And the new "gibberisher" ONWAPO continues to make the rounds using a new email address wallowing in his/her sadness and strangeness!!!

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For Ripvanwinkleincollege's benefit since he/she apparently missed this in earlier commentaries:

1. Abraham founder/father of three major religions was either the embellishment of the lives of three different men or a
mythical character as was mythical Moses, the "Tablet-Man" who talked to burning bushes and made much magic in Egypt.

Many of the 1.5 million Conservative Jews and many of their rabbis have relegated Abraham to the myth pile along with most if not all the OT.

Current crisis:

Realization that the Jews are not god's chosen people.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482

2. Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a mamzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). Analyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, On Faith panelists) via the NT and related documents have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hittites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

For added "pizzazz", Catholic/Christian theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

Current crises:

Pedophiliac priests, atonement theology and original sin!!!!

3. Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immaculate conceptions).

Current crises:

Adulterous preachers, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology, all male hierarchies and strange banking and funding.

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4. Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

This agenda continues as shown by the massacre in Mumbai, the assassinations of Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, and the Filipino “koranics”.

And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

Current crises:

The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering, womanizing (11 wives), hallucinating founder.

5. Hinduism (from an online Hindu site) - "Hinduism cannot be described as an organized religion. It is not founded by any individual. Hinduism is God centered and therefore one can call Hinduism as founded by God, because the answer to the question ‘Who is behind the eternal principles and who makes them work?’ will have to be ‘Cosmic power, Divine power, God’."

The caste/laborer system, reincarnation and cow worship/reverence are problems when saying a fair and rational God founded Hinduism."

Current crises:

The caste system and cow worship/reverence.

6. Buddhism- "Buddhism began in India about 500 years before the birth of Christ. The people living at that time had become disillusioned with certain beliefs of Hinduism including the caste system, which had grown extremely complex. The number of outcasts (those who did not belong to any particular caste) was continuing to grow."

"However, in Buddhism, like so many other religions, fanciful stories arose concerning events in the life of the founder, Siddhartha Gautama (fifth century B.C.):"

Archaeological discoveries have proved, beyond a doubt, his historical character, but apart from the legends we know very little about the circumstances of his life. e.g. Buddha by one legend was supposedly talking when he came out of his mother's womb.

Bottom line: There are many good ways of living but be aware of the hallucinations, embellishments, lies, and myths surrounding the founders and foundations of said rules of life.

Then, apply the Five F rule: "First Find the Flaws, then Fix the Foundations". And finally there will be religious peace in the world!!!!!

Jimmy Carter is bought and paid for by the Saudis.

That's nice to hear that more Muslims are middle class. Will that make them more moderate? But as the saying goes, a moderate Muslim is one who has run out of ammunition.

>>[QUOTE]There will be no worthwhile change in the attitudes of Muslims until the "death to all infidels" and anti-female passages are removed from the koran.

There are equally stupid and out-dated passages in the Bible and other religious books.

What works is when humans decide to interpret their religion and it's books in the light of reason. THAT'S "Modernity".

I am from Vermont. Now, I live in Saudi Arabia. There are a wide variety of opinions and voices here, like in the USA. But often the conservative forces use the connection of State and Religion to overpower attempts at reason and compromise. I really now appreciate what the Writers of the US Constitution had in mind, when they reflected on the bad things that had happened in their Old World when Religion and State were combined. Like, say, the Spanish Inquisition. Or the Crusades and their sponsors.

I'm at a large University where the fact that men and women working on a Doctorate degree can be in the same classroom enrages some Muslims. But the King of this country says otherwise. And the King, um.. Rules!

I am optimistic that in the long run reason and diversity and tolerance will prevail.

Jimmy Carter was here a couple of days ago. He had something to say that I think we all should reflect on:

Jimmy Carter: "“The balance is between the constant and the evolving. If only constant, nothing happens and if only evolving, then there will be chaos. Balance is what brings them together. Change will give us diversity and constancy will give us unity,” he said.

He added that diversity exists within unity and unity accommodates diversity and this was what brought us together as mankind.

Carter said that his return to Saudi Arabia reminded him that the Kingdom represented the common aspirations of many human beings.

“Peace, cooperation, forgiveness and ability to work together for common goals that are also common to all the major religions,” he said.

OK. I love Vermont, but I'm glad I've had the chance to live in some other countries and to try to figure this stuff out...

Regards, Terry King ..On the Red Sea at KAUST
terry@terryking.us

Muslims especially in middle east and south Asia especially are still living in 16th century mentality.They have not gone through the knowledge explosion sweeping the west after printing press invention as some said they are "mentally frozen in time". There has not been any single article/monograph ever published in any Islamic language which challenges the existence of God or Quran as a divine script.Most at fault are the western educated muslims who so far did not have the courage to say so. Muslims can not improve unless they have a core group which can speak up their mind and work for seperation of religion and state and adopting the message of universal brotherhood rejecting Muslim brotherhood.All religions have contributed greatly but their time is over.Let people run their own affairs with out interference of God or those who claim to speak on his behalf.

Why are 21st century humans still enslaved to the rubbish written by Middle East desert tribes thousands of years ago? The Bible and the Koran are nonsense and the people who believe in it are fools and trouble makers.

In a perverse way this reminds me of the creed espoused in the Godfather:

"I'm a businessman, Tom. Blood is a big expense!"

Many thanks for Dr. Nasr's wise and judicious observations and analysis. It is indeed distressing, however, to read so many deragotary comments to his piece. What blindness. Please do not be discouraged and keep heart.

if the turn toward "modernity" is to please its enemies, refer back to the Quran where it warns the faithful that its enemies will not be satisfied until you have deserted your faith ; nothing less will please Islam's enemies

Mohammed was middle class, a merchant from a prominent family. That didn't stop him or his followers from being murderous fanatics.

To CCNL1.
Why didn't you mention equally intolerant passages in the Old Testament as well as Paul's blatant sexism? I think Jesus said something about removing the plank from your own eye before telling people to remove a speck of sawdust from theirs. There's a message there; think hard on the subject of tolerating other people who think or believe differently from you, but who are still good people at heart.

So is the author saying that Islamic countries will now allow diversity and give non-Muslims the freedom of worship and have them build temples, churches etc?

Will women be allowed to uncover their faces as well? Will terrorism stop?

Any attempt at "modernity" to please the west will be useless. The answer is found in the Quran itself, which says others won't be pleased until the muslims have totally (or substantially) abandoned their faith.

So the middle income class are Muslims who make $3,000 a year, instead of the $1 or $2 dollars a day they used to.

Yep, that is something to post proudly in the news.

Well, the weekend is here and our "new" "gibberisher" is hard at work knowing that the moderators are off for the weekend. Adding a bit of free space got the moderators early attention last week. Let see how it works this week.

Apparently, this "gibberisher" is the same person who simply gets another email address for registration purposes (there are ~1500 email providers on the net). You would think said person would get tired of all this subterfuge and being banned every week. Apparently re-registering does not bother said odd and strange individual
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CCNL1 & CO.,

Pleazzza; Take the Weekends Off. And Let the "PROFESSIONALS" handle the Local/international Politic/Religion issues/Matters via this Blogg and manage the "WAR-EFFERT" at Hand; Aye (little boy)!?

PS: Dear mr. "WAPO-COP", WARNING: Stop Stalking Me (or snitching outrite on others), or WE [i] will Sue WAPO & CO.. for $100,000,000 Dollars, or All rights/ownership for This NeewsWeek Blog will Revert To US via a Federal Court Oder. so Last Warning! Note: OUR attorneys and FBI & CIA & HLS are watching closely.

Note: You do not Help WAPO; only make matters Worse. Hence WAPO is digging a hole deeper & deeper as long as they keep your CCNL1 name alive.

PS: WE [i] have David Waters personal Cell Pjone #. And Sally Quinn's # Too et al. Would you like to call Them? [i] WE could make it Public but that would be unprofessional aye chap?

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-- On M. Kesslers post @ 11:59P; CCNL Freudiantly slippeth and says, "Many of us [OnWAPO here] who bravely criticize Islam on a daily basis on this blog [includes the Pastes & repaste/posts] are aware of this danger and would immediately fear for our lives if our names were made known."

Ummmm. Upon Analysis it does Sound like CCNL1 is A "PARANOID SCHIZOFRENIC" and one who has an acute bout of "RELIGIOUS JEALOUSY PSYCHOSIS" with a dab/pinch of "PRE-APOCALYPTIC SiNDROME" and more mental/Dilusions/Illusions.

PS: CCNL1 , on another post, knowingly stealing someone elses brilliance; and uses it as if his original-work said, "Drones should be equiped with NAPALM and every 6 months dropped from America to destroy the POPY Fields" [Similar said].

Hint: In order to Kill the TAliban/Al-Queda Crews; NAPALM droppings should be persistant on All OPIUM/HASH fields and should be done BEFORE, DURING and AFTER Harvest Seasons. Hence how to kill the Taliban/Al-Qaeda Mulim International Mafia's in less that 3 years REMOTELY [No need for U.S/Allie Soldiers].

BREAKING -- NEWS:

"OSAMA BIN LADENS GRAVE WAS FOUND 10 minutes AGO"

More Details coming soon.

Note: OSAMA BID LADEN really really Died of Kidney Failure around June 2007. Roomer had it that He Matyred himself with two other friens, and so Blew-up his own ravishing/Matastacised Body up to peaces, and his followers saved his Hide/skin and Bones for Souveniers.

Eeeeeeeeeeee Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Well, Friday evening is here and our "new" "gibberisher" is hard at work knowing that the moderators are off for the weekend. Adding a bit of free space got the moderators early attention last week. Let see how it works this week.
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He soon moved his residence to Dubai in the United Arab Emirates where he has business interests alongside India and Pakistan."

Dubai. Hilarious. Speechless am I. So tell us...How is Daud Ibrahim doing these days?

Modernity means accepting science, technology and equality, peace, and justice based on democratic ideals. It does not mean drinking, dancing, gambling (going to casinos) or females displaying their bodies to attract men by wearing halters or bikinis on the beach.

I frankly am less concerned about the principles and practices of fundamental Islam, and more concerned about the principles and practices of global corporations. I'd be very concerned about the harm of grafting those latter practices onto religious Islam. It's bad enough to see the results of grafting them onto Christianity! The all-too-frequent result is "the worst of both worlds".

Why? Because global business emphasizes expediency and opportunism -- the furthest thing from the religious ideals of doing what is righteous and showing charity and concern for the welfare of others.

It seems to me that for any religion, including Islam, meaningful reform must come from within. No religion which fails to embody the precepts of social justice, equality and tolerance can be considered to have reached maturity. Therefore, let the true jihad continue, in accordance with God's grace.

There will be no worthwhile change in the attitudes of Muslims until the "death to all infidels" and anti-female passages are removed from the koran. Until then, no Muslim can be trusted!!!