Once again, from Wikepedia:

"Nineteenth-century agnostic Robert G.
Ingersoll branded Revelation "the insanest of all books".[70] Thomas Jefferson omitted it along with most of the Biblical canon, from the Jefferson Bible, and wrote that at one time, he considered it as "merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams."

Last time we checked, Thomas Jefferson was still one of the founding fathers of the USA.

Tote:

Do you disagree that Christ's first coming begins a process of healing, not only for people, but also for the creation? If that's the case, and if we are given stewardship (def: Not domination and wanton destruction, but proper care for and safeguarding) over the creation, do we not have an obligation to take care of it? How do we make ourselves an instrument of peace, especially God's peace, in the world around us? St. Francis is still valid role model for the church and for believers. His identification with and care for creation is something we all need to revisit. Or we will consume, and out-populate our world's ability to care for us.

Apart from Revelation, the identification with the creation is part of the gospels and Paul. It is throughout the scriptures. The psalms are probably 25 percent over all related to creation's goodness, care and restoration.

For those interested: There is a new edition of the NRSV which has the "creation words" in green. It is very illuminating to see how much of scripture deals with very real issues of the world in which we find ourselves. I recommend it.

Pr Chris

CCNL

Would you just please STOP! All you do is put up the same rants. They are not believable in the first case, and they are still not. Would you just leave those of us who want to address the topic to do so? Aside from OK, you're a global warming deniar, what else are you going to contribute to the discussion? Your ad hominem attacks against every speaker are wearing very thin.

Go climb a tree while there still is one.

Charity, in your case, is getting very difficult.

Pr Chris

Dear Patriarch Bartholomew,

You are a citizen of Republic of Turkey.
According to Turkish Constitution and Laws,you are only and only the spirutual leader of nearly 3000(three thousand) greek orthodox in Istanbul.
You have not and can not have any International Title or Task.

You are not Ecumenic.
You try to establish/found Orthodox Vatican near Golden Horn in Istanbul.

Dear Patriarch,
You are using Double Headed Byzantium Eagle as your coat/emblem.
Do you try to revive Byzantium Empire.

You said in interview with Charlie Rose on Bloomberg Television *I am the Ecumenical Patriarch of 300 million orthodox* No,Russian Orthodoxes,the biggest group of Orthodoxy/almost 140 millions,dont recognize you.

In AD 1054,for one word yes only for one word(Holy Spirit proceeds Father or both Father and Son),War between Catholics Orthodoxes lasted centuries,till Mongolian Invasion.

From Wikepedia:

"Nineteenth-century agnostic Robert G. Ingersoll branded Revelation "the insanest of all books".[70] Thomas Jefferson omitted it along with most of the Biblical canon, from the Jefferson Bible, and wrote that at one time, he considered it as "merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams."

Christs return and setting up the Kingdom of God on this earth (read in latter chpts of Revelation) will be the only way this earth will be at peace. God's allowance of mankind making his own decisions (since Eden) is about at its end. That is the true good news to tell this dying world

Patriarch Bartholomew,

Nice to be "green" but your first responsibility is to address the flaws in the theology and history of Christianity.

To wit: (only for those eyes that have not seen)

1. Abraham founder/father of three major religions was either the embellishment of the lives of three different men or a
mythical character as was mythical Moses, the "Tablet-Man" who talked to burning bushes and made much magic in Egypt.

Many of the 1.5 million Conservative Jews and many of their rabbis have relegated Abraham to the myth pile along with most if not all the OT.

Current crisis:

Realization that the Jews are not god's chosen people. (and neither are Catholics of any persuasion)
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482

2. Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a mamzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). Analyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, On Faith panelists) via the NT and related documents have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hittites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

For added "pizzazz", Catholic/Christian theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

Current crises:

Pedophiliac priests, atonement theology and original sin!!!!

3. Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immaculate conceptions).

Current crises:

Adulterous preachers, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology, all male hierarchies and strange banking and funding.

A lot of conjecture but no references to scientific studies that global warming is occurring nor studies as to what is causing it if it is real. One could speculate, for example, that it is simply due to more active volcanoes under the oceans which is something we have no control over. Then there is that ball of energy aka the Sun that is slowly expanding and gets closer every year. Again something out of our control.