"As if any more disturbing details about the Mumbai massacre could emerge, it's now being reported that many of the victims were also tortured -- and no one more so than the Israelis killed in the Chabad house. DEBKAfile reports that Rivka Holtzberg, wife of the center's rabbi, Gavriel, was also six months pregnant, and that the toddler rescued from the house by his Indian nanny bore bruises indicating that the captors had beaten him."

http://worldnews.about.com/b/2008/12/02/signs-of-torture-on-mumbai-victims-especially-israelis.htm

For Rivka, Gavriel, Moshe et al targeted because they were Jews, not because they were part of the oppressive Hindu regime that treats Muslims as second-class citizens and always has.

Lest we forget you, Gavriel, Rivka, Moshe.

England:
Report of the All-party Inquiry into Anti-semitism
http://www.thepcaa.org/Report.pdf
_________________________

US Report on Anti-semitism
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/102301.pdf

_______________________
EU Report on Antisemitism 2001-2007: Updated 2008

http://fra.europa.eu/fra/index.php?fuseaction=content.dsp_cat_content&catid=449677441f3f3

EU report: widely held that some incendiary information suppressed.

" For the triumph of evil it is necessary that concerned people, parties and politicians around the world do nothing "

I as a concerned citizen of the United States of America and World. I do not justify and like any evil acts of terror and terrorism. As a psychiatrist I can say that as a consequence of occupation, suppression, alienation, victimization, degradation, desperation, helplessness, hopelessness, and depression the ordinary people are led to suicide.In the process, some times, they are driven to the evil acts and spread their pain and apathy around as they have resorted to these evil acts over centuries. We should not forget the plight of Kashmiris, Palestinians, and many more people around the world at the hands of state sponsored terror and terrorism as perpetuated by India in Kashmir and Israel in Palestine. These kind of situations result in these heinous and evil acts around the world. Do not expect U.S.A. and president elect Obama to do much about it. It is Global problem and all concerned people, parties, and politicians need to think out of
box and address these issues candidly and openly without shifting blame around. I suggest the President Elect Obama appoint Hon. former President Bill Clinton to resolve Kashmir issue between Kashmiris, Indians, and Pakistan and out going president Hon. George W Busy to resolve Palestinian issue between Is israel and Palestinian authorities as that has his goal to do so before he passes on the presidency onto president elect Obama.

Yours Truly,

COL. A.M. Khajawall[Ret] MD., ABFM., ABDA.
First Secretary: Kashmir American Mission[KAM]
Founder: Kashmiri American Council[KAC]
Chief Consultant: World Wide Professional Consultants[WWPC]
Colonel, USAR /MC Combat Stress Control[Ret], Disabled American Veteran
Consultant Psychiatrist: CA State, Medical Board of California, and Los Angeles Mental Health Department
Mailing Address: P.O.BOX 4040, Diamond Bar California, 91765-0040 USA,

Observer,

Terror activities against and by Jews and other religious sects are not new. (e.g. the atrocities of Jericho vividly described in the OT).

Demographics play a major role as do the myths of the NT that blames the Jews for the crucifixion of the over-hyped simple preacher man named Jesus. A good dose of "Crossanization" of all religions will fix a lot of this. Are you ready to "Crossanize" orthodox Judaism??

Yo Observer
Are you saying that terrorism is OK if the terrorists have a good cause (in your case the Zionist terrorists of the 1930s-40s)?
Seems to me that every time Israeli tanks roll over occupied Palestinian homes that counts as an act of terror as well. Certainly dumping thousands of cluster bombs on civilians in Lebanon is terrorism. From an American perspective it doesn't look like anyone has clean hands.

CCNL:

Then you've been unable to locate any instances of Jewish terrorism against Muslims and Christians.

As for the rest of your research, disappointing. It shows little effort, less analysis. A number of the minority groups you mention are on record for ongoing terrorism.

Take for example the Sikhs.

http://www.google.com/search?q=sikh+terrorism&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

So your "numerical" explanation fails miserable.
I provided two reports sponsored by national governments, one by the EU on random terrorism against Jews in the US, England, and Europe, primarily. There is of course verbal violence as well, political violence at the hands, primarily of the Christians and Muslims. More reports on Christian and Muslim antisemitism to follow. This "terrorism" would include the near fatal beatings of individual Jewish children, adults, old folks simply walking down the street. Follow the links.

I'm waiting for a considered response. If you cannot find the information requested and have no logical explanation for the lack, other than to conclude that there is none since the phenomenon under discussion doesn't exist, kindly say so.

Thank you in advance.

The mujahideen were financed and armed by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideen

Yes there are Muslim grievances in India (and elsewhere), but there are also hindu, christian, sikh and buddhist grievances. The buddhists did not strap bombs to themselves to avenge the destruction of their heritage in bamiyan. Today it is kashmir, tomorrow it will be something else. Assuming that one hands over these territories to terrorists in the name of addressing the "root causes", will they just stop their mindless hatred and go back home for tea? I don't think so. Kashmir started out as a problem between two countries, not between religions. And unless these Islamic terrorists terrorists stop brainwashing kids in pakistan and elsewhere, nothing is going to stop whether or not the kashmir problem is solved.

I suggest you develop a sense of perspective:

"Few seem to realise that the present IPCC models predict almost unanimously that by 2040 the average summer in Europe will be as hot as the summer of 2003 when over 30,000 died from heat. By then we may cool ourselves with air conditioning and learn to live in a climate no worse than that of Baghdad now. But without extensive irrigation the plants will die and both farming and natural ecosystems will be replaced by scrub and desert. What will there be to eat? The same dire changes will affect the rest of the world and I can envisage Americans migrating into Canada and the Chinese into Siberia but there may be little food for any of them." --Dr James Lovelock's lecture to the Royal Society, 29 Oct. '07

"The alternative (to geoengineering) is the acceptance of a massive natural cull of humanity and a return to an Earth that freely regulates itself but in the hot state." --Dr James Lovelock, August 2008

To prevent terrorist attacks like Mumbai is impossible. The guns are readily available, minimal cost to train the men, plenty of minds that hate to volunteer, and 4000 miles of Indian coast to infiltrate. On the other hand, if the state tries to prevent even low tech attacks like Mumbai, it loses the war on terrorism by being overly repressive. The biggest job of India's political class is not to overreact to the Mumbai attack, because then the terrorists have succeeded. As far as liberalizing the Afghanistan/Pakistan hardline Muslims-that is a generational task that will probably be derailed by the destabilization of climate change. 200 dead is nothing compared to what is about to happen to agriculture due to increased heatwaves.

Observer, Observer, Observer,

Not much else out there with respect to contemporary Jewish terrorism vs non-Muslims outside of Israel/Palestine. Considering demographics, that is what one would expect. e.g.

Israel's population stands at 7,337,000 vs.

Christianity: 2.1 billion

Islam: 1.5 billion

Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion

Hinduism: 900 million

Chinese traditional religion: 394 million

Buddhism: 376 million

primal-indigenous: 300 million

African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million

Sikhism: 23 million

Juche: 19 million

Spiritism: 15 million

Judaism: 14 million

Baha'i: 7 million

Jainism: 4.2 million

Shinto: 4 million

Cao Dai: 4 million

Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million

Tenrikyo: 2 million

Neo-Paganism: 1 million

Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand

Rastafarianism: 600 thousand

Pakistan sadly has devolved into a country where religion and violence are served as often as "chai" to quench their national thirst for identity and justice. The rational Pakistan, a distinct and dwindling minority, has no place in such a setting. This is bad news for its neighbors and the rest of the world.

CCNL:
The links I provided concern current worldwide assaults on Jews by Christians and Muslims.

Is this a joke?

Jewish terrorism vs. non-Jews:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_political_violence

This concerns the war for independence and pre-independence in the twentieth century. The targets were local and far from randon. Jews, for example, objected to AngloChristians hanging them in the street, firing on boatloads of refugees and killing them. I'm not posting all the genocidal worldwide acts of Christendom since Constantine. I'm asking, politely for a a comparative/contrastive analysis of the last few years' atrocities of Muslim and Christian violence worldwide against Jews vs. Jewish violence against Muslims and Christians for which you may use the links I provided as a baseline.

Jewish terrorism vs. non-Jews:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_political_violence

Marc asks: "How is Islam any more evil than Christianity or Judaism?"

It is all about each religion's operating manuals. Islam follows the dictates (e.g. warmongering, global domination by Islam, death to all infidels) found in the Worst Book Ever Written, the koran.

Many Jews have finally declared most of the OT to be fiction. Those that have not follow the dictates (e.g. Jews are god's chosen people) of the Second Worst Book Ever Written, the OT.

Many Christians unfortunately also still follow much of what is in the mythical OT. The basics of the NT (e.g.the Beatitudes) are great guideline/rules for human interaction. The embellishments and myths (e.g. physical resurrection, the Last Supper, Messiah, Christmas) have however given a sense of superiority to Christians which continues to cause significant friction amongst religions.

Bottom line: All these books need significant and official "Crossanization" to elimiate the hate and significant stupidity in them.

CCNL:

Thank you for the data you provide on the WOT. You'll note that below I post links on reports of violence against Jews worldwide, by Christians and Muslims, these attacks targeting children, adults, old folks, simply for being Jewish.

Try as I might I can find no corresponding data showing attacks by Jews on Christians and Muslims worldwid. Indeed, I can't find anything anywhere on any website.

Given your expertise in this sort of thing, kindly provide a comparative or contrastive analysis of same: Christian, Muslim, et al attacks on Jews vs. Jewish attacks on Christians, Muslims.

Thank you in advance.

Quijote1939 writes
'Islam, in particular, is the epitomy of evil: it curses its adherents with systemic backwardness and condemns the thinking world to endless irritating conflict with its impediment to world peace.'

That seems like an odd thing to say. How is Islam any more evil than Christianity or Judism?

One of the considerations no doubt was to limit the options available in Afghanistan to the incoming Obama administration.

My sense is that religious extremism is the basis of so much of the violence that troubles this world:

“The fear mongers were gone. Those who had abused their faith to hammer others, to wage war, to profit, to support and to further prejudice were all gone, and in their wake a peace descended on the earth…” kurtniece.com

For Rivka, Gavriel, Moshe et al targeted because they were Jews, not because they were part of the oppressive Hindu regime that treats Muslims as second-class citizens and always has.

Lest we forget you, Gavriel, Rivka, Moshe.

England:
Report of the All-party Inquiry into Anti-semitism
http://www.thepcaa.org/Report.pdf
_________________________

US Report on Anti-semitism
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/102301.pdf

_______________________
EU Report on Antisemitism 2001-2007: Updated 2008

http://fra.europa.eu/fra/index.php?fuseaction=content.dsp_cat_content&catid=449677441f3f3

EU report: widely held that some incendiary information suppressed.

The pointless discussion just goes on and on. Nobody seems to understand: ALL religion is irrelevant, and utterly inappropriate for the present world.

Islam, in particular, is the epitomy of evil: it curses its adherents with systemic backwardness and condemns the thinking world to endless irritating conflict with its impediment to world peace.

ds193870 writes
'Dealing with LIBYA is probably only time that USA in plain english showed that it had proverbial balls'

huh? Libya blew up a bunch of US soldiers in Europe. The US bombed Libya. Libya knocks down a plane over Scottland. Eventually Bush makes nice with the Libyans, and Quadaffy gets away with mass murder. That was weakness.

Loosing Way on Terrorism is an article that shows that author is coddling to terrorists.

Does author remember LIBYA and its bellicosity and how its agents blew the plane and killed innocent air travellers and how it was made to pay for it and see how LIBYA is behaving now.

Every time there is a terroistic attack Pakistan's name is linked to it.

Dealing with LIBYA is probably only time that USA in plain english showed that it had proverbial balls.

Terrorism in Afghanistan specially along with borders of Pakistan and elsewhere could be stopped in 7 easy stepped and no body and I mean not will have to load a gun much less firing one.

I believe it was 60 hours long attack and Pakistani media is boasting about how they brought India and the world to its knee.

Pakistan should be informed that 7 actions are going to be taken in a progressive manner and with each progressive 60 hours price will get steeper. They should be reminded that they cannot kill and maim innocent people from all over this planet.

Before any action is taken the Pakistan should be given 60 hours to ponder on the price and how it will get steeper by passage of time.

1. Pakistan has 60 hours to round up the butuchers and their trainers and submit them to justice. If it is not done systematic manner in next 60 hours

2. Respective countries whose citizens have been killed should close their embassies. Following this if the response is not satisfactory in next 60 hours.

3. Pakistan should be asked to close the embassies. If the appropriate response does not come.

4. Stop flying planes into Pakistan.
Following this and if the response is not appropriate

5. Pakistan should not be allowed to fly into respective countries.

6. Depending on response Pakistani assets should be frozen internationally.

7. Trade should be suspended.

If nations have to wait any time past first 60 hours Pakistan should fly its flag half mast each day for every dead.

With regards to Afghanistan and Kabut casualities for each US casuality along with Pakistan border the process may be repeated by the Nato countries.

We will not to load a gun much less fire one. Peaceful means can be very effective we tried in case of LIBYA let use try them with PAKASTINI terrorists. Let us have a wonderful X-MAS AND PRAY FOR PEASE.

Keviv,
Good post and good points. Not an answer alone, and the moderate Islamic voice is not utterly silent, but it is not being herd much over a whisper. At least I do not hear it much... American media is quite select and censors or passes over what does not serve it's own interests.
But one would expect that a larger voice should be heard of moderate opposition to radicalized fundamentalism.
Curious and disturbingly quiet.

Israel and Kashmir are NOT reasons for Islamist terrorism, though they may be used as excuses by Muslim apologists for Islamist terror attacks. Bin Ladin never mentioned Israel until sometime after 9/11, and, to my knowledge, has yet to mention Kashmir. The war on terror has been successful in Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as many other places. But, due to the nebulosity of the Islamist foe (hiding in civilian populations), the reluctance of many NATO countries to "get involved", and the U.S. effort to minimize the militarization of its own society, a conclusive victory of the non-Islamist societies in this world-wide struggle will take decades more of focused effort.

Our War on Terror and Aggression:

An update (or how we are spending or how we have spent the USA taxpayers’ money to eliminate global terror and aggression)

The terror and aggression via a Partial and Recent Body Count

1a) 179 killed in Mumbai/Bombay, 290 injured

1b) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh

2) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens, 1000’s injured

3) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US Troops 3,394 combat and 815 non-combat) and 89,544 – 97,762
Iraqi civilians killed, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

4) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded 85.[2]

5) Bali-in 2002-killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.

6) Bali in 2005- Twenty people were killed, and 129 people were injured by three bombers who killed themselves in the attacks.

7) Spain in 2004- killing 191 people and wounding 2,050.

8) UK in 2005- The bombings killed 52 commuters and the four radical Islamic suicide bombers, injured 700.

Other elements of our War on Terror:

1. Saddam, his sons and major henchmen have been deleted. Saddam's bravado about WMD was one of his major mistakes.

2. Iran is being been contained. (beside containing the Sunni-Shiite civil war in Baghdad, that is the main reason we are in Iraq. And yes, essential oil continues to flow from the region.)

3. Libya has become almost civil. Recently Libya agreed to pay $1.5 billion to the victims of their terrorist activities Apparently this new reality from an Islamic country has upset OBL and his “crazies” as they have threatened Libya. OBL sure is a disgrace to the world especially the Moslem world!!! Or is he???

4. North Korea is still uncivil but is contained. With the opening up of rail traffic between North and South Korea after 50 years and with the assistance of the US Navy in retrieving NK ships and personnel hopefully a fresh sense of civility is afoot.

5. North Korea was taken off the terrorist country list recently.

6. Northern Ireland is finally at peace.

7. The Jews and Palestinians are being separated by walls. Hopefully the walls will follow the 1948 UN accords and the Annapolis Peace Conference is at least somewhat successful.

8. Bin Laden has been cornered under a rock in Western Pakistan since 9/11.

9. Fanatical Islam has basically been contained to the Middle East but a wall between India and Pakistan would be a plus for world peace. Ditto for a wall between Afghahistan and Pakistan.

10. Timothy McVeigh was executed. Terry Nichols will follow soon.

11. Eric Rudolph is spending three life terms in prison with no parole.

12. Jim Jones, David Koresh, Kaczynski, the "nuns" from Rwanda, and the KKK were all dealt with and either eliminated themselves or are being punished.

13. Islamic Sudan, Darfur and Somalia are still terror hot spots.

14. The terror and torture of Muslims in Bosnia, Kosovo and Kuwait were ended by the proper application of the military forces of the USA and her freedom-loving friends. Radovan Karadzic was finally captured on 7/23/08 and is charged with genocide, crimes against humanity and violations of the law of war -- charges related to the 1992-1995 civil war that followed Bosnia-Herzegovina's secession from Yugoslavia.

15. And of course the bloody terror brought about the Japanese, Nazis and Communists was with great difficulty eliminated by the good guys.

In its effort to grow as fast as possible and become a superpower, India is blind to everything else. India is a country of many contradictions.
A country in which brides are burned alive for not
having enough dowry for their in laws, others are killed for marrying someone outside their social
caste, the high castes live in splendor, the
lower caste -the Untouchables- live in abject poverty, and the Muslims leave in between but they feel rejected by the Hindus.

The Mumbai terrorist attack proved two things. a)
Mumbai, a city of 25 million residents, doesn't have a SWAT team to tackle terrorists. Watching the videos of the Indian police trying to dislodge
the terrorists, it was quite evident that the police looked sloppy, scared, and acted amateurishly. Shame on India, a 1.1 billion country without a few competent special commandos units to handle terrorist attacks. b) As long as the Kashmir issue remains unresolved, India will have growing civilian deaths pains from Kashmiri guerrillas. It will be the payback for the Indian army shooting of any suspected Kashmiri separatist, most of whom turned out to be innocent civilians. And those innocent and unnecessary deaths inflame the passion for revenge against India, in the same way that the U.S. killing of innocent civilians with air-strikes in Afghanistan and Pakistan inflame the hatred against the U.S. and helps the Afghan and Taliban insurgency. And lets not forget that the
"terrorist" of one side in a social conflict is the "hero" of the other side.

India must allow a public referendum on the fate
of Kashmir's unification, and then if a united Kashmir chooses to join Pakistan, so be it. After 3 Indian-Pakistani wars over Kashmir, and continued unnecessary bloodshed by both sides, it is time to allow Kashmiris to chose
their fate. All other options were tested for 60 years and have failed because the gap of hatred between Indians and Pakistanis cannot be bridged.

Those who may claim that doing that will be tantamount of giving in to terrorism are those that may share the shortsightedness and naive bravado of George Bush. Good leaders at some point put their egos aside and give in to history - not to terrorism. It will be a fallacy for any government to use the media establishments, slap the word "terrorist" to their opponents, kill as many as they wish with impunity, and then expect naively to live in peace.

Controlling the media headlines, but burying one's head in the sand of history, will never resolve any social, cultural, religious, or nationalist issue. Military power
and wealth does not qualify as a monopoly of virtue, nor can it snuff out the passion of nationalism that always come with a death wish
for a righteous cause. And the virtue always belongs to the righteous. Nikos Retsos, retired professor

Dr Khan, I'm a Hindu and always find myself defending the positions of dialog, education, tolerance and understanding among my friends on the heels of each such carnage. The one argument that always stumps me is "Where is the vast moderate Muslim majority?". I believe there is one out there, but it is never heard from in public discourse, taking charge of the discussion, issuing an absolutely unequivocal condemnation of such acts without offering the standard counterpoint of "the Indian government or majority have mistreated the minorities..."?

Where is the introspection; the raging intra-Muslim discourse on the dire need to evolve the religion beyond the literal 5th century black-and-white edicts; the steely commitment to wrest control from a few that are besmirching a religion that once led the world in science and the arts; the realization that Imam Bukhari and his priestly ilk cannot continue to issue faux fatwas about which party to vote for; the belief that "we need to take responsibility for our own condition"?

The acts of the perpetrators of the Gujarat carnage are unpardonable. The fact that Modi won with that much blood on his hands clearly points to a xenophobic streak in the majority population. But where is the voice of the moderate silent Muslim majority that can work with the moderate majority to cure India and its government of its apathetic attitude towards all its minorities?

Thanks to God that you are here in USA .Now we will have to face at least one short.
So how's Kashmir making these terrorist? Why everyone is blaming Kashmir for all this ?
We (kashmiris) were never terrorist.The Pakistani made us terrorist.We never demanded for any separate country for us.There were few handfull people who took bribe from Pakistan & deamnded all this.They braiwashed my young fellows & given them weapons to KILL. We kashmiris were always peacefull people & we are .On our name you guys are playing politics & baking your breads.

It is entirely proper to say that violence against peaceful ordinary people who are Muslims will not help the war on terror, and Muslims have been innocent victims of communal violence in India of late.

It is when you speak of abuse of the history and symbols of Islam, however, that I wish to carefully and respectfully express some disagreement on a sensitive topic. In India, where the majority is Hindu, there continue to be problems where the rights of the Muslim minority are not respected. Few societies are blameless in this area; the industrialized countries of the West have mistreated their own minority groups.

But of late they have recently made great strides in overcoming this.

Shari'a, also known as Islamic Law, is held by some to be a tenet of the Islamic faith itself, and appears to call for a less-than-equal status for members of other faiths. Calling attention to that is not a weapon in the War on Terror used by governments, but it is not surprising that private individuals would wonder if this doesn't help to encourage the mentality behind terrorist acts.

In the career of Muhammad, the founder of the Islamic faith, and believed by its adherents to be the Prophet of God, there are two occasions where he led attacks on groups of Jewish people, killing the men, and taking the women and sellng them into slavery - and taking one of the women as a wife for himself.

This is not conduct which is compatible with respect. Anyone who seeks to extort respect for one who would do such things, and who would engage in violence when it is not forthcoming, is fully deserving of the consequences of any attempt he might make at violence. That they may regard our attitude as provocative is their problem, and not ours.

We will not show disrespect towards any woman who was a victim of sexual assault by giving undeserved respect to any of her assailants.

The blame game is not going to solve the problems of Islamic terrorism. I visited Srinagar in Kashmir in 1975. It was peaceful, beautiful and a extraordinarily friendly place. Then came the insurgency in 1980's. With the creation of LET by Pakistan's notorious ISI, hell broke loose in Kashmir. How does one fight or control such insurgency? The Indian force reacted and overreacted. And that was the purpose of a successful insurgency. People blame the government, and often rightfully so, for all the killings and torture and the insurgents and LETs benefit from it. Anyone who grew up in India or Pakistan knows how inept the police force is. They are absolutely incapable of dealing with insurgencies headed by organizations such as LET and ISI. So thousands of young Kashmiris now side with the insurgents and the tragedy keeps on unfolding. Blaming Kashmir and Palestine is the biggest cop-out. Stop the institutions that teach nothing but hatred. Stop funding and harboring terrorist organizations as LET. If we keep on looking back in history, we will always find justification to hate and kill. Do we want to follow that path? Unfortunately that is what this commentary is all about

I have yet to see one Muslim author writing about this incident about holding some non-Muslim entity at least partially responsible.

If this violence is to be as justified fallout of war on terror, then can we say war on terror was justified fallout of 9/11?

It's funny. If a Muslim commits terrorist acts, then something else, like war on terror, provoked them. But if an aggression comes from West/Israel/India/Fundamentalist Hindus, then it's because they are evil and have flawed character.

It OK to blame USA for deaths caused by USA soldiers. But it's funny that the Iraqi deaths caused by Islamic suicide bombers are blamed on USA. It's as if when US forces invaded, the Islamic bombers were left with no choice other than to go and blow up children.

Muslim intellectual = No introspection whatsoever.

As an American Muslim with dual Indian Nationality, first and foremost I offer my heartfelt condolences. We are all victims. President Bush sends out Unmanned drones to kill them in their villages and they send Manned Mujahedeen to kill Westerners in any city then can. Nobody wins. WE all lose. A lot of us agree that 1) education 2) dialogue and 3) just and equitable solutions to problems like Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine and Kashmir are the right way forward. Americans and the world are looking at Obama and Mrs Clinton for leadership. They will not be able to do it alone. Good people must step out and be a part of the effort to move the policy from confrontation to more permanent solutions.

We're not loosing the war: as the terrorists reveal more fully the evil that forms their core being, the vast majority of us who are "the good" cement ourselves together to form an impregnable wall of opposition. That is why, in the long run, evil is always defeated by the good: it is also how civilization progresses. Yours sincerely, Daryl Atamanyk

1) It is simple- minded to expect a total defeat of all terrorist forces in the world. There have been many successes but the struggle is a long one.
2) There is something dishonest here in pretending that Terrorism has its sources in all civilizations and people equally. The fact is that Radical Islamic Terror groups are the major threat in most places in the world.
3) The focus on the Terror groups who kill in the hundreds should not divert attention from the fact that the major damage is done by state- terror groups, or those who are its proxy. The most dangerous of these is the Iran- Hizbollah combination. And the great danger to come is Nuclear- Terror from Iran.

Typical Muslim drivel, never blame yourselves. Muslims in every country claim; "First as Muslims then as ". Straight away the blame on a dirty Islamic Terrorist Attack goes to the US and the western policies. Since 9/11 the US has been doing whatever it can to protect its civilians, something the attacked country must do to prevent further attacks. Since 9/11 the Muslims have blamed everyone but themselves. Islamic writers, thinkers "peace makers" have over and over blamed the media, the Jews, the propaganda for what Muslims do best, terrorize. Blaming the problem on Palestine and Kashmir is NOT the cause of terroristic activities by your coreligionists.

How long will Muslims shift the blame of their own actions from the Media, UN, US, Britain, Palestine, Kashmir.... to where the problem really lies, Islam?

This is such rubbish...
"The final question this carnage poses is to all Indians - Muslims and Hindus alike. What kind of India do they want? India is on the verge of a historical breakthrough...."

Please read;
The final question to all Muslims is - What kind of image do Muslims want to portray to the rest of the world? Every act of terror your coreligionists commit on innocent civilians goes against every slogan of "Pease in Islam" that you have been boasting about since 9/11.

Islamic terrorism will not go away by blame, instead of writing here on WP please go to the Mosques of Pakistan, England and Europe and tell your brothers about the "Peace in Islam" or the "Beauty of Islam". If Muslim leaders, thinkers and writers don’t begin looking inward soon then we'll be witnessing frequent acts of terrorism from Islam’s young 20-something warriors.

"The second reality is a verdict on the complete and utter failure of the wars on terror that the U.S. and its allies have been waging since 2001."

BuggerOff!

In what way does this horrible incident show that the "West" is "losing the War on Terror"? It now evident that this attack was launched by a Pakistani group in retaliation against India's suppression of the insurgency in Kashmir. The Kashimiri insurgency long pre-dated the start of the "War on Terror" with the 1996 Al-Qaeda declaration of war on the U.S. In fact, South Asians have been killing each other in far greater numbers than these ever since 1948. One may as well say that recent Hindu mass killings of Indian Christians was a defeat in the War on Terror.

If you think Mumbai is a wake up call how about Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nicols and the US' own, non-prosecuted terrorists, the KKK, Aryan Brotherhood and the like?
It's so pitiful to hear "Americans" railing about the Pakis, Saudis, Palestinians, Syrians, etc. not doing anything about terrorists within their borders and to see our own government pointing fingers externally, when we bother to prosecute only TWO for all the deaths in Oklahoma City and when we continue to allow the KKK, Aryan Brothers and all the rest of the scum to operate in this country.
Yes, a wake up call -- WAKE up America, President elect Obama will very likely clean up our own back yard and put an end to domestinc terrorist training grounds, domestic terrorist public meetings, domestic terrorist prison visits and domestic terrorist religious training.
Please, wipe this slime from the US and let the rest of the world see us lead by example.

First of all,we should do *correct analysis*.
It is not *terror*,but *islamic terror*.Yes,absolutely.

Islam/submission came,peace and harmony have been marred.Yes.
Submission came,Civilization gone,Rationality ended.Naturlich.
Submission came to Sub-Continent and Love gone,terror came.
Submission is the Invader in India and Central Asia.
Submission is not and can not be culture of Indonesia and Malaysia.

If we try to link *islamic terror* in Mumbai/Bombay with Gujerat 2002,it is fifth class apology.Jewish Center has been also terrorized,what is it ?

Five time braimwashing(although the book says three times) and Idleness will bring Terror and islamic terror will continue in everywhere on Earth.

Dear On Faith readers,
Please,close your eyes and imagine....,imagine a world without islam/submission.Would it be better place or not ? Please....

And what are the foundations of these terrorist activities?? The flaws and errors in the major contemporary religions!!!!!

A synopsis of these flaws and errors (For those eyes that have not seen):

1. Abraham founder/father of three major religions was either the embellishment of the lives of three different men or a
mythical character as was mythical Moses, the "Tablet-Man" who talked to burning bushes and made much magic in Egypt.
Many of the 1.5 million Conservative Jews and many of their rabbis have relegated Abraham to the myth pile along with most if not all the OT.

Current crisis:

Realization that the Jews are not god's chosen people.
www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/ConservativeTorah.htm

2. Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a mamzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). Analyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, On Faith panelists) via the NT and related documents have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hittites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.
http://wiki.faithfutures.org/index.php/Works_Cited

For added "pizzazz", Catholic/Christian theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

Current crises:

Pedophiliac priests, atonement theology and original sin!!!!

3. Luther, Calvin, Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley et al, founders of Christian-based religions, also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immaculate conceptions).

Current crises:

Adulterous preachers, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology.

4. Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

This agenda continues as shown by the assassination of Bhutto, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, and the Filipino “koranics”.

And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

Current crises:

The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering, womanizing (11 wives), hallucinating founder.

5. Hinduism (from an online Hindu site) - "Hinduism cannot be described as an organized religion. It is not founded by any individual. Hinduism is God centered and therefore one can call Hinduism as founded by God, because the answer to the question ‘Who is behind the eternal principles and who makes them work?’ will have to be ‘Cosmic power, Divine power, God’."
The caste/laborer system and cow worship/reverence are problems when saying a fair and rational God founded Hinduism."

Current crises:

The caste system and cow worship/reverence.

6. Buddhism- "Buddhism began in India about 500 years before the birth of Christ. The people living at that time had become disillusioned with certain beliefs of Hinduism including the caste system, which had grown extremely complex. The number of outcasts (those who did not belong to any particular caste) was continuing to grow."
"However, in Buddhism, like so many other religions, fanciful stories arose concerning events in the life of the founder, Siddhartha Gautama (fifth century B.C.):"

Archaeological discoveries have proved, beyond a doubt, his historical character, but apart from the legends we know very little about the circumstances of his life. e.g. Buddha by one legend was supposedly talking when he came out of his mother's womb.

Bottom line: There are many good ways of living but be aware of the hallucinations, embellishments, lies, and myths surrounding the founders and foundations of said rules of life.