the prayers are addressed to Him -, for instance:

“The mutual rivalry for piling up (the good things of this world) diverts you (from the more serious things. Until ye visit the graves, but nay, ye soon shall know (the reality). Again, ye soon shall know! Nay, were ye to know with certainty of mind (ye would beware!) Ye shall certainly see Hell-fire! Again, ye shall see it with certainty of sight! Then, shall ye be questioned that Day about the joy (ye indulged in)![7]"
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Whats wrong??? I dont understand what wrong is a muslim doing while praying these words of the Holy Quran. His Lord revealed those words as if he said it. The muslim while reading these words only realizes that his Lord has mentioned this ayat about someone who took more interest in making money than in worrying about his hereafter. Moreover the muslim realizes how strictly his Lord has warned about something called Hell-fire and that too twice! In the last statement he cross checks himself if there was such a joy he induldged in leaving behind his religion that he might be questioned about. so simple...

and here is your sentence that assured me that this guy just hasnt got his basics of the Quran clear....

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"Because Allah indulges in good things of the world, Muslims threaten Him with the Hell-fire of the hereafter."

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You hopeless person.. have you thought of us muslims to be so stupid so as to talk back to our only Lord - He who created us and our forefathers in the first place, created the heavens (universe) and the earth, He who originated the creation and then will repeat it. For us we fear the chastisement of a Great day and a punishment in hell-fire to even dare think of such a thing. And you accuse us muslims of threatening our Lord!!! What have you taken us as? We are a pure monotheist religion like Judaism. It is a pity that only two of such religions are there in the world. Did u assume us as hinduism which considers
even popular cricketers or movie stars as gods? wonder how they explain to themselves the fact of universe formation and their being created by those they proclaim as gods.

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“ Have We not expanded thee thy breast? – And removed from thee thy burden. The which did fall thy back? – And raised high the esteem (in which) thou (art held)? So, verily, with every difficulty, there is relief: verily, with every difficulty there is relief. Therefore, when thou art free (from thine immediate task) still labor hard. And to thy Lord turn (all) thy attention.”[8]?

Muslims tell the above things to Allah in their prayers to Him, without knowing what is stated in the Suras they recite during their prayers. This is a gross violation of Allah’s commandment, and, as such those Muslims who commit it, are the fuel of the Fire of Hell. "
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You seriously need to improve your understanding of the muslim prayer!!! We are supposed to recite the opening chapter of the Quran and then follow it up with any sura or portion of the Quran before we bend for the prostration. This means we can
recite anything from the Quran and it isnt as if we are telling or talking something to Allah!!! for that we pray directly!

we aint locked up like christians who have to access thier gods via the intermediaries like priests who incidentally they call 'father' which is similar to their chief god also known as 'Father'. nice, just change the capital. We muslims can pray to our Lord directly, we can call upon him in open or in secret, and our Lord Himself has suggested that. read the Quran better... We perform our prayers strictly as explained to our prophet (pbuh) by Allah because we undertake it as a compulsory service asked for by Allah and after prayers we pray for our daily needs in this world and success in the hereafter.

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"Allah did not instruct the Muslims of Muhammad’s time how they were to perform the hajj - one of the important rituals of

their faith, as it was a pagan ritual and they had been performing it before they became Muslims. Nor has He asked them to

kiss the black stone of the Ka’aba. Why?"
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nice to see the ayats you could collect about Haj. Its really a good effort to understand it. But i dont see the derivation of your above sentences from the same. Have you heard of something called Hadith in Islam. Well if you have heard of it as
some collection of quotes of our Prophet (pbuh) then add to it the knowledge that it contains descriptions from men present from prophet's time who have described how he performed the Haj himself.

Now, our Prophet (pbuh) was sent revealations from Lord himself and supposed to be followed because only he would be told or guided as to what is to be done and how. So we muslims simply follow the best we can of the manners and traditions of our beloved Prophet(pbuh).He kissed the stone so do we and even caliph Omar who is quoted in a hadith to address the stone saying somewhat that had he not seen the Prophet kiss it, he wouldnt have done it.

Hmmm... Yeah, certainly i agree, moving around the Holy Kabaa was a pagan ritual and not only that, the ritual involved moving around naked!!! means if u go there then u would find fanatic people keeping aside their blushes and gazes and trying
hard to concentrate their attention to gaining purity of mind and soul... i bet it would be impossible. Well, for one, u are right that we muslims consider Ka'aba to be built by Ibrahim (as) and his son Ishmael (as). It was Ibrahim(as) who originated the custom of revolving around the house and stationed his son Ishmael(as) to be settled there and thats how the city of mecca got formed. Now, Ibrahim(as) or Abraham was the forefather of Moses(pbuh) and Jesus(pbuh) and also Muhammed(pbuh).

So while Israel and Jerusalem were being enriched with Prophets ranging fromMoses,David,Solomon,John the Baptist, and Jesus(Pbut), the arabian penisula observed many changes in the rites and a gradual shift took place to polytheism and as you said
the numerous gods and idols were placed. Yet it all happened after the passing by of Ibrahim(aws) and Ishmael(aws) and both are revered prophets of Islam.

My point is - How have you classified the rites as Pre-islamic and Pagan? I just wanted to ask the methodology because you see if kissing the stone was carried out by Ibrahim(aws) and Ishmael(aws) then this very well went under the allowed acts in
the Haj rite. Now as per bible, Abraham in his later years sinned by resorting to polygamous beliefs (as if their present stand on trinity is pure monogamous) and yet was a rightful prophet because almost all prophets sin big time as per the bible. So supposed that Abraham did kiss the stone and performed pilgrimage around the house he called to be of God.

We muslims approach the subject differently. For us Abraham(aws) was ordered by Allah to build a house at the specified location. He did so. He was given the stone supposed to be from the heaven and place it on one of the external corner. He did
so. He was told it was a piece from the heavens (so naturally it had to come from the above... science can render it as a meteorite). Prophet (pbuh) kissed it in as part of his Haj ritual and so do we muslims. We do not consider it as an Uzza's vulva and the religion of islam has already abolished such hopless created gods of stone. The point i want to make is clear!

- Islam is the religion of Hanif (righteous one) i.e. that of Ibrahim(aws), who always believed in the oneness of his Lord.

So if the settlers in mecca polluted it and the Haj ritual, Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) only brought it back to its original by removing all the nonsense idols and beliefs. Had it been so that he considered the stone as Uzza's vulva he would have let the idols of uzza alone. and might have given them some recognition in the religion.

The conclusion i make is that perhaps the person under the alias Syed K. Mirza is an underaged teen not much exposed to library references in religion and maybe only restricted to certain english thesis and researches in secular libraries that
resort to paganize everything ranging from Abrahams (aws) time,who somehow forgot that Abraham was a rightful prophet also of Judaism as well as christianity. The reason for writing this reply is to put forward a clear stand from a muslim's viewpoint.

I do not consider myself as the expert (alim) in my religion but the basicity of the issues raised here is something this college going guy from India can also reply, Who doesnt understand arabic or speak it yet but is determined to achieve that
in future. He makes ideal his parents and many other muslims around him that learn arabic and invest time and resources into something they can easily understand in english translations but wish to feel it in the original language. Such is the
Quran... when a muslim reads a line in english too one knows that it is something that his Lord Allah has said and preserves it as guidance from his Lord.

Muslims are blind believers of islam.

Majority of the Muslims are the Fuel of Hell’s Fire!
by Mohammad Asghar

11 Sep, 2007

The Allah of the seventh century divided the entire mankind in three groups, and they are:

1. The Polytheists or the Pagans. Known as Mushrikin in Arabic,[1] they were those people who, beside Allah, worshipped idols.

2. The Unbelievers: Also known as the Kafirs in English and Kaferin or Kafirun in Arabic,[2] they were those people who had refused to believe in the prophethood of Muhammad. In a nutshell, Jews and the Christians fell into this category, their Quranic status as the “People of the Book” notwithstanding.

3. The Muslims: They were those people, who not only believed in Allah, Muhammad and the Quran; they also pledged to unflinchingly follow all the commandments of the Quran and to serve Allah[3] and Muhammad[4] in order to qualify for berths in the Gardens on the Day of Judgment.

Allah has not spoken of the Atheists and the Deists etc., as they did not exist at the time He was revealing the Quran to the Prophet of Islam.

In 2006, there were 1.610 billion Muslims in the world.[5] Of them, only about 300 million spoke and understood Arabic. Out of the remaining Muslims, a vast number of them spoke no Arabic, nor were they able to understand it, when others spoke it before them.

The all-knowing Allah knew that Islam would one day become a universal religion and that many of its followers would not understand the Arabic language of His celestial Quran, yet He decried in the same language:

“O ye who believe! Approach not prayers with a mind befogged, until ye can understand all that ye say, - nor in a state of ceremonial impurity (except when traveling on the road), until after washing your whole body. If ye are ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from offices of nature, or ye have been in contact with women, and ye find no water, then take for yourselves clean sand or earth, and rub therewith your faces and hands: for Allah doth blot out sins and forgive again and again.”[6]

Though Allah has clearly stated in the verse certain conditions, which disqualify the Muslims from saying their prayers, yet it can also be taken to be an instruction to all the sober Muslims not to say their prayers without understanding what they are saying to Him through their prayers. Which means that all the Muslims must understand the meaning of each Arabic word they say in their prayers and if they fail to do this, it is not that only their prayers go waste, they themselves commit a major sin by disobeying His commandment He gave them through the Quran.

But have all the Muslims been following His commandment on not saying their prayers without understanding the words they use in them, and if not, why?

As I have stated earlier, only a small number of the Muslims speak and understand Arabic and those of them, who do not understand it at all, they rely on their local Mullahs to make them abreast with the bare-minimum requirements of their faith. Again, most of the Mullahs and even the Memorizers of the Quran do not understand its content in its entirety, as they restrict themselves to understanding only those stipulations of it on which, they frequently face questions from their illiterate people.

Yet, all the non-Arabic speaking Muslims say their prayers in Allah’s language, which is Arabic, telling Him - all the prayers are addressed to Him -, for instance:

“The mutual rivalry for piling up (the good things of this world) diverts you (from the more serious things. Until ye visit the graves, but nay, ye soon shall know (the reality). Again, ye soon shall know! Nay, were ye to know with certainty of mind (ye would beware!) Ye shall certainly see Hell-fire! Again, ye shall see it with certainty of sight! Then, shall ye be questioned that Day about the joy (ye indulged in)![7]

Because Allah indulges in good things of the world, Muslims threaten Him with the Hell-fire of the hereafter. They also tell Him:

“Have We not expanded thee thy breast? – And removed from thee thy burden. The which did fall thy back? – And raised high the esteem (in which) thou (art held)? So, verily, with every difficulty, there is relief: verily, with every difficulty there is relief. Therefore, when thou art free (from thine immediate task) still labor hard. And to thy Lord turn (all) thy attention.”[8]

Muslims tell the above things to Allah in their prayers to Him, without knowing what is stated in the Suras they recite during their prayers. This is a gross violation of Allah’s commandment, and, as such those Muslims who commit it, are the fuel of the Fire of Hell.

Ka’aba and the Kissing of the Black Stone:

Hajj is one of the five pillars of Islam. All Muslims must perform it at least once in their lifetime, if they can afford physically to travel to Mecca. The Quran says:

“And complete the Hajj or 'umra in the service of Allah. But if ye are prevented (From completing it), send an offering for sacrifice, such as ye may find, and do not shave your heads until the offering reaches the place of sacrifice. And if any of you is ill, or has an ailment in his scalp, (Necessitating shaving), (He should) in compensation either fast, or feed the poor, or offer sacrifice; and when ye are in peaceful conditions (again), if any one wishes to continue the 'umra on to the hajj, He must make an offering, such as he can afford, but if he cannot afford it, He should fast three days during the hajj and seven days on his return, Making ten days in all. This is for those whose household is not in (the precincts of) the Sacred Mosque. And fear Allah, and know that Allah Is strict in punishment.”[9]

It again says:

“In it are Signs Manifest; (for example), the Station of Abraham; whoever enters it attains security; Pilgrimage thereto is a duty men owe to Allah,- those who can afford the journey; but if any deny faith, Allah stands not in need of any of His creatures.” [10]

Because the performance of the hajj is very important for the Muslims, the Quran emphasizes:

"And proclaim the Pilgrimage among men: they will come to thee on foot and (mounted) on every kind of camel, lean on account of journeys through deep and distant mountain highways;”[11]

Allah did not instruct the Muslims of Muhammad’s time how they were to perform the hajj - one of the important rituals of their faith, as it was a pagan ritual and they had been performing it before they became Muslims. Nor has He asked them to kiss the black stone of the Ka’aba. Why?

It is said that when Abraham and Ishmael were building the Ka'aba, the stone was delivered to them by an angel from heaven. That story would suggest that the Black Stone is a meteorite, and not necessarily a gift from Allah to mankind.

Farus Nabi quotes al-Kalbi as saying:

“Before Muhammad, the Ka’aba was surrounded by 360 idols, and every Arab house had its god. Arabs also believed in djinn (subtle beings), with many offspring. Among the major deities of the pre-Islamic era were al-Lat (“the goddess”), worshiped in the shape of a square stone; al-Uzzah (“the mighty”), a goddess identified with the morning star and worshiped as a thigh-bone-shaped slab of granite between al Taif and Mecca; Manat, the goddess of destiny, worshiped as a black stone on the road between Mecca and Medina; and the moon god, Hubal, whose worship was connected with the Black Stone of the Ka’aba’. The stones were said to have fallen from the sun, moon, stars, and planets and to represent cosmic forces. The so-called Black Stone (actually the color of burnt umber) that Muslims revere today is the same one that their forebears had worshiped well before Muhammad and that they believed had come from the moon.”[12]

All forms of violence were forbidden in Mecca for four months during the hajj. The Ka’aba was holy ground and a measure of the holiness was its religious tolerance. All the faithful could assemble to honor a time-immemorial tradition. Worshippers of Allah, al-Lat, al-Uzza, Manat, Hubal and even the Christian Arabs, could all come together there. The basis of the worship was astral, the 360 idols relating to a year and involving the Moon, Sun, Venus and the Zodiac, as evidenced in Nabatean and Sabian archeology, in the star and crescent symbol of Islam, and the many references in the Qur'an to Muhammad swearing by the Sun, Moon and Stars.

In this connection, Robert Briffault quotes al-Kindy saying:

“Al-Uzza was the moon, her chief shrine being the Ka’aba at Mecca, where she was worshipped in the form of a sacred stone, … the very stone which the pilgrims to this day visit Mecca to kiss. In doing so the pilgrims recite Caliph Omar's warning declaration: ‘I know well that you are a stone that can neither do good nor evil, and unless I had seen the prophet, on whom be prayer and the blessings of god kiss you, I would not kiss you.”[13]

Karen Armstrong says:

“Al-Lat had a shrine at Taif, which was in a cooler and more fertile part of the Hijaz, and al-Uzza had one Naklah to the south east of Mecca and that Manat, the fateful one had her shrine at Qudayd on the Red Sea coast.”

“When the Arabs venerated these stones they were not worshipping them in any crude simplistic way but were seeing in them a focus of divinity. … The Arabs may not have worshipped al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat in a personalized way, but we shall see that they felt very passionate about them. … Their cultus was confined to their shrines …, but they were an essential part of the spiritual landscape of the Bedouin of the Hijaz, who saw Nakhlah, Taif and Qudad as holy places and sanctuaries where Arabs could find their centre. The antiquity of the Goddesses was another reason for their cult. When they worshipped them in their shrines, the Arabs felt in touch with their forefathers, who had venerated the banat-al-Llah there, and this provided a healing sense of continuity.” [14]

She also notes:

“The hajj was originally an Autumn rite apparently persecuting the dying sun to bring on the winter rains. Pilgrims would rush in a body to the hollow of Muzdalifa, the abode of the Thunder God, make an all-night vigil on the plain by Mt. Arafat, hurl pebbles at the three sacred pillars of Mina and offer an animal sacrifice.”[15]

Muhammad overthrew the old religion of Arabia, but he retained hajj and some other rituals of paganism, as it was his mission to reconcile with the old religion by Islam, of which he was the head, receiving the sanction of the immemorial deity.

Philip K. Hitti says:

“The pagan ka’bah, which became the Palladium of Islam, was an unpretentious cube-like (hence the name) building of primitive simplicity, originally roofless, serving as a shelter for a black meteorite which was venerated as a fetish.” [16] Because the al-Hajar-ul-Aswad (black stone) was believed to have the power of making women pregnant, the Pagans preserved it in goddess al-Uzza’s vulva, to be touched and kissed by the pilgrims, who came to Mecca to perform their hajj and umra. The following illustration of the enclosure of the stone should make my point clear:

In their belief in the efficacious nature of the fetish, the Pagan women went a step further: after kissing it, they offered themselves to the holy pilgrims. From this ancient practice of the Pagans, the Shiites have developed the concept of temporary marriage during the period of pilgrimage. It is stipulated at a fixed date and the parties of such unions do not give signs of recognition if they subsequently meet. Any children of such unions are regarded as a blessing in the family and are looked upon as divine children or saints.[17]

Although Allah has strictly forbidden the worship of gods and their statues, Muslims have been continuing not only to venerate the House of the Pagans gods and goddesses by circumambulating around it, they have also been committing another serious sin by putting their heads into the goddess al-Uzza’s vulva in order to kiss the black stone that remains hidden inside it. This illustration supports my contention:

As a result of the serious sins the Muslims have been committing by venerating al-Uzza’s vulva and kissing the black stone, all of them have been finding themselves in the fire of Hell. The new converts to Islam, who have turned it into the fastest growing religion of the world, are more likely to find themselves in Hell before other Muslims, as most of them convert to it without knowing everything that Allah has written in the Quran.

Allah uses them to feed the Hell, which constantly asks Him: are there more sinners to come to my fire? If there are, send them in quickly, as I am still hungry!

Dr. Nawal Saadawi was the first woman in Egyptian history to be threatened with a forced divorce for expressing a view that was identical to that of mine on the pagan background of the hajj and the absurdity of kissing a stone. She was accused of apostasy for allegedly insulting Islam and its rituals.[18]

Her problems compounded after she criticized Anwar Sadat’s regime in 1981. Dismissed from the government’s post of the Director of Public Health, she found herself on a fundamentalist death list, which forced her and her husband into hiding. During the course of an interview with the journalist Wahid Ra’fat of the Egyptian Weekly al-Maydan, Nawal referred to the historically accepted fact that elements of the Hajj, such as kissing the black stone, had pre-Islamic, pagan roots.

The journalist couldn't believe his ears. All he heard was Nawal calling the Hajj a pagan rite. "You're opening fire," he said to Nawal. "Yes" she replied, "but people should know.”

Ra'fat’s editor ran the story in the Weekly, believing it would run and run. He led the front page that week with the headline: "Dr Nawal El Saadawi says Hajj is a remnant of paganism."

Muslim readers of the paper became insane, and demanded her beheading for making inflammatory claims against their religions.

The Weekly then took up the interview with the Grand Mufti of Egypt for a fatwa (religious edict). The Mufti declared: if Nawal had said what the paper claimed she had said, there was no doubt, she had rejected Islam.

A lawyer took Nawal to court for it to decide if she was greater than Allah and also what right she had to demand equal rights for women. After some prevarication, the court declared on July 30, 2001 that there was not a case to answer. She will not go to prison, nor will she be forcibly divorced from her husband.

End of the Muslims' stand on the Islamic status of the hajj and the kissing of the black stone to wipe out their sins!

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[1] The Quran; 9:5.

[2] The Quran; 2:191 et al.

[3] The Quran; 2:90 et al.

[4] The Quran; 39:53.

[5] http://www.islamicpopulation.com/world_general.html

[6] The Quran; 4:43.

[7] The Quran; Sura 102.

[8] The Quran; Sura 94.

[9] The Quran; 2:196.

[10] The Quran; 3:97.

[11] The Quran; 22:27.

[12] The Book of Idols, pp. 12-29.

[13] The Mothers, vol. 3, p. 79.

[14] Muhammad, p. 64.

[15] Karen Armstrong, op. cit. p. 62.

[16] History of the Arabs, p. 100.

[17] Robert Briffault; op. cit. p. 221.

[18] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/correspondent/1619902.stm.

some of the people are stupid and ignorant. they don't seem to have any sense about any relegion or god.
If you don't know the truth then don't comment about relegion or god.
Allah doesn't say anywhere that muslims should hate christians and jews or any human beings.
since when did christians start admitting that jesus was raised to the heavens.
he was only raised just before the romans came to arrest and exucute him, but Muhammad (pbuh) was raised to see the heavens and hells and to talk to god but he also came back down to tell the people.
some people say that muslims kill other innocent people of other religions to please god BUT it is totally wrong understaniding about Islam and muslims.those people who kill innocent people they are fanatic and terrorists.
Muhammed (pbuh) was sent as the last universal prophet for the whole world, because after god sent all those prophets, like jesus, moses and john the baptist no one listened to them and killed them. so god sent his most dearest and beloved prophet to guide the ignorant, nonsense and aragont people. so if you want to help yourself look for the truth and don't judge god or god's prophets by the way other people behave because god didn't say you should kill people and those people who kill innocent people around the world whoever christain, jews or muslims are terrorists, fascists and evil. because we are not perfect and only god can judge with his umlimited knowledge and power.
so next time you want to speak about god or his prophets thnk carfully before you say anything.
if you want a peace of mind and knowledge to this world and the hereafter read the last testominy the holy Quran for that's what you will find.

some of the people are stupid and ignorant. they don't seem to have any sense about any relegion or god.
If you don't know the truth then don't comment about relegion or god.
And Allah doesn't say anywhere that muslims should hate christians and jews.
and since when did christians start admitting that jesus was raised to the heavens.
he was only raised just before the romans came to arrest and exucute him, but Muhammad (pbuh) was raised to see the heavens and hells and to talk to god but he also came back down to tell the people.
some people say that muslims kill other innocent people of other religions to please god BUT muslims kill because thats what jews and christians do to the poor, innocent muslims around the world. IN fact christains and jews have killed 100 times more muslims than muslims killed jews and christains.
and muhammed (pbuh) was sent as the last universal prophet for the whole world, because after god sent all those prophets, like jesus and john the baptist no one listened to them and killed them. so god sent his most dearest and beloved prophet to guide the ignorant, nonsense and aragont people. so if you want to help yourself look for the truth and don't judge god or god's prophets, because we are not perfect and only god can judge with his umlimited knowledge and power.
so next time you want to speak about god or his prophets thnk carfully before you say it.
if you want a peace of mind and knowledge to this world and the hereafter read the last testominy the holy Quran for that's what you will find.

It's a great achievement for Islamic leaders and scholars as well as Newsweek and the Washington post to present this imperative opportunity for inter cultural and global philosophical dialogue. What's important is that by exchanging our ideas and comments regarding inter religious relations and world events that affect our views of each other as fellow human beings. Since the advent of humanity, We strove to make sense of the world we live in and the lives we've experienced. Worldwide curiosities to learn the true nature of life and our universe is an exceptionally rare virtue upon life on Earth. In other words, we're the only known species on the planet who've pursued to unravel these great mysteries and developed written philosophies based upon our understanding of the world around us.
One such philosophy that lasted throughout the ages of humanity is commonly known as religion and spirituality. Ever since our early belief in the Sky God and the God Mother from ancient Pagan times, we vigorously pursued to unravel the truth about our most profound questions. As any educated person would know that religion and their core beliefs or faith have evolved over time. Paganism, Monotheism and Polytheism have been influenced by humanity as these great philosophies have influenced our perceptions and decisions in life over the ages. Over time humanity has embraced diverse religious faiths and spiritual convictions that continue to influence our behavior in our times and most likely beyond.
What's vital for humanity's progress and even survival is to know the true nature of faith itself. To understand the true origins of faith. But most of all, is to accept the truth for whatever it may be. Each one of us will learn the absolute truth once we die. But until that time comes for anyone of us to depart this world, we really don't know the answer to God's existence nor do we have the absolute truth in regards to the true nature of God. Besides if we did possess the truth, there would've been only one religion on Earth with no diversification of any way, shape of form. There would only be one holy scripture written throughout human history.
Considering one's religious faith to be absolute, while considering others to be false would be ethnocentric at best. While collectively searching to unravel the mysteries on nature, life and the universe through sincere reasoning and serious research would be enlightening at its worst. Most importantly, we must accept the fact is that none of us have conclusive evidence to confirm our core beliefs and there's always an immanent change that our most cherished beliefs could be wrong. Our greatest challenge would be to tolerate the truth no matter what it may ultimately be. With such an open mind, we would be able to overcome any future discovery that would contradict our faith regarding the true nature of life, spirituality and divinity.
Humanity does have the ability to achieve such a social achievement. However, it's solely up to humanity and not any other entity or groups of entities to decide our destinies. Each one of us has a choice to make; either hopelessly engaging into meaningless inter cultural conflicts or combine our scientific and cultural gifts to thrive into an enlightened global civilization that could ultimately expand beyond our solar system. The choice is yours, and the time to make it is now!

Hehe Buzh ;-)

Hehe.

to hell with all of you dumb, idol worshipping christan zealots. seems like islam is too good for you. and don't even start with me about violence. everyone knows about hiroshima/nagasaki, fate of american indians, colonial era, inquisition and of course iraq. these crimes were/are all committed by christians/evangelists, in the holy name of jesus (peace bu upon him). 9/11 or or 7/7, awful acts of terror by twisted fools (once bedfellows of CIA), pale, rather completely vanish in comparison to these horrific crimes, both in magnitude and root cause. but you unfair dummies will have none of this.

victoria:
i answered you ross because it was a question on specifics in the religion, and you had a misunderstanding.

OK give us the specifics of your religion that caused your conversion to it.

victoria:
religion is one issue- i didnt want you to continue to misunderstand my religion.

You misunderstand your religion all you follow is a satanic deity of a marauding paedophile.

victoria:
my personal life is clearly my own business.

Expect probably when you want boast about your wealthy irish ancestory and how they have state capital and buildings named after them...

atom? surely even the term atom,or atomic was only invented in the last 150 to 200 years?Plus why was it ok to marry a six year old 1400 years ago?Mohamed did that did he not?

atom? surely even the term atom,or atomic was only invented in the last 150 to 200 years?Plus why was it ok to marry a six year old 1400 years ago?Mohamed did that did he not?

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Stoning video:

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Please be advised that the images in this video are NOT EASY TO WATCH. They are NOT suitable for children or people with heart conditions. As unfortunate as it is, this brutal and inhumane action is part of the reality in Iran under the rule of the mullahs and we are presenting it here to further expose the atrocities committed by them.

http://www.iran-e-azad.org/stoning/video.html

Hadia,

As seen in the link above the punishment for adultery in many sharia based muslim countries is death via stoning. Now since those who committed this "crime" of adultery receive their punishment on earth, does it mean this sin will be forgiven after death ???

Hadia wrote:
Describing the Day of Judgment, the Quran says, “That day, people will proceed separately to be shown their deeds. Whoever has done even an atom’s worth of good will behold it. And whoever has done even an atom’s worth of evil will behold that.” (Quran, 99: 6-8).

Hadia,

This applies to muslims only, if it is meant for people of all religions then why are apostates of islam condemened to death in countries that implement the quran based sharia laws ?

i answered you ross because it was a question on specifics in the religion, and you had a misunderstanding.

my responsiveness, an explanation why i wont answer your question is just good manners ross.

religion is one issue- i didnt want you to continue to misunderstand my religion.

my personal life is clearly my own business.

Victoria wrote:
what possible motivation would i have to spend my energies to explain something to one who is openly hostile?
you dont seem to have any real basis for your hatred-
you post nonsense propoganda and since youre prey to that type of shallow hate-mongering-
i dont believe you are receptive to deep and intelligent discussion.
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If you find me so hostile then tell me why did you attempt to answer the question i addressed to Hadia ???? Then when I ask you a simple question like why you converted... you make make all kinds of excuses including calling me hostile.

If you can't stand fire stay away from the flame !!!

ross- first of all, you dont have basic manners.

you belitteld my personal reasons for being a muslim (wrongly) by stating my motives were because i "married into it".

ascribing mindless and insincere intentions to me.

now you say you hate islam, my belief system-

and yet it seems yo really expect your disrespect to be treated with respect!

what kind of fool would i be to respond to hatred and disrespect with my good efforts?

and you even come out and SAY you fully intend to criticize what i proffer!

a childish taunt and dare like , "are you afraid?"
it really has no effect

what possible motivation would i have to spend my energies to explain something to one who is openly hostile?

you dont seem to have any real basis for your hatred-

you post nonsense propoganda and since youre prey to that type of shallow hate-mongering-
i dont believe you are receptive to deep and intelligent discussion.

my response and efforts to explain to you are respectful behavior on my part.

bellicose and disrespectful behavior from a child, i will not reward with gentleness and respect.

from an adult, i certainly wont.

i have my good reasons and dont feel compelled to justify myself to anyone.

if you want to change your tone to one of receptivity- ill engage, but i dont hold out much hope for it.

now peace ross- you know ive never been overtly mean to you and wish you no ill

Victoria wrote:
im happy to share- but it is pointless to engage one who is openly hostile to my religion
i simply dont trust your motives in asking ross

Now this reply is far better and straightforward than your previous post.

Victoria wrote:
dont think you ask out of any real curiosity or desire to know-

I hate islam (not muslims) therefore I'm curious to know why you love it. Is there something to it that I fail to see ?

Well if you believe you've found a true great religion then why are you afraid of criticism ? Have you no faith in the great Allah ?

i dont answer your confrontational questions because-
1) its a long story
2) you make assumptions that are always negative
3) i dont trust your intentions

i dont think you ask out of any real curiosity or desire to know-

you are looking for some way to cast negative apersions and so my energy is better spent elsewhere

you have a very real hatred for islam- why would you pretend to care?

if you have a specific, and quit posting prpoganda-

im happy to share- but it is pointless to engage one who is openly hostile to my religion

i simply dont trust your motives in asking ross

Nicole,

Why did you accept islam ?

Victoria,

Why don't you read what you have written, i asked you the reason why you accepted islam and you give me this conversation you had with this african american. If you think I'm making assumptions then prove me wrong, give us the real reason(s) why you accepted islam.

The last time asked you this question, you told me its a long story that you'll reveal some other time.

Is that so difficult to answer ?

God is a searcher of hearts and minds not of your religious affiliation or lack thereof. We are all judged by not only what we do but why we do it and what we know. Knowing God's Name is not some kind of magic like some people that call themselves christians think it is. As it says faith is a gift that no man should boast, well it seems like there are quite a few people full of spiritual pride out there. Actually everyone will be in the Kingdom and that sure does upset a lot of people that are trying to buy their way in. God did not create hell, you build it yourself but in God's Plan, He won the keys to hell and spiritual death, that sure does make some so-called christians very upset. No one gets away with anything even though by worldly standards it might seem that way. We have free will whether you like it or not. We are all brothers and sisters whether you like that or not. Take Care. Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

"Arabs are the most noble people in lineage, the most prominent, and the best in deeds. We were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah's helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in the Cause of Allah. Killing him is a small matter to us."

"Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah's Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place."

"Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah alone or pay us the Jizyah tribute tax in submission. Our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says: ‘Whoever amongst us is killed as a martyr shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever survives shall become your master.'"

"Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace."

“When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action…Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them…If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya [the tax on non-Muslims specified in Qur’an 9:29]. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them” (Sahih Muslim 4294).

i realize you dont actually read what i post- so to reiterate-

I BECAME MUSLIM 7 YEARS BEFORE I MARRIED A MUSLIM.

you always make it so easy ross.

yes ross, as a matter of fact- i have provided ample reasons as to my reversion.

i have given pages and pages of reasons.

youre not paying attention.

heres a true story-
it illustrates how peple make ridiculous assumptions without any information whatsoever-

i lived in chicago 5 years, and i met an african american brother. we were discussing how we both came to islam.

there was a period when nation of islam adherents claimed that people with blue eyes are the devil- its from a sentence in the quran (20:102).

it states that on the judgement day, the devils will be white eyed, or blearly eyed with terror.

one qu'ran that was utilized by the NOI says "blue-eyed".

this one tiny sentence was latched onto by elijah muhammad (founder of NOI) to 'prove' that white people are the devil, despite the fact that literally hundreds of passages elaborate on the equality of man and womankind-

it shows that if a person wants to find something to justify their biases and hatreds- and are determined enough- they can do so
9in this case by mis-translating a word- ad then claiming it is the whole message)

of course, most african american muslims today have realized the fallacy and ridiculous nature of this formerly held belief.

the son of elijah, warith deen uhammad has entered mainstream islam and many have left the fold of NOI>

so i was commenting to the brother that, although im a white american woman- i DID NOT become a muslim because i married one.

he smiled and remarked that although he is an african american man, he DID NOT become a muslim in prison.

and we laughed and we laughed.

a tiny bit of 'knowledge' is a dangerous thing, and stereotypes are so stupid, dont you think?

i married 1 year and 3 months ago, and was a muslim about 7 years beofre i married.

so the reversion came many years before the marriage.

thanks for being such an easy foil.

heres my source- the qu'ran of course-

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"If any do deeds of righteousness be they male or female and have faith, they will enter Heaven, and not the least injustice will be done to them. (The Noble Quran, 4:124)"

"For Muslim men and women,- for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in Charity, for men and women who fast (and deny themselves), for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in God's praise,- for them has God prepared forgiveness and great reward. (The Noble Quran, 33:35)"

"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other. Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well-acquainted. (The Noble Quran, 49:13)"

The Believers, men and women, are protectors one of another: they enjoin what is just, and forbid what is evil: they observe regular prayers, practise regular charity, and obey God and His Apostle. On them will God pour His mercy: for God is Exalted in power, Wise. (The Noble Quran, 9:71)"

"And their Lord hath accepted of them, and answered them: "Never will I suffer to be lost the work of any of you, be he male or female: Ye are members, one of another: Those who have left their homes, or been driven out therefrom, or suffered harm in My Cause, or fought or been slain,- verily, I will blot out from them their iniquities, and admit them into Gardens with rivers flowing beneath;- A reward from the presence of God, and from His presence is the best of rewards." (The Noble Quran, 3:195)"

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i think you get the point.

Victoria wrote:
ROSS- because islam is an egalitarian religion in every way-
OF COURSE women get the same rewards as men in paradise.

So women in an islamic paradise do get 72 male hunks !!! your sources ???

Victoria wrote:
i was a christian and reverted to islam 8 years ago-

You have still not given us a valid reason why you chose islam over christianity (or any other religion) other than the fact you are married to a muslim.

What is there in islam that convinced you it is the right path ?

a salaamu alaikum nichole-

i was a christian and reverted to islam 8 years ago-

your point about the spread of islam peacefully in the east is well taken- and of course glossed over- but dont get discouraged.

also dont forget that the ottoman empire in turkey rescued 10s of 1000s of jews from the spanish inqusistion when the rest of the world turned their back on them.

we have the predictable crew of headbangers showing up to spread their hate-

let the headbangers bang.

while some seem confused by the aspect of no one knowing for sure who does or does not gain entrance to paradise, it has the very tangible benefit in a very real and practical way of keeping us humble.

we cant ever act with spiritual one-upsmanship to any other human-

this is a very important and beautiful way to act, who could disagree?

we cant judge because we dont know.

only ALLAH judges, that her job.

Haia spoke eloquently about the conscious decisions of every minute thought we encounter and how theyre affected by the everpresent reality before us of inevitably standing before ALLAH some day-

(for instance, when she spoke about throwing those leftovers away- we can pretty well assume that since she is aware of the hunger of her neighbors, she is not ignoring it.

as for the preoccupation with our dress?

i see the preoccupation with the state of undress in women seems to be greatly more problematic-
im not sweating it- im proud to be modest- it is the height of silliness to equate backwardness with self-respect.

im betting none of the male posters here who are so preoccupied with the styles of islamic decorum have yet had the experience of watching their teenage daughters wiggling out of the house at night half clothed-

it becomes quite different to them when it becomes personal like that.

o yes, in your list you forgot to mention that the only state that has ever been accused of being a terrorist nation, is the united states of america-
by the world court in the hague for its involvement in the dessimation of civilians in columbia.

we alone have that distinction.

ROSS- because islam is an egalitarian religion in every way-
OF COURSE women get the same rewards as men in paradise.

no distinction is made on the basis of race or gender- only piety.

silly ross- hope that clears it up for you.

Jacob im surprised at you!
first you praise hadia and want to bear all her babies, and then you make such a xenophobic remark!

youre not a racist!

peace jj!

if millions of people in the largest gathering of human beings on the planet every year at hajj praying shoulder to shoulder- millionaires indistnguishable from beggars doesnt elicit some sense of the unity of mankind in you, what will?

im in new york too buddy, and it makes me nervous when you envision destruction of the ka'aba-

or destruction of anything anywhere

peace all

Hadia,

What is the islamic reward for women who enter paradise ? do they also get the male equivalent of 72 houris ?
Why are those in islamic paradise allowed to drink wine when it is banned on earth ?

I can never forget the smiles on 90% (ninety-Percent) of Islamic folks when celebrating the "Magnificant 19" matyres of 911.

Note: They came, attacked & destroyed [Billions in money, caused untold hardship etc..] this G-d Blessed, City ofd N.Y. America. And They are Mostly Saudi!

There will be time when the KABBA in Mecca and the Al aqsa Dome in Jerusalem will have the same fate as the WTC & Pentagon respectfully!

It could happen any day now! This is the price islam must pay for past DHIMMITUDE, current & future Anti-Humanity Thinking & behaviour(s), as history is your own self inflicting Hanging Judge & Jury!

Save your posterity, become Eclatari-On and love the Book Of OURS! Ya Ya.

Nichole:

Your posts imply-

There will be no peace anywhere on earth until global sharia.

Idolizing the Quran

Idolatry arises from an exaggerated respect translating into a misguided religious zeal. This adoration or zeal is directed towards an entity other than God.

Muslims suspect Christians were guilty of this crime when they elevated a Prophet to the status of a God. The Hindus are accused of engaging in such idol worship to the promiscuous point that today they have innumerable Gods.

Shiite Muslims are accused of idolatry when they elevate the status of Ali to an unusual degree. But there is an idolization common to most Muslims: idolizing the Quran.

Words printed on paper are elevated to such a height that they are folded into “Tawiz” and hung around the believers to protect them from disease and the ‘evil eye’.

Such are the abnormal expectations attached to the printed Quran that believers often dissolve it in water and drink it as medicine. Unfortunately it is often the case that the wearer and the one who prepares this ‘holy paper’ or ‘medicine’ are quite often unaware of the meaning of the words.

Other examples of this exaggerated respect as demonstrated by some is kissing the Quran, pressing it against one’s eyes, avoiding pointing one’s feet towards it and sitting below the position of the book.

Lastly an act I often found irrational is the elaborate measures taken to burn or discard all Arabic words that look even remotely ornate or Quran like.

It is not like the scholars of Islam have been ignorant of such idolatry. Many shake their heads over it, shrug their shoulders and exclaim with consternation and blame it in on the times. Others have waged righteous war against all idolatry.

Illustration of such valiant acts is their prohibition of approaching the Prophet’s tomb. This was enacted to prohibit people from praying at the tomb, kissing the tomb and to prevent tying threads and prayer requests.

Another desperate action is the bulldozing of “Jannatul Baqi” (a graveyard holding the greatest martyrs and saints of Islam) to prevent people from kissing tombstones or stealing the sand for purposes of selling them as holy relics and remedies.

Men may say, ‘but what is the harm in such acts of devotion?’ Besides the fact that this is idolatry and therefore a sin, historically Muslims have suffered gravely because they have elevated their Holy Book to irrational heights.

Case in point is the day when a prototype of the Gutenberg press was presented to the Caliph of Turkey for purposes of printing the Quran. The Gutenberg press as we all know is responsible for the resurgence of Europe from the Dark Ages more than any other invention.

When such an opportunity was presented to Muslims before it ever made an impression in Europe the scribes of the Quran rejected this machine and denounced it as an “instrument of the devil”.

The rationale of the scribes was that since the printing press did not perform ablution before ‘writing’ the Quran it was therefore unfit but moreover it was devilish for printing the Quran without performing an ablution.

One sees countless more side affects of such adoration with the riots and public unrest that erupts throughout the Islamic world. Most recently there was the incident of a village Doctor in Pakistan who was lynched because someone accused him of throwing a page of the Holy Book in the sewers. After the lynching the crowd went about destroying public infrastructure, looting shops and vandalizing taxpayer-sponsored property.

Remember idolatry arises not from hatred but an extreme of adoration and devotion. It is when you begin to love a human being more than you love God that you begin to commit idolatry. It is when you begin to love money more than God that you commit idolatry.

It is when you begin to associate irrational zeal and passion to an aspect of religion or a religious icon is when you begin to commit a sin. It is when you misplace the source of your salvation be it money, the saints, books or the Prophet’s family when you begin to elevate something to the status of a God.

Besides it being a sin irrational zeal is a weakness that your foes will most certainly exploit. You have already seen evidence of self-destructive behavior amongst Muslims when a few socialists drew a picture of a pig and wrote “Mohammad” underneath.

The resulting youth riots destroyed the fledgling and meager economy of that region. If you provide sensitive areas and “buttons” that are rooted in an unnecessary reverence your foes will most gladly press it and then watch with glee as you dance towards your destruction. Most importantly it is very easy for your foes to set you against your friends if you provide the world with simple interfaces into your psychology.

From: Idolizing the Koran
A. Shiraz
July 29, 2005

Chowk.com

so does this one:

This lady troubled Muhammand and he wanted her silenced:

Then (occurred) the sariyyah of Umayr ibn adi Ibn Kharashah al-Khatmi against Asma Bint Marwan, of Banu Umayyah Ibn Zayd, when five nights had remained from the month of Ramadan, in the beginning of the nineteenth month from the hijrah of the apostle of Allah. Asma was the wife of Yazid Ibn Zayd Ibn Hisn al-Khatmi. She used to revile Islam, offend the prophet and instigate the (people) against him. She composed verses. Umayr Ibn Adi came to her in the night and entered her house. Her children were sleeping around her. There was one whom she was suckling. He searched her with his hand because he was blind, and separated the child from her. He thrust his sword in her chest till it pierced up to her back. Then he offered the morning prayers with the prophet at al-Medina. The apostle of Allah said to him: "Have you slain the daughter of Marwan?" He said: "Yes. Is there something more for me to do?" He [Muhammad] said: "No. Two goats will butt together about her. This was the word that was first heard from the apostle of Allah. The apostle of Allah called him Umayr "Basir" (the seeing).

Frank,

Nuking mecca or killing muslims is not the way, islam is evil and muslim are the victims of this evil idealogy. We must expose this demon and the deeds of this evil prophet. The action of the prophet recounted below can make any normal human throw up.

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An unwed m o t h e r was stoned to death after she delivered the baby even though she repented profusely.

Narrated Imran ibn Husayn: Book 38, Number 4426:

A woman belonging to the tribe of Juhaynah (according to the version of Aban) came to the Prophet (peace be upon him) and said that she had committed fornication and that she was pregnant. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) called her guardian. Then the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said to him: Be good to her, and when she bears a child, bring her (to me). When she gave birth to the child, he brought her (to him). The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) gave orders regarding her, and her clothes were tied to her. He then commanded regarding her and she was s t o n e d to d e a t h.

Jacb,

The Christians like to brag about the two billion of them in the world but when their crimes against humanity, which are numerous, such as genocides, slavery, near total dissemination of local populations under their control, racism and holocaust are mentioned they claim that the perpetrators and such people of nations who committed those crimes are not Christians. So my question then is how many Christ