The Islam of History

How ironic that today, Islam is perceived by many as reactionary, anti-intellectual, intolerant and violent -- when for much of its history Muslim culture led the world in intellectual achievement, progressive social policy and religious tolerance ... certainly relative to...

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Dear Mr. Morgan,
On page 3 of your book you write: But the Hugenots were driven away or converted by the Royal Edict of Nantes. Many took their textile skills to Ireland, France and Tours stayed predominantly Catholic."
From what little history I know, I think that it was the Edict of Fontainbleau (1685) that drove away the Hugenots, not the Edict of Nantes (1598) - unless you are claiming to have discovered some lost history in this case too.
Chezi Fine

Dear Mr. Morgan,
This is what you write in Lost History (p.17 of the hardcover edition):
"This policy of interfaith tolerance will mark the beginning of a tradition of Muslim coexistence with Christians, Jews, Hindus, and other religions that will endure in many predominantly Muslim places until the 21st century." Aren't you ignorning a lot of recorded history to reach this astounding concusion?
Here is but one URL to click for the treatment of Jews at the hands of Muslims from Muhammad to the 21st century:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/mf15.html#c
Respectfully,
Chezi Fine

Dear Mr.Morgan,
...And what about Islamic Imperialism? (v. Karsh, Efraim's book Islamic Imperialism:A History.) Very many mosques in the Islamic world are built on the sites of holy places torn down by Muslims.I think you are mistaken in your representation of Islam as a peaceloving and benign religion.
Respectfully,
Chezi Fine
Israel

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to Jennifer
The Mayas apparently did have the zero, though their geographic isolation prevented its wider propagation and so confined its impact to a small area in Central America; the Arabs and Persians were able to build it into a larger system that was the foundation of Western, and thus global, mathematics.

If you read my book you will see that I give full credit to the Indians including Brahmagupta for discovering the zero and creating the "Arabic" numeral system. What Al Khwarizmi and colleagues did was to assimilate all that into a higher system that yielded algebra, trigonemetry and algorithms and was the foundation of modern global math.

To Mary Cunningham

If you read my book, you will see that I note the fundamentalist Muslim dynasties and their more severe practices coming into al Andalus from North Africa, the Almoravids and Almohads ... as you say, the influence of the Islamic antiheresy trials could well have influenced the later Catholic Inquisition. So we really aren't in disagreement there.

It's just the conclusion that one draws from it.

As for the Holocaust and Stalin comments ... since people attacking "Islam" manage to roll it into a monolith and focus on the darker pieces at the fringe as representing the whole thing, it's only fair to look at the outrages committed within the borders of Christendom -- or maybe "the West" would have been a better label.

The slaughters by Stalin and Hitler were engineered and undertaken in culturally Christian Eurasia. Not that there weren't a lot of brave resisters and opponents, including those from within churches. But no matter the ideological labels of the perpetrators ... these unprecedented slaughters did not happen in Muslim societies; they happened closer to home. So before we start judging all of "Islamdom" on moral criteria, we need to look in the mirror first.

Asim:

Mr.Morgan,
Among others, it is the absence of enlightened voices like yours in the West that contributes to the present unhealthy tension, especially post 9/11. It is the constructive and objective outlook such as yours-in your article and your new book-and forms such as this excellent forum provided by WP that will help bridge the gap.

Over and above what you said to bridge the gap, it is the removal of accumulated and concrete grievances inflicted by the West on the Muslim peoples that : from the Crusaders,Colonialim, Imperialism, to vulgar western intervention including political, economic as well as the employment of brute military force to subjugate Arab and Muslim peoples, the most recent of which is the invasion, destruction and occupation of Iraq on false pretenses; but just as importantly is the creation on and in the heart of Arab world of a racist mililtaristic,expanisionist,Apartheid jewish theocracy on top of an existing nation of Palestine and to its near destruction and negation.

Arabs and Muslims feel oppressed form within and wihout:an unholy allaince between brutal dictatorships at home and hegemonic intervention and support of dictatorship in the Arab/Muslim world by the west; US and Europe only pay lip service to democracy and human rghits:observe the denial of self-determination to Palestinians for sixty years, for Kashmir's Muslim majority and for Bosnian Muslims who were genocided in the heart of and while "civilized Europe” looked on, yet East Timor was allowed to secede for mother Indonesia-why else except that the former being a Christian community.

How to solve this tension: for the West not intervene in the affairs of the Arab/Muslim World, stop supporting dictatorship in the Arab/Muslim World and stop US vulgar support for the Apartheid jewish state-then "Terrorism" will be no longer.

Mary Cunningham:

Check your historical facts, Mr Morgan!

The notorious Spanish Inquisition executed about 1% of the people it investigated: about 1,000 people. In one sense it was a legacy from the much ballyhooed, falsely exalted Islamic occupation of Spain.

During the 11th and 12th c. Sufist brotherhoods introduced puritanical reformation to Moorish Islam...this led to the institutions of Islamic courts to punish heresy--and also to the introduction of extremely severe methods of torture, used to extract confessions. When the first Catholic Inquisition was set up in Castile, in 1478, it employed, in addition to Roman procedures, well established in some European coutnries, practices already familiar and up and running used in the existing heresy courts of Islamic Spain.

Re: the slaughters of the Holocaust or Stalin’s reign" in Christendom.

Oh Please! The long dissolution of Christendom--however you define it--dates from at least 1500. Nazism and Communism were late Enlightenment creeds-- both atheist, political religions--set up in place of traditional Christianity.

Sanmanio:


Most conflicts around the globe today, Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia, Sudan,Iraq(Sunni's V Shiite's),
are all being conducted by Islamist's, doesn't that tell us something?They all read from the same book, and all try and emulate the life of their prophet who had the mindset of a 5th century warlord.
Whatever contributions claimed by Muslims can usually be traced back to the nations they had invaded and conquered.

The Zero was aound in the Maya tribe in S. America long before 600CE but the theory of zero came from India and was just taken further by the Arabs who have this incredible idea that they invented so much that was previously known in those countries they colonised. However the truth is very different for many inventions that Arab folklore claims.

Mr. Morgan,

As simple as your formula is in response to "ME", it is sadly that type of collective ignorance and hatred in the western world that will preclude anything useful like that to take place and thus we are doomed to repeat the process again, God save us from it.

I would just disagree in what you think the solution is. If you travel to most muslim countries you will see that they are mired in superstition and grave worshipping. All of this is a fundamental anathema to Islam. What started muslims on their journey to greatness was that they got rid of all those things in the beginning. They began to worship God alone. No more superstitions, fortune teller nonsense. You are correct in that the demand that statements and ideas have proof was the birth of the scientific method and muslims who care still follow this today, sadly though there are very few.

But it was a nice article overall.

It will require a serious educational and multimedia campaign that will take a long time and cost money ... but a lot cheaper and less destructive than military action.

me:

So what practical steps will be taken to counter the brain-washing, hatred filled, reactionary "education" going on in the Muslim world for the past 60 plus years?
How do you propose to keep the Taliban thugs from hi-jacking a country, and tearing down 1,000 year old statues of Buddah because they "threaten" their beliefs in some way?

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