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I stumbled on this today just poking around msnbc.com and was intrigued. I don't usually post in these kinds of situations b/c they always seem to dissolve into arguments where neither side really makes a point. So here is my opinion as a "Bible-believer." I wanted to give my point of view on these passages since it was asked, but I won't be replying beyond that b/c like I said these online arguments are really useless.

First off I don't believe this is blasphemous at all. I applaud anyone for reading through the Bible and invite others to join him. I find it interesting to see how non-believers approach the Bible b/c it's different because it's their first time reading it and it often makes me look at passages I've read hundreds of time in a new light. I will also say that I believe that the Bible is completely true and that these thoughts are mine and not to represent all Christians, much less any authoritative priest, minister, etc.

Chapter 1 - Plotz notes one of the most important points here that Joshua is to meditate on the Law and this is important as we will revisit it later. The other thing I'd like to point out is how God constantly reassures Joshua that He will be with him. This is a very important point as well I think.

Chapter 2 - As for God's scare tactic, I don't think that's His goal, but I guess it just comes out of what He has commanded. Plotz's comments on the prostitutes is valid, but I think he overlooks many cases where the women aren't prostitutes such as Sarah, Leah and Miriam just to name a few. I think an important point in this chapter is that the prostitute points towards Israel's God and not Israel. God is about His glory not Israel b/c God is the only one worthy of receiving glory.

Chapter 3&4 - Yeah this is just like crossing the Red Sea except not as big. However, like the Red Sea I think an interesting thing that people look over is that they cross on DRY land. If you've ever walked in a river the ground is very mushy even when the water receeds. God dries it up instantly for an easier crossing. Also God is in their midst as shown by the ark. The ark represented God's presence to the people.

Chapter 5 - This stuff is actually quite important. Circumcision was a sign of God's covenant to Israel. It was also commanded so they do it showing their obedience to God. Israel is following the Law that was given them by God. Later, Joshua's encounter is actually what is considered a theophany (I think that's what it's called), which means that it is an Old Testament revelation of Jesus Christ. This also happens in Daniel when shadrack, meshack and abendigo are thrown in the fire. There are couple of reasons for this. 1) He never says he's an angel, 2) Joshua falls in reverence to Him and He doesn't object (as angels often do when humans offer them reverence), and 3) the ground Joshua stands on becomes holy. One the presence of God himself could make the ground holy b/c only God is holy. We will come back to this point later.

Chapter 6 - God delivers Jericho into their hands in a very odd fashion. I still think it'd be interesting to hear what the Joe Israelites would have said about being told to march around the city for a week to make it's walls fall down. Plotz offers a pretty good view as well. Also note what God tells Joshua that he relates to the people. They shall not keep any of the special stuff for themselves, but it instead should go to God.

Chapter 7 - I believe this is where the controversy comes and honestly, this isn't that tough of a passage, especially compared to many others. Achan clearly has broken the Law. Jewish Law was pretty strick and the punishment was death. If there is any finger pointed it should be pointed at the Giver of the Law and not Joshua. God told Joshua to meditate on the Law. If he did, which is a safe assumption, then he would know this man deserves death. Joshua just fulfils his duty as leader by enforcing the Laws of his people. Joshua is not unfair, he is quite just. For example the judge who through Paris Hilton was considered by many injust when it appeared she was going to go free b/c he didn't fulfil the laws of the US.
So then is God just for setting up death as the penalty. Let's go back to Genesis. When God puts Adam and Eve in Eden He says the punishment for eating the forbidden fruit is death. However, when they eat the fruit they do not die. This is because God is merciful. As I pointed out before God is the only one holy. The Bible is quite clear that all men are sinners and God must punish that sin w/ death. He decreed from the beginning that that's what the punishment for sin was. Such a holy being as God cannot stand sin b/c it takes away from His glory and remember God is all about His glory. When Achan stole from God he was taking away from God's glory. It was basically saying, "Yeah God, I know you provided, but I want some of the glory too."
I disagree with Robertson's and Falwell's view of 9/11, but for anyone to say that God would never do this needs to examine where they get their information about God b/c it's not outside the realm of the God we see in this passage. Anyone who tries to claim that the trails they face in their life is injustice from God is blind to the fact that if God were to bring justice they should be dead.

Seeing these passage should make a "Bible-believer" praise God for how holy He is and His amazing provision for His children. It should also drive them to seek to bring Him glory b/c we can see that that is what He wants.

I'll probably keep up w/ this blog from time to time b/c I liked reading Plotz's comments. But I will stay away from arguments b/c you're not going to convince me you're right and I'm not going to convince you I'm right so I don't really see the point.

JACOB,

What has gotten into you???? Be good to everyone is the belief, not down with everything!

For shame!

JACOB,

What has gotten into you???? Be good to everyone is the belief, not down with everything!

For shame!

BEHOLD:

The "MAITREYA", a/k/a

The "MAHDI", a/k/a The "DELIVERER", is come to clear-away the "GOG and MAGOG" inflictions, of People & all Nations, and is Today, NOW "Revelating" (opposite of secret) the "Riddle(s)s of their Satanic(s) man made and Zero penned, Genuine Holy Cosmic G-d writings, and

therefore, "The-Deliverer" will indeed pull humate-kind, out of the "Bottomless Pit", as once wrongly imagined or told and or died for & taught & or Forced upon our Innate (Modern Morality) "Humanity-Doctrine" & encouraging anti humanity acts, via their Kids by bad parents (or Psychoses stricken) whom are otherwise wise and or good who can't see themselves, yet blinded by the truth & or Reality, in a wholeheartedly fasion, not half hearted, that otherwise should be respecting seperation of "Church & State" etheir stablishments and or Secular Institutions, if any.!

Outlaw or Limit rights to Islamic of U.S.A. Because if a Christian, Jew, Buddha & Hindu goes or lives in Saudi or Iran or Syria et al, your a NON-MUSLIM/Muslum/Muslem "ifidel" and have limited rights in a Islamic Society of Government.

So, It is time to limit theirs, for the actions of the few whom, in fact, they, inclosets, love & wish best afterlife living for them "Jihaddists" Matires, Mohamadian Warriors?

Sorry, but I can definitely live without Mr. Frank Collins!

He is much too hateful!

Mr. ECLATi-ON, how are you tonight?

"Dr Frank C. is beautiful!"

Its boring here without him.

Note This is recycled Material. Thank You friend(s).

AS A M, AS A M, AS A M, et al; You wrote;

"... and most importantly Jerusalem which was built by the Canaanite Arabs long before there ever were jews on earth.. "

Note: In the Dictionary "CANAAN" means "Low-Lands". And "CANAANITES" means "LOW-Lifes"!

Please see that the above blogger, Araan Bat Yam, Isrel, tells you that , what was once probably the largest structure, like a World Trade Center, in All Israel & other areas, tells us that Babylonians [Iraqi's/Persians] Destroyed the "Temple" .. 586 B.C [Wailing Western Wall remains, and now you lazy people want this too for Mecca, Saudi Arabia as reward for Islam, not Palestine, besides Jerusalem City?]

Note: What was the biggest structure, or a wonderment of the World type construction at that time , that Palestianins built????

Remember: Way Way Before Islam existed, that the KABBA in Mecca was and still is the Center of PAGANism & Idol Worshipping for Bedoins, Mohamidians et al]

Even Before your people stole & Murdered US for our, not Islams, Abrahamic Faith and thus Hijacked Abrahamic Faith for a tribal killing Wild People, a/k/ Pre-Islamists & same "WILD PEOPLE" behaviour under Post Islamists????

So, History is ours Jury. You stole our Land [Using Islam is something everyone knows today is NO EXCUSE to take over the WORLD, not just control Jews & their Friends & places of worship & technology's, brains etc.. that JEALOUS PEOPLE like Arabs want because they know 1 lb. of Israeli brain is worth 100 lb. Arab Jihaddist Brains] .

FACT: The Koran Disowned and never mentions the Word "JERUSALEM" so what do you jealous people want? Please do not blame . Do not Blame Do Not Blame others. Your genes are about blaming people because blaming is the way they distract the fact that their intelligence is INFERIOR to others, so war mongering [gene trait behaviours] nature is all you know. To destroy, throw Rocks, smoke Hash, covet your neighbor and play the Blame-Game!

Tell Hamas or if you know any, then kill them before israel kills you for their madness [SINs via "Saudi Arabia" and the "Islamic Elders of Caliph Zionism" and religious Mafioso Copy Cat, Capitalists et al Secret Islamic Conspirators!

i.m on PostGlobal instead of Onfaith. p.S. Dr frank C. is beautiful! Ya Ya,

I agree with many of the other posters noting the lack of Bible believers jumping into these posts providing a rational explanation of the Bible and the God it depicts. This lack of Bible believes is also a problem on other forums that I track related to religion --- it seems the Bible believes (also Koran, etc...) simply can not explain away all the nonsense and brutal stuff in their Holy Books. I for one wish to hear their side of the argument, but they are, as many have noted, no where to be found.

Paganplace - you have a good point: "These are the stories people keep saying entitle them to rule me... Least you can do is... talk about them?"

If they come here at all, I bet they'd find Plotz's telling of the stories blasphemous, or at least disrespectful.

You'd think they'd comment on that, but no. Maybe they're embarrassed.

Please, Bible believers - come and tell us what you think. I'm tired of guessing.

And I include the Bushes, Cheneys, Robertsons and Falwells...

The whole story can easily be read as a piece of irony, where people fake a god ("conversation" with god, haha!) as a legitimation for the most atrocious crimes man can commit.

David Plotz - The implication of the story is that when we steal, cheat, lie, kill, commit adultery—we are not mere sinners or simple criminals. We are Achan, threatening to ruin our families, and our tribe, and our city, and our whole nation.

Perhaps Falwell's diatribe following the September 11, 2001 attacks had its origins in such Biblical proscriptions. Below is what Falwell said to the 700 Club.

"I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen.'" Fellow evangelist Pat Robertson concurred with his sentiment.

One would think that god, being the omnipotent sort, would be a lot more competent in offing abominations, blasphemers, and heretics. However, whenever He acts, there seems to be a lot of collateral damage. Although I'm a lousy shot, even I could dispatch a blasphemer with relative ease. Especially since I'd only have to shoot myself.

Traditionally spelled, 'Oy, vey,' as I understand.

I'm surprised, though, that all the 'theologically-sophisticated' Biblical people who insist their book should rule my life aren't finding conversational material here, though.

*nudge.*

Not so talkative, now, are we? Lack of 'God, Gays, and Guns' issues to relate to, maybe?

Interesting. :)

These are the stories people keep saying entitle them to rule me... Least you can do is... talk about them?

Oye Vay

But is the OT historical? Was Joshua et al real? Not according to 1.5 million Conservative Jews and their rabbis.

http://www.simpletoremember.com/ ...vativeTorah.htm