Why I Object to Your Specious Argument:

In short, Mikey has not learned to differentiate between what a religion's holy text commands its adherents to do and what most of its adherents actually do.

Any fair and objective reading of the Koran will yield numerous passages that speak of the necessity of "true believers" to engage in Military Jihad, as opposed to only spiritual Jihad (the struggle to conform to the will of Allah).

Maturity requires the skill to distinguish between a profound disdain for a religion's teaching that perhaps 1 in 50 adherents actually literally obey, and a genuine Christian love for all peoples -- including Muslims -- the vast majority of which disobey the commandment to engage in military Jihad and are peace-loving, good folk.

The irony is, those who disobey their own Holy Text's admonition to war against the "unbelievers" are the vast majority of Muslims worldwide. Rev. Graham has no ill words for them. His Biblically based criticism, as an evangelist, a prophet, and a Biblical Exegete, is against the Koran's insistence on Jihad that de facto, when obeyed, engages adherents in torture, maiming, murder, and mayhem.

This is what Rev. Graham and all true followers of the Christian faith recognize and rightly speak out against.

Unless and until you learn this differentiation, Mikey, you will be mired in immaturity and you will speak in specious arguments, and with inappropriately broad strokes condemn and mock people whose maturity, depth of character, ability to differentiate, recognition of nuance, and faithfulness to a core belief as delivered by God far, far exceeds your own.

Grow up, and repent.

Franklin Graham reminds me of another pseudo Christian. Jim Jones!!!

What a day when Spidermeandna Yeal9 both show up. Yeal9 apparrently knows how to copy and paste since he/she has the same post in the other section. Mike Weinstein, like many others, is offended by the evangelical forey into our arms forces at the expense on our constitutional values. Religion and the miopic view of Graham should not be the drivers behind our military, but the constitutional principles that guide our country, Justice and Liberty for All, E Pluribus Unim "Out of many, one". Muslims have been in the country since the 1600s and even Washington talked about the religion of the Turks. Evangelicals need to be more accepting of other faiths. If you really think islam "evil", violent", "false" and "wicked" go spend time with patriotic Muslis in America and learn from them.

Mikey Weinstein,
phobia is a mental disease. Are you a Board certified psychiatrist to make this diagnosis ? If not, you are practicing Medicine (making a diagnosis ) without a license, illegal in most states.

I might be more impressed with the MRFF if it took a stand against all religious bigotry including that by Muslims in the military. Where was the MRFF when Maj Nidal Hassan was giving lectures saying non-Muslims should have our heads cut off and boiling oil poured down our throats? Where were the demands from MRFF that Maj Hassan be removed from the military after making these hateful statements? We now know that Maj Hassan went on to kill 13 unarmed American soldiers while shouting Allah Akbar. Maj Hassan is the kind of religious bigot groups like MRFF should be acting against. The attacks on Franklin Graham are an empty gesture and look like pandering to the Muslim minority.

fr spidermean2:

>...False Christianity in America like supporting gay marriage...

When I married my lovely WIFE in June 2008 in a gay marriage ceremony, our UMC minister was a special invited guest at our wedding. She couldn't perform the ceremony herself, but she has blessed our marriage in more ways than one. She is a prime example of a true Christian.

Deal with it, yeal, that someday there WILL be Marriage EQUALITY in all 50 states and DC. Best get used to it, now.

It's quite likely that texts from the koran have been taken out of context but to also reference the particular biblical scripture (psalm 137) mentioned in this article, it was regarding babylon from the perspective of an Israeli psalmist, Babylon was a city that had previously desecrated Jerusalem and their inhabitants (adults and children), and, being that one of the Jewish ordinances was "an eye for an eye" as Jesus later "fulfilled" redeeming believers of the necessity to exact judgement, it was surely an obligation of an ancient Israeli believer to deal similarly with the offenders (babylon). Thus dashing their children against rocks was, although violent, retribution as opposed to an impulsive and irrational command that lacks an appropriate foundation. It's one thing to exact revenge, it's quite another to hatefully attack those who disagree with you peacefully.

Franklin Graham would have been more accurate if he didn't stop blaming Islam alone. There were plenty of reasons why God allowed the attacks to succeed. False Christianity in America like supporting gay marriage, abortion, evolution, atheism, pornography. ACLU and MRFF with Mikey Weinstein are equally destructive with what extreme Islam preaches.

quietamerican1 wrote "Good, wonderful, beautiful people—worthy of our respect—are all around this world, in endless, dazzling variety. Franklin Graham and his fellows do not understand this truth. "

Not very accurate. When this person see what's coming (World War 3)and why it will occur, he might wonder if he's the one listening to gossip too much.

Poor guy.

Thank you Mikey:
I hope that more and more folks join their voices with yours’ each & every day. It is long past the time for Americans of good will to speak back against christian (lower case) fundamentalist blowhards; for they have, for decades now, been speaking against America, slandering the name of a Good country and a Good people before the whole world.

***Before I go any further I want to make it clear that, in this post, I use the phrase “christian fundamentalist” in lower case to distinguish the Franklin Grahams, Pat Robertsons, James Dobsons et al from Christian Fundamentalists, Evangelicals, Orthodox, Liberal or whatever variety of Christian believer. I think most folks know of what and of whom I am posting.***

Taking the words of Franklin Graham and countless other loud-mouthed “ambassadors of christ” as genuine Christian testimony, one might think Christianity to be a cult in which gossip & blaming others as being the cause of any & every wrong (real or imagined) while not considering one’s own actions, words & thoughts, is the highest virtue.

THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF JESUS’ TEACHINGS!

It’s clear to me that countless Christian fundamentalists (lower case) indulge in perverse fantasies: pretending to be persecuted Christian Martyrs and taking it out on their neighbors. These folks are, in JESUS’ NAME, promoting, an unhealthy; Politically Correct Popular Culture of Crybabies, who constantly whine, “everyone is picking on us.” What a sick counter-Christian fantasy! No one is persecuting these people; and yet, they can’t even bare their IMAGINARY crosses in a Christ-like manner:

“Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven…”

I served in the U.S. Navy in the early 1970s—I was no hero & I certainly got a better deal from my Country than my Country got from me. I will always be grateful for the friends I met and the lessons I learned in those four years. I cherish the memory of an elderly French couple telling me about the American GIs of WWII—I met so many Europeans who loved Americans. I learned something about friendship & respect: that which is worthy of respect resides in the individual, not in one’s faith tradition, belief or unbelief, what part of the country or world one is from, or ones political leanings. Over the years I’ve come to realize that people of good will, religious & non-religious, live by a principle of respecting others: “do as you would be done by.”

Good, wonderful, beautiful people—worthy of our respect—are all around this world, in endless, dazzling variety. Franklin Graham and his fellows do not understand this truth. Perhaps they are too busy gossiping.

Nobody wants Doomsday to occur, but honestly, it gives you a sigh of relief when Doomsday is coming to weed out those who are instruments for making Doomsday a reality.

These idiots are like bacteria who are dying in their own wastes. It's called fermentation.

The Pentagon should be very careful with itself. It has populated its ranks with "bacteria" starting with Gen Mullen.

"I laugh at those who wrongly assume it means Christian evangelicals. "

It's clear that is what he means. Wikipedia will describe it very plainly for you.

"Mike Weinstein left Mr. Perot's employ in 2006 to focus his full-time attention on the nonprofit foundation he founded in March 2006 TO DIRECTLY BATTLE the evangelical, fundamentalist religious right;" (WIKIPEDIA)

Mikey specifically stated "religious fundamentalism", i.e., anyone who believes he/she is entitled to force his/her religion down anyone else's throat, especially those with a convert or kill mentality.

I laugh at those who wrongly assume it means Christian evangelicals. Millions of evangelical Christians proselytize outside of government work hours and offices, by offering, inviting, setting a good example, and otherwise attempting to considerately bring in converts. Mikey will be the first to tell you: many of these are his clients! These are not religious fundamentalists.

"Religious fundamentalists" include Muslim terrorists right along with Christian crusader types who murder doctors, attack policemen and their funerals, form cults that end with toxic Kool Aid, and so on.

One Muslim terrorist does not make all Muslims terrorists, and one murderous Christian does not make all Christians murderous Crusaders, killing in the name of Christ.

"Mike Weinstein left Mr. Perot's employ in 2006 to focus his full-time attention on the nonprofit foundation he founded in March 2006 TO DIRECTLY BATTLE the evangelical, fundamentalist religious right;" (WIKIPEDIA)

Why is this madman's voice heard when he himself thinks that Evangelical Christianity is evil? If he thinks Graham is unqualified for thinking that Islam (not Muslims) ,which just comprise less than 0.01percent of the Pentagon, is evil, what makes this madman qualified to dictate the Pentagon when more than 25% or even more of the PEOPLE he thinks are evil comprise the U.S. military?

There is a big difference when you think that the people and not just the religion is evil in which the madman Weinstein subscribe. I myself believe that Catholicism and Islam are evil but I find the people who practice it as victims and not merely categorized them as evil people.

This idiot don't understand Evangelical Christianity and he is let loose to pursue a goal to destroy it based on stupidity and ignorance.

This man is putting the whole of America in danger and putting him in jail may be good for him and the rest of the world. It might prevent Doomsday.

Mikey Weinstein is a disgrace to America, as Islam is the anti-thesis of our way of life. It allows extortion, lying, and rape. Yet Mikey stands up for Islam. If he is a Jew, he is also standing up for a religion that says that Muslims have to fight and kill Jews to reach judgement day.

For more on the issue.

http://loganswarning.com/

All atrocities are condemned, contemporary i.e. Islamic terror and those done in the past:

The Twenty (or so) Worst Things People Have Done to Each Other:

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat0.htm

Rank Death Toll Cause Century

1 55 million Second World War 20C
2 40 million Mao Zedong (mostly famine) 20C
3 40 million Mongol Conquests 13C
4 36 million An Lushan Revolt 8C
5 25 million Fall of the Ming Dynasty 17C
6 20 million Taiping Rebellion 19C
7 20 million Annihilation of the South and North American Indians 15C-19C
8 20 million Iosif Stalin 20C
9 19 million Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C
10 18 million Atlantic Slave Trade 15C-19C
11 17 million Timur Lenk 14C-15C
12 17 million British India (mostly famine) 19C
13 15 million First World War 20C
14 9 million Russian Civil War 20C
15 8 million Fall of Rome 3C-5C
16 8 million Congo Free State 19C-20C
17 7 million Thirty Years War 17C
18 5 million Russia's Time of Troubles 16C-17C
19 4 million Napoleonic Wars 19C
20 3 million Chinese Civil War 20C
21 3 million French Wars of Religion 16C

yeal9: you left out the 12 million gays, gypsies, Jews, Slavs, and others killed in the totally-Christian Holocaust.

And don't forget the holy Catholic rite of child molestation.

in many ways i read mikey whinestin more offensive with politik kunrectnezz. the military is geting to be more of a daycare/centr for single unmarried females then real soldiers. what great benies?! i want to know what happen at fort hood!!?? i want mikey to shake loose what happened at fort hood, and tell us all. stop bowing to the minority shamolta jihadists in the u.s.a. go back if you cannot find a mosk in my neighborhood; i do not want one here. neal hallock good buddy.

One thing is for sure. Abraham, who was probably the original Satan, never taught his children to play well together.

Thank you Mr. Weinstein for stating clearly what should be obvious to all of us who value our pluralist democracy. Islamophobia is the new ideology of war hawks and racists.

Why we all should be Islamophobes:

1a) 179 killed in Mumbai/Bombay, 290 injured

1b) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh

2) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens, 1000’s injured

3) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US Troops 3,482 killed in action, 912
in non-comabat, 95,888 – 104,595 Iraqi civilians killed, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

4) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded 85.[2]

5) Bali-in 2002-killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.

6) Bali in 2005- Twenty people were killed, and 129 people were injured by three bombers who killed themselves in the attacks.

7) Spain in 2004- killing 191 people and wounding 2,050.

8) UK in 2005- The bombings killed 52 commuters and the four radical Islamic suicide bombers, injured 700.

9) The execution of an eloping couple in Afghanistan on 04/15/2009 by the Taliban.

10) Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan: US troops killed in action 745, 210 killed in non-combat situations as of 04/17/2010. en.wikipedia.org/.../Civilian_casualties_of_the_War_in_Afghanistan_(2001–present reported that 13,372 - 32,969 Afghan civilians have been killed by direct and indirect armed conflict through 2009.

11) The killing of 13 citizen soldiers at Ft. Hood by a follower of the koran.

12) 38 Russian citizens killed on March 29, 2010 by Muslim women suicide bombers.

As per Mickey W:

"On October 15, 2009, the Military Religious Freedom Foundation was officially nominated for the 2010 Nobel Peace Prize. The nominator, who wishes to remain anonymous, happens to be the only Christian in the upper chamber of his country’s national parliament; the country is an ally of the United States. Shortly thereafter, another anonymous Qualified Nominator submitted a second official nomination for MRFF for the 2010 Nobel Peace Prize."

Could this be a con since the list of Nobel prize nominees are kept secret for fifty years?? Hmmmm???

Keep doing what you're doing, Mikey. Us non-Christians are right there with you!

"I'm glad Jerry Falwell is dead"

o nvm

Highlight everything and drag it to a new window: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://img.youtube.com/vi/TkkjcmI4M9A/0.jpg&imgrefurl=http://bdyoutube.com/tag/Muslim/orderby-viewCount/page1.html&usg=__ixdGNfq1r1DW6n52s67PEqPyXeQ=&h=360&w=480&sz=11&hl=en&start=202&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=jbIsAkSe__Ab3M:&tbnh=97&tbnw=129&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dfunny%2Bislam%26start%3D189%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26rlz%3D1G1GGLQ_ENUS360%26ndsp%3D21%26tbs%3Disch:1

you will see a vid that says Obama admits He is a muslim.

And does anyone object to Mikey Weinstein's obvious abuse of his "non-profit" group?

Again with respect to Mikey Weinstein's IRS Form 990:

Mikey W is the president of the non-profit Military Religious Freedom Foundation and therefore must file an IRS Form 990. This report then becomes part of the public record. Said foundation must report donations, salaries, expenses etc. on this form. And Mikey W's salary for 2008 was ? And the donations were?????

As per Form 990 (guidestar.org), Mikey W's salary for 2008 was $252,485. Total donations made to his foundation for 2008 were $545,434. Non-profit???

Mikey Weinstein is President and Founder of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, which has been nominated for the 2010 Nobel Peace Prize????

Since the nominee list for Nobel prizes are kept secret for fifty years, there is no way to confirm Weinstein's claims.