Enough with the anti-pedophile vendetta. It is starting to form a pattern.

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The "pattern" formed centuries ago when Catholic clergy decided their Christ-in-a-box gave them permission to exploit little boys' bodies. People have finally had enough of the Church's collective middle finger wagging at civil authority while trying to bully our democracy.

The roman catholic church was not founded by jesus christ.
Jesus christ said that if you want to be saved, surrender up all your worldly goods and follow me.
A bunch of guys got together in rome and founded the catholic church around 300-400 AD, well after jesus left the scene,never to be heard from again(except in frequent delusional and psychotic breaks by the 'faithful')

More poor devils who drop hard earned cash every sunday into the archbishops pocket.sad.I wonder how many immigrants from non-catholic countries,say,turkey, the arch-y would let in,hummm??

It is disturbing as you say, money laundering, lobbying, buying off politicians.... I've heard worse, Catholics have first loyalty to the Pope not their country.

Perhaps this should be reserved for another thread. We are discussing immigration. Unless the Catholic Church is illegally behind the scenes doing something with immigration.

Molestation is not the topic of this thread.

G'night.

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Sorry, it is an insult to morality that this man, who shielded pedophiles, including a direct subordinate who raped an infant, blogs here.

He has answered no questions upon advice of his lawyer, and the LA District Attorney has bowed to pressure from him.

His "concern" is not immiagration. It is with increasing the number of Catholics in America. His church has a Pastoral Plan for Hispanics," which is to serve as a bullwark against the Evangelicals who are making inroads in the Latino community.

This man cares nothing for humanity or for morality. He has obstructed justice and should be brought up on charges. He has increased the risk to children in LA.

He and his church care nothing about immigrants. Nothing at all.

He should not be blogging here.

I think immigration has much to do with the fact that in Catholic countries in the Western hemisphere, contraception is a sin. They have plenty of people wanting out (and in someplace). It is their own fault....

I am sponsoring a 16 year old kid in Guatemala. They warn not to give your address in a letter or you'll get sob stories left and right.

Malthus thought population would rise then come crashing down from starvation or illness.

So what does the Pope want with one or two billion people anyway? A holy war?

It is disturbing as you say, money laundering, lobbying, buying off politicians.... I've heard worse, Catholics have first loyalty to the Pope not their country.

Perhaps this should be reserved for another thread. We are discussing immigration. Unless the Catholic Church is illegally behind the scenes doing something with immigration.

Molestation is not the topic of this thread.

G'night.

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Can we put aside this obsession with pedophiles who happen to belong to a certain religion? Some people are pedophiles and most aren't. That happens to go for Catholics and people in general.

Look, I was molested by a so-called Mormon. You don't see me trying to tear down the Latter Day Saints church do you?

Also it is easy to call yourself any religion you want, but it is also easy for Jesus to dismiss you into the Lake of Fire for being a false Christian.

Enough with the anti-pedophile vendetta. It is starting to form a pattern.

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Did the mormon "pope" protect thousands of pedophiles? Did he have an immediate subordinate who had a twenty-year pedophilia career and did the mormon Cardianl protect him, like Mahony protected that one, O'Grady, who raped an infant? And all the others Mahony protected?

This has nothing to do with ordinary people of this religion or that. There are pedophiles of every hue and color. They include clergy.

Only the Vatican is simultaneously a Nation, A Religion, and a recipient of Nonprofit status in this and other countries, a nation that systematically protected criminals who raped not only Catholics but others.

Its cardinals were dictated to and supported by the Pope who also protected and moved pedophile priests. It was able to make deals with law enforcement and still its. The LA District Attorney is notorious for his complicity with Mahony.

Added to its worldwide pedophiliia and cover-ups thereof, it is a criminal money-launderer, etc. See below for my posts and others on this.

As well, it meddles in Congress, manipulates legislation, etc. It is in violation of Rico among many other things.

The corruption of a court which deems Vatican Nation a sovereign state, and therefore immune to law suits, while allowing it to maintain nonprofit status is mindboggling.

Simply put, an investigation into the activities of Vatican Nation should be undertaken by the international community. Its crimes against humanity are too long to list here.

Here is one pro-immigration concern. I was watching Earth 2100 on ABC last June and Mexico seemed to be baked over into adobe because of global warming. Lucy, the protagonist, was an EMT called to a shooting on the border where the military had opened fire on desperate refugees.

Do you think Mexico and Central America could be one big sandbox?

Complain if you want to if a certain Catholic official won't allow gay rights. He is doing his job.

What did you expect? Lev. 18:22 (Law of Moses) and never overturned in the New Testament (see Acts 15:29, this is important). In fact, repeated in Romans 1. (Read Matthew 5:18 about what Jesus said about NOT coming to do away with the Law (of Moses).)

The reason my Protestant church and the Catholic church will never bless a gay wedding is because it sends the message gay sex can be OK under certain circumstances. The job of our churches is to send a message that it is never OK, ever. You know what happens after weddings, maybe as soon as they find a hotel. There are a few celibate marriages in the People's Almanac. Just a few.

Congratulations on your DC law. Call it a victory and leave the religion in our hands. If you want to join us fine, follow our guidebook. Take it or leave it. I intend to leave you rather much alone. I don't have the energy to waste on people who don't care about getting saved.

About the women, I think he is out of line to ban birth control, but then again, he is a Catholic and he is doing his job, like his Master in Rome tells him to.

Moderator, Why you don't publish my comment? You post only the ones against the immigration, you did not post any of the comment pro-immigration, why? Is this the Washington Post political view?, are you racist as well as the others? Be neutral, be a good journalist

"I am here to provide that guidance. Please ask if you require enlightenment on any subject. If you question is novel and I do not have an answer immediately at hand, I can simply apply Conservative philosophical principles to your conundrum and provide you with appropriate wisdom and specific advice."

That's quite a belief system you've created for yourself. Congratulations; it seems to make you happy.

I can also recognize that even though Jack Chick's assessment of the Catholic Church is most disturbing to Protestant readers, many Catholics as individuals love Jesus and read their Bibles, and follow their Bibles according to their conscience instead of blindly obeying their priests and Fathers.

Hypothetically, getting married and having natural family planning would be much more complicated than having contraceptive methods that don't accidentally allow conception and kill fertilized eggs. Hey, we agree, Protestants don't like it either.

Can we put aside this obsession with pedophiles who happen to belong to a certain religion? Some people are pedophiles and most aren't. That happens to go for Catholics and people in general.

Look, I was molested by a so-called Mormon. You don't see me trying to tear down the Latter Day Saints church do you?

Also it is easy to call yourself any religion you want, but it is also easy for Jesus to dismiss you into the Lake of Fire for being a false Christian.

Enough with the anti-pedophile vendetta. It is starting to form a pattern.

ZZIM,

Cardinal Mahony protected pedophiles with careers decades long. This included O'Grady, a direct subordiante of this bastard, O'Grady who raped an infant.

This bastard, Mahony, has also been a staunch opponent of gay rights, women's rights etc. He has a lawyer, who, thus far, has kept protected him from facing charges.

He is the tip of the iceberg. As I've posted repeatedly, the Vatican was deemed a foreign nation in a recent Apellate Court ruling, and, therefore, immune to lawsuits.

At the same time, Vatican Nation is a tax exempt civil institution??!!

Said corrupt ring of pedophile priests and their protectors are currently under investigation in Italy for laundering 200 million mafia dollars. They would be the dollars of the mafia is over-running Italy and summarily executes any elected officials who have attempted to stem the flow of organized crime.

This corrupt American Foreign Vatican Pedophile Nation is currently seeking rights for Catholics to come here and has devised a "pastoral plan" for them, full text available at Amazon.

Said pastoral plan is to be a bullwark against the Evangelicals who are making considerable headway among Latinos, but not Mexicans, thus far.

This corrupt foreign nation manipulates legislation, eg., the health care bll, conscience clauses etc..

Taken together all of this constitutes racketeering. Simply put, and this is no exaggeration, they are in violation of the Rico Act.

So, too, are those who have been in cahoots with them, senators, congressmen, etc.
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Btw., I've posted on the Apellate Court case in which Vatican Nation was reaffirmed a nation in the United States.

The case was initiated by Serbian, Jewish, and Roma survivors and their heirs, victims of 200 Nazi Franciscan priests who ran and operated concentration camps. These Nazi priests cut people to pieces with scissors and watched them bleed to death. They impaled them in water and watched them drown.

The Nazi Franciscan priests took what their victims had and deposited in Vatican Bank, established by Saint Pope Pius XII as a repository for Nazi loot.

The Vatican refuses to settle.

Just like they refuse to release their holocaust era documents.
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Have I been to mass in LA? No. I've been to mass though. I wouldn't enter an Roman church again without a suit protecting me from contamination. And an oxygen tank.

And, btw., why is it that the RCC is so concerned about Hispanics, in particular?

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Because most of them are at least nominally Catholic. So it makes sense that the Church would take a pro-Hispanic immigrant stance.

Cardinal Mahony is Bishop of Los Angeles. Have you ever attended Mass in Los Angeles?

So, where do Leftist-Americans fit in the taxonomy of evil?

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Leftist-Americans are not inherently evil, merely nice but misguided souls who require guidance and leadership from conservatives, lest they inadvertantly do harm to themselves and others. Sort of like children, except that they vote.

I am here to provide that guidance. Please ask if you require enlightenment on any subject. If you question is novel and I do not have an answer immediately at hand, I can simply apply Conservative philosophical principles to your conundrum and provide you with appropriate wisdom and specific advice.

There is no question that we need a more humane and open immigration policy.

However, this man, Mahony, is among the last on earth to speak to us on this or on any other matter. His interest in the matter is not moral, and his hands are FILTHY.

Mahony protected pedophile priests, including one who raped children for twenty years, among those little ones, an INFANT. To REPEAT: Mahony knowingly protected a pedophile with a twenty-year pedophile career, WHO RAPED an INFANT. See below for my cut and paste On Cardinal Mahony, or see Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Mahony
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And, btw., why is it that the RCC is so concerned about Hispanics, in particular?

See their Pastoral Plan for Hispanics (for America, in fact)

Start here:

http://www.usccb.org/hispanicaffairs/plan.shtml

Mahony is capitalizing on the human misery of millions of people. I suppose this is to be expected from a man who shields an raper of infants and gets away with it.

Mahony needs to stand trial for obstruction of justice, among other things.

So, where do Leftist-Americans fit in the taxonomy of evil?

Are they more evil or less evil that liberals?

Are they more evil or less evil that partisan Democrats?

Are they more evil or less evil that obstructionist Republican demagogues?

Are they more evil or less evil that plain old demagogues?

I couldn't find any information on this in Wikipedia.

I don't think Obamacare will stop the military industrial complex.

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Nope, probably not. I think it’s a silly (and weak) argument myself. Nevertheless, it’s a commonly-argued position from Leftist-Americans.
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I don't think Obamacare will stop the military industrial complex. Before World War I it was assumed a nation could not sustain a war once it ran out of money. Britain kept fighting with loans from the United States. Suffice it to say that even the winners were paupers after the war, and oddly, Britain was a smaller country after the war (Ireland gained independence). In a book by Niall Ferguson, a case was easily made that Britain, a victor, suffered just as much as the losers.

"Liberals are in fewer places than you might think. As such, there is a limit to the amount of damage they can do."
You might mention this to Rush, et al., the next time that you see them.
It might calm them down a bit.
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Rush, Obama, Palin, Al Franken, et al are demagogues. Calming people down is the opposite of what gains them notoriety, influence and money.
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The Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ himself, please have a little respect!!!
Posted by: miguelopop | March 22, 2010 7:22 PM

Well, well. I'm not going to have any respect for what it is nothing more than a BIG, VERY BIG FAT LIE. And if ever there was one, that it is the one.

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"U.S. citizenship needs to be a dominant gene from either parent or earned bureaucratically."

I don't think that there is "U.S. citizenship" gene.

There may be one for cleft chins; will that do?

"Liberals are in fewer places than you might think. As such, there is a limit to the amount of damage they can do."

You might mention this to Rush, et al., the next time that you see them.

It might calm them down a bit.

I'll stick to topic, we need to amend the 14th amendment to end birthright citizenship. Ireland ended birthright citizenship because it was abused. It is being abused here. U.S. citizenship needs to be a dominant gene from either parent or earned bureaucratically.

Perhaps you should run for public office. I truly, truly, truly believe that you are the only person who can save this country from all of those evil liberals. Just be careful; they're everywhere, I tell you, everywhere.

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Liberals are in fewer places than you might think. As such, there is a limit to the amount of damage they can do.

"Liberals are willing to spend enough to keep foreign invaders off our shores, they’re just not willing to keep foreign invaders off of our foreign allies’ shores."

Perhaps you should run for public office.

I truly, truly, truly believe that you are the only person who can save this country from all of those evil liberals.

Just be careful; they're everywhere, I tell you, everywhere.

"One of the positive effects of Obamacare (from a Liberal viewpoint) is that it will make reasonable national defense spending impossible. The world will not be better off."
Oh man, too bad you weren't there in Congress to enlighten them to this. Now we're all doomed. Might as well just head for the hills.

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Hi PSolus. No, we’re not doomed. Millions of foreigners will die, but it shouldn’t affect Americans very much.

Liberals are willing to spend enough to keep foreign invaders off our shores, they’re just not willing to keep foreign invaders off of our foreign allies’ shores.

I agree. Now that health care reform will pass, we can move on to other important issues. I expect to see this emerge as a priority in the coming months.
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I support immigration reform, too. It is extremely unfortunate that President Bush’s immigration reform was stopped by Democratic partisanship and a few obstructionist Republican demagogues.

But Obamacare makes immigration reform impossible. The only was it was able to pass is because Obama and Pelosi were able to lie about illegal immigrants getting coverage. If President Bush had managed to pass an amnesty policy, then the cost of covering those 11 million illegals would have to have been included in the bill.

But now we have Obamacare. We can’t pretend we don’t. We can’t afford to offer free medical care to 11 million illegal immigrants (we will anyway, but that’s not the point). So any amnesty program will force Congress to account for the cost of covering all those new citizens.

Amnesty is dead, Obamacare killed it. I personally would have preferred amnesty over Obamacare. We can’t have both.

"One of the positive effects of Obamacare (from a Liberal viewpoint) is that it will make reasonable national defense spending impossible. The world will not be better off."

Oh man, too bad you weren't there in Congress to enlighten them to this. Now we're all doomed. Might as well just head for the hills.

If the Europeans need to go to war, they form a coalition right? Why are we big on the bulk of the troops/causalties business while our "allies" provide token support?

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Because token support is all they can afford. Socialized medicine (among other things) devours all of the state budget.

One of the positive effects of Obamacare (from a Liberal viewpoint) is that it will make reasonable national defense spending impossible. The world will not be better off.

cmarshdtihqcom,

You are obviously angry, confused, and scared, and you are asking a lot of questions.

I can't answer them for you. Sorry.

BTW, you do realize this is the comment section for an article about immigration reform from the perspective of a catholic high-hat, don't you?

If the Europeans need to go to war, they form a coalition right? Why are we big on the bulk of the troops/causalties business while our "allies" provide token support?

And I reiterate that "Western civilization" requires several of the following: paid maternity leave, national health care, some modicum of safety net.

Why are our peers investing in mass transit, walkable communities, and clean energy (French nuclear, German solar) while we're not?

Here's a big one. When the petroleum output drops precipitously and demand increases dangerously, how do we sustain our 10 petrocalories per food calorie agriculture? We can't sustain agriculture, suburbia, trucking. China is thinking about how many people it can sustain. Why aren't we thinking of how many people we could sustain without petroleum? Read http://www.dieoff.org.

"Conceded, America has people coming in."

It's not so much that people are coming in, as it is that we are having great difficulty keeping them out; many people are literally dying to come in.

"But still, America is not like its peers in the world, other rich democratic countries."

True, in many ways America is not like its peers in the world. Sometimes that's a good thing; sometimes that's not such a good thing.

And, in many ways, many of its peers in the world are not like America. Again, sometimes that's a good thing; sometimes that's not such a good thing.

Nice back-pedaling, though.

"America could learn lessons from Canada, Western and Central Europe, Japan Taiwan Singapore etc."

True, just as those countries could, and do, learn lessons from America.

Conceded, America has people coming in. But still, America is not like its peers in the world, other rich democratic countries. America could learn lessons from Canada, Western and Central Europe, Japan Taiwan Singapore etc.

It's like looking at your friends and seeing how you are.

It is a sad thing to say as a native born son of two native born parents but America is a bit of a black sheep. We can still change color though.

"America is a backward country anyway. No national paid maternity leave, no national clean energy policy, still trying to win wars by itself, only now trying to get national health care. I guess you want the economic opportunity though."

Yeah, this country really sucks; that's why we're having so much trouble getting people to come here.

"I am a more progressive thinker than maybe half of America at least. I thought about going to Canada or Britain, but then I thought this country needs people of vision not to quit trying to change things."

Boy, are we lucky to have you. Thank you so much for staying. We owe you a huge debt of gratitude.

"At least not unless America goes fascist or (maybe) if the national debt exceeds 50% of national wealth."

Please don't go--what we do without you?

No offense pieroni73, but what I think is going on is the Congress doesn't really want to allow immigrants in. They want to look like they do, but they really don't.

America is a backward country anyway. No national paid maternity leave, no national clean energy policy, still trying to win wars by itself, only now trying to get national health care. I guess you want the economic opportunity though.

I am a more progressive thinker than maybe half of America at least. I thought about going to Canada or Britain, but then I thought this country needs people of vision not to quit trying to change things.

At least not unless America goes fascist or (maybe) if the national debt exceeds 50% of national wealth.

The illegal aliens are especially cowardly when they make an American citizen child and dare us to deport them and break up the family. They use the kid like a human shield.

Birthright citizenship has to stop- it can be abused, it is being abused here, and has been abused in Ireland, it is why the Irish put a stop to it.

I think we need to follow the Irish lead and specifically indicate that citizenship must follow biologically from at least one (or both) parent(s), if it isn't granted administratively to someone with no parentage.

The 14th amendment was intended to give citizenship to slaves. It is like the 21st Amendment that reversed Prohibition, a dead amendment that did its job.

I hope it will force unemployment numbers to go down and will force underrepresented U.S. minorities to be hired. I have history on my side. During World War II, during a time of compelling national need, when 14 million men were away fighting, sexist prejudices were successfully confronted and women went to work in factories to make materiel of war. (We were still worried Japan could invade the West Coast) But women got jobs when the culture said they shouldn't and unemployment disappeared.

The Pickens Plan or building a border wall (with underground barrier, because you know they will dug under a wall) could stimulate employment too for a) free wind-powered electricity and b) to stop almost all land crossing from Mexico to America.

Or if you rather, pass a open border treaty with Mexico with full amnesty. Just enforce the law. God help us if we have to have a draft, we can't enforce immigration law, we won't be able to enforce a draft either.

The Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ himself, please have a little respect!!!

Posted by: miguelopop | March 22, 2010 7:22 PM

Where is your respect for Jesus Christ himself? Bring forth your pedophiles for justice now! (including the complicit Mahony).

What I see more in this opinion blog is the willingness to offend to somebody who doesn’t share out point of view, a bunch of people who doesn’t respect anything, because they have American citizenship, I have the same citizenship and I am not that mean. It remembers me in my law studies the attitude of the Romans toward the first Christians, kill them all! the shouted, where are the Romans now, they are history, that’s all, please the Roman Catholic Church has people inside who will have their own moment to request mercy from God, but in the meanwhile show a little of respect and humility. The Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ himself, please have a little respect!!!

How about, when you deport them, treat them with respect. A snack, some water, respectful tone of voice. They are God's children too.

The thieves on the cross were being punished as would any criminal in any country in any era. Hiding from the authorities does not make you a proper resident of this country. To be under the jurisdiction of the United States they need to be subject to law.

Also without their formal dismissal of their foreign citizenship it is in doubt whether they intend to seek American citizenship or whether they intend to go back, and whether their foreign government can hold jurisdiction over them.

It has been suggested that if their foreign government could hold jurisdiction over them, they might not be under the jurisdiction of the United States, and birthright citizenship might not apply to their children.

Build a wall and a barrier against tunneling. It could stimulate jobs.

But the important thing for Christians is to treat the deportees as God's children, as the least of these. Matthew 25.

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But of course cardinal Mahoney et alia wants Inmigration reform!

Is the only way Romanism can even begin to think of bringing in some people to their empty temples. Because even Muslim are growing faster in numbers than the Roman church is. Lest we forget all others groups and groupies.

However I read the Book and at the End we win!

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ILLEGALS ARE ILLEGAL FROM THE FIRST STEP IN THE USA. I NEVER PRESS ( 1 ) TO SPEAK ENGLISH IN THE U.S.A.. THOES GROUPS THAT SPEAK ON POLITICAL MATTER MUST FILE TAX LIKE THE REST OF AMERICANS AS THE PRICE OF TOTAL FREE SPEECH.

Mahoney needs to be either forced to retire, or resign, IMMEDIATELY, as he is NOT concerned with safeguarding children.

I see the same old BS bromides and subterfuge are here today, along with some that may require medication.
It really boils down to this "What part of illegal do you not understand?" As Congress has shown us, it isn't illegal unless you are prosecuted and these weasels pick and choose what laws they will uphold and which they will ignore . I hope the scum in the "best Congress money can buy" are dealt a blow this November as a huge majority of this country are fed up with the crap coming out of DC.

As a legal temporary immigrant, want to everybody knows how broken is your system. If illegals don't deserve to be here, fix your legal system so who deserve to be, at least can be inside the law. The system is so broke that if I apply for permanent residence it will take decades to get it, how that can be? almost any country in the industrialized words takes no more than 6-12 months (England, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Germany, etc) why here takes 10-15 years? That is gonna change the day reciprocity is applied in you american people. Waht about that? what about my Italian country kick your companies out? what about american business in other countries if no americans are allowed to work? Think about that. I'm inside the law and the law treats me same as criminal, so whats the point in been legalized?

Let the RCC take care of all current immigrants here illegally. No..... wait..... that would increase the number of potentially abused children one hundred fold. Limits on immigration allow for an orderly influx into society. It follows a path that allows the immigrant a chance to get ahead, to learn our history and culture (while celebrating their own) but I have to think if you want to live here, learn the official language please.

The number one priority is ridding the Congress of the influence of Vatican Nation, that which was re-affirmed a foreign nation in an Appellate Court decision a few weeks ago, but remains tax exempt to the tune of billions here.

There is no question that we need a more humane and open immigration policy.

In the meantime, this man, Mahony, is among the last on earth to speak to us on this or on any other matter. His interest in the matter is not moral, and his hands are filthy.

Mahony protected pedophile priests, including one who raped children for twenty years, among them, an INFANT. To repeat: Mahony knowingly protected a pedophile with a twenty-year pedophile career, WHO RAPED an INFANT. See below for my cut and paste on the pedophile protector Cardinal, or see Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Mahony
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And, btw., why is it that the RCC is so concerned about Hispanics, in particular?

See their Pastoral Plan for Hispanics (for America, in fact)

Start here:

http://www.usccb.org/hispanicaffairs/plan.shtml

Mahony is capitalizing on the human misery of millions of people. I suppose this is to be expected from a man who shields an raper of infants and gets away with it.

Mahony needs to stand trial for obstruction of justice, among other things.

And he is far from alone, among members of the RCC.
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In the meantime, let us move to develop a humane immigration policy free of corruption by the RCC.

I agree. Now that health care reform will pass, we can move on to other important issues. I expect to see this emerge as a priority in the coming months.

A Cardinal of a Church noted primarily for protecting pederast priests, and general child abuse in Ireland they described as "education" (and now Bavaria it seems), is talking about pampering illegal aliens as a MORAL issue? Whatever "moral" weight this group once had has been sodomized out of existence ...

Although you can see the logic: "Punishing illegal aliens for breaking the law is bad, just like punishing pederast priests is bad for breaking the law."

To their way of thinking, it makes some sense. Not to normal people, but to them ...

It´s nice to read you. Again the brave Catholic Church in the same side of the weak, the poor, the exploited, the nonborn, the life. There are no illegal human beings. Lets join for a world with no flags and no borders, a world for people. For everybody, no exeptions.

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Oh, really, are they. Is that why this Mahony shielded pedophiles, including, one Fr. O'Grady with a twenty-year child-rape record? Including the RAPE of an INFANT?

Is that why in Italy the Vatican is under investigation for laundering 200,000,000 mafia dollars?

Is that why Pope Pius XII established Vatican Bank to "hide" Nazi loot?

Is that why the Vatican refuses to settle with the victims of 200 Nazi Franciscan priests who tortured thousands to death with their own hands and then deposited what they had in Vatican Bank?

Is that why the Vatican is protecting Pedophile Cardinal Law?

Is that why it promoted William Cardinal Levada, who as Archbishop of San Francisco, shielded the largest pedophile priest ring in the nation, known to law enforcement as Levada's boys?

Is that why they have a Pastoral Plan for Hispanics?

What of the Muslims, Jews, Hindus, all downtrodden and poor who want to come here?

A Cardinal of a church known primarily for protecting pederast priests is citing morality? Really? And we should take him seriously because ...?

It´s nice to read you. Again the brave Catholic Church in the same side of the weak, the poor, the exploited, the nonborn, the life. There are no illegal human beings. Lets join for a world with no flags and no borders, a world for people. For everybody, no exeptions.

There is no question that we need a more humane and open immigration policy.

However, this man, Mahony, is among the last on earth to speak to us on this or on any other matter. His interest in the matter is not moral, and his hands are FILTHY.

Mahony protected pedophile priests, including one who raped children for twenty years, among those little ones, an INFANT. To REPEAT: Mahony knowingly protected a pedophile with a twenty-year pedophile career, WHO RAPED an INFANT. See below for my cut and paste On Cardinal Mahony, or see Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Mahony
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And, btw., why is it that the RCC is so concerned about Hispanics, in particular?

See their Pastoral Plan for Hispanics (for America, in fact)

Start here:

http://www.usccb.org/hispanicaffairs/plan.shtml

Mahony is capitalizing on the human misery of millions of people. I suppose this is to be expected from a man who shields an raper of infants and gets away with it.

Mahony needs to stand trial for obstruction of justice, among other things.

Just think. If employers didn't hire illegals or fired someone to pay a illegal a lower wage we wouldn't have this problem. the comments on the Arch bishops faith and the priests doesn't help. This problem got out of control and the congress more than 15 years ago wouldn't do anything. Bush sat on his hands and our citizens suffer for it. It's all about money and getting people to do dirty jobs. Everyone thinks they shouldn't have to sweat to get a pay check. The illegals will do the hard dirty jobs for peanuts.

Just think. If employers didn't hire illegals or fired someone to pay a illegal a lower wage we wouldn't have this problem. the comments on the Arch bishops faith and the priests doesn't help. This problem got out of control and the congress more than 15 years ago wouldn't do anything. Bush sat on his hands and our citizens suffer for it. It's all about money and getting people to do dirty jobs. Everyone thinks they shouldn't have to sweat to get a pay check. The illegals will do the hard dirty jobs for peanuts.

There is not doubt that people is breathing HATE, "if you are free of sin launch the first stone"... Nobody in the world is Illegal. The only people with all the Rights to claim something for this country are the Native American Indians, they are the only ones. Nobody else.

you would think they would wait til health care was officially passed before talking about immigration reform

Now all the illegals will get amnesty and we can all pay for their health care too, god what a country, get here illegally, get amnesty and get your health care paid for. We are a country of morons

Some of these posters are interesting as cases for psychiatric evaluation. No offence meant though, if it makes you feel merry, please go ahead, this country is free for expression.

If you see beauty in diversity and love peace, you will like this song in a different language which worships diversity, love and tolerance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM--V8roElM

How is it that Mahony, who protected pedophile priests, including one who raped children for twenty years, among those little ones, an INFANT, sets himself up as a leader with ethical credibility? See below for my cut and paste On Cardinal Mahony, or see Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Mahony
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And why is it that the RCC is so concerned about Hispanics, in particular?

See their Pastoral Plan for Hispanics (for America, in fact)

Start here:

http://www.usccb.org/hispanicaffairs/plan.shtml

Mahony is capitalizing on the human misery of millions of people. I suppose this is to be expected from a man who shields an raper of infants and gets away with it.

Mahony needs to stand trial for obstruction of justice, among other things.

ThomasStewart1 wrote:
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Bishops & Priests Beg Populate To NOT PASS Abortion Bill. What I proposed IS STILL EXACT SAME ABORTION TAINTED BILL. NO CHANGES IN WORDING, ONLY FAR OFF PROMISES, Weak Promises ,at that.

Cut Losses & Vote NO. Give Hon Us Congress Fighting chance to Stay Course of membership or Worse, Simply Leave United States of America at Drift, No Way to Proceed nor Ratify for ?three lONG years,Never have Seen US Public So Inflamed, since 1970s'. Chaos Is Ensuing. Wake Up US Congress & Geta Life. Becasue US Congress Can't SEE Evil, Where Majority of States & US Citizens SEE Grim Reaper.

Quit Being Babies, Grow Up, Throw Out BAD Bill Like BAD Food, just happens Sometimes.

Cease & Desist ALL Legislative activity on 2010 HEALTH CARE INSURANCE BILL.

Signed:Hon Judge THOMAS STEWART von DRASHEK M.D

ATTENTION MODERATOR:

I respectfully request that all posts by one 'newsong1', formerly known as JJ, be deleted, and that this person be banned from All Faith. He/She has almost totally disrupted this blog, and others, with complete nonsense and hatred.

Hi, Farnaz,

Obviously someone like Mahony, the Prime Protector of Pederasts, does not care about Hispanics as people. He cares because if they were not coming here, his church in America would have lost 1/3 of its membership. Note that I want a just, tough, but fair solution to the illegal immigrant problem. Those who cry to send all of them back are just lying sheep in bigot's clothing. Bush was close to at least the beginning of a solution.

Does the catholic church really have any moral credibility to voice and opinion on any subject? I think not. The Church needs to clean its own house.

You need to stop spending all your time soliciting for new members and start policing your priests!!! Our children deserve better than for you to sweep their molestations under the carpet. Deal with the important issues!!!

if the Catholic Church wants to have a political opinion they should pay taxes like the rest of us. Otherwise they should keep their self serving positions to their selves.

"Our legal immigration system, basically ignored by Congress for nearly 50 years, is outmoded and inadequate to our future labor needs, especially when the economy recovers. There are simply not enough visas for unskilled workers to come legally."

How dare you, sir? How dare you suggest that these are so-called "jobs Americans don't want" ??

There was a time in America when being a carpenter or a meat cutter or a landscaper or a painter or a miner or any of a myriad of other blue collar jobs was enough for a breadwinner to feed his family, provide them shelter and warmth, take care of their health needs, and maybe even send a child to college so their life could be better.

You of all people should know that not everyone has the capacity to become a cardinal, a rocket scientist, a politician, or a pro basketball player. Some people need good paying, stable, semi-skilled or pure labor jobs like the ones I mentioned.

You cite stories. I have stories too.

How about the story of Coy, an unemployed American construction worker with whom I stood on a street corner one morning, watching as contractors lined up to pick up as many immigrants as they thought they needed that day, loading them into the back of their pickup like cattle, and zooming off one after the other to build multimillion dollar mansions at the shore, paying them ten bucks an hour and a roast beef sandwich?

Should Coy go get in line with them, Cardinal? Is that what you're suggesting?

I find it fascinating that in your vast experience tending your flock you haven't encountered many similar occurrences. Rather, I think you just choose your anecdotes very selectively.

So no sir, these are not "jobs Americans don't want." They are jobs Americans can't afford to take because wages and benefits have been decimated from policies which you'd like to accelerate, presumably because Latinos are Catholic.

Were that not your motive, why would you, as representative of one of the wealthiest institutions known to humanity, call for legitimizing this flood of cheap labor, undermining our own citizens?

Finally, who if not you will advocate unashamedly for the American worker first just for one blessed time?

God Bless You, Father.

Immigration reform (as you conceive it) is fair to whom, Cardinal? Is it fair to the millions of people around the world who apply for legal immigration and wait years to come? Is it fair to the American taxpayer, who will suddenly be required to supply all elements of citizenship to millions of illegals, only to find out that our blind eye invites millions more?

We are nothing without the rule of law, Cardinal. It is not unreasonable for citizens to wonder what other laws you would have us ignore.

Are you sure you're not confusing charity with license?

Catholics are a deeply demented and extremely dangerous cult. Catholics have caused more deaths and suffering than all other religions combined. These people have not evolved mentally for over 2,000 years. They are still perpetuating the rites, rituals, and superstitions of cavemen. To give heed to anything this idiot spews would be nothing short of insane.

I thought the Catholic Church was against sin -- but the cardinal is saying it is OK to cheat; it is OK to lie. OK to deceive.

Spin it as you like, but illegal aliens are not "undocumented immigrants." They have no rights here; they are criminals and con artists. They are breaking our nation's laws.

We are not obligated to take on these leeches who are intent on remaking the United States in the image of their own Third World countries.

Legal immigrants are welcome, but illegals are NOT.

Shame on you, padre, for your hypocrisy.

They brought their underclass status upon themselves and their illegitimate farts, serves them right. And without our slave owning founding fathers, these border criminals would be floating down the Rio Grande, instead of in our country.

"We now live in a society that has accepted de facto the presence of a permanent underclass in our society, without equal rights or protection under the law. This is a current reality our founding fathers sought arduously to avoid."

Um no. They wouldn't have cared less. Our founding fathers were slaveowners, talk about a REAL underclass without equal rights.

These grifters and criminals can march until their feet fall off, they will never be made citizens in the manner that they demand even. And if this communist manchurian obama knows anything about this country, which appears he knows very little, he will go down as one of the detested presidents in history, and maybe even worse.

Cardinal we really do not care what you say.

Cardinal Mahony is just another piece of the Catholic Church that has condoned and hidden the molestation of thousands of little boy here in the US and thousands more abroad. Mahony has no credence to make moral judgements about anything. He is just a puppet of the immoral Catholic Church.

The US is a soveriegn nation that should be enforcing their immigration and labor laws. Senator Kennedy promised that that 1986 amnesty was the "last" one. Since then, another 6 or 7 amnesties have been granted to illegal aliens. Enough is enough, we need to enforce our law and encourage policies that follow the "rule of law". Obama cites this "rule of law" frequently and he would be a hypocrite to support another amnesty for those that knowingly broke our laws while other immigrants wait in the home countries to immigrate legally.

Hello Congress...we have record unemployment and illegal aliens have taken jobs that US citizens and legal residents want and need to support their families. We have lost low and medium skilled jobs that are never coming back and will not be replaced by other jobs. We need fewer low skilled workers not more!

We cannot support all the poor in the world, why are we supporting those that are lawbreakers?

Tax exempt status should be removed from any religious group that sticks its nose (and money and lobbyists) into politics!

We have a LEGAL PATH for prospective immigrants to follow. If they choose to sneak into our country instead, then they should not be allowed to even apply for citizenship in the future. They break our laws, refuse to assimilate (we now have TWO LANGUAGES in our country) and demand "rights" to which they are not entitled.

Would you allow someone to sneak into your church, steal the money, take communion if not Catholic, and demand that you accept them? NO - you have your rules as a church and we have our rules as a country. Don't like our rules? Then leave!

The only reform I am interested in is one of immediate arrest and deportation of any illegal immigrant and vigorous prosecution of anyone who employs them
I want them out. If anyone wants into the US, follow our laws and do it legally.

I am a catholic, but comprehensive immigration reform, accrding to the dems, is to get more vote slaves...
not to be compassionate...
latinos will be the majority in this country sooner or later...
and they want to stay in power, no matter who gets left behind...

NO. I DO NOT SUPPORT AMNESTY. ILLEGALS COME HERE WITHOUT VISAS OR COME WITH VISAS AND OVERSTAY. THIS COUNTRY IS NOT A BABYSITTER. WE CANNOT AFFORD TO LET THOUSANDS ENTER THIS COUNTRY EACH YEAR. ILLEGALS KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING WHEN THEY DO NOT OBEY OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS. SO THEY HAVE TO ACCEPT THE CONSEQUENCES. IF I ROB A BANK, CAN I ASK THE US GOVERNMENT TO GRANT ME AMNESTY? NO. SO ILLEGALS CANNOT ASK THE US GOVERNMNET TO GRANT AMNESTY. WHEN A MAN RAPES A WOMAN, CAN THAT RAPIST ASK THE US GOVERNMENT TO GRANT HIM AMNESTY? NO. SO ILLEGALS ARE NOT IMMUNE TO OUR LAWS. WE MUST ENFORCE CURRENT IMMIGRATION LAWS. WE DO NOT NEED TO CREATE NEW LAWS. DEPORT ALL ILLEGALS.

Cardinal,

The church has no moral authority on this or any issue because they have bee complicit in the crimes committed by their pedophile priests and those who would harbor them.

Illegal immigration has been a moral disaster for the Americas. The money that immigrants have paid to smugglers has fueld the murder of thousands at the border, just like the drug trade. The more immigration from Central America, the weaker those states have become, which is understable given that their ambitious people have come here. They are being taken over by criminal gangs, kidnapping and drug dealers. Immigrants have left their children behind to be raised by grandparents in order to pursue the almighty dollar and buy tvs and refrigerators for children who now have no parents and are vulnerable to gangs. The American born children are almost equally abandoned as their parents work 3 jobs to keep afloat. The number of immigrants who have children out wedlock, for whatever reason, is a scandal for a population that is at least nominally Catholic. The Church likes to teach English to the immigrants so that they can do a better job at McDonalds. The Church should be making them literate in Spanish and teaching them history and economics so they can go home and participate in saving their own countries from corruption and despotism. If we give legal status to those who came illegally,it will encourage the next generation to do the exact same thing, and we will have more gangs, murders, and dysfunctional children and they will be the underclass because you can't rise above having parents who abandon you in favor of material things. The Catholic church is not addressing the true moral issues surrounding the immigration we have seen from the Americas.

ON CARDINAL MAHONY, from Wikepedia

Sexual abuse scandal in Los Angeles archdiocese

On July 16, 2007, Mahony and the Roman Catholic Church in Los Angeles apologized for abuses by priests after 508 victims reached a record-breaking settlement worth $660m (£324m), with an average of $1.3m for each plaintiff. Mahony described the abuse as a "terrible sin and crime", after a series of trials into sex abuse claims since the 1940s were to begin. The agreement settled all outstanding civil lawsuits against the Archdiocese. The $660m-deal dwarfs the $157m settlement paid by the Archdiocese of Boston since Massachusetts law places a legal dollar cap on how much money a non-profit group can be required to pay.[15]

Beginning in 1987, the Archdiocese published its first set of written policies and procedures to deal with allegations of sexual misconduct by clergy. The first lay Board was established in 1994—called the Sexual Abuse Advisory Board. Increasing steps were taken to improve application procedures for all seminarians, and to promote the protection of children and youth. In 2002 a stronger plan was implemented, and a new Board created: the Clergy Misconduct Oversight Board. Finger printing for all Archdiocesan employees and people in ministry were required; background checks on volunteers were implemented; all clergy are required to undergo the Virtus training program, and to keep current with that program; programs such as "Good Touch, Bad Touch" were instituted across the Archdiocese.

The 2006 documentary Deliver Us From Evil (an Academy Award nominee for Best Feature Documentary) chronicles accusations that Mahony knew his priest Oliver O'Grady had a 20 year history of raping and molesting children (including one infant) but failed to keep him away from children. In 1984, a Stockton police investigation into sexual abuse allegations against O'Grady was reportedly closed after diocesan officials promised to remove the priest from any contact with children. Instead, Mahony reassigned O'Grady to a parish approximately 50 miles (80 km) east, in San Andreas, where O'Grady continued to molest and rape children. Not long after, Mahony was promoted to archbishop of Los Angeles. During one line of questioning, Mahony was asked why he claimed not to remember multiple allegations of rape by one of his own subordinates (O'Grady) when he was the Bishop of Stockton. Mahony was advised by his attorney not to answer the question.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Mahony

Mahony, people hate you for what you did and what you are. I don't see a lot of your flock coming forth to defend you. My you be a 14-year old boy in your next life and be buggered by a pedophile Catholic priest like I was. You deserve no better.

holy smoke, JJ is off his meds again

Dios te bendiga, JJ.

FARNAZMANSOURI - the link you provide connects to an extremely "toned down" precis of a much more "meaty" actual document. In it the National Conf. of RC Bishops goes on at length how Our Land was stolen from the Hispanics' ancestors and how they should continue to stick to Spanish and not assimilate.

Thomas Jefferson was correct: it is "the real Anti-Christ."

Having a gay, Hitler Youth pope after a Zyklon-B salesman replaced the assassinated JP1 (Viz. "In God's Name," Yallop) is all one need see beyond the Vatican banker Rockefeller/Bush RC Big Oil/Fed and RCScotus cashflow and multi-generational treasons.

We must secure the border, expropriate, then banish, the Fifth Column, and hang Bush and Cheney and any other tories unwilling to leave.

1776 is but one year. The Whig/Tory conflict is eternal.

Being American requires credal consciousness, righteousness, moral authority, and DEATH FOR TREASON!

Jeffersonian Exegesis

Would the cardinal be so pro-immigration if the people he wants to add were not catholic?

His church is literally bleeding from the rectum, if it doesn't replace it's membership with these third world catholic peasants soon, it will wither away here in America.

And they know that.

As others have said here, you don't help yourself by appearing in newspapers. How many people hear your name and don't think of the $660 million settlement in Los Angeles?

You should slink away like the snake you are.

Iamamerican:

Re: The National Pastoral Plan for Hispanic Ministry

My. A quick google search reveals that this plan has been endorsed by all American bishops.

I just glance briefly at the site below, which spells out the RCC document's objectives. And the RCC has objectives for others, as well. Something has to be done. They are influencing American Legislation, having special laws and clauses implemented for them, were declared a FOREIGN NATION by an appelate court a few weeks ago, yet continue to enjoy nonprofit status, have shielded, and continue to shield priest pedophiles, laundered hundreds of millions of mafia dollars, etc.

CATHOLIC WEB SITE; Plans for Hispanics

http://www.usccb.org/hispanicaffairs/plan.shtml

Mahoney is a high ranking operative in the organization America's whig Founder identified as "the real Anti-Christ" ( Viz. letter to Kerchival, January 19, 1810).

Rome's multi-pronged "Fifth Column" was able to cheat Hitler's banker's draft-dodging, closet-queen grandson into the presidency through only the votes of the Roman Catholics on the Supreme Court...to go on to commit 9/11 (Viz. "The New Pearl Harbor," Griffin, Ph.D.).

Their confidence is so great that the means by they intend to accomplish the take-over of America by promotion of illegal immigration, amnesty, naturalization, and voter registration is openly published and freely available. Their stratagem is titled, "The National Pastoral Plan for Hispanic Ministry," and is available on Amazon.com or at the Library of Congress.

America's Founders were "whigs." "Whig" means "anti-Roman Catholic."

Our Creed's three mottoes include: "E Pluribus Unum" - Of Many, One...with no mystery priesthood or false elite, the likes of which have existed in Europe for thousands of years; "Novus Ordo Seclorem" - The New Secular Order...in opposition to the Old Sectarian Order, the "Ancien Regime," of king and pope, the default historical social order against which citizen sovereignty was, and is, a terminal threat; and, "Annuit Coeptis," divine Providence blesses our endeavors. Not Buddha or Jesus, not Krishna or Allah. Only the Creator G-d of the universe. Unnamed, to be guaranteed by American Right, worshipped individually and reflected in our national polity by the singular pursuit of Truth, and Equal Justice Under the Law.

Rome, as Our Founder, Author, and Prophet said, is "the real Anti-Christ." Who believes the "gentleman of the pope," the hyper-macho Balducci, was not procuring homosexual prostitutes for the Hitler Youth-alum, and transparently gay, pope?

Who believes that convictions of pedophile priests in each of the hundreds of American Roman Catholic dioceses isn't statistically significant?

Who believes Thomas Jefferson was mistaken about Rome, particularly after Rome used Adolf Hitler as its catspaw to commit the Holocaust little more than a hundred years after Mr. Jefferson identified it as "the real Anti-Christ?" Viz. "A Moral Reckoning," Goldhagen.

Stupid people don't long remain free just as gardens unweeded rarely bear fruit.

Rome's "Fifth Column" and its Rockefeller/CFR/Bush/Gay Old Pervert treason must be expropriated and extirpated...Mahoney and his deviant, treasonous ilk, with it.

Jeffersonian Exegesis theamericanfundament.blogspot

Sorry but Cardinal Mahoney lacks the credibility to rationally comment on this issue. He fails to mention that this country was built by immigrants who assimilated into our culture, learned the language and participated fully in the education system.

Secondly, the Cardinal is guilty of participation in the pedophile scandals of the Catholic Church and accordingly should be breaking rocks at some Mexican prison.

"We can return to our tradition as a nation of immigrants and welcome and invest in them, or we can continue to turn inward to the detriment of our own interests."

Return to our tradition as a nation of immigrants?

Over a million immigrants were naturalized in 2008; over 600,000 were naturalized in 2007.

Are you under the mistaken impression that our borders have been closed to legal immigration?

Upon being sworn into office on December 4, 2000, LA District Attorney Steve Cooley told his staff, "Show no fear in pursuing the criminal element, also be fearless in the pursuit of justice."

http://da.co.la.ca.us

In regard to sexual child abuse, his website also says:

"Sexual crimes and child sexual abuse are among the most devastating of crimes. Through their criminal acts, sex crime and child sexual abuse offenders can inflict severe physical, emotional, and psychological trauma on their victims. The effects can be long-lasting; the healing process can be an arduous one.

The District Attorney’s Office understands this and vigorously seeks justice for victims of sexual assault and child sexual abuse."

All with a big asterisk that gives Roger Mahoney and the Catholic Church there special dispensation exempting them from investigation and prosecution of these crimes including Mahoney being an accessory after the fact, racketeering and committing obstruction of justice in the case of convicted child molester Nicholas Aguilar, among others.

How outrageous WaPo gives this man space here.

Mahoney, where is Nicholas Aguilar?

Cardinal Rivera of Mexico passed the pervert to you. He was convicted on your watch and now he's back in the Mexican State of Pueblo giving Mass. Have you no shame at all?
How can you look in a mirror, old man?

Roger Mahony played moved the child abusing priest from one parish to another. He fought disclosing what was known about child abusing priests all the way to the supreme court where he lost. It is an open question as to whether or not he has come clean on what he did or did not know. He should be in jail. The fact that he wants to take the high ground on any issue is an Alice in Wonderland is simply not believable. He merely wants to distract us from the fact he supported child abusing priests for years and years.

To all of you that came to the USA correctly by USA law and became citizens, I welcome you and hope you have a happy new life in YOUR new country, the U.S.A.. TO all of you that sneaked into the USA have violated USA law and are criminal from the first step as well as a libility to the American taxpayer. The only one that makes a profit with your cheap illegal labor are your illegal employeers that pay you scab wages as you hold down jobs that belong to Americans.The other problem are the groups that speakout for the illegals and do not pay tax account they claim that their groups come under the tax exampt law but they have violated the rules of the tax exampt law by speaking on politial matters. With so many violations of the tax exampt law, the American people should require their members of congress to repeal this 1913 tax exampt law and then these groups could then have full freedom of speech and pay tax like the rest of us. The U.S.A. needs no change in our immigration laws which are correctly written. Please note that the 14th amendment was written for people who enter the USA NOT BY THEIR OWN FREE WILL. Read Chief Justice Taney DRED SCOTT case of 1857. So all you ILLEGALS, please leave the USA account your are here illegal.

"Consider what happened to little Gabby, a U.S. citizen whose father was taken from their home at 5 a.m. when she was nine. Now 14, instead of playing with her friends she takes care of her baby brothers while her mother tries to make ends meet. "

If Gabby's mother is a citizen, her husband's track should be easy. If not, Gabby shouldn't be, either.

There would be less of an immigration problem if barrier contraception would be advised to women of your religion who already have a family. Barrier contraception is not immoral. Your position on this issue is outdated.