A POEM ABOUT CHILD ABUSE IN
THE WATCHTOWER SOCIETY

Suffer the little children
Jesus was heard to say
Let them come to me
Never turn them away

For children are so precious
Truly a gift from above
They are fully deserving
Of our unconditional love

We value all our children
The Watchtower declares
We shelter and protect them
Keep them from life’s snares

From the moment of their birth
And on into their youth
We teach them about Jehovah
And all his precious truth

Yet the Watchtower’s actions
Make their words a lie
For throughout their congregations
Children suffer, children cry

Their teaching gives no protection
From the danger that they face
From men that would abuse them
There is no hiding place

For these men are their brothers
And they are told they must
Always love and respect them
In them put their trust

So they are able to carry on
With their vile abuse
Safe in the knowledge
That they will not be accused

For the Watchtower’s rules demand
Two witnesses to every sinful act
So children have to suffer
And continue to be attacked

While the Watchtower turns away
Pretending not to hear
The cries of children suffering
In anguish, pain and fear

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21917798/ Jehovah's Witnesses Pedophile Bombshell

If it is true that Mr. Joel P. Engardio was a former member and the Watchtower operatives have not disfellowshipped him for already exposing them to the public to "think" about their policy of "No Blood," it is because they would not want Mr. Engardio to become a "Michael Moore." They know that if he presented on film their policy at a high level of transparency, their Watchtower operations would dramatically shrink to a stand still; the conscientiousness of the public would be raised preponderantly, forcing them to consider revoking the "No Blood" policy.

I call on to Mr. Engardio, to do just that. Make a film that demands transparency and accountability. It would be of great service to the rank and file who are under the Watchtower operatives' influence of control. The rank and file deserve to be free, at last!

From Los Angeles
Victor

To the Lisa Love comment below. Yes or No.

YES.

Fractions have no dna attached and can just as easily be taken from animal blood, and often is. Bovine

If everyone in the world was a Jehovah's Witness, there would be no war. Much less blood shed in general.

The article on Maribel was very misleading, whether intentionally or not.

Not only is Maribel Perez not a Jehovah's Witness, the article skirted around the real issue - she is without health insurance and cannot pay what it really costs for her care.

The real cost and normal charge to a insurance company for a pre-surgical care, the lung transplant, and follow-on care is upwards of $500,000.

If Maribel had insurance, she could have gotten the surgery done without blood if that was her choice.

Thus, Post article on Maribel sensationalized and misrepresented what is a very common problem, people with serious health problems but no way to pay for their care.

"High-ranking Jehovah's Witnesses I interviewed for KNOCKING said no one is excommunicated 'now' (in the past there were thousands excommunicated, and WTS has no apology for those) for taking blood, but a member who 'willfully chooses' blood has voluntarily chosen to leave the faith."

No one "willfully chooses" blood. People are not vampires just 'wanting' to take blood, for bloody sake. With their desire to live, they have not 'voluntarily chosen' to leave their God, family and friends.

There is such lack of true LOVE for these poor souls at an extremely difficult time by the JW Governing Body leadership!

The *CULT* of Jehovah's Witnesses (Watchtower corporation is run by LAWYERS who have theses as show men:
Governing Body. 12 "senile" old men......

When my Jehovah's Witness mother died in 1992 I did not know she had passed away until it came up in the social security database in 1993.I was completely cut off and treated as DEAD all because I was disfellowshipped for leaving JW and becoming a born again Christian.

I was not allowed to comfort my own mother in her last days,even though I was the family anchor,with the most money,most energy who always took care of my clan.

There is NO other group on earth not the the Taliban,not the USA prison system,not even the other notorious cults... nobody is as cruel as the JW cult!

Think about it...

JW compromise the *abstain from blood* dogma and use 80% of the unit bag of donated blood to utilize for blood *fractions*

They do not back donate themselves.
If everyone on the planet converted to the WTBTS religion tomorrow and became baptised Jehovah's Witnesses.....
Would there be any blood donated to break down into parts?

Simple question.....yes or no?

Traces of 'insidental' blood has always been OK. Even in the original Christian Congregation. (They could buy meat from non Christian markets after making reasonable inquiry as to how the animal was slaughtered, and then told to not make any further inquiry.) Plus theres small amounts of blood no matter how well drained meat is.)

Fractions, though small in amounts, are not 'insidental'. So what I do is the old equation: "Whole Blood" minus "whatever" is still "Whole Blood."

For instance, even in large volume, the clotting facter has always been allowed because Whole Blood minus clotting factor is still whole blood. (and it has no dna.)

So we're not really flip flopping. It's the old equation we've always used.

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WHAT'S THE DEAL WITH THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES REFERENCES by Joe?

Simple- Joel P. Engardio
writer, documentary filmmaker IS a former Jehovah's Witness member who was involved enough to have gone door to door.

NOW he is an outspoken Gay activist.

He is NOT disfellowshipped (excommunicated,shunned,kicked out,treated as dead)or less severe even considered an 'unapproved associate'(like the thousands of gay and lesbian JW kids who have been disfellowshipped.

The fundy Watchtower society USES him to promote direct & star in their PBS knocking promotional flick and also uses him as a major spokesman for 4 other outlets on the web
hypocrisy big time baby

Watchtower Society often sites a scripture saying "abstain" from blood but ignores Christ saying at Matthew 12:7 that God wants Mercy not Sacrifice; besides which 1 Samuel 14:31-35 shows God forgave Saul's men who ate unBLED meat to stay alive.

The Governing Body men over the Watchtower Society of Jehovah's Witnesses are fully aware of these scriptures but don't emphasize them to regular JWs.

Also, let the readers be informed that Watchtower's use of "disfellowshipping" JWs who do take emergency whole blood transfusions is harsh shunning that means loss of all normal family ties, destruction of innumerable families, and sometimes the suicides of shunned persons pushed into the deepest pits of depression.

Shame on the Watchtower's Governing Body. Christ said the stones could if needed cry out, and indeed that's what is happening -- they are tombstones, an estimated 200,000 since 1945 scattered worldwide, far worse than the Jonestown and Waco massacres put together!

Watchtower Society often sites a scripture saying "abstain" from blood but ignores Christ saying at Matthew 12:7 that God wants Mercy not Sacrifice; besides which 1 Samuel 14:31-35 shows God forgave Saul's men who ate unBLED meat to stay alive.

The Governing Body men over the Watchtower Society of Jehovah's Witnesses are fully aware of these scriptures but don't emphasize them to regular JWs.

Also, let the readers be informed that Watchtower's use of "disfellowshipping" JWs who do take emergency whole blood transfusions is harsh shunning that means loss of all normal family ties, destruction of innumerable families, and sometimes the suicides of shunned persons pushed into the deepest pits of depression.

Shame on the Watchtower's Governing Body. Christ said the stones could if needed cry out, and indeed that's what is happening -- they are tombstones, an estimated 200,000 since 1945 scattered worldwide, far worse than the Jonestown and Waco massacres put together!

“Knocking” is generally a well presented look at Jehovahs Witnesses. They have been a champion of freedom of religion for many years and I admire their fortitude in continuing the fight wherever religious liberty is threatened.

However within their own ranks such freedom and liberty is not permitted and rigorously discouraged with a series of punishments ending in disfellowshipment and shunning.

It is this serious contradiction and hypocrisy that “Knocking” fails to address which reduces the program to a Watchtower Society infomercial. Such uncritical bias is unfortunate, bringing the program into the realms of an apologists platform and thereby losing most of its credibility on the way.

Witnesses are unpopular for many reasons, none of which matched the early church except for non-political involvement, which is not exclusive to them at all. They are like carnival hucksters preaching the need to become a Jehovah's Witness or die at Armageddon. They follow the lead of Gene Smalley, Watchtower leader, who directs the Watchtower's "no blood" campaign that has caused the death of thousands over the years, while they keep redefining it and allowing JWs to take all the parts of blood separately, while never donating any blood themselves. [http://www.freeminds.org/doctrine/medicine/gene-smalley-and-the-watchtower-s-blood-transfusion-doctrine.html]

The Bible says nothing about blood transfusions. The Bible passages in question (kosher law) have to do with diet.

This deadly doctrine by the Watchtower leadership is killing men,woman and children.
The Watchtower leaders of the Jehovah's Witnesses are hypocrites, they promote no blood while at the same time use many blood fractions.

They trump the advantages of bloodless surgeries and try to grab the credit for it when in fact bloodless techniques were pioneered by non-JW doctors because of the shortage of blood donors (e.g. all the JW's who use blood fractions but don't donate back)

Within the Jehovah's Witnesses doctrine on blood there are major inconsistencies. For instance, a Witness cannot except red blood cells but they can except hemoglobin which constitutes 97% of a red blood cell.

They cannot except a minor blood component like platelets, which constitutes .17% of blood volume, but can except albumin, which constitutes a larger 2.2% of blood volume.

I challenge any of Jehovah’s Witness to show me from the Bible why accepting platelets is a sin against God but taking albumin is acceptable for a Christian. If you cannot show this from the Bible you have to admit that you are not following the Bible but rather the shifting opinion of men, namely the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Blood transfusion ban is just man-made dogma.

At its core, the Jehovah's Witnesses refusal of blood transfusions is based entirely on faith, not on science (as their own "Blood Brochure" is very specific about). Bloodless surgery as a *preference* may be more popular than it once was, but that is not the issue at hand.

The *doctrine* and practice of letting someone die rather than allow the use of blood in life-threatening situations is the real issue. And at its core is the blind adherence to the dictates of an organization of men.
The "blood issue" is the JW's Jonestown Kool-Aid. It is their baseless test of loyalty to their Society. Despite the fact that it makes little sense to a silent majority of them anymore, they think it proves their faithfulness to "God's organization" People who die refusing blood, or who let their children die,are considered heroes.
The Watchtower has teams of lawyers to protect itself from wrongful death lawsuits.

http://www.ajwrb.org/basics/abstain.shtml
JW hypocritically USE Blood when they want to


The thousands of deaths caused by the JW misinterpretation of the Bible does not go away nor is it justified because of emerging technology of *bloodless* treatments.

The complications that can arise from blood transfusions are well documented. The reasoning used by the writer questioning why Jehovah's Witnesses accept organ transplants where trace amount of blood can be received is ignorant. Okay so I guess that since all traces of blood cannot be removed from our food, we should all eat unbled meat. The bible principle that supports the stand taken by Jehovah's witnesses is found in the bible at Genesis 9:4,and Acts 15:28,29. Those who do not believe in religion/bible, have the right to feel that way; but attacking someone because they have faith in God, is the same as attacking someone for putting faith in man's ability to solve everything....yeah that's working out well.

This is what comes of mixing superstition and reality.

Real world problems cannot be solved using superstitious beliefs and thinking.

I a world of morals the very fact that a parent would deny a child what they need to be healthy would disqualify them from having any say over that childs medical care!! jehovah witnesses are proof America is the most depraved country on planet earth.

Thorny is an understatement.

On the one hand, while children aren't property, they also cannot give or withold legal consent for medical treatment - the right to consent or refuse lies with their parents until they are of legal age. If we allow doctors to ignore the parents' refusal of blood and transfuse without consent, then how far do we carry that?
If a child has cancer and the child and parents decide together to simply go with palliative care for whatever time the child has left, should the child be given chemo against hizzer and the parents' wishes?
When my daughter had a cold/flu as a child, I didn't take her to the doctor - I treated her symptoms with home remedies. Should I have been legally mandated to get a scrip for antibiotics?

It would be nice if there was a one-size-fit-all answer for such issues, but there just isn't.

Yet again we see the rank stupidity of religious beliefs. Instead of trying to expand the ways to reduce suffering and finding cures, we see these doctors and hospitals wasting resource to pander to these ignoramuses. Which again is born out of the stupidity of the society to hold religious beliefs as befitting respect instead of in ridicule. Most of all the appalling thing is the bigotry of the church goers in ostracizing the poor woman, who finally came to her senses for the sake of her children. So these pious bigots could not respect that decision, no no no. Instead they have to punish her. This we are supposed to respect? Look at these bigots they demand that we show respect to their superstition, ignorance and downright bigotry, but when it is their turn to show some decency and respect to others choices and beliefs they say to us "POX ON YOU". This whole thing nauseating.

This is the societal cost of religion -- doctors who should be developing treatments to prolong all our lives or improve health among poor people, are instead developing techniques to get around the objections of a small number of people who believe in a faith that's demonstrably false.
(cf. creationism and Armageddon in 1975)

Side-topics aside, what this is *really* about is that we've never gotten around to define the rights of minors, only occasionally to regulate them. It's another holdover *from* the old Biblical idea that women and children and 'infidels' actually *are property.*

Of course it gets thorny.

And, before you're off and running with that, Yeal, there's a few kinds of crazy: Among them are crazy-*kind,* crazy-*random* crazy-*stern,* and crazy-*mean.*

I prefer the former end of that spectrum. :)

Though, I suppose, in an extremely-repressed environment, Yeal, that book may be presumed to be *so* crazy that it must contain a certain "Insoothiness."

Actually, if you read it like someone from California having a bad acid trip, it's a bit more amusing. Also clearly intended at the time to refer to a bunch of stuff that already fell down. :)

"""Nineteenth-century agnostic Robert G. Ingersoll branded Revelation "the insanest of all books".[69]""

It's gotta be on the short list anyway. :)

"The twist in Maribel Perez's story, featured in Wednesday's editions of The Washington Post, is that she changed her mind. She is now willing to have the operation with blood because she feared leaving her two elementary school-age children motherless. Her Jehovah's Witness congregation has reportedly shunned her."

How very "Christian" of her congregation!!!!

Then we have this: from answers.com

"Jehovah's Witness

Member of an international religious movement founded in Pittsburgh, Pa., by Charles T. Russell in 1872. The movement was originally known as the International Bible Students Association, but its name was changed by Russell's successor, Joseph Franklin Rutherford (1869 – 1942). The Witnesses are a millennialist group whose beliefs are based primarily on the apocalyptic sections of the Bible, notably Daniel and the Book of Revelation. They refuse to perform military service or salute the flag, actions which have brought them into direct conflict with governments around the world. They are famous for their door-to-door evangelizing and for refusing blood transfusions; they believe there is scriptural justification for all their actions and beliefs. Their goal is the establishment of God's kingdom on earth, and they hold that Jesus — who is believed to be God's first creation rather than one person in a trinity — is God's agent in this plan. Their national headquarters is in Brooklyn, N.Y.; their major publications, the Watchtower and Awake!, are published in about 80 languages."

You have to wonder if Charles T. Russell and Joseph Smith were related.

Then there are these following quotes about the Book of Revelation i.e. the JW's operating manual:

From Wikipedia:

"Nineteenth-century agnostic Robert G. Ingersoll branded Revelation "the insanest of all books".[69]

Thomas Jefferson omitted it along with most of the Biblical canon, from the Jefferson Bible, and wrote that at one time, he considered it as "merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams." [70]

I think this whole kind of mess is about *textual absolutism* more than how sincere anyone is in their interpretation of it: what's really at issue here is that whether you believe it's your right to deny children medical treatment or 'exorcise' them, by whatever means... Especially while trying to tell other adults when they can even have sex,never mind keep their kids... Is that...

In America, children and young adults are not *property,* no matter how you read your Bible.

While some try to use the government and other pressures to compel others about their own sexual and reproductive lives, some of these same people treat Americans (and women) as property subject to their books when said young people enjoy very dubious legal rights of their own.

Being born claimed by Catholics does not mean that the Church had any right to override my own personal integrity.

The problem, here, is *certain ambiguity* when absolutes compete.

I can respect that you revere blood for whatever reasons (Can't say I *understand* them from your references, but I can respect that.)

I can *certainly* be very behind finding a way in which you can be comfortable with medical procedures.

In my own belief system, sharing blood or body parts is actually non-trivial. It's very meaningful. It's also not something that calls for saying, "I own my child, I say this is forbidden, therefore, my high-school-age child has to suffer and die cause I say so. "

One thing's for sure, this issue is one some who think children are property run afoul of certain vaguenesses about what we call human rights when it comes up.

Yes, there are grey areas. The right of someone to wave a Bible and say 'This book says I own my kid, and also says somehow that transfusions are wrong...' Is not, to me, a grey area.

Convincing kids who don't have a right to *leave* that they have to say they *want* to die...

Don't know if that's grey so much as 'swirly and complicated bound to get muddier with more stirring.'

The 'rights of minors' are never really spelled out, is the problem.

But they aren't property.