As Super Tuesday has shown, as long as there is a conservative Christian in the running, they (Christians) will not vote for a mormon in mass.
All the political and talk radio people claiming Huckabee should have dropped out for the "good" of the party, were wrong.
Apparently, Romney should have dropped out and supported Huckabee...then we would have a 2 man race with the states going for Romney on Tuesday going for Huckabee and the states that split the conservative vote between Romney and Huckabee (thus losing to McCain) would have gone to Huckabee and not McCain, thus putting Huckabee in the lead.
People just don't listen to media types when they vote - they all vote their convictions and values no matter where they come from.
What in the world is a "traditional" Christian? You are either a Christian (a follower of the biblical Christ) or you are not. You, obviously are someone that believes that Mormons are Christians...I would agree that they are a people that have strong family values and have I guess, "played by the Republican" rules and for that reason, I may be forced to have to vote for Mitt Romney. I have to admit that I do agree with a lot of his views. I don't believe that he will deliver on all of his ideas and he is a bit of a panderer...but who isn't in this race. But, let's at least call him what he is: and this a Mormon, which is not a Christian. If you disagree, then please....please...do your research and please don't set up a website stating things that are simply not true.
What in the world is a "traditional" Christian? You are either a Christian (a follower of the biblical Christ) or you are not. You, obviously are someone that believes that Mormons are Christians...I would agree that they are a people that have strong family values and have I guess, "played by the Republican" rules and for that reason, I may be forced to have to vote for Mitt Romney. I have to admit that I do agree with a lot of his views. I don't believe that he will deliver on all of his ideas and he is a bit of a panderer...but who isn't in this race. But, let's at least call him what he is: and this a Mormon, which is not Christian. If you disagree, then please....please...do your research and please don't set up a website stating things that are simply not true.
What in the world is a "traditional" Christian? You are either a Christian (a follower of the biblical Christ) or you are not. You, obviously are someone that believes that Mormons are Christians...I would agree that they are a people that have strong family values and have I guess, "played by the Republican" rules and for that reason, I may be forced to have to vote for Mitt Romney. I have to admit that I do agree with a lot of his views. I don't believe that he will deliver on all of his ideas and he is a bit of a panderer...but who isn't in this race. But, let's at least call him what he is: and this a Mormon, which is not Christian. If you disagree, then please....please...do your research and please don't set up a website stating things that are simply not true.
I wonder if John Mark would vote for a Muslim (those peace loving ones we hear about on the news, of course) or a Wiccan? Of course, being a follower of Hugh Hewitt he will likely take the ad hoc, desperate view that only "mainstream' religions are allowed.
Also, why should Christians not put the Kingdom of God first rather than politics? In other words, maybe a Christian thinks that putting a Mormon in office would tend to "normalize" the religion and thereby cause problems for the growth of the kingdom.
Another thing, isn't Reynolds tacitly assuming that a persons religion would make no difference to the way they live, think, govern, etc.? For example, as a Christian wouldn't he rather have a Christian who is guided by the Spirit in office than a Mormon? I suspect Reynolds does think, being an evangelical himself, that in his life the Spirit is active and guiding, but apparently in a presidents life that is just not a big deal.
Finally, can Reynolds and his leader (Hewitt) please stop calling everyone who disagrees with them 'bigots'--it is really tiring--dial back the rhetoric--think you could do that JMR? I appreciate you have a certain minimalist political philosophy regarding religion and politics--don't force it on other by pressuring them with name-calling! It is perfectly fine, it seems to me, for a Christian to take all of their faith into account when deciding whom to vote for. It just may be that while not voting for someone based on race or sex is bigotry that not voting for them based on religion is not bigotry--especailly if we reject the secular notion that religions are somehow equal.
I wonder if John Mark would vote for a Muslim (those peace loving ones we hear about on the news, of course) or a Wiccan? Of course, being a follower of Hugh Hewitt he will likely take the ad hoc, desperate view that only "mainstream' religions are allowed.
Also, why should Christians not put the Kingdom of God first rather than politics? In other words, maybe a Christian thinks that putting a Mormon in office would tend to "normalize" the religion and thereby cause problems for the growth of the kingdom.
Another thing, isn't Reynolds tacitly assuming that a persons religion would make no difference to the way they live, think, govern, etc.? For example, as a Christian wouldn't he rather have a Christian who is guided by the Spirit in office than a Mormon? I suspect Reynolds does think, being an evangelical himself, that in his life the Spirit is active and guiding, but apparently in a presidents life that is just not a big deal.
Finally, can Reynolds and his leader (Hewitt) please stop calling everyone who disagrees with them 'bigots'--it is really tiring--dial back the rhetoric--think you could do that JMR? I appreciate you have a certain minimalist political philosophy regarding religion and politics--don't force it on other by pressuring them with name-calling! It is perfectly fine, it seems to me, for a Christian to take all of their faith into account when deciding whom to vote for. It just may be that while not voting for someone based on race or sex is bigotry that not voting for them based on religion is not bigotry--especailly if we reject the secular notion that religions are somehow equal.
I have three main objections to Mr. Reynolds, which may be significant to those of you who read this as well.
1) first of all, he states,
"The LDS Church has a remarkable record of care for others and support for family values." "However, a review of social statistics in the state of Utah, which is at least 76 percent Mormon, shows that the rates of divorce, child abuse, teenage pregnancy, and suicide are above the national average and climbing" (Martin, 2003, p. 195).
Though Mormons are decent people and this is somewhat true, I think that much of this is merely a front. Within Mormons is a deep-seated desire and pursuit of perfection that cannot be attained without pursuing truth, and which actually brings more harm than good to their personal lives and families.
2) Second, he writes,
"A traditional Christian should only make political alliances with groups that embrace reason, ... Fortunately for Romney, Mormonism easily passes these tests."
I am not so sure that the official Mormon religious organization does this, as is shown by the videos "DNA vs. the Book of Mormon," "The Bible vs. the Book of Mormon," and "The Lost Book of Abraham" dvds, which can be viewed or found on the following websites:
If the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints were willing to embrace reason, they would own up to these grevious errors and tell their people the truth.
3) Third of all, as a member of this organization, Romney must be uninformed or in willful denial of the various obvious errors that his religious organization espouses as truth. Can we invest such extreme trust in someone who is so deceived and lift him up as the best that we have for this nation's leadership?
I have three main objections to Mr. Reynolds, which may be significant to those of you who read this as well.
1) first of all, he states,
"The LDS Church has a remarkable record of care for others and support for family values." "However, a review of social statistics in the state of Utah, which is at least 76 percent Mormon, shows that the rates of divorce, child abuse, teenage pregnancy, and suicide are above the national average and climbing" (Martin, 2003, p. 195).
Though Mormons are decent people and this is somewhat true, I think that much of this is merely a front. Within Mormons is a deep-seated desire and pursuit of perfection that cannot be attained without pursuing truth, and which actually brings more harm than good to their personal lives and families.
2) Second, he writes,
"A traditional Christian should only make political alliances with groups that embrace reason, ... Fortunately for Romney, Mormonism easily passes these tests."
I am not so sure that the official Mormon religious organization does this, as is shown by the videos "DNA vs. the Book of Mormon," "The Bible vs. the Book of Mormon," and "The Lost Book of Abraham" dvds, which can be viewed or found on the following websites:
If the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints were willing to embrace reason, they would own up to these grevious errors and tell their people the truth.
3) Third of all, as a member of this organization, Romney must be uninformed or in willful denial of the various obvious errors that his religious organization espouses as truth. Can we invest such extreme trust in someone who is so deceived and lift him up as the best that we have for this nation's leadership?
I have three main objections to Mr. Reynolds, which may be significant to those of you who read this as well.
1) first of all, he states,
"The LDS Church has a remarkable record of care for others and support for family values." "However, a review of social statistics in the state of Utah, which is at least 76 percent Mormon, shows that the rates of divorce, child abuse, teenage pregnancy, and suicide are above the national average and climbing" (Martin, 2003, p. 195).
Though Mormons are decent people and this is somewhat true, I think that much of this is merely a front. Within Mormons is a deep-seated desire and pursuit of perfection that cannot be attained without pursuing truth, and which actually brings more harm than good to their personal lives and families.
2) Second, he writes,
"A traditional Christian should only make political alliances with groups that embrace reason, ... Fortunately for Romney, Mormonism easily passes these tests."
I am not so sure that the official Mormon religious organization does this, as is shown by the videos "DNA vs. the Book of Mormon," "The Bible vs. the Book of Mormon," and "The Lost Book of Abraham" dvds, which can be viewed or found on the following websites:
If the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints were willing to embrace reason, they would own up to these grevious errors and tell their people the truth.
3) Third of all, as a member of this organization, Romney must be uninformed or in willful denial of the various obvious errors that his religious organization espouses as truth. Can we invest such extreme trust in someone who is so deceived and lift him up as the best that we have for this nation's leadership?
I disagree with Ron's comment that...
"A man's religious beliefs should be irrelevant!"
"Citizens shouldn't be voting on these criteria."
....
Religion matters whether you have one or not because if a candidate is very dedicated to the beliefs of his or her religion and those beliefs contradict our constitution, then there will be problems if they are voted in. What about a religion that believes women should not have power? A person who is dedicated to a religion which believes that will have conflicts with others in office. And my dear friend Ron would not even know about this person's prejudice because he considers religion an "irrelevant" factor.
Anon:
So are you advocating that we return to referring to left-handed people as "sinister?" After all, that was the original definition of the word.
As I said before, according to certain sects within Catholicism, Protestants aren't really Christians. Protestants consuder themselves Christians, and that's good enough for me. According to certain sects within Protestantism, Catholics aren't really Christians. Catholics consider themselves Christians, and that's good enough for me.
According to certain people who consider themselves Christian, Mormons aren't really Christians. Mormons consider themselves Christians, and that's good enough for me.
I don't presume to evaluate the status of another person's relstioship with the divine.
Definitions over the years have changed, been added to and have been watered down. Gay used to be defined as "merry or lively," and it did not include "of or relating to homosexuals." The word tolerance is evolving from the definition of "recognizing and respecting beliefs or practices" to "acceptance of beliefs or practices." Where would you find the original use of the word "Christian?" I don't believe it would be in the Book of Mormon published in the 1800's or in Webster's First Century Dictionary. It is in the Bible in Acts, written almost 2,000 years ago. Also, the recent definition (mentioned in a posting above) "pertaining to, or adhering to the religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ" would most certainly not include the teachings of Joseph Smith, who preached a different Jesus - not the Jesus who is THE God and ONLY God. The Mormon Jesus is not the Jesus of the New Testament. Maybe we could call him Mormon Jesus and the other Jesus of the Bible, the Christian Jesus.
To illustrate the difference between a Mormon and a traditional Christian (Catholic, Protestant, or Orthodox), ask the Mormom who Jesus is. Compare their answer with the traditional belief of the church and that believed by traditional Christians today. You will find that Mormon doctrine differs dramatically from that of traditional Christians (as described, for example, in Lewis' Mere Christianity). The Jesus claimed my Mormons is not the one claimed by Christians other than in name. That is the problem with Mormons claiming to be Christian.
As to whether or not to vote for Romney, I have met him and I think he is somewhat reminiscent of slick Willy and that's not a good thing.
This may come as a surprise to some Christians, but if the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is a cult than every Christian is a member of a cult. The definition of "Christian" from the dictionary is:
1. pertaining to, or derived from Jesus Christ or His teachings.
2. pertaining to, or adhering to the religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ.
3. of or pertaining to Chritsians.
4. exhibiting a spirit proper to a follower of Jesus Christ, as in having a loving regard for other persons.
5. a person who believes in Jesus Christ; an adherent of Christianity.
6. a person who exemplifies in his life the teachings of Christ.
Mitt Romney is running for President of the United States, not just for the Christian Nation, but for every citizen regardless of their religious beliefs or non beliefs. Stop focusing on his religion and start paying attention to what he can do for our country!
As you can see if you read these posts not everyone is voting for Mitt Romney because of his religion, but there are more so called "Christians" not voting for him because they think he is a member of a "cult". Sounds to me like those are members of a cult that are not being able to see outside their own religous belief system.
To any other group other than Christians, your "Christian religion" would be considered a cult. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is not a "Satanic cult" if that is what you are so worried about.
Focus on Mitt Romney's issues, not on his religion! That is what the separation of Church and State is all about!
1. One who professes belief in Jesus as Christ or follows the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
According to the dictionary, Mormons are Christians. Apparently, according to other Christians, they aren't. But then again, according to certain sects of Catholicism, Protestants aren't Christians, and according to certian sects of Protestantism, Catholics aren't Christians. But then again, Jesus wasn't a Christian either, so they're all in good company.
Do Mormons believe Jesus IS God, Jesus IS Lord, Jesus is EQUAL to God the Father and the Holy Spirit, Jesus was in the Beginning, there is only ONE God of the ENTIRE Universe and Heavens, we will never be a god for there is only ONE GOD? These are the beliefs of the first century Christian Church. This is what put Jesus on the cross - His claim to be THE God. This is why the disciples were imprisoned, hung, tortured, and killed - their claim that Jesus was THE God.
C.S Lewis in MERE CHRISTIANITY discussed the term Christianity. He wrote “Far deeper objections may be felt-and have been expressed-against my use of the word Christian to mean one who accepts the common doctrines of Christianity. People ask: ‘who are you, to lay down who is, and who is not a Christian?’ or ‘May not many a man who cannot believe these doctrines be far more truly a Christian, far closer to the spirit of Christ, than some who do?’ Now this objection is in one sense very right, very charitable, very spiritual, very sensitive. It has every amiable quality except that of being useful. We simply cannot, without disaster, use lanaguage as these objectors want us to use it.”
Lewis goes on to write that “We must therefore stick to the original, obvious meaning. The name Christians was first given at Antioch (Acts 11:26) to ‘the disciples,’ to those who accepted the teaching of the apostles. ... The point is not a thoeological, or moral one. It is only a question of using words so that we can all understand what is being said.”
I don’t believe these Biblical “disciples” of the first century Church Lewis mentioned would accept the revelations Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon religion, made in the 1800’s. His revelations undid the Christian doctrine of the Diety of Christ.
I believe we must all get on the same page as to the definition of “Christian.” Until we do this we will be arguing in circles.
On whether we should vote or not vote for Mitt based on his religion, that is a thoughtful question we all might have to ponder in the near future. Our faith or lack of is a large part of who we are, how we live our lives, and how we influence the world. As for me, I would have trouble voting for him as I have problems with his leadership... his flip flop on abortion, the fact that he says he can't do anything to change the abortion laws when as president he is able to appoint prolife judges, his acceptance of using "unwanted" stem cells for research, and the fact that he was Governor of the ultra liberal state of Massachusetts. In fact, the Republican candidates present at the Reagan Library Debates were all mediocre at best. Is there anyone else out there? Please??
The issue is not so much Romney's being a Mormon as it is when he says he is a Christian does he mean the same thing an orthodox or traditional Christian means in claiming to be a Christian? This is not being judgmental, just establishing facts. Mormons simply do not believe in the same God and Jesus as traditional Christians do based on their doctrines. That is fact no matter how much they may say otherwise and I think that is what concerns many Christians. The fact that there is so much controversy here is evidence enough that there is some sort of problem. In our politically correct world where we have so much trouble stating facts and discussing them, many are reluctant to state that there is a difference between Mormon beliefs and traditional Christian beliefs. Having said that, I also find Romney to be very slippery in his statements on such things as stem cell research where he says that he is absolutely opposed to creating life to be destroyed for stem cell research. What he doesn't go on to say is that he is fine with destroying as much life as can be found which has been created for other purposes. I would prefer it if he would just say what he believes. He should not try to mask his position on religion or anything else with partial and misleading statements. This characteristic of Romney is very relevant and important to his character and qualifications to be our president.
"What a misleading title - "Should Christians vote for Mormons?" as if Mormons were not Christians."
Sorry to burst your bubble Lepid, Mormons =/= Christians. Biggest differences:
On God -
Christians: God has existed eternally in perfection, and has never had less of His infinite power and wisdom than He has today. Adam was the first created man of flesh.
Mormons: God is the Supreme Being of the universe, but he has not always held that position. He gradually attained godhood by living a perfectly righteous life
On Jesus Christ -
Christians: Jesus Christ has existed eternally as God the second Person of the Trinity, and then took on a human nature at His birth in Bethlehem. Since then He exists eternally as one Person with both divine and human natures.
Mormons: Mormonism also teaches that Jesus was the physical son of God the Father and Mary, and that there is nothing in His life more than what is attainable by anyone else.
On Salvation -
Christians: We are unable to live a life righteous enough to meet God's standard of perfect holiness. Therefore we become right with God by faith in the work of Christ, not by our own works. Baptism and holy living are acts of obedience to God, but not a means of gaining salvation (theif on the cross notsoez?).
Mormons: Forgiveness of sins requires baptism by an approved Mormon priest. The practice of baptism for the dead is an extension of this belief, in which Mormons are baptized in proxy for those who have died without proper baptism.
On the future -
Christians: The Bible only speaks of two final fates for mankind: heaven or hell. And nothing is said of advancing in status in either location.
Mormons: Although there is some form of punishment (possibly temporary) for those that are most wicked, Christ will usher in a kingdom that will consist of three levels by the end of the millennium: the celestial kingdom, the terrestrial kingdom, and the telestial kingdom. It is possible to advance within each of these kingdoms.
We are not electing Pastor of the United States. We are electing President of the United States. When are Christians going to wake up and realize that you probably are not going to have another George W. Bush as president. He was a somewhat outspoken Christian. We need to vote on the issues. Does the candidate agree with us on the issues? I don't care if the guy is a hindu, or an eskimo. As long as he agrees with the conservatice principles that I adhere to. As long as he/she does that they have my vote. And that is not compromising. I hear some Christian freinds of mine say that they won't vote for anyone who isn't born again. Well good luck because the likelyhood of that is pretty small. So what are these people going to do? Stay home and not vote? I hope not because than Hillary or Barak are going to win. Look at the issues not the religion.
and judging others and telling them that they are not christian makes you not Christ like.Judge not lest ye be judged. By the mesure that you judge others will you be judged.
Sorry mormons. If you believe god was once a man and that faithful mormons become gods with their own planets and that there are thousands of gods in the universe, then you are not a Christian. You don't even know God's name. Being nice people and saying you believe in Jesus does not make you a Christian.
Gaby I agree with you. If you believe in something greater than yourself, You are always trying to better yourself today than you were yesterday. This will just make you more giving, caring and compassionate.
My thoughts exactly. I don't cae if a candidate worships Ieshua, JHWH, Mithras, Zeus, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or his or her own big TOE (Theory of Everything). What I care about is whether s/he will uphold the constitution. As one person put it, you swear on a copy of the Bible to uphold the Constitution, not the other way around. And as we all know, whatever book you choose is only a photo-op prop anyway, since the actual legal oath is taken with no book, holy or secular.
I'm not a Christian and I agree with Gaby in principle. I would pay especially close attention to the candidate's views on government neutrality among competing religions, regardless of the candidate's own religious affiliation. I would ask all the candidates their views about the Air Force Academy (which had become a kind of Jesus Camp a few years ago), the Office of Faith-Based Initiatives (which favored evangelical Christian groups over all other religious groups) and any ties by the Bush Administration to Pat Robertson's Regent University.
ms wrote: "They have no ability to think critically, rationally, or scientifically. A Plato, Aristotle, Kepler, Galileo, Locke, Paine, Jefferson, Franklin, Einstein, or Hawkins will never come from such a religious Empire."
You don't think so?
Stephen R. Covey
Chairman, Franklin Covey Company
J. Ralph Atkin
founder, SkyWest Airlines
Nolan D. Archibald
CEO, Black and Decker
Melvin A. Cook
chemist
Richard and Linda Eyre
family counselors
Dr. John S. Lewis
space scientist
Joseph F. Merrill
(1869 - 1952)
physicist
and many more are found at
http://famousmormons.net/
You may be suprised. There are mormons everywhere. You may even work with some. Who knows, You may even like them without even knowing it!
Now you do not think any of these people are thinkers, or rational, or scientific? They are all mormons.
And you better turn off your Comp. and throw out your TV because Philo T Farnsworth invented the TV and he was a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
I can't understand why people would view anothers religious viewpoint as a criterium for the Presidency.
Personally, I think as long as he/she uphold the tenets of the Consitutions of the United Staes he/she may be qualified.
I would vote for an Atheist, a Muslim, a Non-Sectarian, Christian, etc. in a heartheat as long as they would assure the freedon and prosperity of this county.
Why on earth is religion even a component of electing the President?
William Wells, you are absolutely right. Mormonism is a distinct religion and not just another denomination within Christianity. Mormons may say that their religion is the "restored" christian church but that does not make it a christian church. The Koran also speaks of Jesus and lavishes praise on Him but that does not make Islam a christian denomination.
If Mormonism was just "another" christian denomination, why do mormon missionaries still witness to christians? If I meet a fellow christian who goes to a different church then mine, I may invite him/her to come worship with us one day but I would certainly not feel the urge to witness to them or try to convince that my church was the only one true church.
To those who are uneducated in the matters of theology and yet willing to comment, Mormonism is entirely distinct from Christianity. One would not call Islam, Hari Krishna or Unitarianism denominations of Christianity simply because they mention Jesus. As the holder of undergraduate degrees in Philosophy and Biblical & Theological Studies from Biola University I feel confident in the generally accepted assessment that Mormonism is distinct from Christianity. To say otherwise is the mark of a poor education. In fact, I am somewhat disturbed at many of the hyperbolic and unfounded generalizations that have occurred in this thread.
Because much of politics is grounded on ethical considerations, I believe understanding the rational and guiding principles for a presidential candidates morality is one of many important considerations. This is not to say that one should vote for someone who shares all of their same beliefs. For example, I might fight an athiest candidate more appealing that a Christian candidate because he/she may be better qualified or have a track record of greater success. But it would be foolhardy to say that the a person's personal convictions/belief system is irrelevant in a position like president of the United States.
Carol Ferguson - Personally I would rather elect a president a leader with a forward outlook on the future of not just America but the world at large. With an eye of faith in spiritual things, with a bigger picture veiw of the common good of man.
It seems you are implying that those without faith and a belief in god might have a more narrow worldview. I find that many people who are not overtly religious often have a larger worldview. It is also often assumed that those with faith are more moral and that without a belief in Jesus Christ, one is likely to be a nihilist, without a moral rudder. Is this your view?
One other thing; you state your choice for a leader with a forward outlook for the world at large. Would it be your intention that we should promote American values or your idea of American values? Mormons are very evangelical in their attempts to convert non-believers. I actually
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As Super Tuesday has shown, as long as there is a conservative Christian in the running, they (Christians) will not vote for a mormon in mass.
All the political and talk radio people claiming Huckabee should have dropped out for the "good" of the party, were wrong.
Apparently, Romney should have dropped out and supported Huckabee...then we would have a 2 man race with the states going for Romney on Tuesday going for Huckabee and the states that split the conservative vote between Romney and Huckabee (thus losing to McCain) would have gone to Huckabee and not McCain, thus putting Huckabee in the lead.
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What in the world is a "traditional" Christian? You are either a Christian (a follower of the biblical Christ) or you are not. You, obviously are someone that believes that Mormons are Christians...I would agree that they are a people that have strong family values and have I guess, "played by the Republican" rules and for that reason, I may be forced to have to vote for Mitt Romney. I have to admit that I do agree with a lot of his views. I don't believe that he will deliver on all of his ideas and he is a bit of a panderer...but who isn't in this race. But, let's at least call him what he is: and this a Mormon, which is not a Christian. If you disagree, then please....please...do your research and please don't set up a website stating things that are simply not true.
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What in the world is a "traditional" Christian? You are either a Christian (a follower of the biblical Christ) or you are not. You, obviously are someone that believes that Mormons are Christians...I would agree that they are a people that have strong family values and have I guess, "played by the Republican" rules and for that reason, I may be forced to have to vote for Mitt Romney. I have to admit that I do agree with a lot of his views. I don't believe that he will deliver on all of his ideas and he is a bit of a panderer...but who isn't in this race. But, let's at least call him what he is: and this a Mormon, which is not Christian. If you disagree, then please....please...do your research and please don't set up a website stating things that are simply not true.
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What in the world is a "traditional" Christian? You are either a Christian (a follower of the biblical Christ) or you are not. You, obviously are someone that believes that Mormons are Christians...I would agree that they are a people that have strong family values and have I guess, "played by the Republican" rules and for that reason, I may be forced to have to vote for Mitt Romney. I have to admit that I do agree with a lot of his views. I don't believe that he will deliver on all of his ideas and he is a bit of a panderer...but who isn't in this race. But, let's at least call him what he is: and this a Mormon, which is not Christian. If you disagree, then please....please...do your research and please don't set up a website stating things that are simply not true.
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I wonder if John Mark would vote for a Muslim (those peace loving ones we hear about on the news, of course) or a Wiccan? Of course, being a follower of Hugh Hewitt he will likely take the ad hoc, desperate view that only "mainstream' religions are allowed.
Also, why should Christians not put the Kingdom of God first rather than politics? In other words, maybe a Christian thinks that putting a Mormon in office would tend to "normalize" the religion and thereby cause problems for the growth of the kingdom.
Another thing, isn't Reynolds tacitly assuming that a persons religion would make no difference to the way they live, think, govern, etc.? For example, as a Christian wouldn't he rather have a Christian who is guided by the Spirit in office than a Mormon? I suspect Reynolds does think, being an evangelical himself, that in his life the Spirit is active and guiding, but apparently in a presidents life that is just not a big deal.
Finally, can Reynolds and his leader (Hewitt) please stop calling everyone who disagrees with them 'bigots'--it is really tiring--dial back the rhetoric--think you could do that JMR? I appreciate you have a certain minimalist political philosophy regarding religion and politics--don't force it on other by pressuring them with name-calling! It is perfectly fine, it seems to me, for a Christian to take all of their faith into account when deciding whom to vote for. It just may be that while not voting for someone based on race or sex is bigotry that not voting for them based on religion is not bigotry--especailly if we reject the secular notion that religions are somehow equal.
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I wonder if John Mark would vote for a Muslim (those peace loving ones we hear about on the news, of course) or a Wiccan? Of course, being a follower of Hugh Hewitt he will likely take the ad hoc, desperate view that only "mainstream' religions are allowed.
Also, why should Christians not put the Kingdom of God first rather than politics? In other words, maybe a Christian thinks that putting a Mormon in office would tend to "normalize" the religion and thereby cause problems for the growth of the kingdom.
Another thing, isn't Reynolds tacitly assuming that a persons religion would make no difference to the way they live, think, govern, etc.? For example, as a Christian wouldn't he rather have a Christian who is guided by the Spirit in office than a Mormon? I suspect Reynolds does think, being an evangelical himself, that in his life the Spirit is active and guiding, but apparently in a presidents life that is just not a big deal.
Finally, can Reynolds and his leader (Hewitt) please stop calling everyone who disagrees with them 'bigots'--it is really tiring--dial back the rhetoric--think you could do that JMR? I appreciate you have a certain minimalist political philosophy regarding religion and politics--don't force it on other by pressuring them with name-calling! It is perfectly fine, it seems to me, for a Christian to take all of their faith into account when deciding whom to vote for. It just may be that while not voting for someone based on race or sex is bigotry that not voting for them based on religion is not bigotry--especailly if we reject the secular notion that religions are somehow equal.
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I have three main objections to Mr. Reynolds, which may be significant to those of you who read this as well.
1) first of all, he states,
"The LDS Church has a remarkable record of care for others and support for family values." "However, a review of social statistics in the state of Utah, which is at least 76 percent Mormon, shows that the rates of divorce, child abuse, teenage pregnancy, and suicide are above the national average and climbing" (Martin, 2003, p. 195).
Though Mormons are decent people and this is somewhat true, I think that much of this is merely a front. Within Mormons is a deep-seated desire and pursuit of perfection that cannot be attained without pursuing truth, and which actually brings more harm than good to their personal lives and families.
2) Second, he writes,
"A traditional Christian should only make political alliances with groups that embrace reason, ... Fortunately for Romney, Mormonism easily passes these tests."
I am not so sure that the official Mormon religious organization does this, as is shown by the videos "DNA vs. the Book of Mormon," "The Bible vs. the Book of Mormon," and "The Lost Book of Abraham" dvds, which can be viewed or found on the following websites:
http://www.mormonchallenge.com/index.htm
http://www.bookofabraham.info/
If the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints were willing to embrace reason, they would own up to these grevious errors and tell their people the truth.
3) Third of all, as a member of this organization, Romney must be uninformed or in willful denial of the various obvious errors that his religious organization espouses as truth. Can we invest such extreme trust in someone who is so deceived and lift him up as the best that we have for this nation's leadership?
June 11, 2007 3:16 PM | Report Offensive Comments
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I have three main objections to Mr. Reynolds, which may be significant to those of you who read this as well.
1) first of all, he states,
"The LDS Church has a remarkable record of care for others and support for family values." "However, a review of social statistics in the state of Utah, which is at least 76 percent Mormon, shows that the rates of divorce, child abuse, teenage pregnancy, and suicide are above the national average and climbing" (Martin, 2003, p. 195).
Though Mormons are decent people and this is somewhat true, I think that much of this is merely a front. Within Mormons is a deep-seated desire and pursuit of perfection that cannot be attained without pursuing truth, and which actually brings more harm than good to their personal lives and families.
2) Second, he writes,
"A traditional Christian should only make political alliances with groups that embrace reason, ... Fortunately for Romney, Mormonism easily passes these tests."
I am not so sure that the official Mormon religious organization does this, as is shown by the videos "DNA vs. the Book of Mormon," "The Bible vs. the Book of Mormon," and "The Lost Book of Abraham" dvds, which can be viewed or found on the following websites:
http://www.mormonchallenge.com/index.htm
http://www.bookofabraham.info/
If the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints were willing to embrace reason, they would own up to these grevious errors and tell their people the truth.
3) Third of all, as a member of this organization, Romney must be uninformed or in willful denial of the various obvious errors that his religious organization espouses as truth. Can we invest such extreme trust in someone who is so deceived and lift him up as the best that we have for this nation's leadership?
June 11, 2007 3:16 PM | Report Offensive Comments
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I have three main objections to Mr. Reynolds, which may be significant to those of you who read this as well.
1) first of all, he states,
"The LDS Church has a remarkable record of care for others and support for family values." "However, a review of social statistics in the state of Utah, which is at least 76 percent Mormon, shows that the rates of divorce, child abuse, teenage pregnancy, and suicide are above the national average and climbing" (Martin, 2003, p. 195).
Though Mormons are decent people and this is somewhat true, I think that much of this is merely a front. Within Mormons is a deep-seated desire and pursuit of perfection that cannot be attained without pursuing truth, and which actually brings more harm than good to their personal lives and families.
2) Second, he writes,
"A traditional Christian should only make political alliances with groups that embrace reason, ... Fortunately for Romney, Mormonism easily passes these tests."
I am not so sure that the official Mormon religious organization does this, as is shown by the videos "DNA vs. the Book of Mormon," "The Bible vs. the Book of Mormon," and "The Lost Book of Abraham" dvds, which can be viewed or found on the following websites:
http://www.mormonchallenge.com/index.htm
http://www.bookofabraham.info/
If the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints were willing to embrace reason, they would own up to these grevious errors and tell their people the truth.
3) Third of all, as a member of this organization, Romney must be uninformed or in willful denial of the various obvious errors that his religious organization espouses as truth. Can we invest such extreme trust in someone who is so deceived and lift him up as the best that we have for this nation's leadership?
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I disagree with Ron's comment that...
"A man's religious beliefs should be irrelevant!"
"Citizens shouldn't be voting on these criteria."
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Religion matters whether you have one or not because if a candidate is very dedicated to the beliefs of his or her religion and those beliefs contradict our constitution, then there will be problems if they are voted in. What about a religion that believes women should not have power? A person who is dedicated to a religion which believes that will have conflicts with others in office. And my dear friend Ron would not even know about this person's prejudice because he considers religion an "irrelevant" factor.
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Lepidopteryx-I just can't throw pearls to swine anymore. Sorry. Enough said.
May 15, 2007 3:02 PM | Report Offensive Comments
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Anon:
So are you advocating that we return to referring to left-handed people as "sinister?" After all, that was the original definition of the word.
As I said before, according to certain sects within Catholicism, Protestants aren't really Christians. Protestants consuder themselves Christians, and that's good enough for me. According to certain sects within Protestantism, Catholics aren't really Christians. Catholics consider themselves Christians, and that's good enough for me.
According to certain people who consider themselves Christian, Mormons aren't really Christians. Mormons consider themselves Christians, and that's good enough for me.
I don't presume to evaluate the status of another person's relstioship with the divine.
May 14, 2007 12:43 PM | Report Offensive Comments
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Definitions over the years have changed, been added to and have been watered down. Gay used to be defined as "merry or lively," and it did not include "of or relating to homosexuals." The word tolerance is evolving from the definition of "recognizing and respecting beliefs or practices" to "acceptance of beliefs or practices." Where would you find the original use of the word "Christian?" I don't believe it would be in the Book of Mormon published in the 1800's or in Webster's First Century Dictionary. It is in the Bible in Acts, written almost 2,000 years ago. Also, the recent definition (mentioned in a posting above) "pertaining to, or adhering to the religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ" would most certainly not include the teachings of Joseph Smith, who preached a different Jesus - not the Jesus who is THE God and ONLY God. The Mormon Jesus is not the Jesus of the New Testament. Maybe we could call him Mormon Jesus and the other Jesus of the Bible, the Christian Jesus.
May 14, 2007 12:06 AM | Report Offensive Comments
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To illustrate the difference between a Mormon and a traditional Christian (Catholic, Protestant, or Orthodox), ask the Mormom who Jesus is. Compare their answer with the traditional belief of the church and that believed by traditional Christians today. You will find that Mormon doctrine differs dramatically from that of traditional Christians (as described, for example, in Lewis' Mere Christianity). The Jesus claimed my Mormons is not the one claimed by Christians other than in name. That is the problem with Mormons claiming to be Christian.
As to whether or not to vote for Romney, I have met him and I think he is somewhat reminiscent of slick Willy and that's not a good thing.
May 13, 2007 9:43 PM | Report Offensive Comments
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This may come as a surprise to some Christians, but if the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is a cult than every Christian is a member of a cult. The definition of "Christian" from the dictionary is:
1. pertaining to, or derived from Jesus Christ or His teachings.
2. pertaining to, or adhering to the religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ.
3. of or pertaining to Chritsians.
4. exhibiting a spirit proper to a follower of Jesus Christ, as in having a loving regard for other persons.
5. a person who believes in Jesus Christ; an adherent of Christianity.
6. a person who exemplifies in his life the teachings of Christ.
Mitt Romney is running for President of the United States, not just for the Christian Nation, but for every citizen regardless of their religious beliefs or non beliefs. Stop focusing on his religion and start paying attention to what he can do for our country!
As you can see if you read these posts not everyone is voting for Mitt Romney because of his religion, but there are more so called "Christians" not voting for him because they think he is a member of a "cult". Sounds to me like those are members of a cult that are not being able to see outside their own religous belief system.
To any other group other than Christians, your "Christian religion" would be considered a cult. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is not a "Satanic cult" if that is what you are so worried about.
Focus on Mitt Romney's issues, not on his religion! That is what the separation of Church and State is all about!
May 13, 2007 9:53 AM | Report Offensive Comments
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May 12, 2007 10:28 PM | Report Offensive Comments
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Chris·tian (krschn) KEY
NOUN:
1. One who professes belief in Jesus as Christ or follows the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
According to the dictionary, Mormons are Christians. Apparently, according to other Christians, they aren't. But then again, according to certain sects of Catholicism, Protestants aren't Christians, and according to certian sects of Protestantism, Catholics aren't Christians. But then again, Jesus wasn't a Christian either, so they're all in good company.
May 12, 2007 9:27 PM | Report Offensive Comments
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Do Mormons believe Jesus IS God, Jesus IS Lord, Jesus is EQUAL to God the Father and the Holy Spirit, Jesus was in the Beginning, there is only ONE God of the ENTIRE Universe and Heavens, we will never be a god for there is only ONE GOD? These are the beliefs of the first century Christian Church. This is what put Jesus on the cross - His claim to be THE God. This is why the disciples were imprisoned, hung, tortured, and killed - their claim that Jesus was THE God.
C.S Lewis in MERE CHRISTIANITY discussed the term Christianity. He wrote “Far deeper objections may be felt-and have been expressed-against my use of the word Christian to mean one who accepts the common doctrines of Christianity. People ask: ‘who are you, to lay down who is, and who is not a Christian?’ or ‘May not many a man who cannot believe these doctrines be far more truly a Christian, far closer to the spirit of Christ, than some who do?’ Now this objection is in one sense very right, very charitable, very spiritual, very sensitive. It has every amiable quality except that of being useful. We simply cannot, without disaster, use lanaguage as these objectors want us to use it.”
Lewis goes on to write that “We must therefore stick to the original, obvious meaning. The name Christians was first given at Antioch (Acts 11:26) to ‘the disciples,’ to those who accepted the teaching of the apostles. ... The point is not a thoeological, or moral one. It is only a question of using words so that we can all understand what is being said.”
I don’t believe these Biblical “disciples” of the first century Church Lewis mentioned would accept the revelations Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon religion, made in the 1800’s. His revelations undid the Christian doctrine of the Diety of Christ.
I believe we must all get on the same page as to the definition of “Christian.” Until we do this we will be arguing in circles.
On whether we should vote or not vote for Mitt based on his religion, that is a thoughtful question we all might have to ponder in the near future. Our faith or lack of is a large part of who we are, how we live our lives, and how we influence the world. As for me, I would have trouble voting for him as I have problems with his leadership... his flip flop on abortion, the fact that he says he can't do anything to change the abortion laws when as president he is able to appoint prolife judges, his acceptance of using "unwanted" stem cells for research, and the fact that he was Governor of the ultra liberal state of Massachusetts. In fact, the Republican candidates present at the Reagan Library Debates were all mediocre at best. Is there anyone else out there? Please??
May 12, 2007 3:53 AM | Report Offensive Comments
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Only read the first few comments, so maybe this has been said before: Lepidopteryx, Mormons aren't Christians. Quit trying to argue that they are.
May 12, 2007 12:05 AM | Report Offensive Comments
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The issue is not so much Romney's being a Mormon as it is when he says he is a Christian does he mean the same thing an orthodox or traditional Christian means in claiming to be a Christian? This is not being judgmental, just establishing facts. Mormons simply do not believe in the same God and Jesus as traditional Christians do based on their doctrines. That is fact no matter how much they may say otherwise and I think that is what concerns many Christians. The fact that there is so much controversy here is evidence enough that there is some sort of problem. In our politically correct world where we have so much trouble stating facts and discussing them, many are reluctant to state that there is a difference between Mormon beliefs and traditional Christian beliefs. Having said that, I also find Romney to be very slippery in his statements on such things as stem cell research where he says that he is absolutely opposed to creating life to be destroyed for stem cell research. What he doesn't go on to say is that he is fine with destroying as much life as can be found which has been created for other purposes. I would prefer it if he would just say what he believes. He should not try to mask his position on religion or anything else with partial and misleading statements. This characteristic of Romney is very relevant and important to his character and qualifications to be our president.
May 11, 2007 10:34 PM | Report Offensive Comments
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"What a misleading title - "Should Christians vote for Mormons?" as if Mormons were not Christians."
Sorry to burst your bubble Lepid, Mormons =/= Christians. Biggest differences:
On God -
Christians: God has existed eternally in perfection, and has never had less of His infinite power and wisdom than He has today. Adam was the first created man of flesh.
Mormons: God is the Supreme Being of the universe, but he has not always held that position. He gradually attained godhood by living a perfectly righteous life
On Jesus Christ -
Christians: Jesus Christ has existed eternally as God the second Person of the Trinity, and then took on a human nature at His birth in Bethlehem. Since then He exists eternally as one Person with both divine and human natures.
Mormons: Mormonism also teaches that Jesus was the physical son of God the Father and Mary, and that there is nothing in His life more than what is attainable by anyone else.
On Salvation -
Christians: We are unable to live a life righteous enough to meet God's standard of perfect holiness. Therefore we become right with God by faith in the work of Christ, not by our own works. Baptism and holy living are acts of obedience to God, but not a means of gaining salvation (theif on the cross notsoez?).
Mormons: Forgiveness of sins requires baptism by an approved Mormon priest. The practice of baptism for the dead is an extension of this belief, in which Mormons are baptized in proxy for those who have died without proper baptism.
On the future -
Christians: The Bible only speaks of two final fates for mankind: heaven or hell. And nothing is said of advancing in status in either location.
Mormons: Although there is some form of punishment (possibly temporary) for those that are most wicked, Christ will usher in a kingdom that will consist of three levels by the end of the millennium: the celestial kingdom, the terrestrial kingdom, and the telestial kingdom. It is possible to advance within each of these kingdoms.
May 11, 2007 4:36 PM | Report Offensive Comments
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We are not electing Pastor of the United States. We are electing President of the United States. When are Christians going to wake up and realize that you probably are not going to have another George W. Bush as president. He was a somewhat outspoken Christian. We need to vote on the issues. Does the candidate agree with us on the issues? I don't care if the guy is a hindu, or an eskimo. As long as he agrees with the conservatice principles that I adhere to. As long as he/she does that they have my vote. And that is not compromising. I hear some Christian freinds of mine say that they won't vote for anyone who isn't born again. Well good luck because the likelyhood of that is pretty small. So what are these people going to do? Stay home and not vote? I hope not because than Hillary or Barak are going to win. Look at the issues not the religion.
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and judging others and telling them that they are not christian makes you not Christ like.Judge not lest ye be judged. By the mesure that you judge others will you be judged.
May 8, 2007 12:32 PM | Report Offensive Comments
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Sorry mormons. If you believe god was once a man and that faithful mormons become gods with their own planets and that there are thousands of gods in the universe, then you are not a Christian. You don't even know God's name. Being nice people and saying you believe in Jesus does not make you a Christian.
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Gaby I agree with you. If you believe in something greater than yourself, You are always trying to better yourself today than you were yesterday. This will just make you more giving, caring and compassionate.
May 7, 2007 2:00 PM | Report Offensive Comments
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Gaby:
My thoughts exactly. I don't cae if a candidate worships Ieshua, JHWH, Mithras, Zeus, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or his or her own big TOE (Theory of Everything). What I care about is whether s/he will uphold the constitution. As one person put it, you swear on a copy of the Bible to uphold the Constitution, not the other way around. And as we all know, whatever book you choose is only a photo-op prop anyway, since the actual legal oath is taken with no book, holy or secular.
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I'm not a Christian and I agree with Gaby in principle. I would pay especially close attention to the candidate's views on government neutrality among competing religions, regardless of the candidate's own religious affiliation. I would ask all the candidates their views about the Air Force Academy (which had become a kind of Jesus Camp a few years ago), the Office of Faith-Based Initiatives (which favored evangelical Christian groups over all other religious groups) and any ties by the Bush Administration to Pat Robertson's Regent University.
May 7, 2007 10:42 AM | Report Offensive Comments
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ms wrote: "They have no ability to think critically, rationally, or scientifically. A Plato, Aristotle, Kepler, Galileo, Locke, Paine, Jefferson, Franklin, Einstein, or Hawkins will never come from such a religious Empire."
You don't think so?
Stephen R. Covey
Chairman, Franklin Covey Company
J. Ralph Atkin
founder, SkyWest Airlines
Nolan D. Archibald
CEO, Black and Decker
Melvin A. Cook
chemist
Richard and Linda Eyre
family counselors
Dr. John S. Lewis
space scientist
Joseph F. Merrill
(1869 - 1952)
physicist
and many more are found at
http://famousmormons.net/
You may be suprised. There are mormons everywhere. You may even work with some. Who knows, You may even like them without even knowing it!
Now you do not think any of these people are thinkers, or rational, or scientific? They are all mormons.
And you better turn off your Comp. and throw out your TV because Philo T Farnsworth invented the TV and he was a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
May 7, 2007 9:46 AM | Report Offensive Comments
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If a person lives right, treats their family right and is an all around good person don't you think that is what we should look at? NOT HIS RELIGION!
May 5, 2007 10:06 PM | Report Offensive Comments
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I can't understand why people would view anothers religious viewpoint as a criterium for the Presidency.
Personally, I think as long as he/she uphold the tenets of the Consitutions of the United Staes he/she may be qualified.
I would vote for an Atheist, a Muslim, a Non-Sectarian, Christian, etc. in a heartheat as long as they would assure the freedon and prosperity of this county.
Why on earth is religion even a component of electing the President?
May 5, 2007 8:19 PM | Report Offensive Comments
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William Wells, you are absolutely right. Mormonism is a distinct religion and not just another denomination within Christianity. Mormons may say that their religion is the "restored" christian church but that does not make it a christian church. The Koran also speaks of Jesus and lavishes praise on Him but that does not make Islam a christian denomination.
If Mormonism was just "another" christian denomination, why do mormon missionaries still witness to christians? If I meet a fellow christian who goes to a different church then mine, I may invite him/her to come worship with us one day but I would certainly not feel the urge to witness to them or try to convince that my church was the only one true church.
May 5, 2007 6:46 PM | Report Offensive Comments
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To those who are uneducated in the matters of theology and yet willing to comment, Mormonism is entirely distinct from Christianity. One would not call Islam, Hari Krishna or Unitarianism denominations of Christianity simply because they mention Jesus. As the holder of undergraduate degrees in Philosophy and Biblical & Theological Studies from Biola University I feel confident in the generally accepted assessment that Mormonism is distinct from Christianity. To say otherwise is the mark of a poor education. In fact, I am somewhat disturbed at many of the hyperbolic and unfounded generalizations that have occurred in this thread.
Because much of politics is grounded on ethical considerations, I believe understanding the rational and guiding principles for a presidential candidates morality is one of many important considerations. This is not to say that one should vote for someone who shares all of their same beliefs. For example, I might fight an athiest candidate more appealing that a Christian candidate because he/she may be better qualified or have a track record of greater success. But it would be foolhardy to say that the a person's personal convictions/belief system is irrelevant in a position like president of the United States.
May 5, 2007 3:36 AM | Report Offensive Comments
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Unfortunately our current President is also the Chief Priest. Lets not go there again- please....
May 4, 2007 8:57 PM | Report Offensive Comments
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TC - We are electing a president, not a chief priest.
Nicely said.
May 4, 2007 4:26 PM | Report Offensive Comments
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Carol Ferguson - Personally I would rather elect a president a leader with a forward outlook on the future of not just America but the world at large. With an eye of faith in spiritual things, with a bigger picture veiw of the common good of man.
It seems you are implying that those without faith and a belief in god might have a more narrow worldview. I find that many people who are not overtly religious often have a larger worldview. It is also often assumed that those with faith are more moral and that without a belief in Jesus Christ, one is likely to be a nihilist, without a moral rudder. Is this your view?
One other thing; you state your choice for a leader with a forward outlook for the world at large. Would it be your intention that we should promote American values or your idea of American values? Mormons are very evangelical in their attempts to convert non-believers. I actually