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I know hell is real and I have not had a near death experience. I also know that spiritual death is real, both are horrible beyond words but Jesus did win the keys to both, actually Jesus suffered the worst pangs of hell, He took the sin and the sins of the world upon Himself, doesn't anyone understand that, that is what He did, not just the physical death. A question to think about: Jesus said to forgive absolutely everyone an infinite number of times, do you think that Jesus, God-Incarnate, asked us to be more forgiving than God? I have met the whole Trinity, God is a Trinity, God is Pure Love, the god of islam says that Jesus is merely a prophet, the god of islam is satan, but before some of you that consider yourselves christians get on your high horse remember the True, Living, Triune, Triumphant God is a searcher of hearts and minds, not of religious affiliations or lack thereof. When God chose to become a man and became Jesus of Nazareth, a Jew, He became the Brother of the entire human race just like all of us are brothers and sisters whether we like it or agree with it or not. If you would happen to die and wake up in hell you will know that you built it yourself and you have no one to blame for it not even satan even though he is a liar and a thief and a deceiver, actually deceiver I believe is the hebrew translation of satan but I am not positive. We are in the sixth day of creation, God days, how long each one lasted I do not know and how long the sixth day will last until night comes I do not know but night will come. The seventh day will get here though and that is when God's Kingdom will come and God's Plan is for all of His Children, ALL. Remember God wins, satan loses, a tie is unacceptable, Jesus will use the Keys He won in due time, the captives shall be released and the dead shall rise. See you in the Kingdom. Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

Forgiveness is a central theme for anyone who is attempting to live a mindful life where every moment is free from selfishness and, instead, full of peace and joy. Without forgiving those who have “wronged” “you” then “you” are the one who suffers. In other words, since the psychological effects of not forgiving someone are to cause the non-forgiving person to suffer over past events or phenomena, true forgiveness frees the one forgiving from suffering due to memories of the past. This psychological “freedom from the past” through forgiveness allows us to live completely in “this” moment with a deep understanding that your part of the “kingdom of heaven” is always in the NOW. If you do not forgive, you cannot truly live in this moment which is where all things exists.
By teaching us to even forgive our enemies, wasn’t Jesus Christ showing us the way to truly live in the moment and not let past transgressions enter our psychological perceptions and, thereby, mask the moment. We all hate the actions of tyrants, terrorists, murderers, etc. but when we realize that the person behind the actions acted selfishly to achieve their “sinful” act, it is the victim who suffers further by “reliving” the past by not truly forgiving the act. To repeat part of an earlier post:

If one looks deeply into their existence, one can determine that humans are not separate entities from the rest of the universe. In other words, we as physical beings are intimately connected to other “things” in the universe. We cannot survive without water, oxygen, vegetables, fruit, etc. and, therefore, we are a “part” of the “whole” Our ability to distinguish ourselves from other humans or animals or plants is an evolutionary strategy for self survival. But when you combine our intellectual abilities of conceptualization with our self awareness, we “create” a complex selfish entity. Within our thoughts over our lifetimes, we create an entity of self that attempts to protect itself from others and attach itself to people and to things. In Christian terminology this selfishness is defined as sin. Selfish acts and thoughts always cause the selfish person to suffer. Also, since in true reality we are part of all things, when we are selfless in thoughts and acts, we are one with “god“. However, when we are selfish in thoughts and acts, we are separate from “god”.

To not forgive is to allow the “self” to be psychologically central and, thereby, disallow the condition of oneness with “god” (which is our true nature).

Weir has, perhaps, stumbled upon the crux of the matter: Forgiveness.

It has always bothered me that transgression, revenge, and counter-vengeance is transmitted generation-to-generation as if some sort of geographic genotype expressed in an endless cycle of death, be it in the Ireland of old or the Middle East of today.

My sense is that the human definition of justice in these cases is flawed. Perhaps hell is useful to keep in the canon of mythology so that we can somehow break the cycle of retribution on earth and let future, and indeed, innocent generations repair our follies.

With that, submitted from my sleepy backwater in the lake of fire, is this 2003 essay, which I first read at the dawn of the Iraq war. Herein Rabbi Meir Y. Soloveichik, a Yale Divinity student, writes a lengthy exposition on whether it is possible to forgive one who knows what he is doing.

---FIUS

http://www.firstthings.com/article.php3?id_article=425

Excerpt below:

There is, in fact, no minimizing the difference between Judaism and Christianity on whether hate can be virtuous. Indeed, Christianity’s founder acknowledged his break with Jewish tradition on this matter from the very outset: “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be children of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the righteous and on the unrighteous. . . . Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.” God, Jesus argues, loves the wicked, and so must we. In disagreeing, Judaism does not deny the importance of imitating God; Jews hate the wicked because they believe that God despises the wicked as well.

I get a laugh out of all of you news media types trying to go into the spiritual realm of Heaven and Hell. These matters are all recorded in the Chtistian Bible. Jesus spoke more on hell,than he did on Heaven. The reason He did was so folks would know how to avoid it. Hell was prepared for Satan and the angels who rebelled against God in Heaven.These things are only for the Christ rejectors.We are living in the last of the last days, and folks are being deceived big time. That preacher in Tulsa, OK. is a good example of that. Satan will use any one for his plan . All through out the Bible God has named His conditions of dealing with man. God would say, If you do this Or that , then I will do such and such. God meets us if we draw near Him, and we have that free will issue. We send ourselves to Hell because of our disobedience.Hell is a rel place. Before Jesus rose from he dead , the Bible say's He went down into the belly of the earth, and fought with Satan and over came him ,and took the keys to death, hell, and the grave away from him. That means those things no longer have any power over us if we choose to excercise that power. We have to know that we have that power though. Ignorance of the Bible is the reason for all of the confusion about the things of God.If there is no Hell then we all can live any old way we choose, and it wouldn't matter!! I don't think so.Jesus is a loving and fair , just God. Since He is a just God , He has to punish sin. Jesus did die on the cross to take away the sin of the world. John3:16 is one of the most familiar verses in the Christian Bible, and yet so many millions of folks are denying Him. Muslims say Jesus was a great prophet, and according to the pastor in OK. Muslims are going to go to Heaven, and they don't accept Jesus's divinity. There again I do not think so !!. Even you news media types are always trying to take away Jesus's divinity. You guys are trying to figure it all out intellectually. As i said earlier , these things are not of the natural mind. They are spiritually discerned. You guys pick on a few Theological intellects to give you the answers and they are just as lost as you are.Jesus said that in the last days that men would not heed sound doctrine any more. That's where we are now. That has been going on for a long time now. I know of the Tulsa preacher , and some of his background, and it's too bad because he is making many to leave the faith. He will anwer to God about this deception. I feel bad because so many folks fall into that trap of listening to other people, instead of looking for the truth themselves. Jesus said, I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Your television shows also influence folks to stray away from the truth.Hell is a real place. I have heard testimonies of folks who died and God allowed them to see Hell and it's horrors. It is not some fairy tale like folks say. I think the greatest laugh Satan has, is that he has convinced the world at large he is not real. I'm belaboring this because I am so tired of the media talking about stuff they know nothing about. Bill Weir on his show on Hell even alluded to the ide that Hell was right here on earth. Well my friend this is a picnic compared to the lake of fire that burns forever. The Bible say;s Do not be deceived, God will not be mocked. A very concerned beleiver in Hell , and also in Heaven. By the way is my eternal home. Jan

I get a laugh out of all of you news media types trying to go into the spiritual realm of Heaven and Hell. These matters are all recorded in the Chtistian Bible. Jesus spoke more on hell,than he did on Heaven. The reason He did was so folks would know how to avoid it. Hell was prepared for Satan and the angels who rebelled against God in Heaven.These things are only for the Christ rejectors.We are living in the last of the last days, and folks are being deceived big time. That preacher in Tulsa, OK. is a good example of that. Satan will use any one for his plan . All through out the Bible God has named His conditions of dealing with man. God would say, If you do this Or that , then I will do such and such. God meets us if we draw near Him, and we have that free will issue. We send ourselves to Hell because of our disobedience.Hell is a rel place. Before Jesus rose from he dead , the Bible say's He went down into the belly of the earth, and fought with Satan and over came him ,and took the keys to death, hell, and the grave away from him. That means those things no longer have any power over us if we choose to excercise that power. We have to know that we have that power though. Ignorance of the Bible is the reason for all of the confusion about the things of God.If there is no Hell then we all can live any old way we choose, and it wouldn't matter!! I don't think so.Jesus is a loving and fair , just God. Since He is a just God , He has to punish sin. Jesus did die on the cross to take away the sin of the world. John3:16 is one of the most familiar verses in the Christian Bible, and yet so many millions of folks are denying Him. Muslims say Jesus was a great prophet, and according to the pastor in OK. Muslims are going to go to Heaven, and they don't accept Jesus's divinity. There again I do not think so !!. Even you news media types are always trying to take away Jesus's divinity. You guys are trying to figure it all out intellectually. As i said earlier , these things are not of the natural mind. They are spiritually discerned. You guys pick on a few Theological intellects to give you the answers and they are just as lost as you are.Jesus said that in the last days that men would not heed sound doctrine any more. That's where we are now. That has been going on for a long time now. I know of the Tulsa preacher , and some of his background, and it's too bad because he is making many to leave the faith. He will anwer to God about this deception. I feel bad because so many folks fall into that trap of listening to other people, instead of looking for the truth themselves. Jesus said, I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Your television shows also influence folks to stray away from the truth.Hell is a real place. I have heard testimonies of folks who died and God allowed them to see Hell and it's horrors. It is not some fairy tale like folks say. I think the greatest laugh Satan has, is that he has convinced the world at large he is not real. I'm belaboring this because I am so tired of the media talking about stuff they know nothing about. Bill Weir on his show on Hell even alluded to the ide that Hell was right here on earth. Well my friend this is a picnic compared to the lake of fire that burns forever. The Bible say;s Do not be deceived, God will not be mocked. A very concerned beleiver in Hell , and also in Heaven. By the way is my eternal home. Jan

I think fear fuels our imagination to the hilt. The more fearful and scared we are about the things that we do in life, which are mostly things done in afterthought and carelessness, the scarier our version of our damnation becomes.

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Aah Josevz, It sounds like he was dropped on his head by his mama too many times and unfortunately for him and us you can’t fix stupid.

One of my favorites:

Monte Python: International Philosophy

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xrShK-NVMIU

Enjoy!

I love Josevz...you can't understand what he's saying when he's happy, you can't understand him when he's angry. But it's so weird because you can tell when he's angry and when he's happy. It's one of those mysteries in life that I will never figure out. Ya Ya!!

Thanks for making my day Josevz, even though I have no idea what you just said I give you a 9 on the unintentional funny scale. Thanks Ya Ya!!

The Meaning of Life, another great Monty Python movie.

well, i hve some time on my hhands and was just weighing kentucky fried movie and the meaning of life in each hand-

meaning of life it is.

peace peoples

JOVEZ,

Chill.

Look, the thread was dead, the last 2 posts were jokes, and we "inferior people" were off having a smoke by ourselves, as it were.

I'm sorry you felt excluded by our not having provided enough information so as to be able to make a reasoned determination as to whether it would be to your taste to click the link or not. It shan't happen again, by me at least. I can't speak for anonymous.

The python references are as relevant and hilarious today as they were 35 years ago. Maybe ya just had ta be there. They are part of the fabric of my light cone and I consider them public domain.

But since it gives you such grief, fine, I don't need no stinkin' yoootoob, either. Praise the Eclati (Now please be so kind as to explain that. Acronym? Anagram? Palindrome? ECLA is Evangelical Christian Lutheran Association or something like that in this province.)

And NO!-- I shan't let it go entirely unchallenged-- The lord of light without heat is dismayed at the calories aka entropy that you've generated using the F-word. What's with that? Were you an abused altar boy? You can get help with that you know.

---FIUS

Huh?

Ya ya! Please tell All of Us What we are Linking Too, not just effertlessley. a/k/a the Easy Way. please Tell us , like a "reporter" what we expect in Full disclosure, except varifiable/Coroborative stuff...

What?

A N O N Y M O U s's, you's a bunch a sucker's! Explain the 'U-TUBE' crap before you expect Eclati-on(s) to link! Note: nWe , I've never Linked a "U-Tube" contraption , so to speaketh.

Because only "WEAK-FOLK" Hide Behind such "U-tube" craparino's or via other people's man/Woman made but never Authentic, art work.

Please: If you can not explain, in detail, what you are asking US to "Click-Your-Link' then you are a sucker or are too sztupid to explain, which is a sign of INFERIOR people!

Yes; "FAITHLESS IN US" Fagett! And yes "Anony,annis puncks only hide behind other authors.

Note: I'VE NEVER LINKED TO ANY "U-Tube" Craparino!

If, you have anything original/authentic (not plagarised] then show me you craparinoo Faggarrino!! ya Ya momma poppa monso mona's!

So do not be a faggodarrino! ya Ya eeeeee Haaaaa Boy/Girly Guy/Gal! <?:+)/ ummmm Punk!

Praise the Lord Eclati!

Only slightly more relevant:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g

--FIUS

Funniest Joke In The World:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjbYNgIi5ss

Q. What did the zen master say to the hot dog vendor?
A. Make me one with everything!

Donttypelies, if you really believe that our Western values came from Christian faith you are quite incorrect. Shouldn't our values be reflected in the justice system? Well they are not, and that has nothing to do with them being "hijacked" by secularism - it has to do with the fact that many of those laws don't work or aren't clear. The absolutism of Biblical law proves how weak it is. Our judicial system is more like that of the Vikings than anything else. Jury of our peers meeting at one location, presenting evidence and the support of witnesses, family, and other men to support us. No public stonings or the like.

"If we don't feed the terrorists over there we will have to feed them here!"

One quick question: Why is it that Christians who seem so concerned about "gray areas" and ambiguities in secular-based morals, ethics, and laws always fall back on the OLD Testament for justifying the importance of religion as a fixed reference point. I thought Christianity was all about the NEW Testament?

Oh for the love of god, that IS rich.

The torah teaches us that it's ok to impregnate your daughters if your wife has disobeyed god. That it's ok to send a man to die that you might take his wife as your concubine.

paul, not mohammed, teaches us that the women must pray with a covered head because she is made for the glory of man, not god.

Smoke this one over: think of the jizyah as the mark of your beast, that which allows you to survive during the deception of your false prophets and antichrists. Aren't we doing you a favor, then, by making this a reality? I mean, really, judas was the original saint who set the wheel in motion for you wasn't he? Why would you not want to see the revelation brought about in your lifetime?

Feeding the terrorists, indeed!

---FIUS

There are certain things that are just black and white issues. Child molestation is not a "gray area", "drug abuse is not a "gray area", violence against women is not a "gray area" and so on. There must be absolutes in a society to keep the order and for moral reasons, otherwise we live in chaos. What society can live in moral chaos? Where do our beleifs come from? Certainly we in the west did not adopt our laws from some desert rat who lived under a rock 2 million years ago. We in the west have laws based on the moral teachings of the Bible. To cut those roots is not healthy for a society -- we will become lost --

On another note, I hope that everyone knows by the announcement declaration of athiest beliefs, they are inciting the muslims to violence. As Ayan Hirsi Ali noted in her synopsis the Jew and Christian fundamentalists are the only ones allowed to live as long as they pay the jizyah tax and accept subjugation.

Please don't feed the terrorists.

There are certain things that are just black and white issues. Child molestation is not a "gray area", "drug abuse is not a "gray area", violence against women is not a "gray area" and so on. There must be absolutes in a society to keep the order and for moral reasons, otherwise we live in chaos. What society can live in moral chaos? Where do our beleifs come from? Certainly we in the west did not adopt our laws from some desert rat who lived under a rock 2 million years ago. We in the west have laws based on the moral teachings of the Bible. To cut those roots is not healthy for a society -- we will become lost --

On another note, I hope that everyone knows by the announcement declaration of athiest beliefs, they are inciting the muslims to violence. As Ayan Hirsi Ali noted in her synopsis the Jew and Christian fundamentalists are the only ones allowed to live as long as they pay the jizyah tax and accept subjugation.

Please don't feed the terrorists.

And those who do not beleive are first on the hit list of the muslims to murder.
At least the Christians and Jews will be spared their lives if they pay the jizyah tax and accept subjugation.

And those who do not beleive are first on the hit list of the muslims to murder.
At least the Christians and Jews will be spared their lives if they pay the jizyah tax and accept subjugation.

And those who do not beleive are first on the hit list of the muslims to murder.
At least the Christians and Jews will be spared their lives if they pay the jizyah tax and accept subjugation.

Man survives a near fatal plane crash and lives to tell his near death experience:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=M19g4KtVAGQ

It's a great achievement for Islamic leaders and scholars as well as Newsweek and the Washington post to present this imperative opportunity for inter cultural and global philosophical dialogue. What's important is that by exchanging our ideas and comments regarding inter religious relations and world events that affect our views of each other as fellow human beings. Since the advent of humanity, We strove to make sense of the world we live in and the lives we've experienced. Worldwide curiosities to learn the true nature of life and our universe is an exceptionally rare virtue upon life on Earth. In other words, we're the only known species on the planet who've pursued to unravel these great mysteries and developed written philosophies based upon our understanding of the world around us.
One such philosophy that lasted throughout the ages of humanity is commonly known as religion and spirituality. Ever since our early belief in the Sky God and the God Mother from ancient Pagan times, we vigorously pursued to unravel the truth about our most profound questions. As any educated person would know that religion and their core beliefs or faith have evolved over time. Paganism, Monotheism and Polytheism have been influenced by humanity as these great philosophies have influenced our perceptions and decisions in life over the ages. Over time humanity has embraced diverse religious faiths and spiritual convictions that continue to influence our behavior in our times and most likely beyond.
What's vital for humanity's progress and even survival is to know the true nature of faith itself. To understand the true origins of faith. But most of all, is to accept the truth for whatever it may be. Each one of us will learn the absolute truth once we die. But until that time comes for anyone of us to depart this world, we really don't know the answer to God's existence nor do we have the absolute truth in regards to the true nature of God. Besides if we did possess the truth, there would've been only one religion on Earth with no diversification of any way, shape of form. There would only be one holy scripture written throughout human history.
Considering one's religious faith to be absolute, while considering others to be false would be ethnocentric at best. While collectively searching to unravel the mysteries on nature, life and the universe through sincere reasoning and serious research would be enlightening at its worst. Most importantly, we must accept the fact is that none of us have conclusive evidence to confirm our core beliefs and there's always an immanent change that our most cherished beliefs could be wrong. Our greatest challenge would be to tolerate the truth no matter what it may ultimately be. With such an open mind, we would be able to overcome any future discovery that would contradict our faith regarding the true nature of life, spirituality and divinity.
Humanity does have the ability to achieve such a social achievement. However, it's solely up to humanity and not any other entity or groups of entities to decide our destinies. Each one of us has a choice to make; either hopelessly engaging into meaningless inter cultural conflicts or combine our scientific and cultural gifts to thrive into an enlightened global civilization that could ultimately expand beyond our solar system. The choice is yours, and the time to make it is now!

You have a caricatural explanation of the Islamic idea of heaven and hell, taking only selected verses of the Quran, as is so typical of non-Muslims. I had the opportunity to expain the Islamic idea of heaven and hell (when the teachings of the Quran and the Sunnah are taken holistically) in the initial posting I made to an introductory comment by Sally Quinn et al. But, Icannot retrace it now, so I'll repeat it.

When this person died he was given an opportunity to visit both heaven and hell. He was first introduced to hell. There he saw men and women who were agonising in the cruellest of thirst and hunger while in their hands, with arms outstretched by iron bars fixed to their wrists and shoulders by tight iron clasps, they held the most delicious and exquisite food and beverages which they were desperately trying to bring to their mouths. The place was dense with tangible self-hatred and hatred for everybody else around. "Eternal agony", though the newsly-dead visitor to hell, before he was led to heaven.

And there : same sight, except that, instead of the endless agony of trying vainly to bring the fod and veverages to one's won mounth, each person was outdoing the other in feeding his neighbour the choicest piece of food or sip of drink that he or she might indicate a liking for. The place was filled with merriment and eternal rejoicing. "Eternal bliss in heaven, indeed" concluded the newly-dead visitor.

This idea of > or what social scientists have recently started studying as 'social and spiritual capital' is what the eminent scientist Peter Turchin has studied and reports in his book "War&Peace&War" and , he claims (though I am a Mualim, I have yet to be fully convinced of his argument) accounts for the stupendous spread of Islam, continuing up to this day as the fastest growing religion in the world.

Peter Turchin has his own website and I would advise those who are open-minded enough to seek to learn a little more about his ideas, including his views about Islam and War&Peace&War to visit his website.

Skeptics might prefer a more scientific approach, in which case I would recommend the following article from the foremost scientific journal Nature:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v440/n7087/abs/nature04470.html

Selah...Be Still...Stop and Listen

In Rastafarian it means to "consider what is being said"

In Hebrew it means "weigh and measure"

Hunter S. Thompson and Kurt Vonnegut used it to say "so it goes" "as it is"

Psalms in the old testament uses it 39 times to say "pause" "amen" "forever"

Music by Peter Kater and Carlos Nakai "East"
Nature footage by Prelingers Archive

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSUA_E0Ce4A

It's a great achievement for Islamic leaders and scholars as well as Newsweek and the Washington post to present this imperative opportunity for inter cultural and global philosophical dialogue. What's important is that by exchanging our ideas and comments regarding inter religious relations and world events that affect our views of each other as fellow human beings. Since the advent of humanity, We strove to make sense of the world we live in and the lives we've experienced. Worldwide curiosities to learn the true nature of life and our universe is an exceptionally rare virtue upon life on Earth. In other words, we're the only known species on the planet who've pursued to unravel these great mysteries and developed written philosophies based upon our understanding of the world around us.
One such philosophy that lasted throughout the ages of humanity is commonly known as religion and spirituality. Ever since our early belief in the Sky God and the God Mother from ancient Pagan times, we vigorously pursued to unravel the truth about our most profound questions. As any educated person would know that religion and their core beliefs or faith have evolved over time. Paganism, Monotheism and Polytheism have been influenced by humanity as these great philosophies have influenced our perceptions and decisions in life over the ages. Over time humanity has embraced diverse religious faiths and spiritual convictions that continue to influence our behavior in our times and most likely beyond.
What's vital for humanity's progress and even survival is to know the true nature of faith itself. To understand the true origins of faith. But most of all, is to accept the truth for whatever it may be. Each one of us will learn the absolute truth once we die. But until that time comes for anyone of us to depart this world, we really don't know the answer to God's existence nor do we have the absolute truth in regards to the true nature of God. Besides if we did possess the truth, there would've been only one religion on Earth with no diversification of any way, shape of form. There would only be one holy scripture written throughout human history.
Considering one's religious faith to be absolute, while considering others to be false would be ethnocentric at best. While collectively searching to unravel the mysteries on nature, life and the universe through sincere reasoning and serious research would be enlightening at its worst. Most importantly, we must accept the fact is that none of us have conclusive evidence to confirm our core beliefs and there's always an immanent change that our most cherished beliefs could be wrong. With such an open mind, we would be able to overcome any future discovery that would contradict our faith regarding the true nature of life, spirituality and divinity.
Humanity does have the ability to achieve such a social achievement. However, it's solely up to humanity and not any other entity or groups of entities to decide our destinies. Each one of us has a choice to make; either hopelessly engaging into meaningless inter cultural conflicts or combine our scientific and cultural gifts to thrive into an enlightened global civilization that could ultimately expand beyond our solar system. The choice is yours, and the time to make it is now!

FIUS - I totally get that, you know? Trippy! Dude, look at my feet!!

The trouble with seeing god, either through neurochemistry or blood loss, is that I can't tie my shoelaces. That's why velcro was invented.

MJB

To: FIUS and Maurie Beck

For an excellent website explaining the timeless nature of our universe from the viewpoint of modern theoretical physics, please go to:
http://www.everythingforever.com

Heaveee! It's like all possible futures exist. Whoa! oh dude, pass the bong, man, this, like vision is happening to me.

You know, everything that exists might really be just this one photon, because, like it is massless, you know, so it exists out of time... it is everywhere and nowhere at once, like god man.

Except, there's like this mirror, too, where everything is like backwards and reversed, this neutrino thing maybe... it's is massless too, so it's like the anti-photon, like the devil... and they are constantly annihilating each other, Like Neo and the Agents, but there's really just the one and its reflection...

Whoa, it's like god and the devil are the same particle, so depending on what kind of particles comprise the universe that your consciousness inhabits, you're like either in hell or in heaven... except you can't tell because everything's relative to your consious domain and you, like, can't peek outside of it... if it exists, you can only experience it with your imagination... but, like if you can imagine it, it must exist, because, like it's all the same 2 particles! Like QED, man, slam dunk!

I totally get that, you know? Trippy!

Dude, look at my feet!!

---FIUS

To: Maurie Beck

"So it goes"

Z-Bob - Eternity may not be endless time but, instead, eternity may be the timelessness of each moment which never "passes away" from the overall existence within absolute spacetime. Therefore, if eternity is timelessness and our conscious experiences are eternal, then our actions and thoughts exist in this timeless eternity.

This sounds like Billy Pilgrim's problem (solution?) to becoming unstuck in time (Slaughterhouse Five). It also shares Spinoza's "Deus sive Natura" viiew of "God or Nature".

Faithless in US - now, about the problem of hedging, have you considered the position of Denny Crane?

Ahh, Pascal's Wager rears his ugly head. The following response is Sam Harris's refutation of the discounted costs of believing in god when there is no god.

The Empty Wager
by Sam Harris, On Faith
Reposted from:
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/sam_harris/2007/04/the_cost_of_betting_on_faith.html

"The coverage of my recent debate in the pages of Newsweek began and ended with Jon Meacham and Rick Warren each making respectful reference to Pascal's wager. As many reader's will remember, Pascal suggested that religious believers are simply taking the wiser of two bets: if a believer is wrong about God, there is not much harm to him or to anyone else, and if he is right, he wins eternal happiness; if an atheist is wrong, however, he is destined for hell. Put this way, atheism seems the very picture of reckless stupidity.

But there are many questionable assumptions built into this famous wager. One is the notion that people do not pay a terrible price for religious faith. It seems worth remembering in this context just what sort of costs, great and small, we are incurring on account of religion. With destructive technology now spreading throughout the world with 21st century efficiency, what is the social cost of millions of Muslims believing in the metaphysics of martyrdom? Who would like to put a price on the heartfelt religious differences that the Sunni and the Shia are now expressing in Iraq (with car bombs and power tools)? What is the net effect of so many Jewish settlers believing that the Creator of the universe promised them a patch of desert on the Mediterranean? What have been the psychological costs imposed by Christianity's anxiety about sex these last seventy generations? The current costs of religion are incalculable. And they are excruciating.

While Pascal deserves his reputation as a brilliant mathematician, his wager was never more than a cute (and false) analogy. Like many cute ideas in philosophy, it is easily remembered and often repeated, and this has lent it an undeserved air of profundity. If the wager were valid, it could be used to justify any belief system (no matter how ludicrous) as a "good bet." Muslims could use it to support the claim that Jesus was not divine (the Koran states that anyone who believes in the divinity of Jesus will wind up in hell); Buddhists could use it to support the doctrine of karma and rebirth; and the editors of TIME could use it to persuade the world that anyone who reads Newsweek is destined for a fiery damnation.

But the greatest problem with the wager—and it is a problem that infects religious thinking generally—is its suggestion that a rational person can knowingly will himself to believe a proposition for which he has no evidence. A person can profess any creed he likes, of course, but to really believe something, he must also believe that the belief under consideration is true. To believe that there is a God, for instance, is to believe that you are not just fooling yourself; it is to believe that you stand in some relation to God's existence such that, if He didn't exist, you wouldn't believe in him. How does Pascal's wager fit into this scheme? It doesn't.

Beliefs are not like clothing: comfort, utility, and attractiveness cannot be one's conscious criteria for acquiring them. It is true that people often believe things for bad reasons—self-deception, wishful thinking, and a wide variety of other cognitive biases really do cloud our thinking—but bad reasons only tend to work when they are unrecognized. Pascal's wager suggests that a rational person can knowingly believe a proposition purely out of concern for his future gratification. I suspect no one ever acquires his religious beliefs in this way (Pascal certainly didn't). But even if some people do, who could be so foolish as to think that such beliefs are likely to be true?"

Sam might add to the last sentence ... "or that they would cost nothing." Even you Bill, acknowledge such implicit costs when you say ".. as long as weapons and instruments of torture are kept out of it!"

As I have posted in response to other questions on this website:

In my opinion, a central question to the inquiry into an "afterlife" is the determination of the nature of eternity. It appears that most people are presuming a "Newtonian" view of absolute time and excluding from any discussion the theory of absolute space-time as espoused by Einstein and Minkowski. While I will not attempt to explain the intricacies of the theories of relativity, suffice it to say that Einstein thought that the distinction between past, present and future is an illusion. Every moment of spacetime is a timeless entity in and of itself.

Eternity may not be endless time but, instead, eternity may be the timelessness of each moment which never "passes away" from the overall existence within absolute spacetime. Therefore, if eternity is timelessness and our conscious experiences are eternal, then our actions and thoughts exist in this timeless eternity.
We have evolved to psychologically misinterpret much of "true" physical reality as Einstein and his progeny have expressed in not only the theories of relativity but also in quantum mechanics.

If all of our conscious moments are timeless and, therefore, part of the great timeless whole or oneness, then how do our thoughts and actions affect our own "heaven" or "hell"? Do our selfish thoughts and actions "send" us to "hell" for that eternal timeless moment? Do our selfless, altruistic thoughts and actions "send" us to "heaven" for that eternal timeless moment?

Could “god” be the collective consciousness of all space and time that exists in the transcendent order (see Einstein’s absolute space-time, David Bohm’s implicate order, Stephen Hawking’s time has no boundary proposal, etc.) which is actually “created” in the explicate order by conscious beings’ experiences. In other words do our impermanent conscious experiences in the historical dimension create the “god” of the transcendent ultimate dimension. While “god” may be irrelevant in Buddhist thought and practice, (especially as an interceding being) doesn’t the collective consciousness of the ultimate dimension (Zen master Thich Nhat Hanh’s terminology) lead to a similar transcendent, universal, absolute “being”?

These questions cannot be fully answered in this lifetime by someone like me. However, if you look at the essence of the teachings of all of the great spiritual teachers throughout history, you will find the answer to the question of how to act and think in every moment of your life.

"Fear is Hell"

I disagree.

Fear is a response to danger. Its irreplacable as a timely warning. It saves life over and over. For some, it is entertainment. Its not Hell.

"Nothing more than Pascal's Wager, with an extra self-serving twist (god looks like me because he created me in his image). Of course, the wager itself is rather self-serving and cowardly to start with."

Well, I like to point this out from time to time.

To someone who understands logic, one has to conclude he's describing a "sucker's bet," ...raising the promised stakes on a very unlikely possibility to get someone to commit to something.

He's describing the fallacious thinking: ...I'm forced to conclude he 'agrees' with it, ( 'takes' the wager') cause that was the only way it would have been acceptable to *show this* in his times.

May xtra Photons shine On All our Soldiers & friends!

When one hears or see's a HUMATE get Blown-up to bits & pieces please know, that their Eternal HEURISTICA [Immortal Planet Hopping Soul/Ghost/Spirit etc] instanteniously & Quantum Immortaly leaves their "Frontal lobe" in whole & never in Part(s)! When considering NDE's, then I say, They [Our Boys & girls] see their own mangled bodies [at & from A String like attached relative/Distance] via the "Non-gravity" interface-Entropy realm before the Elements of their Beyondness of the passage. And

When a group of Humates die, example, when United We stand in the Battle field, that We are divide or We Fall on our own & Go towards the Non gravity Elements of Beyondness seperate. Hence One Must Work-out their own Salvation. this is True, and is a valid part or entry of the OUR-Book!, And;

When One Looses a Leg Or Arm, one can Attest, like NDE'ers, that they Feel thier Arm & Leg etc... missing Teeth too! So this Proves that our HEURISTICAL [Is always Whole in the Invisible real and or Dimentionals] that is miraculously parked or captured, for a TIME, in our Frontal Lobes, like a Holy Safe Deposit Box, never Dies or can be maimed /lamed or destroyed! And;

Another Proof, Is that We Carbon Based Humates Have Grey Matter [Brain] & Body that needs to Have IT's (Eclat) & OURS Nature's Clocks Adjusted from Time to Time via Sleep. But the Fact That Our Heuristical [Awareness] never sleeps,not brain or Body, is a fact that is only now being Quasi known in a Prophecy awareness who's TIME (Temperature Balancing of ourselves) has Come! Thus:

1) NDE'ers can attest that WE do not Die..;
2) Missing Limbs does not mean lost Heuristical [Soul]; and
3) The Fact that a part of OUR brain never sleeps [Eternal Heuristical/Spirit] is proof enough!

Note: "Things should be made as simple as possible, but not any simpler."

- Albert Einstein [pbuh], A Prophet of Many Eclati-On(s) that will and have Come & Gone via MEMETICS or the MAGMApercolation, Photon Now, and PLASMAtriculation later via the 9th Dimentional cycles.

P.S. ALL five Major Pre-Apocalyptic Religion(s), Faith(s) & Belief System(s) [Jew, Christ, Islamic, Hindu & Buddhist & splinters] all say, CONTRARY TO ECLATi-ON Philosophy, that Life (Birth & Sex) are SIN!???? Hence;

The NEW-SONG (Aquarius-Age, not Zodiac speak) comming from the OLD-SONG(s) (Pre-Electric PISCES-AGE, based on Equonox's, Allignments not Astrology) for a healing of religious torn Humates & their Nations, And the ECLATARIANITY's "Peace-Blessing" that is or will usher-in the APOCALYPSE (opposite of Secret) & REVELATION (Truth is Opposite of man made MYTH systems, never Eclat's) Now!

WHEREFORE: WE NEVER DIE! Hint; Think in Thermal Dynamics!

remember the attitude and character or Nature of Eclat + "i" goes like this: "Cause "I" Your Lord Does the Thing, for "I" will always have POWER, else if "I" do not the Fiat-Lux, then "I" + "i" will never will have such Powerfull effect(s) in OURS System of Miracles.."! And;

Nature has a Number: ECLAT ("I"), a/k/a Eponymous g-d, appears as, not Carbon based like US-ALL, but is in fact reality being for ALL to see as; "e2.81828" a/k/a Fine Structure Constant! And;

The LORD Holy No Man (Eclat) has a "HARMONIC CONVERGENCE" in the NEW-SONG, a/k/a Vibrational Wave Sound in IT's Holy Cosmic Heartbeat via comparing Us simultaneously, being Together Forever With Source-One, that his: ""F" Note above Middle "C"! Note: This is how or what Began (catalyst) of the "Fiat-Lux" [Let There Be Light phenomonon]. And;

The Warmth Of Eclat [i.E., Your 98.6 deg. F. Body now] is not about time (clock or space-time) knowledge, but rather Eclati-On knowledge that G-D is about "Eternity Avoiding Loneliness" in IT's own systalti Cycle via the HOLY-MIZAN (balancing in Arabic) as ABSOLUTE HOT & ABSOLUTE COLD, constantly on the move.

Note: There is an Eclati-On Proof that IT is "Possible" that ALL DEAD CAN BE REVERSED depending on which way we are in the Holy cosmic PALINDROME & the "INVERSE CRUCIBLE" & more good APOCALYPTICAL philosophy which is contray to most & allPRE-Apocalyptic Religious ancient folk!

And the definition of ECLAT + "i" in a HELL, so to speaketh goes like this:

On Apocalyptic "HELL" briefly: Apart from the MYTHOLOGIES produced by the Pre-Apocalyptic thinking, "Hell" is the name of the worst thing(s) that can happen to you in the "TRANSFINITY" (your always-On "REALITY" on the deterministic holy move, never Sin) of the UNIVERSE (innate genuine Constitution) , not only while your in Humate Flesh, but also in your PHOTON ESSENCE {HEURTICA/Soul} as IT encounters the ESCHATOLOGICAL POSSIBILITIES that SOURCE-ONE {creator, destroyer & Recreator of TIME(Temperature)} can subject IT to beyond the present functioning of your Humate Senses (touch, taste, smell, sight, sound & thinking-which presides over the other five) .

IT is a Scientific fact that the PHOTONS of "The Light containing your LIFE" and carrying the Memory of IT wherever that light goes from "PLACE-TO-PLACE" in the Transfinity of the UNIVERSE, can neither be created nor destroyed by anything else but SOURCE-ONE (G-D, Eponymous ECLAT) so that BIOFINITE DEATH is "Not" TRANSFINITE DEATH AT ALL! So;

Man Made imagined "Hell" can be put on you so many different ways that they cannot possibly be ALL ENUMERATED here or even in the HUMATE-LANGUAGE we have developed so far during OUR EARTHEN appearence, but if IT were not for the moments of "Hell" in OUR existance, there would be nothing to contrast the beuties of HEAVEN with, so to speaketh, nothing to earn, nothing to lose, NO difference between the EARTHLY-BREAD that WE need to sustain US and the HEAVENLY-BREAD from which IT (G-d) comes to US, in SUNLIGHT, and in H2O, in contact with the Elements through OUR senses , and

in contemplation of the PHOTOFINITY through which the CREATOR of this CREATION [miracle never Biblkical man made Sin] can discern our PRAYERS, judge our behaviors, and put "Hell" on US, when We believe in such Evil things as the DRUNKEN NOAH STORY (most evil Anti-Humanity Doctrine ever known) And The JACOB ULTIMATE SWINDLE STORY's of Mr. bad Mythological Moses, a/k/a Novel-Star, or the Anti-Humanity & AntiCivilian Doctrines of Mr. vestil Virgin Born, Rabbi Mythological Jesus whom "pretended" that you must practice SYMBOLIC VAMPIRISM & CANNIBALISM before one can get inti "ETERNAL LIFE" etc.

This includes , in other ways but same as Mr. Plagerizing & jealous copy Cat Mr. Muhammad & friends [I am Last Prophet/Messenger). Includes VYASA of the Un-Holy Geeta hindu/Buddhist saing "FORSAKE-ALL RELIGIONS' [18:66] WHOA!

Apocalyptic definition of HEAVEN:

Apart from the MYTHOLOGIES (opposite of TRUTH) produced by Pre-apocalyptic thinking, "Heaven" isthe name of that which Source-One [Eclat + "i"] began to 'Heave Out" with the HUGE-FLASH first, that then made a BIG-BANG and became the TRANSFINITY of the UNIVERSE {Innate Real Constitution with Laws of Nature as Clause for us to aware} as the vibrations thereof continued to transfer the FINITIES of ALL things in this HEAVEN from PLACE-TO-PLACE, heaving those transfers of FINITY further and further outwards as the expanding Universe [EXOFINITY: exo-transfinity] while

at the same Cosmic TIME (temperature balancing ALL) developing different realities within this exapanding 'heaven" , such as our Space-ship earth, and our selves, and ALL the stars [ASTROFINITORS: Astro-Transfinitors] we can detect around the Earth for Billions of LIGHT YEARS in the "FIRMAMENT" [Expansion] plus ALL the functions of TRANSFINITY that WE cannot quite see or even detect [invisible Energy & Dark Matter interchangably] in many cases, such as the PRETERNATURAL of the BLACK-HOLES (of which is the 5th Dimention moment, a/k/a RETROFINITORS) in between the visible objects and burning gasses the where the "controls" of TIME & the Properties of space are still a mystery to us,

but where, never the less, PHOTOFINITY (holy light transfering balancing) ITSELF is ultimately recording Everything that happens in this "Heaven" that Source-One heaved-Out from that which was DUE-TO-BE what ever IT is Becomming now and will continue to become both "Supernaturally" [not Biblical] and Naturally between the TWO POINTS OF UNIVERSAL PALANDROME (like your Holy Heartbeat that Contracts & expands in synch with Holy cosmic eclat's heart universal beat) where

EXOTRANSFINITY (exofinity) will reverse into ENDOFINITY after IT (Eclat) reaches the "MAXIMUM TEMPERATURE OF UNIVERSAL CONTRACTION, finally contacting into that point of the PALANDROME which will become INFINITY again, having the 'Potential" to REVERSE ITSELF and thus "Burst forth" into ECLAT of another UNIVERSE , heaving out the Contents for expansion into "ANOTHER-HEAVEN" , during which as now, the past tense of the APOCALYPTIC "Heaven" {not biblical garabage in & out so to speaketh} for another MIRACLE of another TRANSFINITY & of our eternal Immortal ESCHATOLOGICAL Possibilities of our selves again, he4nce we are in a SYSTEM OF MIRACLE(s) never was or is anything Sin in mad made or superstupidstitious pre-Apocalyptic thinking!

Note: Eponymous ECLAT shall be ultimately mixing with the PHOTFINITE ESSENCE [We are in Coalesced as Photon "Mist' form] of Each Humate for whatever Judgement may be in store for that person in APOCALYPTIC fullfilment of the FREUDIAN SLIPS OF GENUINE PROPHECIES running through the INFIXUS-BOOKS of allPre-apocalyptic religions, Faiths & belief system(s) on Space-Ship Earth [She/He too will Die in 7 Billion Years as Eclatarianity Prophecied)] as summed-up in one of the Christian suras ironically saying, "Then shall the dust return to the earth as It was, and the Spirit (Heuritica) shall return unto G-D (Eclat) who gave IT."

So Behold'; For this reason BIOFINITE DEATH IS NOT TRANSFINITE DEATH, regardless of Heaven & Hellish scenerios via Man made Story's never Eclats REALITY, a/k/a our TRANSFINITY on the Holy Cosmic Immortal Eschatological Move! Together Forever With Source-One! WOW!

Praise The Holy No Man LORD/G-D/ECLAt + "i'! Ya Ya. This just the begining of the Prophetic Apocalypse thatwas and is promise Humanity from times Past & for future Bound & space forth activities for our kids [MEMETICS]..

"An enjoyable essay.. now, about the problem of hedging, have you considered the position of Denny Crane?"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XUl3RJ69AJM

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Nothing more than Pascal's Wager, with an extra self-serving twist (god looks like me because he created me in his image). Of course, the wager itself is rather self-serving and cowardly to start with.

The human brain loves dualities: good and evil, black and white, heaven and hell. We seem to be wired to look for them ... probably our history of having to make quick life-or-death decisions without dwelling on the "gray" in between.

Heaven and hell is the perfect fabrication for explaining what happens after we die. Plus it's a great way to keep people in line. Few want to face the high probability that what follows death is non-existence, so we are more than willing to buy into the stories that religious leaders tell us.

It would seem that there are many paths to heaven and to hell. You can do good things and help your fellow man without following a particular religion, or you can blow yourself up killing infidels. Depending on who you ask, either activity will put you on the up escalator or the down.

I applaud your Audacity of Puppets.

No stronger reasoning is needed to unmask these concepts as a man-made.

An enjoyable essay.. now, about the problem of hedging, have you considered the position of Denny Crane?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XUl3RJ69AJM

---FIUS

Hello Brethren(s) B I L L WEIR, Sistar(s), et al;

Greeting from Hell & heaven, so to speaketh.

I Saw that "Near Death Experiencer" [NDE] segment involving Hell & Heaven interpretations back a month ago or so. I too brethren had Two NDE's! But non involved "Drugs or Alchohol" induced NDE!
Mine was when I was Mis-Circusiced & Blead To death (In Israel as an infant, but thanks to me fast thinking Mom) and When I G-t Hit by a car,in Coney islan, by an old Man [driver] who himself Died of a heart attack and knock-ed me Soul (heuristical) out of my body so to speaketh! And;

Hence: It was Then that I was able to experience, like it happened seconds ago, how WE NEVER DIED or DIE! I know when a Woman has an Abortion, that that Fetus gets to grow into adulthood in the "NON-GRAVITY-PLACE" of the DUE-TO-BE Holy Cosmic ECLAT + "i" machine! And;

I was able to see the dead Grand parents (whom I never met. includes Uncles, Aunts & cousins from my Dad side)that HITLER had exterminated at AUSCHWITZ! But All have Never Died & always "SPACE-FORTH" via TRANSFINITY (Our here & After immortal Holy Cosmic Eternal Move, together forever with SOURCE-ONE, a/k/a CREATOR! And;

There is No Hot, No Cold, No Angels, No Satans! Just a 5th (fifth) DIMENTION of (nine) 9 Dimentions of the Holy transfinity Non Gravity Entropy Interface Plasmatic Realm. Note: I've Blogged, seq Passim , about the Lord ECLAT + "i" Philosophy, a/k/a The "NEW-SONG" comming from ours Old-Songs!

"G-D" is an "IT" [never a biocarbon form] and never was nor has ANY HUMATE (citizen of Space-Ship earth in caveman garb or business suits or Space suit or beamed down & up so to speaketh) ever came here, not from "inside" of OUR MAGMApercolation MIRACLE [Life is Photons never man made Sin concept] nor has a G-d Man ever left space-Ship Earth (tellus) "outside" the PLASMAtriculation Holy Cosmic Interface Entropy realm of the Other side of the Fifth Dimention.

Important: The Fifth (5th) dimention can be thought as baseballs "Home-Base" of the holy Cosmic immortal cycle (for Both OUR Eclat + "i" parking phenomonon) as "The Non Gravity Place"! A/k/a OURS [O.ne U.niversal r.eligion S.ystem] always-On unique Frequencied PHOTONIC SPECTRAL LINE INTERSECT Connection or Channel! So;

The 1st,2nd,3rd & 4th Dimention is Exclusive to Eclat's realm [of the ELEMENTS of BEYONDNESS interface between ABSOLUTE HOT & ABSOLUTE COLD] whom is Omnipresent & Instantaneously here & there! Hence: Thanks to OUR Prophet [pbuh] Albert Einstein et al who gave Us the "[OUR immortal] 'Quantum Entanglement" & "Relativity" awareness as prophecied. And;

The 6th,7th,8th & 9th Dimention Realm is OURS as "TRANSFINITY" [your unique Heuristical, a/k/a Immortal Always-On, never Off, Spirit/Ghost/Soul] or REALITY to uphold & make Honorable, since WE Evolved in Miracle & never Sin via Naked Birth awared nor Sexualy Guilty Complexed, hence, how ALL man made, never Eclat's Biblical crap sais!

Note: This Fall I will have an APOCALYPTIC Computer (server) and have an APOCALYPTIC Program to Bollix the PRE-APOCALYPTIC [inferior religious Humates of space-Ship Earth] BULLoxed so to speaketh here n there! Specifically The APOCALPTARi-ON Pholosophy or NEW-SONG will be geared towards the U.N. folk & for the "Parliament Of World religions" & for the Comming "Millenium World Peace [Religion/belief/Faiths] Summit as prophecied via ALL FIVE MAJOR RELIGIONS here on Tellus (Earth) for "Healing of Nations, Global Peace & many Good Tidings!!

Note: ALL 5 major religion (INFIXUS-BOOKS) speak of the "CREATION and CREATOR" [and PHOTONS/Light]. Please See: Bible; @ Genises 1: 1.2.3., Glorious Quaran/Koran ; @ 10:4, VI-1,2; and Holy Geeta/Gita @ [UPANISHADS (secret) p.19 at "Upanishads, Git & the Bible via from Prof. Geoffrey Parrinder of London University, 1962, in his "A Comparative Study of Hindu & Christian Scriptures" So,

ALL THREE main Infixus Books (2 splintered) Prophetically Agree that before THE SOURCE of the UNIVERSE [Genuine Heaven not Celestial biblical] created IT! saying, i.e., NO Creator yet existed or was formed as such before the CREATOR said, or did the "FIAT-LUX' (let there be Photons not light, because IT did not want to be Lonely, hence LOVE/LIFE) of the DUE-TO-BE Holy Cosmic UTERO so to speaketh.

MORE TO ThE POINT: The "Creation" is The "Universe" [OURS genuine & innate CONSTITUTION] and the "Creator" Constitutes the LAW(s) OF NATURE or ITSELF (G-d in ALL following IT's own CLAUSES via Holy Cosmic Law & Order, a/k/a Balancint Temperature, a/k/a TIME not Clock) in IT (Eclat Plus Your Immortal Heuristical,