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All the political and talk radio people claiming Huckabee should have dropped out for the "good" of the party, were wrong.

Apparently, Romney should have dropped out and supported Huckabee...then we would have a 2 man race with the states going for Romney on Tuesday going for Huckabee and the states that split the conservative vote between Romney and Huckabee (thus losing to McCain) would have gone to Huckabee and not McCain, thus putting Huckabee in the lead.

People just don't listen to media types when they vote - they all vote their convictions and values no matter where they come from.

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What in the world is a "traditional" Christian? You are either a Christian (a follower of the biblical Christ) or you are not. You, obviously are someone that believes that Mormons are Christians...I would agree that they are a people that have strong family values and have I guess, "played by the Republican" rules and for that reason, I may be forced to have to vote for Mitt Romney. I have to admit that I do agree with a lot of his views. I don't believe that he will deliver on all of his ideas and he is a bit of a panderer...but who isn't in this race. But, let's at least call him what he is: and this a Mormon, which is not a Christian. If you disagree, then please....please...do your research and please don't set up a website stating things that are simply not true.

What in the world is a "traditional" Christian? You are either a Christian (a follower of the biblical Christ) or you are not. You, obviously are someone that believes that Mormons are Christians...I would agree that they are a people that have strong family values and have I guess, "played by the Republican" rules and for that reason, I may be forced to have to vote for Mitt Romney. I have to admit that I do agree with a lot of his views. I don't believe that he will deliver on all of his ideas and he is a bit of a panderer...but who isn't in this race. But, let's at least call him what he is: and this a Mormon, which is not Christian. If you disagree, then please....please...do your research and please don't set up a website stating things that are simply not true.

What in the world is a "traditional" Christian? You are either a Christian (a follower of the biblical Christ) or you are not. You, obviously are someone that believes that Mormons are Christians...I would agree that they are a people that have strong family values and have I guess, "played by the Republican" rules and for that reason, I may be forced to have to vote for Mitt Romney. I have to admit that I do agree with a lot of his views. I don't believe that he will deliver on all of his ideas and he is a bit of a panderer...but who isn't in this race. But, let's at least call him what he is: and this a Mormon, which is not Christian. If you disagree, then please....please...do your research and please don't set up a website stating things that are simply not true.

I wonder if John Mark would vote for a Muslim (those peace loving ones we hear about on the news, of course) or a Wiccan? Of course, being a follower of Hugh Hewitt he will likely take the ad hoc, desperate view that only "mainstream' religions are allowed.

Also, why should Christians not put the Kingdom of God first rather than politics? In other words, maybe a Christian thinks that putting a Mormon in office would tend to "normalize" the religion and thereby cause problems for the growth of the kingdom.

Another thing, isn't Reynolds tacitly assuming that a persons religion would make no difference to the way they live, think, govern, etc.? For example, as a Christian wouldn't he rather have a Christian who is guided by the Spirit in office than a Mormon? I suspect Reynolds does think, being an evangelical himself, that in his life the Spirit is active and guiding, but apparently in a presidents life that is just not a big deal.

Finally, can Reynolds and his leader (Hewitt) please stop calling everyone who disagrees with them 'bigots'--it is really tiring--dial back the rhetoric--think you could do that JMR? I appreciate you have a certain minimalist political philosophy regarding religion and politics--don't force it on other by pressuring them with name-calling! It is perfectly fine, it seems to me, for a Christian to take all of their faith into account when deciding whom to vote for. It just may be that while not voting for someone based on race or sex is bigotry that not voting for them based on religion is not bigotry--especailly if we reject the secular notion that religions are somehow equal.

I wonder if John Mark would vote for a Muslim (those peace loving ones we hear about on the news, of course) or a Wiccan? Of course, being a follower of Hugh Hewitt he will likely take the ad hoc, desperate view that only "mainstream' religions are allowed.

Also, why should Christians not put the Kingdom of God first rather than politics? In other words, maybe a Christian thinks that putting a Mormon in office would tend to "normalize" the religion and thereby cause problems for the growth of the kingdom.

Another thing, isn't Reynolds tacitly assuming that a persons religion would make no difference to the way they live, think, govern, etc.? For example, as a Christian wouldn't he rather have a Christian who is guided by the Spirit in office than a Mormon? I suspect Reynolds does think, being an evangelical himself, that in his life the Spirit is active and guiding, but apparently in a presidents life that is just not a big deal.

Finally, can Reynolds and his leader (Hewitt) please stop calling everyone who disagrees with them 'bigots'--it is really tiring--dial back the rhetoric--think you could do that JMR? I appreciate you have a certain minimalist political philosophy regarding religion and politics--don't force it on other by pressuring them with name-calling! It is perfectly fine, it seems to me, for a Christian to take all of their faith into account when deciding whom to vote for. It just may be that while not voting for someone based on race or sex is bigotry that not voting for them based on religion is not bigotry--especailly if we reject the secular notion that religions are somehow equal.

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I have three main objections to Mr. Reynolds, which may be significant to those of you who read this as well.

1) first of all, he states,
"The LDS Church has a remarkable record of care for others and support for family values." "However, a review of social statistics in the state of Utah, which is at least 76 percent Mormon, shows that the rates of divorce, child abuse, teenage pregnancy, and suicide are above the national average and climbing" (Martin, 2003, p. 195).

Though Mormons are decent people and this is somewhat true, I think that much of this is merely a front. Within Mormons is a deep-seated desire and pursuit of perfection that cannot be attained without pursuing truth, and which actually brings more harm than good to their personal lives and families.

2) Second, he writes,
"A traditional Christian should only make political alliances with groups that embrace reason, ... Fortunately for Romney, Mormonism easily passes these tests."

I am not so sure that the official Mormon religious organization does this, as is shown by the videos "DNA vs. the Book of Mormon," "The Bible vs. the Book of Mormon," and "The Lost Book of Abraham" dvds, which can be viewed or found on the following websites:

http://www.mormonchallenge.com/index.htm
http://www.bookofabraham.info/

If the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints were willing to embrace reason, they would own up to these grevious errors and tell their people the truth.

3) Third of all, as a member of this organization, Romney must be uninformed or in willful denial of the various obvious errors that his religious organization espouses as truth. Can we invest such extreme trust in someone who is so deceived and lift him up as the best that we have for this nation's leadership?

I have three main objections to Mr. Reynolds, which may be significant to those of you who read this as well.

1) first of all, he states,
"The LDS Church has a remarkable record of care for others and support for family values." "However, a review of social statistics in the state of Utah, which is at least 76 percent Mormon, shows that the rates of divorce, child abuse, teenage pregnancy, and suicide are above the national average and climbing" (Martin, 2003, p. 195).

Though Mormons are decent people and this is somewhat true, I think that much of this is merely a front. Within Mormons is a deep-seated desire and pursuit of perfection that cannot be attained without pursuing truth, and which actually brings more harm than good to their personal lives and families.

2) Second, he writes,
"A traditional Christian should only make political alliances with groups that embrace reason, ... Fortunately for Romney, Mormonism easily passes these tests."

I am not so sure that the official Mormon religious organization does this, as is shown by the videos "DNA vs. the Book of Mormon," "The Bible vs. the Book of Mormon," and "The Lost Book of Abraham" dvds, which can be viewed or found on the following websites:

http://www.mormonchallenge.com/index.htm
http://www.bookofabraham.info/

If the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints were willing to embrace reason, they would own up to these grevious errors and tell their people the truth.

3) Third of all, as a member of this organization, Romney must be uninformed or in willful denial of the various obvious errors that his religious organization espouses as truth. Can we invest such extreme trust in someone who is so deceived and lift him up as the best that we have for this nation's leadership?

I have three main objections to Mr. Reynolds, which may be significant to those of you who read this as well.

1) first of all, he states,
"The LDS Church has a remarkable record of care for others and support for family values." "However, a review of social statistics in the state of Utah, which is at least 76 percent Mormon, shows that the rates of divorce, child abuse, teenage pregnancy, and suicide are above the national average and climbing" (Martin, 2003, p. 195).

Though Mormons are decent people and this is somewhat true, I think that much of this is merely a front. Within Mormons is a deep-seated desire and pursuit of perfection that cannot be attained without pursuing truth, and which actually brings more harm than good to their personal lives and families.

2) Second, he writes,
"A traditional Christian should only make political alliances with groups that embrace reason, ... Fortunately for Romney, Mormonism easily passes these tests."

I am not so sure that the official Mormon religious organization does this, as is shown by the videos "DNA vs. the Book of Mormon," "The Bible vs. the Book of Mormon," and "The Lost Book of Abraham" dvds, which can be viewed or found on the following websites:

http://www.mormonchallenge.com/index.htm
http://www.bookofabraham.info/

If the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints were willing to embrace reason, they would own up to these grevious errors and tell their people the truth.

3) Third of all, as a member of this organization, Romney must be uninformed or in willful denial of the various obvious errors that his religious organization espouses as truth. Can we invest such extreme trust in someone who is so deceived and lift him up as the best that we have for this nation's leadership?

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I disagree with Ron's comment that...
"A man's religious beliefs should be irrelevant!"
"Citizens shouldn't be voting on these criteria."
....
Religion matters whether you have one or not because if a candidate is very dedicated to the beliefs of his or her religion and those beliefs contradict our constitution, then there will be problems if they are voted in. What about a religion that believes women should not have power? A person who is dedicated to a religion which believes that will have conflicts with others in office. And my dear friend Ron would not even know about this person's prejudice because he considers religion an "irrelevant" factor.

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Lepidopteryx-I just can't throw pearls to swine anymore. Sorry. Enough said.

Anon:
So are you advocating that we return to referring to left-handed people as "sinister?" After all, that was the original definition of the word.
As I said before, according to certain sects within Catholicism, Protestants aren't really Christians. Protestants consuder themselves Christians, and that's good enough for me. According to certain sects within Protestantism, Catholics aren't really Christians. Catholics consider themselves Christians, and that's good enough for me.
According to certain people who consider themselves Christian, Mormons aren't really Christians. Mormons consider themselves Christians, and that's good enough for me.
I don't presume to evaluate the status of another person's relstioship with the divine.

Definitions over the years have changed, been added to and have been watered down. Gay used to be defined as "merry or lively," and it did not include "of or relating to homosexuals." The word tolerance is evolving from the definition of "recognizing and respecting beliefs or practices" to "acceptance of beliefs or practices." Where would you find the original use of the word "Christian?" I don't believe it would be in the Book of Mormon published in the 1800's or in Webster's First Century Dictionary. It is in the Bible in Acts, written almost 2,000 years ago. Also, the recent definition (mentioned in a posting above) "pertaining to, or adhering to the religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ" would most certainly not include the teachings of Joseph Smith, who preached a different Jesus - not the Jesus who is THE God and ONLY God. The Mormon Jesus is not the Jesus of the New Testament. Maybe we could call him Mormon Jesus and the other Jesus of the Bible, the Christian Jesus.

To illustrate the difference between a Mormon and a traditional Christian (Catholic, Protestant, or Orthodox), ask the Mormom who Jesus is. Compare their answer with the traditional belief of the church and that believed by traditional Christians today. You will find that Mormon doctrine differs dramatically from that of traditional Christians (as described, for example, in Lewis' Mere Christianity). The Jesus claimed my Mormons is not the one claimed by Christians other than in name. That is the problem with Mormons claiming to be Christian.

As to whether or not to vote for Romney, I have met him and I think he is somewhat reminiscent of slick Willy and that's not a good thing.

This may come as a surprise to some Christians, but if the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is a cult than every Christian is a member of a cult. The definition of "Christian" from the dictionary is:
1. pertaining to, or derived from Jesus Christ or His teachings.
2. pertaining to, or adhering to the religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ.
3. of or pertaining to Chritsians.
4. exhibiting a spirit proper to a follower of Jesus Christ, as in having a loving regard for other persons.
5. a person who believes in Jesus Christ; an adherent of Christianity.
6. a person who exemplifies in his life the teachings of Christ.

Mitt Romney is running for President of the United States, not just for the Christian Nation, but for every citizen regardless of their religious beliefs or non beliefs. Stop focusing on his religion and start paying attention to what he can do for our country!

As you can see if you read these posts not everyone is voting for Mitt Romney because of his religion, but there are more so called "Christians" not voting for him because they think he is a member of a "cult". Sounds to me like those are members of a cult that are not being able to see outside their own religous belief system.

To any other group other than Christians, your "Christian religion" would be considered a cult. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is not a "Satanic cult" if that is what you are so worried about.

Focus on Mitt Romney's issues, not on his religion! That is what the separation of Church and State is all about!

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Mike T and NATE:
Chris·tian (krschn) KEY

NOUN:

1. One who professes belief in Jesus as Christ or follows the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.

According to the dictionary, Mormons are Christians. Apparently, according to other Christians, they aren't. But then again, according to certain sects of Catholicism, Protestants aren't Christians, and according to certian sects of Protestantism, Catholics aren't Christians. But then again, Jesus wasn't a Christian either, so they're all in good company.

Do Mormons believe Jesus IS God, Jesus IS Lord, Jesus is EQUAL to God the Father and the Holy Spirit, Jesus was in the Beginning, there is only ONE God of the ENTIRE Universe and Heavens, we will never be a god for there is only ONE GOD? These are the beliefs of the first century Christian Church. This is what put Jesus on the cross - His claim to be THE God. This is why the disciples were imprisoned, hung, tortured, and killed - their claim that Jesus was THE God.
C.S Lewis in MERE CHRISTIANITY discussed the term Christianity. He wrote “Far deeper objections may be felt-and have been expressed-against my use of the word Christian to mean one who accepts the common doctrines of Christianity. People ask: ‘who are you, to lay down who is, and who is not a Christian?’ or ‘May not many a man who cannot believe these doctrines be far more truly a Christian, far closer to the spirit of Christ, than some who do?’ Now this objection is in one sense very right, very charitable, very spiritual, very sensitive. It has every amiable quality except that of being useful. We simply cannot, without disaster, use lanaguage as these objectors want us to use it.”
Lewis goes on to write that “We must therefore stick to the original, obvious meaning. The name Christians was first given at Antioch (Acts 11:26) to ‘the disciples,’ to those who accepted the teaching of the apostles. ... The point is not a thoeological, or moral one. It is only a question of using words so that we can all understand what is being said.”
I don’t believe these Biblical “disciples” of the first century Church Lewis mentioned would accept the revelations Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon religion, made in the 1800’s. His revelations undid the Christian doctrine of the Diety of Christ.
I believe we must all get on the same page as to the definition of “Christian.” Until we do this we will be arguing in circles.

On whether we should vote or not vote for Mitt based on his religion, that is a thoughtful question we all might have to ponder in the near future. Our faith or lack of is a large part of who we are, how we live our lives, and how we influence the world. As for me, I would have trouble voting for him as I have problems with his leadership... his flip flop on abortion, the fact that he says he can't do anything to change the abortion laws when as president he is able to appoint prolife judges, his acceptance of using "unwanted" stem cells for research, and the fact that he was Governor of the ultra liberal state of Massachusetts. In fact, the Republican candidates present at the Reagan Library Debates were all mediocre at best. Is there anyone else out there? Please??

Only read the first few comments, so maybe this has been said before: Lepidopteryx, Mormons aren't Christians. Quit trying to argue that they are.

The issue is not so much Romney's being a Mormon as it is when he says he is a Christian does he mean the same thing an orthodox or traditional Christian means in claiming to be a Christian? This is not being judgmental, just establishing facts. Mormons simply do not believe in the same God and Jesus as traditional Christians do based on their doctrines. That is fact no matter how much they may say otherwise and I think that is what concerns many Christians. The fact that there is so much controversy here is evidence enough that there is some sort of problem. In our politically correct world where we have so much trouble stating facts and discussing them, many are reluctant to state that there is a difference between Mormon beliefs and traditional Christian beliefs. Having said that, I also find Romney to be very slippery in his statements on such things as stem cell research where he says that he is absolutely opposed to creating life to be destroyed for stem cell research. What he doesn't go on to say is that he is fine with destroying as much life as can be found which has been created for other purposes. I would prefer it if he would just say what he believes. He should not try to mask his position on religion or anything else with partial and misleading statements. This characteristic of Romney is very relevant and important to his character and qualifications to be our president.

"What a misleading title - "Should Christians vote for Mormons?" as if Mormons were not Christians."

Sorry to burst your bubble Lepid, Mormons =/= Christians. Biggest differences:

On God -
Christians: God has existed eternally in perfection, and has never had less of His infinite power and wisdom than He has today. Adam was the first created man of flesh.
Mormons: God is the Supreme Being of the universe, but he has not always held that position. He gradually attained godhood by living a perfectly righteous life

On Jesus Christ -
Christians: Jesus Christ has existed eternally as God the second Person of the Trinity, and then took on a human nature at His birth in Bethlehem. Since then He exists eternally as one Person with both divine and human natures.
Mormons: Mormonism also teaches that Jesus was the physical son of God the Father and Mary, and that there is nothing in His life more than what is attainable by anyone else.

On Salvation -
Christians: We are unable to live a life righteous enough to meet God's standard of perfect holiness. Therefore we become right with God by faith in the work of Christ, not by our own works. Baptism and holy living are acts of obedience to God, but not a means of gaining salvation (theif on the cross notsoez?).
Mormons: Forgiveness of sins requires baptism by an approved Mormon priest. The practice of baptism for the dead is an extension of this belief, in which Mormons are baptized in proxy for those who have died without proper baptism.

On the future -
Christians: The Bible only speaks of two final fates for mankind: heaven or hell. And nothing is said of advancing in status in either location.
Mormons: Although there is some form of punishment (possibly temporary) for those that are most wicked, Christ will usher in a kingdom that will consist of three levels by the end of the millennium: the celestial kingdom, the terrestrial kingdom, and the telestial kingdom. It is possible to advance within each of these kingdoms.

We are not electing Pastor of the United States. We are electing President of the United States. When are Christians going to wake up and realize that you probably are not going to have another George W. Bush as president. He was a somewhat outspoken Christian. We need to vote on the issues. Does the candidate agree with us on the issues? I don't care if the guy is a hindu, or an eskimo. As long as he agrees with the conservatice principles that I adhere to. As long as he/she does that they have my vote. And that is not compromising. I hear some Christian freinds of mine say that they won't vote for anyone who isn't born again. Well good luck because the likelyhood of that is pretty small. So what are these people going to do? Stay home and not vote? I hope not because than Hillary or Barak are going to win. Look at the issues not the religion.

and judging others and telling them that they are not christian makes you not Christ like.Judge not lest ye be judged. By the mesure that you judge others will you be judged.

Sorry mormons. If you believe god was once a man and that faithful mormons become gods with their own planets and that there are thousands of gods in the universe, then you are not a Christian. You don't even know God's name. Being nice people and saying you believe in Jesus does not make you a Christian.

Gaby I agree with you. If you believe in something greater than yourself, You are always trying to better yourself today than you were yesterday. This will just make you more giving, caring and compassionate.

Gaby:

My thoughts exactly. I don't cae if a candidate worships Ieshua, JHWH, Mithras, Zeus, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or his or her own big TOE (Theory of Everything). What I care about is whether s/he will uphold the constitution. As one person put it, you swear on a copy of the Bible to uphold the Constitution, not the other way around. And as we all know, whatever book you choose is only a photo-op prop anyway, since the actual legal oath is taken with no book, holy or secular.

I'm not a Christian and I agree with Gaby in principle. I would pay especially close attention to the candidate's views on government neutrality among competing religions, regardless of the candidate's own religious affiliation. I would ask all the candidates their views about the Air Force Academy (which had become a kind of Jesus Camp a few years ago), the Office of Faith-Based Initiatives (which favored evangelical Christian groups over all other religious groups) and any ties by the Bush Administration to Pat Robertson's Regent University.

ms wrote: "They have no ability to think critically, rationally, or scientifically. A Plato, Aristotle, Kepler, Galileo, Locke, Paine, Jefferson, Franklin, Einstein, or Hawkins will never come from such a religious Empire."

You don't think so?

Stephen R. Covey
Chairman, Franklin Covey Company

J. Ralph Atkin
founder, SkyWest Airlines

Nolan D. Archibald
CEO, Black and Decker

Melvin A. Cook
chemist

Richard and Linda Eyre
family counselors

Dr. John S. Lewis
space scientist

Joseph F. Merrill
(1869 - 1952)
physicist

and many more are found at

http://famousmormons.net/
You may be suprised. There are mormons everywhere. You may even work with some. Who knows, You may even like them without even knowing it!

Now you do not think any of these people are thinkers, or rational, or scientific? They are all mormons.

And you better turn off your Comp. and throw out your TV because Philo T Farnsworth invented the TV and he was a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints

If a person lives right, treats their family right and is an all around good person don't you think that is what we should look at? NOT HIS RELIGION!

I can't understand why people would view anothers religious viewpoint as a criterium for the Presidency.

Personally, I think as long as he/she uphold the tenets of the Consitutions of the United Staes he/she may be qualified.

I would vote for an Atheist, a Muslim, a Non-Sectarian, Christian, etc. in a heartheat as long as they would assure the freedon and prosperity of this county.

Why on earth is religion even a component of electing the President?

William Wells, you are absolutely right. Mormonism is a distinct religion and not just another denomination within Christianity. Mormons may say that their religion is the "restored" christian church but that does not make it a christian church. The Koran also speaks of Jesus and lavishes praise on Him but that does not make Islam a christian denomination.
If Mormonism was just "another" christian denomination, why do mormon missionaries still witness to christians? If I meet a fellow christian who goes to a different church then mine, I may invite him/her to come worship with us one day but I would certainly not feel the urge to witness to them or try to convince that my church was the only one true church.

To those who are uneducated in the matters of theology and yet willing to comment, Mormonism is entirely distinct from Christianity. One would not call Islam, Hari Krishna or Unitarianism denominations of Christianity simply because they mention Jesus. As the holder of undergraduate degrees in Philosophy and Biblical & Theological Studies from Biola University I feel confident in the generally accepted assessment that Mormonism is distinct from Christianity. To say otherwise is the mark of a poor education. In fact, I am somewhat disturbed at many of the hyperbolic and unfounded generalizations that have occurred in this thread.

Because much of politics is grounded on ethical considerations, I believe understanding the rational and guiding principles for a presidential candidates morality is one of many important considerations. This is not to say that one should vote for someone who shares all of their same beliefs. For example, I might fight an athiest candidate more appealing that a Christian candidate because he/she may be better qualified or have a track record of greater success. But it would be foolhardy to say that the a person's personal convictions/belief system is irrelevant in a position like president of the United States.

Unfortunately our current President is also the Chief Priest. Lets not go there again- please....

TC - We are electing a president, not a chief priest.

Nicely said.

Carol Ferguson - Personally I would rather elect a president a leader with a forward outlook on the future of not just America but the world at large. With an eye of faith in spiritual things, with a bigger picture veiw of the common good of man.

It seems you are implying that those without faith and a belief in god might have a more narrow worldview. I find that many people who are not overtly religious often have a larger worldview. It is also often assumed that those with faith are more moral and that without a belief in Jesus Christ, one is likely to be a nihilist, without a moral rudder. Is this your view?

One other thing; you state your choice for a leader with a forward outlook for the world at large. Would it be your intention that we should promote American values or your idea of American values? Mormons are very evangelical in their attempts to convert non-believers. I actually find this very offensive and chauvinistic. It implies that LDS is a better religion than other religions or no religion at all. Would you promote such a view?

In answer to the question from the Blog: will traditional christians vote for Romney given that he is a mormon? This traditional christian won't because I believe that Mormonism is a cult that can be harmful to its follower. Yes, I have read the Book of Mormon and still have a copy. Yes I have been visited by mormon missonaries and have had a chance to discuss doctrine with them. So I do not speak out of ignorance. And I believe that in many ways the mormon church fits into the description of a cult.
Having said that, I would have no problem voting for a non christian whose views reflect mine(and I definitely did NOT vote for W either time). I would vote for Elliot Spitzer in a heartbeat if he runs. I would vote for an atheist if I agree with his/her views and find him/her to be a moral person. I totally believe in separation of church and state. Jesus told us that His Kingdom is not of this world and to render onto Ceasar what is to Ceaser and render onto God what is to God and I believe in the wisdom of these statements with all my heart. We are electing a president, not a chief priest.

I would love to hear from people of Massachusetts. Did he do a good job as governor? Did he force his religion on you? Was he concerned with the well being of the people of your state? Did he have a concern for the homeless? Please let me know if he did a good job as governor of your state?

Don't you think we should be looking at how he was as a governor and not just at his religion and putting his religion under a microscope, according to all the negative you have heard about what other people think about Mormons?

I am LDS, but I won't be voting for Mitt Romney. Why? Because he doesn't support the policies that I would want my President to support. Do you see what I am doing? I am voting for a President who supports policies that are important to me, and will run the country in a way that I think is best for the country. It makes no difference as to what religion a politician is, what matters is what they have and will do when governing.

People who are discounting Romney simply because he is a Mormon are the worst kind of voters. They are the kind who use superficial measures to determine who they vote for (whether it is: do they seem like a nice guy, would I have a beer with him, is he saved, does he support the one issue that is important to me and trumps all others etc etc). These are the kinds of voters that are ruining our country. If we want to be citizens, we need to be educated and really do our homework about who we are voting for. What policies are they advocating, and what will they likely do in office. All else is superficial nonsense.

oldhonky you wrote:

Mitt Romney's father, George Romney, was a progressive Republican four decades ago. He was an effective automobile company leader (American Motors) and Michigan governor. In later life, he was one of the Mormon church*s governing body of twelve elders.

The polotician and the man in the body of twelve were two different people! the first was George Romney and is Mitt's father the second was Marion Romney who was Mitts uncle.

"Does Sciencetology compete with Mormons for members, especially well-off folks?"

No. Why do you ask?

Ayone see that movie "Man of the Year" with Robin Williams? I'd vote for that guy!

In my opinion, if a Christian would not vote for Mitt Romney because he is a Mormon I don't see how they could be considered a Christian. If they choose not to vote for him because they are a democrat or don't believe he could be a good leader for our country that's understandable.

Perhaps one of the best things Mitt Romney has already done for this country is get people to communicate with each other regardless of their religious beliefs or non beliefs or their political views. He has inspired deliberative dialogue not debate. I'm impressed with how respectfull these comments have been even when someone disagrees. This is what our country needs!

Just from what I have seen and heard so far I believe Mitt Romney could return control to the people of this country, not just the politicians in Washington DC. He is inspiring us to communicate with each other. We are not arguing we are sharing our opinions. That is what has been missing in our government for so many years.

Don't vote for him or not vote for him because he is a Mormon, vote for him because so far he is the best canidate for President we have!

As a practicing Australian Latter Day Saint I was most interested to read all of your comments posted here rgarding Mitt Rommney and his presidential aspirations and whether it should matter if he was a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormon)
It would seem to me as a non voter in your elections that you should vote for the best man for the job.Obviously you have not done that for many years,so now why should you change?Candidates in the US seem to get elected not by their political adroitness but by who can raise the most money to finance their political campaigns. When the US gives an equal opportunity for all persons to run for office then you will get the best person to run your wonderful country. We non Americans look at the USA to lead the "free world" ( Whatever that means) and you should vote for a person who typifies the freedom outlined in the Constitution.We LDS believe that the writers of the Declaration of Independance were inspired by God to enshrine in this document how a society should live. (I am not so sure about your right to bear arms but that is another matter)The US voter should vote for a man whose moral convictions are strong and right and who has a caring atitude for the very poorest and needing citizen.His religious affiliation should have nothing to do with how you vote.If you remember the parable of the good Samaritan. Jesus chose the person least likely to be a good neighbour in the eyes of the Jews.The Jews looked upon the Samaritans as the lowest of the low.I always vote for the calbre of the man rather than his party.You maybe will somehow end up with a leadership of good men and women be they Jew,gentile or even Mormon. Good luck in trying to decide who is what.

Bot that was very articulate and accuratly done. I loved your post of critical examination of Past and present Chrisitanity.

I think what bothers mainstream christians most about the LDS Church is that the very miracle of faith, the birth of it thru revelation, vision, and spiritual embodiment is so young as it hasn't had a chance to slip off into the dark night of forgetfullness were upon people can question the posibility of the happinings that surounded birth of their own religion, and by forgetting they can launch a full scale attack into wether its tenents are valid, and truthful or even justified to excuse their own apathy and lack of beleif. Jesus had told the people of his town because of their lack of faith they would receive no sign except the sign of Jonah. Indeed so lacking was the faith of these people of his home town that he refused even to do a miracle in that town. How sad a state to be in that the lord would not so much as give them a ray of hope. So maybe today the general attitude that prevails against the LDS is that they no longer have the faith the beleif that was present in the first century when all these miraculas things were going on. They have dwindled in disbeleif because time has made them proud of their history and forgetful of its beginnings. Becoming as the people Jesus spoke to proud of their state of being rather then in the miracle of their birth.

The LDS is rich in reminders of how God anciently spoke to his creation, thru prophets, visionaries, and preisthoods, miracles and angelic hosts that parted a word with us. Could it be? just could it be so, that in this day in age we have come to a time with so widespread a disbelief of such happenings that we can't even give it a credible pause for thought. Was Jesus right in asking of the future generations? Will there be faith in the earth? Are we hearing it said time and again how foolish and childish it is to believe in such? And yet did not Jesus say unless you be like one of these little ones you can by no means enter into the kingdom. A warning for all of us doubting thinkers don't go so far as to crash your ship of hope. It may seem like a superman story or a marvel comic impossibility but it is real and it did and I will go on record of being a child to say and will happen today and forever more. God does not change in his dealings.

Personally I would rather elect a president a leader with a forward outlook on the future of not just America but the world at large. With an eye of faith in spiritual things, with a bigger picture veiw of the common good of man. Perhaps such a person would be less likely to act rashley if he has the faith that God does indeed have our well being in mind from beginning to end. As his faith is fresher in his mind considering that he hasn't lost the memory of its miraculas birth.

Maurie Beck:

To answer your question, after the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) and the Evangelicals, the next most religious teenagers were Mainline Protestants, followed by Catholics, Jews, and then Atheist teens.

The questions were asked in a non-perjorative form. A belief in Jesus Christ was not a factor, but rather beliefs and practices of faith. Chrisian Smith of UNC-Chapel Hill conducted the study.

Mormonism is to Christianity as Christianity is to Judaism. Throughout history, religions do not start from scratch but incorporate and add to an existing religion usually by means of a messenger from God: such as Abraham, Jesus, Mohammed, and Joseph Smith. There is also an associated sacred book. Just as Christianity took Judaism and added significant aspects to it then Mormonism took most of Christianity and added considerably to it. The Muslim religion also built upon earlier monotheism religions. The followers of the original religion usually consider these additions to be false. If Mormons are Christians then by the same logic Christians are Jewish (in the religious sense). Since it was founded in relatively recent times Mormonism offers good incite into the origins of religions.

Of course, Mitt Romney should be evaluated only on his record, character, political beliefs and proposals. To bring in religion invites all sorts of problems. I end with some questions not often asked. Why is it so easy to find significant flaws in other peoples religion no matter which one is yours? Since religion requires faith, how does one recognize the true one? Can they all really be equivalent? How does one separate a true prophet from a false one? Was Joseph Smith, Jr. a true prophet of God? Why or why not? Does it matter?

One of the central tenets of the Mormon faith is that the Christian church is an abomination. A little research would have uncovered this indisputable fact. So no, Christians have no business voting for a Mormon.

Some of the comments here are very funny and some really made sense to me. I salute to LDS kids and theirs parents who support them. They will be great future leaders of America.

Bot,

Where would a god-fearing atheist like myself rank in your table above? Some of the things you consider positive and important, obviously are meaningless to me. Perhaps I'll get lucky and have an after-death baptism.

Could members of the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) be more "Christian" than Evangelicals? . . Protestants and Catholics subscribe to the Nicene creed, which was initiated by the Emperor Constantine in the Fourth Century to rid Scriptures of the Apocrypha, some of which made reference to the oral traditions of Jewish and early Christian temple worship.

First Century Christian churches, in fact, continued the Jewish temple worship traditions:
1) Baptism of youth (not infants) by immersion by the father of the family
2) Lay clergy
3) Anointing with holy oil after baptism
4) Then clothing in white clothing

A First Century Christian Church has been re-constructed at the Israeli Museum, and the above can be verified. . And read Exodus Ch 29 for Aaron and his sons” ordinances. . Jewish Temple practices were continued by Christians prior to Constantine”s corruption [see St. Cyril of Jerusalem (315-386 A.D.) Lecture XXI]. . . Early Christians were persecuted for keeping their practices sacred, and not allowing non-Christians to witness them

A literal reading of the New Testament points to God and Jesus Christ being separate beings, united in purpose. . To whom was Jesus praying in Gethsemane, and Who was speaking to Him and his apostles on the Mount of Transfiguration?

The Nicene Creed”s definition of the Trinity was influenced by scribes translating the Greek manuscripts into Latin. The scribes embellished on a passage explaining the Trinity, which is the Catholic and Protestant belief that God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The oldest versions of the epistle of 1 John, read: "There are three that bear witness: the Spirit, the water and the blood and these three are one."
Scribes later added "the Father, the Word and the Spirit," and it remained in the epistle when it was translated into English for the King James Version, according to Dr. Bart Ehrman, Chairman of the Religion Department at UNC- Chapel Hill. . . .He no longer believes in the Nicene Trinity.

Members of the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) have concern for their ancestors” spiritual welfare, so they practice proxy baptism. (1 Corinthians 15:29 & Malachi 4:5-6).

Only members of the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) continue these practices of First Century Christians. But Mormons don”t term Catholics and Protestants “non-Christian”. The dictionary definition of a Christian is “of, pertaining to, believing in, or belonging to a religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ”:. All of the above denominations are followers of Christ, and consider him the Messiah foretold in the Old Testament.

It”s important to understand the difference between Reformation and Restoration when we consider who might be the more authentic Christian. If members of the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) embrace early Christian theology, they are likely more “Christian” than their detractors.

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And the National Study of Youth and Religion done by UNC-Chapel Hill in 2005 found that Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) youth (ages 13 to 17) were more likely to exhibit these Christian characteristics than Evangelicals (the next most observant group):
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . LDS Evangelical
Attend Religious Services weekly . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 71% . . . . 55%
Importance of Religious Faith in shaping daily life –
extremely important . . . 52. . . . . . 28
Believes in life after death . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 76 . . . . . . 62
Believes in psychics or fortune-tellers . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . 5
Has taught religious education classes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 42 . . . . . . 28
Has fasted or denied something as spiritual discipline . . . . . . . . . . . .68 . . . . . . 22
Sabbath Observance . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 67 . . . . . . 40
Shared religious faith with someone not of their faith . . . . . . . . . . . . 72 . . . . . . 56
Family talks about God, scriptures, prayer daily . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 50 . . . . . . 19
Supportiveness of church for parent in trying to raise teen
(very supportive) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .65 . . . . . . 26
Church congregation has done an excellent job in helping
Teens better understand their own sexuality and sexual morality . . . 84 . . . . . . 35

Dear Kurt R -

Neither Romney nor Giuliani has a chance of becoming the Republic candidate in '08. They will both be killed off by the Xians in the party.

The only viable NATIONAL candidate they have right now is Duncan Hunter, and his pissy grimace won't go far with voters in a general election.

Whoever the Rs nominate, he will be slaughtered in 08 along with many Rs in Congress, and all because they hooked their Party's future to a psychopath name bush.

Michael responded to the statement:
"Mitt Romney deserves a chance to make his case to traditional Christians without his religion being an issue."

By writing:
"Funny, that was the exact opposite of what they were told 8 years ago when voting for Dubya. His base is motivated BECAUSE he's a true believer."

How right you are, Michael.

Do you see a pattern?:

Clinton is impeached for getting a BJ, but now we hear from the Republics that, "the Dems better not try to impeach bush...the country is tired of impeachment."

The Republics practice unabashed partisanship for 6 years, not even allowing Dems to speak in the Congress at times, but now that they've lost their majority in Congress, they say, "the American public is sick of the partisanship."

When Dems spoke out against bush a few years ago, the Republics called them "unpatriotic" and accused them of "aiding and abetting our enemies." Now that their fellow Republics are jumping the bush ship and openly criticizing him, the Republics and their media enablers call them, "independent mavericks."

The Republics ran their offensive "Contract On America" down the throat of a public that was overwhelmingly against it, and that was "good for the country"...but when Dems propose legislation that the country overwhelmingly supports, they're told by the Republics that, "they better be careful...this could backfire on them."

Hypocrisy, thy name is the Republic Party!

BTW - since bush and his hillbilly buds insist on calling the Democratic Party the "Democrat" Party, I've decided to return the favor by calling them the Republic Party.

The fact that this issue of a candidate's religion is even being debated is a real slam on the doctrines of equality in the United States. Anyone who would vote or not vote on a candidate due to ethnic, racial, religious, gender, or disability issues does not deserve their citizenship. Face the facts, Mitt Romney is a formidable candidate because of his achievements. He upholds conservative positions, has proven himself an effective government executive, and not only understands the private sector, but has turned around companies. Add to that his role in bailing out a failed US Olympic effort and directing a highly successful show in the midst of serious global security concerns, and also his success in bringing universal healthcare to Massachusetts (a Democratic issue in a Democratic state folks), and we have a potential winner. The US will be hard-pressed to find his equal in 2008.

"Mitt Romney deserves a chance to make his case to traditional Christians without his religion being an issue."

Funny, that was the exact opposite of what they were told 8 years ago when voting for Dubya. His base is motivated BECAUSE he's a true believer, why do you honestly expect them to turn out in similar numbers and with as much spirit as they did when they are being asked to vote for someone they see as in the hands of a Utah-based cult? Relgion was everything for Dubya, and no one on the right had a problem with it then, do you really think GOP voters are so dumb that they won't notice the sudden conversion to tolerance of all faiths after years of Ann Culter deriding Liberals as "Godless" and trying to fracture mainstream Christian churches in the name of "doctrinal purity." Wait a minute, never mind, they probably are just that dumb.

I disagree. The only thing that is important in this election is the candidate`s haircut and whether he or she can pretend to be everyone`s second best friend. Bush got elected without any policies or obvious intellect so I think it is silly to change the rules and to seek someone who is not superficial. I think you have to ask yourself if the country is ready to handle anyone with a brain. If we elected a Mormon imagine all of the jokes that would be made on TV about the number of wives that one should or could have. People would say things like: Our last President was a moron and now we have a Mormon. Maybe our next President will be an M&M. See what I mean. I think that we should elect a God-fearing fundamentalist from the Deep South.

Of note is that Mormonism is the only religion that specificaly endorses the U.S. founding documents (the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution) as inspired of God. Mormons believe that God raised up and inspired the founders to effect the nation's founding, and believe that Mormonism could not have existed without the U.S. founding, that the founding was part of God's plan for mankind, with America as a divinely inspired form of government that is essential for the divine plan, the only government that explicitly provides for sufficient freedoms, granted by God as inalienable rights, that men and women can exercise their uncoerced consciences to choose for themselves their religious orientation, of lack thereof. A key Mormon belief is the necessity of religious freedom, as guaranteed in the Constitution. That means of course that there can be no imposition of religious belief or lack thereof on anyone. Without free will, in Mormon belief, God's plan is frustrated. Free will is integral to religious observance and to salvation. Mormons all but canonize the founding documents, and consider divinely inspired the men who produced them. There is no religion that as unreservedly supports and defends the structure of the American nation, including the separation of church and state. Mitt Romney should make these points. Mormonism is an American religion, born and bred. The only statement I have ever seen that is as unreservedly supportive of the American Constitution as Mormonism, is that of Nat Henthoff, who stated that the U.S. Constitution is his only religion. Mormons view it as a religious obligation to support and defend and preserve the U.S. Constitution.

Jacob:
I'm afraid that your rather unconventional syntax makes much of your writing imposssible for me to decipher. But I don't see a god in the form of a man-beast as any more or less possible than a god in the form of a man born of a virgin or left behind by a spaceship.

Thank you Dave. A calm voice of reason is very refreshing.

What would happen if all Americans looked at a candidate's past values and present application of those values in today's context and voted for the one whose core values most closely matched their own. Think of the quiet contemplation that would take place instead of clamourous attacks on one another's character, religion or race. I'd vote for Mr. Romney because his values and political choices most closely match my own.

"If you think Mormons are not christians, you know nothing of the faith. We should vote for our country's best defender. Not his religion."

I don't know what the author was thinking when he asked himself that question....but it goes to show how the human mind works. He makes it clear that Mormons are not Christians...which tells me enough....people should step off the high horse and leave religion out of politics....because religion is also about power and politics and has nothing to do with God and knowing right from wrong.

Maybe the Mormons have a different God or I missed the point.

Why shouldent a christian vote for a christian. If you think Mormons are not christians, you know nothing of the faith. We should vote for our country's best defender. Not his religion. look at what Mitt has done in his life, he is a good wise honest man. Our country would be better with such a man in the white house. He has nothing hidden in the closet, and nothing to hide. Where else in politics do you find such men. Lets put our bias aside and look at our countrys best intrest.
From what I see he will lead us with honor.

John Mark Reynolds - LDS opposition to abortion and gay marriage are well within the American political mainstream.

And that makes it right? You blithely dismiss what I consider shameful and intolerant because it is in the mainstream. Jim Crow was also in the mainstream too.

Mitt Romney's father, George Romney, was a progressive Republican four decades ago. He was an effective automobile company leader (American Motors) and Michigan governor. In later life, he was one of the Mormon church*s governing body of twelve elders.

As Massachusetts governor, Mitt Romney seemed to be following in his illustrious father*s progressive footsteps. But now, as a presidential candidate, he has turned his back on progressive principles. It is because of his hard right turn, and not because of his Mormon creed, that I could never vote for him.

Anonymous: you are definitely ready for a Mormon president -- why not a Muslim? Are you a racist?

Anon,

My sentiments exactly!

Thom:

AMEN!

you shouldnt not vote for him because he's a mormon. you should not vote for him because he's a republican.

Why not a Mormon? We have a moron now.

I think we should look into what Mit did in the state of Mass. as the govenor. I think his track record should speak louder than his religion.

I think BV stands for Brazen Vulgarity.

NO
NO
NO
NO
it would be voting for a demon

candide:
Would you really want a president who thinks Jesus came to America to preach to the Indians?
A curious assertion. Whose to say Jesus didn't preach to the Indians? I hardly believe the Jews were the only people on the whole planet who were worthy enough to receive Jesus & His word.

Would you really want a president who prays to a being who has damned men and women to hell unless they wash themselves in the blood of his son, begotten not made, etc? Many if not all religions believe that one must be baptized in their Church to be saved. Mormonism is no different. As a sidenote - the "blood" is a figure of speech & straight from the bible. Their baptismal fonts are filled with plain old H2O are are Catholic and most other mainstream churches.

Would you really want a president who thought pork barbecue was sinful and daily studied a book on how to observe rituals in a temple in Jerusalem which had not existed for over 1936 years? So what if he didn't eat pork? I wouldn't be offended by a vegetarian President either.

Would you really want a president who prayed five times a day on a prayer rug? Who cares what he does in his own home. As long as it is legal and doesn't prevent him from doing his job.

Overall, your post is completely stupid.

Personally, I find Bush to be much scarier than Romney because Bush doesn't actually seem to understand what separation of church and state means. He declared a "Jesus Day" in Texas and provides money to faith-based charities.

Oh, I think the entire world knows what happens when "traditional Christians believe their faith can inform politics" and vote according to those beliefs: we end up in illegal wars and with the most-medacious government in our history - all headed by a man who was standing behind religion's door the day the editorial "they" were handing out morals and ethics.

You'd think that after the Xians "got their man" elected and re-elected through their overwhelming support, that they'd be of a mind to slink away in ignomy to repent of the evil that they have visited upon the world. But, no - they're prepared to up the ante! I'll see you two religious lunacies and raise you a pair of magic underpants! Ye gads!

Xians may well wish to run from the evil they unleashed on the world when they overwhelming supported their "man of god," but stupid is as stupid does..and history now is what it wuz. They broke it, they bought it, and the rest of us will be paying for the damage for the rest of our lives.

The problem with Mitt Romney is not the curious beliefs of his church, but rather his very bad political values.

In this country, the more delusional your fantasies are about a vengeful, genocidal deity, the better qualified you are to be president.

Candide:
"Would you really want a president who thinks Jesus came to America to preach to the Indians?"
How is that any worse than one who thinks that he came to the Middle East to preach to the Jews?

"Would you really want a president who prays to a being who has damned men and women to hell unless they wash themselves in the blood of his son, begotten not made, etc?"
As long as he upholds the Constitution, I don't care where he thinks I'm going after I die.

"Would you really want a president who thought pork barbecue was sinful and daily studied a book on how to observe rituals in a temple in Jerusalem which had not existed for over 1936 years?"
More spare ribs for me. And I don't care what he reads. I have my holy texts, he can have his.

"Would you really want a president who prayed five times a day on a prayer rug?"
As long as he doesn't miss cabinet meetings or summit talks to do so, he can pray as many times a day as he feels the urge.

"Well, that doesn't sound too bad. It may be that a Muslim president would offend reason less than the other possibilities."
I don't think it's any particular religion that's the problem, It's when people try to work their particular form of religion into the law that it becomes a problem for those of us who don't practice that religion. That's when it becomes unconstitutional.

Would you really want a president who thinks Jesus came to America to preach to the Indians?

Would you really want a president who prays to a being who has damned men and women to hell unless they wash themselves in the blood of his son, begotten not made, etc?

Would you really want a president who thought pork barbecue was sinful and daily studied a book on how to observe rituals in a temple in Jerusalem which had not existed for over 1936 years?

Would you really want a president who prayed five times a day on a prayer rug? Well, that doesn't sound too bad. It may be that a Muslim president would offend reason less than the other possibilities.

Until there are enough Americans brave enough to admit they are atheists we shall have to elect people with bizarre religious notions to office. We already do, they are called Christians.

There is no religion I know of more bizarrre than mainstream Christianity.

To reiterate, it is all about the founders of the major religions and their favorite "tinker bell(s)" aka angel.

Joe Smith had his Moroni.

Mohammed had his Gabriel (this "tinkerer" got around).

Jesus and his family had Michael, Gabriel, and Satan, the latter being a modern day demon of the demented.

The Abraham-Moses myths had their Angel of Death and other "no-namers" to do their dirty work or other assorted duties.

Contemporary biblical and religious scholars have relegated these "pretty wingie thingies" to the myth pile. We should do the same to include deleting all references to them in our religious operating manuals. Doing this will eliminate the prophet/profit/prophecy status of these founders and put them where they belong as simple humans just like the rest of us.

Some added references to "tinker bells".

"Latter-day Saints also believe that Michael the Archangel was Adam (the first man) when he was mortal, and Gabriel lived on the earth as Noah."

Apparently hallucinations did not stop with Joe Smith.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07049c.htm
"This belief in guardian angels can be traced throughout all antiquity; pagans, like Menander and Plutarch (cf. Euseb., "Praep. Evang.", xii), and Neo-Platonists, like Plotinus, held it. It was also the belief of the Babylonians and Assyrians, as their monuments testify, for a figure of a guardian angel now in the British Museum once decorated an Assyrian palace, and might well serve for a modern representation; while Nabopolassar, father of Nebuchadnezzar the Great, says: "He (Marduk) sent a tutelary deity (cherub) of grace to go at my side; in everything that I did, he made my work to succeed."

Catholic monks and Dark Age theologians also did their share of hallucinating:

"TUBUAS-A member of the group of angels who were removed from the ranks of officially recognized celestial hierarchy in 745 by a council in Rome under Pope Zachary. He was joined by Uriel, Adimus, Sabaoth, Simiel, and Raguel."

And tinker bells go way, way back:

"In Zoroastrianism there are different angel like creatures. For example each person has a guardian angel caled Fravashi. They patronize human being and other creatures and also manifest god’s energy. Also, the Amesha Spentas have often been regarded as angels, but they don't convey messages, but are rather emanations of Ahura Mazda ("Wise Lord", God); they appear in an abstract fashion in the religious thought of Zarathustra and then later (during the Achaemenid period of Zoroastrianism) became personalized, associated with an aspect of the divine creation (fire, plants, water...)."

"The beginnings of the biblical belief in angels must be sought in very early folklore. The gods of the Hittites and Canaanites had their supernatural messengers, and parallels to the Old Testament stories of angels are found in Near Eastern literature. "

"The 'Magic Papyri' contain many spells to secure just such help and protection of angels. From magic traditions arose the concept of the guardian angel. "

For added information see the review at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel

"A traditional Christian should only make political alliances with groups that embrace reason."

That would presumably include atheists. Why it would include any religious group is beyond me.