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John Conolley

I did a little research and I know it wasn't me involved in a discussion of the Tel Dan Inscription. I know it is inscription found in Israel in The city of Dan. Thats all I know.

Well we can be third graders about this. Stick and stones can break my bones.etc.etc. John Conollet I am not sure what Tel Dan is and if my jwest is on it maybe someone refered to something I said. Do you have a link? Freevoice take a deep breath.

JWest:

I saw your named mentioned on several sites in connection with the Tel Dan inscription. What's the latest on that? I'm in a big argument about it on another thread.

Freevoice:

"Sorry but I have no interest in strife, chaos and confusion."

You certainly can't tell it by the way you blew up at Khote14.

"When I asked John Conolly (sic) this question..."

I seem to recall I told you not to project your weirdness on me. If you sense fear, I guarantee you can't sense it at this distance. You better look around over at your house.

"Calling me arrogant and hateful is a cheap personal attack..."

What do you call this:

"People like you make the world a very dangerous place......because of your sheer arrogance and viciousness." (Freevoice)

atheist point the finger at Christians but forget that at the same time the finger comes right back to them. Cause and effect and that has nothing to do with religion that's how nature works. You need to stop and listen to yourself and wonder where your fear comes from instead of blaming Christians for your own insecurities.

When I asked John Conolly this question in another topic...he simply did not respond. Check yourself. Calling me arrogant and hatefull is a cheap personal attack but I am used to it.

"It is better to be hated than loved." Machiavelli

Freevoice,
If you could just step back and out of yourself and hear what you say, you'll hear the hatred and intolerance coming out of you some of us are talking about. You have no special right because you think you and only you possess the truth. You don't know the truth anymore than anyone else does. Somewhere along the line you came to a conclusion and when you did you must have decided that if people didn't agree with you then they are bad. Let me tell you something. News Flash! That is why so many christians have been so quick to kill others over the centuries. You can't deny or defend that statement. You forgot to listen to Jesus and are what is considered an American christian. Just full of yourself. Selfish, thinking that you can bully your way through this society because of what you believe. You are supposed to be humble. Instead I find you arrogant and intolerant. It is you and intolerant christians like you the are doing the hating. Our founding fathers were deist not christians but you tell a lie each time you say they were christians. This nation was not founded as a christian nation but instead our founding fathers made sure religion was NOT part of our government. People were fleeing England's religious persecution by puritans and people like yourself want this country to be controled by puritans. In addition christianity is failing in the homes and churches of this country and there are forces at work to try to force religion and the bible on the population through government fiat. Some of us say no.

Pathetic, truly pathetic.

Matt Clifton, thanks for your last post well said. Praise the Lord!

John Connoly is not interested in a debate, he only wants to agitate. Sorry but I have no interest in strife, chaos and confusion. I am at peace in the name of the most high and I want to keep it that way.

JWest

If atheist in this country were an oppressed group they would not have the right to use the court system and other means to further their agenda to demand that God be taking out of public places. One atheist sees it fit to force his want down the throat of everybody else is that not oppression. America is a society with religious freedom at its foundation. Any one has the right to believe or not to believe, but the minute an individual or group demands the right to take away the liberties of others because it does not suite them you have a problem.

Why do atheist consider themselves to be a group in a free society where individual liberty is protected? As a group they can demand and claim special victim status and use that to further their political agenda. This is only possible in America because of the founding principles on the US constitution which was writing by men who believed in God. atheist are using religion to futher their political agenda of cultural Marxism.

TOM:

It would be a very small God, indeed, Who could not accurately reveal Himself in form of communication that is not subjective!

God has revealed Himself in His word, the Bible, and it is non-subjective. Some will say there are "different interpretations" of scriptures, but the bottom line is that the truths that man needs to know about God are easy to discern for the one truly seeking.

"Truths" that contradict each other cannot both be right. This is a basic fact of logic.

When man gains this understanding, instead of trying to live in the post-modern world of situational-ethics he has created for himself, perhaps he will find God's truths, instead of altering them to suit his own fancy.

God bless you!

Freevoice, Khote14,

I'm going to step into an argument that isn't any of mine, because... well, because I'm a busybody.

"Who crowned you to be the king and moral arbiter?" He wasn't arbitrating anything. He was merely stating his opinion. You certainly don't mind stating yours. And you certainly flew off the handle and threw around the insults. It looks to me like attempted oppression. Maybe you need to think about taming your beast.

As for passing judgment, he, and everyone else, has the right to judge between sense and nonsense.

KHOTE14

If you read your own post you will find exactly what is wrong with atheist who are supposedly being oppressed by Christians. You pass judgement on others.

"I find believing in gods that were invented by primitive barbarians to be ... well, barbaric."

You find believing in gods barbaric because others do and you don't....who crowned you to be the king and moral arbiter? The hidden tyranny of the atheist who cry foul when believers stand up to defend their right to believe.

People like you make the world a very dangerous place......because of your sheer arrogance and viciousness.

Christians know that believing in something other than their own flesh tames the beast in them....something for you to ponder.

William McGrath

The gods have blessed you with wisdom and compassion.

I, a godless type, join them all in their approbation of your humane communication

Att: Will J Mcgrath et al:

Good News Mon. You are no longeran "Atheistic" like KHOTE14. Nor And you are an longer Agnosticated lost person.

You Have The ECLAi-On of You. You are gradually going to see the Heuristical HUMATE that your Photo Finitely, carbon based, essence is beautiful and that we never die.

Just be good on Space-Ship Earth in this TRANSFINITY (Your Immortal Reality moving in stnch from place to place in TEMPERATURE (TIME).

Ya Ya Mons!

Even though there are many religions common sense tells us that there is only one truth. When will religious people acknowledge that fact. It would be beneficial if there could be a meeting of all denominations with the goal of finding the truth or reality that includes all of humanity. When we can do that, we will be on the road to world peace.
When I say all denominations, to me that includes atheists and agnostics.

Att: KHOTE "Atomic #14"

Do agree that be came from the MAGMA-Triculation in Miracle and Zero SIN via the "Non-Visible" Light Spectrum frequency?

Do you agree that WE go to 5th Dimension again via the PLASMA-Triculation Photonic interface via the "Visible light" Spectral frequency.

Do you believe in the Universal Palandrome of the Systaltic Cosmic Holy photonic Vibrating Heartbeat, of which YOU, not just me?

Khote14;

What do you not grasp mon? Please Cyber friend. I will lend you me ears. ya ya. SHOLOM!

JOZEVZJACOB, are you high on something, what are you smoking?
Do you actually expect anybody to understand that chaos you're writing here?

Oh well, now that the trolls are here, it's time to go.

Dr Quinn,
I like your medicine, Man.

Very sensible, a rare combination of the spiritual and the reasonable. My brother William would be proud of you.

Underlining a couple of points raised:
Atheists like myself completely affirm the right of Christians and others to believe in God as they wish.

We think that belief in God is NOT justified by Faith or by any other basis, and we feel it is both our right and duty to make our case and have it be part of the public discourse, just as believers often maintain the opposite.

It is certainly not true that only ignorant and uneducated people believe in God, but there is strong evidence that the more intelligent one is, the less likelihood that they will believe in a personal God.

Finally, I believe that Buddhist practice is the most elevated spiritual discipline developed by humans, the most humane, inclusive, and the most in sych with our increased knowledge about the world through scientific progress and increased understanding of moral principles and process.

Att: J WEST et al:

You said, "Atheists are an oppressed group in this country and christians are doing the oppressing. I want to live in a free society in America not a theocracy.." Interesting!

The ECLATi-On Faith is here. I agree with you here. But NOW you, I and other Brother and Sisters will know the Eclat in Each HUMATE.

Atheism and Theocracy are both dead, as far as the Eclati-On HEURISTICS "TRANSFINITY" Belief is conserned. IT (g-d) was born in NEW YORK not the MIddle East niether.

Ya Ya. Fear not you are an IT and of the ITSELF in Biofinite Miracle on the plane of the Photonic Spectrul Frequency Lines Grid Form.! Enjoy you Biofinite Miracle in Love, Peace & Justice in Heuristical Knowledge.

Freevoice, you can ask that question if you wish, mine was why the hatred for atheists by christians. I don't hate christians, many are my friends and family. Live and let live. Atheists are an oppressed group in this country and christians are doing the oppressing. I want to live in a free society in America not a theocracy.

To ALL the Sisters and Brothers.

(g(-(d ( (i (s( ( O.U.R.S. )&) ) k)n)o)w)s) ) a)l)l))

“Plurality In Singularity of a “ONE Universal Religion System” for ALL Humanity in ALL Posterity”

WE need a HEALING of The FIVE Bibles of all Pre-Apocalyptic Faith "Systems that exist Today.
WE need a "ONE UNIVERSAL RELIGION SYSTEM" Bible so to speak. A/k/a O.U.R.S.

Praise SOURCE ONE! One can interchange the word UNITY with Universal if you wish. Ya.

We need to Establish in the U.N. A FAITH EXCHANGE Body in order to establish the much desperately needed and awaited “ONE-UNIVERSAL-RELIGION-SYSTEM book, a/k/a O.U.R.S. Through such dialog!

And all sentences will be approved by the International VOTARY ASSOCIATION and in turn will cast a YES or a NO on each question or fact or reality finding, that will become a valid entry and a inseparable valid -part of the NEW SONG via the establishment of the OURS book. All transcribing or recording of the OURS, taken Sura by Sura, line by Line, here a little there a little.

Each of their NEW CLAUSES, so to speak, will be known as the “Stable Definition Factor” therein and thereof for the ushering into a great Epoch and for the Universal Healing of all National Cultures and Traditions for World Peace, Happiness, prosperity and ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT via “Gridarian Democracy” movement that will form the Body of O.U.R.S.

Freevoice: I am certainly atheist, I know atheists, I don't know of one who wants to stop christians from believing. Why, that would be doing the same thing that you believers do - forcing others into the same mindset.
This is the kind of thing that weak believers do. Unable to completely convince themselves, they find it more useful to surround themselves with other believers. Seeing those of us who don't believe causes you believers a great deal of trouble, why?

And finally, I have to respect your right to believe what you want, but I have no duty to respect what it is that you believe. Are you able to distinguish this? I find believing in gods that were invented by primitive barbarians to be ... well, barbaric.

"Hinduism, Buddhism, and Taoism do not own the rights to “spiritual practices.” Such practices are simply more visible in these religions, where they have been developed from antiquity to highly refined disciplines and form the bases for numerous scriptural treatises."

"Modern religions are typically more concerned with temporal power that with spiritual authority."

And this is the cold hard truth...religion is being used as a tool to further peoples personal political agenda's. The new form of tyranny!

JWest:

Also ask yourself why do atheist want to deprive Christians of the right to believe....by trashing their faith and ridicule them as brainless uneducated sheep.

My question is why do religious people hate those that don't believe. The things christians blame on atheist would have you believing they are criminals and baby rapers everyone when in all actuality they are just average people who have learned to question.

dear doctor,
for your Ph.D you are not very illuminating. an analytical idea of different practises and drawing parallels entirely misses the idea of why are we doing it. a scholarly idea about god, isn't like being god or achieving god or reaching any level of consciousness than the present one. why nirvana, is that the end of where mind enters or is there any further? if suffering is phenomenal reality and a quisecence path to liberation (moksha) that is found in nirvana, then what or who triggered a phenomenon. would then the true reality be a sadist who triggered movement for its own pleasure and gave the human the ability to escape that through moksha as if a concession? the yogis have tried to answer these questions in vedas (rig-veda) and upanishads. do go through it.

"Finally, because true spiritual development is normally an individual and solitary undertaking"

It is unexamined and unsupported presuppositions like this one that drive so much of interfaith debate and foreclose interfaith dialogue.

Christianity, from its trinitarian understanding of Deity to the emphasis on koinonea and ecclessia is relational through and through.
The narcissistic seekers of private religious experience misunderstand the core of Chrisitan doctrine because they view it through the distorted lens of eighteenth century secular enlightenment philosophy.

"Finally, because true spiritual development is normally an individual and solitary undertaking"

Yeah, thanks for clearing that up buddy...

Key word "On Faith" not "On Religion" or On Exposition of a discussion of Religion. There seems to be quite a few "assumptions" stated in this response, the same as or even more so than the responses of those that this particular person looks to address.

Matt Clifton

Generally speaking, the more complex the problem, the greater likelihood that there is more than one solution. It is almost sure to include answers that we do not yet know and may be incapable of understanding. You appear to have a very little God.

ATT: Dr. W.W. Quinn et al:

Here is a nice Eclati-On Poem:

"There is NO bitterness

like that of the devout

Who believe in a Lie

And finally find out,

Nor is there ANY strength

like that based on TRUTH

Discovered through long suffering

Which began in ones YOUTH!

HENCE: "Common Sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age 18."

- By: Albert Einstein.

Just for the Record: As my "Fore Runner" Albert is My Great Prophet & Father of the HEURISTICS that is become my Insight & Pattern recognition aware of My own RELATIVITY. Our Prophet confronted, Have seen & Heard ECLAT's, so called, "Spooky-Stuff" that is TRANFINITY (Our Reality in spontaneous motion) of ITSELF (g-d thing).

So Let there be PHOTONS and Remember, WE NEVER was created nor can we be destroyed. Wherefore think in Thermal Dynamics so to speak. And Never via ANY of our current Ancient & PRE-Apocalyptic Religious systems of such Lores & of their previous Epochs's today.

This Includes not just the ABRAHAMIC COPY CATS but also ALL the VEDIC GEETA Copy Cats (Hindu/Buddhism et al too. Ya Mons!

Note: “Many Islamic countries still have Sharia laws on their books (Judges of punishment use both Hadith codes or Keys w/Koran) which punish apostates and blasphemers (Mohammads Contrarians) with death, whipping, stoning, Hand chopping etc., And all this, accordance with their cult leader's teachings [Imams, Clerks, Sultans, Shia etc.”

Thank you for saying what has needed to be said for so long on the On Faith blog. I tire of the many attacks on other peoples religions that I read here and thirst for generosity, understanding and acceptance of all religions on the part of respondees. I find it repugnant that many posters do not practice what are the basic tenets of their own religions.

QUOTE: "First, there is no consensus about what constitutes the laws of the God of Abraham, with the possible exception that there is but one God. Those laws are set forth in the Torah, the New Testament, and the Qu’ran, so not only are there the three distinct major “Abrahamic” divisions, there are innumerable denominations and sub-divisions within them."

Dr. Quinn, "consensus" does not make right. The very fact that there are religious beliefs that are diametrically opposed to one another should logically tell us that someone is wrong.

Jesus said the path to heaven is narrow and few find it (Matt. 7:14). Many (the majority, it seems) will find instead destruction.

Either the practice of eastern mysticism (or mysticism of any kind, for that matter) for a Christian is wrong, or it is not. It cannot be a subjective, either/or choice.

Good post Dr. Quinn. I enjoyed it.