Mohammed Malleck,

To PIMPs (P-an I-slamic M-uslim P-ersons), the Tehelka is a "respected" maganize. It is indeed not. I didn't place you earlier in the PIMP category, but I am not sure anymore after reading this seemingly biased and misinformed rejoinder from you.

First, it is not an neutral, investigative magazine. It is a biased, and its reporter Teesta Seetalvad (a Hindu woman who reportedly converted to Islam after a "sham" half-marriage - "mutaah"), has been most vocal about the Gujarat carnage and Modi's complicity. Nanavati commission had initially started off based on her report, but abandoned that report for its incoherence about the Gujarat reports. Conflicting statements, and it was revealed through cross-examination by reporters that this Seetalvad had paid a woman named Zahira to make up incidents about Godhra carnage.

Second, the US Government has all the right reasons for being anti-Islam. I would be surprised if they were not. Islamic doctrines on Shariah, and secular, liberal democracy are exact opposites. Oil and water don't mix. The same analogy applies between US policies and Islam.

Third, stop lying about the perceived garbage that "Islam is in danger" (aka: Islam Khatre Main hain !). It is the other way round: other cultures/religions are in danger in proximity of Islam. It is a barbaric religion. (Read Samuel P. Huntington's book: THE CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS to know what the perception of Islam is in the West.)

Finally, the secular society (Canada) has made a mistake in letting you in with your vicious ideas on Islam. In fact, you should voluntarily give up your comfy life in Canada and go back to whatever Islamic country you came from.

Ameen !

Koranist,

According to islam/submission *Trinity* is idolatry and cursed by submission(although islam doesnt know what Trinity is) 5.72 and 5.73

You say,
*Everything from executing apostates,to stoning adulterers and labeling other *monotheist*(it is terrible mistake of you.I have written many times.There are only two kinds of men in submission.1-muslim,2-Non-muslim/infidel.Faith is only and only submission) as infidels have their support not in the koran,but in these so called hadiths*
Faanaticism and Cult of Violence had begun from beginning of submission,4 caliphs and Umayyads,not Abbasids.

You also mention,hadiths written down 2 to 3 centuries after the prophet/founder. Wrong.Yes,wrong.
Bukhari didnt write anything.He had collected the written documents and classified them.

Koranist,

Submission absolutely rejects Freedom.33.36
You shall unconditional submit to bedouin and Desert Rules

You say *No contradiction*
Let me give an example(one of,at least,fifty ones)
Abraham,Jewish man,had lived 38-39 centuries B.P.
But,house of Allah in mecca had been built 17-18 centuries B.P(Before Present)
In that case,how could Abraham build that house ?

Peace. Yes. Peace.
Does submission know what Peace is.
Would you show any Peaceful islamic country ?

Mohamed Malleck,

Submission came to Sub-Continent and Peace gone.
Penis Kissers and Penis Cutters...
Bloodshed will continue...

Deb Chatter,

Once again, to help you, I have called the Department of Psychiatry and I hope that they come to examine you and give you pills but refrain from bringing you in for shock treatment.

As for readers who may puzzled by your argument that an American Administration that is, if not outright Islamophobic at least not well-disposed towards Muslims at this particular point in time (but not in normal times), they might want to briefly refer to the link below, which presents one of the many Tehelka investigations into Narendra Modi's misdeeds.

http://www.tehelka.com/story_main40.asp?filename=Ne200908EncounterAsStatePolicy.asp

Tehelka is a highly-respected investigative journalism Indian publication, and has been instrumental in exposing misdeeds on all sides, including one involving arms deals by former BJP Minister George Fernandes.

The doctrine of the barbaric religion of Islam survives by provocation and racist hatred. Such provocation may rest on unfounded facts or hearsay. However if these false views are sufficient to stoke pan-Islamic passions, culminating into violence, so be it. At least that is the position of the radical Indian Mujahadeen who have taken the position to address the Muslim issues in India through violence, and effectively taking law into their hands.

The radicalization of the Indian Muslims is described in the Hindustan Times link:

http://www.hindustantimes.com/storypage/storypage.aspx?sectionName=&id=46015210-9a91-46e9-84d1-d37885d7bec8&&Headline=Forged+in+the+heart+of+new+India%2c+terror%e2%80%99s+unrecognisable+face&strParent=strParentID

Fanatic Mohammedans (Muslims) have always been a sore in any civilized society. Whereever Muslims have increased in number, as now in USA, it is claimed that Islam is the world's fastest growing religion, but it has been followed by a trail of blood and tears. There is no shying away from this fact. (UK, Denmark and France are reeling from the Muslim extremism.)

The fanatic Muslim organizations in USA, CAIR, AMC, have always been vocal about the fact that in Gujarat, India, 2000+ Muslims have faced the pogrom from Hindus during February 2002 because of the complicity of Narendra Modi, the Chief Minister of that state - ruled by the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP). While the pseudo-secularist Hindu have always taken it as a pride to deride their own stock, Hindus, their attitude has precipitated into nothing less than self-destructive behavior (pathological). It is interesting that by the intense lobbying of the CAIR, AMC and other leftist liberal human rights groups, the US Government had denied visa to Modi twice. The charge was that he initiated the pogrom against Muslims. Well, the recent Nanavati report finds that stand by the US Government false.

The present Congress-led UPA coalition Government in India, constitituted an independent inquiry team to investigate the incident because they (UPA) wanted to hang Modi (who is a BJP member). That is, they wanted to show that under Modi the (preferred) minority (Muslims) were unsafe and that Modi and his cohorts pre-planned the murders and pogrom that followed. The railway minister Lalu Prasad Yadav (no friend of the BJP, and a staunch pro-Muslim politician from Bihar, India) started the commission headed by the former Supreme Court Judge, Justice T. N. Nanavati. There was an earlier probe by Justice U. C. Banerjee who concluded that the riots started because a train carrying the BJP workers caught fire *accidentally* and this resulted in a full misunderstanding which then snowballed into the pogrom in Gujarat. The BJP claimed that Justice Banerjee was too quick to make such judgement calls because he submitted his report too early without looking thoroughly into the various other pertinent evidences that would counter his findings. That claim made Lalu Yadav (present railway minister)to form this Nanavati commission, with the ulterior objective of hanging Modi, while the latter always maintained no knowledge of the matter. Justice Banerjee had also contended that while Modi was not directly involved and partly ignorant, his "men" had been involved in the crimes. Justice Banerjee also "found" (?) that the allegation that the train (termed as Sabarmati Express) was firebombed by Muslim radicals, which incited the riots, was a false malicious propaganda. He stated that the train catching the fire was a pure accident. It was reported by Banerjee that because 58 BJP workers were burnt to death by the accidental fire, the issue whipped up the "Hindutva" passions and revenge was taken out on Muslims in Gujarat. Well, this is in a nutshell the main findings of the Banerjee commission.

Justice Nanavati and Justice Mehta (the two member independent commission formed by the UPA minister Lalu Yadav) found EXACTLY the OPPOSITE of what Banerjee contended. Of course Muslims are not happy; they want to justify their terrorist activities in India through the lens of the Banerjee report.

The Times of India (ToI) link for the Nanavati report is at:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/3526816.cms

This serves as a warning: whereever Muslims have multiplied, ghastly bloodlust has flowed.

This is the nature of Islam: IT CREATES BLOODY BORDERS FOR ITS PROPAGATION.

Islam is a barbaric religion.

Note to Christians and Catholics. Here's a nice juicy bit from the Quoran. More to come.

5:72-73: They do blaspheme who say: "God is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! worship God, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with God, - God will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrongdoers be no one to help. They do blaspheme who say: God is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One God. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.

Koranist
You dismiss the ahadith because you acknowledge the many contradictions in them. You in fact cited some of them in an earlier post. On the other hand you believe in the Quran because, according to you, has no contradictions.
Below is a sample of blatant contradictions.
Sample:
What was man created from? (*) A blood clot [96:1-2], water [21:30, 24:45, 25:54], "sounding" (i.e. burned) clay [15:26], dust [3:59, 30:20, 35:11], nothing [19:67] and this is then denied in 52:35, earth [11:61], a drop of thickened fluid [16:4, 75:37]
Conclusion; Your religion, according to your own premise, is not from Allah . Why not have the intellectual courage to admit it.

http://www.islamic.org.uk/internalc.html

Reality 101 - for those eyes that have not seen

1. Abraham founder/father of three major religions was either the embellishment of the lives of three different men or a
mythical character as was mythical Moses, the "Tablet-Man" who talked to burning bushes and made much magic in Egypt.

Many of the 1.5 million Conservative Jews and many of their rabbis have relegated Abraham to the myth pile along with most if not all the OT.

Current crisis:

Realization that the Jews are not god's not chosen people.
simpletoremember.com/vitals/ConservativeTorah.htm

2. Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a mamzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). Analyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, On Faith panelists) via the NT and related documents have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hittites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics. www. earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

For added "pizzazz", Catholic/Christian theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

Current crises:

Pedophiliac priests, atonement theology and original sin!!!!

3. Luther, Calvin, Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley et al, founders of Christian-based religions, also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immaculate conceptions).

Current crises:

Adulterous preachers, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology.

4. Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/ plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

This agenda continues as shown by the assassination of Bhutto, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/ mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, and the Filipino “koranics”.

And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

Current crises:

The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering, womanizing (11 wives), hallucinating founder.

5. Hinduism (from an online Hindu site) - "Hinduism cannot be described as an organized religion. It is not founded by any individual. Hinduism is God centered and therefore one can call Hinduism as founded by God, because the answer to the question ‘Who is behind the eternal principles and who makes them work?’ will have to be ‘Cosmic power, Divine power, God’."

The caste/laborer system and cow worship/reverence are problems when saying a fair and rational God founded Hinduism."

Current crises:

The caste system and cow worship/reverence.

6. Buddhism- "Buddhism began in India about 500 years before the birth of Christ. The people living at that time had become disillusioned with certain beliefs of Hinduism including the caste system, which had grown extremely complex. The number of outcasts (those who did not belong to any particular caste) was continuing to grow."
"However, in Buddhism, like so many other religions, fanciful stories arose concerning events in the life of the founder, Siddhartha Gautama (fifth century B.C.):"

Archaeological discoveries have proved, beyond a doubt, his historical character, but apart from the legends we know very little about the circumstances of his life. e.g. Buddha by one legend was supposedly talking when he came out of his mother's womb.

Bottom line: There are many good ways of living but be aware of the hallucinations, embellishments, lies, and myths surrounding the founders and foundations of said rules of life.

i agree with you it is high time to shun violence

Deb Chatter,

And, Deb, you can join your Hindu racist kind (not all Hindus, no, but your likes) in Orissa to murder the Christians and in Kashmir and Gujrat to murder the Muslims.

Hey, Deb Chatter,

They let you loose from the madhouse again?

38:32 he would say, “Verily, I have come to LOVE the LOVE of all that is good because I bear my Sustainer in mind!” [29]

42:23 that [bounty] whereof God gives the glad tiding to such of His servants as attain to faith and do righteous deeds. Say [O Prophet]: “No reward do I ask of you for this other than LOVE your fellow-men.” [29] For, if anyone gains [the merit of] a good deed, We shall grant him through it an increase of good: and, verily, God is much-forgiving, ever responsive to gratitude

2:190 AND FIGHT in God's cause against those who wage war against you, but do not commit aggression-for, verily, God does not love aggressors.

2:195 And spend [freely] in God's cause, and let not your own hands throw you into destruction; [173] and persevere in doing good: behold, God loves the doers of good.

5:18 And [both] the Jews and the Christians say, "We are God's children, [30] and His beloved ones." Say: "Why, then, does He cause you to suffer for your sins? Nay, you are but human beings of His creating. He forgives whom He wills, and He causes to suffer whom He wills: for God's is the dominion over the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, and with Him is all journeys' end."

11:90 Hence, ask your Sustainer to forgive you your sins, and then turn towards Him in repentance - for, verily, my Sustainer is a dispenser of grace, a fount of love!"

19:96 VERILY, those who attain to faith and do righteous deeds will the Most Gracious endow with LOVE:

30:21 And among His wonders is this: He creates for you mates out of your own kind. [15] so that you might incline towards them, and He engenders LOVE and tenderness between you: in this, behold, there are messages indeed for people who think!

YOU HAVE TO READ THE BOOK- NOT THE "INDEX"

Time for a koranist again:

After 9-11 there has been various debates about Islam. Some have said that the terrorist are Islam's true spoken. The so called moderates practice taqiya. Taqiya is the deliberate lying for the faith. They say Islam is a violent religion that commands Muslims to kill non Muslim. Non Muslims have 3 choices, either they convert, pay the jizya(tax) or die. They say Muhammad was peaceful for PR reasons and once strong showed his true colors and preached violent jihad. They say all the peaceful verses were abrogated after his final victory with this verse:

9.5. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

And also this verse:

9.29. Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

This verses are chosen for a reason. When read alone it implies a command to attack until they convert. Of course there are other verses in the Koran that talks about fighting. But why do they tend to focus on this one? Its simple, the other verses tend to show the defensive nature of the jihad and also the malicious intent and behavior of the pagans. Thus never cited. Lets look at some of them:

2.190. Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors

2.191. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith

2.193. And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God, but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression

Also:

2.217. They ask thee concerning fighting in the Prohibited Month. Say: "Fighting therein is a grave (offence); but graver is it in the sight of God to prevent access to the path of God, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, and drive out its members." Tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they turn you back from your faith if they can. And if any of you Turn back from their faith and die in unbelief, their works will bear no fruit in this life and in the Hereafter; they will be companions of the Fire and will abide therein.

All these verses talks about fighting, however within these verses the defensive nature of the verses and the malicious behavior of the pagans is cited. Thus those who wish to attack Islam never cite those verses. Its a deliberate attempt to hide what the Koran as saying and using selective verses to imply what they know the verses does not mean.

Lets however look at the verse that is often cited. This time we will take the verses before and after it to see what is the context this verse is talking.

9.4. (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for God loveth the righteous.

9.5. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

However in the same chapter in explains the intention behind this verse:

9.13. Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths, plotted to expel the Messenger, and took the aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is God Whom ye should more justly fear, if ye believe!

Its important for us to understand what the Koran is saying. When the koran says if they repent and establish regular prayers and so on, its not a command to attack them till they do that. Its a command to say if they choose to one day becoming Muslims, do not despise them because of past blood. Let bygones be bygones because now there are your brethren. If he chooses to remain pagan then let him be and do not fight him unless he chooses to fight you. The verse are read wrong, since many pagans converted to Islam and some of the earlier believers had problems with individuals who they fought before or were persecuted and oppressed by them before.

The verses clearly indicate that no forced conversion was there.There are standards that the Koran established for fighting.

As for such who do not fight you on account of faith, or drive you forth from your homelands, God does not forbid you to show them kindness and to deal with them with equity, for God loves those who act equitably. God only forbids you to turn in friendship towards such as fight against you because of faith and drive you forth from your homelands or aid in driving you forth. As for those from among you who turn towards them for alliance, it is they who are wrongdoers. 60:8-9

Permission (to fight) is given to those against whom war is being wrongfully waged, and verily, God has indeed the power to aid them. Those who have been driven from their homelands in defiance of right for no other reason than their saying, ‘Our Lord is God.’ 22:39-40

However both Sunni Islam or Shia islam do not follow the Koranic guidance. They follow whats know as the hadiths. The hadiths are the supposed "oral" prophetic traditions they say was passed along orally across time and was collected and written down 2 to 3 centuries after the prophet. The prophet and his companions never left behind them any text except the Koran. The hadiths emerged during the reign of the Abbasid empire and was a way to establish an orthodoxy and give legitimacy to a corrupt dynasty by using the prophet's name. Everything from executing apostates, to stoning adulterers and labelling other monotheist as infidels have their support not in the koran, but in these so called hadiths. So hadiths have the same place in sectarian Islam as do the Talmud in Judaism. The Koran condemned the Talmud and Jesus in the Gospel of Mark 7 also condemned the Talmud. The Koran only recognizes the Torah and the Gospel. However like Islam, both these religions have abandoned these scriptues for either a supposed "oral" tradition that emerged centuries later or a supposed "holy ghost" who was to interpret the Gospel in ways not supported by the Gospel.

The Koran has over 35 verses guaranteeing freedom of religion and speech. However the hadiths say something else. Both the Sunni and Shia jurist believe hadiths explain the Koran and without it the Koran could not be undertsood. Indeed every sect in Islam produced hadiths from the prophet to back their sectarian dogma. These hadiths support the sect's dogma and refutes the other sects' dogma. Many of these hadiths are lies and fabrications to create an autocratic ideology using the prophet as its spokesman and marginalyzing the Koran. Many Muslims are ignorant about this and assume the Koran supports their doctrine. They have been taught to read the Koran according to these hadiths.Many do not even know the Koran contradicts many of these hadiths and some hadiths even claims verses from the Koran are missing.

The Koranist movement is a movement that wants to educate the Muslims and non Muslim population that the ONLY authority that speaks for Islam and its prophet is the Koran. The Koran does not abrogate itself and explains itself. And that the Islam the clerics follow is not based on the koran. The Koran is a Book that preaches freedom and peace.

They'll just wake up and find their bonds broken, finances a mess and markets faling apart. This will be debated for many years. Our U.S. markets will absorb some more losses and then continue to move forward. We can be slowed down, but never stopped. It's chaos and more chaos is ahead. All war and victory is a matter of economics and finance. More chaos is needed in the oil markets to collapse value and lower our expenses. The dollar rises as oil falls and we are working for dollars and not oil. Oil needs broken.

"Ali Sina" is a fictious character and only exists in your sick mind. There are thousands upon thousands of Christains,jews and others who embrace Islam every day without fanfare-because it is natural.

anon, Jews is spelled with a capital letter. It seems you don't know much about spelling.
I'm sure Paganplace who doesn't like bigotry can explain it to you. I'm sure Paganplace will be writing to Asim very soon for the same reason.

Ouch, that voodoo needle really hurt!!!

Sadly, the Qur'an promotes violence against women and non-muslims. Interestedly, the word "love" is absent from the index. Check it out.

Hark Democrat Party, Do not Make Haste; else waist!

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No No No It Could Wait!!!!!!!!!! DO-NOT RUSH!

IT's Not an E-M=E=R=G=E-N-C-Y!!!!

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IT's Not an E-M=E=R=G=E-N-C-Y!!!!

VOTE: NO NO NO Bail-Out NOW! It Could Wait January 2009, not 2008!

VOTE: NO NO NO Bail-Out NOW! It Could Wait January 2009, not 2008!

VOTE: NO NO NO Bail-Out NOW! It Could Waite January 2009, not 2008!

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The Federal so called CREDIt-System' Exageraters, is a FEDERAL RESERVER (tantamount to an ERON trick via the Chairman Bernanki (Bush Evangelical Fronts) & the U.S. Treasury Polson [Bush Evangelical Fronts!)

ScHAME McCain! ScSHAME Trying To Get-out of thgis F R i D A Y's Debate, via Rush to Bail-out his "FRIENDS"! (not Our Friends!)!!!!!

WAiT for The Bail, if any, AFTER the E L E C T I O N!

Thank-A-ScHame!

Mohamed Malleck wrote:

"As a good Muslim who loves Christians, Hindus, Jews, Buddhists, agnostics and all of humanity, I hope so, WE GOOD MUSLIMS HOPE SO, especilly my sister Victoria and Eboo Patel and Professor Muqtedar Khan."

Why are you lying, Mohamed ? Don't you feel ashamed of this ? Quran (009:005), (009:029) states what about such love of yours for Jews, Christians, Pagans [aka Hindus & Buddhists] ....?

And, exclude Prof. Khan from your list of fundies, w'l ya ?

Joe,

"Ali Sina" is a fictious character and only exists in your sick mind. There are thousands upon thousands of Christains,jews and others who embrace Islam every day without fanfare-because it is natural.

CCNL and Jonathan.

Swear to the Gods. If you could just *justify your existence* for half a minute.

Maybe, you wouldn't have to feel that it'd solve something to declare war on the world that sustains whatever white-sugar intake fuels your respective manias.

To the rescue once again with the Five Step Method to Deprogram/"Deflaw" 1400 years of Islamic mumbo jumbo.

Are you ready?

Using "The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith" a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi as a starting point. In it, he explains the essential virtues that reflect true "faith" (iman) through related Qur’anic verses and Prophetic sayings." i.e. a nice summary of the Koran and Islamic beliefs.

1. "Belief in Allah"

aka as God, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Mother Nature, etc." should be added to your cleansing neurons.

2. "To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence."

Evolution and the Big Bang or the "Gib Gnab" (when the universe starts to recycle) are more plausible and the "akas" for Allah should be included if you continue to be a "creationist.

3. "To believe in the existence of angels."

A major item for neuron cleansing. Angels/devils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hittites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ugly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as fairies and "tinker bells". Modern devils are classified as the demons of the demented.

4. "To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore."

Another major item to delete. There are no books written in the spirit state of Heaven (if there is one) just as there are no angels/"pwtfft"s to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.

Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the uneducated masses in line. Today we call them fortune tellers.
Prophecies are also invalidated by the natural/God/Allah gifts of Free Will and Future.

5."To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) alone."
Mohammed spent thirty days fasting in a hot cave before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a "pretty wingy thingy".

Common sense demands a neuron deletion of #5.

#5 is also the major source of Islamic violence i.e. turning Mohammed's "fast, hunger-driven" hallucinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.

Accept these five "cleansers" and we guarantee a complete recovery from your Islamic ways!!!!

Omar writes:

"Victoria pontificates:
“What an embarrassing and ugly display of unbridled hatred”

You reap only what you sow!"

DITTO. Hope you get it Asim pig. But no problem if you don't. It's only just begun.

Hey, Joe!

Nice to resume dialogue with you again. Unfortunately, I have not (I don't think I am entitled to still say 'not yet') got back to Tunis, but at least I am now in Toronto, that 's a few hundred miles nearer to Tunis!

Anuway, you quite Ali Sinai as writing: " The vulnerability of Muslims is shame. Having lost their identity, Muslims seek their selfhood and pride in their religion. Criticizing Islam for Muslims is the most devastating experience. For them, who literally worship Muhammad more than God, hearing him questioned and ridiculed is traumatic.
Paradoxically, this is also their salvation. The more Islam is criticized, the less sensitive Muslims become and gradually they stop clinging to it as their source of pride. Eventually Islam will become their source of shame. It’s then that the great exodus from Islam will begin. It can happen overnight.
Muslims are afraid of dialogue. When they talk about “dialogue between civilizations” they actually mean monologue. They want you to listen to their story, but they are not willing to listen to yours, much less to tolerate your probing questions."

We have had all this conversation before. We have engaged in dialogue and not only me, but my sister Victoria, my brother Eboo Patel, and many, many others have discussed with you the many meanings behind the verses of the Quran, the richness of the Ahaadith, the glory of Muslim practice, all this from the most modern, cosmopolitan point of view, including when Eboo Patel had his column bout TED, including all the postings I made about Islamic Mathematics, Cosmology, Medicine, History, Travel and Discovery.

Why can we not move on to something that is more constructive?

In the present context, I thought that you might like to talk about Islamic Finance. I was told that the Muslim countries' sovereign funds did not get badly burnt in the wreckage of Wall Street because Islamic finance requires that you should refrain from trying to make money just out of money (no usury, no speculation such as on financial derivatives and stuff, but, yes, unleveraged investment is real estate is allowed with a view to making a profit on the property's appreciation) and that the investments finnced should be bcaked by concrete projects and, mostly, you should be personally involved in productively contributing to the appreciation in value of your investments. Preliminary verification seems to sybstantiate what I was told. In another posting, I refrred WAPO readers of this column to Harold Meyerson Op-Ed poiting out that Abu Dhabi is winning while American taxpayers are losing.

As a good Muslim, I want to go a little further. On September 13, in these same columns of WAPO, Henry Kissinger and Martin Feldstein (K/F)wrote an Op-Ed that presented a proposal that essentially amounted to 'strong economy countries' like the US and EU join forces with India and China to 'put diplomatic pressure' on the 'cartelised', 'weak-economy' oil-producing countries of OPEC, who have accumulated large forex reserves in US Treasury bonds to amke them understand that the debt due to them cannot be honoured, not will they be allowed to use them to buy assets in America. Translated, it means that 'we' (that is, 'strong economy countries' which will have made an opportunistic coalition with India and China) will repudiate 'our' debt to these countries (mostly Muslim 'weak economy' countries) and hold a gun to their head to get them to submissively accept the grand theft!. The Op-Ed was quickly withdrawn the moment Ben Bernanke informed a meeting where K/F were that the Fed had run out of cash and the US Treasury would need the collaboration of the world's central banks to stave off a recession (he actually meant a depression, but he is still half bluffing and has partly corrected this bluff by miday today).

Now, if instead of threat, insulting language, and bluff, K/F had formulated their proposal for a collective solution in the more humble and respectful mannere that the dire straits they are in call for, and they had taken the trouble to formulate the solution in a framework that would appeal to Islamic financial practice (and they have many, many experts in the many Islamic Studies Institutes on American campuses that could help them do so), a more acceptable Global Financial Architecture reform programme could have been devised that would not amount to a write-off of debt (less so repudiation of that debt at the point of a gun) but that nonetheless would be far more appealing to all parties concerned, because the cost of adjustment to the wasteful US and an extravagant West would be reduced and the 'weak economy' oil producers would also have something to gain.

I think that, after K/F withdrew their Op-ED and published a sanitized version, they mat have started to think along the lines that I have suggested.

As a good Muslim who loves Christians, Hindus, Jews, Buddhists, agnostics and all of humanity, I hope so, WE GOOD MUSLIMS HOPE SO, especilly my sister Victoria and Eboo Patel and Professor Muqtedar Khan.

" Omar:

Victoria pontificates:
“What an embarrassing and ugly display of unbridled hatred”

You reap only what you sow!"

Really. If she sowed the word 'Musselman' (the most conspicuous unbridled hatred I saw there, see Jonathan's post a little below hers,) it must have been in a past life when they called such a debate 'rhetorical fisticuffism' or some such...

There's certainly a whole lot of denial out there, but that goes for both 'sides.'

Arguing about who's the 'Worse hater' gets pretty moot past a certain point.

What follows is an excerpt from an article by Ali Sina, an ex-Muslim, on “How to Defeat Jihad”.

Only a fool would deny that we are in a war. Muslims have resumed their iihad against humanity. Each side has its weakness. The weakness of non-Muslims, particularly the Westerners, is their guilt. Muslims abuse the non-Muslims in their countries and violate their every human right, but when they come to the West they demand, not just equal, but preferential treatment. Not only they do not abide by our rules, they make us abide by theirs. Most of the meet served in fast food restaurants, and schools in Europe is halal. Why? It’s because the non-Muslims don’t care. And because that Muslims win.  They win because of our indifference and inaction.  The Westerners feel obliged to comply because they are bond by their guilt. Here is where Muslims have their enemies by their collars. They know our weakness and our legal system and they take full advantage of that to strengthen their position. Do we know their weakness?  
The vulnerability of Muslims is shame. Having lost their identity, Muslims seek their selfhood and pride in their religion. Criticizing Islam for Muslims is the most devastating experience. For them, who literally worship Muhammad more than God, hearing him questioned and ridiculed is traumatic.  
Paradoxically, this is also their salvation. The more Islam is criticized, the less sensitive Muslims become and gradually they stop clinging to it as their source of pride. Eventually Islam will become their source of shame. It’s then that the great exodus from Islam will begin. It can happen overnight.   
Muslims are afraid of dialogue. When they talk about “dialogue between civilizations” they actually mean monologue. They want you to listen to their story, but they are not willing to listen to yours, much less to tolerate your probing questions. They demonstrated their intolerance for dialogue when the Pope quoted a Byzantine emperor saying Islam is violent. They avoid situations where Islam can be seriously examined. This is their weakness.  
The Westerners cannot overcome their weakness. They can’t bring themselves to discriminate against Muslims. Their sense of guilt is too strong and too debilitating. This gives Muslims an edge. The only way for the West to overcome this handicap is to take advantage of the weakness of Muslims and this means criticizing of Islam and ridiculing its pedophile, rapist founder.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Author/Sina.htm

Thanks, Prof Khan for your courage and candor in writing this. I only wish there were more voices like yours in the Islamic world -- perhaps more people would listen.

Hey, Omar!

Harold Meterson has an OP-ED in this issue of WAPO titled " Abu Dhabi wins; Taxpayers lose". Did you ask him what did Abu Dhabi and American taxpayers each sowed?

And Malaysia, Indonesia? For all the vibrancy of their democracies (and it does get ugly in Malaysia) these countries are doing better than --- well, let's leave out the country that everybody has in mind and let's compare to a developing country like South Africa currently, or East Timor, that Indonesia has ben accused of occupying.

It's far, far more pleasant to live in the two Muslim countries.

Victoria pontificates:
“What an embarrassing and ugly display of unbridled hatred”

You reap only what you sow!

Sorry, but you cannot continually slaughter with abandon and then claim that the problem doesn't reside in the belief system itself. Very few Christians know how much Muslims loath and despise them for their "idolatry" of Jesus Christ, while Hindus do know how much Muslims hate them for their "idolatry." What they have done to the Israeli Jews and all the Jews of the Middle East, dispossessing them, etc., all the while getting away with it would be unthinkable for any other group. Millions of Jews are in exile. Thousands have been murdered. Children are deliberately targeted.

Christians are in jail for being Christian, and look at what they're doing in Kashmir.

Their unselfconscious racism is breeding a reaction just as their bombing and terrorizing is. People are finally beginning to get it and unless more rational heads prevail among Muslims things will heat up in the other direction.

Required readings for Ramadan:

From Ayaan Hirsi Ali's autobiography, "Infidel".

"Thus begins the extraordinary story of a woman born into a family of desert nomads, circumcised as a child, educated by radical imams in Kenya and Saudi Arabia, taught to believe that if she uncovered her hair, terrible tragedies would ensue. It's a story that, with a few different twists, really could have led to a wretched life and a lonely death, as her grandmother warned. But instead, Hirsi Ali escaped -- and transformed herself into an internationally renowned spokeswoman for the rights of Muslim women."
ref: Washington Post book review.

four excerpts:

p. 47 paperback issue:

"Some of the Saudi women in our neighborhood were regularly beaten by their husbands. You could hear them at night. Their screams resounded across the courtyards. "No! Please! By Allah!"

p.68:

"The Pakistanis were Muslims but they too had castes. The Untouchable girls, both Indian and Pakistani were darker skin. The others would not play with them because they were untouchable. We thought that was funny because of course they were touchable: we touched them see? but also horrifying to think of yourself as untouchable, despicable to the human race."

p.309

"Between October 2004 and May 2005, eleven Muslim girls were killed by their families in just two regions (there are 20 regions in Holland). After that, people stopped telling me I was exaggerating."

p. 347

"The kind on thinking I saw in Saudi Arabia and among the Brotherhood of Kenya and Somalia, is incompatible with human rights and liberal values. It preserves the feudal mind-set based on tribal concepts of honor and shame. It rests on self-deception, hyprocricy, and double standards. It relies on the technologial advances of the West while pretending to ignore their origin in Western thinking. This mind-set makes the transition to modernity very painful for all who practice Islam".

From Sir Salman Rushdie's book "Satanic Verses", p. 376, paperback issue - an excerpt:

"The faithful lived by lawlessness, but in those years Mahound - or should one say the Archangel Gibreel? - should one say Al-Lah? - became obsessed by law.

Amid the palm-trees of the oasis Gibreel appeared to the Prophet and found himself spouting rules, rules, rules, until the faithful could scarcely bear the prospect of any more revelation, Salman said, rules about every damn thing, if a man farts let him turn his face to the wind, a rule
about which hand to use for the purpose of cleaning one's behind.

It was as if no aspect of human existence was to be left unregulated, free. The revelation - the recitation- told the faithful how much to eat, how deeply they should sleep, and which sexual
positions had received divine sanction, so that they leamed that sodomy and the missionary position were approved of by the archangel, whereas the forbidden postures included all those in which the female was on top.

Gibreel further listed the permitted and forbidden subjects of conversation, and earmarked the parts of the body which could not be scratched no matter how unbearably they might itch. He vetoed the consumption of prawns, those bizarre other-worldly creatures which no member of the faithful had ever seen, and required animals to be killed slowly, by bleeding, so that by experiencing their deaths to the full they
might arrive at an understanding of the meaning of their lives, for it is only at the moment of death that living creatures understand
that life has been real, and not a sort of dream.

And Gibreel the archangel specified the manner in which a man should be buried, and how his property should be divided, so that Salman the Persian got to wondering what manner of God this was that soundedso much like a businessman.

This was when he had the idea that
destroyed his faith, because he recalled that of course Mahound himself had been a businessman, and a damned successful one at that, a person to whom organization and rules came naturally, so
how excessively convenient it was that he should have come up with such a very businesslike archangel, who handed down the management decisions of this highly corporate, if noncorporeal, God."

More on Islam and farting: (i.e. Sir Rushdie and the Apostate got it right)

http://www.scribd.com/doc/1503931/Prayer-Recitation-of-Quran-and-Ablution-or-Bath?query2=islam%20fart

"Farting is problematic in Islam. During prayer, a worshipper must not fart. Sahih Bukhari (1.4.137) writes that Allah will not accept a Muslim’s prayer if he/she passes wind during the ritual.

The exception occurs if the worshipper farts silently, or the fart does not smell. In such a case, he/she may continue with the prayer (ibid, 1.4.139).Sunaan Nasai (1.162) writes that if you fart during a prayer you must redo ablution. Sahih Bukhari (9.86.86) says that for a “farter” Allah will not accept his/her prayer until he/she performs another ablution."

As a Christian I often find myself shaking my head in sadness and (honestly) contmept for some of the incredibly foolish and ignorant things some of my fellow Christians try to perpetrate in the name of Christ. At least ignorance, fear and hatred are not the province of misguided Christians alone. Thank you for this thoughtful piece.

The greatest jihad is, of course, the struggle against our own baser instincts -- the greed, the vanity, the envy, the anger, the manipulation -- that fuel the 'me-first' insanity. The greatest jihad is also a sense of awe in front of the sacred, as defined in the Holy Quran and the other holy books that Muslims beleive in (The Psalms -- Zabur --, the Torah, and the Bible -- 'Injeel'), but also as defined by the more recent, inclusive sense of the sacred, such as, for example, explined in Stuart Kaufmann's recent book "Reinventing the Sacred", an approach that doe snot dismiss the teachings of the Hole Books that Muslims beleive in as 'superstition' but view them as eternal truths with dynamic meanings whose kaleidoscopic colours become ever more clearly visible as our brains evolve, as we make inraods from the 'known kown' into the 'knowable unkowns'.

As reagrds the destructive tendencies of so-called jihadis, I fully agree with you; but at the same time I blame those who are wise after the event. No world-wise person, from political pundits to Statesmen of all stripes -- leaders of Muslim countries, leaders of the Western super-powers, leaders of the Non-aligned countries -- could have been so blind as not to have, at least briefly, foreseen the inevitabilty of the horrible blowback we are currently witnessing when the Afghan Mujaahideen and the poor folks of Muslim countries were being lured into fighting the 'Godless Soviets' follwing their invasion of Afghanistan. I remember that, at that time, following my return to my country after having lived in Tehran the full year 1979 of the Iranian Revolution. I wrote several articles of political/geostrategy analysis nature in the newspapers of my country warning against outside intervention in the affairs of Iran and blaming the activist encouragement of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistn by India. I remember that William Ofaff did so as well, at his far, far more influential and erudite level. But, nobody bothered to listen or to take these warnings seriously. The usaul political myopia of short-term interests prevailed, As a result, we have had an 8-year, 2 million victim, several hundred thousand-death Iran/Iraq war, a long Afghan/Soviet war followed by civil war, followed by American ivasion.

Can one realistically today put the blame only on jihadis?

Of course I condemne jihadis, very, very strongly. Of course, we have no alternative but to fight them resolutely now.

But, if we have learnt a lesson from the past mistakes, we should let Iraqis, Afghans, Pakistanis, and, where Indian jihadis actually exist, Indian Muslims, fight their various brands of jihadis rather than encroach on the sovereignty of other nations to fight them. This would be recipe for worse catastrophe.

Ask somebody really worldwise, like William Pfaff or Juan Cole.

As the author mentioned, these Islamic terror incidents targeting civilians, occur almost every day. So these are not exception, but the norm.

Good source on islam is Europenews.dk and thepeaceofreligion.com.

Great article Professor Khan!

The spiritual wisdom of the Bhagavad Gita is about a battle with one's own evil people, and also interpreted as battle with one's own inner enemies.

May millions of peace loving Muslims like you have the courage to take up the battle with evil Muslims who bring great shame to the good, peace loving Muslims by killing their own innocent unarmed civilians.

Well said. It is time for Muslims to face the culture of terrorism. Only then will they be accepted with open arms into the 21th century.

What an embarrassing and ugly display of unbridedled hatred.

Fasting during the day but fun and feasting at night makes Ramadan a joke to non-Muslims.

With respect to Islamic terror during Ramadan and the other eleven months of the year, it will continue until Muslims come to grips with the flaws and errors about their religion.

Ali Sina; an apostate states:
“Islam does not make people spiritual. It make them co-dependent in relation to Muhammad and narcissists vis-à-vis others. You can’t be spiritual if you are a co-dependant and a narcissist. Far from being spiritual, Muslims are the most perverted, corrupt, violent, dishonest, wicked, vile, base, contemptible, depraved, foul, ignoble, immoral, mean, miserable, noxious, wretched and sinful people of the world. This, even they acknowledge; although they foolishly think that they are in this mess because they do not follow the Quran properly. They are poisoned by Islam and they think to recover they have to ingest more of the same poison.”
From an article “Glimpse into The Muslim Mind”.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Author/Sina.htm

Jonathan-

Mohammedickface? Far out.

Why the heck are they still here? Look at the racist pigs and they're dangerous. Why are only Christians and Hindus trying to get rid of them? They're just as much enemies of Jews, more. We need to get them out of here. BLOODY RACIST PIGS. OINK.

I thank the author for at least calling a Muslim a terrorist and expressing concern over daily terror attacks, although I believe it is more to do with Muslims increasingly targeting Muslims in Porkistan. At least this author is better than Eboo Patel and Zakaria who call Islam the best religion and only cry foul when Muslims are killed.

Perhaps you can also explain why your religion needs 57 exclusive Islamic nations to survive and the land of prophet is the most intolerant nation on earth? And why Ahmedainjihad keeps calling for the whole Jewish community to be wiped out but all other Muslims keep quiet?

anon--

hello, mooselim slime RACIST PIG. Murderer of rape victims, murderer of your sister. Musselman, stone anyone to death lately? Cut off anyone's hands pigface, Mohammedick? Blow up any more hotels since the Mariott? Blow up any more churches? Synagogues? WTCs? Mohammedick, don't you get it? No one wants you. Not here, not anywhere. Wrap that towel around your head and scram before we wrap it for you.

Blow your mohammedickface up. Shove allah up your behind on the way to your seventy virgins. Homicidal woman hater, get out of here, before we get you out. And we will my friend. It takes Jews longer to get it than Christians, but we're all getting it Mooselim. Yours is a barbaric religion, just like Deb says. Funny how everyone says the same things about you.

Mooselim, go and crawl back under your rock. Watch out for your antlers. Hindus, Christians, Jews. Together we outnumber you mohammedickface.

Say goodbye, Mooselim. Anon or not we know who you are you RACIST MURDERING MONSTER

Koranist tries to cancel the principle of abrogation in Islam by saying:

“The claim of abrogation is in complete contempt of God's words in the Quran:”
And lot of double talk.
While the Quran clearly states:
“When we abrogate any ayat (verse), or cause it to be forgotten, we produce a better one, or an equal one. Do you not recognize the fact that God is Omnipotent?" Quran 2:106

No amount of double talk would give more than one interpretation of the above verse.
Compare the verse “No compulsion in religion” which is often quoted by Muslim apologists with the later verse in Quran 9: 29 “Fight those who do not believe in Allah and Mohammad….” How can anyone reconcile those two verses by anything other than either there is a contradiction in the texts or one cancels the other? There is no third alternative. Period.

Jonathan:
Are u Jonathan Pollard the Spy-an American jew spying on "his own country" for the racist jewish entity? Does the US government provide lab tops in prisons for spies like u to post comments in WP?

A sober, solid, sensitive commentary.

WP:why does it take so long to post comments? Don't u have any staff on duty??????????

Oh and Mr. Kahn, did I miss your mention of the Quorayza Jews?

Asim, San Antonio writes:

"If these cowards are after true Jihad,then they should go after the occupiers:the jews who occupy Jerusalem and all of historic Palestine, the Indians who occupy Muslim majority Kashmir and like the jews who deny the Palestinians their right to self-determination and the Americans who were never invited to but still came from the other end of the world to invade, destroy and occupy Iraq for no reason except to appease the racist apartheid jewsih thecocracy,israel and for oil-on false pretext"

Bottom line, Mr. Kahn, there may be a few peaceful muslims, but the majority are murdering racists like this one, who lives off, or pollutes our soil. This Asim pig, whose muslim buddies occupy Jewish soil, which most of them stole in the sixteenth century, who will not let Jews into THEIR OWN TEMPLE, who slaughter little girls and then go free, little boys and paste their remains on caves, should go straight to hell or wherever he came from.

One day, American Jews, Jews everywhere will get it and follow the example of the Christians. asim is one of hundreds of millions. Barbaric. Wasn't the WTC enough? Do you want to go up in flames like the Mariott?

Send the muslims back where they came from. JEWS, get back the land and property the musselmen stole from you in Iran, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, etc.

THEY ARE SCUM. Brothers kill sisters for the crime of being raped. DO YOU GET IT????

How much more bloos must flow before we get them off American soil?

Fasting during the day but fun and feasting at night makes Ramadan a joke to non-Muslims.

With respect to Islamic terror during Ramadan and the other eleven months of the year, it will continue until Muslims come to grips with the truth about their religion i.e.

Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/ plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

This agenda continues as shown by the assassination of Bhutto, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/ mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, and the Filipino “koranics”.

And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

Current crises:

The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering, womanizing (11 wives), hallucinating founder.

Isn't it every dutiful Muslim's right to kill the non-believer? If you find this question assuming and offensive, how come this is espoused in the Quran?

Regarding this:

"Unless Muslims wakeup to the culture of terrorism in their world and act to eradicate it, they may find themselves isolated and shunned from the rest of the world, while also being the biggest victims of the very phenomenon they do not fight."

Yes. Thanks for writing this. One hopes that your ideas will gain traction and perhaps make the world a better place.

"All of these attacks have been conducted by people who call themselves "Jihadis", this they claim is their struggle in the path of God. One cannot imagine to what extent the minds and the hearts of these people have become poisoned that in the month of Ramadan, when even frowning is undesirable, they chose to murder and maim indiscriminately. The most incomprehensible aspect of these atrocities is that a vast majority of their victims are the very people on whose behalf these wars are waged!"

Yes, it is quite incredible! In fact it is so incredible that it makes more sense to say that these attacks are not done by Muslims. We could have some fascist elements claiming that they are "Jihadis" just to give bad name to the Muslims. Why is it that every time these bombings take place that some obscure group, calling itself "Mujahideen .. this or Fidayeen .. that" claim the responsibility. Why doesn't the government in those places really find out who they are and punish them hard?

Professor,I agree with U entirely.

Nothing outrages me more than describing those cowards as "jihadis." They have absloutely nothing to do with Jihad in any way,shape or form.

Jihad is the nobelest and the most honorable and legitimate Quest for Human Justice, Freedom and Peace.Those cowards and most media helped and continues to help smear Islam by calling them "Jihadis."

If these cowards are after true Jihad,then they should go after the occupiers:the jews who occupy Jerusalem and all of historic Palestine, the Indians who occupy Muslim majority Kashmir and like the jews who deny the Palestinians their right to self-determination and the Americans who were never invited to but still came from the other end of the world to invade, destroy and occupy Iraq for no reason except to appease the racist apartheid jewsih thecocracy,israel and for oil-on false pretext.

It is true Jihad to fight those cowards who are doing such a dis-service to Islam and Muslims. They are certainly not reading from the same book am reading:Jihad in the sense of military activity is conducted first of all by a legitimate and freely elected political authority;and its conducted for three specific reasons:
Firstly: Jihad AL Dawah-to secure the sacrred right of the freedom of conscious-if a legitimate Muslim state is able to do it;

Secondly, in Self-defense such as evicting the occupying jews from Palestine, the occupying Americans from Iraq-as the Brits were evicted from America and the Nazia from France- and the occupying Indians from Kashmir or any other occupied Muslim land and strictly and only engaging the combatants and avoiding civilians.

This does not apply to israel:all jews except children are soldiers:one part of the jews are on active duty in the regular army and the other are soldiers in reserve.Besides israel was created by violence,terrorism and ethnic cleanesing-we all recall the jewish terror organizations such as Haganah, Palmach and Irgun which ethnically cleanesed over 70% of the indigenous Palestinians in 1947/8;the parents of PM aspirant Tzvi Livni were terrorists and members in the Irgun terror gang.

See the London based well-informed WWW.PLAND.ORG on the Palestine tragedy.

Thirdly, Jihad is conducted to alleviate oppression and injustice off the backs of any peopole who are sufferings such injustices regardless whether they are Muslim or not.

Murdering civilains is just abhorent and totally and unequivocally unislamic:

this is crystal clear from the Commands of the Prophet and the first four Caliphs:that what is not permissbale in peace time is not permisable in war time except fighting the combatants.

The amount of high explosives that it must have taken to do the most recent Marriott bombing in Islamabad points to some kind of involvement from the Pakistani military and/or intelligence services. Jihadi movements in Iraq would not have gotten very far without suppport from influential private citizens in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf countries, and possibly from the Syrian government. What is the world to think when these are not just the isolated acts of a few deranged people, but the deliberate manifestations of of wealthy and influential individuals? The same is true on the Jewish side of the equation; it's not the average Israeli citizen that's pushing the settlements, it's wealthy backers in the US. This was also true for the Irish IRA, and the Armenians fighting against Azeris. In the Arabs' case, the wealthy backers of jihad are just more successful at finding fools to do their bidding, as well as having a bottomless pit of cash at their disposal.

The amount of high explosives that it must have taken to do the most recent Marriott bombing in Islamabad points to some kind of involvement from the Pakistani military and/or intelligence services. Jihadi movements in Iraq would not have gotten very far without suppport from influential private citizens in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf countries, and possibly from the Syrian government. What is the world to think when these are not just the isolated acts of a few deranged people, but the deliberate manifestations of of wealthy and influential individuals? The same is true on the Jewish side of the equation; it's not the average Israeli citizen that's pushing the settlements, it's wealthy backers in the US. This was also true for the Irish IRA, and the Armenians fighting against Azeris. In the Arabs' case, the wealthy backers of jihad are just more successful at finding fools to do their bidding, as well as having a bottomless pit of cash at their disposal.

You write with much self-conviction re your personal belief and a God. The jihadis you describe incl. this "Unfortunately, for some Muslims, murder and mayhem rather than prayer and fasting have become the way to celebrate Ramadan."...makes no sense. What makes you believe that these people have any sense of religiosity when they commit such crimes. This bombing was but a crass taking advantage of a particular timing when the action would have an even more desired effect...of fear, horror, intimidation and to depict their ruthlessness regardless of any "holy" connotation you ascribe to Ramadan. Devious rather than religious might be more apt to their state of mind.

"And then there is a significant Muslim population that lives in denial. They also are intellectually dishonest. They first deny that there is such a thing as jihadi terrorism, resorting to conspiracy theories blaming every act of Jihadi violence either on Israel, the U.S. or India. Then they argue that unjust wars by these three nations (in Palestine, Iraq and Kashmir) is the primary cause for Jihadi violence; a phenomenon whose very existence they have already denied."

I am glad you are forthright with your observation.

I have been reading posting on US based websites frequented by ‘progressive’ and ‘educated’ Pakistanis and the common thread there is denial and blame someone else. Very few have courage to say that Koran need to be reinterpreted as we humans has gained tremendous knowledge about our world and some of the 6th century religious edicts should be modified or completed rewritten as they are not relevant in 21st century.

Happy Ramadan and peace.

Mr. Khan,

Fighting U.S. soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan is also illegitimate. They are there at the request of the current muslim governments of these two countries, and are not there on a mission of conquest, but rather, stabilization. In encouraging these jihadis to go fight against the soldiers of the country where you live and enjoy protection is outrageous. Or, are you hoping that the U.S. military will kill these jihadis?

SALAAM ALEIKUM.
Please pardon me Professor, for disagreeing with you and writing these unpleasant truth:
I have read the Quran three times- three different translations- to understand why Muslims are so violent, inhumane, intolerant and barbaric when they proclaim their religion is peaceful, non violent, compassionate, and a real path to Allah- as there is no God.
Unfortunately, the text is ambiguous, full of hatred, savagery, discrimination and even prohibits friendship with Non Muslims. Sorry, I cannot remember other nasty things.
Jihadis get their direction from this text that they get an easy access to Heaven by killing.
Please disassociate Palestine, Iraq or Kashmir from religion as they are political issues and a byproduct of the colonial world.
As per Allah's life(PBUH), he had thirty wives including five years old and is a violent, ruthless militant, the pioneer of violent Islam( I have read history of Islam, Middle East, and Iran).
Late M.A. Zinnah, father of Pakistan, was never a true Muslim, but he used Quran to declare the first war of violence with Direct Action Day only to get into power. He got it with the support of British Imperialist who had planted the seeds of hatred during their rule in the Subcontinent.
Religion is a private thing. As you know there are a large number of books denying existence of God.
Honestly, peace and harmony will come to this world, if in Ramdan spirit, people throw away Quran for purifying the soul of the world
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Thanks.

Cause they believe in abrogation and believe verse 9-29 has abrogated all the verses about defensive wars in Koran. This is supported by the hadith inspired Sunni sectarianism these poeple and including Muqtedar Khan follow:

Abrogation claims of Muslim Scholars

(The biggest lie against the Quran)

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The fabricated concept of Quranic abrogation is probably the biggest single lie against the Quran. This fabrication was originally invented during the fourth century A.H. (late 10th century A.D.) by some Muslim scholars notably Ahmed Bin Ishaq Al-Dinary (died 318 A.H.), Mohamad Bin Bahr Al-Asbahany (died 322 A.H.), Hebat Allah Bin Salamah (died 410 A.H.) and Mohamad Bin Mousa Al-Hazmy (died 548 A.H.), whose book about Al-Nasekh and Al-Mansoukh is regarded as one of the leading references in the subject.

According to this concept, it is claimed that numerous verses in the Quran have actually been abrogated and invalidated by other verses!

The verse that is the abrogator they call (Al-Nasekh) while the abrogated verse they call (Al-Mansoukh).

These scholars have come up with hundreds of cases of abrogated verses to the extent that they have formulated a whole science of the subject filling lengthy books and references.

Although the concept was originally invented by Muslim scholars as a result of their poor understanding of the Quran, yet it has been widely exploited by non-Muslim writers to tarnish the perfection and divinity of the book. The claim is based on the misinterpretation of the following verse:

"When we abrogate any ayat, or cause it to be forgotten, we produce a better one, or an equal one. Do you not recognize the fact that God is Omnipotent?" 2:106

The claim of abrogation is in complete contempt of God's words in the Quran:

"The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. NOTHING SHALL ABROGATE HIS WORDS." 6:115

"A.L.R. This is a book whose AYATS HAVE BEEN PERFECTED" 11:1
"……the words of God are UNCHANGEABLE"10:64

As is plainly clear from the above Quranic words, God asserts that the words of the Quran are perfect, harbour no contradictions and cannot be abrogated. Yet sadly these scholars have invented the greatest lie against the Quran, claiming that there are verses in the Quran that abrogate and invalidate other verses.

They base their claim on a corrupted interpretation of two verses:

FIRST VERSE 2:106

"Whichever Ayah We relinquish or cause to be forgotten We replace it with its equal or with that which is greater, did you not know that God is capable of all things?" 2:106

What the interpreters claim is that this verse confirms that some Quranic verses are invalidated by others. They interpret ‘Ayah’ in this verse to mean a verse in the Quran.

However the word Ayah, as used in the Quran, can have one of four different meanings:

a- It could mean a miracle from God as in:

"And We supported Moses with nine profound Ayah's (miracles)." 17:101

b- It could also mean an example for people to take heed from as in:

"And the folk of Noah, when they disbelieved the messengers, We have drowned them and set an Ayah (example) of them for all people." 25:37

c- The word ‘Ayah’ can also mean a sign as in:

"He said, ‘My Lord, give me an ‘Ayah’ (sign).’ He said, ‘Your Ayah is that you will not speak to people for three consecutive nights." 19:10

d- It could mean a verse in the Quran, as in:

"This is a book that We have sent down to you that is sacred, perhaps they will reflect on its ‘Ayat’ (verses)." 38:29

Now if we consider verse 106 of Sura 2, we can easily spot that the word ‘Ayah’ in this particular verse could not mean a verse in the Quran. It can mean any of the other meanings (miracle, example or sign) but not a verse in the Quran. This is because of the following reasons:

1- The words "cause to be forgotten" could not be applicable if the word ‘Ayah’in this verse meant a verse in the Quran. How can a verse in the Quran become forgotten? For even if the verse was invalidated by another (as the interpreters falsely claim) it will still be part of the Quran and thus could never be forgotten.

2- The words "We replace it with its equal" would be meaningless if the word ‘Ayah’ in this verse meant a Quranic verse, simply because it would make no sense for God to invalidate one verse then replace it with one that is identical to it!

3- If the word ‘Ayah’ in verse 106 meant a miracle an example or a sign, then all the words of the verse would make perfect sense. The words "cause to be forgotten" can apply to all three meanings and that is what actually happens with the passing of time. The miracles of Moses and Jesus have long been forgotten. We only believe in them because they are mentioned in the Quran.

Similarly the words "We replace with its equal or with that which is greater" is in line with the miracles of God. God indeed replaces one miracle with its equal or with one that is greater than it. Consider the following verse :

"And We have sent Moses with Our Ayah’s (miracles or signs) to Pharaoh and his elders proclaiming : ‘I am a messenger from the Lord of the universe’. When he brought them our Ayah's they laughed at him. Every Ayah We showed them was greater than the one that preceded it." 43:46-48

SECOND VERSE 16:101

"When We substitute one Ayat (revelation) in place of another, and God is fully aware of what He reveals, they say, 'You made this up'. Indeed most of them do not know"

The substitution spoken of here is concerned with one of two things:

a- The substitution of one Scripture in place of another.

b- The substitution of one verse or law within a Scripture with another in a subsequent Scripture

a- The first meaning is given evidence to in the following verse:

"Then we revealed to you this scripture, truthfully, confirming previous scriptures, and superseding them." 5:48

Here, the words "superseding them." confirm that the previous scripture were substituted with the Quran.

b- The second meaning is also given evidence to in the Quran where various issues that were prohibited to the previous people of the book were made lawful in the Quran.

As an example, we are told in 2:187 that sexual intercourse between married couples during the nights of the fasting month was made lawful, while it was prohibited previously.

We are also told in 6:146 that God prohibited for the Jews all animals with undivided hoofs; and of the cattle and sheep the fat was prohibited. These were made lawful in the Quran.

This verse 16:101 does not speak about the substitution of one verse in the Quran with another.

The evidence to that is given within the same verse (16:101):
The key to the meaning of the verse lies in the words:

"........they say, 'You made this up"

Here we must stop and ask, who is likely to tell the messenger "You made this up"? And why? For sure it cannot be his followers, his followers are not likely to tell him:

"You have made it up"................it has to be those who do not believe in him, which focuses on the followers of previous scripture who feared that their scripture was in danger of being "substituted" with the Quran............

What more evidence to that more than the fact that till this day, the Jews and Christians accuse Muhammad that he fabricated the Quran himself! If this accusation is from the Jews and Christians we must then ask, are they accusing Muhammad of substituting one verse in the Quran with another? The Jews and Christians do not care if one verse in the Quran is substituted for another, after all they do not believe in the whole book............. they will not complain that one verse in the Quran is being substituted with another! However, and if their Scripture is being substituted by the Quran, they will immediately accuse the messenger that the Scripture he brings (Quran) is not from God but that he "made it up" himself.

These glorious words "You have made it up" indeed stand as true indicator from God Almighty that the substitution spoken of in this verse is not related to one within the Quran, but indeed a substitution between two scripture.

As mentioned before, the substitution of the previous scripture with the Quran is confirmed in 5:48

As a result of the corruption of the meaning of 2:106 and 16:101, and the claim that some Quranic verses invalidate other verses, the interpreters have demonstrated their failure to uphold two main characteristics of the Quran, those being that the Quran is perfect and harbours no contradictions (11:1) and also that the words of God are unchangeable (10:64).

It is well worth inquiring here into the motive behind the interpreters corruption of the meaning of 2:106 and 16:101.

Perhaps the major reason is not connected to the Quran at all but to the ‘hadith’. It is well accepted among the hadith scholars that the concept of abrogation applies to the hadith since it is found that many ‘hadith’ contradict one another. The examples of these are too numerous. The following are only some examples:

P.S. (the first number is the number of the book (chapter), and second number is the number of hadith. For example Muslim 18/58 means the 58th hadith in the 18th book of Muslim. In other quotations the name of the chapter is given instead of its number.

1- "I am the most honourable messenger" (Bukhary 97/36).
This hadith contradicts the following hadith:
"Do not make any distinction among the messengers; I am not even better than Jonah" (Bukhary 65/4,5; Hanbel 1/205,242,440).

2- "The Prophet never urinated in standing position" (Hanbel 6/136,192,213). This contradicts:
"The prophet urinated in standing position" (Bukhary 4/60,62).

3- "The prophet said, ‘The sun was eclipsed the day Ibrahim (the prophet’s son) died’… (Bukhary 7/page 118)
This contradicts:
"The prophet said, ‘the sun and moon are signs from God, they are not eclipsed for the death or life of any one" (Bukhari 2/page 24)

4- "If two Muslims fight each other with their swords, the killer and the killed will go to hell" (Bukhari 1/page 13, Muslim 18/page 10).
This hadith contradicts the hadith of the ten who were foretold that they will go to heaven by the prophet (Ahmad 1/page 187-188, also narrated by Abu Dawood and Al-Tarmazy). That is because among those ten were those who fought and killed one another in battle, specifically Ali, Talha and Al-Zobair. According to the first hadith they will go to hell but accoding to the second hadith they are foretold paradise!

5- In various hadith, specifically in the chapters of the ‘Hereafter’ in the books of Bukhary and Muslim we read numerous predictions by the prophet detailing what will take place there. This contradicts the hadith by Aesha, the prophet’s wife where she says "Anybody who says that Muhammad knows the future is a liar" (Bukhary 8/ page 166, Muslim 3/ page 9-10)

6- "The prophet said, ‘Take your religion from the words of Aesha (the prophet’s wife)"
This contradicts: "The prophet said, ‘Aesha is immature in mind and faith." (Bukhari and others)

The heart of the matter is directly connected to the following verse:

"Why do they not study the Quran carefully? If it were from a source other than God, they would have detected within it numerous contradictions." 4:82

This verse confirms that anything that contains contradictions cannot be from God, and since the hadith contains numerous contradictions, as shown, it cannot be from God. But the hadith advocates claim that the hadith was inspired by God and that the hadith Al-Qudsy is God’s own words spoken to Muhammad! If that is so, how could they explain the contradictions in hadith? How could it be from God when it is full of contradictions? According to 4:82 nothing that contains contradictions can be from God.

To wiggle out of this tricky situation, the hadith advocates devised the concept of the abrogation of Quranic verses.

The plan was as such: If the Quran can be shown to contain contradictory verses, yet no one will dispute that it is from God, then the hadith with its contradictions can also be described to be inspired by God !!!

Quite a sly plot except for one minor detail:

.THE QURAN CONTAINS NO CONTRADICTIONS!

Fasting during the day but fun and feasting at night makes Ramadan a joke to non-Muslims.

With respect to Islamic terror during Ramadan and the other eleven months of the year, it will continue until Muslims come to grips with the truth about their religion i.e.

Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/ plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

This agenda continues as shown by the assassination of Bhutto, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/ mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, and the Filipino “koranics”.

And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

Current crises:

The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering, womanizing (11 wives), hallucinating founder.

Thank you for your moral clarity on this issue. People who do the unspeakable in the name of religion(s) need to be called out for what they are: cowards and hypocrites. It saddens me to see some take what is beautiful in the world (reflection, dedication, spirituality, etc.) and twist it beyond recognition.

Dr. Muqtedar Khan:

My kudos to you for being so candid with Jihadists in your "mahzzab". We Hindus have the same stripe of fundamentalists - Bajrang Dal - activists causing mayhem and carnage in Orissa against Christian minorities; breaking down churches and spreading terror. Fortunately, these lunatic Hindus cannot cite from any religious Hindu scripture to justify theie misdeeds. But, the Muslim Jihadists do cite the Quran [004:095] to prove their point in their commitment to mindless bloodshed.

Happy and Glorious Ramadan to you.

Allah Hafiz