The silence of Henry and Betty is deafening but I thank you for the link because it is right on cue. America is at the cross-roads and I think it is time to bring an end to the welfare state which perpetuates the irresponsible use of the race card and the other ills that wreck havoc on society at large.
Racism as people see it is a figment of ones imagination....and it is being used as a tool to further a particular political agenda. It is all about power and control....I want you to falsefy this.
Slavery was invented by mortals who imagined themselves to be God on earth. And to go a step further....the enslavement of Africans was a business agreement made between European elites and their African cohorts. The Europans had their own serf system, but Africans took it to the limit by selling their own kind for monetary gain. The truth is out there seek and you shall find. The enslavement of African-Americans continues to this day only in a more sophisticated way.....see the rampant victicrat and entitlement mentality.
Frankly and honestly, my friend, there is more to rap music than what you or I might find disgusting.
there is much truth and much integrity in the better rap artists, much of us giving you and me an understanding of the black experience in america if we care to understand it.
i fear that your categorical disgust indicates an intolerance and closed off relationship to our black brothers and sisters, the great majority of whon are not disgusting at all, just as is true of white people.
some are, most are not. rap music could tell you a lot that is good for all of us to know.
I hear you....I am glad that you looked for the power within because that's all you need to get by. By the way it doesn't matter to me if your a white or black woman we are all human beings with the same color blood running through our vains. Our common humanity is more important than all the Isms that divide and seperate us as people.
"That said, I think you have every right to say that you think it is bad when black men dehumanize black women. That is sexist.
When a white man does it, it is sexist AND racist."
Can any one tell me if they know who coined the word RACISM and why? this word was invented by somebody who advocated sexual perversity and labeled any one who disagreed with him racist.
Racism, Sexism and all those other Isms are
sophisticated tools to silence and deprive people of freedom of thought, and it is the result of bloodless science and rationality run amok.
***Many reasonable black commentators (like bob herbert at the NYtimes) have condemned the demeaning of women by black rap artists as well as by imus.***
Thats fine and well, but where is Mr Jackson and Mr Sharpton here. Have they rallied up all those people they did for Imus' situation and go to the doors of the big record labels and protest the denegration towards blacks by blacks?
***Imus as a White Man has a different relation to black women than black men do, and understand the power differential that results.***
Yes, I understand the dynamics of racism. At the same time, black men have no more right to dehumanize black women any more than anyone else. And when its sold on the free market for anyones money to buy, then let us not all be surprised that in about 10 years or so ...ho, bi**ch, n*** will be commonplace all over for all races to use. Thanks to the very people that used to push... be black and proud!
Personally I think Jesus along with MLK are both rolling over in their graves these days.
Thanks Robin
I am glad we are looking at this big problem with sympathy for each other's point of view. I think we substantially agree.
Many reasonable black commentators (like bob herbert at the NYtimes) have condemned the demeaning of women by black rap artists as well as by imus.
i think they should. again, in the both/and spirit, i think we should also note that Imus as a White Man has a different relation to black women than black men do, and understand the power differential that results.
and again, that is not to *excuse* Snoop Dogg, but to understand the complexity of race relations in a country that had slavery for 200 years.
I have a kid to, and sympathize with your being apalled. Popular culture is coarse in SO many ways, not just rap music. Always has been, I guess (remember ancient rome?).
I think Jesus said, or meant, that we should "afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted."
Your right they shouldn't have been put there in the first place. So it started with Imus, let it not stop with Imus. Many others need to be held accountable for their ignorance. Limbaugh, Coulter, Beck, etc.
And lets not forget the hardcore rappers. If it wasn't for their choice of artistic expression, those words would not be becoming so everyday acceptable. Its unfair to say that what blacks say to each other is ok, but whites should not repeat it when they are able to listen to/buy that type of music. How can we as white parents teach our children that those words are unacceptable when they hear it everyday in their ipods etc.?
I am appalled at what kids hear and have repeated from those cds. But I am told its the way of the new generations. It leaves me with a big ? mark on my face and in my mind.
those of us who have been victims as you have can escape that situation (though the can't always: hence the 'darfur example)
and that is admirable and a desired goal.
We as a society can also work to stop the victimization, of spousal abuse for instance, through law enforcement, education, social pressure, etc.
We want to BOTH help victims and encourage them to transcend Victim hood
and
stop the Victimizers, who are people with power to do so.
Imus had the power to victimize the Rutgers women. They didn't take it - they transcended the victim status. great for them.
but they should not have been put there in the firsst place.
I guess I forgot to add that I use to be a victim of domestic abuse. I played that role well for a good 8-10 years until I realized I needed to stop being a victim and take control over my own life. I finally was able to get out of that situation and returned to working 3 jobs for about five years until I found the employment I spoke about above.
That experience could have left me a victim of men forever, I suppose, but I chose not to blame all of them, work beside them, and actually have a few nice working friendships with a couple of them. And the women have come around in there too. It only took me time, believing in myself and knowing I had the power of choice.
I don't condone racism in any form. I also don't condone self victimization either.
I agree with freevoice in the fact that many women do in their own much more often than men could ever.
I have been a female employee for 13 years in a job that was primarily male oriented. I have been given more grief by the women in my workplace that do what is supposedly more female oriented work then any of the men I need to work with. In the beginning those women called me a wh**re to a dike and everything in between for chosing my line of work. Proving that I could do the job with the men I needed to work with was much easier than dealing with the snide remarks from the women. When all I wanted to do was work a job that paid well to feed my kids, pay the bills and not be dependant on someone else.
When I said that no one can take our power away from us unless we let it happen, I meant our personal empowerment. What we know to be truth about ourselves. Our core selves.
What Imus said was unacceptable, I totally agree with that. But what he said could not take away all that those girls acheived for themselves. I also understand that they are young and impressionable. So, it was important that they were reinforced with the fact that he was wrong in what he had said. Certainly they were hurt and offended. As well they should have been. But for some to say that he stripped them of their dignity is ridiculous. If he stripped anyones dignity it was his own. No one should give Imus or anyone for that matter that much power over them with their mere words of ignorance and stupidity.
Its not always easy to let go of feeling like a victim. Some may need some guidance to begin that process, but for those who think they are being kind by reinforcing those feelings in others are doing them a great disservice by not allowing them to have power over their ownselves.
Of course holocaust survivors and slaves were treated horrendously. Words cannot describe what they had to go through. I won't even pretend to know how it was for them. And there are too many dynamics to be able to go into it in a post on a blog.
I hope I have explained myself better. I really was having trouble posting on this thread for some reason.
I am not speaking for Robin but your question is so typical of posters who don't want to debate but agitate just to cause chaos and confusion.
We still have a lot to learn from history about Africans who were brought to the Americas against their will and the Jews who fled Europe because of Hitler. Those things happened at different times and had different backgrounds but the wickedness of man's inhumanity against man was the same. One thing is for sure that it was as always about power and politics and to this day these events are only being used for power and politics and to demand and claim special victim status regardless of the consequences it has on society at large. The new tribalism trampling individual liberty in a free society is a fact. The truth is out there......for those who can tell the difference.
"have read Hoff summers and Obeirne etc, and I think that they are crazy."
This is character assassination, and I am supposed to believe that you care about the violence against women and their dignity?
They called me crazy too because I refused to buy into the twisted perpetual victim feminist agenda and identify my personal self worth with my gender. According to gender feminist (black) women (with children) are also bunch of dirty ho's in case you didn't know that.
I have been to hell and back but my esteem and self worth was not being trampled on by men but by the gender feminist agenda that kept me isolated from society as a mother because woman in my position had no choice and did not exist.
Christina Hoff-Summers wrote her book from a scholars perspectief and I will write mine from the perpectief of one who was violated in more ways than one by the gender feminist agenda. Feminist ridiculed and blamed me for looking good when I was sexually harrased by one of their male feminist friends....so much talk for stopping violence against women.... but I still maintained my dignity and self worth and overcame all the barriers they had placed before my steps with the help of the wicked males who inspired me to develop my inner strenght and be the woman that I am. I still look good and I am on the top of my game despite the adversities.
Feminist talk the talk when they can exploit something to further their own political agenda. They also made it clear with their double standards to some women are more equal than others.
I respect and value myself and don't need the validation of others to make me feel worthy...it all starts from within.....if I did it other women can too.
Robin wrote
"About an hour ago I wrote a post that basically agreed with your stance on power/dignity and how victimhood is the real criminal that steals that power away from us if *we* let it."
You mean like the Jews "let it" in the holocaust?
Like the Slaves who were captured in africa and shipped to the US "let it"?
I have read Hoff summers and Obeirne etc, and I think that they are crazy.
Just because some people exploit victimization, does that mean that there are NO VICTIMS?????
HOW About those kids who were sexually abused by Catholic Priests? Just belly achers?
How about the six million Jews who died in the Holocaust? Can't they just get over it?
How about the Darfur genocide? Just belly-achers? They hardly have a belly.
You think there is no power differential between Imus and the Rutgers women?
Between Blacks and Whites in America, both historically and today?
If you don't, then we really don't have anything to talk about.
If you think it is just belly-aching, you are a moral midget (nothing against midgets).
About an hour ago I wrote a post that basically agreed with your stance on power/dignity and how victimhood is the real criminal that steals that power away from us if *we* let it.
It is way past time that all of us in this society stop with the victimizationship of ourselves and use that energy to move on to greater things.
As far as my previous post that did not take..for some reason after hitting post it said that it would be held for review. Not sure what that was all about as I hadn't thought I wrote anything offensive. I guess thats a hard call these days.
NOBODY can take your dignity away from you....it happens only if you allow it. Where there is a victim you will have an oppressor. When you stop being the victim the oppressor loses his power. It is plain psychology. Greater is he that is in me than he that is in the world. All earthly power is here today and gone tomorrow remember that.
You can blame men from here to kingdom come but women have a responsibility which they neglect instead they point the blaming finger at men for their short comings, and it is becoming really tired for me as a woman to be stigmatized and marginalized because of the perpetual victim mentality of women simply because I am a woman. I am being boxed in a category based on my gender...if all women see themselves as victims of society I should too simply because of my gender. That's what I call oppression and it has no place in today's society.
Nowhere else in the world do women have the right to their individuality but women themselves are now reducing women and forcing them to become slaves of the system and exploiting their misery.
Read Christina Hoff-Sommers Who stole feminism?how women betrayed women...that will be an eyeopener. Kate Obreine and Johnnetta Benkovic also have a great take on this matter.
You have left me speechless.
I have no idea how to respond to your comment: I think people can read it and come to their own conclusions about your beliefs and the issues you see.
As just one small point: Power and Dignity are related.
The Powerful have the ability to humiliate the powerless, take away their dignity.
The powerless don't.
If I am the King in a country where you are my subject, I can have you publicly whipped in the public square, and you will be stripped of your dignity in front of your community.
Imus, who had the enormous power of a microphone heard by millions of people, verbally whipped 8 young black women:
called them wh$@es,
and made a disparaging racist remark.
He took away their dignity, and he only could do that because he had the power to, both as a public media figure and,
regardless of what you think,
because he is a white male.
Whites are the majority in this country.
And males have most of the economic power.
He abused his power. Whether one thinks he should be fired for doing so is a matter of opinion, and of course the opinion of CBS and MSNBC counts a lot more than yours or mine.
You don't get it.....I heard Imus his remarks and he made a big fool out of himself....why do I of a sound mind need to worry about what Imus said? he did not attack me as the person that I am so I don't take issues with what he said and I am a woman. I made sure that I can handle mine because getting offended at every little stupid remark of somebody is just wasting precious energy that can be put to greater use for humanity.
You know what is sexist and racist....defining blackwomen by their gender and labeling them as perpetual victims (brainless degenerates that can't think and take care of themselves) based on their skin color and social status instead of seeing them as equal human beings. Over the course of decades the women's rights movement (feminist agenda) has done more damage to the psyche of black women, reducing them to mere subjects than Imus his stupid remarks. I've been there and know that.
"Imus is in Power, the Rutgers young women and African Americans don't have that. Say what?
You said....this is all about power and politics and less about the dignity of people in general. That's why I see this hoopla as bogus. Enterprising the weaknesses of people based on their skin color is a worse violation of their civil rights and human rights. Imus talks and talk is cheap!
Freevoice,
with all due respect,
you just don't get it.
It "sounded like a big joke" to you.
Do you understand that it DID NOT sound like a big joke to those young women from Rutgers?
The remark was sexist as well as racist. I AM a "ho" by Don's definition, and it offends me to be called one.
Also: don't you see the difference between what black people call each other and what White People, who are the majority and who enslaved black people for 250 years, call Black People.
Imus is in Power. He had Great Media Power.
The Rutgers young women, and most African Americans, don't.
I don't love Sharpton and Jackson either, but they are beside the point.
Ken Chenault and Gwen Ifill and the Coach of the Rutgers team are NOT beside the point.
Norrie and John
Gwen Ifill made a noble and lucid statement about the hurt that Imus caused her and most Afrrican Americans, and many women, on Meet the Press last Sunday - I am sure you can google it.
She is an eminently fair and decent reporter and human being.
Young African American women are my "sisters", as they are yours. We should all be most concerned when they are characterized as Imus did.
If I were the African American head of American Express, as Ken Chanealt is, with many of my employees asking me why our company is associated with a person with a long record of racist remarks, I would pull my advertising from the show as well.
I've never understood why this guy got so much attention. As a white person I found him boring and embarrassing.
I also don't see how Al Sharpton can be a credible spokesman for African Americans. The media should be ashamed of their pandering to the lowest common denominator. Why not interview people with something to say, instead of always looking for who will have the most "newsworthy," i.e. inflammatory comments. Reporters and editors need to take a good hard look at the way they contribute to the lack of civility they so often decry.
For the record, I didn't care if Imus stayed on the air or not, since I didn't listen to him. I do think it indicates a lack of civilization when blow-hards of this kind are considered "socially useful." They should be held up as examples of how not to behave in a pluralistic society, not allowed to be spokesmen for the rest of us.
"As for Gwen Ifill, she brought Imus's insult on herself by not returning his phone calls. Very rude and boorish on her part."
Not returning a phone call is rude and boorish? Not returning a phone call is a polite way of saying, "Don't bother me." I've only ever heard maybe two minutes of Don Imus altogether, and I wouldn't return his calls.
Don Imus making such a statement tells me that he was not thinking straight...it sounded like a big joke to me....he forgot that he was not from the hood where one has the right to say those things. Black people insult eachother 24/7 in this fashion. CBS censoring Imus doesn't tell me anything....to me it is mere symbolism. There are many studies out there that denigrate and stigmatize blackwomen but you don't hear people crying foul about that.
I have more respect for a person like Imus who just made himself look like a fool than I have for the many others who think far worse of blackwomen but pretend to do otherwise.
Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson running with this case is another insult to my intelligence because neither one of them have the credibility to defend the dignity of those girls/women. They are simply exploiting the situation to benifit their own agenda.
If you do not consider yourself to be a nappyheaded ho you will not get offended as simple as that. It's all in the mind and how you see yourself.
Mr.Imus has a history of helping needy people. I tip my hat to him for that.
His broadcast show succeeded under the “Take no prisoners style” that is his trademark.
Many people liked him because he said the words they thought about but would never say. On air he gave no quarter—he should not expect any now, that’s just the way it is.
This is classic “You reap what you sow”— vernacular, what goes round comes round.
This does not have to be the end of Don Imus, that’s what boot straps are for.
Dr. Lazare, thanks for telling it straight, and hope your health improves.
As far as Mr Imus saving his job, it wouldn't have mattered what he said, when he said it or how he said it. It was all determined by whether or not the sponsers pulled out or not.
He said a terrible thing. He has said a number of terrible things over the years. So have others. I am not trying to excuse what has been said by Mr Imus and his producer. Those girls certainly didn't deserve it in any way. But if it starts with him, let it not stop with him. Others need to be held accountable for their words as well. Rush Limbaugh, etc. And let us not forget the hardcore rappers.
It will be curious if Mr Sharpton and Mr Jackson will now come out in great numbers in front of the big record labels protesting the foul and dehumanizing words used in this type of artistic expression, when in fact it is one of the major problems of this kind of language becoming everyday acceptable.
How can those of us, as white parents, teach our children that these words are not acceptable and should not be used when it is in the music they listen to and/or buy? I have heard it be said in the media lately that it is ok for the the blacks to use it amongst themselves, but not for those of us that are white to use it. So, my question is, why then is it ok for these artists to accept our money to purchase their works, but not repeat what is on them? I don't believe you should be able to have it both ways. Nor is it healthy for any young person of any race to think that these words are acceptable, even amongst themselves.
How did it change from being Black and Proud to ......? You fill in the space.
Forget the last word 'ho', which was spoken by the producer and apparently planned in advance. Why would someone in discussing a ball game, without thinking, refer to the play as "nappy-headed"? And why would others feel compelled to immediately deflect it and turn it somewhere else, and make it out to be not talking about the play of the game?? Should be good for some analysis.
It is comforting to know that many White Men, including some on this post, weren't offended by Mr Imus's comment.
If I were the parent of one of those young women, or their basketball coach, or an African American, or an African American who is the head of American Express (an advertiser)
I would have been pretty offended.
I am not any of those things, just a "ho", and I was pretty offended as it was, and I have listened to Imus a lot over the years.
It was plainly racist and sexist. The White Men in Power don't suffer from racism and sexism. The black people and women do.
Thanks to you men for not protecting us: we will protect ourselves.
This is what you get with cultural marxism....hypocricy and double standards. It is ok if I do it but it is not ok if a white guy does it. America in regression to the days of oppression. Wholy cow...I wonder what the founding fathers and those who gave their lives for freedom and liberty would have to say about this. Clear censorship but saying this would be politically incorrect. Some people are indeed worth more than others....who or what is next?
Of course the Rutgers women are due and apology. But what is the Tennessee team due? It is most certainly due more than benign neglect
I am amazed that no one seems to realize that an apology is due from many people including Imus for the utter neglect of the accomplishments of the women's team from the University of Tennessee. The Lady Vols, as you may or may not remember in the wake of the Imus controversy, beat Rutgers for their 7th national title. Coach Summit, who has won each of the championships, has won more games than any coach in the history of college basketball. It is no exaggeration to say that she is the single person most responsible for the present popularity of women's basketball. There is a real story of major accomplishments here by both coach and players. The young women of Tennessee, including the national player of the year, Candace Parker, have been ignored and deprived of their rightful place in the sun. How about giving their story some coverage?. That would be an act of justice and fairness for team of fine young women. Perhaps even Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson would find it inspiring. But then again, you may of course have to apologize to them if they are outraged by a story in which African Americans were not depicted a victims of a racist nation.
Don Imus's best choice would have been to follow your very sensible advice.
His next-best choice would have been to think: NEVER APOLOGIZE NEVER EXPLAIN.
His worst choice was to do what he did: apologize while not really apologizing.
He shouldn't have been fired though. The Al Sharptons and the media bosses imposed the death penalty in haste for what amounted to going 30 MPH in a 25 MPH zone.
As for Gwen Ifill, she brought Imus's insult on herself by not returning his phone calls. Very rude and boorish on her part.
Imus had a great, socially useful program. We heard interesting discussions with important and interesting people which were enlightening. They're all gone now, and nothing will replace their unique character.
To Randy:
Your point is well taken, appreciate your comments. I agree that racism has deeper roots and this could just be symptomatic of a bigger problem. But have you noticed how, now when anyone talk/writes about the Rutgers team, has to have a few adjectives preceding their names: exceedingly talented, beautiful etc etc. Not to say they are not, but is it really that big a deal that some crackpot says something and the whole nation is up in arms over it (maybe as you said, I just don't get it). Do you not think this really drives the wedge deeper?
Of course, I read Gwen Ifill's editorial in NYT, and do see her point of view. I have to say I have nothing but respect for the lady. I also have to say Imus was being a foul-mouthed SOB when he called her a cleaning lady going into the white house...and that I can definitely agree is both racist and sexist. But this... maybe I just don't get it!
For "Irritated", I have this to say: You don't get to decide that this is, "not a big deal". You obviously dont get it. It Clearly is a BIG DEAL to many many people, that dont include you.
The reason something like this touches off the firestorm it does is precisely because many minority employees of media companies and their advertisers were outraged. They pushed this issue to the level of attention it has received. Furthermore, the BIGGER problem in this nation is that there are way too many people like you, who minimize what this (larger) issue means. Yes, as one incident, it seems insignificant, but anyone can see that it touches on a larger course-ness, rudeness and vulgarity which exists everwhere in our American culture. Whether that is white radio, black hip-hop or anything else.
I saw part of a larger discussion of this whole enchillada on Oprah's show yesterday and it really was excellent. I recommend those who don't think this issue is in need of a lareger diaologue to check it out today (I believe part II is today?)
We have all become cynical to things perceived as "PC" or a double standard. Unfortunately that mind set is used to minimize issues like this. Using denigrating speach is entirely too common and acceptable in this society and we should call it on the carpet when we see it.
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The silence of Henry and Betty is deafening but I thank you for the link because it is right on cue. America is at the cross-roads and I think it is time to bring an end to the welfare state which perpetuates the irresponsible use of the race card and the other ills that wreck havoc on society at large.
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Racism as people see it is a figment of ones imagination....and it is being used as a tool to further a particular political agenda. It is all about power and control....I want you to falsefy this.
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Slavery was invented by mortals who imagined themselves to be God on earth. And to go a step further....the enslavement of Africans was a business agreement made between European elites and their African cohorts. The Europans had their own serf system, but Africans took it to the limit by selling their own kind for monetary gain. The truth is out there seek and you shall find. The enslavement of African-Americans continues to this day only in a more sophisticated way.....see the rampant victicrat and entitlement mentality.
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Henry,
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You crack me up. Closed off from my brothers and sisters! Intolerance!
Where did I say there were no disgusting white people? Where did I say all rap music?
You must be bored! and I must be more bored to even address this crap.
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OK. I admit it.
There is no such thing as Racism, nor has there ever been.
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Robin,
I understand.
Frankly and honestly, my friend, there is more to rap music than what you or I might find disgusting.
there is much truth and much integrity in the better rap artists, much of us giving you and me an understanding of the black experience in america if we care to understand it.
i fear that your categorical disgust indicates an intolerance and closed off relationship to our black brothers and sisters, the great majority of whon are not disgusting at all, just as is true of white people.
some are, most are not. rap music could tell you a lot that is good for all of us to know.
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thanks for telling us who invented racism.
who invented slavery?
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I hear you....I am glad that you looked for the power within because that's all you need to get by. By the way it doesn't matter to me if your a white or black woman we are all human beings with the same color blood running through our vains. Our common humanity is more important than all the Isms that divide and seperate us as people.
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"That said, I think you have every right to say that you think it is bad when black men dehumanize black women. That is sexist.
When a white man does it, it is sexist AND racist."
Can any one tell me if they know who coined the word RACISM and why? this word was invented by somebody who advocated sexual perversity and labeled any one who disagreed with him racist.
Racism, Sexism and all those other Isms are
sophisticated tools to silence and deprive people of freedom of thought, and it is the result of bloodless science and rationality run amok.
April 20, 2007 9:34 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 20, 2007 21:34
Robin my Friend
I assumed that you were a white person.
If you are a black person and I assumed incorrectly, I apologize.
Love
Henry
April 20, 2007 6:50 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 20, 2007 18:50
Robin
I appreciate your frustration.
I would simply say that if you were a conerned and resonable black person
rather than a
concerned and resonable white person (are You?)
you might both Condemn the sexism of the Snoop Doggs
and also
think things are a little more complicated than your post might imply.
That said, I think you have every right to say that you think it is bad when black men dehumanize black women. That is sexist.
When a white man does it, it is sexist AND racist.
Both bad. Different bads.
April 20, 2007 3:25 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 20, 2007 15:25
***Many reasonable black commentators (like bob herbert at the NYtimes) have condemned the demeaning of women by black rap artists as well as by imus.***
Thats fine and well, but where is Mr Jackson and Mr Sharpton here. Have they rallied up all those people they did for Imus' situation and go to the doors of the big record labels and protest the denegration towards blacks by blacks?
***Imus as a White Man has a different relation to black women than black men do, and understand the power differential that results.***
Yes, I understand the dynamics of racism. At the same time, black men have no more right to dehumanize black women any more than anyone else. And when its sold on the free market for anyones money to buy, then let us not all be surprised that in about 10 years or so ...ho, bi**ch, n*** will be commonplace all over for all races to use. Thanks to the very people that used to push... be black and proud!
Personally I think Jesus along with MLK are both rolling over in their graves these days.
April 20, 2007 12:43 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 20, 2007 12:43
Thanks Robin
I am glad we are looking at this big problem with sympathy for each other's point of view. I think we substantially agree.
Many reasonable black commentators (like bob herbert at the NYtimes) have condemned the demeaning of women by black rap artists as well as by imus.
i think they should. again, in the both/and spirit, i think we should also note that Imus as a White Man has a different relation to black women than black men do, and understand the power differential that results.
and again, that is not to *excuse* Snoop Dogg, but to understand the complexity of race relations in a country that had slavery for 200 years.
I have a kid to, and sympathize with your being apalled. Popular culture is coarse in SO many ways, not just rap music. Always has been, I guess (remember ancient rome?).
I think Jesus said, or meant, that we should "afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted."
April 20, 2007 10:12 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 20, 2007 10:12
Betty,
Your right they shouldn't have been put there in the first place. So it started with Imus, let it not stop with Imus. Many others need to be held accountable for their ignorance. Limbaugh, Coulter, Beck, etc.
And lets not forget the hardcore rappers. If it wasn't for their choice of artistic expression, those words would not be becoming so everyday acceptable. Its unfair to say that what blacks say to each other is ok, but whites should not repeat it when they are able to listen to/buy that type of music. How can we as white parents teach our children that those words are unacceptable when they hear it everyday in their ipods etc.?
I am appalled at what kids hear and have repeated from those cds. But I am told its the way of the new generations. It leaves me with a big ? mark on my face and in my mind.
April 19, 2007 1:31 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 19, 2007 13:31
Robin
a touching story in your PS
i think this is a both/and situation.
those of us who have been victims as you have can escape that situation (though the can't always: hence the 'darfur example)
and that is admirable and a desired goal.
We as a society can also work to stop the victimization, of spousal abuse for instance, through law enforcement, education, social pressure, etc.
We want to BOTH help victims and encourage them to transcend Victim hood
and
stop the Victimizers, who are people with power to do so.
Imus had the power to victimize the Rutgers women. They didn't take it - they transcended the victim status. great for them.
but they should not have been put there in the firsst place.
April 19, 2007 9:13 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 19, 2007 09:13
P.S.
I guess I forgot to add that I use to be a victim of domestic abuse. I played that role well for a good 8-10 years until I realized I needed to stop being a victim and take control over my own life. I finally was able to get out of that situation and returned to working 3 jobs for about five years until I found the employment I spoke about above.
That experience could have left me a victim of men forever, I suppose, but I chose not to blame all of them, work beside them, and actually have a few nice working friendships with a couple of them. And the women have come around in there too. It only took me time, believing in myself and knowing I had the power of choice.
April 19, 2007 5:51 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 19, 2007 05:51
Anonymous,
I don't condone racism in any form. I also don't condone self victimization either.
I agree with freevoice in the fact that many women do in their own much more often than men could ever.
I have been a female employee for 13 years in a job that was primarily male oriented. I have been given more grief by the women in my workplace that do what is supposedly more female oriented work then any of the men I need to work with. In the beginning those women called me a wh**re to a dike and everything in between for chosing my line of work. Proving that I could do the job with the men I needed to work with was much easier than dealing with the snide remarks from the women. When all I wanted to do was work a job that paid well to feed my kids, pay the bills and not be dependant on someone else.
When I said that no one can take our power away from us unless we let it happen, I meant our personal empowerment. What we know to be truth about ourselves. Our core selves.
What Imus said was unacceptable, I totally agree with that. But what he said could not take away all that those girls acheived for themselves. I also understand that they are young and impressionable. So, it was important that they were reinforced with the fact that he was wrong in what he had said. Certainly they were hurt and offended. As well they should have been. But for some to say that he stripped them of their dignity is ridiculous. If he stripped anyones dignity it was his own. No one should give Imus or anyone for that matter that much power over them with their mere words of ignorance and stupidity.
Its not always easy to let go of feeling like a victim. Some may need some guidance to begin that process, but for those who think they are being kind by reinforcing those feelings in others are doing them a great disservice by not allowing them to have power over their ownselves.
Of course holocaust survivors and slaves were treated horrendously. Words cannot describe what they had to go through. I won't even pretend to know how it was for them. And there are too many dynamics to be able to go into it in a post on a blog.
I hope I have explained myself better. I really was having trouble posting on this thread for some reason.
April 19, 2007 5:27 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 19, 2007 05:27
Anonymous
I am not speaking for Robin but your question is so typical of posters who don't want to debate but agitate just to cause chaos and confusion.
We still have a lot to learn from history about Africans who were brought to the Americas against their will and the Jews who fled Europe because of Hitler. Those things happened at different times and had different backgrounds but the wickedness of man's inhumanity against man was the same. One thing is for sure that it was as always about power and politics and to this day these events are only being used for power and politics and to demand and claim special victim status regardless of the consequences it has on society at large. The new tribalism trampling individual liberty in a free society is a fact. The truth is out there......for those who can tell the difference.
April 18, 2007 10:58 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 18, 2007 22:58
Betty:
"have read Hoff summers and Obeirne etc, and I think that they are crazy."
This is character assassination, and I am supposed to believe that you care about the violence against women and their dignity?
They called me crazy too because I refused to buy into the twisted perpetual victim feminist agenda and identify my personal self worth with my gender. According to gender feminist (black) women (with children) are also bunch of dirty ho's in case you didn't know that.
I have been to hell and back but my esteem and self worth was not being trampled on by men but by the gender feminist agenda that kept me isolated from society as a mother because woman in my position had no choice and did not exist.
Christina Hoff-Summers wrote her book from a scholars perspectief and I will write mine from the perpectief of one who was violated in more ways than one by the gender feminist agenda. Feminist ridiculed and blamed me for looking good when I was sexually harrased by one of their male feminist friends....so much talk for stopping violence against women.... but I still maintained my dignity and self worth and overcame all the barriers they had placed before my steps with the help of the wicked males who inspired me to develop my inner strenght and be the woman that I am. I still look good and I am on the top of my game despite the adversities.
Feminist talk the talk when they can exploit something to further their own political agenda. They also made it clear with their double standards to some women are more equal than others.
I respect and value myself and don't need the validation of others to make me feel worthy...it all starts from within.....if I did it other women can too.
April 18, 2007 10:39 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 18, 2007 22:39
Robin wrote
"About an hour ago I wrote a post that basically agreed with your stance on power/dignity and how victimhood is the real criminal that steals that power away from us if *we* let it."
You mean like the Jews "let it" in the holocaust?
Like the Slaves who were captured in africa and shipped to the US "let it"?
WHAT are you talking about?
April 18, 2007 7:16 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 18, 2007 19:16
First definition of "Dignity"
from the Free Online Dictionary"
1. The quality or state of being worthy of esteem or respect.
You get lots of respect and esteem when you are being whipped in the public square with your shirt off.
April 18, 2007 7:11 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 18, 2007 19:11
Freevoice says:
"nobody can take your dignity away from you."
What an idiotic cliche!
Plenty of people throughout history have had their dignity taken away from them by being publicly humiliated.
Of course they often retain an internal sense of dignity.
But it a fatuous to think they retain their public dignity. Yassuh.
April 18, 2007 7:08 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 18, 2007 19:08
Freevoice
Yes, we do live in alternative universes.
I have read Hoff summers and Obeirne etc, and I think that they are crazy.
Just because some people exploit victimization, does that mean that there are NO VICTIMS?????
HOW About those kids who were sexually abused by Catholic Priests? Just belly achers?
How about the six million Jews who died in the Holocaust? Can't they just get over it?
How about the Darfur genocide? Just belly-achers? They hardly have a belly.
You think there is no power differential between Imus and the Rutgers women?
Between Blacks and Whites in America, both historically and today?
If you don't, then we really don't have anything to talk about.
If you think it is just belly-aching, you are a moral midget (nothing against midgets).
April 18, 2007 7:04 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 18, 2007 19:04
Freevoice,
About an hour ago I wrote a post that basically agreed with your stance on power/dignity and how victimhood is the real criminal that steals that power away from us if *we* let it.
It is way past time that all of us in this society stop with the victimizationship of ourselves and use that energy to move on to greater things.
As far as my previous post that did not take..for some reason after hitting post it said that it would be held for review. Not sure what that was all about as I hadn't thought I wrote anything offensive. I guess thats a hard call these days.
April 18, 2007 6:40 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 18, 2007 18:40
Dear Betty:
NOBODY can take your dignity away from you....it happens only if you allow it. Where there is a victim you will have an oppressor. When you stop being the victim the oppressor loses his power. It is plain psychology. Greater is he that is in me than he that is in the world. All earthly power is here today and gone tomorrow remember that.
You can blame men from here to kingdom come but women have a responsibility which they neglect instead they point the blaming finger at men for their short comings, and it is becoming really tired for me as a woman to be stigmatized and marginalized because of the perpetual victim mentality of women simply because I am a woman. I am being boxed in a category based on my gender...if all women see themselves as victims of society I should too simply because of my gender. That's what I call oppression and it has no place in today's society.
Nowhere else in the world do women have the right to their individuality but women themselves are now reducing women and forcing them to become slaves of the system and exploiting their misery.
Read Christina Hoff-Sommers Who stole feminism?how women betrayed women...that will be an eyeopener. Kate Obreine and Johnnetta Benkovic also have a great take on this matter.
April 18, 2007 6:30 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 18, 2007 18:30
Dear Freevoice
You have left me speechless.
I have no idea how to respond to your comment: I think people can read it and come to their own conclusions about your beliefs and the issues you see.
As just one small point: Power and Dignity are related.
The Powerful have the ability to humiliate the powerless, take away their dignity.
The powerless don't.
If I am the King in a country where you are my subject, I can have you publicly whipped in the public square, and you will be stripped of your dignity in front of your community.
Imus, who had the enormous power of a microphone heard by millions of people, verbally whipped 8 young black women:
called them wh$@es,
and made a disparaging racist remark.
He took away their dignity, and he only could do that because he had the power to, both as a public media figure and,
regardless of what you think,
because he is a white male.
Whites are the majority in this country.
And males have most of the economic power.
He abused his power. Whether one thinks he should be fired for doing so is a matter of opinion, and of course the opinion of CBS and MSNBC counts a lot more than yours or mine.
April 18, 2007 12:26 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 18, 2007 12:26
Betty:
You don't get it.....I heard Imus his remarks and he made a big fool out of himself....why do I of a sound mind need to worry about what Imus said? he did not attack me as the person that I am so I don't take issues with what he said and I am a woman. I made sure that I can handle mine because getting offended at every little stupid remark of somebody is just wasting precious energy that can be put to greater use for humanity.
You know what is sexist and racist....defining blackwomen by their gender and labeling them as perpetual victims (brainless degenerates that can't think and take care of themselves) based on their skin color and social status instead of seeing them as equal human beings. Over the course of decades the women's rights movement (feminist agenda) has done more damage to the psyche of black women, reducing them to mere subjects than Imus his stupid remarks. I've been there and know that.
"Imus is in Power, the Rutgers young women and African Americans don't have that. Say what?
You said....this is all about power and politics and less about the dignity of people in general. That's why I see this hoopla as bogus. Enterprising the weaknesses of people based on their skin color is a worse violation of their civil rights and human rights. Imus talks and talk is cheap!
April 18, 2007 10:10 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 18, 2007 10:10
Freevoice,
with all due respect,
you just don't get it.
It "sounded like a big joke" to you.
Do you understand that it DID NOT sound like a big joke to those young women from Rutgers?
The remark was sexist as well as racist. I AM a "ho" by Don's definition, and it offends me to be called one.
Also: don't you see the difference between what black people call each other and what White People, who are the majority and who enslaved black people for 250 years, call Black People.
Imus is in Power. He had Great Media Power.
The Rutgers young women, and most African Americans, don't.
I don't love Sharpton and Jackson either, but they are beside the point.
Ken Chenault and Gwen Ifill and the Coach of the Rutgers team are NOT beside the point.
April 18, 2007 9:38 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 18, 2007 09:38
Norrie and John
Gwen Ifill made a noble and lucid statement about the hurt that Imus caused her and most Afrrican Americans, and many women, on Meet the Press last Sunday - I am sure you can google it.
She is an eminently fair and decent reporter and human being.
Young African American women are my "sisters", as they are yours. We should all be most concerned when they are characterized as Imus did.
If I were the African American head of American Express, as Ken Chanealt is, with many of my employees asking me why our company is associated with a person with a long record of racist remarks, I would pull my advertising from the show as well.
April 18, 2007 9:28 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 18, 2007 09:28
I've never understood why this guy got so much attention. As a white person I found him boring and embarrassing.
I also don't see how Al Sharpton can be a credible spokesman for African Americans. The media should be ashamed of their pandering to the lowest common denominator. Why not interview people with something to say, instead of always looking for who will have the most "newsworthy," i.e. inflammatory comments. Reporters and editors need to take a good hard look at the way they contribute to the lack of civility they so often decry.
For the record, I didn't care if Imus stayed on the air or not, since I didn't listen to him. I do think it indicates a lack of civilization when blow-hards of this kind are considered "socially useful." They should be held up as examples of how not to behave in a pluralistic society, not allowed to be spokesmen for the rest of us.
April 18, 2007 3:50 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 18, 2007 03:50
Norrie Hoyt:
"As for Gwen Ifill, she brought Imus's insult on herself by not returning his phone calls. Very rude and boorish on her part."
Not returning a phone call is rude and boorish? Not returning a phone call is a polite way of saying, "Don't bother me." I've only ever heard maybe two minutes of Don Imus altogether, and I wouldn't return his calls.
April 18, 2007 2:54 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 18, 2007 02:54
James
Don Imus making such a statement tells me that he was not thinking straight...it sounded like a big joke to me....he forgot that he was not from the hood where one has the right to say those things. Black people insult eachother 24/7 in this fashion. CBS censoring Imus doesn't tell me anything....to me it is mere symbolism. There are many studies out there that denigrate and stigmatize blackwomen but you don't hear people crying foul about that.
I have more respect for a person like Imus who just made himself look like a fool than I have for the many others who think far worse of blackwomen but pretend to do otherwise.
Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson running with this case is another insult to my intelligence because neither one of them have the credibility to defend the dignity of those girls/women. They are simply exploiting the situation to benifit their own agenda.
If you do not consider yourself to be a nappyheaded ho you will not get offended as simple as that. It's all in the mind and how you see yourself.
April 18, 2007 12:58 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 18, 2007 00:58
Imus should have been fired years ago...as should Ann Coulter, Limbaugh, Savage and a few other hatemongering bigots.
Imus has made appologies before...made promises, then promply broke them.
I take it it's all Whites that have no problem with what Imus said?
Well, Viva La free speech! He had the right to say what he said..and to take the coincidences.
I am totally tired of all the hate, lies and racsim, and it's time those "entertainers" got a scare. It's not funny any more.
April 17, 2007 11:36 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 17, 2007 23:36
Mr.Imus has a history of helping needy people. I tip my hat to him for that.
His broadcast show succeeded under the “Take no prisoners style” that is his trademark.
Many people liked him because he said the words they thought about but would never say. On air he gave no quarter—he should not expect any now, that’s just the way it is.
This is classic “You reap what you sow”— vernacular, what goes round comes round.
This does not have to be the end of Don Imus, that’s what boot straps are for.
Dr. Lazare, thanks for telling it straight, and hope your health improves.
April 17, 2007 10:44 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 17, 2007 22:44
As far as Mr Imus saving his job, it wouldn't have mattered what he said, when he said it or how he said it. It was all determined by whether or not the sponsers pulled out or not.
He said a terrible thing. He has said a number of terrible things over the years. So have others. I am not trying to excuse what has been said by Mr Imus and his producer. Those girls certainly didn't deserve it in any way. But if it starts with him, let it not stop with him. Others need to be held accountable for their words as well. Rush Limbaugh, etc. And let us not forget the hardcore rappers.
It will be curious if Mr Sharpton and Mr Jackson will now come out in great numbers in front of the big record labels protesting the foul and dehumanizing words used in this type of artistic expression, when in fact it is one of the major problems of this kind of language becoming everyday acceptable.
How can those of us, as white parents, teach our children that these words are not acceptable and should not be used when it is in the music they listen to and/or buy? I have heard it be said in the media lately that it is ok for the the blacks to use it amongst themselves, but not for those of us that are white to use it. So, my question is, why then is it ok for these artists to accept our money to purchase their works, but not repeat what is on them? I don't believe you should be able to have it both ways. Nor is it healthy for any young person of any race to think that these words are acceptable, even amongst themselves.
How did it change from being Black and Proud to ......? You fill in the space.
April 17, 2007 9:57 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 17, 2007 21:57
Forget the last word 'ho', which was spoken by the producer and apparently planned in advance. Why would someone in discussing a ball game, without thinking, refer to the play as "nappy-headed"? And why would others feel compelled to immediately deflect it and turn it somewhere else, and make it out to be not talking about the play of the game?? Should be good for some analysis.
April 17, 2007 9:35 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 17, 2007 21:35
It is comforting to know that many White Men, including some on this post, weren't offended by Mr Imus's comment.
If I were the parent of one of those young women, or their basketball coach, or an African American, or an African American who is the head of American Express (an advertiser)
I would have been pretty offended.
I am not any of those things, just a "ho", and I was pretty offended as it was, and I have listened to Imus a lot over the years.
It was plainly racist and sexist. The White Men in Power don't suffer from racism and sexism. The black people and women do.
Thanks to you men for not protecting us: we will protect ourselves.
April 17, 2007 4:44 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 17, 2007 16:44
Freevoice
If I run a TV or a Radio Show, I have the right in the good old US of A to decide who is on my show.
If I fire Don Imus, I don't stop his right to say whatever he wants in Times Square.
i end his right to use MY SHOW to say it on.
If you want to hire him for your show, go right ahead.
CBS has the right to censor material on its shows, and performers.
you and i have the right not to listen to CBS if we don't like the way they make decisions.
April 17, 2007 4:40 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 17, 2007 16:40
This is what you get with cultural marxism....hypocricy and double standards. It is ok if I do it but it is not ok if a white guy does it. America in regression to the days of oppression. Wholy cow...I wonder what the founding fathers and those who gave their lives for freedom and liberty would have to say about this. Clear censorship but saying this would be politically incorrect. Some people are indeed worth more than others....who or what is next?
April 17, 2007 3:42 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 17, 2007 15:42
Of course the Rutgers women are due and apology. But what is the Tennessee team due? It is most certainly due more than benign neglect
I am amazed that no one seems to realize that an apology is due from many people including Imus for the utter neglect of the accomplishments of the women's team from the University of Tennessee. The Lady Vols, as you may or may not remember in the wake of the Imus controversy, beat Rutgers for their 7th national title. Coach Summit, who has won each of the championships, has won more games than any coach in the history of college basketball. It is no exaggeration to say that she is the single person most responsible for the present popularity of women's basketball. There is a real story of major accomplishments here by both coach and players. The young women of Tennessee, including the national player of the year, Candace Parker, have been ignored and deprived of their rightful place in the sun. How about giving their story some coverage?. That would be an act of justice and fairness for team of fine young women. Perhaps even Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson would find it inspiring. But then again, you may of course have to apologize to them if they are outraged by a story in which African Americans were not depicted a victims of a racist nation.
April 17, 2007 3:25 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 17, 2007 15:25
Dr. Lazare,
Don Imus's best choice would have been to follow your very sensible advice.
His next-best choice would have been to think: NEVER APOLOGIZE NEVER EXPLAIN.
His worst choice was to do what he did: apologize while not really apologizing.
He shouldn't have been fired though. The Al Sharptons and the media bosses imposed the death penalty in haste for what amounted to going 30 MPH in a 25 MPH zone.
As for Gwen Ifill, she brought Imus's insult on herself by not returning his phone calls. Very rude and boorish on her part.
Imus had a great, socially useful program. We heard interesting discussions with important and interesting people which were enlightening. They're all gone now, and nothing will replace their unique character.
April 17, 2007 1:54 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 17, 2007 13:54
To Randy:
Your point is well taken, appreciate your comments. I agree that racism has deeper roots and this could just be symptomatic of a bigger problem. But have you noticed how, now when anyone talk/writes about the Rutgers team, has to have a few adjectives preceding their names: exceedingly talented, beautiful etc etc. Not to say they are not, but is it really that big a deal that some crackpot says something and the whole nation is up in arms over it (maybe as you said, I just don't get it). Do you not think this really drives the wedge deeper?
Of course, I read Gwen Ifill's editorial in NYT, and do see her point of view. I have to say I have nothing but respect for the lady. I also have to say Imus was being a foul-mouthed SOB when he called her a cleaning lady going into the white house...and that I can definitely agree is both racist and sexist. But this... maybe I just don't get it!
April 17, 2007 1:28 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 17, 2007 13:28
Imus should not have apologized to the clowns who pursued him. He should have told them to go to hell.
LET IMUS BE IMUS.
April 17, 2007 1:24 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 17, 2007 13:24
For "Irritated", I have this to say: You don't get to decide that this is, "not a big deal". You obviously dont get it. It Clearly is a BIG DEAL to many many people, that dont include you.
The reason something like this touches off the firestorm it does is precisely because many minority employees of media companies and their advertisers were outraged. They pushed this issue to the level of attention it has received. Furthermore, the BIGGER problem in this nation is that there are way too many people like you, who minimize what this (larger) issue means. Yes, as one incident, it seems insignificant, but anyone can see that it touches on a larger course-ness, rudeness and vulgarity which exists everwhere in our American culture. Whether that is white radio, black hip-hop or anything else.
I saw part of a larger discussion of this whole enchillada on Oprah's show yesterday and it really was excellent. I recommend those who don't think this issue is in need of a lareger diaologue to check it out today (I believe part II is today?)
We have all become cynical to things perceived as "PC" or a double standard. Unfortunately that mind set is used to minimize issues like this. Using denigrating speach is entirely too common and acceptable in this society and we should call it on the carpet when we see it.
April 17, 2007 1:05 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 17, 2007 13:05
DON IMUS FOR PRESIDENT. MICHAEL RICHARDS FOR VICE PRESIDENT. I WOULD LIKE SOMEONE WITH REAL GONADS IN THE WHITE HOUSE!
ALSO, WE NEED THE LEECH-LOSERS, SHARPTON, AND JACKSON, TO KEEP RACISM ALIVE, WHAT HAPPENED TO KEEPING HOPE ALIVE?
I'M SICK OF ALL THIS. AFTER 142 YEARS, SOMEONE SHOULD GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON!
'SIDES, WHAT WEIGHS MORE, A BOLL OF COTTON OR A PYRAMID?
April 17, 2007 12:58 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 17, 2007 12:58
Wow, a shock-jock said something wildly inappropriate!!
Oh my goodness.
I just hope these fine ladies somehow find the strength to perservere.
Thank goodness he was fired and now we are safe from dumb, sleazy people saying dumb, sleazy things to entertain even dumber people driving to work.
Wow, three cheers for Al Sharpton!!!
He will neeed our prayers as he will now undoubtedly go after rappers and comedians who use such vulgar language.
God speed my man....God speed
April 17, 2007 11:40 AM | Report Offensive Comments
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