Bill Marriott, is without a doubt the embodiment of hypocracy. His pontification about his commitment to Truth, Justice and the American way is dribble. He does not believe it. He does not embrace it. He does not live it. The levels in which he will stoop to protect his fortune is heinous. I have nothing personal against the Mormon's, excuse me Latter Day Saints. Yes, that is how they refer and see themselves as Saints. A rather offensive depiction of themselves thought by many. I am familar with the Mountain Meadow Massacre on September 11, 1857. This pogrom was ordered by Brigham Young, the most revered "saint" in the Church of the Latter Day Saints. A cowardly man who ordered the massacre of 140 Arkansa settlers on their way to California. A group that consisted primarliy of women and children. Young order this massacre to protect his kingdom in the west and to continue his (and the other followers to practice their prediliction to their polygamus ways. Young then places the blame on the local plains indiand. A The skulls found had bullet holes in them. The indians had no guns. Cowardly action yes. More fightening is that Utah school books have erased the event from all text. The Church of the LDS revers and worships him. Now what we have is: A religion that revers a man who massaceres women and children in order to sustain his perversions, ie. polygamy and attempts to blame it on the Paiute Indians. I respect the rights of followers of Brigham Young to worship him and to embrace his ideology. However, I would not choose an individual of that "faith" to lead our nation. Rational, moral individuals would not choose an individual for president if they had a picture of Hitler or Idi Amin in their living room. Bill Marriott has his picture in every Marriott Hotel in the world. (The picture is from 30 years ago at least) That is conciet. This Mormon hotel, offers pornographic videos in their pay for view. But don't worry folks, no smoking in any of his hotels. It appears there is ample heat from those pay for view videos. Bill Marriott, that pilar of the community, "Captain America" is in truth an old, twisted, and crooked man who would not knno how to stand up for a principle if his empire depended on it. His father is probally rolling over in his grave. Marriott, the Marriott money and the entire family that financially stand behind Mitt also revere, Brigham Young. Marriott International is Romneys #2 money giver. This man breaks more commandments in a day than most atheltes during the course of their carrer. Bill Marriott must be in neeed of more connections in Washington. Why are the Mormons so secretive? A lot of skeletons in the closet,both literally and figuartively.
MS wrote: "They have no ability to think critically, rationally, or scientifically. A Plato, Aristotle, Kepler, Galileo, Locke, Paine, Jefferson, Franklin, Einstein, or Hawkins will never come from such a religious Empire."
Well then you better turn off your Comp and throw out your TV because Philo T Farnsworth invented the TV and he was a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
Or better yet, http://famousmormons.net/
You may be suprised. There are mormons everywhere. You may even work with some. Who knows, You may even like them without even knowing it!
ms wrote: "They have no ability to think critically, rationally, or scientifically. A Plato, Aristotle, Kepler, Galileo, Locke, Paine, Jefferson, Franklin, Einstein, or Hawkins will never come from such a religious Empire."
Gaby writes:
"übermensch = superman. Doesn't exist except in Hitler's garbled mind!"
Dear Gaby -
Yes, you are correct. That particular smear was thrown my way in this thread. The person who called me that name qute obviously used the term to smear me as a Nazi. It wasn't subtle, and I didn't miss it.
Something Kosher for your eyes unly Mr. Mariott et al.
Hopefully, Paris Hilton likes chicken.
She was sentenced Friday to 45 days at the Century Regional Detention Center, Los Angeles County's jailhouse for women just south of downtown in Lynwood.
Inmates there get three low-sodium meals a day, with dinner the only hot meal. Beef and pork aren't permitted _ "it's all poultry-based," said Capt. Alice Scott, who oversees the 2,200-inmate facility she describes as "a very nice place."
Like other high-profile Los Angeles County inmates _ O.J. Simpson, Robert Blake, Robert Mitchum, Sirhan Sirhan and Charles Manson _ Hilton will be segregated from the general population for her own safety, living in a one- or two-person cell.
Sometimes incarsaration can save ones LIFE. Ya Ya. Praise the Eclati in All. be Well in photon warmth.
"then maybe we would begin to understand eachother and be more tolerant."
When was the last time you saw tolerance in this world? Everybody hates everbody. "We love the Sinner but hate the Sin." What crap!!!
It tranlates into we can't stand what you do but we'll try to forgive you if you repent and become one of us.
That goes for Christians and Muslims alike.
Heck, even just in Christian faith we can't come to just one common denominator
Why?
Because that so-called "word of God" is anything but. It was written for men by men. NOTE: I didn't say women by women.
Everyone translates the "Word of God" into what they want to believe. The Mormons just added a few chapter to suit them.
So what?
People have always been afraid to die and that is why they created the "afterlife" in the image they wanted to see it.
The simple truth is that our "Eclat = Photons = Soul = Universe" is what we are.
If you believe in everything having a soul (energy) then that energy has to go somewhere. In all likelihood it combines with the greater energy.
View it as a magnet that pulls all things together. There won't be individual thought, because there can't be. You will be part of the WHOLE once again.
Anonymous writes:
"reading these blogs truely shows the intolerance that is poisoning our nation. just because you dont believe it or understand something you have to knock it down."
Intolerance, or the result of enlightenment? Except for the USA and the Islamic world, the world is abandoning the fairy tale world of religion at an alarming rate.
As far as "understanding something," name one thing in the world outside of religion that asks man to take it as being truthful and realistic while providing not a shred of evidence to support its claims. What, exactly, is there to "understand" about religion? If its claims are not demonstratably provable on an historic, scientific or rational basis, then what, exactly, is the proof that helps one to understand? At the end of the day, it all comes down to an opinion unsupported by evidence. And in the case of Xianity, it's an opinion with which 2 out of 3 people in the world disagree.
OH JESUS MARIA PLEEZE WHATS GOING ON. HERE WE HAVE A CULT THAT DENEGRATES WOMEN, GAYS AND LESBIANS TO 2ND CLASS STATUS AND THEY THINK THEIR CHURCH IS MAINSTREAM! GET A LIFE!
SOME OF THOSE DUDES THAT RUN THE CHURCH ARE RIPE TO JOIN BARNUM AND BAILEY CIRCUS THEY HAVE OPENINGS FOR HOMOPHOBIC CLOWNS RIGHT NOW! NO WONDER MEMBERS HAVE TO DONATE 10 % OF THEIR INCUM TO THE CHURCH, REMEMBER JOSEPH SMITH AND BRIGHAM YOUNG HAD WELL OVER 100 WIVES IN BETWEEN THEM! OH JESUS IT SHOW US ONCE MORE THAT RELIGION IS THE PROBLEM AND NOT THE ANSWER!
OK BILL NOW I WANT A FREE ROOM FOR 2 WEEKS AT YOUR LAS VEGAS HOTEL PLEEZE????
reading these blogs truely shows the intolerance that is poisoning our nation. just because you dont believe it or understand something you have to knock it down. That goes both ways wether you believe in god or not. wether you are mormon, catholic, athiest or whatever. why do we have to attack someones beliefs. i know a lot of good people who come from all these backgrounds.
it is those people from any of the above named groups or any group creed or religion that have to attack or belittle or twist others words or that have to give their opinion on what others believe that are creating all this hate and intolerance. everyone needs to look inward and fix their own problems and let everyone else to the same.
then maybe we would begin to understand eachother and be more tolerant.
"Peace through Christ, not religion. Religion is satanic, Biblical Christianity is of God."
This is what some people do not understand....people have used God and the bible to pervert things to suite their own needs but that has nothing to do with God. Human beings should be held accountable for their actions instead of denying the existence of God.
People trash Christianity but for all the hoopla they can never tell me what is wrong with Christianity. I had to figure it out myself.....Christianity deals with the essence of humanity that religion had crippled. Now we see science trying to do the same. But the Almighty is in charge and rising people of faith to come out of their hiding place to spread the joy and salvation of the gospel that belongs to all humanity.
katakaha writes:
"Mr. Mark. You are ubermensch? A Randian hereo? Don't need help from no stinking nobody? I do. I need lots of help."
You forgot the umlaut on übermensch.
I need as much help as the next person. The difference between you and me is that I don't look toward an imaginary god for help.
I'm going to assume that you do look toward god for help, and that you sometimes do that exclusive of human help. In a very real way, I admire that - as god is all in your mind, calling on him for help is - in reality - an exercise in SELF HELP. The truth is that you are a more self-reliant person than I...and a more self-reliant person than you give yourself credit for being.
We call upon god for help and guidance, but the turh is that we answer our own prayers.
tj writes:
"Mr. Mark
Why are you so positive there is no God? If you were in a bad accident, in your heart what would you feel? Would you hope that some superior being might be looking out for you?"
Good question.
I would say that the fact that god allowed me to be in the bad accident in the first place would mitigate against my feeling that there was some god watching out for me. ;)
"You call Mr. Marriott a Hypocrite because he provides these things but if he did not you would say he is forcing his religion on you. I think some people just like to find things to complain about."
This is so true.....for some people it is never enough. That's why it is good that people like Mr. Marriot are coming out to tell it like it is with freedom from fear.
This is the same reason why the world is in shambles....because of people and their never ending whining and complaining pointing fingers at others instead of using that same energy and contributing to humanity.
Mr. Mark, In response to your comments by the heartfelt message from Mr. Marriot, you criticize him for not verbally giving his doctors FULL credit for his recovery. Rather his feelings of gratitude went beyond his wonderful medical caregivers and he specifically gave credit to his God for sustaining him through that trial.
You are an atheist and that is certainly YOUR right. I am not making issue with you on that matter - the saying "free to be you and me" comes to mind. However, I am not an atheist, I am a Christian and that is MY right and hopefully you won't make issue with me on MY choice.
From MY point of view as a Christian, I believe all things come from God. Bill Marriot believes that as well. Why his sharing tender feelings regarding what must have been a horrible experience for him must be disected to the degree it has been in this column I do not understand. When any Christian (and yes Mormons believe in Christ and are therefore Christians) who has had a brush with morality as he did, will naturally turn to his creator in thought and gratitude for his having survived the ordeal.
I believe that scientific discoveries for medicine and the skills doctors use for treating illnesses, etc. untimately come from God... because He wants it to be so.
The following is a quote from a book called "Pathways to Perfection" by Thomas S. Monson: "God left the world unfinished for man to work his skill upon. He left the electricity in the cloud, the oil in the earth. He left the rivers unbridged and the forests unfilled and cities unbuilt. God gives to man the challenge of raw materials, not the ease of finished things. He leaves the pictures unpainted and the music unsung and the problems unsolved that man might know the joys and glories of creation."
Again I say, I believe that scientific discoveries
for medicine and the skills doctors use for treating you and me ultimately comes from God because He wants it to be so.
I wish you only good things Mr. Mark and any others who might have a different view than I do.
NO! I am not "... a Follower of the "Cult?" of Dr. Harry THERIAULT or from his "Church of the New Song" via Eclararian movement, etc.. NO!
I only respect my "Elders" when IT(your g-d Eclati) comes to "Shiloh" (The Photon Bringer not so much light) the one HUMATE, today who has had a DISSPENSATION of the "MELCHIZEDIK-PEACE-BLESSING" that will usher Humate-Kind a World PEACE & healing of Nations & more.
And, hence; "The WAR BLESSING is now ANNULED according to "Shiloh" in his book "The Book Of TRANSFITY".
I Went to MARIST COLLEGE and if you are Familiar with "THE BIG BROTHERS" [not like KNIGHTs of the HOSPITALis] and so I;m attaching a link for your Heuristic tase bud(s) so to speak.
Then after you visit, tell me what you thinketh? O.K.!? Enjoy ypur Photo Finite Essence Mist NOW!
[Please see: Page 3 & 9 at, Nothing moves World more than refreshing thoughts.."]
And for some great COURT CASES [Federal & State] please SEE:
Rudolf Giulani, as a Prosecutor in NYC, at: Theriault Vs. Quinlan, 609 F. Supp, 733 (S.D.N.Y., 1985, may.) AND;
Former FBI & CIA Director at; Remmer Vs. Brewer, 494 F.2d 1277 (1974) et seq. AND;
SHILOH PREVAILS for ECLATi minded and hungry Asperants for IT (reality) in;
Loney Vs. Scurr, 494, F.Supp 928 (1980) AND;
Loney Vs. Scurr, 474 F.supp, 1186 (1979) et seq.
You Can go to an online "Law Library" like findlaw.com et al.
please get back to me after you research and do not listen to the lealous folk on these blogs, O.K.? SHOLOM and Let There Be Photons in Gridarion Democracy & Beyond for ALL. Always. : + )/ Ya Ya Mons a Mono's friend(s) et al.
And not a Man or Women that is IN your Me ME that is in turn "The Great Holy Cosmic Heart Beat, of which we Cosmically inhereited, via Eclati your "G-d of Photons", and since WE are PHOTONS then we are G-d(s) right? a/k/a ECLATi-On(s).
Note: Light as we knew back in ancient days of lores & of their manmade Epochs, Zero G-dly, is NOT the SAME as the PHOTONS of Today! Am I Right?
Explaination: Dead Dinosaurs [and OUR(s) Ancestry included] & Trees etc, are now in the form of "Stored Energy" {hence "E" (you) can never be created nor destroyed] a/k/a PETROLIUM (Historic Energy captured by things that are Photons in Themselves) and also known as Fossils.
Wherefore: In Miracle (Zero Sin) We are Naturally "BAPTISED" and We are Naturally "Pre-Confirmed & What we do HERE NOW, we are to answer to the Heuristics of ourselves in the "Non-Gravity Place"
a/k/a The DUE-TO-BE [5th Dimesional Place] wher there is another miracle in storeage for your selves via Photonic frequency Spectrum between the realm of Source One and OURS Eclati's.
G-d lives or exists exclusively {unknown to us now in this heuristic light form] in the 4th, 3rd, 2nd & 1st. Dimension at the otherside of the Non gravity Place called the 5th Dimensionals otherside. AND;
We ECLATi-On(s), exist now (between the MAGMA & PLASMA Frequency interfaces, as Time= your Temperature (98.6 deg. F. as a 95 Watt's worth of Heat "E"nergy) in OUR(s) System of Miracle via the great Vibrational Harmonic Cosmic hEART bEAT THAT wE ARE all A, inescapable, Photonic Materialized part(s) of IT (G-d) a/k/a ITSELF (It) G-d thing in stuff & Photon)) SO;
WE live and appear, in miracle again, in the 4th,3rd,2nd, & 1st Dimension, right before the 5th Dimentional frequency non gravity Place on the opposite side of IT (G-d) as we appear in form of ITSELF NOW & Forever via "Eclati's DUE-TO-BE" "Holy Cosmic Machine".! Wow!
WE and O.U.R.(s), are ALL in on this miracle thing or happening T.O.G.E.T.H.E.R! A/K/A unitited WE STAND diVIDED your Eclati falls.
Each has a unique frequency of ones Eclati-On photon mist(s).
Ya Ya. : + )' Show Me Where is the Sin in Being Born from the MAGMA and going toward [never back, your body & Posterity is left back, but never your Heuristical Specialized unique frequencized photinic self.]?
Do you know what I'm saying? Please feel free to ask about your Miracle in and of ypurs and O.U.R.S. ECLATI thing.
You might as well give up any TV you may have then as well, since today's modern TV sets are what have evolved from a TV invented by a Mormon.
So, now that you have that tip, does that mean you've watched your favorite movie or TV show for that last time now???
And for those who find Marriott HYPOCRITICAL for allowing alcohol, smoking, and pornography to be accessible in his hotels, I've got another 'H' word for you all. It's HOSPITALITY! Just because he makes those things accessible for guests doesn't mean he subscribes to any of that stuff himself. You have your choices when you are there. You can open up the drawer and pull out the Bible or Book of Mormon and have a good read to kill time. If so much of our society weren't so dependent having access to alcohol, smoking, and/or pornography to have a good time, then I don't think Marriott would have that stuff available in his hotels.
Why criticize Marriott for being hospitable?? Isn't he just patterning his business like any good American hospitality business by giving you the luxury and accomodations, not only in the rooms themselves, but in choice of how you may spend your leisure time?
Marriott understands that to have the success he's had, he has to be accomodating and hospitable to as many people as he can, and unfortunately that means continuing to allow people the choice and ability to engage in smoking, drinking, or watching porn in their rooms.
I think we all know that if he didn't do that, he would not have such a successful and hospitable hotel chain if any. We all know that you would then be criticizing him for not being hospitable and for trying to be too controlling in limiting the abilities and choices of his guests.
So, with that being true, I ask to all who have criticized Marriott here, why the fault finding? What is it about finding fault in others, whether it be their religion or other facet of their lives that gives you so much pleasure? Does it make you feel empowered in some way? Please...give me some answers here. Thanks!
Mr. Marriott, I hope your recovery was complete and that you do not carry too many scares or suffer from residual pain. What an awful accident but you turned it into a positive experience and this is something we can all learn from. It deepened your love for life and your love of Christ. It seems that your faith kept you from blaming God, feeling bitter, feeling sorry for yourself and asking "why me Lord" and that is a really good testament to the Mormon faith. My personal belief is that the Mormon doctrine is flawed but who am I to judge an organization that produces such positive results. We both share a belief in the divinity of Christ and that is the the substance of life.
((((((((((((( Peace-Love-Rock and ROMNEY! )))))))))))
Remember: To meditate. is to "Listen" to OURs ECLAT "i", And to Pray to YOUs Own-Eclati, is to "Speak" to the Fearless & Unjealous Your True and genuine Lord God [never never in form of Humate-Kind (a Man or Women form imagined or not)).
Wherefore: YOU ARE G-D and the ECLAT [Your specialized Eternal immortal "HEURISTICAL Brillance bursting Forth a/k/a Spaceing Forth via The Balances of Absolute HOT & COLD and your balance between the MAGMA & OUR PLASMA in Miracle Awarenes & know that WE NEVER WAS BORN IN SIN and that life is MIRACLE & Thus, WE NEVER can DIE!
Our Eclati & OUR Eclati-on's can never be created nor destroyed!
Think of your ESCHETOLOGICAL POSSIBILITIES in your appearing "Heuristicaly" as your "Miracle Awareness" being in "THE SYSTEM(s) of MIRACLE(s).
Yes, Praise God Almighty! And "SHILOH" is NOW O.U.R. Sholom on beautiful Momma Poppa "Space-Ship" Tellus [Earth] in this "New-Song" of OUR current AQUARIUS-AGE.
IT (your "i" is g-d stuff) is like you being a Butterfly NOW, thus in OURs, and Evolving from and away from that "Old-Song" "Heuristicaly" from OUR(s) Ancesters ["i" Me Me] that was the PISCES-AGE and like being a Caterpillar that is left behind, as a testamount and witness to each other.
WE exist in and of ECLATi's "Eternity Avoiding Lonliness" machine, so to speaketh, through US and via ALL things or Stuff, Known and Unknown, here, there & Beyond OUR(s) PHOTO FINITE Essences.
There is LIFE IN LIGHT/Photons!
Hence We Never Die because, Where Photons (like your industructable all knowing Heuristic [spirit mist like] have never seen or been in light, then there is NO-LIFE without Light!
Vote: O.U.R.S. NOW and for Gridarian Democracy at a precent near YOU, my ECLATi-On Cyber Friend(s) et al!!
((((((((((((( Peace-Love-Rock and ROMNEY! )))))))))))
Mr. Mark. You are ubermensch? A Randian hereo? Don't need help from no stinking nobody? I do. I need lots of help. I guess I just suck. I'm sure I suck much worse than Mr. Marriott.
Speaking of Marriott, a family member temped at their corporate headquarters in DC (or Rockville, I forget) for a few weeks. She said it was the kindest, nicest corporate culture she had ever seen. She's never seen anything like it before or since. I don't know if this is Bill Marriott's doing, but if it is, it speaks well of him.
Religion is never an impediment to thinking as long as you don't think out loud. Look how Galileo was persecuted to his death while under house arrest during the last 15 years of his life. Most religions enforce leaving your conscience at the church door as you enter the cage of vile beasts. Look at what the church of Satan did to the reformers in the 15th and 16th century. Also reflect on why the saints of God such as the Waldenses, Albigenses, French Huegonots and the Anabaptists were persecuted by the state churches not for their thinking, but for their standing up for the word of God. William Tyndale was murdered by strangulation for printing the word of God in English and not in the Latin monster tongue. Anyone that thinks religion is a good thing and expressive of freedom of thought hasn't read any history. I would encourage reading about the Crusades, the Inquisition, the persecution of the Jews during WW11, the murder of the Serbs by the religious Croatians etc. The only reasons we are not seeing religion kill again is because the Roman church is being held back by God or it would go back to its murderous ways. There are those that will join in with the Islamic faith, but it too was persecuted by the infidels during the Crusades!
Religion is not of God but of the devil. Read Matthew chapter 13 where Jesus Christ tells us where the Pharisees come from and the religion that murdered the Holy One of Israel, the Son of God, the Son of Man who is one with the Father and is the express image of God and is God.
Peace through Christ, not religion. Religion is satanic, Biblical Christianity is of God.
kA sa hae! tee kae! : + )/ yA yA Mons. Eeee Haaaa Praise the Fearless and Unjealous Holy No Mon Eclati! Life is deafinately a miricle.
"Good Thoughts, Good Words, Good Deeds"
-Ahura MAZDA the Zoroastrian(s).
S H O L O m in "SHILOH" The PHOTON/LIGHT BRINGER to usher in the mucg needed World Faith Exchange via O.U.R.s [One Universal Religion System] coming-out-of And from ALL of the 5 major pre-Apocalyptic Faith systems of today,
VIA the U.N. mandated international "FAITH-EXCHANGING" and by the international "PEOPLES-EXCHANGE" and simultaneously create, for "HUMATE-KIND," A "ONE-BIBLE" that contains only the "VALID" Heuristics of their sentences, and thus sewn into [OURs] their NEW HOLY BOOK in Equality for ALL HUMATES & for Other Creature Forms where ever they may be.
Therefore: "Gridarion Democracy" is the Goal for ALL, Every and Any frontal lobe Possesing creature(s) "NOW," here on Space-Ship Momma Poppa Earth & Beyond.
BEHOLD: The "Light Bringer" have come to usher in a "NEW-AGE" of FAITH-EXCHANGING, World Peace, Healing of Nations & Individuals & More.
VOTE For: "O.U.R.s" Party And for G.r.i.d.a.r.i.o.n. *** D.e.m.o.c.r.a.c.y! Ya Ya, "Only In AMERICA!"
Praise the great Cosmic Holy Eterbal Heart Beat within and whithout OUR MIRACLE Photonic Mists!
ms wrote: "They have no ability to think critically, rationally, or scientifically. A Plato, Aristotle, Kepler, Galileo, Locke, Paine, Jefferson, Franklin, Einstein, or Hawkins will never come from such a religious Empire."
How about Henry Eyring, the theoretical chemist? I came across the Eyring equation in a textbook once. Apparently, it's a big deal. If you don't like theoreticians, there was Philo T. Farnsworth, inventor of electronic television. Wikipedia has a brief biographies of both these guys. There are plenty of Mormon scientists and scholars. They can't drink beer, but they are free to disregard your stereotype.
On a wider note, you will recall that it was Catholic monks that transmitted the learning of the Platos and Aristotles of antiquity to the Keplers and Galileos later on. Kepler was Lutheran. Copernicus and Mendel were both Catholic priests. Thomas Aquinas was a fantastic thinker, no one disputes that. Religion is not an impediment to thinking. It may be to some, but it is not generally the case, at least as far as I have seen. I can see how it could contribute to some becoming intellectually lazy, but this is not generally the case.
In response to MS regarding Mormons and “…that their beliefs (like many other religions) are full of non-sense. They have no ability to think critically, rationally, or scientifically. A Plato, Aristotle, Kepler, Galileo, Locke, Paine, Jefferson, Franklin, Einstein, or Hawkins will never come from such a religious Empire."
I find this statement both condescending and insulting. Many of LDS members are scientists, engineers, college professors and even Deans at Harvard University (Although that might not qualify because it is a religious institution), some have even taught at MIT. They must have some achieved amount of critical thinking, I hope.
I have studied philosophy and earned a degree in political science and psychology. I am also a women and LDS. While I am unmarried, I do not feel that if I were to marry, that I am expected to be subservient to any man by my religion. My two sisters also have bachelors; one is currently pursuing her graduate degree, the other works in television. She is married and has two children. Her husband fully supports her in her career. He is a mechanical engineer. My mother and six of her sisters all have bachelors and master's degrees and are married. One of my aunts earned a master's degree in mathematics and worked, as a computer scientist for Bell Labs, another is a CPA and works for a large company. We are neither subservient women nor without intelligence. If you werer to ask most Mormon men if they believe their wives are ignorant or subservient. I believe that most would say no, they are partners. A person's belief in something greater than him or herself is not a weakness, nor a sign of a weak mind.
Our doctrine teaches that all truth comes from God and that ALL religions and philosophies teach truth. I respect your right to express your opinion. However, it is incorrect and I feel compelled to express mine. "Search others for their virtues, thyself for thy vices." (Benjamin Franklin)
Wow, it still amazes me when the lack of tolerance in all forms rears its ugly head. From the stoning of non-believers to the outright bigotry afforded to those of faith or non-faith.
Mr. Marriott wrote about the way that his faith played in his life. In no way did he say that those who don't believe the same thing he does are wrong. He may very well believe that but I will leave that up to him.
As an atheist who grew up a catholic, I do not share his same beliefs however I wholeheartedly support his right to have them. I am not going to claim he is wrong and tell him that he needs to acknowledge that there is or is not a god of his choosing.
I personally could care less if he believes in a rock or a pony or a floating head in the sky. I don't pretend to know whom or what created this ball of fun we are floating on and I personally don't see how anyone else can until they expire. At that time we may or may not find out but if Mr. Marriott or anyone else or that matter has a faith in anything then I may not agree with them but they have as much right as anyone else to have those beliefs.
Mr. Marriott's story does not have to be inspirational to all. It may be just that to others, a story and who doesn't like to have a view into what makes others tick?
So go on with your bad self Mr. M. and you believe what you believe and I'll do the same and perhaps we could all do the same without holding judgment.
Mr. Mark
Why are you so positive there is no God? If you were in a bad accident, in your heart what would you feel? Would you hope that some superior being might be looking out for you?
Thank you for you posting. I hope you will disregard those who are negative with their posts. I appreciated what you said and know where you are coming from. You have been truly blessed and may God continue to bless you and yours.
anyway can any of ya'll answer some quick questions for me..
1.) why can't I have more than one* wife?
2.) if I belong to a group of individuals like the Mormons and they respect me and treat me good while we enjoy worshipping Christ the Messiah, then why would that be terrible?
3.) how many Mormons does it take to elect a President??
4.) why can't we all spend more time praising Christ the Messiah instead of bickering over who does it better?
5.) oh and why don't Church of Christ listen to music?? King David danced so hard his clothes fell off, I personally couldn't dance that hard, but so what??
6.) why are Mormons any diffrent than all the other sects of Christianity lead be 'Elders' that believe their Dogma is more holy?
me personally I think that we should focus more on the actual TEACHING of CHRIST than the MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY approach
If I'm way off base with these assumptions and questions then please let me know, I just know I read the WORD and take it on FAITH, if there is a better SYSTEM out there then Let me know!!
*that is assuming I could even consider having more than one woman in my life who is willing to love me!! KING SOLOMON ANYONE???
To HK: the fact that EVERY hotel room in the Mariott chain has the Book Of Mormon in the nightstand wasn't a hint?
Once again I offer that the problem with Mormonism isn't their religious traditions, it is the fact that they OSTRACIZE any non- mormons when they are the majority cultural influence in the community. Also, it has been recogized since J.Edgaqr Hoover, that Mormons make up a disproportiate munber of CIA and FBI agents. The reason, is that they believe in unbliding authority- without question. This is a big problem for me coming out of the Bush administrations crinyism and questioning of anyone's patriotism if they don't unwaveringly support the administration's actions. I have had it with authoritarianism, even dressed up in a nice suit with good hair.
Your comment and point has already been posted and made. And your insinuation loud and clear. Please don't think you can crawfish now.
I must have struck a nerve. For that I apologize. But thank you for confirming what I have already stated about your contempt and the emptiness of your life’s center. Perhaps that is the root of your anger and issues toward the God who gives you life. Maybe you blame him. I don't know. I am not you.
As for your two children: What a blessing they must be.
If you are trying to impress anyone with your experience in seeing what is in a child’s eyes... with four of my own, as well as two grandchildren and a third on the way. I am not the best audience to start with. And I am certain, Mr. Marriott, given his age and the many more yet still that he has had a part in bringing into mortality, is not the best audience either.
If you truly want to expand your ability to see and understand what happiness is all about, and strengthen the foundation of the center of your life, (you already pointed out how fragile it is in your previous post) stop relying on just yourself. It is such a selfish, egotistical approach. Not to mention insanely limiting.
hey, I know all ya'll are wrapped up in Mormon vs Mainstream Christianity, but seriously does anyone else have any idea what that ECLATi thing is about, I have read alot about Mormonism, and respectfuly I choose to decline on the subject..I think that as long as 'people' are willing to fight over ideals that they themselves didn't write or even consider to be written by their own Prophets (the Jews towards their own, Christians of diffrent cultural influences, the sects of Islam, Mormons also towards eachother) that veiws will always be skewed..No one can 'change' someone's veiws, only God can, so let's just say 'Love thy Neighbor'...well unless they steal your lawn equipment...that stuff is the important thing be a person of servitude not attitude!!!
LOve all you guys and women see ya'll hasta mannana..
"People who contribute to the advancement of humanity surely need credit but by no means should they be worshipped as Gods on earth because they are not all knowing. If that were the case the world would be a totally different place today."
I'd ask you to open your mind.
No one is asking anyone to worship humans. I don't worship humans. I am simply asking: why can't humans be acknowledged for the incredible things they do? What is it with people like you that you take man's greatest accomplishments and flippantly assign their achievements to a god?
Hell, if you were a deist, you'd be able to believe in god AND you would also believe that every single thing that happens on this earth with man's involvement is the product of man's involvement, because a deist believes in a dispassionate god who has no interest in the goings on of this world.
My question to you is this: why worship god(s) at all? The god of the Bible is NOT all-knowing. He is NOT all-powerful. His is NOT all-prescient. The Bible itself proves this to be true (I leave it to you to find the appropriate verses). By his OWN standrads, the Biblical god is not worthy of worship!
As far as your saying that, "God is the unseen life force and it is universal as nature is universal." Well, you are now redefining god from the Biblical definition, aren't you? My "attacks" are upon the Biblical god, not upon some unseen life force. If you want to say that physics or mathematics or photsynthesis are "god," then I'm OK with that definition. But I thought we were discussing god in the context of the Abrahamic religions, and THAT god looks like us, thinks like us and makes mistakes, just like us.
In closing, you write: "Science on the other hand can and it is dominated by particular elite who tell the rest of so-called fools what to think, feel and what’s good for them."
You know, I'd pay real money if you would act as a man of your word on this issue - sell your car, your computer, your TV and turn off your electric lights. Give up on the health of the food chain and eat untested food from the wild fields. But please, PLEASE quit your damn whining about an elite that doesn't care for you fools! If you insist on biting the hand that feeds you, than at least have the courage to admit your hypocrisy...or to act on your convictions.
I, for one, say, thank GOD for those scientific elites! I'm one fool who is more than happy to enjoy the advances they have provided to ALL humanity, fools and freethinkers alike.
The world NEEDS elites, my friend. Elites are certainly in short supply in all fields of endeavor. Perhaps you would do well to spend a few minutes a day contemplating how much those elites have improved YOUR life before you damn them with your all-too-familiar whining.
Far from "humiliating me" in this blog, you make my point. Thank you.
Indeed, my quote of Mr Marriott included his words "helped me", and that was the point. As a father with two children, I can't imagine that I would need ANY outside help to "help me make my family the center of my affection." My post in no way implies that Mr Marriott's faith is the ONLY thing that helped him find his affection. Those are YOUR words twisting mine, not mine twisting Mr Marriott's. Perhaps YOU need to go back and reread my post, Sunprince. You'll see absolutely nothing in it that even suggests the condition of "only."
As far as misquoting Mr Marriott - my comments were direct cut-n-pastes. There was absolutely no misquoting of any kind.
What I found disheartening is his statement that his affection for his family needed a boost from some external source.
I would gently suggest to Mr Marriott - and to you, for that matter - that you need look no further than into your children's eyes to experience overwhelming affection for them, and that if you can't feel that all-encompassing affection from the simple act of looking in their eyes, that no amount of "help" from an imaginary being is going to get you there.
As far as atheists not being happy/child of god BS: cut the crap. You're living a delusion. There is no "him (god)" to "throw away your issues against." Knowing that fact as a fact is - in fact - a GREAT source of happiness for me. There's no god - rejoice with exceeding great joy! Too bad you're not in on the happiness, for it is a much more organic and spiritual happiness than religion ever was or could be, at least for me.
In closing - science need not acknowledge religion. There is more mystery and wonder in than natural world than the religionist can imagine. Why should science lower itself to the level of religious poppycock and delusion? Why should science assign its discoveries to a third party that had nothing to do with making those discoveries? Science may as well acknowledge the New York Mets as being involved in its discoveries as god. God had no hand in those discoveries. Why give him credit?
Science moves forward while religion sputters in its Bronze Aged-idiocies.
As far as religion not discounting science : maybe you missed last night's Republic debate. Maybe you've never heard of the Discovery Institute or creationists.
"Mitt Romney apparently believes Joseph Smith found some gold tablets from God in the forest, and that Mr. Smith then conveniently lost the tablets. The alleged tablets claim (among other extremely unlikely claims)that the US was founded by Israelites! Why do people believe this sort of thing?"
That is a good question Neil. Perhaps you should find out if this is even accurate.
For starters:
1: Joseph Smith never claimed to "find some gold tablets in the forest" NEVER!!
2: He also never claimed to lose them. NEVER!!
3: The tablets you are referring to are presumably the plates from which The Book of Mormon was translated. And it has never, does not now and never will claim that the US was founded by Israilites. NEVER!!
If you want to know the truth from first hand source, may I suggest you read it yourself. It will help to get your facts straight before making allegations.
Don't you just hate it when someone gives you wrong or bad information? It makes you feel foolish doesn't it for perpetuating false, wrong and inaccuate information? Because then people have no doubts about how much you don't really know or understand. It just seems to shoot a big hole in your credibility.
The only way I have learned to solve this unending problem that seems to keep growing like a bad rumor is to kill it at the source, and find out from first hand information. That would be a start.
"Let's face it, your comment is just religious-speak and a poor excuse."
Here we go again....accusing me of religious speak. Faith and religion are two different things in case you didn't know. My faith is not connected to a particular religious denomination. Mr. M has the right to come out and speak about his religious beliefs because it is his first amendment right....in no way is he forcing you to accept his way of thinking. You attack him personally because he did not give credit to something you wanted your way which is a selfish position.
the power of some imaginary being?” does science not come from human imagination and curiosity, wanting to know how and why? God is the unseen life force and it is universal as nature is universal. No one person or group has a monopoly over it; it can not be manipulated to suite a particular political agenda. Science on the other hand can and it is dominated by particular elite who tell the rest of so-called fools what to think, feel and what’s good for them.
You can give credit to mortal souls who are here today and gone tomorrow but one thing is for sure the world will continue without them long after they are gone and forgotten. People who contribute to the advancement of humanity surely need credit but by no means should they be worshipped as Gods on earth because they are not all knowing. If that were the case the world would be a totally different place today. You have the right to do so but you can not accept others do bow down to your will because you feel like it.
Don't know about Mr. Marriott, Jr, but back in 1958 I worked briefly for Marriott's Hot Shoppes as a car hop. They paid me forty cents and hour, tips and tips amounted to about another forty cents an hour. Overtime was mandatory, and you didn't get paid at all for that. One day at quitting time, my boss, who was giving Mr. Marriott, Sr. a tour of the shop, told me I had to work free overtime till something or other was cleaned up. I changed out of my uniform, and as I was about to leave, the boss, with Mr. Marriott, Sr. beside him, told me to get back into the kitchen. My response was mildly unprintable, and I left, never to car hop again, and certainly never to stay in a Marriott hotel or to say a kind word about the organization. I find it hard to relate the kind of exploitation I experienced in Marriott's clutches with goodness of anything good or uplifting.
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August 21, 2007 8:40 AM | Report Offensive Comments
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August 21, 2007 8:39 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on August 21, 2007 08:39
Bill Marriott, is without a doubt the embodiment of hypocracy. His pontification about his commitment to Truth, Justice and the American way is dribble. He does not believe it. He does not embrace it. He does not live it. The levels in which he will stoop to protect his fortune is heinous. I have nothing personal against the Mormon's, excuse me Latter Day Saints. Yes, that is how they refer and see themselves as Saints. A rather offensive depiction of themselves thought by many. I am familar with the Mountain Meadow Massacre on September 11, 1857. This pogrom was ordered by Brigham Young, the most revered "saint" in the Church of the Latter Day Saints. A cowardly man who ordered the massacre of 140 Arkansa settlers on their way to California. A group that consisted primarliy of women and children. Young order this massacre to protect his kingdom in the west and to continue his (and the other followers to practice their prediliction to their polygamus ways. Young then places the blame on the local plains indiand. A The skulls found had bullet holes in them. The indians had no guns. Cowardly action yes. More fightening is that Utah school books have erased the event from all text. The Church of the LDS revers and worships him. Now what we have is: A religion that revers a man who massaceres women and children in order to sustain his perversions, ie. polygamy and attempts to blame it on the Paiute Indians. I respect the rights of followers of Brigham Young to worship him and to embrace his ideology. However, I would not choose an individual of that "faith" to lead our nation. Rational, moral individuals would not choose an individual for president if they had a picture of Hitler or Idi Amin in their living room. Bill Marriott has his picture in every Marriott Hotel in the world. (The picture is from 30 years ago at least) That is conciet. This Mormon hotel, offers pornographic videos in their pay for view. But don't worry folks, no smoking in any of his hotels. It appears there is ample heat from those pay for view videos. Bill Marriott, that pilar of the community, "Captain America" is in truth an old, twisted, and crooked man who would not knno how to stand up for a principle if his empire depended on it. His father is probally rolling over in his grave. Marriott, the Marriott money and the entire family that financially stand behind Mitt also revere, Brigham Young. Marriott International is Romneys #2 money giver. This man breaks more commandments in a day than most atheltes during the course of their carrer. Bill Marriott must be in neeed of more connections in Washington. Why are the Mormons so secretive? A lot of skeletons in the closet,both literally and figuartively.
June 27, 2007 4:57 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 27, 2007 16:57
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June 27, 2007 2:46 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 27, 2007 02:46
MS wrote: "They have no ability to think critically, rationally, or scientifically. A Plato, Aristotle, Kepler, Galileo, Locke, Paine, Jefferson, Franklin, Einstein, or Hawkins will never come from such a religious Empire."
Well then you better turn off your Comp and throw out your TV because Philo T Farnsworth invented the TV and he was a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
May 7, 2007 9:42 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 7, 2007 09:42
When you get what you want in your struggle for SELF...not pelf
Sorry!
May 5, 2007 11:55 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 5, 2007 23:55
By the way, that poem is for both male and FEMALE..some say they can be cattier than any man alive.
One wonders?!?!
May 5, 2007 11:24 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 5, 2007 23:24
Yes, Mr. Mark, that be the faithful for you!
If every human would look into their soul before they spoke, maybe much hatred could be diverted.
There is a poem that I like very much:
The Guy in the Glass
by Dale Wimbrow, (c) 1934
When you get what you want in your struggle for pelf,
And the world makes you King for a day,
Then go to the mirror and look at yourself,
And see what that guy has to say.
For it isn't your Father, or Mother, or Wife,
Who judgement upon you must pass.
The feller whose verdict counts most in your life
Is the guy staring back from the glass.
He's the feller to please, never mind all the rest,
For he's with you clear up to the end,
And you've passed your most dangerous, difficult test
If the guy in the glass is your friend.
You may be like Jack Horner and "chisel" a plum,
And think you're a wonderful guy,
But the man in the glass says you're only a bum
If you can't look him straight in the eye.
You can fool the whole world down the pathway of years,
And get pats on the back as you pass,
But your final reward will be heartaches and tears
If you've cheated the guy in the glass.
May 5, 2007 11:18 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 5, 2007 23:18
Or better yet,
http://famousmormons.net/
You may be suprised. There are mormons everywhere. You may even work with some. Who knows, You may even like them without even knowing it!
May 5, 2007 10:37 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 5, 2007 22:37
ms wrote: "They have no ability to think critically, rationally, or scientifically. A Plato, Aristotle, Kepler, Galileo, Locke, Paine, Jefferson, Franklin, Einstein, or Hawkins will never come from such a religious Empire."
You don't think so?
Stephen R. Covey
Chairman, Franklin Covey Company
J. Ralph Atkin
founder, SkyWest Airlines
Nolan D. Archibald
CEO, Black and Decker
Melvin A. Cook
chemist
Richard and Linda Eyre
family counselors
Dr. John S. Lewis
space scientist
Joseph F. Merrill
(1869 - 1952)
physicist
and many more are found at
http://famousmormons.net/sci.html
Now you do not think any of these people are thinkers, or rational, or scientific? They are all mormons.
May 5, 2007 10:33 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 5, 2007 22:33
Gaby writes:
"übermensch = superman. Doesn't exist except in Hitler's garbled mind!"
Dear Gaby -
Yes, you are correct. That particular smear was thrown my way in this thread. The person who called me that name qute obviously used the term to smear me as a Nazi. It wasn't subtle, and I didn't miss it.
Xian love on display for all to see.
May 5, 2007 10:26 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 5, 2007 22:26
So this is what the world has come to! Believers and non believers trying to out slam each other! Wow what love I feel here!
May 5, 2007 10:03 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 5, 2007 22:03
Something Kosher for your eyes unly Mr. Mariott et al.
Hopefully, Paris Hilton likes chicken.
She was sentenced Friday to 45 days at the Century Regional Detention Center, Los Angeles County's jailhouse for women just south of downtown in Lynwood.
Inmates there get three low-sodium meals a day, with dinner the only hot meal. Beef and pork aren't permitted _ "it's all poultry-based," said Capt. Alice Scott, who oversees the 2,200-inmate facility she describes as "a very nice place."
Like other high-profile Los Angeles County inmates _ O.J. Simpson, Robert Blake, Robert Mitchum, Sirhan Sirhan and Charles Manson _ Hilton will be segregated from the general population for her own safety, living in a one- or two-person cell.
Sometimes incarsaration can save ones LIFE. Ya Ya. Praise the Eclati in All. be Well in photon warmth.
May 5, 2007 9:15 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 5, 2007 21:15
Anonymous:
"then maybe we would begin to understand eachother and be more tolerant."
When was the last time you saw tolerance in this world? Everybody hates everbody. "We love the Sinner but hate the Sin." What crap!!!
It tranlates into we can't stand what you do but we'll try to forgive you if you repent and become one of us.
That goes for Christians and Muslims alike.
Heck, even just in Christian faith we can't come to just one common denominator
Why?
Because that so-called "word of God" is anything but. It was written for men by men. NOTE: I didn't say women by women.
Everyone translates the "Word of God" into what they want to believe. The Mormons just added a few chapter to suit them.
So what?
People have always been afraid to die and that is why they created the "afterlife" in the image they wanted to see it.
The simple truth is that our "Eclat = Photons = Soul = Universe" is what we are.
If you believe in everything having a soul (energy) then that energy has to go somewhere. In all likelihood it combines with the greater energy.
View it as a magnet that pulls all things together. There won't be individual thought, because there can't be. You will be part of the WHOLE once again.
May 5, 2007 8:07 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 5, 2007 20:07
übermensch = superman. Doesn't exist except in Hitler's garbled mind!
"The boys from Brazil"
May 5, 2007 7:16 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 5, 2007 19:16
Jacob....
Each has a unique frequency of ones Eclati-On photon mist(s).
(((((LOVE YOU)))))
Why Theriault? I knew long before him! Cosmic Energy, Eclati-ions, Brothers and Sisters in Space-Time continuum.
IT is in us and all around us. WE are Photons!
May 5, 2007 7:11 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 5, 2007 19:11
Anonymous writes:
"reading these blogs truely shows the intolerance that is poisoning our nation. just because you dont believe it or understand something you have to knock it down."
Intolerance, or the result of enlightenment? Except for the USA and the Islamic world, the world is abandoning the fairy tale world of religion at an alarming rate.
As far as "understanding something," name one thing in the world outside of religion that asks man to take it as being truthful and realistic while providing not a shred of evidence to support its claims. What, exactly, is there to "understand" about religion? If its claims are not demonstratably provable on an historic, scientific or rational basis, then what, exactly, is the proof that helps one to understand? At the end of the day, it all comes down to an opinion unsupported by evidence. And in the case of Xianity, it's an opinion with which 2 out of 3 people in the world disagree.
What you see as intolerance I see as progress.
May 5, 2007 4:09 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 5, 2007 16:09
OH JESUS MARIA PLEEZE WHATS GOING ON. HERE WE HAVE A CULT THAT DENEGRATES WOMEN, GAYS AND LESBIANS TO 2ND CLASS STATUS AND THEY THINK THEIR CHURCH IS MAINSTREAM! GET A LIFE!
SOME OF THOSE DUDES THAT RUN THE CHURCH ARE RIPE TO JOIN BARNUM AND BAILEY CIRCUS THEY HAVE OPENINGS FOR HOMOPHOBIC CLOWNS RIGHT NOW! NO WONDER MEMBERS HAVE TO DONATE 10 % OF THEIR INCUM TO THE CHURCH, REMEMBER JOSEPH SMITH AND BRIGHAM YOUNG HAD WELL OVER 100 WIVES IN BETWEEN THEM! OH JESUS IT SHOW US ONCE MORE THAT RELIGION IS THE PROBLEM AND NOT THE ANSWER!
OK BILL NOW I WANT A FREE ROOM FOR 2 WEEKS AT YOUR LAS VEGAS HOTEL PLEEZE????
May 5, 2007 3:51 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 5, 2007 15:51
reading these blogs truely shows the intolerance that is poisoning our nation. just because you dont believe it or understand something you have to knock it down. That goes both ways wether you believe in god or not. wether you are mormon, catholic, athiest or whatever. why do we have to attack someones beliefs. i know a lot of good people who come from all these backgrounds.
it is those people from any of the above named groups or any group creed or religion that have to attack or belittle or twist others words or that have to give their opinion on what others believe that are creating all this hate and intolerance. everyone needs to look inward and fix their own problems and let everyone else to the same.
then maybe we would begin to understand eachother and be more tolerant.
May 5, 2007 3:31 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 5, 2007 15:31
"Peace through Christ, not religion. Religion is satanic, Biblical Christianity is of God."
This is what some people do not understand....people have used God and the bible to pervert things to suite their own needs but that has nothing to do with God. Human beings should be held accountable for their actions instead of denying the existence of God.
People trash Christianity but for all the hoopla they can never tell me what is wrong with Christianity. I had to figure it out myself.....Christianity deals with the essence of humanity that religion had crippled. Now we see science trying to do the same. But the Almighty is in charge and rising people of faith to come out of their hiding place to spread the joy and salvation of the gospel that belongs to all humanity.
May 5, 2007 1:43 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 5, 2007 13:43
Mr Mark:
"You forgot the umlaut on übermensch."
Maybe you're just uberanal.
May 5, 2007 1:33 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 5, 2007 13:33
I wrote:
"We call upon god for help and guidance, but the turh is that we answer our own prayers."
Misspelled "truth"...and that's the turh... :)
May 5, 2007 1:30 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 5, 2007 13:30
katakaha writes:
"Mr. Mark. You are ubermensch? A Randian hereo? Don't need help from no stinking nobody? I do. I need lots of help."
You forgot the umlaut on übermensch.
I need as much help as the next person. The difference between you and me is that I don't look toward an imaginary god for help.
I'm going to assume that you do look toward god for help, and that you sometimes do that exclusive of human help. In a very real way, I admire that - as god is all in your mind, calling on him for help is - in reality - an exercise in SELF HELP. The truth is that you are a more self-reliant person than I...and a more self-reliant person than you give yourself credit for being.
We call upon god for help and guidance, but the turh is that we answer our own prayers.
May 5, 2007 1:26 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 5, 2007 13:26
tj writes:
"Mr. Mark
Why are you so positive there is no God? If you were in a bad accident, in your heart what would you feel? Would you hope that some superior being might be looking out for you?"
Good question.
I would say that the fact that god allowed me to be in the bad accident in the first place would mitigate against my feeling that there was some god watching out for me. ;)
May 5, 2007 1:18 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 5, 2007 13:18
"You call Mr. Marriott a Hypocrite because he provides these things but if he did not you would say he is forcing his religion on you. I think some people just like to find things to complain about."
This is so true.....for some people it is never enough. That's why it is good that people like Mr. Marriot are coming out to tell it like it is with freedom from fear.
This is the same reason why the world is in shambles....because of people and their never ending whining and complaining pointing fingers at others instead of using that same energy and contributing to humanity.
May 5, 2007 1:17 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 5, 2007 13:17
Will, I congratulate the Marriott family to their pragmatic and reasonable approach to sexuality.
It is unfortunate, however, that Mormon authorities are badgering teenagers over non-issues such as masturbation and homosexuality.
I wish that the Mormon leadership would learn from the Marriott family and corporation how to deal with the facts of life.
May 5, 2007 1:06 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 5, 2007 13:06
Remember Brother(s) Sister(s) Today, Tomorrow & Beyond:
"For out of Prison [or poverty] He Commeth to Rein..., ISIAH: 53 (all) and; ECCL: 4:14, et seq.
May 5, 2007 1:05 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 5, 2007 13:05
Mr. Mark, In response to your comments by the heartfelt message from Mr. Marriot, you criticize him for not verbally giving his doctors FULL credit for his recovery. Rather his feelings of gratitude went beyond his wonderful medical caregivers and he specifically gave credit to his God for sustaining him through that trial.
You are an atheist and that is certainly YOUR right. I am not making issue with you on that matter - the saying "free to be you and me" comes to mind. However, I am not an atheist, I am a Christian and that is MY right and hopefully you won't make issue with me on MY choice.
From MY point of view as a Christian, I believe all things come from God. Bill Marriot believes that as well. Why his sharing tender feelings regarding what must have been a horrible experience for him must be disected to the degree it has been in this column I do not understand. When any Christian (and yes Mormons believe in Christ and are therefore Christians) who has had a brush with morality as he did, will naturally turn to his creator in thought and gratitude for his having survived the ordeal.
I believe that scientific discoveries for medicine and the skills doctors use for treating illnesses, etc. untimately come from God... because He wants it to be so.
The following is a quote from a book called "Pathways to Perfection" by Thomas S. Monson: "God left the world unfinished for man to work his skill upon. He left the electricity in the cloud, the oil in the earth. He left the rivers unbridged and the forests unfilled and cities unbuilt. God gives to man the challenge of raw materials, not the ease of finished things. He leaves the pictures unpainted and the music unsung and the problems unsolved that man might know the joys and glories of creation."
Again I say, I believe that scientific discoveries
for medicine and the skills doctors use for treating you and me ultimately comes from God because He wants it to be so.
I wish you only good things Mr. Mark and any others who might have a different view than I do.
May 5, 2007 12:29 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 5, 2007 12:29
Att: A N O N Y M O U S et al; Hello World;
NO! I am not "... a Follower of the "Cult?" of Dr. Harry THERIAULT or from his "Church of the New Song" via Eclararian movement, etc.. NO!
I only respect my "Elders" when IT(your g-d Eclati) comes to "Shiloh" (The Photon Bringer not so much light) the one HUMATE, today who has had a DISSPENSATION of the "MELCHIZEDIK-PEACE-BLESSING" that will usher Humate-Kind a World PEACE & healing of Nations & more.
And, hence; "The WAR BLESSING is now ANNULED according to "Shiloh" in his book "The Book Of TRANSFITY".
I Went to MARIST COLLEGE and if you are Familiar with "THE BIG BROTHERS" [not like KNIGHTs of the HOSPITALis] and so I;m attaching a link for your Heuristic tase bud(s) so to speak.
Then after you visit, tell me what you thinketh? O.K.!? Enjoy ypur Photo Finite Essence Mist NOW!
http://library.marist.edu/archives/Circle/1984/1984_5_3.pdf
[Please see Page One, "And now the New Song..."]
****** NOVEL STAR AT ITS BEST ******* And;
http://library.marist.edu/archives/Circle/1985/1985_1_31.pdf
[Please see: Page 3 & 9 at, Nothing moves World more than refreshing thoughts.."]
And for some great COURT CASES [Federal & State] please SEE:
Rudolf Giulani, as a Prosecutor in NYC, at: Theriault Vs. Quinlan, 609 F. Supp, 733 (S.D.N.Y., 1985, may.) AND;
Former FBI & CIA Director at; Remmer Vs. Brewer, 494 F.2d 1277 (1974) et seq. AND;
SHILOH PREVAILS for ECLATi minded and hungry Asperants for IT (reality) in;
Loney Vs. Scurr, 494, F.Supp 928 (1980) AND;
Loney Vs. Scurr, 474 F.supp, 1186 (1979) et seq.
You Can go to an online "Law Library" like findlaw.com et al.
please get back to me after you research and do not listen to the lealous folk on these blogs, O.K.? SHOLOM and Let There Be Photons in Gridarion Democracy & Beyond for ALL. Always. : + )/ Ya Ya Mons a Mono's friend(s) et al.
May 5, 2007 12:23 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 5, 2007 12:23
Att: Anonymous et al;
((((((((((((( Peace-Love-Rock and ROMNEY! )))))))))))
May 5, 2007 11:43 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 5, 2007 11:43
Jacob, I'm confused. Are you a follower of the cult of Roch Theriault or the cult of Harry Theriault?
May 5, 2007 11:37 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 5, 2007 11:37
YOUR-ECLAT & "i" is G-d!
And not a Man or Women that is IN your Me ME that is in turn "The Great Holy Cosmic Heart Beat, of which we Cosmically inhereited, via Eclati your "G-d of Photons", and since WE are PHOTONS then we are G-d(s) right? a/k/a ECLATi-On(s).
Note: Light as we knew back in ancient days of lores & of their manmade Epochs, Zero G-dly, is NOT the SAME as the PHOTONS of Today! Am I Right?
Explaination: Dead Dinosaurs [and OUR(s) Ancestry included] & Trees etc, are now in the form of "Stored Energy" {hence "E" (you) can never be created nor destroyed] a/k/a PETROLIUM (Historic Energy captured by things that are Photons in Themselves) and also known as Fossils.
Wherefore: In Miracle (Zero Sin) We are Naturally "BAPTISED" and We are Naturally "Pre-Confirmed & What we do HERE NOW, we are to answer to the Heuristics of ourselves in the "Non-Gravity Place"
a/k/a The DUE-TO-BE [5th Dimesional Place] wher there is another miracle in storeage for your selves via Photonic frequency Spectrum between the realm of Source One and OURS Eclati's.
G-d lives or exists exclusively {unknown to us now in this heuristic light form] in the 4th, 3rd, 2nd & 1st. Dimension at the otherside of the Non gravity Place called the 5th Dimensionals otherside. AND;
We ECLATi-On(s), exist now (between the MAGMA & PLASMA Frequency interfaces, as Time= your Temperature (98.6 deg. F. as a 95 Watt's worth of Heat "E"nergy) in OUR(s) System of Miracle via the great Vibrational Harmonic Cosmic hEART bEAT THAT wE ARE all A, inescapable, Photonic Materialized part(s) of IT (G-d) a/k/a ITSELF (It) G-d thing in stuff & Photon)) SO;
WE live and appear, in miracle again, in the 4th,3rd,2nd, & 1st Dimension, right before the 5th Dimentional frequency non gravity Place on the opposite side of IT (G-d) as we appear in form of ITSELF NOW & Forever via "Eclati's DUE-TO-BE" "Holy Cosmic Machine".! Wow!
WE and O.U.R.(s), are ALL in on this miracle thing or happening T.O.G.E.T.H.E.R! A/K/A unitited WE STAND diVIDED your Eclati falls.
Each has a unique frequency of ones Eclati-On photon mist(s).
Ya Ya. : + )' Show Me Where is the Sin in Being Born from the MAGMA and going toward [never back, your body & Posterity is left back, but never your Heuristical Specialized unique frequencized photinic self.]?
Do you know what I'm saying? Please feel free to ask about your Miracle in and of ypurs and O.U.R.S. ECLATI thing.
May 5, 2007 11:04 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 5, 2007 11:04
HK- Here's another tip:
You might as well give up any TV you may have then as well, since today's modern TV sets are what have evolved from a TV invented by a Mormon.
So, now that you have that tip, does that mean you've watched your favorite movie or TV show for that last time now???
And for those who find Marriott HYPOCRITICAL for allowing alcohol, smoking, and pornography to be accessible in his hotels, I've got another 'H' word for you all. It's HOSPITALITY! Just because he makes those things accessible for guests doesn't mean he subscribes to any of that stuff himself. You have your choices when you are there. You can open up the drawer and pull out the Bible or Book of Mormon and have a good read to kill time. If so much of our society weren't so dependent having access to alcohol, smoking, and/or pornography to have a good time, then I don't think Marriott would have that stuff available in his hotels.
Why criticize Marriott for being hospitable?? Isn't he just patterning his business like any good American hospitality business by giving you the luxury and accomodations, not only in the rooms themselves, but in choice of how you may spend your leisure time?
Marriott understands that to have the success he's had, he has to be accomodating and hospitable to as many people as he can, and unfortunately that means continuing to allow people the choice and ability to engage in smoking, drinking, or watching porn in their rooms.
I think we all know that if he didn't do that, he would not have such a successful and hospitable hotel chain if any. We all know that you would then be criticizing him for not being hospitable and for trying to be too controlling in limiting the abilities and choices of his guests.
So, with that being true, I ask to all who have criticized Marriott here, why the fault finding? What is it about finding fault in others, whether it be their religion or other facet of their lives that gives you so much pleasure? Does it make you feel empowered in some way? Please...give me some answers here. Thanks!
May 5, 2007 10:08 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 5, 2007 10:08
Mr. Marriott, I hope your recovery was complete and that you do not carry too many scares or suffer from residual pain. What an awful accident but you turned it into a positive experience and this is something we can all learn from. It deepened your love for life and your love of Christ. It seems that your faith kept you from blaming God, feeling bitter, feeling sorry for yourself and asking "why me Lord" and that is a really good testament to the Mormon faith. My personal belief is that the Mormon doctrine is flawed but who am I to judge an organization that produces such positive results. We both share a belief in the divinity of Christ and that is the the substance of life.
May 5, 2007 10:06 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 5, 2007 10:06
Att: John ADAM-SON et al:
Good Morning Cyber friend!
((((((((((((( Peace-Love-Rock and ROMNEY! )))))))))))
Remember: To meditate. is to "Listen" to OURs ECLAT "i", And to Pray to YOUs Own-Eclati, is to "Speak" to the Fearless & Unjealous Your True and genuine Lord God [never never in form of Humate-Kind (a Man or Women form imagined or not)).
Wherefore: YOU ARE G-D and the ECLAT [Your specialized Eternal immortal "HEURISTICAL Brillance bursting Forth a/k/a Spaceing Forth via The Balances of Absolute HOT & COLD and your balance between the MAGMA & OUR PLASMA in Miracle Awarenes & know that WE NEVER WAS BORN IN SIN and that life is MIRACLE & Thus, WE NEVER can DIE!
Our Eclati & OUR Eclati-on's can never be created nor destroyed!
Think of your ESCHETOLOGICAL POSSIBILITIES in your appearing "Heuristicaly" as your "Miracle Awareness" being in "THE SYSTEM(s) of MIRACLE(s).
Yes, Praise God Almighty! And "SHILOH" is NOW O.U.R. Sholom on beautiful Momma Poppa "Space-Ship" Tellus [Earth] in this "New-Song" of OUR current AQUARIUS-AGE.
IT (your "i" is g-d stuff) is like you being a Butterfly NOW, thus in OURs, and Evolving from and away from that "Old-Song" "Heuristicaly" from OUR(s) Ancesters ["i" Me Me] that was the PISCES-AGE and like being a Caterpillar that is left behind, as a testamount and witness to each other.
WE exist in and of ECLATi's "Eternity Avoiding Lonliness" machine, so to speaketh, through US and via ALL things or Stuff, Known and Unknown, here, there & Beyond OUR(s) PHOTO FINITE Essences.
There is LIFE IN LIGHT/Photons!
Hence We Never Die because, Where Photons (like your industructable all knowing Heuristic [spirit mist like] have never seen or been in light, then there is NO-LIFE without Light!
Vote: O.U.R.S. NOW and for Gridarian Democracy at a precent near YOU, my ECLATi-On Cyber Friend(s) et al!!
((((((((((((( Peace-Love-Rock and ROMNEY! )))))))))))
: + ) / Ya Ya Monsa Mono's et al.
May 5, 2007 10:06 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 5, 2007 10:06
Jacob JOZEVZ et al:
A good morning to you!
"me wise unknown, like Melchezedik"
Very apt, very creative, very funny!
May 5, 2007 9:50 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 5, 2007 09:50
Mr. Mark. You are ubermensch? A Randian hereo? Don't need help from no stinking nobody? I do. I need lots of help. I guess I just suck. I'm sure I suck much worse than Mr. Marriott.
Speaking of Marriott, a family member temped at their corporate headquarters in DC (or Rockville, I forget) for a few weeks. She said it was the kindest, nicest corporate culture she had ever seen. She's never seen anything like it before or since. I don't know if this is Bill Marriott's doing, but if it is, it speaks well of him.
May 5, 2007 9:41 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 5, 2007 09:41
Religion is never an impediment to thinking as long as you don't think out loud. Look how Galileo was persecuted to his death while under house arrest during the last 15 years of his life. Most religions enforce leaving your conscience at the church door as you enter the cage of vile beasts. Look at what the church of Satan did to the reformers in the 15th and 16th century. Also reflect on why the saints of God such as the Waldenses, Albigenses, French Huegonots and the Anabaptists were persecuted by the state churches not for their thinking, but for their standing up for the word of God. William Tyndale was murdered by strangulation for printing the word of God in English and not in the Latin monster tongue. Anyone that thinks religion is a good thing and expressive of freedom of thought hasn't read any history. I would encourage reading about the Crusades, the Inquisition, the persecution of the Jews during WW11, the murder of the Serbs by the religious Croatians etc. The only reasons we are not seeing religion kill again is because the Roman church is being held back by God or it would go back to its murderous ways. There are those that will join in with the Islamic faith, but it too was persecuted by the infidels during the Crusades!
Religion is not of God but of the devil. Read Matthew chapter 13 where Jesus Christ tells us where the Pharisees come from and the religion that murdered the Holy One of Israel, the Son of God, the Son of Man who is one with the Father and is the express image of God and is God.
Peace through Christ, not religion. Religion is satanic, Biblical Christianity is of God.
John Adamson
May 5, 2007 9:32 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 5, 2007 09:32
Att: K A T A K A H A et al:
"There Is Nothing Like a Good Philosophy."
- Zel Jozevz et al. Greetings:
kA sa hae! tee kae! : + )/ yA yA Mons. Eeee Haaaa Praise the Fearless and Unjealous Holy No Mon Eclati! Life is deafinately a miricle.
"Good Thoughts, Good Words, Good Deeds"
-Ahura MAZDA the Zoroastrian(s).
S H O L O m in "SHILOH" The PHOTON/LIGHT BRINGER to usher in the mucg needed World Faith Exchange via O.U.R.s [One Universal Religion System] coming-out-of And from ALL of the 5 major pre-Apocalyptic Faith systems of today,
VIA the U.N. mandated international "FAITH-EXCHANGING" and by the international "PEOPLES-EXCHANGE" and simultaneously create, for "HUMATE-KIND," A "ONE-BIBLE" that contains only the "VALID" Heuristics of their sentences, and thus sewn into [OURs] their NEW HOLY BOOK in Equality for ALL HUMATES & for Other Creature Forms where ever they may be.
Therefore: "Gridarion Democracy" is the Goal for ALL, Every and Any frontal lobe Possesing creature(s) "NOW," here on Space-Ship Momma Poppa Earth & Beyond.
BEHOLD: The "Light Bringer" have come to usher in a "NEW-AGE" of FAITH-EXCHANGING, World Peace, Healing of Nations & Individuals & More.
VOTE For: "O.U.R.s" Party And for G.r.i.d.a.r.i.o.n. *** D.e.m.o.c.r.a.c.y! Ya Ya, "Only In AMERICA!"
Praise the great Cosmic Holy Eterbal Heart Beat within and whithout OUR MIRACLE Photonic Mists!
S H O L O M!
May 5, 2007 9:31 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 5, 2007 09:31
ms wrote: "They have no ability to think critically, rationally, or scientifically. A Plato, Aristotle, Kepler, Galileo, Locke, Paine, Jefferson, Franklin, Einstein, or Hawkins will never come from such a religious Empire."
How about Henry Eyring, the theoretical chemist? I came across the Eyring equation in a textbook once. Apparently, it's a big deal. If you don't like theoreticians, there was Philo T. Farnsworth, inventor of electronic television. Wikipedia has a brief biographies of both these guys. There are plenty of Mormon scientists and scholars. They can't drink beer, but they are free to disregard your stereotype.
On a wider note, you will recall that it was Catholic monks that transmitted the learning of the Platos and Aristotles of antiquity to the Keplers and Galileos later on. Kepler was Lutheran. Copernicus and Mendel were both Catholic priests. Thomas Aquinas was a fantastic thinker, no one disputes that. Religion is not an impediment to thinking. It may be to some, but it is not generally the case, at least as far as I have seen. I can see how it could contribute to some becoming intellectually lazy, but this is not generally the case.
May 5, 2007 9:06 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 5, 2007 09:06
In response to MS regarding Mormons and “…that their beliefs (like many other religions) are full of non-sense. They have no ability to think critically, rationally, or scientifically. A Plato, Aristotle, Kepler, Galileo, Locke, Paine, Jefferson, Franklin, Einstein, or Hawkins will never come from such a religious Empire."
I find this statement both condescending and insulting. Many of LDS members are scientists, engineers, college professors and even Deans at Harvard University (Although that might not qualify because it is a religious institution), some have even taught at MIT. They must have some achieved amount of critical thinking, I hope.
I have studied philosophy and earned a degree in political science and psychology. I am also a women and LDS. While I am unmarried, I do not feel that if I were to marry, that I am expected to be subservient to any man by my religion. My two sisters also have bachelors; one is currently pursuing her graduate degree, the other works in television. She is married and has two children. Her husband fully supports her in her career. He is a mechanical engineer. My mother and six of her sisters all have bachelors and master's degrees and are married. One of my aunts earned a master's degree in mathematics and worked, as a computer scientist for Bell Labs, another is a CPA and works for a large company. We are neither subservient women nor without intelligence. If you werer to ask most Mormon men if they believe their wives are ignorant or subservient. I believe that most would say no, they are partners. A person's belief in something greater than him or herself is not a weakness, nor a sign of a weak mind.
Our doctrine teaches that all truth comes from God and that ALL religions and philosophies teach truth. I respect your right to express your opinion. However, it is incorrect and I feel compelled to express mine. "Search others for their virtues, thyself for thy vices." (Benjamin Franklin)
May 5, 2007 5:26 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 5, 2007 05:26
Wow, it still amazes me when the lack of tolerance in all forms rears its ugly head. From the stoning of non-believers to the outright bigotry afforded to those of faith or non-faith.
Mr. Marriott wrote about the way that his faith played in his life. In no way did he say that those who don't believe the same thing he does are wrong. He may very well believe that but I will leave that up to him.
As an atheist who grew up a catholic, I do not share his same beliefs however I wholeheartedly support his right to have them. I am not going to claim he is wrong and tell him that he needs to acknowledge that there is or is not a god of his choosing.
I personally could care less if he believes in a rock or a pony or a floating head in the sky. I don't pretend to know whom or what created this ball of fun we are floating on and I personally don't see how anyone else can until they expire. At that time we may or may not find out but if Mr. Marriott or anyone else or that matter has a faith in anything then I may not agree with them but they have as much right as anyone else to have those beliefs.
Mr. Marriott's story does not have to be inspirational to all. It may be just that to others, a story and who doesn't like to have a view into what makes others tick?
So go on with your bad self Mr. M. and you believe what you believe and I'll do the same and perhaps we could all do the same without holding judgment.
Yeah, I know.......good luck with that!
May 5, 2007 12:34 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 5, 2007 00:34
Mr. Mark
Why are you so positive there is no God? If you were in a bad accident, in your heart what would you feel? Would you hope that some superior being might be looking out for you?
May 5, 2007 12:20 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 5, 2007 00:20
Mr. Marriott:
Thank you for you posting. I hope you will disregard those who are negative with their posts. I appreciated what you said and know where you are coming from. You have been truly blessed and may God continue to bless you and yours.
Samuel Margolies
Las Vegas, Nevada
May 4, 2007 11:59 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 4, 2007 23:59
anyway can any of ya'll answer some quick questions for me..
1.) why can't I have more than one* wife?
2.) if I belong to a group of individuals like the Mormons and they respect me and treat me good while we enjoy worshipping Christ the Messiah, then why would that be terrible?
3.) how many Mormons does it take to elect a President??
4.) why can't we all spend more time praising Christ the Messiah instead of bickering over who does it better?
5.) oh and why don't Church of Christ listen to music?? King David danced so hard his clothes fell off, I personally couldn't dance that hard, but so what??
6.) why are Mormons any diffrent than all the other sects of Christianity lead be 'Elders' that believe their Dogma is more holy?
me personally I think that we should focus more on the actual TEACHING of CHRIST than the MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY approach
If I'm way off base with these assumptions and questions then please let me know, I just know I read the WORD and take it on FAITH, if there is a better SYSTEM out there then Let me know!!
*that is assuming I could even consider having more than one woman in my life who is willing to love me!! KING SOLOMON ANYONE???
May 4, 2007 11:41 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 4, 2007 23:41
To HK: the fact that EVERY hotel room in the Mariott chain has the Book Of Mormon in the nightstand wasn't a hint?
Once again I offer that the problem with Mormonism isn't their religious traditions, it is the fact that they OSTRACIZE any non- mormons when they are the majority cultural influence in the community. Also, it has been recogized since J.Edgaqr Hoover, that Mormons make up a disproportiate munber of CIA and FBI agents. The reason, is that they believe in unbliding authority- without question. This is a big problem for me coming out of the Bush administrations crinyism and questioning of anyone's patriotism if they don't unwaveringly support the administration's actions. I have had it with authoritarianism, even dressed up in a nice suit with good hair.
May 4, 2007 11:39 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 4, 2007 23:39
oops, that should be, "talk to missionaries or members".
May 4, 2007 11:38 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 4, 2007 23:38
Hello
I am grateful for this blessed nation that gives me freedom of speech and freedom of religion.
If you want to understand members of the "Mormon" church, go to LDS.org. Talk to missionaries of members. Email me.
I do not follow blindly in my faith. My ancestors did not follow blindly. Many knew Joseph Smith. He did not deceive them, he inspired them.
I am grateful for the restored Gospel of Jesus Christ. I wish you all success on your pursuit of truth.
Sagebrush
May 4, 2007 11:35 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 4, 2007 23:35
Mr. Mark
Your comment and point has already been posted and made. And your insinuation loud and clear. Please don't think you can crawfish now.
I must have struck a nerve. For that I apologize. But thank you for confirming what I have already stated about your contempt and the emptiness of your life’s center. Perhaps that is the root of your anger and issues toward the God who gives you life. Maybe you blame him. I don't know. I am not you.
As for your two children: What a blessing they must be.
If you are trying to impress anyone with your experience in seeing what is in a child’s eyes... with four of my own, as well as two grandchildren and a third on the way. I am not the best audience to start with. And I am certain, Mr. Marriott, given his age and the many more yet still that he has had a part in bringing into mortality, is not the best audience either.
If you truly want to expand your ability to see and understand what happiness is all about, and strengthen the foundation of the center of your life, (you already pointed out how fragile it is in your previous post) stop relying on just yourself. It is such a selfish, egotistical approach. Not to mention insanely limiting.
May 4, 2007 11:32 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 4, 2007 23:32
You people are weird.
May 4, 2007 11:19 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 4, 2007 23:19
hey, I know all ya'll are wrapped up in Mormon vs Mainstream Christianity, but seriously does anyone else have any idea what that ECLATi thing is about, I have read alot about Mormonism, and respectfuly I choose to decline on the subject..I think that as long as 'people' are willing to fight over ideals that they themselves didn't write or even consider to be written by their own Prophets (the Jews towards their own, Christians of diffrent cultural influences, the sects of Islam, Mormons also towards eachother) that veiws will always be skewed..No one can 'change' someone's veiws, only God can, so let's just say 'Love thy Neighbor'...well unless they steal your lawn equipment...that stuff is the important thing be a person of servitude not attitude!!!
LOve all you guys and women see ya'll hasta mannana..
-ransom-
May 4, 2007 11:05 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 4, 2007 23:05
Dear Freevoice -
Thanks for the comments.
"People who contribute to the advancement of humanity surely need credit but by no means should they be worshipped as Gods on earth because they are not all knowing. If that were the case the world would be a totally different place today."
I'd ask you to open your mind.
No one is asking anyone to worship humans. I don't worship humans. I am simply asking: why can't humans be acknowledged for the incredible things they do? What is it with people like you that you take man's greatest accomplishments and flippantly assign their achievements to a god?
Hell, if you were a deist, you'd be able to believe in god AND you would also believe that every single thing that happens on this earth with man's involvement is the product of man's involvement, because a deist believes in a dispassionate god who has no interest in the goings on of this world.
My question to you is this: why worship god(s) at all? The god of the Bible is NOT all-knowing. He is NOT all-powerful. His is NOT all-prescient. The Bible itself proves this to be true (I leave it to you to find the appropriate verses). By his OWN standrads, the Biblical god is not worthy of worship!
As far as your saying that, "God is the unseen life force and it is universal as nature is universal." Well, you are now redefining god from the Biblical definition, aren't you? My "attacks" are upon the Biblical god, not upon some unseen life force. If you want to say that physics or mathematics or photsynthesis are "god," then I'm OK with that definition. But I thought we were discussing god in the context of the Abrahamic religions, and THAT god looks like us, thinks like us and makes mistakes, just like us.
In closing, you write: "Science on the other hand can and it is dominated by particular elite who tell the rest of so-called fools what to think, feel and what’s good for them."
You know, I'd pay real money if you would act as a man of your word on this issue - sell your car, your computer, your TV and turn off your electric lights. Give up on the health of the food chain and eat untested food from the wild fields. But please, PLEASE quit your damn whining about an elite that doesn't care for you fools! If you insist on biting the hand that feeds you, than at least have the courage to admit your hypocrisy...or to act on your convictions.
I, for one, say, thank GOD for those scientific elites! I'm one fool who is more than happy to enjoy the advances they have provided to ALL humanity, fools and freethinkers alike.
The world NEEDS elites, my friend. Elites are certainly in short supply in all fields of endeavor. Perhaps you would do well to spend a few minutes a day contemplating how much those elites have improved YOUR life before you damn them with your all-too-familiar whining.
Take care.
May 4, 2007 11:05 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 4, 2007 23:05
Dear Sunprince -
Well, you just don't get it, do you.
Far from "humiliating me" in this blog, you make my point. Thank you.
Indeed, my quote of Mr Marriott included his words "helped me", and that was the point. As a father with two children, I can't imagine that I would need ANY outside help to "help me make my family the center of my affection." My post in no way implies that Mr Marriott's faith is the ONLY thing that helped him find his affection. Those are YOUR words twisting mine, not mine twisting Mr Marriott's. Perhaps YOU need to go back and reread my post, Sunprince. You'll see absolutely nothing in it that even suggests the condition of "only."
As far as misquoting Mr Marriott - my comments were direct cut-n-pastes. There was absolutely no misquoting of any kind.
What I found disheartening is his statement that his affection for his family needed a boost from some external source.
I would gently suggest to Mr Marriott - and to you, for that matter - that you need look no further than into your children's eyes to experience overwhelming affection for them, and that if you can't feel that all-encompassing affection from the simple act of looking in their eyes, that no amount of "help" from an imaginary being is going to get you there.
As far as atheists not being happy/child of god BS: cut the crap. You're living a delusion. There is no "him (god)" to "throw away your issues against." Knowing that fact as a fact is - in fact - a GREAT source of happiness for me. There's no god - rejoice with exceeding great joy! Too bad you're not in on the happiness, for it is a much more organic and spiritual happiness than religion ever was or could be, at least for me.
In closing - science need not acknowledge religion. There is more mystery and wonder in than natural world than the religionist can imagine. Why should science lower itself to the level of religious poppycock and delusion? Why should science assign its discoveries to a third party that had nothing to do with making those discoveries? Science may as well acknowledge the New York Mets as being involved in its discoveries as god. God had no hand in those discoveries. Why give him credit?
Science moves forward while religion sputters in its Bronze Aged-idiocies.
As far as religion not discounting science : maybe you missed last night's Republic debate. Maybe you've never heard of the Discovery Institute or creationists.
Thanks for the chat.
May 4, 2007 10:41 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 4, 2007 22:41
Neil Graham writes:
"Mitt Romney apparently believes Joseph Smith found some gold tablets from God in the forest, and that Mr. Smith then conveniently lost the tablets. The alleged tablets claim (among other extremely unlikely claims)that the US was founded by Israelites! Why do people believe this sort of thing?"
That is a good question Neil. Perhaps you should find out if this is even accurate.
For starters:
1: Joseph Smith never claimed to "find some gold tablets in the forest" NEVER!!
2: He also never claimed to lose them. NEVER!!
3: The tablets you are referring to are presumably the plates from which The Book of Mormon was translated. And it has never, does not now and never will claim that the US was founded by Israilites. NEVER!!
If you want to know the truth from first hand source, may I suggest you read it yourself. It will help to get your facts straight before making allegations.
Don't you just hate it when someone gives you wrong or bad information? It makes you feel foolish doesn't it for perpetuating false, wrong and inaccuate information? Because then people have no doubts about how much you don't really know or understand. It just seems to shoot a big hole in your credibility.
The only way I have learned to solve this unending problem that seems to keep growing like a bad rumor is to kill it at the source, and find out from first hand information. That would be a start.
May 4, 2007 10:36 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 4, 2007 22:36
Mr. Mark
"Let's face it, your comment is just religious-speak and a poor excuse."
Here we go again....accusing me of religious speak. Faith and religion are two different things in case you didn't know. My faith is not connected to a particular religious denomination. Mr. M has the right to come out and speak about his religious beliefs because it is his first amendment right....in no way is he forcing you to accept his way of thinking. You attack him personally because he did not give credit to something you wanted your way which is a selfish position.
the power of some imaginary being?” does science not come from human imagination and curiosity, wanting to know how and why? God is the unseen life force and it is universal as nature is universal. No one person or group has a monopoly over it; it can not be manipulated to suite a particular political agenda. Science on the other hand can and it is dominated by particular elite who tell the rest of so-called fools what to think, feel and what’s good for them.
You can give credit to mortal souls who are here today and gone tomorrow but one thing is for sure the world will continue without them long after they are gone and forgotten. People who contribute to the advancement of humanity surely need credit but by no means should they be worshipped as Gods on earth because they are not all knowing. If that were the case the world would be a totally different place today. You have the right to do so but you can not accept others do bow down to your will because you feel like it.
May 4, 2007 10:30 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 4, 2007 22:30
Is Marriot Jr responsible for his fathers shortcomings?
May 4, 2007 10:25 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 4, 2007 22:25
Don't know about Mr. Marriott, Jr, but back in 1958 I worked briefly for Marriott's Hot Shoppes as a car hop. They paid me forty cents and hour, tips and tips amounted to about another forty cents an hour. Overtime was mandatory, and you didn't get paid at all for that. One day at quitting time, my boss, who was giving Mr. Marriott, Sr. a tour of the shop, told me I had to work free overtime till something or other was cleaned up. I changed out of my uniform, and as I was about to leave, the boss, with Mr. Marriott, Sr. beside him, told me to get back into the kitchen. My response was mildly unprintable, and I left, never to car hop again, and certainly never to stay in a Marriott hotel or to say a kind word about the organization. I find it hard to relate the kind of exploitation I experienced in Marriott's clutches with goodness of anything good or uplifting.
May 4, 2007 10:15 PM | Report Offensive Comments
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