Soja,

I don't know your point about the Geneva Convention. As far as the International Red Cross is concerned, as a J person, I could write volumes, not merely on their complicity in helping the worst nazi animals escape justice, but as active participants in horror. Perhaps, later on in the week, I'll post some links.

Ah, and then we get to the Swiss, such fine people, who kept Jews out of their neutral country during the Holocaust and who then kept the loot of dead Jews. And then of course there is their own anti-semitism. What do you say to them?

Soja, we are on opposite sides of an identity spectrum. I have no doubt about your sincerity and good will, but we shall never agree in this world. Perhaps, if there is an afterlife....

Thank God, my parents had a sense of humor, since I do find this man with his very costly conferences most amusing.

Farnaz2 & Observer12

You might like to look up among others, Geneva Conventions and International Red Cross.

Declaration for a Global Ethic covers all religions and was accepted at the Parliament of World Religions. Jews are included in the Parliament of World Religions.

Bonsoir Observer,

"Ironie! Juden müssen es sehr amüsant finden."

I cannot, of course, speak for all of us J people, but I find it hilarious.

Farnaz

Fader Hans,

Ich höre, dass Australien zwei Millionen Dollar zu Ihrer 2009-Konferenz beiträgt. Das würde nicht das erste Mal finanziell unterstützend Fragen sein holte Ihre Organisation ein. Ich liebe es, wenn der Schweizer und Deutsche Ethik reden! Ironie! Juden müssen es sehr amüsant finden.

Dear Professor Hans Kueng

It would seem that the next logical step with the Declaration Toward a Global Ethic adopted by the World Parliament of Religions, would be to introduce it to the United Nations and through it to all member nations of the General Assembly.

It could serve as a guide both at the religious and secular levels.

If school students could be encouraged to discuss and debate it in their classes, it would help shape consciousness and consciences with a global outlook and we would have more and more ethical international citizens around the globe.

Soja John Thaikattil
Sydney, Australia

Hans,

"The Israeli-Palestinian conflict as a main source of terrorism will not be resolved without the support, inspiration and commitment of the three Abrahamic religions and their leaders."

While you are resolving, would you kindly settle the matter of the Jews driven out, deported, or tortured and killed in the Middle East?

Right now, I am one of three million Jews living in exile. The figure is rough. I am Iranian. My family goes back to Persia at least eight hundred years, probably more. It is true that Jews have no oil, and despite the EuroChristian, and Middle Eastern crimes against us, we have not resorted to terrorism.

So...is that what you are suggesting? Should we exiled Jews, and there are also exiled European Jews, those who fled after the Fall of the Soviet Union, those who fled from France in the last twenty years, etc., etc.?

Should we form a terrorist network? Shall we in other words start following the Christian model?

Surprised you, didn't I. But after all, we Jews are used to terror. You Christians have always terrorized us. You brought Jew hatred in its current form to my native country. You cut off the hands of Africans and tied them around their necks. You cut off the thumbs of Asians. Your AngloChristians brought us the first Concentration Camps.

Your creed is terror. Unfortunately, in some ways we Jews are slow learners. We're into this whole learning thing. But, clearly, your way has always been more....profitable.

PS. The word "ethics" is rather large, as the pre-eminent ethicist of our time, American and European, has pointed out. Yet I don't see him anywhere in you post. Nor do I see anything at all relevant to an ethical framework in your "essay."

How, I keep wondering, when genuine experts abound, in the present case, ethicists, does OnFaith inevitably manage to find talking heads such as yours.

Hier ist mehr für Sie, um zu lesen, während Sie.

sich auflösen.http://home.pacbell.net/atterton/levinas/Primary.htm

Während Sie sich auflösen, hier ist etwas für Sie, um zu lesen.

September 1, 1939

I sit in one of the dives
On Fifty-second Street
Uncertain and afraid
As the clever hopes expire
Of a low dishonest decade:
Waves of anger and fear
Circulate over the bright
And darkened lands of the earth,
Obsessing our private lives;
The unmentionable odour of death
Offends the September night.
Accurate scholarship can
Unearth the whole offence
From Luther until now
That has driven a culture mad,
Find what occurred at Linz,
What huge imago made
A psychopathic god:
I and the public know
What all schoolchildren learn,
Those to whom evil is done
Do evil in return.
Exiled Thucydides knew
All that a speech can say
About Democracy,
And what dictators do,
The elderly rubbish they talk
To an apathetic grave;
Analysed all in his book,
The enlightenment driven away,
The habit-forming pain,
Mismanagement and grief:
We must suffer them all again.
Into this neutral air
Where blind skyscrapers use
Their full height to proclaim
The strength of Collective Man,
Each language pours its vain
Competitive excuse:
But who can live for long
In an euphoric dream;
Out of the mirror they stare,
Imperialism’s face
And the international wrong.
Faces along the bar
Cling to their average day:
The lights must never go out,
The music must always play,
All the conventions conspire
To make this fort assume
The furniture of home;
Lest we should see where we are,
Lost in a haunted wood,
Children afraid of the night
Who have never been happy or good.
The windiest militant trash
Important Persons shout
Is not so crude as our wish:
What mad Nijinsky wrote
About Diaghilev
Is true of the normal heart;
For the error bred in the bone
Of each woman and each man
Craves what it cannot have,
Not universal love
But to be loved alone.
From the conservative dark
Into the ethical life
The dense commuters come,
Repeating their morning vow;
“I will be true to the wife,
I’ll concentrate more on my work,”
And helpless governors wake
To resume their compulsory game:
Who can release them now,
Who can reach the deaf,
Who can speak for the dumb?
All I have is a voice
To undo the folded lie,
The romantic lie in the brain
Of the sensual man-in-the-street
And the lie of Authority
Whose buildings grope the sky:
There is no such thing as the State
And no one exists alone;
Hunger allows no choice
To the citizen or the police;
We must love one another or die.
Defenceless under the night
Our world in stupor lies;
Yet, dotted everywhere,
Ironic points of light
Flash out wherever the Just
Exchange their messages:
May I, composed like them
Of Eros and of dust,
Beleaguered by the same
Negation and despair,
Show an affirming flame.

– W. H. Auden

And there were the atrocities of Jericho etc. in the OT that gave us such "great" examples on how to destroy our enemies!!!

I totally agree with Hans, but seeking ethics in this "religion untolerated" environment, which neither God nor Allah created - IMPOSSIBLE! We are totally to blame and therefore EACH & ALL inexcusably guilty of all the atrocities which we have either collectively and knowingly directly caused or allowed others to implement against, all other humans on our planet as well as the environment, animals, treasures and wonderful gifts that this beautiful planet HAD to offer us!

Can anyone imagine what a splendid planet this was before we launched our bigoted and wrathful greed upon it's glorious surface and set our mind's firmly on the total destruction of anyone and anything that could possibly be a hindrance to our insatiable "GREED?"

This Planet will not forgive us for our rape thereof nor for the rape and plunder of it's peoples, animals or treasures!

When we have destroyed everything, this earth will destroy us and begin again!

"In return of my incredible gift to them, have they chosen to rape me!" - Let's see if we can try and destroy Mars as well, shall we?

This earth is more capable and powerful than all politicians, economists and religions put together, - beware the power of nature abused!

Hans Kung reminds us, all, that our first task as rehabilitating Americans is to change within ourselves - a realistic look at ourselves, what we have done and a commitment to resolve the harm. Example: We have enslaved people within a Camp called Justice at Gitmo. Keeping any of them in bondage for our convenience imprisons us and our military officers (from Admiral to Seaman, General to Private) who operate it in the slave trade. It must be closed immediately and those who can not be prosecuted under law or treaty are to have their liberty returned.

And we will find in this first step that our Bill of Rights have been returned to ourselves.

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict as a main source of terrorism will not be resolved without the support, inspiration and commitment of the three Abrahamic religions and their leaders.

While you are resolving, would you kindly settle the matter of the Jews driven out, deported, or tortured and killed in the Middle East?

Right now, I am one of three million Jews living in exile. The figure is rough. I am Iranian. My family goes back to Persia at least eight hundred years, probably more. It is true that Jews have no oil, and despite the EuroChristian, and Middle Eastern crimes against us, we have not resorted to terrorism.

So...is that what you are suggesting? Should we exiled Jews, and there are also exiled European Jews, those who fled after the Fall of the Soviet Union, those who fled from France in the last twenty years, etc., etc.?

Should we form a terrorist network? Shall we in other words start following the Christian model?

Surprised you, didn't I. But after all, we Jews are used to terror. You Christians have always terrorized us. You brought Jew hatred in its current form to my native country. You cut off the hands of Africans and tied them around their necks. You cut off the thumbs of Asians. Your AngloChristians brought us the first Concentration Camps.

Your creed is terror. Unfortunately, in some ways we Jews are slow learners. We're into this whole learning thing. But, clearly, your way has always been more....profitable.

Dear Professor Kueng

As soon as I read about Karen Amstrong's plan for formulating a charter of compassion, I was reminded instantly of your work at the Global Ethic Foundation and its comprehensive document accepted at the World Parliament of Religions: Declaration Toward a Global Ethic. (Aside: I had mentioned the document and posted a link to it on this forum over 18 months ago when an atheist blogger, by the Username Acrapist, and I managed to finally agree - it goes without saying we disagreed on every other point all the time - that even though God may seem as a completely dispensable entity to all atheists, ethics was not. Since 6 billion people with 6 billion + 1 different ideas of right and wrong could not build any kind of society, there was a need for global ethics in an ever more interdependent world.)

Since your essay has been linked to the German version of your website, may I post here the English link for other readers...

http://www.global-ethic.org/dat-english/index.htm

http://www.global-ethic.org/pdf_decl/Decl_english.pdf

Thank you for your great work, one of many in the area, which is becoming increasing more important day by day. I consider the Charter of Compassion being formulated with the leadership of Karen Armstrong, a complementary extension of your work.

On a personal note, as an Indian-Australian woman with dual citizenship, I'm deeply concerned with the increasing violence directed against Christians in India by extremist Hindu groups, a tiny minority no doubt but fast becoming an increasingly dangerous one. Although only the incidents in Orissa caught press attention for a short while, violence towards vulnerable Christians is becoming a growing trend. So it is good for the integrity of the largest democracy on earth neither to play down nor ignore the seriousness of such the rising trend. The Indian PM, Mr Singh has promised to do all he can to look into the matter and offer whatever support he possibly can. Many Hindus and Muslims are joining with Christians to raise public awareness and register their protest. I invite you to contribute in anyway to the effort as you can.

Thanking you. And congratulations once again for your ongoing work internationally!

Soja John Thaikattil
Sydney, Australia

Dear Professor Kueng

As soon as I read about Karen Amstrong's plan for formulating a charter of compassion, I was reminded instantly of your work at the Global Ethic Foundation and its comprehensive document accepted at the World Parliament of Religions: Declaration Toward a Global Ethic. (Aside: I had mentioned the document and posted a link to it on this forum over 18 months ago when an atheist blogger, by the Username Acrapist, and I managed to finally agree - it goes without saying we disagreed on every other point all the time - that even though God may seem as a completely dispensable entity to all atheists, ethics was not. Since 6 billion people with 6 billion + 1 different ideas of right and wrong could not build any kind of society, there was a need for global ethics in an ever more interdependent world.)

Since your essay has been linked to the German version of your website, may I post here the English link for other readers...

http://www.global-ethic.org/dat-english/index.htm

http://www.global-ethic.org/pdf_decl/Decl_english.pdf

Thank you for your great work, one of many in the area, which is becoming increasing more important day by day. I consider the Charter of Compassion being formulated with the leadership of Karen Armstrong, a complementary extension of your work.

On a personal note, as an Indian-Australian woman with dual citizenship, I'm deeply concerned with the increasing violence directed against Christians in India by extremist Hindu groups, a tiny minority no doubt but fast becoming an increasingly dangerous one. Although only the incidents in Orissa caught press attention for a short while, violence towards vulnerable Christians is becoming a growing trend. So it is good for the integrity of the largest democracy on earth neither to play down nor ignore the seriousness of such the rising trend. The Indian PM, Mr Singh has promised to do all he can to look into the matter and offer whatever support he possibly can. Many Hindus and Muslims are joining with Christians to raise public awareness and register their protest. I invite you to contribute in anyway to the effort as you can.

T

Where are the ethics???

President-elect Obama rode to the Blood-Red House on the backs of 35+million aborted womb-babies!!!

(The fastest growing USA voting bloc: The 70 million "mothers and fathers of aborted children" whose ranks grow by two million per year.)

i.e. the Immoral Majority now rules the land and will do so in the foreseeable future. How very sad and disturbing!!!