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as a peaceful muslim, ill define myself and conduct my energies as i see fit.

if you cant find evidence of muslims speaking out for reason and peace- that is your lack of intitiative, and no reflection on muslims.

do your own homework.

The bottom line is it doesn't matter how much you say Islam is a "peaceful" religion. Actions speak louder than words. ISlam is a radical, dangerous religion that needs to either change or be destroyed.

Just once I'd like to see a crowd of Muslims protesting terrorism and burning effigies of Osama Bin Laden. Instead,all we see are muslims burning American flags. Sorry, you're not fooling America like you have Europe with your claims of being "peaceful." Fortunately (or unfortunately) Europe is discovering the truth now with riots in their suburbs, murders of artists expressing free speech, etc.

If you are a peaceful muslim, then stop wasting your time defending Islam and start preaching to your "brothers" that violence in the name of religion is WRONG. Inseatd of spending your ebnrgy trying to convince the rest of us that Islam is "peaceful" you should be spending it convincing your fellow Muslims to behave in such a manner.

I have read all of the prior posts with great interest . . . thanks for the variety of thought! In many ways I share Tom's views and Frank's quest for greater enlightenment of why radical/extemist behavior is tolerated to such great extent by a religion that professes to stress "Peace."

I recently read a book by The Enemy at Home by Dinesh D'Souza who, in my opinion, provides sound (read factual) reasoning that addresses the fundamental questions posed by Tom and Frank . . . a point of view that will amaze you because it provides answers to all of the paradoxical issues offered on this topic. I encourage you to check this book out of your local library and give it a read . . . no matter what side of the issue you've taken so far, I'm certain you'll be surprised by the insights you'll gain.

I promise you, when it comes to Islam and Western thought, you'll come to see what the present struggle is really all about and, more importantly, how we can work together to make this a more peaceful world. Again, thanks for sharing your thoughts!!!!

dont be ridiculous tom2, i dont know you- i dont like or dislike you- and i certainly am not expending the energy to hate a name posted on a blog-
i dont have any feelings about you tom-
think what you want, its not my business-
probably you in your experience encounter alot of radical people because you have a radical view-
i dont recognize many of the names here- but ive been pretty vociferous AND articulate in my condemnation of hatred or violence espoused in the name of islam-
if someone wants to hate- they will-
no amount of reason will change that-
its also pretty silly to find examples of haters from any religion as post them as representative-
so i dont do that-
i can post links(as ive done) you wont read them-
i can speak eloquently and articulately and reasonably,but if the tone is anathema to what you want to believe to justify your hatred, your heart will make you try to deconstruct it to prove your own hatred-

so theres no point to arguing-
Islam is overwhelmingly a system that trumps negative behavior before it can be undertaken-

islam is a religion that proposes peace, and ways to live peacefully-

the real issues are never discussed- how it applies in society-
what is the christian or atheist deterrant to violence?
they havent even gotten to the point where they have postulated on these things-

what do you do with a murderer or rapist or thief?
how do you conduct yourself in war?
the geneva convention, while its borrowed a myriad of points from islam, still falls far short of the codes of war in islam- in islama combatant, if they cry peace- is not to be molested in any way- they are to be fed as the soldiers are- treated humanely- even released if they give only their WORD that they will cease hostilities-

there are many comprehensive concepts in islam for the protection of society and its weakest members-
while western philosophy is saying everyone is free to do whatever they want- the freedom of the individual eclipses the good of society in many instances-
there is no recognition of human nature in this concept- if you want something- take it-

how is that superior to the philosophy of taking into consideration how ones selfsih actions will impact their society as a whole?
its all a cleanup mentality- when something happens that is truly heinous to its members, THEN there is a short lived attention given to the problem- and quickly conceived short term solutions t make it appear that it has been rectified-
how about this- our creator is already aware of our weaknesses and abilities to corrupt any good thing- and has given us a guide to deter bad behaviors- and a balance of good for individual and for society at large-

there is no extremism allowed in islam-
a man who spent all his time worshiping in the mosque was asked by Muhammad(peace be upon him)how his family was getting along with him being in the mosque all the time, and was chided for his extreme worship! and told his wife has rights over his time and energies and he must fulfil them-

balance and moderation even in worship

reason is supposed to prevail- one is not exhorted to blindly follow ones angers or passions at all-
those who do this, are not practicing the precepts of islam- which calls for moderation in all things-

man has subjected man (and especially women) to their detriment throughout history-

1400 years before my grandmother could own property muslim women have a right to their own protected property-
1400 years before african americans could even vote or be considered more than 3/5 of a human being- islam demanded that all humans be as equal as the teeth of a comb-
why do you think african american men in prison flocked to islam in the 20th century?

because it gave them license to kill the white man? NO
because it recognized their god-given status as fully worthy members of the human race-

do we see militant islamist coming from the ranks of the nation of islam today?
NO- warith deen, the son of its founder elijah extols a movement away from the extremism of NOI, towards mainstream and egalitarian islam-
a call to TRUE islam that appeals to the sense of rightness in peoples hearts.
certainly there are political and social misfits who try to justify their own wrong actions with their religion- but the core of their ambitions lies with their own disenfranchisement- not with their study of islam and its application-

in islam we have 2 exhortations to peace in our lives- one is as an individual to be forebearing and patient and hold our peace even in the face of aggression-
the other is as a society there is no allowance for aggression towards our neighbors- the pre-emptive strike being a peculiar and non-islamic idea-
only in the defensive mode is one allowed to protect ones home or faMILY, AND THEN WHEN THE AGGRESSOR CEASES- WE MUST IMMEDIATELY CEASE-

THESE ARE THE PRECEPTS OF ISLAM- IF ONE TRANSCENDS THEM- HE OR SHE IS NOT ACTING ISLAMICALLY-
oops= caps-
well, thats enough for now-
as for your contention that i must surely repay your hatred with more hatred, that would be inerrant and unislamic behavior on my part-

i must instead bear with patience any misinformation or slander and counter it with information and gentleness

i am really really not of the same philosophy that evil cannot be recounted with kindness-
as i have quelled many a savage breast with a kind word in my life-
when people are in extreme situations, they enact extreme responses-

suicide is completely and unequivocally against the precepts of islam-
it is a 20th century phenomenon and was actually invented by the irishman collins-
the real question is, what are the infringements upon those who feel compelled to take such desperate actions-
remove the impetus for the actions-
concentrate on the rights of all humans-not just those with heavy pockets-
islam already calls for this to be the path-
hatred of the other is the problem here- not in any way a solution-
it is a self perpetuating cycle that has not had any success in history and a foolish way to conduct oneself
also, such a call to hatred denudes one of the right to criticize anyone else who hates.

so, as a muslim, i have to denounce both the abuse of islam by the proponents of violence-
and the verbal and emotional abuse compounding the problem by reciprocating hatred.
peace

Mr Ambassador,
I really do sympathise with you, seeing as you're between a rock and a hard place. The simple truth, however is that, today, Islam is the most intolerant of religions and muslims are the most intolerant of any and all believers. A few examples may suffice: in Afghanistan, a country where over 99% of the population is muslim, what possible benefit did the Taliban gain by destroying centuries-old Buddha statues? If anything, one would have thought that the continued existence of the statues served as a reminder of the move by the people from "idol worship" to the true religion. Certainly, all the muslim governments that had ruled in that country for CENTURIES had never considered them to be antithetical to the muslim nature of the country. In your own country, a Taliban-style government would dismantle the pyramids under the pretext of strengthning Islam. 2ndly, muslims are wont to harp on the Koranic verse that says that there is no COMPULSION in religion; yet it is the case, Sir, as I'm sure you know, that in many muslim states, it is a capital offence to change religions! Even in Malaysia, that most liberal of muslim states, I'm sure you have heard of the case of the woman who converted to Christianity over a decade ago and is still in the courts trying to regularise her changed status! Of course she's quite lucky to be a Malay; in Saudi Arabia she'd probably have been executed long ago and the whole business forgotten. I'm sure, Sir, that you can think of quite a few more like these. The rest of the world have no choice but to judge Islam on the behaviour of its adherents; you say that the hate-mongers are a few, and you may be right, but what we have heard is a deafening silence from the majority that you speak for condemning these so-called few. Can you blame us for not believing you? Perhaps if you were arresting them and bringing them to justice instead of giving them succour and support in every way you can we'd be a bit more sympathetic. "Mea virtute me involvo", whilst codemning these unknown "few" will not help.

Victoria,

The radical muslims have created the hate that is reflected on them. They have no role in creating hate itself. If they were to show love and compassion, they would be responsible for the feelings returned to them as well. I'm not talking about some metaphysical creation of emotion. I'm talking about the real world. They hate me...I hate them back. Simple. Direct. Human. When they stop, I will. They created the hate; I didn't. I have never killed someone for god, and have never condoned the killing of someone for god, unlike islam.

Your feelings about me are wrong. Before 9/11 I new what islam was. It has been hateful for all of my life. I'm old enough to remember all the attacks. 9/11 was just over the top. The initial premise of this thread was that the hate and violence were some kind of aberration. They're not. They have been going on for a long time.

Your unsophisticated attempt to portray me as a hate-, fear-monger are wrong. You don't know me. I hate the evil that is destroying the world. I must be a bad man by your reasoning.

Also by your reasoning (you being a muslim) *I feel* that you hate me for what I've written. Where is the love you proclaim? I certainly haven't felt it here from you. Have you fought the evil, or have you tried to hide it, rename it, excuse it. Just blogging about it doesn't count.

so by your reasoning tom, since muslims bear the onus for hatred, having created it- do they also bear the responsibility (and credit) for having created the love, the fear the hope?

your words will resonate with those that have the hatred in their hearts-
but will find little resonance with those with reality, wisdom or kindness in their hearts.

i have a feeling that before 911, when people had no idea what islam was- you had another nemesis to hate or fearmonger-

you have very odd reasoning

Prince Caspian,

I post to expose the truth as I see it.

I use the tone that I do in an attempt to shake the politically correct scales from the eyes of the victims, and with scant hope; the violence-prone scales from the eyes of the perpetrators.

My view is that the arguments against the evil are well know but not spoken, and not well articulated. To me, these ARE the genuine arguments against the evil. I speak forcefully to reinforce the view.

I don't apologize for my tone. I don't believe that taking a civil tone that aims to placate the evil has worked. It didn't work prior to 9/11. We turned out heads after several attacks on peace loving people and the evil saw the effects it craved.

I don't hate muslims, per se. I do hate islam and muslims who perpetrate violence or tacitly condone it in the hope that thru passive non-involvement they will reap the benefits of both modern civilized society and, maybe, if they're lucky, a return of the caliphate.

I don't apologize for hate. It is an emotion, not an aberration. I control its physical manifestation, but examine and channel the intellectual reaction to its cause. To deny that hate exists is to also deny love, fear, hope, and all the other biological defenses we were created with.

We won't win over the evil with kind words. Reasoned arguments bounce off their armor of dogma. I speak what I see as the truth and hold it up to the light. Let them look at it as we see it. Let them feel the animosity, and yes, the hate. They created it.

With respect,

Tom2

TOM2, I'd like to know: Are you posting because you hate Muslims or because you love the truth?

If it's the former, you're actually advancing the cause of those whose ends you despise, since with your sarcasm you deflect attention from the genuine merits of the argument against them. If it's the latter, then you do injury to the truth you love on the same principle. Either way, it seems to me that your tone is counter-productive to the end you seek.

For better or worse, Muslims make much of the opposition they encounter, and many of them wear it as a badge. That's their prerogative; but for my part, I will strive to give them nothing to use in that manner but rational arguments spoken sincerely in the interest of exposing the truth.

Let's examine the premise of the initial post. Maybe it can be summed up as 'Islam is good with a few bad actors'. Really?

Islam has managed to piss-off most of the people in the world.

• Jews: Muslims hate jews and kill them left and right. Old news.
• Christians: This is somewhat new. 9/11, London bombings, Madrid bombings, assassinations in Europe, etc. REALLY pissed-off the Christian nations. BIG strategic error. Nice job, Islam.
• Hindus: Muslims have been blowing them up night and day for a long time. Old news.
• Buddhists: The Taliban destroyed the Buddhas of Bamyan. Remember that fiasco? Wow. When you've pissed-off the Buddhists, you KNOW you've gone too far.

So, okay, why should the world respect Islam? I'm confused. What is it about the Religion of Peace® that is good and holy?

I don't get it. Maybe one of you enlightened Islamists can fill me in.

Ambassador Fahmy,

With respect, your job is political, not religious. Your attempt to gloss over the evils of your religion, Islam, has failed. The attempts of small-minded Islamists fail every day. Your great-greatgrandchildren will ask their peers "why did my forefathers hate and kill everyone? Were they animals?"

Just as muslims tacitly approve of all the death and destruction that Islam has perpetrated on the world, the rest of the world tacitly approves of the ideological [not physical] destruction of Islam. You didn't count on the internet and the rapid exchange of ideas. Your strategic error. Too bad. Too late to correct.

Egypt is the home of the Muslim Brotherhood, an Islamist group that preaches hate and destruction and has spread it far and wide, and especially thru Al Qaeda. At least the west and other religions know how to clean house and take out the trash, unlike your country and your religion.

I suppose you gambled, with your transparent political post, on a weak response from a politically correct Washington Post audience to advance your hidden agenda: Advance Islam in opposition to a weak and "godless" west.

It has failed. Better luck next time.

"LA
ILLAHA
ILLA ALLAH
MOHAMMED RASUL ALLAH"

Saying it doesn't make it so. Ask yourself how you REALLY know this. Is the Qur'an your authority? How is it authenticated? Why is faith in the words of this book enforced under penalty of death? Could it not stand on its own merits?

Either God spoke to Mohammed or he didn't. One day we will all know the same answer. Take care that you have really chosen the side of truth.

For those who do not know what the words above mean, I believe they are roughly translated as "There is no god but Allah and Mohammed is Allah's apostle/prophet".

I believe it's used dogmatically by devotees of Islam to express their strong belief in their god and the teachings of Mohammed, and as an initiation into Islam.

More germane to this discussion, if you speak the first three lines out loud you might recognize the words from somewhere. "Where did I hear that? Where did I see that?" you may be asking yourself.

These were the words printed on the banner behind a kneeling Nick Berg as the brave hooded Islamists cut off his head with a long knife as he screamed in terror.

LA
ILLAHA
ILLA ALLAH
MOHAMMED RASUL ALLAH

guys, all religions have good points to them and all have bad points. no religion has it completely right but how can anyone judge eachothers religion and because no one can truly live two lives. Violence in religion pretty much proves no religion has it right. But why does that mean we cant be good ppl?

its not necessary to go to extremists like ms hirsi(who self- admittedly hates islam with her whole being, and is an atheist) hardly a credible source for balanced information- to find denunciation of wahabi style fundamentalism-

i was born in wisonsin and lived in america all my life, and i am a muslim woman of eurocentric ethnicity.

i dont like to hog the blog with long posts, so i provide links even though i realize few will bother to view them-

also arguing is a futile endeavor, and does nothing to serve peace.

i have seen america go from a country that knew nothing about islam, to a country filled with people who get their knowledge of islam from fox news and neocon rightwingers who do everything they can to spread fear and loathing-

sadly, it has worked quite well-

all i can say is that the qur'an overwhelmingly and consistently exhorts peace-

islam, the word itself, unlike other religions is not named after a prophet or saint, but means, literally, peace.

since people are not inclined to long reads-heres a video link
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3027558843506779651

so, if you want to ask a muslim woman- i am one-

i am not extremist, but moderate and peaceful and a proponent of peace my whole life-

for the record- i actively and vociferously denounce violence, terrorism, literalist and fundamentalist interpretation of (any) scripture-
did i forget anything?

i also denounce mindless reactionary fear and spreading of xenophobic paranoia and hatred.

peace all

Organized religion takes great pride in instructing its adherents in the ways of the faith and to make their actions flow accordingly in accordance with their beliefs. As Paul posted above "Muslims move to the West because it offers them freedom and opportunity and then try to destroy the West". The insulting and downright hypocritical nature of Muslim's actions, by being silent in the face of an attempt by their violent radical brothers and sisters in faith to kill all of us in the West. If Muslims who live in the West truly like it and would seek its survival, where are their voices. And someone tell me WHY all these Muslims who come to Western nations (especially London, where I originate), are given haven, legal protection, freedoms, and resources, turn around and demand the west be bombed to the ground. Tell me WHY these people shouldnt be put on the next plane back to whatever godforesaken country they came from. Instead they plead oppression from the colonial West, and use refugee visas to cling onto a country they despise but who's benefits they enjoy.
Islam is a deceptive and dangerous faith, preying on the ignorance of poverty, and lack of opportunity, and offering all the idea of an all-powerful God, whose identity as such has long been discredited. The God of the past is dead in the world today, and people now cling in to the void of where God used to exist for people.
In time, enlightenment and understanding will replace this need, and humanity will once again be on a stronger footing for *TRUE* secular, humanitarian peace, justice, liberty, and a loving society. None of the "Abrahamic" faiths has yet to deliver on such a promise. That should be proof enough that this religious construct just doesnt work.

Also, check out any modern writings by Muslim dissenters, refuting the idea that the wah'habi-style practices of so many modern Muslims and the governments they influence. See the writings of Ayann Hirsi Ali or Irshad Manji for a woman's point of view. As the recent conference in St. Petersburg, Florida, has shown, there is a small but vocal group of Muslims who don't agree with the violent nature of modern Islam and are working on reforming it to a TRUE religion of peace. I'm waiting for the Islamic apologists to start slamming the idea that any of these people are TRUE Muslims. Go ahead...you know you want to.

Andrew:

Thanks for your reasoned posting. While I have no faith myself in any after life scenerio, I have always respected the good works done by ANY person of faith in the name of that faith. The idea that a religion in today's world (Islam) actually REQUIRES violence against others as a tenent of their faith would seem to be the one defining point seperating Islam from other world religions. I love my Muslim brothers for their good works and generous hearts towards others, but I am afraid of them nonetheless for their calm declarations that I deserve death as a nonbeliever. While my Christian friends say that I will burn in Hell for being a nonbeliever, at least their version of the white bearded old man in the sky doesn't demand they hasten the day of my demise (except for a very small and often vocal Looney Toons minority). As long as Islamic scholars, leaders and followers don't fully repudiate the violence being caused in TODAY'S WORLD, then I won't trust their declarations of peace. It has been said here and from the Muslim leader's own mouths, anything may be said and done to deceive the unbeliever in order to ensure their destruction in the name of Allah. BE NICE TO EACH OTHER! If there is a daddy in the clouds, he's got a long belt to spank all of you with in the end :-)

mohamed thks for sharing with us and your geneorous offer to ship the quran cds to any who are interested-

i have seen the healing power of qur'an myself amd its lasting effects

peace and asalaamu alaikum

People fighting over religion is like two kids in the school yard fighting over who has the best imaginary friend.

Not a single one of you has any proof of your "prophets". I can sit outside and denounce any and all gods all day. Who wants to take bets I will be here next week and the week after and so on.

Educated people shouldnt fight over mythical figures. Warped people claim to be a prophet to control the minds and actions of the poorly educated, financially insecure, and the morally depressed. I've been reading this since yesterday, and I cant believe the crap that is being spewed on these pages. I have friends of all religions. The worst I have come across are Seventh day adventists. They are cultish, the muslim friends I have, mind their own religion and do not push their values on me and I dont push mine on them. Learn to respect people for people. If someone is good or bad, it is within them, they can blame it on their beliefs, but that is a scape goat. It is the individual.

The biggest issue I have seen is the lumping of all groups together. Look at the percentage of Muslims living in Poverty in the Middle East, where else do they have to turn? they are poorly educated and those are the easiest people to brainwash. Look at Muslims born within the United States, a different breed of people all together. Look at Christians in 3rd world countries, they are just as bad. How many Good Christians Bombed abortion clinics because they were doing Gods work? Poor, undereducated people have nothing else to look to for hope, so they are sucked up and transformed into what there "leaders" want them to be, but wont become themselves, for they have too much to lose.

Zain:

1. Palestinians' conditions have become worse under Hamas - yes, that is the result of Israel's and the West's response, but this response was completely predictable. Palestinians voted for Hamas even though it was clear it would worsen living conditions.
2. Yes, the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq is not the only one in the country attacking random civilians. But my point is that the overwhelming majority of Iraqis (Shias and Sunnis)voted for extremist religious parties.
3. Bin Laden clearly, publicly calls for massacring the infidel. Those who sympathise with him, even if they do not think him specifically responsible for 9/11, are condoning terrorism (he denied ordering 9/11 but praised the attacks). If they also claim to oppose attacking civilians for political ends, then either they do not consider ordinary Westerners as civilians, or they do not see this as 'political,' or do not see it as an attack (see it as self-defense?).

Hezbollah and the Muslim Brotherhood have also done well in elections.

To all those discussing the Quran:
There are lots of things the Bible tells Christians to do and they don't do (such as that the rich don't go to heaven), so discussing what the Quran says (rathern than what people actually do) doesn't seem that relevant. I don't think Muslims are inherently supporters of terrorism any more than I believe Italians are inherently Fascists or Germans & Austrians inherently Nazis. But supporters of terrorism in many Muslim countries are demonstrably a large percentage of the population rather than fringe groups rejected by the overwhelming majority.

Most people are sheep. They are depressed, miserable, hungry for something to believe, and can be easily turned with promise of absolution for their devotion to a particular cause or creed. This is true of Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Shintoists, Jews, Zoroastrianists, Rastafarians, Confuscianists, Taoists, Quakers, Amish, and every other religion conceived, and it is also true of atheists, agnostics, and apostates.
Therefore, no good can come from dicussing the numbers of adherents to radical Islam, or to any other faith or faith-based cult or sect, or the numbers killed, or the timeline of death. Numbers change; in a hundred years there may be more zealot Christians than there are zealot Muslims and the core issues will remain unchanged.
The core issue is this: every organized religion has a rooted self-interest in the conversion of unbelievers, the same as any corporation has a rooted interest in converting customers to its product: it's necessary to its own survival.
So when examining the state of a religion, one must examine two pillars of its existence:
1: The documents and doctrine used as a baseline for conversion and the promises offered by those doctrines as reward for being a convert or converting others
2: The means and methods employed by the priests of a religion for encouraging said conversion, specifically the tasks assigned to would-be converts by the high authority of a religion to insure its greatest rewards.

A religion becomes dangerous when one or both of two things happens: the promise offered by its doctrine becomes too great to resist, or the means to that promise is a grave threat to the lives and freedom of those not yet converted.

On these grounds, Islam stands as the most dangerous religion in existence today, because its core constituency (its high clerics or imams and other faith leaders) fail the basic test of humane behavior on both accounts. (Some of the other very dangerous ones are right here in the U.S., including Scientology and the Latter-Day Saints). Let's look at the two pillars for some of these religions in modern context (I am aware of the past transgressions of many of them, but the past is the past and cannot change.):

Christianity
Promise: Eternity in Heaven with the Lord after death.
Means: Conversion by persuasion, the would-be convert must profess faith in Christ to be saved and, for the pure Christian faiths, nothing more is required. Rejection of and penance for sin is supposed to be a byproduct of following Jesus' path. No violence is REQUIRED in this modern day.

Judaism
Promise: Same as Christianity, in effect.
Means: More of a "salvation by works" doctrine. The nature of the "works" is important; but certainly the prevailing wisdom on what are good works falls in the line of "love thy neighbor" and the like. No violence is REQUIRED in this modern day.

Mormonism (Latter-Day Saints)
Promise: the opportunity, after death, to become the God of another realm much like this one, and to be the father of its inhabitants.
Means: Mormons are overtly very peaceful, albeit forceful proselytizers. They maintain a standing "army" of about 20,000 missionaries, mostly men aged 18-20, who are told the missionary period is a tithe (literally, tenth) to God and their parents for the 18 years they were raised. There are growing reports that the church expands its influence in other ways; it has certainly expressed a desire to have political influence in America (witness Mitt Romney's presidential bid). Salvation in Mormonism is by works, not faith, and this makes it slightly more dangerous than Christianity or Judaism, but no violence is REQUIRED in the present day by its doctrine.

Scientology:
Promise: Godlike powers achieved as a result of becoming an OT (Operating Thetan). There's a lot of techobabble that goes with this, but suffice to say that Scientologists are told they can become something like living gods.
Means: Scientology has a short history, of course, and it is filled with many accounts of brainwashing, abuse, media manipulation, and even torture on the part of its highest-ranking members as means to further its existence. It's fair to say that, if Scientology had Islam's numbers, it would be more dangerous than Islam - greater promise, similarly unctuous and immoral means. Subversion and political manipulation would likely be followed by violence if this religion had the numbers (it's well-documented that L. Ron Hubbard, Scientology's founder, advocated all means of advancing his brainchild, including murder.)

Islam:
Promise: Same as Christianity or Judaism, save the name change for God to Allah and the occasional allusion to a host of virgins.
Means: Ah, here's the rub. Imams regularly call for the exile, public scorn, and execution of non-believers. The Qu'ran itself states that belief is needed, but adds good works as a corollary. Belief first, then works. This has a chilling effect - it means that an adherent Muslim believes the works of non-believers to be worthless, because they do not carry belief in Allah. Thus a person need not be admired for being a good person, if they are not Muslim. They are still an infidel. Other religions include pathways for believers to respect the works of others even if they do not believe those others can share the afterlife with them; Islam does not. "Unless a person's imaan or aqeedah is [correct], all his good deeds are worthless." ( http://www.answering-christianity.com/que6.htm ) On the belief side, as with Christians, Muslims are asked to believe in their God (Allah) and his prophet (Mohammed). The problem here is Muhammad was an infinitely more violent individual than Jesus, and preached and carried out violence in great measure, as documented in the Qu'ran - conversion by the sword. Jesus preached peace and love for thy neighbor and, to my knowledge, never killed or ordered death *as the son of God*. The following page makes the claim that, if Jesus *is* God, then he is answerable for God's killings in the Old Testament. ( http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/another_bible_myth.htm ) However, the page never links up Mohammed with Allah in the same way, which would surely add to his body count as well, and the fact remains that, as a flesh-and-blood embodiment of God (or as a man, which is as far as non-Christians would take it) Jesus was a pacifist, and killed no one.

The importance here, however, is not in the messenger, it's in the interpretation of the message in the modern day. The key HUMAN in the Bible set an example of tolerance, pacifism, and peaceful preaching and conversion. The key HUMAN in the Qu-ran set an example of murder, forced conversion, subordination of women, and hatred for unbelievers. It is certainly possible to interpret the Bible as a call to holy war, and a few Christians do, but the hugely vast majority do not, and more importantly, NEITHER DO THEIR MODERN-DAY PRIESTS. Islam is currently headed, in the Middle East, by a fractious contingent of war admirals who have the ear of their respective governments to a degree unheard-of (and unhoped-for) in the West.

Whoever it was who said Islam needs a Caliph to set an example of peace was correct, but how will one arise? How would he gain the ears that are at the moment turned so sharply to warmongering imams in the Arab world? And how would he deal with the core text of his faith, which says in clear print that nonbelievers can do nothing to make themselves worthy in the eyes of Muslims short of conversion? These questions must be answered.

In closing (and thanks if you read this far), I must note that I am a Zen Buddhist, and like all Zen practicioners I am saddened by the misunderstanding that leads to so much violence and death over so many millennia. John Lennon is probably right - in utopia, there is no religion. Only faith.

To all who think Islam is evil,

to answer some questions asked.
1. Muslims do speak out against terrorism, they just don't show it on tv. Some will say that's bs. But think about it, are you all going to believe that not a single muslim denounces violence? Of course there are many, and they give speeches at colleges and so forth but that never makes the news. WHY? because that would complicate things. It wouldn't fall into the political bs of how every muslim is violent. No one wants to see someone say hey your whole prejudice world about muslims has flaws. People want to see voilence and want to be proven right. And the news in this country is all about ratings and giving people what they want, not to educate. It's sad to see so many people repeat past mistakes. If you don't learn from history then it's bound to repeat itself. Not too long ago the world thought blacks were not equal as human beings, and being a jew was the evil religion. When will everyone learn life isn't that simple. No race makes you act in such a way, no religion either. It's sad to see people kill each other in the name of religion. But it doesn't just happen because of that. In a world away from the middle east, in California, the gangs Crips & the Bloods kill each other every single day. Not because of religion but because of society. When a society is engulfed in poverty the only possesion that is not costly is religion. So these people have nothing to lose but their faith. So the powers that be use that against them. The followers are too ignorant to learn otherwise. This happens in every society wether muslim, christian, or any other religion. I know i'm not going to convince anyone to change their mind, but at least think about it more. There is so much hate in the world these days.

Dear Mr. Fahmy,

Your claims about Islam may be true, although I have my doubts. What isn't true, however, is the idea that one can have a "sober, scientific" conversation about ANY religious faith. My problem isn't with Islam particularly, so much as with religion generally - all religious people have, to varying extents, suspended their ability to reason. Seeing as even peaceful expression of religion strikes me as dangerous, imagine how threatening violence in the name of religion seems to me: People are dying over differing interpretations of fiction.

Frank,

"instead of saying poor me, im islamic and people dont like me so ignore them, try answering the numerous questions that have been posed. reject those portions of the koran that demand hate and forced membership in islam."

Your questions are mired down with hate that destroys all credibility in your allusion to "curiosity".

And on what authority do you speak when you demand that the Islamic scripture be changed? Really, who do you think you are. You claim no credentials to support your nasty diatribes, no attained scholarship that gives you such insight into the faith that you can competently make such demands.

You sound like a raving lunatic, and have pretty much made this thread unreadable. If I felt so strongly against Islam, I wouldn't waste my time weighing down a message board on the web...I might start MY OWN blog.

You're not just an idiot, you're an "armchair idiot", which is really much more sad.

I love this...this level of hate against Muslims...we should actually post it on international websites so everyone knows the character of these people.

i have a question.
we are not supposed to judge islam by their history of violence. we are not supposed islam by their koran, which commands hate, torture, murder and forced acceptance of islam.
we are not supposed to judge islam by the millions that recently rioted all over the world for their right to force conversions and even called for the death of the pope when he simply referred to a 11th century pope who said that forced conversions were evil. we are not supposed to judge islam by the millions of christians they slaughtered in the armenian genocide when islamic turks killed them because they were christian. we are not allowed to judge them by the acts of straping bombs onto themselves or in cars and blowing up pizza parlors and ice cream parlors, or night clubs or children in school buses, because they are doing it to jews. we are not allowed to judge them by the sudan moving what military it has from the islamic north into the christian south and attempting to kill all the christians they can find. we are not allowed to judge them by the current islam on islam fighting that the sudan has going on between the islamic east and the islamic west. we are not allowed to judge them by the iranian fruit cake that wants a nuke to blow up israel and the western devils. we are not allowed to judge them by the acts of 911. we are not allowed to judge them by the acts of blowing up british and spanish subway systems. we are not allowed to judge them by the acts of the indonesian government in trying to whipe out the christians there, even as we give them billions they wore bin alden t-shirts to accept the money. i can go on and on and i have given specific instances in the far past and current times of islamic conduct. so my question is
WHO DO WE GET TO JUDGE ISLAM BY?
you got so blind def dumb 98 year old hidden away someplace that is supposed to be the person we judge islam by?

There has been NO killing on behalf of Christianity in modern times. Killing "by Christian nations" (i.e. World War I and World War II) has not been based on religious ideology. Yes, Hitler killed millions of Jews. But which nations stopped Hitler? Was it the Muslim nations that do not even want to admit that the Holocaust occurred? No, it was the U.S., Great Britain and other Christian nations.

Muslims move to the West because it offers them freedom and opportunity and then try to destroy the West. The Kuran is the playbook for all things evil in the world. The same cannot be said for the Bible or other religious texts. Islam needs to stop comparing apples with oranges and start examining its own brutality and its failure to support basic human rights for all people.

Unless and until the so-called moderate Muslims start supporting basic human rights for women and gays, and acknoweldge that government must be non-secular and provide fundamental freedoms to all people (regardless of religion) then I will see Islam the way most sane people see it today -- as the theology of hate.

Islam is a hateful religion. The claim that is the religion of peace only applies to fellow muslims. If you are not a muslim you are marked for death or servitude. Have you noticed how many muslims lie? Osama bin Laden said publicly "we have nothing to do with this" when commenting on the 9/11 horror. It was a lie. It was a BIG lie. If you're not a muslim you can be lied to, cheated, abused, even killed by muslims. You don't count.

Muslims tacitly approve of all the horrors that their brothers perpetrate across the globe.

The world would be mostly peaceful if it weren't for muslims. The Philippines, Afghanistan, Southern Russia, Indonesia...the list goes on. Most of the death and destruction is perpetrated by muslims intent on pleasing their god (and getting laid...in heaven).

Mohammed (suffering and agony upon him) was only a man, not a prophet. The small minded, weak spirited individuals that follow islam are fools.

Their is no god as man understands him. There never was. If there is a force or power that propels the universe it is beyond your understanding (and mine). No man will ever tell me what to believe. If god has not presented himself to me and everyone else, then he does not exist in the way you say.

You are fools if you believe in Islam. It is the religion of death, and when it is finally defeated in 100 years by IDEAS it will be to the everlasting shame of all muslims everywhere that they believed the lies, acted on them, or sat by tacitly approving all that has happened.

I hate organized religion, and especially Islam. It only causes suffering and pain. May all the hate you perpetrate or condone privately come back on you seven-fold (not that it will happen, of course; I don't believe in voodoo.)

Nabil Fahmy wrote: The crimes of crusaders should not be attributed to the core philosophy of Christianity . . .

The Crusades--which lasted for only about 250 years--were a REACTION to the preceding 400 years of violent, Muslim conquest.

North Africa and most of the current Middle East as well as large parts of Asia were originally part of our Greco-Roman-Judeo-Christian tradition. That was before the extremely violent Muslim conquests during which, those "infidels" who were not slaughtered, were given the "choice" of forced conversion, death, or 2nd class citizenship under Muslim rule.

This Muslim Jihad was definitely part of the "core philosophy" of Islam in which Jihad is considered a central duty of all Muslims, whether they engage themselves or support those who do. The founder, Mohammed, himself was the first Jihadi and called for violent Jihad.

No established, sizable Muslim groups (that I am aware of) have repudiated the doctrine of armed, violent Jihad.

After the violent (Jihad again) conquest and occupation of Spain by Muslims, it took the Christians 800 years to reconquer the countries (Spain, Portugal) and drive the Muslims out. Islamic Spain or Andalusia was far from the peaceful, tolerant society that Muslim apologists like to portray. For example, there were periodic massacres of Jews and Cristians--in 1066 more than 5,000 Jews were murdered. At one time, there was an inquisition in Andalusia which crucified and burned apostates 400 years before the beginning of the Spanish Inquisition (which might very well have been an imitation of Muslim practice). Islamic law still calls for the death of apostates which means death for anyone who has the courage to leave Islam.

So much for history. Mr. Fahmy thinks that we are all stupid and ignorant. After all, we are not superior like Muslims.

Islam is Sumpremicist, Imperialistic, Aggressive, and Violent.

We see the results of this all over the world, wherever large numbers of Muslims come into contact with others.

Mr. Fahmy, get over the Crusades! Muslims have done and are still doing far, far worse.

I'm not going to defend Islam and its messenger because it is not needed. But If you think Islam is an evil religion and the Koran promotes hate and murder, then why don’t you test it by listening to it and then be your own judge.

Kelly is a white catholic woman who tried to kill herself two years ago. She stayed in the mental hospital for two months. When she got out of the hospital, she had to see a psychologist twice a week for sessions and psychiatrist once a month for anti-depressant drug. Her psychologist evaluated her and planned to keep her for two years. She used to take a heavy sleeping pills before going to sleep and she would wake up in the middle of the night around 3:30 am. She was going through hell.

I met Kelly when she was seeing both doctors for 6 months and her life had not been improved at all. I offered her two CD’s contained a set of chapters from the Koran for her to listen while she was asleep. I told her not to take any sleeping and anti-depressant pills. As a result, she slept all night till the morning . the next day, she woke up so excited, energized for work.
She agreed to stop the sleeping pills right away and the anti-depressant after two weeks. In short, Kelly had listened to the Koran for more than a month and was totally recovered. Her psychologist was amazed how the Koran heeled her and is not even a Muslim.

You can not take the verses out of the context and try to make false arguments. Scientists have been using logic, assumptions, and trials to draw conclusions. But no scientist has ever defined the concept of FREE WILL, the power to make decisions without being controlled by God, because their scientific approaches did not work. Kelly told me there were people in the mental hospital chained for years and doctors gave them all type of drugs but nothing worked for them. Therefore, You can not make an argument to prove Islam is an evil religion and the Koran promotes hate and murder.

Whoever is interested in testing the Koran, I would send them the CD’s. The chapters on CD’s are as follows:
Chapter 2: The Cow
Chapter 36: Ya’ sin
Chapter 37: The Ranks
Chapter 44: Smoke
Chapter 72: The Jinn

To listen to the Koran:
You have to believe there exists GOD.
You have to repent.

set the cd player mode to "all repeat" so you can listen the Koran all night while you're sleeping.

email-address: mohamed.hopeful@gmail.com

Salaam
Mohamed

George, you're probably long gone at this hour, but I meant my comparison of cab drivers and pharmacists seriously. The school boards and pharmacists I mentioned have the aegis of the state law in their defense. In contrast, it seems that the situation with cabbies points out an economic opportunity for someone to open a secularist car service. So maybe it is you who are being disengeneous...
You're right, it doesn't matter what religion I am. It's obvious here that violence is a common human response and doesn't belong to any one religion or culture.

NS
It is impossible to debate Frank because his valid posts are buried in lengthy rants. I wouldn't guarantee he actually knows anything about Indian history, his facts are copied and pasted from an ant-Muslim web site.
There are those who have tried to engage him on other threads and he is apparently not looking for debate, only assent. The "insults" you see are responses to his refusal to have any real conversation.

Everyone keeps rehashing the Crusades, Hitler, the Armenian genocide, and even Hiroshima. My question is whether the people advocating peaceful Islam believe that in 50 years from now a Christian can openly worship in Iran? How about in 100 years? Or will a muslim be able to convert to Christianity in Afghanistan? I don't buy that Islam as a religion is any more fundamentally violent than others despite the protests, but I do question whether it is fundamentally more intolerant. That to me makes Islam's peaceful future path less clear.

Frank,
It's apparent that you have been doing a lot of research on radical Islam. i could'nt believe that you posted all those links!!

I am from India and i am surprised to see your knowledge of the violence of islamic invasion of India. The only Muslim King who was humane was Akbar - even he wanted to create a new faith Din - e - illahi which combined the best of many religious faiths.

I have'nt seen one convincing post that debated the basic points that you are trying to make even though there are a lot of personal insults.You are doing something right, then!!

Doug Franklin said "Reason does not enter into the Xian/Muslin/Islam sphere; only faith, the majestic unreason."

I can only speak with experience to the place of reason in Christianity. Your statement is a good summary of Televangelist Christianity, and not much more. The ideas taught by Jesus, Paul, and the other disciples know nothing of the distinction you've drawn.

The Christian concept of faith is utterly incoherent without reason. It is faith IN something that is enjoined, something held to the mind as a rational, explorable, defensible assertion. Christian faith is not the opposite of reason, but reason brought to its greatest fruition; applied to the heart, leveraged to excite the affections of the soul, the spring of all action.

If faith is just hanging in thin air (Christian theologians call this fideism), then faith IN JESUS is not even a coherent assertion. Without rational argumentation, Jesus cannot even be distinguished from Mohammed or Buddha or Oprah Winfrey. If you don't place your faith in Jesus, that's your right in this country. But your argument amounts to an assertion that Christians are not placing their faith IN JESUS either, and that is simply not true.

If you're willing to step outside your postmodern plausibility structures for a moment, consider how the pillars of your modern world were not simply tolerated by Christians, but given to you by a rational, world-embracing Christianity. Universities, the concept of the nation-state, the freedom of the individual, the dependability and predictability of natural causes (the very genesis of modern science), all these came directly from Christianity. I'm not asking you to say thank you, just to consider the irrationality of claiming that all this came from mere faith as you conceive it, devoid of and antithetical to reason.

And lest you also conclude that faith itself is a dirty word, ask any honest scientist and he or she will tell you that they require faith to operate their science, just as the Christian requires faith to maintain his world view. The assertion of actual causality ( as opposed to mere correlation), the existence of the external world, the continuity of self-identity through time, the veracity of memory, the reality of matter as an actual substrate rather than an abstract mapping of properties or qualities, all these are unprovable and taken by good scientists on faith. Kant and Hume knew these as "basic beliefs", things you have to assume to live coherently. Any intermediate-level philosophy student should be able to tell you this is so.

The world is not so simple as we often make it. Televangelist Christianity can be quite comforting, for the person who wants to write Christianity off as so much unsupported nonsense. Calvin argued against those Christians who would discount any truth in the mind of unbelievers by observing the great accomplishments and insights of many non-Christians, and asking "Were they all madmen?" You would do well to ask the same question with regard to the great minds that have embraced Christianity; sustaining and strengthening, not supplanting, their commitment to the idea that rational thought is the sine qua non of authentic human existence.

Frank collins is a muslim hater.
so many lies about muslim rulers from India.
seems he is on the RSS payroll.

"did you mention about the recent burnings,rape and slaughter of muslims by hindu rightwing RSS in gujrat,India"

get a life Frank aka hindu dude

To all those Muslims who want to engage Washington Post readers in a meaningful discussion...please stop. Look at the hostility and you will understand why it does not make any sense to engage these people. Speak to those that have open minds or write for publications that cater to better readers...Let them think that they have won...it is good for their egos...

Meziane Sufi:
Hi Franck
If I understand your mindset,Islam is violent in its essence,and I don't think that I'm streching your thoughts by saying that as you describe it it's the ultimate Evil. The supposedly abyssal silence of muslim people, regarding their own business and their relations to others, is so obvious as many say on this post, that I'm taking under the scrutiny of your scholar knowledge the freedom to say that they all are guilty, if you don't know of what, they probably know, and at least they belong in a way or another to this deadly cult!
Then what can you do?
I heard (on american media) some few ideas, like reform, democratize, occupy, prevail, win hearts and minds...But you know, is it realistic? Can a decent man trade with the pure Evil? Can you reform Evil? I assume that you agree that there is no possible deal with Evil.
By the way nazism is no longer the Ultimate Evil he fells at the second or the third rank, depending where you place the Evil Empire (USSR, ranked number one at the time by late R. Reagan). Or maybe Evil is so naughty that he takes different faces depending which is the last known civic adress of the couple Mr. Good and Ms Virtue. To mock these two I've been told that he is incredibly clever.
Mr. Good and Ms Virtue were located for a long time in Europe which at the time of its 'Grandeur' went to beat the Beast in the rest of the world, to clean it. But it seems that Evil had a secondary dwelling from the very beginning of Islam and he makes it today its principal residence.
And today this task bears upon you, it's hard I know, but you'll prevail it's sure. Why?
Because technology, sciences, money are a perfect emanation of yours and because wisdom, reason, courage, justice, democracy, morals, brillance, humanity, judgement, awarness, consciouness, virtue and good deeds are the major part of your essence (and I'm not suggesting that may be the other part belongs or have to do with Evil, you know as a matter of fact that he lies there, some say...in small details like: is someone or a group allways perfectly right?).
Evil travels, Good travels too, and from Europe he now moved to your place. Good and Virtue brought to you the rent of success but also the duty to fight fiercely against Evil, nothing is for free in this earthly life. And guess which face, tinsel, finery Evil takes today?
You are right... not one but the face of 1.2 billion small devils.
He improved his technics of ubiquity, probably mimicing God Himself.
And you are facing this terrible duty. And it looks like that its him (multi-faced Evil)who triggered it. Your are gonna prevail on him, because of all your aknoweledged qualities and because I've been told that you can count on one and irresistible ally God Himself.
It's difficult to qualify this 1.2 billion -- of liars, hypocrits, losers, middle-aged mindsets,killers, vocifering, brawling, clamorous,ignorant and some of them poor ( as portrayed by some highly skilled analysers in this post and in some very highly civilized places)-- really humans, this is why I think, after reading your enlightened analysis I think that you will agree that's fair enough to portray them as devils.
And calling them devils, guess who are the angels in this necesseraly binary world? Come on don't be so shy...even if it's an angelical caracteristic...
But what to do to win pratically this titanesc struggle under the banner of Good and Virtue and the Alliance of God Himself?
I heard some saying that since Evil is embeded in so many bodies that the best thing to do is to reply by a same level of tactics using WMDD (Weapons of Mass Devils Destruction). And some argue that the best thing to do that is a stick of nukes on the crescent string of countries strating on the map from Indonesia to Morroco (But you have to move the Isrealis before doing. that, not to take from them the country, no, just the radiations are not good for health and life span, when they wil be back they will have a bigger country).
The bottom line: no Evil on Earth.
But my inner devil tells me that the rest of the world (you know the other 1.5 billion in China which is watching you and supplying your commercial malls and a bunch of oil-craving others) will give you the Gold medal of the Satanic Games, and probably will name you Evil.
In fact you see its difficult to get rid of Evil...and when you think that you have done so strangely his face starts looking like yours, at least it's what some very old tales told us.
Your academic reports, comments and strong argumentation seem to indicate that if we meet anywhere (in a hospital if I'm a doctor, in a classroom if I,m a professor, or in a taxi if I'm a driver...) you will probably at the first glance understand that there is some thing structuraly devilish in me, because I'm a canadian muslim...just remember at that moment that you are just seeing a mote in my eye forgetting the beam in yours (sounds like a parabole..)

Jesus, Mohammed, Isaiah and Joe Smith would be considered fortune tellers if they lived today so get your minds out of the Dark ages and into modern reality.

And proof that Islam is a violent religion? If I called Mohammed a fortune teller in any Islamic country or a country with a large Muslim population, I would be jailed, stoned and/or assassinated. The same does not hold true if I labeled Jesus, Isaiah, or Joe Smith a fortune teller in any country of the world.

Another thing that i don t understand is everybody expect a muslim to be perfect a muslim is a human being he can makes mistakes why we don t expect the same thing from christians or jews?like this one talking about her syrian husband!he can be a muslim or from another religion but to be a devouted muslim you should nt lie,.steel,insult,intimidate,talk about people on a bad terms...there is a lot of principles that you should fallow and you keep trying to be a good person islam is a way of life also,motivation work help the poors love your parents your family your neighbours..its a bout science (the closest people to god are scientists) the prophet mohammed peace be upon him said seek science even in china!
for women also everybody keeps saying lies about islam.Islam gave a woman her FREEDOM,prophet mohammed s (peace be upon him)wife khadija was a business woman!
the woman even if she is married can keep her money her husband needs to provide for her and does not have a right to her money unless she wanted..to.she has a right to assign a manager for her money....
she has the right to study ,work,marry who she wants...
islam is positif way of life and everybody is free to choose his religion.
so all of those who are saying negative things should do a research and they will understand why there is more and more converted to islam...because they find the real peace in it,,,and no it s not fabricated its a belief by heart and soul and the only ones who enjoyed that are the devouted muslims

Folks who justify violence based on some often misinformed perception of some events which took place almost 900 years ago need to have a serious head realignment and need to get with the collective program. That includes Moslems who point to the Crusades (ignoring the destruction of the Church of the Holy Seplechure and enslavement of pilgrims - which even the Moslems tried to make amends and head off the impending holocaust - but too late) or the Christian Serbs who justified killing their Moslem neighbors by pointing to some battle in 1368 or whatever no one gives a collective hoot about. They need to confront the present and real and hold killers responsible for their own actions and stop making excuses for them or themselves. Grow up. Be big folks. Get along with your neighbors. Play nice. No killing. No killing. There, isn't that simple? Something even kindergartners could understand.

Get the point?

To say that Islam is a religion of peace and that there are only a few radical Muslims committing violence in the name of Islam, is so utterly at odds with the empirical evidence all around us that it makes me truly wonder if there is even a basis for rational dialog. Either the purveyor such a statement is not in touch with reality or he is using words as a weapon with little thought to any factual basis for the words. Neither possibility is conducive to a meaningful dialog.

And yet hope springs eternal. So here I go. I propose the following theses, and challenge any to debate them on their merits, using rational argumentation, not ad hominam attacks or unsupported claims that some other group is just as bad as Muslims.

1. Radical Islam has the world at bay. The greatest military powers on the planet are, at best, fighting to a draw, and one can readiy argue that the radical Islamists are actually gaining ground. This is happening despite the fact that the Muslim countries, especially those most associated with the radical Islamist agenda, are economically and militarily week. To argue in the face of this that it is only a few who actively support this agenda is nonsensical at best, an execrable lie on less charitable principles.

2. Islam does not mean "peace", at least not directly. Arab-speaking Muslims have often translated it as "submission." Submission is a form of peace, but the distinction between the words is not a minor one. It is intellectually dishonest to overlook the fact that Islam seeks peace in terms of submission. This argument does not rest on the etymology, which is offered for illustrative purposes. The necessity of submission to live at peace with Islam is greatly supported by historical fact.

3. Political power is inseparable from spiritual principle in Islam. It is not a religion of inner transformation but of outward conformance. Obedience to the code is the whole point, not a thankful response to salvation by grace or evidence of a divinely-imbued life principle, as in Christianity for example. Jesus said "My Kingdom is not of this world," and shame on every Christian who has failed to heed that. Such a pronouncement would have no place in Islam, where the whole point is to bring every nation into outward conformance with the pronouncements of Islam's prophet. [Observation: Christians may rightly be accused of telling unbelievers in so many words that they're going to Hell; but the radical Islamists not only say so, but help the "infidels" on their way. Ask yourself honestly if you'd rather be trapped in a dark alley with a radical Christian or a radical Islamist.]

4. It is illegal and/or deadly to convert from Islam to any other persuasion in most if not all Muslim countries. Not only does this support the interpretation of Islam as "submission" in a very negative sense; it also argues for a lack of confidence in the historical, intellectual, and humanistic basis for asserting the teachings of Islam as binding. This is asserted not for the purpose of attacking the beliefs of Islam. Rather is people are dying all over the world for not submitting, it is extremely germane to ask how confident we can be that what they're dying for not supporting is in fact the truth.

5. Islamic radicals and their passive and active supporters have deliberately and masterfully pursued a policy of blurring the lines between combatants and non-combatants. Forces fighting in areas where Islamic radicals are the hostiles are made to be constantly and keenly aware that at any time they take an ambulance for an ambulance, a peaceable cabbie for a peaceable cabbie, a truck loaded with flour for a truck loaded with flour, it could be the occasion for their death. There's no denying the effectiveness of this approach, which perhaps can argue in the Islamist's favor (on a charitable premise) that he is not simply bloodthirsty, but backed into a corner. But it certainly gives the lie to the oft-stated argument that Muslims are just defending themselves, because the wicked Westerners are so unprincipled that in their thirst for oil they go around attacking ambulances, killing peaceable cabbies, and blowing up flour trucks.

6. Islam defines its enemies and oppressors as any who do not accept its tenets. To say this is not conducive to peace is an understatement of monumental proportions. It is a recipe for world-wide conflagration, which we have today at low intensity, but with an alarming breadth, and with the ever-increasing risk of an unthinkable catastrophe when the radicals come up with a single play that finally approaches the scope of their insatiable vision.

Reason is almost always answered with a bullet; this is the fight that must be fought, not the one of one religion against another.

As long as people will divide themselves, war will be fought.

Love will not separate us... religion does... faith does.

Reason does not enter into the Xian/Muslin/Islam sphere; only faith, the majestic unreason.

If I could pray, it would be to the universe: let them know reason... humility will result... and they can then work together as equals.

it looks that the writer is waisting his time writing this article ,people are asking why god said that after mohammed peace be upon him no religion will be accepted...well that s what god said and muslims believe in god and the prophete mohammed peace be upom him and other prophets moses jesus...instead of fighting muslims go and fight god he is the creator and nobody impose a religion upon you you believe what you believe muslims will not deny the quran and the sunna for the will of christians and jews that will never happen we can guarantee you that!what s funny is some try to annalyse a religion that s rich and simple and try to be the boss!thatg s very funny nobody in the world will makes us understand our religion

Dear Mr. Faumy: If you had said these things to me three years ago before I met my Syrian born muslim husband, I would have wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt.

But Here's what I know now. My husband believes as most muslim men, that women are interchangeable. If you don't like one wife, you drop her for another. Hence, the marriage of multiple wives. Except here in the West, you need a divorce. Since he couldn't just say "I divorce you" three times, he just left me and our children. I was pregnant when he left, and this man said some horrible, horrible, things to me -- he urged me to have an abortion. Said that he couldn't have anymore children with me, because his children had to be muslims. Told me that women like me make a business out of having men's babies. Said that I should just get rid of it, etc.

He lies to me without blinking. Of course, Islam permits lying -- especially to the unbelievers. My husband lies constantly, yet talks constantly about his "honor and integrity." Wow!! It blows me away.

How can a religion that permits lying and killing be peaceful? Where is the justice in the treatment of women? A woman's testimony is worth half of a man's. A woman get's 1/4 of the inheritance that her brother gets...or is it 1/8. If she is married, the majority of the inheritance from her husband goes to his family and their children. And I won't even go into the fact that the quran orders death to christian and jewish converts. This is not just a dated scripture (like the bibles "eye for an eye.") This practice is carried out throughout Africa and the Middle East.

I don't see Islam as a religion, I see it as a cult, and a very combative, conflict oriented one at best. I only hope that other unsuspecting Western Christian women will use their head first instead of their heart. My life has been devastated by this muslim man who is so full of "honor and integrity."

It appears to be the habit of those who do not like what is being said about Islam to try to shut down the debate, as the above poster Antoine so clearly has shown. Pointing out the atrocities commited in the name of Islam is not spreading hate and bigotry. It is spreading truth.

Surely, I needn’t add to the list of crimes committed by proponents of Islam. And all of you have acknowledged the misdeeds of Christianity, though none have chosen to post them in quite as much detail. These include crimes committed in the name of Christ as well as by nations that are primarily Christian. To those of you who are Hindus condemning the ‘Muslim bastards’, I would remind you of the massacre of Muslims by Hindus and Sikhs in Jammu in 1947, though this is only one example of such atrocities. And to all of you atheists, Hitler numbered in your ranks.

My point is that violence in the name of ideology, or hidden behind the mask of ideology, is not a phenomenon unique to Islam, nor to Christianity, nor to Hindusim, nor, indeed, to religion. People will always find a way to kill what they fear—to blot out, to disfigure, that which they cannot assimilate or understand, or that which the petty psychology of experience dresses as an enemy. The anonymity of religion, the pliability of religious philosophy, and its absolutism, makes it a tool. But it is not the only tool of hatred. The ideas of racial purity that took shape in Germany after World War I had nothing to do with religion, but still were sufficient to convince millions of Germans that the only way to save their country was to rid it of its weaknesses: the Jews, the Gypsies—those not of the ‘Aryan’ race. The ideology of German racial purity even had its radical converts, such as Houston Stewart Chamberlain.

It is the inability to sympathize and unwillingness to understand ‘the other’, often coupled with opposing needs or ambitions, that results in these catastrophic, violent historical clashes. One finds them so easy to characterize and to condemn because these battles take place along ideological fault lines and, whether or not we acknowledge it, most of us still believe in their existence as more than psychological phantoms and narcissistic emotional crutches. But, tell me, was the terrible destruction of life at the Somme, or at Vimy Ridge, or Passchendale, or Ypres, any less evil or senseless because these battles were fought in the name of obscure alliances instead of religious fervor? Were they somehow endowed with more morality? Or is it only that these deaths excite in us less anger, because we cannot easily find in them a side to take: the oppressed against the oppressor, the righteous against the infidel?

It is to easy to condemn. It is to easy to subscribe to out own prejudices and live sheltered by ignorance. It is easy to hate. The solution to useless violence will not be found in changing one religion or the other. And it cannot be found in changing human nature, because that cannot be done. People like Gandhi and Mother Teresa saw beauty, truth, and kinship in others regardless of creed or class. And the beginnings of a solution to our problems can only be found in each of us, individually, striving to do the same.

To Jon Meacham

You profess to be a man of faith based on your early education and inclinations. But this On Faith section spreads hate and bigotry. This is not a forum for any serious discussion.

On violence, here's a thought (I believe Ayn Rand was responsible for this one):

ALL THE VIOLENCE IN THE WORLD IS CAUSED BY ONE THING: THE IDEA THAT IT'S OK TO TAKE WHAT YOU WANT BY FORCE.

It isn't. It isn't OK to liberate an apple from a fruit stand, and it isn't OK to murder thousands to prove a point. It isn't OK to take anything by force, ever. Stop kidding yourself, stop rationalizing, stop justifying.

It isn't right.

The Islamic faith is judged by the deeds of its followers, not by the words of the Quran.

The one billion Muslims who adhere to the peaceful teachings of Islam seem to have faded away and they have allowed "a few" radicals to define their religion for them before the eyes of their fellow man and before the eyes of God.

Frankly, all of the Abrahamic religions are not very enlightened or useful. They all claim some particular exclusivity which is an absurd limitation of any God worth mentioning. The Jews of course are the oldest, and have managed to maintain their collective exclusion for century after century, being the chosen peoples of God. I have yet to speak with someone who cam explain what makes a Jew so special, what are the definitive attributes of the Jew that identifies him or her from the non Jew in the eyes of God?

Christians have a morbid view of God as someone who would accept the brutal sacifice of his Son by humanity to attone for the terible sin of being born human. How anyone could possible accept this as an acceptable vision of God is beyond my understanding. Then they heap a whole bunch of "pagan" rituals, an insane view of the God given attributes of Man, and make a virtue of denying the humaness of Man to create a mind-deadening religion. This religion seeks to control by fear and promises that can never be defined, much less given.

Finally we come to Islam. How this religion has degenerated into the current repressions of the human spirit is sad. What happening to the great traditions that carried the human spirit when Christians attempted to destroy every human though and idea?

The Spirtually flavors of the Sufis, Kabalists, and maybe the Jesuits have a much more useful and enlightened understanding of what spiritual belief is all about. I believe we would all be much improved if we rejected all religions as false Gods, false paths, and enslavers of Man.

Dear All:

I have been following the bolg with interest and have noticed that there are people in this blog who has so much hatred in their heart that they turn totally blind. Islam is a great religion and it is only for the people who read it with an open mind. Few points that I want to add it is the only religion which recognizes and respects all the prophets starting from Noah, John, Joseph, Moses, Jesus and Mohammed. Even though you will find in western world some fool/ignorant try to play jokes, draw cartoons etc., of Prophet Muhammed (PBUH). You won't find that happening in the Muslim world. Some of you have drawn a list of atrocities commited by the followers of Islam but if read the history carefully when Islam conquered other places it was always tolerant to the people of other beliefs that is why you will see Jews are still in Iran and Christens and Hindus and jews are still living in countries like Egypt, Syria, Labanon etc. Quran teaches that "la iqra ha fiddin" menaing there is no compulsion in religion. Allah guides those whom he wills and those who are misguided there is no one to guide them. We haven't seen the other way around when Spain was reconquered people of all the faith were forced to accept christanity or were forced to leave spain. There was no religious freedom and no freedom of speech during that time. There are so many positive sides of Islam that people often don't see or it is burried in the Chaos of the ignorant fools. Any way my request to you all is please read before you come to discuss the issues like comparative religion. If you have read the Quran please read it with an open mind and also read the background of the revealation. Lot of things will become clear. Please donot impose your twisted beliefs and ideas on others.

I can't imagine this much racist rubbish published in the Washington Post. I thought this was a respectable newspaper, but obviously it is not! How is possible to make such horrible generalizations about 1.5 billion people? Madness prevails in America-lunatics have taken over. By the Washington Post, is no one at home to filter this rubbish. Meacham and Quinn must get their jollies reading it.

Hey Frank, do I need to remind you about the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition and the medieval witch trials and Christians expelling entire Jewish populations or blowing each other up in Northern Ireland? No religion is unstained; as many people have died in the name of Christ as in the name of Mohammad.

And, for the record, both of them are prophets and shouldn't have their names desecrated the way they are.

It is quite easy to measure where we are with the Islamists. They are fighting a war in the media, one which produces few casualties among their proported enemy, the West, but many among their owm people. The West has this choice to make: get involved and try to keep these suicidal people from killing themselves and their close neighbors or stand back and let them continue. Politics is about to force on the world the second option. We must also keep their wars confined to their borders, keep the terrorism confined to Moslem to Moslem violence, as we did during the Iran Iraq war. We must also insure that they do not acquire weapons of mass destruction. This can be accomplished from the air, possibly with the occasional Special Ops strike. Bush tried to do the right thing, to give the region a chance to enjoy democracy and peace. We now face failure in that attempt. We are now justified in taking the opposite position. So long as Moslems only kill other Moslems, we should leave them to it.

Dear Paul:

Crusades ended 700 years ago, but killing and exploitation of the poor and disadvantaged in the hands of Christian/Jewish powers have not.

(please see: Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, Lebanon, Southeast Asia, Africa, Latin America, Native America....etc)

Nobody is pure, nobody is without guilt and shame. unfortunately, The more brutal the bully, the more it needs to protect itself.

(please see USA, Israel)

to Hussein

Thank you, I could not have said it better:

"Hussein:

I have a simpler solution. Make the West stop being self-indulgent in its consumerist ethos. This will be of multiple benefits to the world:

return to truer christian values = less conspicuous consumption = less emphasis on economic growth = less need for market expansion = less need for coersive tactics in enforcing competitive advantage over third world economies = less turmoil in third world = less oil consumption = less war in the ME = less terrorism."

The last thing the world needs is a religion like Islam.

To compare today's radical Muslims with the Crusades of Christianity is preposterous for the simple reason that the Crusades ended SEVEN HUNDRED YEARS ago. Christians still believe in many things which I do not believe in, but it has been centuries since Christians of any sect killed disbelievers. Christianity has grown with the modern world, while Islam is still stuck in the stone ages.

The terrorists may, in some sense, represent a "small" percentage of Islam but even Islamic countries that supposedly oppose terrorism are secular dictatorships in which people are not able to think and speak freely. People cannot freely practice their religion. Gay people face execution. Women are forced to wear veils and are denied basic human rights.

I believe that there are many decent Muslims -- but they cannot cry about how their religion is "unfairly" viewed when they sit quietly as bloodshed is waged in the name of Mohammed. And it's not just the terrorists. A cartoon in a newspaper can make these supposedly "average" Muslims engage in deadly riots? I dont see Catholics rioting when the Pope is mocked (as he is on a daily if not hourly basis). Where are the Muslims demanding that Islam be brought into the 21st century? Heck, I'd settle for Islam being brought into the 19th century at this point. By the 19th century, other religions had abandoned the kind of behavior that remains commonplace in Islam.

So stop whining about what non-Muslims think about Islam and start talking to fellow Muslims about why it's okay to execute gay people, deny fundamental rights to women and go on a rampage whenever someone offends your delicate feelings. When a Christian can move to a predominantly Muslim country and practice his/her religion (as a Muslim can do anywhere in the West) then Muslims can complain. Until then, get your house in order. And stop minimizing the carnage carried out in the name of your faith.

Glen, that is exactly what I meant when I said what I said. So you think Iran or its government represent Islam?..There is no concept of "Religious Police" in Islam. If Iran does it, so be it...no one has to like or approve it but it has nothing to do with the religion...You should understand that much... And Frank Collins...he is really an ambassador of his faith...I now know where he is coming from...his eyes are shut..we need to leave them that way. Franky, put together a list of how Palestinians are being butchered every day by your motherland and compare it with the list you put together here...this is the going rate...Israel kills two Palestinians and arrests ten every day...there are 365 days in a year and it has been going on now for decades...make a list of your own evil deeds and then you earn the right to make one for others.

To Frank Collins:

I hope that your life is not wasted by your racism and bigotry. Humans are precious regrdless of their ethnicity or religion.

Your campaign of lies and deception is not new. You seem to be regurgitating the propaganda out of Israel/US right wing.

To Frank, Pete, Jeremy and Other Ignorants:

- Christian nations - not Muslims - killed 6 million Jews in Europe during WWII (not so speak of previous medieval atrocities against Jews in Europe. In Andalusia, North Africa, and the Ottoman Empire Jewish community were thriving. You ignorants, read numerous books on the topic including Miachel Walzer's The Jewish Political Tradition.

- Christian nations and people killed each other during WWI: More than 22 million Christian died at the hand of Christians, not Muslims.

- Christian nations and people killed each other during WWII: More than 75 million Christian died at the hand of Christians, not Muslims.

If we take into consideration time, space, number of people involved, and technolgy, an individual Christian is 15,000 times more likely to kill than an individual Muslim.

Salut!

Karen Armstrong has an excellent book on Islam called "Islam". She also describes the religious description of God in "History of God"

They both describe the historical events and the meaning/context of the prophets teachings.

Of course, now we live in the post cold war era when the defense industry (merchants of death) needs another great enemy to push their products. Peak oil also means that muslims are a good enemy since they sit on most of the worlds oil reserves.

i have read the story and links more than once and i still dont know what islamic we are to judge islam by. does anyone know? we cant judge islam by the koran, it says to hate, torture, murder and force conversion, but we are not allowed to use that. when we bring it up we are told it is taken out of context, but they never give us the context to make hate, torture, and mnurder and forced conversions, acceptable becasue of some unstated context.
we cant use moho becasue he liked to have sex with 9 year olds, and he personally murdered and butchered more than we can count - and also forced conversions.
we cant use the actual acts of islam and the islamics in their constant war with anyone not islamic up to the time of the crusades, because that would not represent islam.
wer are not allowed to use the thousands of religious murders committed by islamics since 911, but we are not supposed to judge islam by them either. we are not supposed to judge islam by the taliban. we are not supposed to judge islam by those that killed the artist who made a movie islamics did not like, we are not to use them.
we are not to use those millions that burn israeli flags and american flags and strap bombs to their chilodren to murder jewish and christian children, they are not representative.
we are not allowed to use islamics that demand the destructions of entire countries, they dont count.
we are not allowed to use those that participated in 911.
we are not allowed to use those who blow up busses full of jewish children.
so my question is, exactly who the hell do we use?

Amjad Wyne, I am not talking faith. I am talking about freedom of religion and freedom of speech. Please tell me about freedom of speech and religion in Iran. Tell me why over 300 women were arrested today for violating the dress-code. Those women were aressted by the religious police. Please tell me about freedom in the most Muslim of nations in the world: Iran.

Lori, right on. What is a moderate Muslim anyway? It is a Muslim who says nothing and does nothing but blames a Christian when the radical Muslim slit another Christian throat.

To Glen...trust me...your head is way deeper than mine...sand or whatever you like...If you believe that US is the only place where people have religious freedom, your head is not just deeper...it needs examination...and I hope you can get tha examination. And if you believe you have a better faith then show us and stop your rant...would you.

Secular, it all means nothing unless you have separation of church and state and freedom of religion. That would allow support of your secular cause. Without freedom of religion or separatiion of church and state you have Imams telling people what to do. Don't you just love the Imam dress-code for women? Egypt has the Muslim Brotherhood and their Imams discriminating against anything that is not Islam, big time. The religious leaders are in charge in the Islamic nations and that is not religion but it is ideology.

I think Muslims made their outlook clear for all with eyes to see when around the world as they danced in the streets after the 9/11 attack.

Until I read about the execution of those who carry out beheadings of non-muslims all aroudn the world (Pakistan, Iraq, Thailand, Nigeria, Phillipines, etc etc etc), calling Islam a religion of peace is a sham.

Until churches and synagogues can be built, and be used, in Muslim countries as mosques are built all over the West, the words of "moderates" like Mr. Fahmy ring hollow.

Until the "moderate 99%" eliminate the so called radicals from their midst, instead of aiding and abetting them with money and shelter, I have no choice but to regard all Muslims as radicals.

Until someone can renounce Islam without having a death warrant issued for them, I cannot accept that Islam is a rational system of belief.

Based on what seems to be going on in the world, the only conclusion any sane person can draw is the Islam is a barbaric destructive system of belief that shares more with cults than with what most think of as a religion today.

Right now I'm looking at the home page of the Washington Post web site, which has a teaser up for this post:

Don't Judge Islam's Few
Nabil Fahmy | The crimes of crusaders should not be attributed to the entire religion.

It really makes me wonder: Do the idiots who edit this newspaper understand that the crusaders were CHRISTIANS?

listen SECULARIST dont sugar coat it, tell us what you really think.

People like Jack bug me. I've seen a bunch of posters today say that "There's too many ranting nutballs posting without any facts. Thw world is going to hell in a handbasket."

Enlighten us. How are those of us blasting Islam factually incorrect? Are you saying the religion of peace has nothing to do with the list of atrocities commited by Muslims? Are you saying they did not occur?

Maybe you have nothing to say.

As SECULARIST, and proud of it, I find all religion superstitious and offensive. All religions assert, with no shred of evidence that theirs is the true one. In my view all religions were born of a need to form a cohesive one of their peoples. That being said most of them have over a period of time have come to terms with the world. In that the adherents at large feel for world to function peacefully, they need to tolerate others. In most of the world, terms of the countries, the civil law has been secularized. Any draconian or religiously motivated laws still on the books are hardly enforced. On the contrary the 47 Muslim countries the civil law specifically based on Sharia if not out right Sharia. I also believe an overwhelming majority of muslims are not unlike others in the world, who want their families to have a better life than the previous generation. However, there are a few undercurrents that reign the Muslim psyche, one is the prevalence of Sharia in their countries, the Koran, an irrational obsession to the past glory of Islam, unexceptionally autocratic regimes in everyone of the Muslim countries (including Turkey). Now let me address each of the above undercurrents below:

Sharia Law:
This condemns at the outset that anything un-islamic is by definition illegal hence wrong. That plants the seed in the mind that un-islamic is not the pious thing. Simple example being in the west free inter-mingling of sexes is taken for granted, however it is considered illegal in islamic countries - this leads the semi-literate Mullahs to assert that Western cultural norms are an offense to Islam. See the ridiculousness of the assertion - the worlds 5 billion have to change their ways because a billion are offended.

Koran:
Unlike other scripture, Koran is asserted to be spoken word of god. Think about it, this is a book given to Mo, by Gabriel who was conveyed the word of god, presumably by god himself. How can that be spoken word of god, when it had 2 transformations - so 2 possible opportunities for corruption. There is this rule of abrogation in Koran, that if god had revealed two verse on the same topic the latter abrogates the earlier, as the latter is more correct and beautiful. This begs the question "how is it the PERFECT ONE need multiple iterations to get his views right on topic. (Enough of critiques on the coherence of a scripture) the problem with Koran is that most of the conciliatory passages in Koran were in the earlier verses, the latter verse on the subjects are very intolerant and vile. By the rule of abrogation, the intolerant and violent ones stand and the earlier ones are nnon-operative. So you see unlike other scripture the god through Koran exhorts violence. The extremists are right when they say they are following god's exhortations. This wont stop until someone with balls says that Koran is a fallible book.

Past Glory of Islam:
This is fed by all the governments as though it is teh achievement of all muslims and a birth right to reclaim that. Rather than use it as an instrument to motivate the children to learn new technologies to regain the glory, it is used to pollute their brains with shame and anger against the west on the more developed nations. The muslims need to learn that this is not 14th century. Thye should see that they were nobody till 8th or 9th century, they were somebody until 14th. Only way to be somebody is to learn the science and technology. They need to get their brains out of the victim hood. It does not matter what has happened. Today you have to perform cannot claim past successes as something that bestows you glory today.

Autocratic Regimes:
Enough cannot be said about these despots. Thes SOBs drive the public square into the mosques. Where the semi-literate bigots called mullahs find fertile ground in the young muslim minds to pollute - that is how we get the Islamic regime in Iran, and Post Saddam Iraq - don't blame the bumbling idiot called Bush for Islamization of Iraq.

The long and short of this lengthy post is there is a lot for the muslims to be introspective. Dont blame the rest of the world for your travails, you cleanup your S#@t, before you gripe about exploitation. Once you do that you will have forgotten everything that you wanted to gripe about. With that positive note CHEERS. To al the liberals of the world stop showing too much understanding to the oppressions/exploitations of the past. S%&t happened in the past to everyone sometime or the English and French were F%$&ed earlier by Romans, so and so forth. These countries woldnt be wheer they are if all they did was crying for last 2000 years that they were Sc$#@ed by Romans. To Neo-Cons and old time Cons you are not always right. Conservative is a pejorative word dont take pride in it. It means you refuse to change in face changing time and fresh evidence. Stop sticking your stupid heads in the sand.

I don't believe in a God. It can be very depressing. Think about this for a moment. All 3 monotheistic (Abrahamic) religions find someone like me to be a threat above all. The non-believer is always thrust to the forefront of sinners.

So, I can kill myself, convert, lie, become a kick ass tattoo artist, rebel and face hell or I can just kill and kill again like every other bastard. See, I can learn God's way without ever becoming born again.

Okay, some days I really do want to hurt people with religious stickers on their vehicles. I do need help, help me to not be an atheist. Help me to fight for a God to the hilt. Is there somewhere I can go and see what religion fits my complexion?

The lack of actual knowledge, let alone understanding, on the part of the vast majority of posters to this site is truly astounding. One should never dilute a good, rabid, opinionated, rant with actual facts.

In the name of Islam about 1.5 million Armenians were murdered between 1915 and 1923 by the Turkish Islamists because they were acting "to protect" their last caliphate -- the crumbling to pieces and rotten Ottoman Empire. Among the victims were my grandparents' familities. They were slaughtered refusing to convert to Islam.

We, Armenians and our friends worldwide, among which I do not see any neoconservatives, commemorate their memory today. Would Nabil Fahmy join us and condemn the first genocide of the 20th century? Or human sacrifices in the name of Islam and the preservation of the Caliphate are justified?

Amjad Wyne, the reason no one is requiring Frank Collins or you or anyone else to practice Islam is because you are probably in America or some some other country that honors "freedom of religion." In an Islamic Nation you are required to practice Islam or face death. Get your head out of the sand Amjad Wyne. If Islamic ideology controls, then their is no freedom of religion.

To Amjad and others:

I have been reading this forum off and on all afternoon. I have yet to see a serious discussion of the atrocities Frank has posted that occur in Islam's name. "Foreign" occupation to many Muslims is equivalent to "non-Muslim" rule.

The typical response to Frank's postings by many people here is to wave it away with a magic wand by claiming that "Christians/Amerika/The West is just as bad but I don't have the time to compile a list of recent atrocities done by Christians in the name of Christianity/America/The West."

Even if you can put together such a list, Amjad, that list does not negate or take away the Islamic background for the atrocities committed in Allah's name.

How do you deal with the attacks by Sunni against Shia-non combatants in iraq? Do you believe the Sunni who drives a truck bomb into a market is doing so because he believes everyone buying fish or bread are actually working with the hated Americans?

No, Amjad, they do not do so. They blow up the Shia for one simple reason: They believe them to be infidels.

That is how your religion treats the unbeliever. After all, they are only doing what it clearly states in the Koran to do, which is to destroy the infidel.

You may point your finger at the west, at America or Christianity all you want and you will find much for which we must answer. Must this does not take away from the eveil perpetrated by Muslims at the present time.

Note the difference: It is one thing to say that these are evil men doing bad things in the name of islam, and another to say they are Muslim. But a very very large proportion of Muslims today believe suicide bombings are an acceptable form of combat. Therefore, one may reasonably believe the problem lies not with insane men misinterpreting the Koran...the problem lies with ISLAM.

again you change the subject and refuse to answer about islam. my religion is of no moment. i do not belong to a religion that says to hate anyone not my religion and i definitely dont belong to any religion that says torture and murder those who will not join my religion.
and your constantly changing the subject from islam to another one smell like victory to me. you have been defeated. you do not deny your islamic terrorist past, you do not deny your current murders. you cannot deny that you feel you have the right to force islam on another becasue millions of islamics marched all over the world to proclaim it was a right given to islamics in the koran and that to deny them the right to murder for islam and to make others islamic was an attack on islam.
you do not deny you horrible acts in india, historic and current.
so where are the millions and millions of the islamics who are marching to give jews and christians the right to practice their religion in islamic countries?
where are the millions of islamics marching to protest the alleged misuse of islam by a few? where are the islamics saying that they reject those passages in the koran that demand hate for others not islamic, for kidnapping, ransom, torture and forced induction into islam? where are they?
is the best you can do is try to personally attack me. that is weak people, very weak.
show me where i have been false in anything i have said. show me any other religion - other than islam - that requires it be spread with violence is peace cannot do it.
if you are not out in the streets telling the so called radical islamics that they are wrong, then you agree with them and you are as bad as they are.

and again, i do not say anything about the religious part of islam. pray where and to whom you want. think your the only path to heaven. pretend you are the chosen people through ishmael, even though there is not a bit of proof to show it is true. believe how you want, i dont care.
but when your belief turns into life actions that effect others via violence and murder, then we have a problem. and if you say that you cannot separate your faith with wordly conduct that results in hurting other, then you have a big problem.

To Frank Collins, why don't you tell us about your faith with a proof so we are not unnecessarily discussing someone else's religion and I take the responsibility of providing you a list that is at least twice as long as you have been able to come up with for a population that stands at about 1.5 Billion...The fact that you have included in your list a large number of acts that were committed under foreign occupations tells a lot about your desparation...good try.

To others in the same category, mind your own faith...no one is asking you to become Muslims so whay are you so upset. This is not something you have to practice.

To Frank Collins, why don't you tell us about your faith with a proof so we are not unnecessarily discussing someone else's religion and I take the responsibility of providing you a list that is at least twice as long as you have been able to come up with for a population that stands at about 1.5 Billion...The fact that you have included in your list a large number of acts that were committed under foreign occupations tells a lot about your desparation...good try.

To others in the same category, mind your own faith...no one is asking you to become Muslims so whay are you so upset. This is not something you have to practice.

Frank
you are a sociopath

get help immediately.

how can you post 1,000 line postings?

I hope you don't own a gun

instead of saying poor me, im islamic and people dont like me so ignore them, try answering the numerous questions that have been posed. reject those portions of the koran that demand hate and forced membership in islam.

The overwhelming number of posts against islam in a radicalized fashion should be taken simply for what it is: radical and full of hate. Posts like this can hardly be said to be representative of what most Americans think as there is a huge selection bias in terms of who is motivated to write. I see no exception here.

For the record, Mr. Collins is no doubt a gentile and has absolutely nothing to say in terms of criticizing other religions for persecuting people and raging GENOCIDE across the globe. He should have ZERO to say on this matter and only succeeds in making himself look intolerant, unwordly, uncultured, and poorly educated.

" Peligius:

Dang it. Hussein thinks I owe him reparations. First I owe reparations to blacks, and now I owe them to Muslims. Is there anyone else I need to pay off so that the violence can stop?"

You need to pay off (and you will) Stephen Schwarzmann of The Blackstone Group (he's worth $20 billion) and he wants to buy Chrysler from Daimler-Benz but first those UAW guys gotta forgo health and pension benefits.

IOW, Peligius, you owe Stevie $$$ so he can plant his rock garden in the Hamptons (last year's cost on annuals $563,327.65).

Reparations are from you and me. Once we get past this, we can focus on the Somali cabbies.

I just racked up 181 pages of lists of Muslim atrocities from reading this list. I'd like to make a few points:

People who practice Christianity and also practice violence against others do so contrary to the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth.Even Hitler considered himself a Christian as he slaughtered the Jews during the Second World War. Irish Catholics and Irish Protestants killed each other, not so much over religious differences but political ones based on power relations.

The bishops and popes of the middle ages were violent because hey were the law of the land and saw themselves as both "sacred" and "profane" rulers. This doesn't excuse the violence because the excuse was to use their power over people to grab land and riches while promsing heaven for the meek. Since the existence of heaven is sheer speculation, only fools fall for the trade. In an earlier life PT Barnum was probably selling indulgences to Martin Luther before he got smart and told the pope to kiss off.

However, I do not believe people who tell me that there is a culture of Islamic states that is peaceful. That is wishful thinking. The Islamic religion and the cultural excesses that go with it - honor killings and midieval magical thinking - are the very essence of Islam.

I cannot see where any Islamic country has given the world anything of benefit since the 11th century when it seems there was a flowering of science, the arts, and humanities. Since then, despite the successes of the Ottoman Empire, etc. all I hear is fatalistic whining about how bad they have it and seem forced out of desperation to kill each other over matters nobody has a clue about, such as the existence of heaven, hell, or angels - none of which we see. There have been o life saving inventions, major humane causes, advances in medicine, etc. All that has been surrendered to the rational and scientific thinking of the West. That is notthe West's problem, but Islam's abandonment of intellect.

Despite the failings of CHristians, and there are very many, spreading the Gospel has been a matter of conversion by conviction. I doubt we can come up with very many convert or die episodes in Christianity in the past several hundred years.

The world is and has been a brutal place and the use of religion to tribalize existence and make demons of the "Other" is a fine art practiced all over the world by the "Sons of Abraham."

Only Islam kills in the name of its God. That tells me that it is not an Abramic religion at all, but more like a sacrifical holocaust that true believers must believe in or be rendered apostate.

The Palestinians have been suffering for the past 50 years, but I have yet to see any attempt by any Islamic nation to render real assistance to the Palestinian people. Lots of money to buy weapons, but no lessons in becoming independent of their circumstances. Rooted in hatred for the Jews, they would rather send their own children to death than practice any rational discourse. Any so called religion that sends its own children to die in the name of a diety, and recruits people to die in the name of god, is a pagan religion because the god they woship is a god of death. End of story.

Islam is a death cult.

I hail from India; there is deep resentment there against Muslim conquest, occupation, and rule over India. Mr. Fahmy talks about the Crusades, but the occupation and degradation of the people of the Indian sub-continent continued until the arrival of the British. Many houses of worship in India were destroyed, and hundred of thousands put to the sword.

Like any other people, there are lots of wonderful gentle, loving, generous Muslim people, but unlike others, there are also lots of very nasty, narrowminded, bigoted, hateful people as well - people who may actually do harm if given the chance because they believe that their religion gives them sanction. What is alarming is that the same intolerant mindset is there across all the Muslim populations from different cultures -- southern phllipines, Uzbekistan, Middle East, down to Nigeria. The common thread for all these people is the religion they practice.

Frank Collins said it all.

Thanks Frank! I saved the info you posted.

Thank you Mr. Ambassador, thank you who have a tollerant and sober tone.

The problem with Christianity, Islam or any other religion is not about its content but about how it is used, how it is preached, how it is used - for even good things can be used for evil.

I am a Christian, and am conscious that the history of Christendom is full of examples of that.

And I don't agree that there is no people willing to kill in the name of Christianity nowadays. Most of you guys live in the US. Try to come down to Latin America.

The problem has not to do with religion. It has to do with underdevelopment. And not only economic, but social, moral, institutional development.

Americans are pretty lucky to have had so wise founding fathers implementing such a well framed constitution. And even in this framework abuses can be committed, in the name of good. Why not in less lucky countries, which have not had the opportunity to begin anew their institutional histories? Which have to deal, everytime, every day, at each moment, with the enourmous and urgent problems of today, as well as those of tomorrow, and at the same time carrying the weight of past?

Let Muslims have their faith! Let moderate Muslims build up new relationships! The problem is not religion, but violence, underdevelopment, fundamental rights, rule of law and democracy.

Can a country without due process of law be considered a democracy? Without control of judge's good behaviour? Without effective independence of powers? How to do that without an effective and detailed party system? How can an englightened despot, if such a figure ever existed, promote democracy in his own country if their legal experts, scholars and judges, cannot find a way to to legally exclude a totalitarianist, pseudo-religious group from elections? In such case, violence is such a strong temptation - but the rule of law is not helped either.

As a Latin American citizen, I would suggest America to think about ways to use its huge scholarly resources to study the reality abroad and help framing up institutional solutions that foster democratic developments.

Think about using your commercial and economic power to promote peace and democracy in the world fommenting institutional changes that promote democracy and tollerance. With a good checklist and not only declarations of good intentions on paper.

Is there actually anyone well informed enough to know what has actually been done about democracy in Irak? Is the young institutional framework prepared for the challenges it is going to face when (because that's a matter of when not whether) American troops leave? Is it prepared to face the new totalitarianism of 21th century?

When faced with a totalitarian movement disguised as one political party, as an actor of democracy, Germany fell, despite all its Christian background, despite all its intellectual, cultural, economic resources. Aren't we too strict with Muslim countries?

Whether minoritarian of no, there are moderate Muslims. They should deserve some sympathy. At least they seem to have had that of Locke. And if we are to have some peace in this world, they should also deserve some help - not with guns, but with intelligence (and sometimes guns). It would be way more fair to America's own profession of tollerance and rule of law than condemning Muslims or any other people for their beliefs.

Religion doesn't matter. In the same way that a Christian can theoretically agree with Jesus' admonition to give half of his belongings to the biblical poor, and then refuse to give a penny to the real-life poor, a Sri-Lankan Buddhist can preach tolerance and then burn a bus full of Hindus, a Muslim can be violent or not, it really has nothing to do with religion. I live in a Muslim-dominated neighborhood and it's very peaceful (I just regret the absence of girls in the bars). In fact I moved there because I was sick and tired of the violence and prostitution in my former - non-Muslim - block.

Of course one can find justification in religion for whatever one wants to do anyway. As a French bishop said during the Albi crusade, when asked how to distinguish between heretics and christians in the newly conquered town of Béziers: "Kill them all, God will recognize those that are His". Reading the same Bible Mother Teresa devoted her life to helping the poor of Calcutta. It says nothing about the Bible.

The present wave of violence is not religious but fear-based. The US became extraordinarily violent towards Arabs and Muslims in general after 9/11, even if it doesn't appear to realize it. And the Muslims - not because of religion, however much they wear its flag - responded in kind. It's even hard to know who started - on the Muslim side the fear has been there for some time now, because of Israel, because of US cultural dominance and the angst of cultural alienation, and very often also because ignorance breeds paranoia.

Fear breeds fear, it is the real culprit. I often am reminded of the Lithany Against Fear from the novel Dune :
Fear is the mind-killer
Fear is the Little Death that brings total oblivion
I will master my fear
(and so on, I'm afraid I don't have the novel and can't check if my memory is any good on this).

No follower of any of the 3 Abrahamic traditions (Christianity, Judaism, Islam) can *ever* claim that their religion in essentially one of peace. In order to do so, you would have to tear out pages and pages and pages from all 3 holy books and pretend they never existed.

This "no really, my religion is about peace" argument gets very old, very tiresome.

Read your holy books. All three are narratives of a terrorist god and his brutally murderous ways of dealing with non-believers.

A recent survey conducted said that 3 out of every 10 Muslims favor Bin Laden and his actions. Thats a lot of people. Hmmm...

Muslims all over the world give their TACIT approval of "jihad" against the west. They know that they'll come to no harm either way it turns out. They can sit back and watch the death and destruction of western people and institutions and murmur (behind closed doors) that the west had it coming.

I will not believe that muslims are against terrorism until they work to stop it.

tac•it (tasit)
adjective
understood or implied without being stated

Continuation of the cleansing of the Koran.

"6. To believe that Allah Most High has knowledge of everything from before-hand and that only that which He sanctions or wishes will occur."

This is invalidated by the natural/inherent/God-given gifts/attributes of the human race i.e. Free Will and Future.

As per the theologian Edward Schillebeeckx,
Church: The Human Story of God,
Crossroad, 1993, p.91 (softcover)

We must give up a perverse, unhealthy and inhuman
doctrine of predestination without in so doing making God/Allah the great scapegoat of history.”

"Nothing is determined in advance: in
nature there is chance and determinism; in the world of human
activity there is possibility of free choices. Therefore the
historical future is not known even to God/Allah; otherwise we
and our history would be merely a puppet show in which God holds the strings. For God, too, history is an adventure, an open history for and of men and women."

"7. To believe that Resurrection will definitely occur."

The spiritual resurrection occurs at each death. There will be no physical resurrection from common sense considerations i.e. Heaven is a spirit state i.e. no bodies to include those of Jesus, Mary, Moses etc. can reside there.

"8. To believe in the existence of Heaven."

Acceptable but it exists only as a spirit state.

"9. To believe in the existence of Hell."

Maybe, maybe not. Some say if one dies is significant sin, that person’s soul will simply no longer exist since God/Allah does not tolerate imperfection in the Kingdom.

"10. To have love for Allah Most High."

Of course, just like there is love of all creatures, spiritual and living. Again there has to be an all-inclusive statement for Allah, i..e. aka God, Yahweh, Mother Nature, Jehovah, etc.

"Can't we all just get along?" Judging from mankind's history, the answer is a resounding no. Whatever the justification (religion, resources, etc), we just can't stop killing each other. That pretty much sums it up. Christianity vs. Islam = McCoys vs Hatfields.

Sir
It may be "a few," but it appears to be a very influentual few. Those "few" were able to take over Afghanistan, cause bloody civil war in Algeria, and pose serious challenges to the Governments of Saudia Arabia and Egypt. Let's be sure we don't ignore "the few" you speak of!!!

Second point - STOP talking about the Crusades. It's the cheapest kind of historical victim-hood that exists. Do Austrians go around blowing themselves up, and justifying it because the Muslim Turks were at the gates of Vienna during the 16th-18th centuries?

Why is it that the Islamic apologists continue to use Vietnam, South America, etc. as wars on countries perpetuated by "Christian nations?" Proclamations by Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and George Bush aside, this and other Western countries aren't "Christian nations." The majority of people might consider themselves Christians, but by no means do modern Western nations identified themselves as religious states, unlike the majority of Muslim countries. As Thomas Jefferson and other deist Founding Fathers of the U.S. intended, this nation at least is a secular one (though we fight the influence of the overtly fascist ultra-right Christian conservatives). Yes, I agree that the West has had undue influence on the Muslim world for quite sometime, just as the Muslim world did in large parts of Europe and Asia during the Dark Ages, but we can't continue to have this tit-for-tat revenge and retribution culture on either side. It's hard to have empathy and want to challenge and change our own shortcomings here in the West when attempts at dialogue and NGO assistance is spat on by Islamic governments and common people. Hard to have sympathy and want to help when your people are being kidnapped and beheaded. Islamic fundamentalists want the West to stop treating them like backwoods relatives? Stop killing those who want to help and would like to respect your beautiful countries and peoples again...or is fear and hate really the only emotions you care about anymore? Stop the finger pointing on both sides and just BE NICE TO EACH OTHER!

Jeremy is SO right. SO accurate. SO REVEALING> Clearly, it is we Americans who brought murder, theft, and more murder, upon the peaceful Iraqis. Iraqis may have blue index fingers, but, they also have yellow backbones.EVERY people have the government they deserve.

PETER:

Bear in mind that I am not a practicing Muslim. I am married to a Christian and my children are neither this or that.

Still - you are absolutely wrong. The onus should not be put on Muslims to miraculously change.

I have a simpler solution. Make the West stop being self-indulgent in its consumerist ethos. This will be of multiple benefits to the world:

return to truer christian values =
less conspicuous consumption =
less emphasis on economic growth =
less need for market expansion =
less need to enforce competitive advantage over third world economies =
less need for cheap oil =
less need for 800+ military basis globally =
less turmoil in third world =
less economic inequity =
less war in the ME and elsewhere =
less terrorism.

navel gazing never did anyone any good, especially when you are gazing at someone else's navel.

so pick at your own navel, pal. don't tell me what to do with mine

If the Quran tells Muslims to convert or kill infidels, how can we trust Muslims? Likewise, how can we trust the Christian extremists that believe we must kill Muslims for oil or to protect Israel?

PETER:

Bear in mind that I am not a practicing Muslim. I am married to a Christina and my children are neither this or that.

Still - you are absolutely wrong. The onus should not be put on Muslims to miraculously change.

I have a simpler solution. Make the West stop being self-indulgent in its consumerist ethos. This will be of multiple benefits to the world:

return to truer christian values = less conspicuous consumption = less emphasis on economic growth = less need for market expansion = less need for coersive tactics in enforcing competitive advantage over third world economies = less turmoil in third world = less oil consumption = less war in the ME = less terrorism.

navel gazing never did anyone any good, especially when you are gazing at someone else's navel.

so pick at your own navel, pal. don't tell me what to do with mine

you all need to chill, we're all human

To reiterate, the OT and NT are being updated/modenrized by removing the embellishments and myths. For example, NT scholars have estimated that only 30% of the NT is from the historical Jesus. Professors Crossan and Borg, members of the On Faith panel, are very active in this process.

The problem with Islam is that the Koran has not been updated/modernized. This is almost impossible due the violence of Islam extremists against Muslims when any criticism of the Koran is made. For example if the Ambassador Fahmy was critical of the Koran or of any Muslim clerics, he probably would be assassinated i.e. evidence that Islam is a violent religion.

Living in a free country however we can start the cleansing of the Koran.

Part 1 of the process:

A summary of the Koran:

"The 77 Branches of Faith is a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi. In it, he explains the essential virtues that reflect true faith (iman) through related Qur’anic verses and Prophetic sayings." i.e. a nice summary of the Koran and Islamic beliefs.

"30 qualities are connected to the heart"
(five at a time)

"1. Belief in Allah"

No problem here but "aka as God, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Mother Nature, etc." should be added.

"2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence."

No problem here either but evolution and the Big Bang cannot be ignored and the "akas" for Allah should be included.

"3. To believe in the existence of angels."

A major item to delete. Angels/devils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hittites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ugly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as fairies and "tinker bells". Modern devils are classified as the demons of the demented.

"4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore."

Another major item to delete. There are no books written in Heaven just as there are no angels to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.

Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the uneducated masses in line. Today we call them fortune tellers.

Prophecies are also invalidated by the natural/God/Allah gifts of Free Will and Future.

"5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) alone."

Mohammed spent thirty days fasting in a hot cave before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a "pretty wingy thingy". Common sense demands a deletion of #5. #5 is also the major source of Islamic violence i.e. turning Mohammed's "fast, hunger-driven" hallucinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.

It is frightening that an Egyptian ambassador to the United States is trying to compare the Crusades to Islamic terrorism.

I think we all (or those of us who read the news) agree that Islam is *not* a religion of peace. It is though, a much younger, and more precocious religion than Christianity. As has been stated, the muslim world will have to, in time, experience an "enlightenment" much as those in the Christian world did, realizing that reality and science and justice exist outside of what organized religion teaches and demand our attention and commitment in equal part. The separation of the sacred and the secular was a process that Christianity did not accept willingly (just ask Pope Pius XII), but one that needed to happen for the emergence of consciousness of the people in the christian world.
We live in a time now when Islam is struggling and reacting in fear and extremism against the secular. Pulling the long tentacles of religious clerics out of governments has always proved hard, and the Muslim world just isnt ready to do that, still believing that their religion requires their complete intellect. Places that seek to moderate the place of religion in government and society are routinely condemned and attacked by Islamic leaders. How long this tension goes on for, and what the outcome will be is largely in the hands of the Muslim people. Sadly, the Koran has many passages that can directly justify religious violence. Jesus neither used nor encouraged others to use violence in the name of God. One would hope Muslims would learn from the lessons of history that violence in the name of religion is wrong and twisted. At the moment, there is little sign of hope that those lessons are being learned.

ed,
When Fahmy talks about Islam he forgets the Christian Crusades. In 1492 the Christian Inaquisition began. WW II WWII Korea Vietnam Panama
Afghanistan Iraq Iran, Grenada Angola Zaire, Sri lanka, Indonesia, Cambodia, Laos CONTRAs, all were Christian crusades against small barely armed nations.
No Muslim should feel ashamed about Islam when compared to the millions dead and dying from Christian Crusaders.

Frank:

You are right! But so what?

I ain't apologizing for Mo's pedophelia or Islamic terrorism - I wasn't there. But, please, keep referencing and compiling Muslim shortcomings. Before you know it, I might start adhering to all the nasty stuff in my religion that I paid no heed to before you edified me.

You can kill us all, but wherever you go, there we are. For Christians, your ghosts of sins past. For Jews, your modern day Golems.

PS: I lost some money in the Milken and Boesky thing. Could you send me a reparation check?

PELIGIOUS: It is not that you have to pay anyone off so the violence can stop. It is that you are enjoying the fruits of violence committed by your ancestors while others are still paying the consequences of that violence. To make it a level plain field, you'd have to give back alot. But I suspect you are not willing to. You will equivocate - you are not responsible for your father's sins. Yet you will demand that I take responsibilty for my cousin's sins - a cousin seven times removed.

From a Reuters article out today and based on a survey of 1000 to 1200 Egyptians, Pakistanis, Indonesians and Moroccans:

40% say suicide bombings can be justified.
33% say attacks on civilians is not against Islam.
30% have a favorable view of Bin Laden

Less than 1/4 believe that al Qaeda was behind 9/11.

More than half believed al Qaeda's goals included achieving a strict application of Sharia law in every Islamic country, with more than 70 percent agreeing with that aim

So stop this crap about the few. Islam has a major disease and ostriches who stick their heads in the sand like you will only help cause the rest of the world to annihilate Islam sooner.

"Yeah, other than liberate us from England, free the slaves, end the holocaust and defeat Nazi-ism, facism and communism, what has American military action ever really accomplished?"

Caused the deaths of million in Latin America in pursuit of "anti-left" regimes, installed dictatorships, massacred Indians after stealing from and degrading them, using false pretexts to instigate war (manifest destiny), annex Mexican land and then displace the original inhabitants of the occupied land, initiate war in Vietnam and perpetrate numerous atrocities upon the local populace when meeting resistance, instigate war in Iraq and perpetrate atrocities on the local populace when meeting resistance. Overthrow democratically elected government in Iran in favor of a dictator and support his brutal regime till overthrown by current brutal, but popular, regime.

Above, I meant, "because you don't have an answer."

I don’t know which planet do you live on? When did someone in America end up in prison for calling a politician a crook or a sex-maniac or whatever the case might have been? Where do you live? In Osama’s cave? I noticed that you decided to ignore my questions, because you don want have an answer. You would rather now kill me because it has now become your cultist duty. You guys rather kill any one who raises an unanswerable question about the founder of your cult. He was a sex-maniac. This is the reason that even those who are reasonably among you are sacred to speak up, because one of you fanatics would kill him. But this is America; we have freedom of speech, the real reason for its strength and glory. America is so great that even you would fanatics would give any thing to get a Green Card. You wife-beating, child-molesting, sex-maniac, bottom-washing hypocrites!

Wow! What a bunch of whiney little brats you are. "My daddy can beat up your daddy," "Well, your relative raped & murdered my relative back during the Punic Wars/Crusades/WWII," "I won't say sorry until you do," and the topper..."Death to (fill in the blank)" You all point the finger at each other, declaring you won't stop until the other does. You scream it's not your fault, but tolerate those who commit violence and won't condemn them. Wah-wah-wah. All of you just shut the h**l up. This is exactly what happens when you let a bunch of juvenile deliquents and old men brainwashed by religion run amok, killing in the name of some mass psychosis-induced daddy figure. They ruin countries and kill people who just want to live in peace (could interpret that as some current Western leaders or Islamic fundementalists, eh?). A pox on both your houses...I hope you're all wrong about your God and he's pi**ed at ALL of you! BE NICE TO EACH OTHER!!!!!!

pick and chose without any knowledge of historical events and times is a childish way to 'sway' people. Face it, war in any time period is ruthless and it is supposed to be. Shock and Awe was meant to be ruthless, the bliztkreg was ruthless, atomic bombs are ruthless but are acceptable in terms of warfare and conquest but not acceptable in terms of justice and humanity. Never once did you admit that the pagans and jews were hostile to the first Muslims. Never did you mention their torture, murder, rape, pillage of goods and property. Never once did you mention the deceitful treaties and conspiracies to kill the Muslims. Never once did you put verse 1 with 2. Never once could any of you Islamophobes admit that Islamic history contains high points and should focus on those high points. And never did any of you fools bring up the role in politics, greed, imperialism and colonialism.

Yeah, other than liberate us from England, free the slaves, end the holocaust and defeat Nazi-ism, facism and communism, what has American military action ever really accomplished?

Those condemning Islamic government's might consider the fact that Israel is a Jewish government. There are Israel laws and at least some practices which are against other religions. Indeed one issue many in Israel has is Christians that go there and hand out bibles and try to convert Jewish people.

The Bible, and the Torah both of their unsavory parts too. Such is religion, and I am a religious person. Hopefully those that practice religion rise above such things and practice peacefully. It might also be wise to remember that some faithful of both the Christian and Jewish religion still support violence if the end meets their needs.

Dear Frank,
I suppose in Christianity, it does not say that if you do not accept Jesus Christ as your lord and saviour - you cannot attain salvation. I suppose in Christianity, if you are not baptized, you are still going to heaven.

"I will stop judging when you and others finally do stand up and say "NOT IN THE NAME OF MY FAITH, AND NOT ON THE HEAD OF MY CHILD WILL I ALLOW YOU TO DESTROY WHAT IS HOLY TO ME." Until then - it's not a go."

Right, and Americans should be judged as war mongers and intolerant murderers and economic colonizers till they stop instigating wars, supporting apartheid like policies, overthrowing democratically elected governments because they are not pro US in favor of dictators etc. Do you really want to be held responsible for all the atrocities committed by the U.S?

Dang it. Hussein thinks I owe him reparations. First I owe reparations to blacks, and now I owe them to Muslims. Is there anyone else I need to pay off so that the violence can stop?

reading through the comments i see some pretty funny things. i like the one that says that not all islamics read this column therefore we are to supposed that if they did they would all tell us how peaceful islam is and how they just love everybody. but none of them will ever say that the koran should be purged of their hateful verses.
and then there is the context guy, there is always one of those. ok put these into context:
The Hadith No. 284, The Muslim, volume one, says that any Jew or Christian, who heard of Muhammad but did not convert to Islam, and died in disbelief, would rot in hell! Thus Islam withdraws from all Jews and Christians the right to believe in their faiths, and pratice them as such.
more?
"The unbelievers of the People of the Book and the idolators shall be in the Fire of Hell therein dwelling for ever; those are the worst of creatures. But those who believe, and do righteous deeds, those are the best of creatures..." (XCVIII: The Clear Sign: 5)
more?
Here those Jews and Christians, who spurn Islam, have been lumped together with the idolators such as the Hindus, and classified as 'the worst of creatures'. Therefore the Koran commands:
"O believers, take not as your friends those of them, who were given the Book before you, and the unbelievers, who take your religion in mockery and as a sport..." (V: The Table: 60)
more?
"The true believers say: Has not God ordered a chapter that commands the holy war" (Sura 47:22); or elsewhere: "Kill the idolaters wherever you find them, imprison them, besiege them, ambush them" (Sura 9:5); and, "Make war on unbelievers" (Sura 9:29). "When you come upon unbelievers, massacre them, tighten the bands of the captives that you will have taken. Then you will set them free, or you will release them for a ransom" (Sura 8:57).
more?
"To Allah, there are no animals viler than those who do not believe and remain unbelievers" (Sura 8:57). That is why it is necessary to Islamize them by force and by humiliation. And those who resist Islam and its founder must be chastised, according to the Koran: "Here is the fate of those who fight Allah and his messenger: you will put them to death or you will make them suffer the torture of the cross; you will cut their hands and their feet alternately. They will be driven from the country" (Sura 5:37).
more?
"Do not display cowardice, and do not call the infidels to peace when you are superior to them" (Sura 47:22). THIS ALLOWS THEM TO MAKE PEACE SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE WAR AGAIN LATER.
more?
4.89": They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

"4.90": Except those who reach a people between whom and you there is an alliance, or who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own people; and if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you, so that they should have certainly fought you; therefore if they withdraw from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not given you a way against them.

"4.91": You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given you a clear authority.

and katrina - well she only wants to find love. well darlin - dont go to the middle east - you will not find it there.

victoria - just another loving islamic that will not renounce the above portions of the koran, which call for hate, torture, and forced acceptance of islam. i wonder why the peaceful people of islam will not do that.

and malleck you still at that lie stage about the peaceful conversion of people by islam. anyone with a computer can read that you are just wrong. i believe that i have already posted the true facts.

jeff you want to compare 2,000,000 christians to a few thousand in the balkins? saddam was killing 5,000 a month and you want to call what is part of a battle for land with a genocide? poor boy - you are proof that a degree does not mean intelligence, or even wisdome.

and no one appears to be able to point to any religion but islam that requires forced conversions and murder and hate. please, look at the portions of the koran above and give us the context to make hate and murder just a happy place where islam can take the world.

as for religion as a spiritural matter, i have not even touched on that. its not the spirit part i reject its that pesky killing part while peoplea re still alive, and in accord with the written dictates of islam.

so lets here the rejection of those parts of the koran, [and be specific] lets see marches in the street by islamics to guarantee the rights of jews and christians to live in peace even in the middle east, and maybe we will be on the path for wordly peace, until then its just islam doing what islam does, lying and killing.

"Do MUSLIMS have middle names? If not, how about INTOLERANCE? Or CRAZY? Or FANATIC? Sounds appropriate to me..."

Those would cause too much confusion, since they are already taken by the Bushies and various other Islamophobes as seen on this site...

Do MUSLIMS have middle names? If not, how about INTOLERANCE? Or CRAZY? Or FANATIC? Sounds appropriate to me...

I have read the Quaran, even in it's moderated version in English, it's quite virulent. The Bible and the Torah relies on God for justice. Heaven or hell.The religion is quite archaic and relies on history. There's just too many bombings for me to feel that the Muslims are not trying hard enough to quell this problem, they are too busy defending their faith.

Muslims need to just get over the hatred and spite. There may be very few killing, but there are millions allowing it to happen, without say one word. I don't think this religion is peaceful, kind or tollerant. One just need look at how this religion treats members within Islam to know that they only know intollerence and hate. It is time for the majority of Islam to condemn what is going on and then start doing something about it.

" RE: Truthful:

Would you as a father allow your daughter to be married to a man that you know has the best character and friendship of decades of trust and brotherhood? Do you even know who Abu Bakr as Sadiq was, or does do you not even care about that? You are among the many who attempt to slander Muhammed's character. Your 'opinions' are already set in stone, so what else can I say? YOu definetly did not live to see Muhammad's relationship with Aisha, so who are you to judge? If you have once ounce integrity you will visit the following website. But, i don't think you have much because of your bantering. Good luck! And how many educated Muslims do you talk to as well? just curious.

http://www.themodernreligion.com/prophet/prophet_aisha.htm
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I dont really care one way or the other about muhammed's relationships, but this website basically just stated he was only 9% a pedophile. made me laugh.

Don't judge an entirety based on the actions of a few. I agree with this HOWEVER, there is one small difference. During WWII, many Japanese as well as Germans did everything they could to show their patriotism for their adopted country, the US. Many even volunteered to work as interpreters for the US Military and even to expose those who were working for the Nazis and the Japanese Government. But where is the condemnation today? Where are the millions who are condemning the actions of those who support suicide bomb belters, CAIR and other well-known supporters of Islamic Terrorism?

I do not want to judge the actions of a few for a whole faith, yet why are the masses so silent? There is a direct distinction between Islamics within the US and many other religionists. Except for the partners of the Islamic Jihadists, the KKK/Neo-Nazis, most other people who have their faith will stand up against any extremist within their midsts.

The late Rabbi Meir Kahane may have had followers, but he also had many within the Jewish communities of the US who condemned him. Father Conklin, who was verily anti-semitic during the 1930s had people condemning him who were Catholic. But where are those condemning the terrorist supporters of CAIR, Hatem Bazian (UC-Berkeley Professor), the late Edward Said, the late Yassir Arafat, the late Sheikh Yassin, etc. Absent.

Like the partners of Islamic terrorists of over 60+ years ago, the appeasement made to the Nazis by Europe proved that appeasement does not work. As the late Winston Churchill stated, "IF one appeases the enemy, then one deserves to get a knife in the back from the enemy."

So, in closing, Mr. Nabil Fahmy, I ask you to show me how to trust you and yours. How do I, a person who is of a faith that depending on who's the interpretation deserves to be murdered by trees and rocks. Please explain to me the honor in murdering a child in the name of Honor Killing. Explain how the lies of Arafat is being taught as truth by your bretheren who somehow became professors in our universities, along with others who appease Nazis.

I will stop judging when you and others finally do stand up and say "NOT IN THE NAME OF MY FAITH, AND NOT ON THE HEAD OF MY CHILD WILL I ALLOW YOU TO DESTROY WHAT IS HOLY TO ME." Until then - it's not a go.

Okay, you all got me. There are over one billion Muslims and they are all either terrorists or supportive of terrorism. With the exception of myself.

I am still not going to speak up.

But I promise I'll speak up when ALL present-day Christians and Jews apologize for their ancestors' atrocities against Muslims and start making raparations.

Until then, keep yapping.

I will blame American for bringing war to the Iraqi people and the region. how about that?

it is what it is-jeremy-

since you can find no contradiction to my point- that the overwhelmingly reasonable responses of muslims is an indication of their respectful attitude towards others, i will continue to define myself-

it is simply an observable trend i see in these posts-

should we surmise that extremists of other ilk reply here?

what could be the reason some submit really malicious posts?

blaisep- while you condemn sayid qutb- you also calim that the concept of the house of war (first put forth by qutb) is what muslims bleieve in-

your own reasoning will show you the fallacy of this-
you are right, muslims cannot judge other muslims and how they practice their religion-

exactly the point-

one can accept qutb- or reject this concept-
one can accpet parts of his writings and reject his politics too-

its our choice as you so rightly pointed out-

there are 1 1/2 billion muslims in the world-
the overwhelming majority of them are not extemists, as islam itself preaches the middle way- extremism is specifically condemned in islam by our Prophet(pbuh)

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"President Olusegun Obasanjo declared a state of emergency in Plateau State in central Nigeria on 18 May 2004, following the Christian massacre of Muslims that in turn led to reprisal killings of Christians in the northern city of Kano. The bloodletting had claimed more than 2,000 lives since September 2001. Obasanjo sacked governor Joshua Dariye, accusing him of failing to act to end a cycle of violence between the Plateau State's Muslim and Christian communities. The president also disolved the Plateau State legislature and appointed a retired army general, Chris Ali, as interim administrator for the next six months. Ali is a native of Plateau State."
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lest anyone complain that niger republic and nigeria are 2 separate countries- (niger is north of nigeria) they both share the hausa language, and as any good sociological anthropologist will point out, the barriers of a nations community and civilization are connected by the shared language- which transcends artificial boundaries -

both countries have muslim and christian populations which have been fighting and killing each other for many many years-

the point of this all is to illustrate that neither muslims nor christians have a monopoly on massacring each other-

we are trying for mutual dialogue here-

this is the only thing that will benefit us all
peace

whatever frank posted or didnt( i dodnt read it)
has no bearing on my point.

actually, the fact that you had to bring up completely different topics of no relation, bears out that you can find no contradiction in what i said.

it truly bears thinking about
peace

Jeremy:

"The proof is in the pudding. All manner of rationalizations and defenses can't hold a candle to the experiences under Islamic rule that is the reality for many people today."

You are correct, life is hard for Muslims in quite a few Muslim countries, but with the exception of Iraq and Afghanistan (arguably messes made worse because of U.S and Soviet intervention) the problems are not worse than say the violence in non-Muslim African countries (Rwanda, Uganda, Sierra Leone etc.), Latin American countries (FARC, Guatemala, El Salvador etc). The reason for bringing this up is not that violence and poor governance should be excused in Muslim countries (Which is an argument Richard Cohen used in his op piece to exonerate Israeli abuses), but that there are underlying social, economic and political issues that these conflict ridden regions have in common. Religion is but a tool used to exploit and exacerbate the situation by extremists.

Someone else implied that Tariq Ramadan was an extremist masquerading as a liberal. Any quotes or writings you can attribute to him to back that up? I only heard about him recently and am interested in finding out what exactly he said that makes some in the West think he is two faced.

Nabil Fahmy,

The Quran demands that infidels be murdered, that apostates from Islam be murdered, that women be murdered for any one of a number of disobediences to their male "masters", and so on.

Islam is not the only religion whose "holy book" recommends such atrocities. But other religions have become more tolerant, and Islam, by and large, has not. The world is not now suffering a wave of terrorism from Norwegian protestants or Argentinian catholics. It is suffering a wave of terrorism from Islamic terrorists.

Rather than try to persuade us into believing, absurdly, that this epidemic of lunatic Islamic violence is not driven by Islam, why don't you try to persuade violent Muslims to become more peaceful?

Wow. This comment forum is a mess. I think we have all demonstrated how utterly depraved religion is. Too bad for us all, I suppose.

I agree that if you posted something about people getting hit by lighting each day in chronological order it would appear to happen all the time. But is that really a good analogy here? What if there were a racially motivated killing of a black by a white in our country every day by a group of christian fundamentalists. Would it ring true to say "well there are millions of christians and you can't just judge us all by the extremists?" No, I think there would (rightly) be a hue and a cry. People would wonder what it is about christianity that makes some so violent. I would say it this way: Islam, just like Christianity, is not inherently (or at least no necessarily) violent but it has gone through periods of history of peaceful tendencies and violent tendencies. We are in a period of history where Islam is a violent religion as practiced, even though the teachings don't necessarily mean there has to be violence. Your typical muslim is not a suicide bomber, but he is either sympathetic with or afraid to speak out against the suicide bomber. I think that reflects the reality.

The history of Islam is routed in violence. This dates back to the death of Muhammad. After which the expansion of Islam took place by forcing people to convert or be killed. The actual cause of the crusades was a reaction to the murdering of African Christians during this expansion period who cried out for help. It was ordinary Christians that came to fight Islam as a way of defending their fellow believers. (ironically this Islamic violence in Africa has been a contemporary problem in places like Sudan)

Islamic violence grew international acclaim again after world war II when the Jewish Zionist lobbied to get the nation of Israel established at its current location. The neighboring Islamic countries invaded 3 times vowing to wipe Israel off the face of the map. After 3 invasions Israel learned to read the signs of aggression and successfully attacked and destroyed the enemy that had gathered together on its borders. At some point during these 4 wars, they took the Gaza strip. I will give Egypt credit for leading the way in recognizing Israel as a nation and working toward peace between the two nations despite strong opposition by the rest of the Islamic world.

Then in the late 70's Islamic terrorism began it's cycle of violence against the western world by hijackings killing,and bombings from the U.S., the U.K. and elsewhere. You name it, Anywhere Islamic people live there is Islamic terrorism taking place. There is a culture of death and violence that follows them and cannot be ignored any longer. The western world has tried everything from negotiating, capitulation and even war. I do not know why, but Islam has become a plague on the world like cancer.

The true nature of Isam can be found in it's loudest voice. Iran. If Islam is to be known as peaceful religion, a louder voice must come from somewhere or someone.

Can't they put a maximum limit on the post size?

But here's the questions: Do majority moderate Muslims fail to speak out against terror because:
1. Blood is thicker than water (or the enemy of my enemy is my friend) - that is, like most people they would cheer on even a neighbor they had a decade old dispute with if that neighbor tried to poke the neighborhood bully in the eye
2. They themselves are being bullied by the terrorists and it is not safe for them to speak out
3. They agree with the terrorists

I suspect its #1, but if the US doesn't clean up our act and the Muslims wise up, it will soon be #2

Kamal:
The defference between Isalam and Western Governments is that there is a method for removing those leaders from power through the vote. The vote is anathema to Islam...the Sharia is to be the law of the land, not the Will of the People.

In the case of my government bombing Muslim countries, our current leader is an idiot. But he will be replaced by the vote within two years, probably by a Democrat who remove us from Iraq. We will thus have corrected out stance.

The point of Franks long post and those of others is to show that the eveils perpetrated by Islam are not limited to a "few terrorists in some caves" but worldwide assaults by Muslims against non-muslims on a regular basis. You are ignoring reality. We can certainly find common ground, but the debate becomes fruitless until you admit the current extent of Islamic atrocities, ESPECIALLY those commited by one Muslims ect aaginst another. Will you blame America for the Sunni driving a chlorine bomb into a Shia market?

"Its followers, and I am one of them and hate myself for that" Then you aren't one you fool.

Do you want my name? Come get it. You read things hear and there, what an intellectual you are! Fantastic! In today's world if you were to say such things toward politicians, athletes, or clergy you'd find yourself playing a nice fine for slander or doing some time in the local prison getting reamed from behind.

Islam!
It is just a religion and I think all religions are bad for human beings, however, Islam is a category by itself. a bloody religon? yes; produce too many who are so angry to kill innocent people and take their own life in the process? Yes. supress women and treat them like aliens? Yes. Have a system to enslave people? Yes. Its followers, and I am one of them and hate myself for that, are capable of the greatest hypocrisy and dissmination? also yes... you can just go about and list as many things that is bad about Islam if you live in America or EU, but you will never know the true Islam. it is just a very dangerous thing to the peace of the world. Muslims would accelerate apoclypse if they had the means. If they obtain the nuclear bomb: by by the world! these are too dangerous creatures to let them meddle with the peace of the world, so take care people of the world Muslims are doing their best to acquire the nukes and then no body will really can tell what will happen next..

While some terrorists giving fatwa to kill non-believers while hiding in the caves in the name of Islam, we see prominant Christian politicians openly calling for bombing and destroying a Muslim country in the name of long term security!! We hear everyday religious TV leaders introducing hatred with lies.

Misunderstanding of Islam by a few Muslims does not need to be seen as an opportunity to settle scores for the past.

There are too many differences in religions; Let us seek the common ground and save lives if we can or just abstain from encouraging more violence.

After all, the largest killing of Christians, Muslims and Jews were not carried out by none other than The Hitler; Although insignificant, I am not sure of his religion. You see, it matters more when we come forward to save lives and seek least confrontational way to do this.

BLAISEP:
Truer words on this board have not yet been spoken. For those who defend Islam, read this man's comments and take them to heart.

The proof is in the pudding. All manner of rationalizations and defenses can't hold a candle to the experiences under Islamic rule that is the reality for many people today.

"A few bad Muslims", my tookus. One could easily argue that those of you who take up a moderate approach to Islam are being bad Muslims, because the Koran so clearly states how non-believers, those not of the Umma, are to be treated.

Christianity has become mild in comparison because it had it's civil war...the Reformation. In America many sects lived together under one government (Baptist, Presbyterian, Quaker, even Jew) because those people had just left a continet wracked by religious warfare.

Islam has not yet had its internal squabbling.

In my opinion, it may be best to let the Shia and Sunni kill each other, so that Muslims left over will be foreced to see the value of religious tolerance.

Viejita del oeste, of course you're catholic:) On the web anyone can be anything.

Your comparison of what the Somalis are doing with pharmacists and religious right types at school boards is disingenuous. It sort of reminds me of a well worn muslim argument that they should be allowed to bullhorn the muezzin's call (5 times a day) because church bells are rung.

Pharmacists and school boards make a lot of noise until a lawsuit appears. Build an anatomically correct Christ in chocolate or display the crucifix in urine, you get strong verbal reactions.

Make movie (Theo van Gogh) or write a book (Salman Rushdie) you get a strong physical reaction.

Still don't see the difference? Here's a trick: next time you're in Minnesota, go to any of the Somali cabbies and say you find their behavior 'troubling'...

Report back.

AS ONE WHO HAS LIVED LONG ENOUGH I HAVE TO SAY THIS TO ALL MSULIMS--DON'T WORRY FOLKS. WE LOVE HATING PEOPLE. WE HATED THE NATIVES AMERICANS, THE BALCKS, THE GERMANS, THE JAPS, THE RUSSIANS, AND SO ON. NOW IT IS YOU. IN THOSE DAYS, WE CALLED THEM TERRORISTS OR SOMETHING SIMILAR. TODAY IT IS YOUR TURN.

ALAS! THE BUSHIES HAVE EXPOSED US. OTHERWISE WE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN AWAY WITH MAKING MORE ENEMIES. NOW THE ENTIRE WORLD HATES US. 'YOU SHALL REAP AS YOU SOW". AND WE ARE......PEACE TO YOU ALL.

Rather than castigating Westerners for grouping all Muslims under the terrorism umbrella, Nabil and other moderates should show us by example and by interpreting the Quran in a peaceful fashion that Islam is a religion of peace. Otherwise, the castigations will not serve to change the current stereotypes.

To First Time Viewer: you probably realize that those whom you call "Christian rapists and child molesters" did not rape and molest in the name of Christianity. This makes for some difference, doesn't it?

Hussein:

I was perusing a "how to" site once and saw the alluring link "How to stop yourself from blogging". One of the pearls of wisdom put forth was that the majority of bloggers post precisely because they have entrenched, unwavering opinions. So the idea that one may make a "difference", foster an understanding and appeal to the "other side's" sense of fairness and empathy by articulating ones own perspective and views, while an extremely enticing proposition, is doomed from the get go as you suggested.

Wow that was a great list of everything bad that a muslim has did. I wonder how long a list of rapists and child molestors that are christian/catholic or any other religion. I'm not saying that Christians or any other religion is wrong. That would be ignorant, much like Frank Collins is. I just would like to show how brainless his tacktics are. First thanks for the list, i could do the same for any religion but i will just sum things up. Some of the greatest evils known to man: Nazi Germany/Holocaust, Slavery, Salem witch trials, the stripping of the native american's land and claiming them as their own... the list goes on. My point being is non of these were the works of muslims. Also, all of these were done by different religions and different races. The whole point is you can't generalize people as evil because of religion or anything else. Everyman has sinned and every man has done good on this earth. You hating another man will never bring peace. So enuff listing the wrongs of others and do something more productive with your time. Please stop spreading hate.

I would be much less concerned if the mainstream thinkers of modern-day Islam were moving away from interpreting the basic concept of Jihad in a war-like, aggressive, intolerant sense. But this is not happening. I can barely tell apart the vicious pronouncements of Osama bin Laden from the supposedly liberal writings of Tariq Ramadan. Here lies the real issue, and everything else (including quite irrelevant references to Christianity) is just a verbal smokescreen.

"A few radical Muslims along with many in the West seem to share a common tactic. They intentionally interpret texts out of context and claim that that is what Islam represents. Neither should be allowed to impose their distorted reading nor to define this great faith."

This gets to the crux of the problem with Islam today -- you are in deep, deep denial about what has happened to your faith. "A few" is simply not true, unless you count tens of thousands of Imans and millions of followers as "a few."

I will accept that these radicals have hijacked your religion and are not true to its teachings and its roots -- but there are millions of Muslims who have accepted the teachings of these radicals and who USE Islam to justify their beliefs.

Your notion that it is a "few Muslims" and "many westerners" indicates you want to blame the west for YOUR problems. That won't fly with we westerners, nor will it put you in a position to do something about the millions who are using Islam to advance their aims.

You need to do something about the thousands of Imans who are preaching this hate, who are misuing your faith and who are misleading their followers. There is NOTHING that I as a westerner can do to stop them -- it is all up to YOU to fix. You can start by stop denying the size and danger of the radical Muslim element that defames your religion and puts the West in jeopardy. Until you realize the magnitiude of the problem and start dealing with it, you are part of the problem!

I have to admit that I have not read the Quran and I have not lived in the Middle East, so I am basically an ignorant Westerner. Maybe that is why I don't understand why it is, if there are about a billion Muslims, that we rarely ever hear even a murmur from the hundreds of millions of so-called moderate Muslims when one of the "few" extremists decides to blow him or herself up and take out men, women, children, household pets, schools, police stations, open markets, Christians, Jews, other Muslims, aetheists, and maybe even a few soldiers. Yes, a relatively small number of extremists are tainting the name of Islam, but it appears that very few Muslims seem to even care...

You nameless intellectual coward!
I would never let my 8 years old daughter become the object of a 50+ year old sex-maniac’s lust I don’t care who the heck he is. And how do you know about Mohammad’s relationship with Aisha? Were you at this sick wedding? If you ignore history simply because you don’t have the guts to accept an act of child-molestation at its face value, then how do you know all those hadiths are true? I have suggestion for Muslims! Trash all those hadiths and all those parts of Quran that teach of killing the kafirs and those Muslims who convert to other faiths. As I said, just like any religion, Islam has good things, too. Just focus on those, you morons. No need to molest little girls, and turn into sex-maniacs. And start respecting other religions. I know what you bigot talk about when you gather in your mosques and your stupid parties in which all you do is point your but toward the sky every couple of hours. You guys are sick. You curse non-Muslims and express pleasure over the destruction of 9-11. Osama bi-laden is the hero of many of you fanatics, including some who live in America. This is the sleeper cell that John Ashcroft used to talk about. BTW, I just remembered reading somewhere that Aisha had a hot and steamy affair with a man of her age, and often she would slip out of the hut when her beloved husband would sleep. Who would blame her? Deny this too, because I was not there. Whatever answer you come up with, remember you were not there, either.

Patrick said that Western Christians aren't as violent as they used to be because we have our nation-states pretty well-defined. That is exactly right. And how did we get the point of well-defined nation-states? By way of World War I and World War II. Millions and millions of people died in these 2 brief wars, so that Europe could takes its present form. And that is the way, I am afraid, the problems of the fragmented Islamic and Arab world must be solved, as well. But I am afraid, this time, the world may not survive.

About the only "religious" tenant that has ever made sense is The Golden Rule...treat others as you would wish to be treated. In other words, BE NICE TO EACH OTHER. That's it...plain and simple. BE NICE TO EACH OTHER. You don't need some old, white-bearded man living in the sky to tell you to...BE NICE TO EACH OTHER. Religion is overrated as an explanation for man's inhumanity to man. Doesn't matter what you want to practice as long as your right to worship whatever you want stops at my nose. Muslim, Christian, Jew, Hindu, etc....dream your little dreams and leave everyone else alone. Just BE NICE TO EACH OTHER.

Thank you, Ambassador Fahmy, for promoting dialogue regarding these important issues. I regret the lack of civility that is apparent in many of the responses. I believe that better understanding will come only when we all learn to talk less and listen more. I am from a Christian background and, in my experiences traveling in predominantly Muslim countries, I have been impressed with the compassion, hospitality and love of wisdom that people have drawn from their Muslim faith. Thank you for sharing your perspective.

This is such a tiresome debate.

Fellow Muslims should give up on trying to reach out to non-Muslims. A "can't we all just get along" attitude will do no good with people who harbor dogmatic and rabid anti-Muslim opinions.

Christianity's sins and the Matzoh Ball Republic's crimes preceded Islamic terrorism by ions. Not only can Jews nurse a 2000-year old discriminatory belief that Palestine belongs to them (displacing the Palestinians, who had nothing to do with the Diaspora) and Christians harbor a 2000-year canard that Jesus is the only way (justifying centuries of murder, mayhem, colonization and slavery), but they can concretely benefit from such self-serving propaganda and mythology.

I do not see who in the Muslim world has similarly benefited from terrorism. In fact, it seems that innocent Muslim bystanders have suffered both from Islamic terrorism and the West's unhinged response to it.

I have never carried out a terrorist act nor encouraged any one to do so in my name, yet I am expected to "speak up" against atrocities committed by other Muslims? Get a life.

And let's put Muhammed's behavior in the context of his time, not in the shade of post-enlightenment ideals. When he showed up on the scene, the world had already suffered six hundred years of Christian butchery, more than 1000 years of Jewish xenophobia and timeless pagan failure. So I am glad that Muhammed was a realist who understood the balance of power and kindness and was not the failed prophet of 'love.'

To the poster who asked about Christian crusaders attacking each other, look up the sacking of Byzantium or Antioch.

There is a fundamental problem with this question and that is a monolithic idea of Islam. Just like monolithic Communism was a disastrous mistake, it is foolish to lump Lebanese Shiite religious organizations like Hezbollah with Palestinian Sunni religious groups like Hamas with Persian Shii Islamic governments like Iran with Afghani Sunni groups like the Taliban. Those groups all have similar interests at the moment and will aid each other as long as it serves them, but they have fundamentally different and mutually exclusive goals. The U.S. didn't seem to learn anything after the Sino-Soviet split.

All killing is political. The reason modern Christians aren't killing each other as much anymore is because our nation states have become more or less defined. In places where they are not (see Africa and Northern Ireland) see violent struggles, most appealing to Christianity. In contrast, most Muslim states rely on poorly crafted Colonial borders with little to no natural esprit de corps of the people, thus plenty of turmoil and violence. Introduce the U.S. supporting undesirable governments and poof, global terrorism.

Would you as a father allow your daughter to be married to a man that you know has the best character and friendship of decades of trust and brotherhood? Do you even know who Abu Bakr as Sadiq was, or does do you not even care about that? You are among the many who attempt to slander Muhammed's character. Your 'opinions' are already set in stone, so what else can I say? YOu definetly did not live to see Muhammad's relationship with Aisha, so who are you to judge? If you have once ounce integrity you will visit the following website. But, i don't think you have much because of your bantering. Good luck! And how many educated Muslims do you talk to as well? just curious.

http://www.themodernreligion.com/prophet/prophet_aisha.htm

Ok guys!
I can explain why Iraqis kill us soldiers but before that can any explain me what these soldiers are doing there ? Making freedom for Iraqis and create a better place or get one more gallon oil ?
The guys who talking about Islam's history and wars or killing people or whatever.
Then how about Vietnam, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Peru, Cuba, Panama, Somalia, Iraq, Crusader, Hitler, Stalin.
Talking about Washington or Roosevelt or Lincon but forgot the talk about genocide of native americans.
As a matter of fact it is very simply; you stay in your home and don't get trouble. So Next plan of america is to attack to Iran, Do you poor guys really think that will be easy ? If yes, then i suggest you sit down and think again.
We are still remembering that u.s. support world wide terrorism we are still remembering that u.s. gave trainee to al-Qaide, we are still remembering that u.s. was planned 9/11, and again we can not understand why 3200 jews got day-off on 9/11 and they are still alive.

No one of us where there when all these things are said to have happened. How do we know it's true?

I grew up in Niger Republic. I have spoken Arabic and Hausa for 40 years. Islam now wishes to call itself a religion of peace, and say the vast majority of its adherents do not believe what the Qu'ran has to say about Christians and other kuffār.

I am a Christian. My mother, father and myself have been spit on by Muslims and threatened with death. Nobody rose to our rescue. Inside the دار الإسلام things are different for us non-Muslims. We were among the first NGO people into Kabul Afghanistan, setting up the first women's clinic. We got no help from Muslims.

Islam is roughly 600 years younger than Christianity. Six hundred years ago, Christianity was doing what Islam is doing now, and it would all culminate in the Thirty Years War, in which a third of Europe would die in religious wars. The Treaty of Westphalia emerged from that war, the first notion of international law. Like Christianity, Islam must put a dividing line between Mosque and State, or the line will be drawn for it. There will be consequences for Islam, as there were consequences for Christianity, if this line is not drawn.

The central problem with militant Islam arises from the teachings of Sayyid Qutb. In Islam, nobody may criticise another person's da'wa, the nature of his faith: if any man say the Shehada, he is a Muslim. Yet Qutb feels he may commit this sin against Islam, deny another man's da'wa, deny that man the rights afforded to any other Muslim in al-ummah, the congregation of the faithful, to the point of killing that man. Qutb sets himself up over The Prophet himself (pbuh), and it is the teachings of this wretched Qutb which guide every violent branch of Islam today, from Usama Binladin to the Chechens to Hamas and Hizb'allah.

It is simply untrue to say Islam is a religion of peace, the دار الحرب dar al-Harb, the House of War, is what Islam calls all lands not under its control. All religions, when they interfere in politics, make trouble. The Prophet (pbuh) was a king in his time, and he did what kings do: he made war, made laws, executed his enemies, and left behind wives and children, who made war with each other. Muslim on Muslim violence consumes Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan, Egypt, the list goes on and on.

Now we look at Christianity, meek and mild, as if butter wouldn't melt in its mouth. It was not always that way, as others have observed. What changed, between now and then? The same things must change with Islam, and it must be done from within. For the world will not tolerate the Religion of Qutb much longer: already fatawa have been issued in Saudi Arabia, granting permission to kill up to 10 million Americans. Let others say Islam is a religion of peace, I will not, for I have lived within it for more than 40 years, off and on, I know better. Yet peace will come to Islam, as it came to Christianity, at the point of a gun. The West will no longer tolerate Islam's tendencies to violence, as we destroyed the power of the Pope, we will be revenged on these Sons of Qutb.

Truthful:

I agree with you on Islam reinterpreting itself. One of the first things that needs to be done is throw out the Shariah and Hadith. They are full of contradictions. The Quran does not need to be changed, just have some portions reinterpreted from a more humanistic point of view. Recently a woman (U.S or Canada, I cannot remember excactly) offered a new interpretation of a controversial verse that talks about a man being able to gently beat his wife if she "behaves badly" (some might prefer a wife being "bad"). She researched the word that translated to mean "beat" and found that it had 20 plus meanings, one of which was to "ignore".

The majority of the interpretations of the Quran come from scholars who lived in patriarchal societies and most likely interpreted the Quran to support their own prejudices, which happened to coincide with the customs prevalent in those cultures. This would have made accepting Islam much easier for the general populace. Take Somalia for instance, I have not heard of the Quran advocating female circumcision, yet this barbaric custom is justified as "Islamic" by so many clerics in Somalia. The practice is more "African" than it is "Islamic", though a large part of the areas where it is practiced mey be inhabited by Muslims (a subtle difference but a difference none the less). This illustrates the power of culture over religion in my opinion and the ability of culture to morph religion to fit its parameters.

Homer you are playing an evil game. Anybody can take references out of history and spin. These references mean nothing by themselves. what matters is a detailed understanding of the events. Bible has the most blood-thirsty, horrendous verses, that i do not feel comfortable quoting as they will be taken out of context. Quran offers nothing in comparison. heck, my own brother-in-law left christianity b/c of the violence it talks about and the extre wrath of God. Stop this silly game.

Lord have mercy, by the time I got down to the part where you make a comment I forgot what I was going to say! Seriously people cut the crap out, specially those way too long comments about how much you know about Islam and how long you've studied the Qu'ran! No one cares specially when it's clear you have no business talking about the subject. For starters unless you've read the Qu'ran in arabic you're probably misinterpreting every single word and the context. Secondly Mohammed did not write the Qu'ran to be Frank he wasn't around when it was written. Lastly an Islamic Nation Minister isn't going to have the same interpretation of Islam as say an Imam (a true man of Islam) will have. Islam isn't anymore violent than any other religion or their people. It's all in the context that the media and the people choose to interpret it and feed it to the masses.

Frank,

You forgot to list these additional crimes by the Muslim masses. I am listing them here for your benefit. Please help me spread the truth about Islam!

10/18/06: A muslim man driving his car through downtown Washington DC ran a red light!

10/20/06: A muslim man was seen exiting from a bathroom at Washington National Airport. It was later found out by the airport authorities that this man forgot to turn off the lights in the bathroom! American is now more dependent on Saudi oil because of this criminal!

10/30/06: A muslim man was seen picking his nose while driving his car to work! The police are still investigating this incident and are trying identify this man. If anyone has any information regarding this event please contact your local authorities.

11/01/06: A muslim man was seen playing baseball with christians! Everyone knows that muslims play cricket and not baseball! This criminal was obviously trying to conceal his true identity and build friendship with these poor unsuspecting people.

The list goes on and on.....When will the world wake up and see the truth about this religion?

Clarification:

The 22,062,427 people killed by Muslims in WWI does include the 6 Million Jews also killed by Muslims. We don't want anyone to accuse us of inflating Muslim violence.

Victoria -- so, exactly how is Islam not a violent religion when its founder & the one whose example you are required to emulate -- killed people who did not convert? Again, there is no corollary in Christianity. Jesus killed no one and never urged his followers to do so.

Rita,
The Contra's were on our side.

OK. nothing new about Aisha! But where is your answer? Was he a child-molester or not? Answer the question, you intellectual coward! Where is the originality in your avoiding the answer, like most Muslims do, even many eductaed ones. They are intellectual cowards, hence, thier perpetual misery. it is easier to behead an innocent captive than answer an argument.

Why don't you speak of the muslim invasion of Spain over 300 years BEFORE the First Crusade? No one believes your lies except the idiots who swallowed the twaddle of peaceful Islam. The police will not always protect you in the West and then you will have to deal with anti-muslim "activists" who want to "talk" to you, sooner or later.

I think God is above all math equations and can grant those who deserve rewards their compensation.

I understand Franks view of Islam. I don't agree with it but I understand it. If you look at the history of Abrahams three religions you see lots of violence in Gods name until some liberal political philosophies are injected. The Israelis prior to domination by others were warriors, Christianity has a long bloody history(when not crusading they were killing each other), and of course the spasms of Islam as reacts to the despots of the middle east. So maybe with a little luck and persuasion Islam can grow through this.
Jim

So the christians only talk about good things but yet they wage plenty of world wars and disrupt cultures on every continent? As for your attempt to put down Muhammed in regards to his relationship with Aisha that is nothing new, nice try. Be a little more original in your attempts to 'change the world' you pathetic child.

"What is stopping the moderate Islamists from denouncing those who murder and starting a "new" faith?"

Well for one thing the extremists are much better armed, so you are liable to probably get you and your family killed, and the majority of Muslim countries do not have effective law enforcement (or the rulers choose to look the other way when extremists threaten violence). Taking out a procession against the ideas promoted by these people is not so easy as marching on Washington D.C. I do have to commend the thousands of people who came to the streets in Pakistan in protest against a bunch of radicals threatening to enforce Shariah. The response of the government, let the radicals block roads, kidnap people accused of "moral depravity", and harass and threaten owners of "objectionable businesses". If I were a moderate without the means to start life in another country (as unfortunately the majority of Muslims are), I would be very, very afraid to open my mouth to protest these goons as the Govt. pampers them and looks the other way..

OscarMayer Responds
George Bernard Shaw was a brilliant playwright. (I have read him extensively). However, like many brilliant people, he failed to see the threat from Islam. Also, do not forget, in his time Islam had yet to resurge from the humiliating defeats it suffered from more technologically advanced societies. Oil wealth changed that.

I suspect Shaw would recant if he saw Islam and the violence it has generated. Only Hitler and Stalin have demonstrated greater virulence. I believe containing Islam would be at least an order of magnitude more difficult than the effort it took to defeat Hitler and Stalin. The followers of Hitler and Stalin were at least members of a civilized society with all the restraint that implies. Even the fanatical SS soldiers could not be convinced that dying in battle granted them the exclusive rights to 72 virgins in the next Kingdom.

Any semi-literate sex-starved youth becomes a potential convert, for where other religions offer restraint, Islam appeals to their purient, immoral and lecherous basic instincts. You gotta admire Muhammad for his genius. What other man has appealed to a man's baser instincts more convincingly and with greater success while offering him the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven. Unfortunately, in a nuclear age Muhammed's philosophy becomes impractical if not extremely dangerous.

Besides, from a practical viewpoint, Allah would have difficuly finding 36 billion virgins if all 500 million Islamic males decided they wanted to become martyrs.
(Note:500 male muslims X 72 virgins for each male = 36 billion virgins).

In response to Franks list: Where is the mention of politics when mentioning all these events, or do you easily grant these events as 'islamic'? I could spend the entire day building my own 'christian', communist, or socialist list that will double anything you copy and paste continuously. The fact is that Islam is here to stay, sorry haters. Poor leadership and lack of education is at the root of the Muslim problem. They were once in the Golden Age but have wanned into the darkness. God has granted them great wealth and they have sqaundered it. God has given them RESPONSBILITY and they are failing at it. The West cannot bring much solution to their political and social problems, so I suggest they best learn that democracy cannot be implanted in their societies. For all those posters who fear Islam no matter how much moderate Muslims speak up it will NEVER be enough for you, so why do you even attempt to communicate in these forums when you already have an agenda of lies, deception, and ignorance? Civilizations wax and wane all the time and we are caught in the middle of a huge global event. Finger pointing will not solve anything.

All religions are nothing but the tool of a particular cultist to control the mind of his people. The followers of almost all religions have recovered from this sad reality. There is lot of garbage in all religious books including the Quran. But Christians have ignored all the garbage in the Bible and only talk about the good things. Jews have done the same vis-à-vis their book as have Hindus. Mormons have given up polygamy. Only Muslims continue to believe in all their Quran junk. Has any Muslim ever thought of Muhammad’s true nature? I think he was a cultist, a sex-maniac and a bigot. He had sex with any thing moving. He convinced his associate Sidik to hand over his 8 years old daughter whom he married. A 50+ years old man marrying an eight year old girl! And Muslims are proud of this child molestation. Shame on them! This Mohammad-Sidik conspiracy against a little girl was nothing more than an act of a mad cult. It is about time Muslim stop quoting Quran and start to ignore the garbage it preaches, and only focus on good things that it encompasses, and there are some good things in it. Like taking care of orphans, charity, etc.

Victoria: Please read my post again. I made two points, directly addressing yours:

1) The lack of vitriolic comments in this message board by Muslims bears no relation in any way to the amount of atrocities perpetrated by Muslims in the world. There is no relation. There is no reason to base the peacefullness of a religion Islam by the existance of or lack thereof of comments by Muslims, peacefull or otherwise, on a tiny message board buried int he corner of an online newspaper.

You asked why there are no comparable responses by Muslims on this board, and i answered you in my post. Please reread it.

2) You should read Frank's comments before continuing. His comments, the very long large list of atrocities (there are two lists recently posted) is the reason why you must scroll down so far to read the messages.

There are a lot of attacks on Islam here, vitrioloc or otherwise. But I have a suspcion that you would take ignore most of the points of s harsh, critical attacks against islam rather than deal with the points made. Most posters hear, myself included, feel that islam is a terrible religion and bad for humanity. I'm sorry you disagree. Just because you may respond peacefully to that or other staments here does not make yours the better religion for mankind, I'm sorry to say.

Homer:

Your posts...they're all Greek to me....

Homer.
Mohamed Malleck,

Little knowledge is dangerous.So is trying to con people into believing Mo was a prophet or that he used peaceful means to convert people. Deception and omission is also part of Islam.

So he didn’t sold women and children in slavery? He never went to war? People just converted so easily out of love. So what the hell was he killing and slaving people; if people were so grateful to him?

RAID WITHOUT WARNING
It is not always necessary to give warning or offer options in advance. If need be, this requirement can be waived. Religious conversion is likely to ensue from a military victory followed by pillage and plunder. "The Messenger of Allah made a raid upon Banu Mustaliq while they were unaware and their cattle were having a drink at the water. He killed those who fought and imprisoned others" (4292).
All is fair in love and war, particularly a war fought in the Way of Allah. As the Prophet says, "war is a stratagem" (4311), or, as some others have translated it, "cunning."

CHILDREN OF THE POLYTHEISTS
In jihad, all arms-bearing males of the enemy are killed, but Muhammad "disapproved of the killing of women and children" (4319). They are generally taken prisoners and then enslaved or sold or released after ransom is exacted. But if they are killed, no song need be made about it. Sa'b b. Jassama said to Muhammad: " Messenger of Allah, we kill the children of polytheists during the night raids. He [Muhammad] said: They are from them" (4323).

JUSTIFICATION OF BURNING TREES
Muhammad surrounded a Jewish tribe called Banu Nazlr, residing in the vicinity of al-Madina. and ordered their date-palms "to be burnt and cut."
Since destroying palm trees was something of a sacrilege in Arabia, this shocked the Arabs. So Allah hastened to speak through Muhammad: "Whatever trees you have cut down or left standing on their trunks, it is with the permission of Allah so that he may disgrace the evil-doers" (Quran 59:5; hadls 4324).
Fortified by this revelation, Muhammad cut down and burned the celebrated vineyards of the enemy at at-Ta'if in the eighth year of the Hijra. That was another contribution by Muhammad to the new ethics of war, unknown to the Arabs before.

SPOILS OF WAR
The plundering of infidels and polytheists is a central concept in the Muslim religion, and was the linchpin in the economy of the ummah for centuries. Allah made war booty lawful for the Muslims. "Eat ye the spoils of war, it is lawful and pure," says the Quran (8:69).
One had Is tells us that the spoils were made lawful especially for the ummah. "The spoils of war were not lawful for any people before us. This is because Allah saw our weakness and humility and made them lawful for us" (4327).

DIVISION
Essentially, the spoils belong to Allah and His Apostle. "They ask thee concerning the spoils of war. Say: 'The spoils of war are for Allah and the Apostle" (Quran 8:1). But since the mujahid does not live by Allah alone, and also as a favor and extra incentive, he is given a share in it.
The translator explains: "A mujahid fights to uphold the cause of righteousness and for the supremacy of Islam, and if in this fight he gets a share in the spoils of war, it is an extra favor to him" (note 2229).

Yes Mo was a wonderful fellow people just converted out love for him. Nothing to do with his out right butchery.

A formidable list indeed! Frank's list overlooked the 6 million of Jews Muslims killed in Europe. The 22,062,427 people Muslims killed in WWI. And the 72,725,100 in WWII. Not to mention other pre-WWI violence. Such as? The European wars between 1450 (the War of the Roses) and the Napoleonic wars after 1789. These Muslims are real killers! Why should we debate them?

Horace:

Horace, thx for the well wishes, perhaps ill get my seventy virgins....

By the way...that minister was my dad who pass away several years ago...

A Christian minister and pastor once told me that religion is a man made concept that is used to control people. He also said faithfulness is knowing your God without evidence and hoping that the peace that all human desires will one day be understood by your limited mine. This statement was made when I asked, what the difference between being religious and faithful is. I see a lot about different faiths mentioned in the discussion. Islam, Christianity, Hindu, Jews are all mentioned in the discussion and debates are going on about how all religions has, one time or another, kill and destroy people; how much destruction and killing was done by one or another. It really amazes me that no one wants to acknowledge that the innate evil that exists in man allows for such beastly acts. All wants to point to their God and how good and faithful their religion is. I guess what you are telling me is that the control that you are put under by a man is about the goodness of God. How crazy you all sound. Defending a man made concept to justify God's approval. Who has seen God, Mohammed, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Budha, etc. Every evil man will cry I am peaceful and is under the authority of God, when all they are after is to satisfy their own truth and lust for power. If my God created heaven and earth and let the rain fall on the just as well as the unjust then why does he need mans concept of what He desire. You hypocrites…If God is all powerful and your religion states you must follow this direction or this concept to be good or just…where is God’s control?….The desire for power is what it is all about and don’t you dear deny it. Any fool knows that we have killed more people in the name of religion than any natural disaster or calamity. We want to claim that one religion is better than another. Yeshua, the anointed one, called a group of believers to His teaching of how to be God-like. Man created Christianity to ensure they control the people under their authority. Answer this, why does people of religious faith always have a man for a leader that guides their faith and can direct them to do things in the name of God or belief system….things they won’t or can’t do themselves. Are you that dumb? People defend themselves but why must I defend a religion when man made the concept up. Judaism, Islam, Christianity are religions. What is God’s religion? I trust in my God’s pure spirit to guide me and not some man concept of what God wants. You can try to justify your religions but deep inside you know it is about your race or ethnicity. Why kill other in a different land in the name of God? Answer, they don’t look or talk like me. Hypocrites, face the truth. You are control by a man-made concept and not God’s. I remember Abraham the father of the major three religions once defended a city’s destruction. When he asked God, if there 10 righteous in the city, will you still destroy it and God said no. Sodom was destroyed…could not find 10….be prepared all who defend a religion…you too might not be just as you think. Remember, your father Abraham knew his God. Do any of you today?

An Islamic spin artist? He's as believable as the Bushies...which is to say zero credibility on just about every topic imaginable.

Fahmy might be able to spell and do math, but he's nothing more than spin doctor. He'd just as soon cut your throat than blow you a kiss.

The spin doctors do nothing against their own..except make excuses. The sad thing is, probably 2/3rd's of the worlds population is influenced by misinformation like Fahmy's.

I say to Fahmy - proof is in the pudding. Tell your brethern to "take back" your religion and stop blaming it's violence on the West. Take a look at what the Methodists, Baptists, Lutherans, etc did when the Roman Catholic church ran amuck...they left. Well, not as easy as that, but you get the point. What is stopping the moderate Islamists from denouncing those who murder and starting a "new" faith?

Too hard? Too smart? Too democratic?

To those who buy into this spin...I have a bridge to sell you.

Hey Jeff,
Your "Frank, Frank, Frank...." post was delightful. Nothing beats shining a light. Not that the light will be understood by the one so 'enlightened'. But at some point it serves all. Clever.
A curved blade beats a straight edge. Works in an arc, and everyone knows that things become more clear when the circle is completed. And you still had a compassionate glint in your eye when you rotated your right cheek forward.
Thanks for the smile.

Zain you are a piece of crap and I hope you DIE!

According to a famous and credible author, Robert Spencer: Mohamed was a pedophile, a very violent human being and a terrorist. He copies mostly from Jews and Christians to write his book of terror called Koran.
This is not a religion of peace but a murderous cult, according to Spencer.

Thanks you Josiah for expressing the views of all REAL AMERICANS!

All those who have skewed views about Islam needs further study of the religion. Truly, there are very few who follow Islam exactly. But that does not mean that Islam is not a good religion.

Islam does not preach violence. PERIOD. All those who cites verses of Holy Quran about violence, do not observe the right context.

It is not a good defense of Islam to point out that Christianity has done just as many bad things. In fact, it is easy to see that Christianity and Islam are mirror religions, in mirroring cultures. Both have had pretty malevalent influences on history, extinding right up until the present day. It has taken Europe a long time to tame its malevalent religion; is it too much to expect the Islamic people to do the same?

Frank don't take any crap from these towel headed Hos!

RS:

1. Hamas was voted in because of the failure of Fatah to not only get Israel to negotiate upon a final settlement, but also because Hamas, in its role as a social organization, delivered on providing basic necessities and services to a lot of people in Gaza. You think, autocrat, dictator, violent group... the people who have to live in the inhuman, degrading life under occupation think; food, drinking, water, shelter etc. That is the paradox of a lot of "extremist" organizations.

2. The SCIRI, reasons same as above, and do not forget that the death squads really exploded after waves of suicide bombings kept targeting Shia neighborhoods, with the explosion of Shia violence occurring after the Samarra shrine bombing.

3. A recent poll also shows that a very small minority of Muslims believe violence against civilians in pursuit of political objectives is justified. That same poll also talks about a "perception" amongst Muslims that Al Qaeda was not responsible for attacks on the WTC, perhaps explaining why there continues to be support for this organization.

WorldPublicOpinion.org.

Gregor, while some of the political support from the war in Iraq comes from conservative Christians, the soldiers doing the fighting and the majority of Americans who support the war are not apocolyptical Christans. There are certainly a large number of them, but I think it is rediculous to say that we have gone into iraq for religious reasons. As ignorant as Bush and Cheney are, I do believe they seriously thought that they would bring a domino effect of Democracy in the middle east by making iraq stable.

Seriously, if I was a Christian president and really, SERIOUSLY wanted to bring about an apocolypitcal battle with Islam, a small nuclear device detonated over Mecca during the Hajj would do the trick.

The difference, again, between Christianity and islam is that few people in this world commit acts like suicide bombs and brutal beheadings and so forth in the name of Christianity. It certainly happens now and then, but if you think that there's no signifigant difference between modern Islam and Christianity you are mistaken.

Fearing the freedom of the west, Islamic radicalism is supported everywhere, and in this line also does the west know Islam through radicalism or moderation? The comparison between crusaders and Muslim radicals as they do not present their respective true faith, is exactly as saying that the Muslim radicals reflect middle ages mentalities and never our modern time – true. In this line also this question is asked, which voices are supported more in the Muslim world, that of the radicals or that of the moderates? The best way to keep the chairs and divert attention from the social ills like unemployment, low income, dissatisfaction, etc. is the anti-west Islamic radicalism that has a magical power in blaming the west for all the troubles – Muslim governments cannot take this stand openly. To give a very simple demonstration in support, how many Arabic stations are directed against the US and how many stand in support? Do the radicals dare to stand against their respective governments? As for the three Abrahamic faiths the problem is far greater than any single solution – one drop of green paint can never paint the black sea green.

MADRONE: Whenever we create divisions, we create disorder. If somebody comes and starts handing positions based on race in US, then soon blacks, whites, hispanics etc will be killing each other. Add to it a system of insecurity and fear. America introduced a dumb system. Read Nir rosen, (who is Jewish) "Crimes of US'

Shaihs and Sunnis are killing every day, but that killing does not come even close to what US achieved via intensive bombing. The current situation is a direct result of power vaccum and US strategy. If you do this in a christian, hindu, or a secular society, the result will be the same. Tart seeing HUman ans humans and not on the basis of religion, sect or creed. You will see they are essentially all the same.

it is what it is-jeremy-

since you can find no contradiction to my point- that the overwhelmingly reasonable responses of muslims is an indication of their respectful attitude towards others, i will continue to define myself-

it is simply an observable trend i see in these posts-

should we surmise that extremists of other ilk reply here?

what could be the reason some submit really malicious posts?

whatever frank posted or didnt( i dodnt read it)
has no bearing on my point.

actually, the fact that you had to bring up completely different topics of no relation, bears out that you can find no contradiction in what i said.

peace

OSCARMAYER: obviously you know nothing about Islam. As for its Leader, here's what Bernard Shaw, and some other great men have said. The list goes on I am merely quoting 3. Should we believe them or a slanderer like you. No religion that preaches violence can ever spread so fast, b/c ppl by default look for peace when choosing a religion. T

George Bernard Shaw:
"I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving the problems in a way that would bring the much needed peace and happiness. Europe is beginning to be enamored of the creed of Muhammad. In the next century it may go further in recognizing the utility of that creed in solving its problems."

Gandhi:

"I become more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers and his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle”. (Young India, 1922).

Michael H. Hart of USA, compiled a ranking list of the 100 most influential persons in the history of the entire humanity, who authored book “The 100 most influential persons", published in 1978 by Hart Publishing Company Inc. He ranked Muhammad peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him, as the number one, at the top of his list. Following are brief excerpts from the chapter on Muhammad.

“My choice of Muhammad to lead the best of the world’s most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular levels.

Reply to: Americans crowding on the streets to protest the killing of thousands of innocents in Iraq in a war based on lies of our poltical leaders, are we to assume that Christianity, the majority religion of USA, is to blame for these deaths?

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If the US government was engaging in direct, wholesale slaughter of Iraqi civilians, you'd have a point.

However, nearly all of the deaths in Iraq are now perpetrated by Muslims, against Muslims.

(That said, I'm not adbdicatng the US of responsibility for the war, but your comparision is foolish)

"I would say no one commits those acts today in the name of Christioanity"

What an ignorant statement.

Much of the support of the Iraq fiasco came from Christians who believe that bringinging about some sort of cataclysmic event in the Middle East will accelerate the second coming of Jesus Christ.

SubhanAllah.

Victoria, the simple answer to you question may be that many radical or even moderate Muslims do not read this section of the Washington Post's site. This does not mean that they don't exist.

More to the point, your defense of Islam, which is akin to saying "Look, no Muslim has posted anything nasty here, so maybe we aren't so bad after all" ignores the sizable list of atrocities committed by Muslims in the name of Islam that Frank has posted.

That list, as infuritating as it may be, simply can't be ignored or brushed away if you expect people to believe you represent a religion of peace. It must be answered. It must be dealt with.

A person can show me thousands of atrocities commited by Christians in the past, and I would say no one commits those acts today in the name of Christioanity. You can say, "Look at all the evil America has done!" and I would point out America's involvement in Somalia and Bosnia which were designed specifically to prevent the slaughter of Muslims, something which Muslims themselves would not even do.

So how do you respond to Frank's list?

Dan Storm:

"Once again when people want to assert that Christianity is violent they pull a thousand year old event out of the closet, namely, the Crusades."

Oh ok, hold on a sec..

What about the native Americans, millions of whom were decimated by European "Christian" colonizers?
The rape and destruction of African peoples? The savagery of the Nazi's and the pogroms of the Russians?

What about the conflicts and ensuing dictatorships the U.S promoted in El Salvador, Nicaragua, Chile, Guatemala, that left millions dead?

How about the Vietnam war? Almost two hundred thousand dead because of the great "brainfart" the neo-cons had about "reshaping" (colonising?) the Middle East.

Just more "Collateral damage" in the U.S's pursuit of "free market, democracies? Seems to me that this "Democratic free market" god is more bloodthirsty than those worshiped by the followers of the three monotheisms.

Now granted that not all of the above conflicts were done in "Gods name" (though one particular president has invoked heavenly guidance as partial explanation of his actions), but is violence committed in the name of religion worse than that committed in the name of any other? Murder is murder and the use of barbarism and violence in the pursuit of any objective (anti-communism, democracy, Islam, Christianity, saving puppies stuck in trees) is condemnable. (Well maybe the people who put the puppy in the tree deserve a kick or two in the rear...)

Frank, Frank, Frank, you don't have to ask me when I'll ever learn. After all, I do have a degree in Middle Eastern studies and am well aware of the Armenian massacre committed by the Ottomans. What about the more recent massacres of Muslims by Christians in the Balkans? But it's no use trying to reason with close-minded bigots, be they Muslim, Christian, Jewish or what-not. Rant as much as you like. I'll take comfort in two other maxims: Love thy neighbor as thyself and If someone strikes thee on thy right cheek, offer him thy left.

HOMER,

Your post of April 24 at 1:14 p.m.

The first time you heard the great wisdom that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, you must have been eight years old or younger. Yet, up to now you don't appreicate how true it is and you don't apply it to yourself.

When the Jews welcomed Muhammad, p.b.u.h. and his companions to Yathrib after their exile (Hijra) from Mecca, they listened to his message and got converted to Islam just, in 860 more than 1 million Kharakanids got converted in the largest single mass conversion act ever recorded in history and just as Timur the Lame and his legions got converted when Timur met an Imam on the banks of the river Amu Darya. The episode is recounted, with original souces cited in Marozzi's book Tamerlane (published 2006).

As for your claims of Muhammad p.b.u.h. waging war on caravans, it was Khadidja's caravans travelling between Damascus and Mecca and carrying precious silks and damasks (exquisite textile material so called because they came from Damascus) that were being ambushed by those who had persecuted Muhammad p.b.u.h. and his companions earlier. The companions defended themselves with Islamic fervour. It was that sincerity, that fervour which in those days already prevailed over the numerical superiority of the adversary (and which today again prevails over the most sophisticated and technologically-advanced war machines of Baus and Blair), that won the admiration of on-lookers and got them converted to Islam the same way thatmy great grandfather got converted to Islam and I am so full of fervour for Islam.

Many postings here have greatly saddened me. I wonder how many of the posters have any depth of experience in any foreign nation let alone a Muslim nation?

The news that we see, some of which Frank posted in his 58,000 words, is certainly overwhelming as is the prison population any given day in the U.S. and annual violent crime rate from any major U.S. city.

Growing up in a foreign nation and living abroad as an adult taught me something at a most fundamental level...most people around the world care about the following first and foremost --- finding love, providing for their families, and some form of personal satisfaction be it a hobby or job or dream. This can be said of a peasant in Indonesia, a Moroccan shop clerk, a Portuguese diver, a Tongan radio announcer, a sheepherder in New Zealand, an Ethiopian school principal, a Japanese schoolboy or an American homeless woman on a blanket in Southwest Washington,DC.

I hope that some of the posters have the opportunity to experience the joy of getting to know other cultures even within their own country...it seems that some of these folks have such terrible bias that they have eluded this joy. What a travesty.

Anon:

I wanna give you a hug man, that was beautiful. But a manly hug, cool?

In Iraq, the party with the most votes was the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution, which is known to run death squads. The Palestinians voted for Hamas. Ahmadinejad won in Iran (though in defense of Iranian voters, it must be said the clergy cherry-picked which candidates were allowed to run at all). Polls show confidence in al-Qaeda is a mainstream opinion in many Muslim countries. A significant minority of British Muslims supported the London terrorist attacks. It is demonstrably a lie to say that only a tiny fringe of Muslims sympathises with extremists. This doesn't mean moderation in the Islamic world is ncessarily doomed (after all, a plurality of Germans voted for the Nazis), but extremism, like Fascism in Europe in the 1930s is a genuine mass movement, not the work of a handful of people. To deny this is both untenable and counterproductive.
Separation of Church and State is the only way forward for a civilised society - the alternative is the path to the Inquisition, the Taliban, the Salem witch trials, the stoning of rape victims.

I will begin worrying about 'the silence of the Muslim world' as soon as approval rating of the architects of the Iraq war goes down to 1% or less in our country.

Frank's history of violence by the followers of Islam is well known but often ignored by the pseudo-liberals. I think a key point here is there has always been violence when religious demagoguery has prevailed. You will see reference to it in the Old Testament and even the Bible.

Most religions become accomodating with maturity and through contacts with different societies. Islam does not seem capable of making that path to accomodation. The Koran is basically the work of a semi-literate man, a shrewd politician, who used religion to secure a large following among the nomadic tribes of Arabia. References in the Koran to the acceptability of raping, killing and enslavement of non-muslims was a clever way to appeal to the natural greed of the populance. It's no different than any other shrewd dictaor would do.

I suspect in the end the West will either have to contain Islam or be overun. Bush, unfortunately has failed miserably. One needs an abler politician while the West still has the economic and military superiority. China could be an ally as it too has fears of an Islamic scourge.

i would like to make note that i just finished my afternoon prayer- so that is my state ofmind in this composition-

also this happens 5 times a day, so at least 5 times a day i have this reasonable attitude(however i am inclined to believe the reason overlaps from prayer to prayer)

Muslims comprise the most diverse population of any grouping on the planet, yet people still persist in believing fox news perceptions-

id say the proof is in the pudding-

witness the very apparent examples on these boards-

where do you see angry and abusive muslims here?

do you see muslims name calling and castigating others?
acting impolitely, judging others, slandering others?

id say there is a disproportianate amount of reasonable response to overt aggression here-

and yet it doesnt strike anyone as indicative of islamic manners and behavior?

while i see a preponderance of verbal violence against muslims-

is this verbal violence and abuse answered back in reciprocal manner?

there are even those who mislead others by using arabic names, and then propagating outright hatred and vitriol-

has anyone seen a corollary malice in return?

or even anger?

if islam is filled with out of control emotional and anger filled adherents, why dont we see any evidence of it here?

people respond with outright irrational emotions controlling their every word- but the muslims remain reasoned.

it is a phenomenon that certainly deserves mention and attention.

peace all

Mr. Fahmy,
I believe you are more or less correct in your second sentence when you suggest that tensions result in part from Westerners' concerns that Islam encourages or tolerates violence. However, I think you are mistaken if you are suggesting that educating people about Islam is the solution. What is or is not written in the Quran and taught by Islam is largely irrelevant to Westerners' current views of Muslims (with the exception of some members of this discussion).

Westerners' suspicion that Islam tolerates violence comes from the APPEARANCE that the followers of Islam insufficiently condemn those that carry out violence. I stress "appearance" because I use it subjectively and you may disagree. Many of these acts of violence strike Westerners as so incredibly abhorrent that they must be aggressively condemned and aggressive action be taken against the organizers. Anything less (equivocating, lip service or half-hearted action) would be interpreted as condoning those violent acts.

Finally, many governments in Muslim nations have been extremely helpful in investigating and combating terrorism and that is appreciated. However, the notion seems to not be shared by some influential people. I think you and I would agree that the reason most people of any creed do not steal or kill is not because of governments' laws prohibiting it it but because of the unwritten societal laws against it.

Regards,

Gregor
I think your question "Is irrationality and dogmatism the root cause of violence in the world?" would be a good one for this site. Have you proposed it to the editors?

I am in agreement with some of the more moderate and even-headed voices in here. Some good points have been made pointing toward a direction of evolution and healing of this weighty issue. Some lengthy vitriol has been spewed, serving only as further fuel for extremism. Extremism does not seem to exist well without a counterbalancing form of extremism. For instance islamic fundamentalists do not rise to more powerful positions socially without having an "evil" perpetrator to rally their flocks behind. Just as christian fundamentalists do not become powerful without having the support of millions of like-minded christians aligned against it's presumed "evil" perpetrator. The hate spewers, like our Frank Collins here, serve only to heat up hatred and fan the flames and fuel the fire of continuing fundamentalist friction between tribes. There is no healing there, and no change. Actions of turning in your neighbors, as JBE suggests, is interesting in that it is at it's root suggesting that 'peace-loving' adherants of a religion should stand up for what they believe instead of be silenced by their fear. It is just passing on the action to the police, but that is in support of maintainance of social laws then it is proper.
Mr. Fahmy makes some very good points, even if his perceptions may be skewed toward his preferences. Whose is not? He states: " Contributing to these tensions is the western assumption that somehow Islam, as a faith and as a way of life encourages or at least tolerates violence as a means of achieving political, spiritual or other objectives. This is in stark contrast to the prevailing view shared by one billion followers of Islam who see themselves as peaceful adherents of a great faith who have been the victims of western exploitation and domination over the years."
It must be as difficult to speak of generalizations of Islam as it is to speak of them referring to Christianity. I was raised with the belief that the fundamental tenets of christianity were it's compassion, forgiveness, and non-violence. Yet virtually every fundamentalist christian that I know or that I hear speaking at a pulpit have supported war in the middle east and talk in old testament violence and eye for an eye mentality. It must be the same in Islam. Islam DOES seem to tolerate violence as a means for achieving political and spiritual objectives, at least from the vantage of an untrained eye. Yet, christianity DOES likewise appear to accept violence as a means to the same ends. Just take the actions of our american President and the agreement of the majority of the american legislative bodies and populace in the lead up to and prosecution of the recent wars in the middle east.
Mr. Fahmy further blames western culture and civilization for domination and exploitation of Islam for years. Centuries is probably more accurate. This is a real problem that cannot be overstated. It is a fundamental fuel to the seething anti-americanism that is prevelant throughout the muslim world. The west HAS exploited these peoples for many years. This current conflict is that exploitation continuing again, initiated by the west. WE chose to intervene with violence and occupation. As we allow for and actively SUPPORT by our actions self-determination of these cultures we will begin to regain lost respect and regard for American priciples on the world stage. Peace, and moderation will be strengthened. Islamic extremism will be weakened.
Mr. Fahmy states: "Addressing this schism necessitates dispelling the myth that an entire faith can be so simplistically held responsible for the evils of terrorism and violence. Propagating such a fallacy serves no one. The crimes of crusaders should not be attributed to the core philosophy of Christianity just as the violence of modern day Muslim radicals should not be the term of reference for judging the Islamic faith."
We could blame the news outlets and media tendancies for the reasons that we get mostly the 'bad' news. We do not see or hear so many stories of the common people, islamic or christian of hindi, that are doing good in the world. We do have certain cultural conditioning. It must be up to us as individuals to self-regulate, and to be conscious and thoughtful in our determinations in life. Otherwise we could become the extremist spewing hateful rhetoric into life. And so just part of the problem.
Pace, peace, shalom, salaam, santih all mean the same thing...

WOW.. I am stunned. The silence of the Muslim world is ridiculous-- But what does anyone say about the Silence of the west on the atrocities commited in the name of freedom? Are they any less horrendous. If people kill in the name of religion, it is condemened and you all say-- "away w/ religion". Whan they kill in the name of democracy , you stay silent? Let me tell you all something. The Muslims accuse the west of the very thing you accuse them of. Why are the Americans so silent? The whole world knew Iraq war was wrong, but Americans were so keen to go in. The pics of dismembered bodies caused by suicide bombing are nothing compared to the amount of destruction caused by US. Can Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Fallujah, Baghdad, Afghanistan, Lebanon and so on be compared w/ the number of suicide killings? Oh ofcourse, We use the weapons of good destruction. We only destroy the guilty. You say they do not protest on suicide bombings, at least their leader offer some lip service of condemnation. What does this nation do, when the poor Muslims are bombed--maintain silence and offer silent support to the crooks in the White house. Did Bush not win a second term? And by teh way, for those quoting stuff from Quran, have you ever studied the Bible? or Torah? Those books appear far more Blood-thirsty. But as a a great priest said, "you need to consult a scholar when reading these verses and not jump to your own conclusion". As for Mr. hindu, please do not leave the crimes of Hindus out. Who is burning Christian alive in Goa.
Human beings become like animals even worse. Remember Rwanda where millions of Christians were killed by their fellow brothers and the rest of the Christian world looked the other way. This is quite recent folks...but ofcourse bashing Muslims keeps us away from looking at our own selves.

Problem is not one religion or another. It is the irrationality of the people who commit violence. And religions not only condone but encourage irrationality.

So the main question should have been: Is irrationality and dogmatism the root cause of violence in the world?

The question answers itself.

Religion should be relgated to the level of other human activities like, for example, entertainment or athletics. Nobody killed another person for not liking his favorite movies.

Banishment of religion from the current high status it enjoys will solve most of the problems that led the editors to pose this question.

...and please don't throw around words like "jihad" if you do not understand them. According to most Arabic scholars, jihad means conversion of the heart (to better follow Allah) and evangelization to the world. How is that different from our Christian imperative to convert our hearts in order to be more Christlike, and to bring the good news to the world? You people need to stop letting the extremists define the terms for you. Didn't you even read Fahmy's column?

Oops, maybe I belong on Post Global.
George, the example you give about the cab drivers is troubling.
It reminds me of the Illinois law that says Catholic pharmacists do not have to dispense birth control pills, or even refer women to a pharmacists who will. Also school boards who are elected to push a Christian religious view in science and health classes. Is it more oppressive to be denied alcohol in a taxicab than a legal prescription in a drugstore (sometimes the only one in a small town) or factual information in a high school?
I'm Catholic myself but it worries me.

To Pamela, Muslims are non-violent and peaceful? That is not a sane voice, it is F@#*ING INSANE! You gotto be kidding me. And giving STUPID numbers, like total number of muslims, what 1% of that is (Thank you very much, but we can do our maths, however complicated that is, and believe me, figuring out 1% of a number is rocket science), how many words are there in some crazy persons' post (though his msg is clear: majority of muslims are VIOLENT, RADICAL, FUNDAMENTALISTS out to convert or kill! ALL OF "THEM" SUFFERING FROM A MASS SCHIZOPHRENIA characterized by SEVERE PARANOIA & DELUSIONS OF PERSECUTION, not to mention A DISTINCT MEGALOMANIA AND DELUSIONS OF PERSECUTION!

To Mohamed MALLECK,
You say: "Who are the 'modern day Muslim radicals'? Since when did a critical mass of these radicals arise? Did the Governments of their countries of origin notice when these trends originally developed? Were there other supra-national or possibly even imperialist forces at work encouraging the formation of these radical groups"
So basically, BLAME IT on everything and everyone else (but you don't deny the violence and radicalism, the mindless killings and the fundamentalism...that is a start). Accepting mistakes/shortcomings is the first step to changing (for the good)! Just a small lesson in self improvement, nothing personal!

You also say: "We need, not a new Caliphate, not terrorism (whatever that term may mean),..."
Clearly you cannot be a true muslim, do you REALLY not know what terrorism is? Just see what majority of your brethren are doing (go to Middle East, Far East, Pakistan, Europe; look at some news articles over the past ten years). That's it, now you know. That wasn't so difficult, was it?

Though I try not to let my prejudices color my perceptions of individuals who are Muslim, I do not percieve Islam to be a peaceful religion. My negative perceptions come not only from acts of violence in the news, but the following:

There is much violence in the world of late related to Islamic extremism -- 9/11, Indonesian bombings, Darfur, Iraqi insurgents, etc. I have not often heard prominent clerics denouncing that violence. I have, however, heard Christian, Jewish, and ecumenical groups preaching peace.

A pillar of Islam is jihad. Though other faiths have certainly engaged in holy wars, they were perversions of their religions, not mandates of the faith.

I do not agree with the ethics of Islamic law or the other laws of Muslim countries. My primary disagreements have to do with the way women are treated. It saddens me to think that there are entire countries where women can't be professionals or even drive. It horrifies me to hear about honor killings or women who were raped being stoned to death. No other modern religion supports that garbage right now.

Though terrorists are in the minortiy of Muslims, there is no other one faith in the modern world that is currently turning out so many extremists -- from training camps in Pakistan, to insurgents in Iraq, to hate-preaching clerics all over the world. Yes, there have been nuts from Judeo-Christian backgrounds such as Jim Jones and David Koresh. However, they didn't have anywhere near as many followers as some violent Muslim clerics have and they didn't manage to kill as many poeople. Koresh and Jones also weren't preaching a religion that was anything like Christianity as it is accepted by most Christians.

My hopes for the western world's reconcilliation with Muslims are also dashed when I hear of how unyielding adherents of the faith can be -- the Autralian who wants a parallel court system to function based on Islamic law and the Muslims who want to control how their prophet is represented in art (as if there have never been offensive cartoons about other faith's prophets and gods).

Gregor
Good point.

I was reluctant to check back here this morning since this site crashed my internet link last time. Obviously Frank has not been following the advice (from me and from others) to post no more than he can type in by hand.

I am happy to see comments by an Egyptian Muslim. The American and British representatives of any position besides Christianity or secular humanism are by definition giving a minority view. This minority status gives them a markedly different perspective than someone who grew up and developed his attitudes in Egypt. Violence in any religion is closely linked to identity and politics.

It would be nice if Mr. Fahmy was able to talk about the governance of the various Arab and other Islamic-majority countries. Some of the posts here imply that those governments have been enablers of the kind of words and actions that he disavows...Sort of like how Bush favors the most inflammatory Christian rhetoric. Is there a politically successful way of standing up to the extremists without threatening the stability of an elected government?

Anyone who thinks Muslims are the peaceable "why can't all get along?" types, should look no further than Minneapolis, MN. First, the Somalis take over the taxi trade and then impose Quranic restrictions on passengers (No alcohol, no dogs, no pork).

Give them an inch and they'll take your mile. Under the pretext of their religious freedom, they'll take your civil liberties away from you--in your own country.

How many 'few' does it take to make a 'lot'?

Once again when people want to assert that Christianity is violent they pull a thousand year old event out of the closet, namely, the Crusades.

This so-called Muslim minority is comprised of millions of hate-filled devotees plus millions more cheering them on. They may be a minority, but they are a sizable one. Very few Muslims decry these people.

I'm sick of the political correctness. Islam is not a religion of peace. Can't we just acknowledge this already and stop debasing ourselves with lies?

The main problem with the Koran is simple: There is no interpreting allowed. What is says is exactly what it means....the Koran is verbatum the word of God, no human interpretation ever took place, nor ever will. That is a stark contrast to the Bible, which is not the word of God, but what people say and interpret is the word of God. Big difference. We know the Gospels were written by people...But Mohammad was little more than a scribe for God, jotting down what he was saying word for word.

The Hadiths are the closest thing in Islam to the the Gospels....however, nothing compares to the Koran itself.

My point being: If the Koran is verbatum the word of God, why are there so many contradictions? There are definitely some unambigiously peaceful words in there, no doubt. But there are also many unambigiously violent words in there as well. Which should the people pay attention to? Both are equally valid. The extremests have choosen to adhere to the violent aspects of the Koran....while most others have chosen to follow the peaceful aspects of it.....but are either really wrong when it is the exact word of God advocating both?

If 99% of muslims are not extremists then where are they? Who is it that is cheering in the streets at 9-11? Why does every "peaceful" muslim say "not in in the name of Islam, but you all brought it upon yourselves anyway." Where is the army of moderates combating these extremists? Islam allows evil men to find justification for their deeds in the words of their religious texts. There is something so wrong with that.

no gregor its not a religious war, and i dont buy your 100's of thousands statement.
when the stated purpose of the war is to force islam on the rest of us, we can figure out its religious, we can see that one.
and i have not been one of those that gets into a religious debate. i have only addressed the secular parts of islam, not the religious.
every religion thinks its the best and only way to paradise - ok maybe a few dont. no big deal. lots of religions want their people to only deal with others of their faith - no problem there. lots of religions want to hate others - ok you are getting close to the line, but again it their right.
the problem is the secularization of the religion, making it a civil authority as well as a religion and doing it by force. only islam REQUIRES THAT. other rligions have been spread that way, but not becasue the religion demanded it, but because those that were rulling at the time did it.
some popes of old - 500+ years ago, engaged in war, but not because christ commanded it. i will not get into others that have done it but were not commanded to.
the issue is not if the religion is wrong - its the commands of the religion to RULE THE PHYSICAL WORLD.
does that help you?

Oh, don't give me this "but we never killed people like this" hooey.

The US has been killing people and terrorizing the world for YEARS. The American Indians, for starters, the contras. Have we forgotten that we put Saddam, a brutal dictator, in power in the first place? Our enormous commercial power has allowed and is still allowing debt slavery from produce pickers to factory laborers to take place in other countries, because we want to consume consume consume. We're not a christian nation, we're a nation of buyers and eaters and polluters and complacency. We worship the dollar, we worship the Hummer, we worship Walmart.

We do not have the moral high ground, and never will if we continue on this path. Islam may need an awakening, but America needs one too!

Anon wrote: "Ok, I'm not trying to be mean, ... But, who are the Muslims we see on TV rioting and burning American flags? Are they part of the few extremists? I just get concerned about how many extremists there really are."

The few, the proud, the brave? ;)

Maybe Moslems don't speak up about violence in the name of Islam because they are afraid of mafia-like retaliation. It is a complicated web in which we are all trapped. A previous emailer said that the same argument could be made about Christianity, that just because we can cite many examples of Christian violence throughout history, does that make Christianity bad? Well, yes it does, doens't it? Christianity is hypocritical, as well. My main gripe with Islam is their categorization of all non-Islamic people as infidels. I hate that word. And the treatment of women is pretty bad. They can say that this mistreatment of women is their religion, but such a religion can hardly claim any credibility, with a modern educated person.

Frank:

Did you just liken the Bible to a history book? Yea, you just lost ALL credibility on this thread..........

This was the first time I have actually come in here to read the posts following one of the religion editorials, and I am pleasantly surprised. I'm an atheist. It really really heartens me to see someone like Frank pummel people with the truth of the problems with Islam.

The fact the list is huge is irrelevant. It is the sort of list that can't be ignored or simply waved away if one is going to have a serious discussion of islam. All of you who claim that he is misrepresenting islam has to deal with those lists in some fashin.

Clearly, saying that those events are the work of a few misguided souls, which is what the author of the post has said, is rendered utterly rediculous when you look at the list.

For those who try to wave the list away by saying one could do the same about Christianity, you have missed the point...it is certainly true Christianity has done evil things, but in 2007 it is very rare that Christians kill non Christians IN THE NAME OF CHRISTIANITY. It has evolved and learned to adapt.

Islam has not. And the very first comment nails the exact problem with Islam: Islam itself. Islam demands that any government be an islaminc one. The sharia, the laws in the Koran, are to be the laws that drive governance and not just daily living. This is why democracy is so atithetical to traditional Muslims. This will never change because it is such an inherent part of islam.

--Jeremy

I think religious debates are futile exercises, just as all religious activities are, but if we follow the logic of some of the posters above, since we do not see the majority of Americans crowding on the streets to protest the killing of thousands of innocents in Iraq in a war based on lies of our poltical leaders, are we to assume that Christianity, the majority religion of USA, is to blame for these deaths?

jeff, jeff, jeff, will you never learn?
the old testament is akin to a history book. it records wars, murder, conquest, incest, lots of things that actually took place. it even orders some to do certain things after a battle to the ones they fought with. it also sets out certain rules for jews to live by - 99% of which apply only to jews and involve ritural cleanliness. things like shell fish cant be eater or pork, how to wash your feet, and the 10 commandments and the like. what the old testament DOES NOT DO is to tell the jews to go out and murder anyone not jewish and to do it forever. it does not order the jews to convert non jews by the sword, and to do so as part of their religion. if anything it makes jews self contained, as a biblical nation, not as a political nation, which is a different matter. the new testament does not once have jesus murder anyone - oups - he did in a fig tree once - and never to kill another human being.
now look at the koran. it actually ORDERS islamics to ransom, torture and murder those that are not islamic and refuse to become islamic.
so if a christian or jew goes out and forces conversions - they violate the bible. if an islamic forces someone to be come islamic - they are comply with the koran.
do you see the difference jeff?
and dont give me that "few bad apples" thing. i have already posted over 1,000 incidents in 2005-2006 of islamic murdering FOR ISLAM, i wont repeat it.
the armenian genocide - ever hear of it - well you wont in turkey its against the law to mention it - where in 915-17 the islamic turks murdered over 2,000,000 christian armenians, destroying the nation.
and it goes on and on. its not a few bad apples, its the islamic way. its like hitler telling you he is a man of peace over and over. just because a lie if repeated does not turn it into truth.
islam is a religion that demands torture, slavery, murder and forced conversions. done ask me why, i dont know why, but i can read, i can read history and i can read the koran, so i know.
you see, while the globalazation of the world has opened up new paths for islamics to pass on their cult of murder, it has also made available to those that did not otherwise know, the path to read and understand that is what islam does. it is a large library, which islam cannot control, and which gives the west the ability to understand exactly what islam intends to do.
islam intends to rule the world.

The problem with numbers is this: 1.5 billion muslims worldwide. (give or take.)

take 1 % of that... what do you get. 15 million. That's a huge number, even though it is a tiny percentage. Even half that -- 7.5 million is a huge number. I doubt there are actually 7.5 million extremist jihadi radical Muslims bent on violence worldwide, so we're lokoing at percentages of less than 1/2 of 1 percent.

This is why it seems like violence and radicalism is so prevalent in the Muslim community. And why we say it is a tiny minority.

This perception is further compounded by the fact that some people (like Frank) take war situations and portray them as acts of unprovoked violence as though their perpetrators were walking down the streets of Albequerque or Syracuse rather than in the midst of a war our government initiated under false pretenses...

The sad thing is that when Muslims actually do stand up and say, not in our name, or this is not Islamic, we are told we can't do that by the very same folks who demand a reform in Islam. You can't beg for reform and then tell the reformers they are being inauthentic, but that is what those of us trying to promote the humane side of Islam encounter all the time.

That and 58,000 word manifestos (yes, I cut and pasted Franks "comments" in to word and did a word count). 137 pages in standard manuscript format -- an entire book passed off as a comment!

Anyway, thank you Ambassador for adding one more voice of sanity to the conversation.

Pamela

The posts by Glen and Caesar say it all. I do not see throngs of muslims protesting the suicide bombings. All I see are throngs calling for more of the same. Sad but until mankind can finally put religion (superstition and primitivism) to rest, we shall replay these ghastly situations over and over.

What would be the peaceful interpretation of: "Kill the idolaters wherever you find them, imprison them, besiege them, ambush them" Just curious.

Fahmy,

Moslems are judged by their deeds.
When you want to convert or put your best face to the world. You give quotation from the Koran when; Mo was in Mecca [his early years]. He spend most of his time convincing[peacefully] his tribe and the Jews to convert and accept him as a prophet. After few years in Median he changed, because he couldn’t convince the Jews. After that the Koran teaching is of rape pillage, murder.

So the game is. To convert people you recite the peaceful Mo years. Once convinced and converted to Islam they have to prove by following the second part of Koran, which deals with how to treat none believers ie holy war.

To claim few Moslems are extremist? That’s the biggest lie. The entire Moslem’s world survives on extremism.

How come all the Moslem’s countries from Bangladesh[not including India] to Turkey call themselves, Islamic countries.
Open all yours Islamic countries to freedom as we do. That is freedom of speech, freedom of press, freedom of all religions, common law for all citizen.

You terrorise the minorities in your countries. Murder them under some pretext.

How many Moslems protested about the Mo’s cartoons ?How many people were murdered?
Yet you say only minorities Moslems are extremist.

What do you call none Moslems. Pigs, donkeys, infidels, kafirs.. As if God gave the Moslems his land registry to his kingdom.

The difference is that the Crusades, like the Muslim invasion of Spain and the Balkans, ocurred hundreds of years ago. But Islamic extremists are committing terrorism now. And it's not just the tiny percentage who are terrorists, it's the much larger percentage in Arab countries who condone the terrorism, such as the mobs in Gaza who cheer the murders of Israeli and American civilians. Stop lecturing Americans about tolerance and understanding -- we already have freedom of religion here. Go tell the Arabs to try it as well.

And Islam -- in text -- is unambiguously violent. Muhammed preaches much that is tolerant in his book but he also clearly exhorts his followers to conquer in the name of religion and, in some cases, kill unbelievers who refuse to convert.

Islam needs a reformation. One that separates church and state.

In Iran, they just freed six men who killed anyone that they "thought" was offending the honor of Islam. In other words, no due process at all, just the subjective perceptions of the most zealous zealot are provide a license to kill.

I do judge Islam for this insult to human dignity and the rule of law.

I don't Judge Islam by Acts of a Few. The MAJORITY of Muslims do NOT speak UP, nor, STOP & OSTRACIZE their criminal, homicidal brethren, they are ENABLERS. I DO believe my lying eyes.

Mr. Fahmy,

Assalaamu-'Alaikum wa Rahmatu'-Allahi wa Barakatuhu!

You argue that the violence of modern day Muslim radicals should not be the terms of reference for judging the Islamic faith.

Who are the 'modern day Muslim radicals'? Since when did a critical mass of these radicals arise? Did the Governments of their countries of origin notice when these trends originally developed? Were there other supra-national or possibly even imperialist forces at work encouraging the formation of these radical groups possibly to harness their religious zeal or their greed or a combination of the two to, let say (but of course that is a supposition that is calumnious of the most enlightened country in the world), be cannon-fodder to drive the Soviets out of a strategically-located Muslim country that, additionally, would be instrumental in the geostrategic rivalries to control both the energy resources (gas and oil) of Central Asia, but also the pipelines to distribute these resources to consuming countries?
No, as you rightly point out, the principles of the Islamic creed are the exact opposite of violent, as the name itself implies (the root slm is generic for salaam-peace and islam--submission (unto the Will of God).
Where I take offense is your depiction as modern day Muslim radicals of activists against oppression and against the devilish instrumentation of the misery of some sections of Muslim society for evil imperialist purposes, and worse, with the complicity of compradores.
We need, not a new Caliphate, not terrorism (whatever that term may mean), not development aid, whether it is bona fide or disguised under what has recently been termed 'humanitarian imperialism', not predatory 'foreign investment', but dignity, a chance to forge our own destiny according to the values that are dear to us -- peace, no hedonism (it will especially not be tolerated any more in the post 9/11 world coming from our own rulers who each thinks he is Imam-ul-Mujahideen and Amir-ul Mu'mineen while living hedonistic and depraved lives), and dignity -- above all dignity that we can chart our own path to development, to modernity as distinct from Westernization, to prosperity and to communitarianism -- the 'asbiya that is equivalent to coopetition plus social and spiritual capital so characteristic of Muslim societies.
Suffering does not scare us -- but that does not make us thoughtless suicide bombers.

Was-salaam.

First They'll take Berlin and the World to follow.
Islam regards they have the right to Spain and France. Right now with about 8-10& of Moslems in France, the same number in London, the World will have to accustome itself to be dominated by Islam. Can we then keep our faith ? Don't bet on it.

One hopes that the Muslim world is as Amb. Fahmy describes. But the constant news reports from around the world of Muslims attacking Muslims and others is building a very different image. It is far past the time when the silent majority must not only speak out but take action. Money to radical violent groups must stop flowing. Organize demonstrations that will be seen on TV around the world. Stop the teaching of hate in your schools and denying that it takes place. Yes, Christianity once behaved badly and was taken to a horrible low point during WWII. But it realized the terrible path it had taken and through Vatican II and the hard work of many lay and Church leaders in all denominations changed the course of the religion. It is LONG past the time for the believers of Islam to take the same hard stand to save their faith.

Here's the problem.

In the west if we see a terrorist (Tim McVeigh, the Unibomber Ted Kazinski for examples) we put them in jail or kill them while hunting them down.

In the muslim world you say "its not all of us and besides you've been dominating us unfairly" and then do nothing.

I have muslims in my immediate family who are good americans, good muslims, honest people, hard working, brilliant, loving, and sincere. They also make excuses for Hezbollah saying Nasrallah was "tricked" into attacking israel, kidnapping a soldier and launching 100 rockets into civillian neighborhoods in a single day. While I think the occupation is entirely Israels problem to fix, Nasrallah is a murderous liar and anathma to Allah's peaceful desires for us.

Stop making excuses, condemn violence and killing in the name of Allah... AND THEN TURN ON THE KILLERS - YES YOUR NEIGHBORS- THAT YOU KNOW ARE DOING THE EVIL IN THE NAME OF ALLAH.

When I meet a criminal I turn them in to the authorities and send them to jail. Every time. And no, I don't ask which party they belong to or religion they practice before I turn them in.

ALL GOOD AND TRUE MUSLIMS MUST SPEAK OUT LOUDER THAN THE KILLERS IN THEIR MIDST OR THEY ARE CONSIDERED TO BE IN TACIT APPROVAL OF THE KILLING BY THE REST OF THE ENTIRE WORLD.

Here's the problem.

In the west if we see a terrorist (Tim McVeigh, the Unibomber Ted Kazinski for examples) we put them in jail or kill them while hunting them down.

In the muslim world you say "its not all of us and besides you've been dominating us unfairly" and then do nothing.

I have muslims in my immediate family who are good americans, good muslims, honest people, hard working, brilliant, loving, and sincere. They also make excuses for Hezbollah saying Nasrallah was "tricked" into attacking israel, kidnapping a soldier and launching 100 rockets into civillian neighborhoods in a single day. While I think the occupation is entirely Israels problem to fix, Nasrallah is a murderous liar and anathma to Allah's peaceful desires for us.

Stop making excuses, condemn violence and killing in the name of Allah... AND THEN TURN ON THE KILLERS - YES YOUR NEIGHBORS- THAT YOU KNOW ARE DOING THE EVIL IN THE NAME OF ALLAH.

When I meet a criminal I turn them in to the authorities and send them to jail. Every time. And no, I don't ask which party they belong to or religion they practice before I turn them in.

Boy...this is a new definition on the term `Crusaders` If I remember correctly from my History, the Crusaders didn`t maim and kill their own daily for the cause, did they?

I think the Muslims should have killed more Hindu's, what a waste of human flesh those people are and they smell funny too.

May be the very concept of organized religion needs to be re-examined. People of course should be allowed to believe in whatever they want, just as they can find pleasure in whatever books they want to read or whatever movies they want to watch. But the state should not support religion of any form. History has given us ample evidence that organized religion causes more troubles that it's worth, and it encourages people to be irrational in thought, dogmatic in belief, and infantile if not evil in action.

What Mr. Collins fails to realize is that anyone could selectively go through the Bible and find passages that showJudaism and Christianity in a bad light, just as he has done with the Quran. Does the fact that Protestants and Catholics have spent decades killing each other in Northern Ireland invalidate all the teachings of Christianity? Certainly not. Mr. Collins exhibits the same intolerance of which he accuses all Muslims.

religion of peace (TM) eh? Funny how they keep killing people, eh? real peaceful, huh?

Frank please save your laundry list of violence. would you be swayed that christianity is a barabaric religion by a laundry list of atrocities from the old testament? from the occupation army in iraq? (i.e. HADITHA) Of course not.
This is the worst kind of hipocrisy, displays a shocking one-sidedness and is essentially bigotry.

As a Hindu, I concur with Rebel and also take note of the "lumping of Xtians and Jews" with Hindus in Frank's post. Both Muslims and Christians have a history of blood and forced conversion on their hands, albeit the Xtians are less violent in their modern day approach. Islam IS a religion of violence and subjugation (most notably of their own women). Frank's post is relevent in its length - The world should know that the "few" in Islam are really those who are trying to work for change.

i speak on my own behalf, and no one elses.
yes i make the same points each time, but i hardly think my few weeks compares with 1400 years of islamic lies, torture, murder and forced conversions.
i must be making headway because no one seems to attack the figures or the koran, its now personal against me. but i dont care.
as long as islamics put the same lies out, i will counter them with facts. and i have an entirely new set. the koran does not change, and for my part i have been very limited in those statements. there are many more islamic statements of hate and murder in the koran than I have recited here.
there are many more instances of islamic murder and torture than i have laid out here.
and we are not tlaking about lightning, we are talking about islamics who will smile and tell you how peaceful they are, while they plan to kill you.
there is a constant 1400 years history of islam being spread by the sword and all of a sudden we are to fall for that "religion of peace" lie? come on, we did not just fall off the turnip truck.
when islamics finally tell the truth, that they have spent 1400 years forcing islam on others, that the koran demands that they do it that way, and that they will continue to do it that way, in order to fulfill their obligaions under the koran, then i will not have to keep reminding people of the truth.
until then my voice will not be silent. i will not be the who allowed bad people to spread without warning those that might fall for their lies.
and yes i know a lot of islamics. i have korans perswonally signed by prior islamic nation ministers. i have been studying the koran since the 60's, thats almost 50 years. i have been reading the deeds of islam almost as long.
go bs someone else, i know the truth and if i make one person look at history outside the propoganda of islam, read one history book, look at current islamic events, then i will know i did something of great value with my life.

You know, I tip-toed in here today to cancel my account with the Post. There is no way (at least not an obvious way) to do so. I would find a Hearst paper more credible at this point.

I was surprised to see the posting by Mr Fahmy, a new voice for the Muslim side of the debate. Thank you sir, for your post.

Gee, what a surprise! There's Frank, straight away, with more garbage. Not even NEW garbage...thanks for clogging the pipes!

Frank,

I would ask if I can be "frank", but I would rather just be candid now.

I could scour the internet and compile all the instances of people being struck by lightning, or eaten alive by alligators/crocodiles and it would suddenly appear that it happens constantly.

However, the odds of you (well, normal people) being struck by lightning are on a level with the odds you will win the lottery.

You've been making the same point for weeks now, and I think everyone gets it. It's old and stale. Your adamant unwillingness to engage in an actual civil debate only proves to me that your OPINIONS are pre-determined and that you only seek information that supports your ignorant preconceived bias.

That is not scholarship.

Ms. Taylor, Mr. Esposito, and Mr. Fahmy provide credentials as to why they are qualified to speak, as they do, on the subject at hand.

You do not. You accuse them of all manner of things, lecture, and insult. That is the way extremists behave. A bit hypocriitical, wouldn't you say?

Are you speaking on behalf of someone? I am a Christian, Catholic, American, and many other things, but you certainly are not speaking on MY behalf. For that matter, you aren't speaknig for anyone I actually know. Outside of cyber-space, you are like those idiots downtown that we cross the BOULEVARD to avoid!

The only thing you should really be throwing out here, is a bottle with a note in it that says; SOS. You really could use some help.

Ok, I'm not trying to be mean, or argumentative at all; I have a genuine question. I understand when I see the Muslims write in here that we shouldn't base our perceptions of all Muslims on what we see of the few extremists. I do get that. But, who are the Muslims we see on TV rioting and burning American flags? Are they part of the few extremists? I just get concerned about how many extremists there really are.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2005.htm
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2006.htm
there are times when a link does not get the message out, especially when there are arguments that there is no or just a small amount of violence.
but enough said on that. its been posted. notice that shuts down the arguemnt that there is no current violence.

Frank:

Seriously, at least put the list in a link or something. That crap is slowing the page and is more of an eyesoar than anything else. GEEZ!.

Never wanted to slap someone more than I do right now...........

As an Indian and a Hindu who has not even harmed a fly in his life let me tell you first hand hand how these bastard muslims destroyed our golden bird nation in 500 years. Our best universities like Nalanda and takshshila comparable to harvards and whartons of today were raised to ground.Our people were enslaved and sold in central asian markets like dogs . The mountain range Hindu Kush in Afghanistan literaly means blood of Hindus because millions of Hindus were slaughtered there and after satiating their thirst and ruling us for 600 years and pushing us to dark ages these muslims partitioned our nation into 3 parts. India will never rise but remember America you are the golden bird of todays age. Nalandas and Takshshilas will never come back but Harvards and Whartons still remain. These Muslims are now targetting America with their bloodlust just as they targetted India but America is not India of 12th century - prosperous but militarily weak.America use your military force to defend yourself.

there are a lot of people who call themselves christians that have done some pretty vile things. but the difference is that when they do them they go against the teachings of christ and when an islamic does them, they are following the teachings of islam.
its been hundreds of years since there were religious christian wars, but they still happen today under islam.
and does it make islam better today because in the past christians have been evil?
so just quit lying and trying to turn islam into this happy peace loving religion. admit that it is evil, and publically denounce those portions of the koran that require hate and murder, and spreading islam via the sword. but you cant do that, becasue if you do you get hundreds of millions of islamics in the streets calling you a traitor to islam, and issuing death threats, becasue it is the right of the islamic to hate and murder and spread islam with violence.
you all rioted when the current pope quoted an 11th century pope who called evil the islamic demand that islam be spread with violence. hey, that was only last year islamics were still demanding their right to kill to spread islam.
and when movies are made about islam, and islamics feel they insult islam [an islamic phrase meaning YOU TOLD THE WORLD THE TRUTH AND WE ARE PISSED] they murder them in the streets.
hey, here is the stats for 2005. more love and peace from islam.

" The List " of Islamic Terror Attacks in 2005
DateCountryCityKilledInjuredDescription
12/31/05PakistanRawalpindi20Islamic fundamentalists kill a 23-year-old
Christian and his Muslim girlfriend because their relationship was against
Sharia.
12/31/05ChechnyaGrozny52Two civilians and a child are among five killed
when Islamic militants attack a security patrol.
12/31/05IndiaPulwama11The Mujahideen invade a home and open fire on the
residents, killing the father and injuring another family member.
12/31/05IndonesiaSulawesi845Eight Christians are killed when Islamists
bomb a market selling pork at a time when it is packed with shoppers. The
bomb was packed with nails.
12/31/05IraqKhalis52Five civilians die in a bombing attack on their
vehicle.
12/30/05IraqBaghdad623Terrorists use mortars to kill six civilians near a
coffee shop.
12/30/05ThailandYala11Muslim extremists shoot a retired teacher to death
as he is jogging along a road with his brother.
12/30/05AfghanistanMaywand11The Taliban ambush a vehicle on a remote road,
killing a passenger.
12/30/05AfghanistanHazar Joft47Religious extremists use a bomb to kill
four policemen and injure seven.
12/30/05PakistanKhuzdar20Two security force members are gunned down in
their car.
12/30/05IraqBaghdad90Islamic extremists kill nine people in a drive-by
shooting, because the victims were drinking alcohol in public.
12/30/05IndiaPoonch11The Mujahideen kill a police officer in a shooting
ambush on a city street.
12/30/05PakistanGago Mandi30A father slits the throats of his three
daughters after learning that at least one was 'dishonored' by adultery.
12/29/05PakistanMir Ali10al-Qaeda militants open fire on a restaurant,
killing a Pakistani soldier.
12/29/05IsraelTulkarm510A suicide bomber exits a taxi and detonates an
explosives belt, killing an Israeli and four other Palestinians, including
the taxi driver. Islamic Jihad takes credit.
12/29/05IraqLatifiya110Eleven members of a Shiite family are massacred by
six Sunnis, who invade their home and slit the throats of all, including
children.
12/29/05ThailandNarathiwat10A civilian shot and killed by Muslim
terrorists in his home while eating dinner.
12/29/05IraqBaghdad45Four Iraqi policemen are killed by a Fedayeen suicide
bomber.
12/29/05PakistanMiranshah10A local tribal leader is abducted by militant
Muslims, who then slash his throat.
12/28/05ThailandNarathiwat10A village headsman is gunned down by
Islamists.
12/28/05ThailandYala10A civilian is shot and killed by Muslim gunmen.
12/28/05IraqHilla40Two girls and their parents are stabbed to death by
Allah's holy warriors.
12/28/05IndiaBangalore14Lashkar-e-Taiba suspected in a campus attack on a
university professor and four others.
12/28/05AfghanistanKunar22Two people, including a civilian, are killed
when the Taliban ambush a military convoy.
12/27/05Saudi ArabiaBuraydah50Five Saudi policemen are killed in two
drive-by shooting attacks by an Islamic fundamentalists.
12/27/05IraqJbala40Four residents are killed in their homes by terrorists.
12/27/05ThailandNarathiwat10A Buddhist villager is shot off the back of
his motorcycle by Muslim gunmen.
12/27/05IraqAsriya40Islamic insurgents attack a poultry farm, killing four
Iraqi workers.
12/26/05ThailandNarathiwat10An innocent villager is murdered by Islamists.
12/26/05SudanKulbus2013Suspected Arab militias attack a village, killing
twenty people.
12/26/05IraqBuhriz54al-Qaeda slaughters five policemen at a checkpoint
with rockets and mortars from point-blank range.
12/26/05DagestanMakhachkala20Two people are gunned down by Jihadis in
their car.
12/26/05IndiaHiynan10The body of a civilian that had been abducted by
Islamists is recovered.
12/26/05IraqBaghdad1138Five separate bombings kill eight civilians as
three bodies are found bound and executed.
12/26/05IraqDhabab50Five Iraqi soldiers are killed in a coordinated terror
attack.
12/25/05IraqKirkuk27Two civilians are killed by a terrorist car bombing.
12/25/05ThailandRaman20Two members of the Buddhist minority are shot to
death by Muslim militants on a road.
12/25/05ThailandBannag Sata11A man is killed and a woman seriously injured
by Islamic gunmen while riding a motorcycle.
12/24/05PakistanTank10Islamists kill the nephew of a pro-government leader
at a market.
12/24/05ThailandNarathiwat10A 46-year-old school guard is cut down in a
hail of automatic weapons fire from Muslim extremists.
12/24/05IraqBaghdad140Seven civilians are gunned down by Jihadis in three
separate attacks, while the bodies of seven others are found bound and
executed.
12/24/05AlgeriaBoumerdes313The Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat
blows up a coast guard boat, killing three innocents.
12/24/05ThailandNarathiwat10A Buddhist civilian is shot to death by Muslim
radicals.
12/24/05BangladeshRajshahi10Radicals murder a university professor out for
a morning walk.
12/23/05IraqBalad Ruz104A suicidal Sunni on a bicycle rides it up to a
Shia mosque and detonates, killing ten innocents.
12/23/05ChechnyaGrozny94The lives of nine people are cut short by
Mujahideen terrorists in three attacks over 24 hours.
12/23/05IraqAdhaim817Eight Iraqi policemen are massacred when Jihadis open
up on their checkpoint with rockets and automatic weapons.
12/23/05ThailandNarathiwat07Islamists car-bomb a tea shop, injuring at
least seven people.
12/22/05IndiaSopore23Al-Mansooran claims responsibility for a grenade
attack that kills one person. Elsewhere (Guloora Handwara) a civilian is
shot to death.
12/22/05IraqBaghdad46Jihadis murder four policemen at a checkpoint with a
barrage of automatic weapons fire. Six others are injured.
12/22/05IraqBaghdad23Two foreign civilians are killed in an IED terror
attack.
12/22/05IraqIskandariya41Sunni gunmen rake a passenger bus with
machine-guns, killing at least four civilians.
12/22/05PakistanMiranshah20Two more bullet-ridden victims of Islamic
seminary students calling themselves the Taliban are found in a stream.
12/21/05ThailandYala10Muslim radicals shoot a 55-year-old Buddhist to
death as he is working in his orchard.
12/21/05ThailandNarathiwat10Muslims behead a Buddhist civilian.
12/21/05PakistanWana31Religious fundamentalists kill three men at a
barbershop.
12/21/05PakistanWana10A man is abducted and beheaded by the local Taliban.
12/21/05ThailandNarathiwat10A farmer is shot to death by Islamic
terrorists.
12/21/05ThailandYala10A 42-year-old man is gunned down by Islamists while
walking home from work.
12/20/05AfghanistanKabul30Three Afghan soldiers are killed in an ambush by
religious extremists.
12/19/05SudanAbu Surooj2016Arab militias kill at least twenty villagers,
including an elderly man, three women and two children.
12/19/05PakistanMiranshah10The Taliban abduct and behead a man, then hang
his body from a pole while throwing the head into a cemetery.
12/19/05IraqBaghdad211A suicidal religious extremist kills two people
outside a children's hospital with a bomb.
12/19/05IraqBaghdad33Three bodyguards of a politician are killed in a
Jihad ambush on their car.
12/18/05IraqBaghdad32A terrorist's roadside bomb kills two police officers
and injures two.
12/18/05IraqBaghdad613Three attacks, including a Fedayeen bombing, leave
four innocents dead and thirteen injured. The bodies of two people are
recovered elsewhere.
12/17/05AfghanistanLashkargah20The Taliban murder an 18-year-old student
and a school guard with automatic weapons.
12/17/05AfghanistanAkhundkariz30Three policemen are killed when religious
extremists storm a checkpoint.
12/17/05IraqBalad Ruz31A barbershop attack by fundamentalists leaves three
dead and one injured.
12/16/05IndiaKulgam10A woman is shot to death by Islamic militants.
12/16/05ThailandPattani10A man is murdered by Islamists as he is walking
home from evening exercises.
12/16/05ThailandYala10Islamists murder a civilian.
12/16/05AfghanistanKabul22Two passersby are killed by a Fedayeen suicide
car bomber. Two others are injured.
12/16/05IndiaJamia Mohalla11The Mujahideen open fire on a group of
civilians, killing one and injuring another.
12/16/05IraqParwana52Four children playing soccer are among five killed by
Islamic insurgents mortaring a schoolyard. Two other children are injured.
12/16/05IndiaBaramulla20Two civilians die in separate incidents. One is
kidnapped and murdered, the other is killed with a grenade.
12/16/05IndiaMohalla Jamia20The Mujahideen kills two villagers near their
home.
12/16/05IsraelHebron11al-Aqsa fires on a passenger car carrying Israeli
civilians, killing a 35-year-old man.
12/15/05AfghanistanNad Ali10The Taliban drag a teacher out of his
classroom and kill him for teaching girls. He had ignored previous
warnings.
12/15/05IraqMosul17A polling station guard is killed when militants toss a
grenade from a motorcycle.
12/14/05AfghanistanAndar20Two civilians are kidnapped and killed by
religious extremists.
12/14/05IndiaTanta10A student who refused to join the Mujahideen is
kidnapped and shot to death.
12/14/05AfghanistanKandahar10A pro-government cleric is assassinated by
the Taliban as he is riding to work.
12/13/05IraqRamadi10An election candidate is gunned down by Jihadis while
waiting for gas at a station.
12/13/05PakistanBalochistan10A hotel owner is killed in a sectarian
attack.
12/13/05IndiaKashreyan10The Mujahideen gun down a civilian near his home.
12/13/05PakistanDera Bugti36Three members of a family, including a child,
are killed when al-Qaeda-backed militants attack their home with a dozen
rockets.
12/13/05PhilippinesPatikul211Two Filipino soldiers are killed in a
gunfight with Abu Sayyaf militants.
12/13/05IraqBaghdad40Four American soldiers are killed in a roadside
terror attack while in transport.
12/12/05LebanonMkalles430Christian reporter is assassinated by a car
bombing that kills three other people. Thirty innocents are injured in the
blast.
12/12/05IraqBaghdad1031Three Jihad attacks kill six people and the bodies
of four abductees are discovered.
12/11/05IraqBaiji21Sunni gunmen attack a car carrying off-duty Iraqi
soldiers, killing two.
12/11/05IndiaChandilora10A shopowner is killed in his place of business by
Muslim terrorists.
12/10/05IraqTikrit10An Egyptian man working to build a medical clinic is
kidnapped and murdered by Islamic insurgents.
12/10/05PakistanNorth Waziristan20The Taliban kill two more people,
decapitating them and hanging their bodies upside down from pylons.
12/10/05IraqMosul21Terrorists kill two civilians with a roadside bomb.
12/10/05IraqMosul11Two campaign workers are shot while hanging posters.
12/10/05AfghanistanNazarjusth76Seven policemen are killed when religious
extremists stage an assault on their compound.
12/9/05ThailandNarathiwat20A Buddhist husband and wife are brutally
murdered by radical Muslims.
12/9/05IraqBaghdad30Two men are killed by Islamic insurgents. The body of
a kidnapped intelligence officer is found in Balad.
12/9/05AfghanistanZabul12The Taliban attack a remote checkpoint, killing a
policeman and injuring two others.
12/8/05IndiaGandoh10A security guard at a civilian residence is shot and
killed at point blank range by a Muslim terrorist.
12/8/05BangladeshGangni110Bombing at a traffic crossing kills one person
and leaves ten others injured.
12/8/05IsraelKalandiya10A 20-year-old Israeli soldier is fatally stabbed
in the neck by an al-Aqsa terrorist at a point of entry.
12/8/05IraqBaghdad10The Islamic Army of Iraq claims to have executed an
unarmed American civilian abducted earlier.
12/8/05IraqBaghdad3244A 'Holy Warrior' blows apart more than thirty
passengers on a packed bus, including women and children, as they are
prepared to travel home for the weekend.
12/8/05PakistanJandola1240Twelve people are killed when a planted bomb
rips through a hotel restaurant. Forty others are injured.
12/8/05BangladeshNetrakona6100A Jamaatul Mujahideen Bangladesh suicide
bomber kills six people working in a Communist Party office.
12/8/05AfghanistanKhost41Two civilians are among four people reported
killed by the Taliban.
12/8/05AfghanistanHelmand12Taliban extremists attack a police patrol,
killing one officer.
12/7/05IraqKirkuk35Three hospital guards are gunned down on the job by
terrorists.
12/7/05IngushetiaNazran09Nine Russians manning a checkpoint are injured
when Jihad gunmen open fire.
12/6/05IraqBaghdad320Three people at a café are murdered by a Fedayeen
suicide bomber. Twenty other patrons are injured.
12/6/05IraqFallujah90Nine bodies of civilians are found, bound and
executed.
12/6/05IraqBaghdad4373Two al-Qaeda suicide bombers walk into separate
classrooms at a police academy and slaughter more than forty students.
Over seventy others are injured.
12/6/05IraqShorkat30Jihadis gun down three employees of an Iraqi oil
company as they are driving home.
12/6/05PakistanWana20Two Pakistani soldiers are kidnapped and beheaded by
Islamic fundamentalists.
12/6/05PakistanMiranshah70The Taliban kill seven tribesmen in their homes,
later mutilating and hanging the bodies from utility poles.
12/6/05ThailandPattani10A man is murdered in front of his family by
Islamic terrorists.
12/6/05ThailandNarathiwat10A cleric is gunned down by Islamists on a
motorcycle.
12/5/05AfghanistanMarja32Two civilians are among three dead in a drive-by
Taliban shooting.
12/5/05IsraelNetanya547Five Israelis are murdered at the entrance to a
shopping mall by a bomber from the militant group, 'Islamic Jihad'.
12/5/05IraqRutba110The bodies of eleven civilians are found, bound and
executed.
12/5/05IndiaNambalhar11A civilian is killed in a Mujahideen attack.
12/5/05ThailandPattani10Religious extremists kill a school janitor walking
home from work.
12/5/05PakistanKarachi10A Sunni cleric is killed in a sectarian attack
while buying food at a store.
12/4/05PakistanShakai10al-Qaeda backed militants kill a Pakistani soldier.
12/4/05AfghanistanKandahar12A civilian is killed by a suicide bomber. Two
others are injured.
12/4/05IraqBaghdad326Two civilians are killed by a bomb planted under a
car on a city street. Elsewhere in the city, a Shiite cleric is gunned
down.
12/4/05EgyptCairo10Christian pastor killed following threats.
12/3/05IraqAdhaim192Iraqi soldiers are ambushed by terrorists while in
transport. Nineteen are killed.
12/2/05PakistanBalochistan10A Sunni group, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, takes credit
for killing a Shia cleric in front of his home.
12/2/05AfghanistanShah Wali Kot33A district chief is killed in a Taliban
roadside bombing along with two other Afghans.
12/2/05IraqFallujah1011Ten U.S. Marines are senselessly killed by Islamic
terrorists in a bombing attack on a courtyard.
12/2/05IndiaKaram Katha10A man is kidnapped and murdered by the
Mujahideen.
12/2/05ThailandNarathiwat10A village headsman is gunned down by Islamic
radicals.
12/2/05AfghanistanHelmand15A Taliban ambush on a police vehicle leaves one
officer dead.
12/2/05IndiaPattan10Islamic militants shoot a teacher to death by the side
of the road.
12/2/05IndiaChuntimulla10The Mujahideen enter the house of a widow and
shoot her to death.
12/1/05ThailandYala11Two Buddhist villagers are shot at by Muslim
militants, one of whom succumbs to injury.
12/1/05IraqRutba50The bodies of four men, bound and executed, are found.
In Basra, radicals kill an Iraqi translator.
12/1/05IndiaChalli Dangri20Two boys are killed by a landmine planted by
Islamic militants.
12/1/05BangladeshGazipur230An Islamist straps a bomb to his leg then
detonates it in a DA's office, killing two other people.
12/1/05PakistanMiranshah20Two innocent victims of a bomb-making cell are a
teenage student and a 5-year-old boy.
12/1/05IraqZaghneya10A Shiite leader is killed in a sectarian drive-by
attack.
11/30/05IraqBaqubah92Jihad gunmen open up on a minibus with assault
weapons, killing nine farm workers as they are boarding.
11/30/05ThailandNarathiwat10A 33-year-old Buddhist is gunned down by
Islamic militants.
11/30/05ThailandYala10Muslims kill a 40-year-old Buddhist man as he is on
his way to tend cattle.
11/29/05ChechnyaAvtury20Jihadis enter a house and murder a man and his
son.
11/29/05IraqMosul21Two Christians are gunned down by Muslim militants as
they are hanging campaign posters.
11/29/05BangladeshGazipur550Jamaatul Mujahideen suicide bomber at a law
library kills at least five others and injures over fifty.
11/29/05BangladeshChittagong216A suicide bombing at a courthouse
checkpoint kills at least two people.
11/29/05ThailandNarathiwat11A man is shot off the back of his motorcycle
by Muslim radicals.
11/28/05YemenSadah80Radical Shiites kill eight policemen in a series of
attacks.
11/28/05IraqAbu Ghraib40Four men, including a legislator are shot to death
in a brutal Jihadi assassination.
11/28/05IndiaBandipore20Jamiat-ul-Mujahideen terrorists stop a car
carrying a local official then execute him and his cousin.
11/28/05ChechnyaPamyatoi10Government official is assassinated by Jihadis
in an ambush on his vehicle.
11/28/05IraqBaghdad33Three British citizens are murdered when a bus
carrying Shia pilgrims is attacked by Sunnis.
11/27/05IraqRustomia70Seven bodies are discovered over a 24-hour period.
11/27/05IraqBaqubah21Roadside bomb kills a civilian. In Hawija, Islamists
kidnap and behead a former Army cook.
11/27/05IraqBaghdad24Islamic gunmen shoot two members of a pro-government
news channel to death. Four others are injured.
11/27/05ThailandNarathiwat10A husband is gunned down in front of his wife
in an attack by Islamic extremists.
11/26/05IraqSamarrah612A Fedayeen suicide bomber drives his
explosives-laden pickup truck into a crowded gas station, incinerating six
innocents.
11/26/05ThailandNarathiwat10Muslim terrorists shoot a man to death in his
rice paddy.
11/26/05AfghanistanHelmand10A civilian is gunned down by the Taliban.
11/26/05IraqBaghdad40Four civilians are killed by Islamic terrorists in a
car bomb attack.
11/26/05IraqBaghdad13An election worker is killed while hanging campaign
posters.
11/26/05AfghanistanSharana10A government official is killed by a sustained
Taliban rocket attack on public buildings.
11/25/05IndiaHandwara10A civilian is gunned down by the Mujahideen.
11/25/05IraqHawija40In a brutal attack, Jihadis ambush and kill two
off-duty Iraqi soldiers and their wives.
11/25/05AfghanistanMazar-e-Sharif13A Swedish peacekeeper dies in a bomb
attack.
11/24/05IraqHilla1117Terrorists target patrons at a soft drink stand with
a car bomb, killing eleven and injuring seventeen.
11/24/05ThailandPattani10A 42-year-old man is gunned down by Islamists on
his way to work.
11/24/05IraqBaghdad40An attempted ambush assassination by Jihadis leaves
four innocents dead.
11/24/05AfghanistanKhogyani22A bomb hidden in a car kills two people and
injures two others.
11/24/05IraqBaghdad40Four policemen are killed by radical Sunnis while on
patrol.
11/24/05IraqMahmoudiya3035Women and children are amply represented among
more than thirty people blown to bits by a "Holy Warrior" suicide bomber
near a hospital.
11/24/05IndiaSurankote22Muslim militants throw a grenade into a family's
house, killing a 3-year-old girl and her sister.
11/24/05ThailandNarathiwat14Islamic militants spray a tea shop with
automatic weapons, killing a patron and injuring four others.
11/23/05IndiaAshminder Pulwama10The Mujahideen abduct a man from his home
and strangle him.
11/23/05IndiaSrinagar34Three policemen are killed in a Fedayeen grenade
and small arms attack on a former cinema used as a security post in a
downtown area.
11/23/05IndiaDoda10A civilian who was injured in a terrorist ambush a few
days earlier, succumbs to his injuries.
11/23/05IraqBaqubah11A civilian is killed in a roadside terrorist bombing.
11/23/05AfghanistanNimroz10The Taliban behead an Indian engineer that was
captured the week before.
11/23/05PhilippinesSulu12A Philippine solider is killed by Abu Sayyaf.
11/23/05AfghanistanCharchino30Three unarmed policemen are gunned down with
Kalashnikovs while walking home after work.
11/23/05ThailandNarathiwat10A 4-year-old child is shot to death by Muslim
extremists.
11/23/05IraqBaghdad50A pro-election sheik, his three sons, and a
son-in-law are killed by radicals, who invade the home in the middle of
the night to shoot the victims.
11/22/05IraqKirkuk1828Jihadis kill eighteen innocents in a suicide
bombing, including four policemen who were lured to the scene after the
gunmen injured one of their own as bait.
11/22/05ThailandNarathiwat11A man is killed in his home by Muslim
militants, who also shoot his wife to keep her from getting help.
11/22/05ThailandYala10A village chief is shot eight times by Muslim
militants as he returns home.
11/22/05IranGonbad-e-Kavus10A Muslim convert to Christianity is stabbed to
death by radical Islamists after being abducted from his home.
11/21/05IraqBaghdad40Four Christian women are killed when gunmen storm
their home in the middle of the night.
11/21/05IraqKanaan514Roadside terrorist blast kills five civilians and
injures fourteen others.
11/21/05IsraelMetulla012Eleven Israeli soldiers and one civilian are
injured by a Hezbollah attack in northern Israel.
11/21/05IndiaSopore11A Muslim extremist shoots a man to death in a
residential area, then lobs a grenade at another house, injuring a woman.
11/21/05IndiaSrinagar010Ten people, including eight civilians, are injured
in a Mujahideen grenade attack on a city street.
11/21/05ThailandYala32Armed Muslim extremists rampage though a Buddhist
village, killing at least three residents.
11/20/05ThailandSungai Kolok012Twelve people, including a 2-year-old boy,
are injured by two bombs at a market. One was hidden in a fruit basket.
11/20/05IraqBaiji55Five U.S. soldiers are killed in two terrorist bombings
while in routine transport.
11/20/05ThailandNarathiwat03Islamic gunmen attempt to kill three people,
including a pregnant milk vendor in drive-bys.
11/20/05IraqBasra14Terrorists kill a British soldier in a roadside bombing
attack.
11/19/05IraqAbu Saida3650A suicide car bomber blows himself to Allah after
plowing in a Shia funeral procession. Thirty-six innocents are killed and
at least fifty others injured.
11/19/05IraqBaghdad1321A car bombing at a popular market leaves thirteen
shoppers dead and at least fifteen others injured.
11/19/05IndonesiaPalu02Christian couple shot by radical Muslims while on
their way to church.
11/19/05AfghanistanHelmand30The Taliban blow-up a vehicle carrying three
Afghans..
11/19/05ChechnyaChechen-Aul10A civilian is kidnapped and murdered by the
Mujahideen.
11/19/05IraqHaditha150A bombing and shooting ambush by Jihad fighters
leaves fifteen civilians dead and an unknown number wounded.
11/18/05IraqKhanaqin7485Seventy-four worshippers at two Shia mosques are
slaughtered by two Sunni suicide bombers. At least eighty others are
injured amidst the carnage.
11/18/05IraqBaghdad840Two synchronized suicide car bombs near a hotel kill
at least eight people and injure about forty.
11/18/05AfghanistanKabul13A Portuguese peacekeeper is killed in a Taliban
landmine attack on his vehicle.
11/18/05IndonesiaPalu11Machete-wielders attack and nearly decapitate a
23-year-old cosmetics salesgirl. Her 20-year-old companion's left arm is
nearly hacked off as well.
11/17/05IraqBaghdad10Jihad gunmen kill a doctor inside his clinic.
11/17/05IngushetiaMalgobek21Islamic gunmen suspected in attack on a group
of policemen.
11/17/05ThailandNarathiwat10A villager is murdered in front of a tea shop
by militant Muslims.
11/17/05IndiaLancha20Two cousins are killed inside their home by the
Hizb-ul-Mujahideen.
11/16/05ThailandNarathiwat20Two Buddhists are murdered by Muslim
extremists in separate shooting attacks.
11/16/05ThailandNarathiwat99A man, woman and seven children, including an
infant are slaughtered in their home by ten Islamic militants with assault
rifles.
11/16/05AfghanistanKandahar36At least three civilians are killed by a
suicide car bomber. Another six are injured.
11/16/05IndiaAwantipora23Muslim militants attack a security convoy,
killing two and injuring three.
11/16/05IndiaSrinagar648Lashkar-e-Taiba sets off a car bomb in the heart
of a business district, killing at least four people and injuring over
forty.
11/15/05ChechnyaGrozny20Two policemen are kidnapped and murdered by the
Religion of Peace.
11/15/05IndiaTangmarg790al-Arifeen claims responsibility for a grenade
attack on a political rally. Seven people are killed, including a
12-year-old, and about ninety injured.
11/15/05IraqBaghdad27Two policemen are killed by a bomb. Two small girls
are among the injured.
11/15/05IraqKirkuk73Seven Iraqis are killed in two separate attacks by
Jihadis.
11/15/05AfghanistanPaktika52Five Afghan police are killed in a landmine
attack by Taliban extremists.
11/15/05PakistanKarachi312A firebomb goes off inside a fast-food
restaurant, then a car bomb detonates nearby. Three people are killed and
about a dozen injured. (Identity unclear).
11/15/05ThailandNarathiwat10A man working in a rice field is shot three
times by two Islamists who stop him under the pretense of asking
directions.
11/14/05IndiaGulbug Ratnipora10A 22-year-old woman is killed inside her
home by the Mujahideen.
11/14/05IraqBaghdad34At least three people are killed when Islamic
terrorists detonate a roadside bomb in a busy commercial district.
11/14/05IraqBaghdad23Two South Africans are killed and three other
foreigners wounded in a terrorist attack on their SUV.
11/14/05ThailandPattani31Islamists walk into a grocery store and murder
the husband and wife owners. Their 10-year-old boy escapes. Two Buddhist
highway workers are shot in a separate attack.
11/14/05AfghanistanKabul97Two suicide bombings kill nine people and injure
seven others.
11/14/05IndiaSrinagar414Islamic militants attack people in a business
district, near hotels. Four people are killed and fourteen others injured.
11/14/05BangladeshJhalokathi20Jamatul Mujahideen extremists hurl a bomb at
a car carrying two judges, killing them both.
11/14/05IraqRamadi630Six civilians are killed when Jihadis bomb two
passenger buses. Over thirty others are injured.
11/13/05SomaliaMogadishu45Islamic fundamentalists fire into the lobby of a
cinema, killing four civilians.
11/13/05ThailandPattani30Three civilians, including a teacher, are gunned
down over the weekend by Muslim extremists.
11/12/05IndiaRaipora23A 16-year-old is among two people killed in an
encounter with the Hizb-ul-Mujahideen.
11/12/05PhilippinesJolo312Three Filipino soldiers are killed in an ambush
by Abu Sayyaf militants and the shootouts that follow.
11/12/05IraqBaghdad812At least one car bomb goes off in a marketplace,
killing eight shoppers, including an 8-year-old girl.
11/12/05ThailandNarathiwat10Militant Muslims gun down a school teacher.
11/12/05AfghanistanHelmand30Three policemen are kidnapped by Taliban
extremists, then shot to death in captivity.
11/12/05PhilippinesJolo10A 26-year-old photojournalist is shot in the head
by Abu Sayyaf militants.
11/12/05IraqBaghdad41Four bodies are found, tortured and bound, along with
one survivor.
11/12/05ThailandNarathiwat10A man is murdered in front of his home by
Islamic gunmen.
11/11/05AfghanistanKhost15The Taliban attack a police station killing one
officer and injuring five others.
11/11/05AlgeriaBeni Boussaid14Fundamentalists fire on a group of
vacationers, killing one.
11/11/05IndiaPulwama10A congressional party activist is murdered by Muslim
militants.
11/11/05IraqBaghdad24Drive-by shooting on the Oman embassy by Jihadis
leaves two workers dead and four injured.
11/10/05PakistanBrabcha66Six members of the same family are killed in an
al-Qaeda landmine blast. Six others sustain injury.
11/10/05IraqKirkuk713Seven Iraqis standing outside a recruiting center are
killed in a Sunni car bombing. Thirteen others are injured.
11/10/05IraqBaghdad3324Two suicide bombers target a packed restaurant,
slaughtering over thirty people. The vast majority of the casualties are
civilian.
11/10/05IndiaNadihal-Bandipora10A teacher is shot to death by Islamic
militants.
11/10/05AfghanistanHelmand30A former district chief and two others are
killed in separate Taliban attacks.
11/9/05ThailandNarathiwat11A Buddhist businessman is murdered, and his
teenage son injured, by Muslim gunmen.
11/9/05IraqBaqubah79Suicidal Sunni straps explosives to his body and kills
three civilians and four policemen on patrol. Nine other people are
injured.
11/9/05AfghanistanShah Wali Kot72Seven policemen are killed in an ambush
by religious extremists along a remote road. Two others are abducted.
11/9/05IraqBaghdad631Two Sunni car bombs detonate outside a Shiite mosque,
killing six people and injuring thirty-one. Woman and children are among
the casualties.
11/9/05IndiaTral10A civilian is gunned down by the Mujahideen in his
village.
11/9/05JordanAmman56115Three coordinated and horrific suicide bombings
target hotels, including Days Inn and the Grand Hyatt. The worst damage
was at the Radisson, where an al-Qaeda bomber walked into a wedding party
and killed dozens, including several children.
11/8/05IraqBasra30In two attacks, a journalist is shot to death by Islamic
militants and a member of the Iraqi security forces is killed in a bombing
along with his brother.
11/8/05IraqKirkuk73Six bound and executed corpses are discovered on the
same day that Sunni insurgents kill a policeman with a car bomb.
11/8/05IraqMustansiriyah11A car bomb explodes at a university, killing one
civilian.
11/8/05IndiaLarkuti20Lashkar-e-Toiba terrorists invade the home of a
council member's brother and sister-in-law to shoot both people to death.
11/8/05IndiaLawaypora119The Mujahideen bomb a security patrol, injuring
twenty people, one of whom later succumbs to his injuries.
11/8/05IndonesiaPoso02Two Christian 17-year-old girls are shot in the head
in a brutal attack only a few days after three others were beheaded.
11/8/05ThailandNarathiwat30Three civilians, including a food vendor and
newspaper editor, are shot to death by Muslim radicals in separate
attacks.
11/7/05SudanDarfur1816Arab militias attack a series of villages, killing
at least eighteen people.
11/7/05FranceParis10A 61-year-old retiree is beaten to death by Muslim
youth for trying to extinguish a fire that they started.
11/7/05ThailandYala20Muslim militants kill a villager and a Buddhist
policeman in coordinated attacks.
11/7/05IraqBaghdad910A suicide car bomber kills nine Iraqis and injures
ten.
11/7/05AfghanistanUruzgan20The Taliban abduct and behead two villagers.
11/7/05IraqBaghdad50A Fedayeen suicide bomber kills four U.S. soldiers on
security patrol along with their civilian translator.
11/7/05IndiaQuil Muqam20Two civilians are killed in a Mujahideen bombing.
11/7/05IndiaIndergam10The Mujahideen gun down a civilian in an apple
orchard.
11/7/05ThailandYala62Six people are murdered in a series of coordinated
attacks by Muslim terrorists.
11/6/05IndiaKashmir31Terrorists shoot three villagers to death in separate
attacks (Chakras, Batapora Sopore, Kulgam)
11/6/05IraqBaghdad37Car bomb on a city street kills three civilians and
injures seven.
11/6/05IraqKut210Eleven bodies are found in Kut, five of which were
beheaded. Ten others are found outside Baghdad to days later, bound and
showing signs of torture.
11/5/05IndiaRajwar10A villager is gunned down by the Mujahideen.
11/5/05PakistanMir Ali30Three children are killed by an al-Qaeda bomb that
explodes prematurely.
11/5/05ThailandNarathiwat20Two Buddhist rubber tappers are slain by Muslim
gunmen.
11/5/05IraqBalad Ruz133Sunni insurgents machine-gun an infant to death
along with twelve other Shia family members as they are returning from a
minibus trip to a family cemetery.
11/4/05IraqBaghdad92Two Jihad attacks kill four, including a 10-year-old
girl. Her mother and another child were seriously injured. Five policemen
are killed in a separate bombing south of Kirkuk.
11/4/05IraqBores911A brutal ambush on a police checkpoint by Islamic
insurgents dressed as women leaves nine officers and eleven injured.
11/4/05ThailandYala10A villager is gunned down for no apparent reason by
Muslim radicals.
11/4/05ThailandNarathiwat11Muslim separatists murder a civilian.
11/3/05ThailandNarathiwat10A teenager is shot to death by Muslim gunmen.
11/3/05ThailandPattani10Muslim extremists behead a Buddhist monk.
11/2/05IsraelKafr Mirka10An Israeli soldier is shot in the head by
Palestinian gunmen while making an arrest. Soldiers noticed suspicious
movement nearby, but hesitated for fear of hitting civilians.
11/2/05IraqMusayyib2346Twenty-three Shiites are killed when a minibus
packed with explosives is detonated next to a mosque and a busy market.
11/2/05IraqJurf al Naddaf56Five Iraqis in a private minibus are killed in
a Jihadi roadside bombing attack.
11/2/05AfghanistanBahramshah50A drug-fighting police unit is surprised by
the Taliban, who take five officers prisoner, then cut off their heads.
11/2/05IndiaSrinagar1018Jaish-e-Mohammed kill a 10-year-old boy, a woman,
and at least eight others with a suicide bombing in a residential
neighborhood.
11/2/05ChechnyaGrozny11Jihadis use a landmine to kill a member of an
engineering squad.
11/2/05ThailandYala10A 32-year-old man is shot to death by Muslim
militants as he is riding a motorcycle.
11/2/05ThailandNarathiwat23Two men are killed in a Jihadi bombing.
11/2/05ThailandPattani10A fisherman is shot to death by Islamic
extremists.
11/1/05IndiaLamad-Bernai11Two civilians are abducted by the Mujahideen.
One is strangled. The other is still missing.
11/1/05ThailandNarathiwat10A civilian is murdered by Islamists.
10/31/05YemenMunabbah120Islamists ambush and kill twelve Yemeni policemen
as they are traveling through a remote town.
10/31/05AlgeriaBaghlia10A civilian standing on a city street is gunned
down in a suspected Islamist attack.
10/31/05ThailandYala10A cop is gunned down by Jihadis on his way home.
10/31/05ThailandPattani13A villager is shot and killed by terrorists in a
shooting attack.
10/31/05IraqTal Afar140Fourteen bound and tortured corpses are found in
the former Islamist stronghold. Two were decapitated.
10/31/05IraqBasra1859Eighteen shoppers are killed when Islamic insurgents
detonate a car bomb in a crowded market area. About fifty others are
injured.
10/31/05NigeriaNiger Province313Three Christians are killed by Muslims in
unrest following the carrying out of a Sharia sentence of amputation
against a Christian.
10/31/05IraqBaghdad45Four employees working at an oil company are killed
in a rocket attack by Jihadis.
10/30/05AlgeriaBoumerdes20Two civilians are shot to death by Islamic
fundamentalists. One was a child.
10/30/05Algeriaal-Taheer17Islamic fundamentalists attack a police patrol
in a small town, killing one officer and injuring seven people, including
civilians.
10/30/05IndiaBatpora Harwan10A civilian is abducted and executed by the
Mujahideen.
10/30/05IndiaKanji10The Mujahideen murder a civilian defense volunteer in
his village.
10/30/05IraqBaghdad59Jihad attacks on an oil tanker and a construction
site kill four laborers and a government driver.
10/29/05ThailandYala10Islamic radicals kill a man herding goats.
10/29/05IraqHowaider3142In a particularly heinous attack, an Islamist
suicide bomber disguises an explosives-laden truck as a produce vendor,
gathers ordinary customers around it, then detonates, killing at least
thirty innocents.
10/29/05IndonesiaBukit Bambu31Three Christian 16-year-old girls on their
way to school are attacked and beheaded by six Muslim gentlemen, who leave
the headless bodies in the street and carry the heads to a different
location.
10/29/05IndiaNew Delhi62155Three coordinated blasts that tear through a
bus and two markets crowded with people celebrating a Hindu festival bear
all the hallmarks of the Religion of Peace. An Islamic group claims
responsibility.
10/28/05IndiaShabga60Six members of a family are hacked to death in an
honor killing.
10/28/05AfghanistanHelmand30The Taliban ambush a civilian vehicle, killing
two brothers and one of their sons.
10/28/05AfghanistanPaktika30Two men are dragged out a mosque and executed
by Taliban extremists. A tribal leader in nearby Khost is also shot to
death.
10/28/05ThailandNarathiwat10Islamic militants disguised as fully-veiled
women shoot a local religious leader to death from the back of a
motorcycle.
10/27/05IraqBaghdad19A Fedayeen suicide bomber kills a civilian and
injured nine others.
10/27/05IndiaGanethi20A Mujahideen ambush on a security patrol leaves two
dead.
10/27/05IraqNahrawan1514Sectarian violence in the form of a Sunni on Shia
ambush claims the lives of fifteen.
10/27/05PakistanKot Langarkhel111al-Qaeda-linked tribesmen target a
military vehicle with a landmine, killing one.
10/26/05IndiaMundana20Two security personnel are slain in a brutal ambush
by Muslim terrorists.
10/26/05ThailandNarathiwat910Nine people are killed in a series of attacks
by militant Islamists.
10/26/05IsraelHadera530A suicide bomber from Islamic Jihad murders five
Israelis in front of a food stand in a public area.
10/26/05IndiaOmarabad030About thirty people are injured when
Hizb-ul-Mujahideen target a bus with an IED.
10/26/05IngushetiaNazran41Muslim militants ambush a vehicle carrying
Russians, shooting four to death in the attack.
10/26/05AlgeriaSkikda30Two civilians are among three killed by the
Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat.
10/26/05AlgeriaBatna10Religious fundamentalists slit the throat of a
70-year-old shepherd.
10/26/05PakistanQuetta10A Shia teacher is gunned down on his way to school
by radical Sunnis.
10/25/05ThailandYala10Muslims stab a Buddhist man multiple times, and
eventually kill him by slitting his throat.
10/25/05AlgeriaMedea11Islamic fundamentalists shoot into a group of
civilians, killing one.
10/25/05LebanonHelweh10Fatah Uprising terrorists kill a Lebanese army
contractor.
10/25/05AfghanistanJalalabad12The Taliban opens fire on a police vehicle,
killing an instructor and injuring two others.
10/25/05AlgeriaMedea23In separate attacks, Islamic fundamentalists kill
two people at a coffee house and a nearby market.
10/25/05IndiaSrinagar09Nine people are injured when a Jaish-e-Mohammed
cadre lobs a grenade into a street.
10/25/05IraqBaghdad19Sunni insurgents kill a 7-year-old boy by the side of
the road with a bomb that also injured nine other pedestrians.
10/25/05AfghanistanKabul43A child is among four civilians killed by
Taliban extremists in a rocket attack on a convoy of cars.
10/25/05IraqSulaimaniyah94Nine civilians are killed by a Fedayeen suicide
bomber on a city street.
10/24/05IraqBaghdad145Three separate incidents include the discovery of
eight bound and executed victims, a suicide car bomb that kills two
civilians, and a shooting ambush that kills three municipal workers and a
passerby.
10/24/05PakistanLadha111al-Qaeda militants kill the driver of a military
truck with a remote-controlled bomb.
10/24/05IraqBaghdad2040Twenty passersby are massacred by three coordinated
suicide attacks against a hotel. The bombs were packed with ball-bearings
to maximize human suffering.
10/24/05AfghanistanKandahar26Two workers for a British agency working to
clear landmines are killed in a bomb attack by religious extremists.
10/24/05IraqHilla121Terrorists execute twelve people working at a
construction site. Five of the victims were brothers.
10/24/05ThailandPattani13Muslim gunmen shoot a villager to death and
injure three more.
10/24/05IndiaPuchhal10A man is killed inside his home after failing to
heed the warning posters at a local mosque.
10/23/05EnglandBirmingham11Pakistanis stab a 24-year-old Christian man
senselessly to death in what is either a racial or religious attack.
10/23/05ThailandPattani10In a brutal attack, Muslims force a Buddhist man
into a burning car.
10/23/05IraqBaghdad411A suicide bomber kills two civilians and two police
officers.
10/23/05IraqTaji30Three Iraqis are shot to death by Sunni insurgents while
driving a water truck.
10/23/05IraqKirkuk213Two civilians are killed by a suicide bomber.
Thirteen others are injured.
10/23/05IndiaSrinagar20Jaish-e-Mohammed members attack and kill two
policemen at a market.
10/23/05BangladeshKhulna10Jamaat-ul-Mujahideen suspected of bombing that
kills a party leader.
10/23/05PakistanNorth Waziristan12A terrorist shoots at a group of three
men at a bazaar, killing one.
10/23/05IraqTikrit50Jihadis murder two young boys riding in a car, as well
as two girls, ages 7 and 9, who were standing by the car when the
remote-controlled device was detonated.
10/23/05IndiaWadwal31Islamic terrorists open fire on a group of security
personnel, killing three.
10/23/05LebanonEin el-Hilweh13Fatah gunmen kill a government contractor.
10/21/05AfghanistanKhost13The Taliban kill an Afghan journalist with a
remote-controlled bomb.
10/21/05AfghanistanHelmand90Nine policemen are killed in a Taliban ambush
on their patrol.
10/21/05IndiaRatnipora10A political activist is killed inside his
residence by the Mujahideen.
10/21/05IndiaSrinagar114Fourteen people are injured, and one civilian
killed, when an Islamic militant hurls a grenade at a crowd outside a
hotel.
10/21/05AfghanistanNimroz25The Taliban kill a police chief and at least
one other person with a remote-controlled bomb outside a mosque.
10/20/05IndiaNalli Dillo10A shepherd is killed by the Mujahideen as he is
grazing in the field.
10/20/05ChechnyaElistanzhi33Islamists fire at a group of civilians
fishing, killing three.
10/20/05AfghanistanFaryab13Religious extremists kill a humanitarian
worker.
10/20/05IraqBaghdad35A small girl is among three people killed when
Jihadis fire a rocket at a school. Five other children are injured.
10/20/05IndiaDardkoot10A man is abducted from his home by militant Muslims
and killed in captivity.
10/20/05IraqBaqubah414A Fedayeen suicide car bomber kills four civilians
and causes injury to at least fourteen others.
10/20/05ThailandNarathiwat20A 60-year-old man is shot to death in front of
a school in a motorcycle attack. Muslims also kill another civilian in
Yala.
10/19/05AfghanistanPanjwayi10An anti-Taliban government official is gunned
down while praying in a mosque.
10/19/05IndiaPampore210Two civilians are killed in a Mujahideen attack
that also leaves ten others injured.
10/19/05AfghanistanPanjwayi20The headmaster of a school is executed in
front of his students. A guard at a different school is also killed and
his body is dumped in a stream.
10/19/05IraqIskandariya60Sunni gunmen barge into a factory, identify six
Shia workers, then line the men up against a wall and kill them in front
of their co-workers.
10/19/05ThailandPaluru10Islamic militants kill a 28-year-old woman riding
on the back of a motorcycle.
10/19/05IraqBaghdad30Three election workers are killed by Jihadis while
driving home after counting ballots.
10/19/05PakistanWana10al-Qaeda militants abduct and kill a pro-government
tribal chief.
10/18/05IraqBaghdad711A Jihad attack on a police checkpoint leaves four
Iraqis dead. Three civilians are gunned down in a residential neighborhood
elsewhere in the city.
10/18/05DagestanKhasavyurt13Islamic militants kill a policeman and injure
two others in a shootout.
10/18/05IndiaSrinagar43Lashker-e-Toiba terrorists barge into the home of a
government minister in a suicide attack that leaves him, a security guard
and two civilians dead.
10/18/05BangladeshNarsingdi10A Hindu priest is kidnapped and murdered by
Islamic extremists.
10/18/05ThailandNarathiwat10A villager is murdered by Muslim militants
while standing in his yard.
10/18/05AlgeriaJejil60Five security guards and a civilian are killed when
Islamic fundamentalists open fire at a checkpoint.
10/18/05AfghanistanDand10A school janitor is shot to death by the Taliban.
10/17/05ThailandNarathiwat20Two men are gunned down by Muslim militants in
separate attacks.
10/17/05IraqSamarrah21Two people attending a funeral are killed by a
Fedayeen suicide bomber, who wanders in amidst the mourners.
10/17/05IraqBaghdad10al-Qaeda releases a video of a man with his hands
tied behind his back being shot twice in the back of the head.
10/16/05ThailandPattani30Militant Muslims attack a Buddhist temple, slit
the throat of a 76-year-old monk and brutally kill two teenage boys. The
bodies are subsequently burned.
10/16/05IsraelGush Etzion35Three Israeli civilians, two young women and a
14-year-old boy, are gunned down in cold blood while waiting by the side
of the road. Five others are injured. al-Aksa claims credit for the child
killings.
10/16/05ThailandYala20Two policemen guarding a railway station are gunned
down by Islamists.
10/16/05AfghanistanLashkargah30The Taliban assassinate a religious cleric
and later open fire on a group of security personnel in a separate attack.
10/16/05AlgeriaAlgiers23Religious fundamentalists in eastern Algerian
storm a house and slit the throats of two of the occupants. Three other
family members are kidnapped.
10/16/05IranAhvaz680At least six people are killed by a mysterious bomb
planted at a shopping center. More than eighty bystanders are injured.
10/15/05IndiaKathua26Islamic militants attack a group of soldiers as they
are performing physical exercises on their base.
10/15/05ThailandNarathiwat30Three Thai civilians are killed in three
separate attacks across the southern provinces.
10/15/05IraqSaqlawiyah50Five U.S. Marines are killed by a terrorist bomb
while responding to a mortar attack on a polling station.
10/15/05AlgeriaTizi Ouzou10A civilian is murdered by an Islamic terrorist.
10/14/05ThailandPattani10Militant Muslims capture and behead a 68-year-old
Buddhist cattle farmer.
10/14/05AfghanistanMiwand213Two policemen are killed in an ambush by
religious extremists.
10/14/05ThailandNarathiwat10A 43-year-old electrician is gunned down by
Islamists on a motorcycle while on his way to work.
10/14/05AfghanistanTani116Religious extremists kill a cleric and injure
sixteen others with a bombing at a mosque.
10/13/05IndiaChowkian21An elderly man is killed in his home by the
Mujahideen in an attack that also injures his wife. Another civilian is
gunned down in Sambora.
10/13/05Kabardino-Balk.Nalchik4464A coordinated urban attack by 150
Islamic militants on a school and airport leaves at least forty-four
civilians and law enforcement personnel dead.
10/13/05PakistanGilgit1225Twelve people, including three women, are killed
in sectarian violence following a Shia demonstration.
10/13/05ThailandNarathiwat10A fruit trader is murdered by Islamists.
10/12/05AfghanistanUruzgan60Six policemen die in a Taliban ambush.
10/12/05EgyptAlexandria02A nun and one other person are stabbed in front
of their church by a Muslim demonstrator.
10/12/05AfghanistanKandahar53Taliban extremists murder five medical
workers returning from a relief trip. The dead include two doctors, two
nurses and a driver.
10/12/05IraqTal Afar3035A second al-Qaeda suicide bombing in as many days
leaves another thirty Iraqis dead and at least thirty-five others in
various stages of physical suffering.
10/12/05IndiaHyderabad11Suicide blast sponsored by Islamic terror groups
kills one and injures another.
10/12/05PhilippinesPamatsakin32Abu Sayyaf militants attack a security
patrol, killing a civilian and two soldiers.
10/11/05PakistanNaurote10Sectarian attack leaves a civilian dead.
10/11/05ThailandPattani10Muslims kill a security volunteer.
10/11/05IraqBaghdad40Four people are killed by a suicide bomber at a gas
station.
10/11/05IraqTal Afar3045A Fedayeen suicide bomber drives an
explosives-laden car disguised as a taxi into a crowd of shoppers at a
market, killing thirty and injuring forty-five.
10/11/05PakistanGilgit17Militant Muslims ambush a group of civilians,
shooting one of them to death.
10/10/05ChechnyaZakan-Yurt20A firefighter and a civilian are blown apart
by a Muslim IED.
10/10/05IndiaRajnagar101In two gruesome attacks, Hizb-ul-Mujahideen
members swoop into two residences and slit the throats of ten Hindu family
members. Only one child is known to have survived.
10/10/05IndiaQazigund22A young woman is killed inside her home by Muslim
terrorists. The same group also invades a second residence, killing a
teenager.
10/10/05AfghanistanHelmand184The Taliban ambush a police convoy in a
remote area and slaughter eighteen officers.
10/10/05AfghanistanKandahar35Three people are killed when a Taliban
suicide bomber detonates his explosives along a city street.
10/9/05DagestanMakhachkala20Two policemen are slain in a brutal assault by
Islamic terrorists.
10/9/05IraqBaghdad138Suicide bombings and other Sunni attacks across the
country (and an incident in which a Shiite teacher was dragged out of his
classroom and shot to death) leave thirteen Iraqis dead.
10/9/05IraqBasra23A suicide bomber kills a woman and a child outside an
apartment building.
10/9/05AlgeriaAlgiers20Members of the Salafist Group for Preaching and
Combat storm a coffee house, where they slit the throats of two patrons.
10/9/05AfghanistanGerdiz15A Taliban rocket attack leaves one person dead
and five injured.
10/9/05ThailandPattani11A woman having dinner with her son is shot to
death by Muslim radicals.
10/9/05PakistanMiranshah30al-Qaeda militants kill three Pakistani soldiers
in a landmine blast.
10/8/05ThailandYala10A rubber tapper is gunned down by Islamic extremists.
10/8/05ThailandPattani20A Buddhist husband and wife are murdered on their
way home by Islamic gunmen.
10/8/05IraqBaghdad716Fedayeen suicide bomber murders seven people on a
city street. Sixteen others are injured in the blast.
10/7/05IraqKirkuk311Jihadi car bomb kills three civilians.
10/7/05IndiaBriswana10A civilian is killed inside his home by the
Mujahideen.
10/7/05PakistanMong819Sectarian attack on a crowd of people by gunmen at a
mosque for a minority Islamic group leaves eight dead and nineteen
injured.
10/7/05IndiaSapore26A small girl is among two killed by a Mujahideen
grenade blast in a terror attack.
10/7/05ChechnyaVinogradnoye10A policeman is murdered in his home by
Jihadis.
10/7/05ThailandYala10Radicals kill the driver of a police chief.
10/6/05IndiaAnantnag20Two people are taken from their homes and murdered
by the Mujahideen.
10/6/05IraqBaghdad108Ten Iraqis riding a bus are blown to bits by a
Fedayeen suicide bomber. Eight others are badly injured.
10/6/05ThailandNarathiwat52Islamic militants shoot five Thai soldiers to
death as they are eating dinner at a remote outpost.
10/6/05PakistanDatta Kheil30al-Qaeda militants fire a rocket into a house,
killing a man and his young son and daughter.
10/6/05ThailandNarathiwat110Two bombs are set off by Muslim terrorists at
a restaurant, killing one and injuring ten.
10/6/05IndiaDooru15Hizb-ul-Mujahideen terrorists detonate a bomb under a
bank truck, killing the driver.
10/6/05AlgeriaMessila20Two civilians are killed in a car bombing.
10/6/05IraqBaghdad20Suicide bomber blows himself to Allah, taking two
innocent women with him.
10/6/05IraqKarma60Six U.S. Marines are killed in two roadside bombing
terror attacks.
10/5/05IraqHilla3695At least three dozen Shiites are killed and nearly
one-hundred others injured by a suicide bomber at a mosque during a
funeral service.
10/5/05AfghanistanKandahar13A 'Holy Warrior for Allah' manages to kill a
10-year-old boy in a suicide bombing.
10/5/05ThailandYala10A civilian is abducted and beheaded by Muslim
terrorists.
10/5/05IndiaGumeri30Hizb-ul-Mujahideen cadres enter a residence and kill a
man along with his 21-year-old daughter and 16-year-old son. Another son
had been killed last year.
10/4/05AfghanistanSpin Boldak616Six Afghans are killed by a Taliban bomb
at a border crossing. Sixteen others are injured.
10/4/05IraqBaghdad36Ramadan in Iraq begins with a suicide car bombing
inside the Green Zone that kills three people.
10/4/05IndiaBudgam30The Mujahideen kill two counter-insurgents in an
attack and also abduct and kill a civilian in Kulgam.
10/3/05BangladeshLaxmipu240Members of Jamaat-ul-Mujahideen stage a series
of bombing attacks that kill at least two people and injure forty.
10/3/05IraqBaghdad32An attempted assassination of an oil minister leaves
his two bodyguards dead. A Jihad attack from the day before killed the
director of public works.
10/3/05IndiaShopian10Terrorists abduct a civilian and murder him in
captivity.
10/2/05ThailandSongkhla23Two bomb squad inspectors are killed in a
remote-controlled explosion courtesy of Islamic terrorists.
10/2/05BangladeshAtkhira23Militants hurl homemade bombs at a group of
civilians in a fish market, killing two and injuring three.
10/2/05PakistanMir Ali38al-Qaeda militants kill three Pakistani security
personnel in a rocket attack.
10/2/05PakistanZha Gundai11The son of a pro-government tribal leader is
gunned down by al-Qaeda militants.
10/2/05IndiaBhalna10A civilian is murdered by a Harkat-ul-Jehad-i-Islami
terrorist.
10/1/05ChechnyaGrozny20Two people are abducted and brutally murdered by
the Mujahideen.
10/1/05ChechnyaShatoi12Jihad rebels blow apart a troop transport, killing
one soldier and injuring two others.
10/1/05IndonesiaBali19132Islamic suicide bombers murder nineteen people,
mostly tourists, at two cafes and a restaurant in three coordinated
attacks. Over one-hundred are injured.
9/30/05ThailandYala15Terrorists ambush a police patrol, killing one and
injuring five.
9/30/05IraqBaghdad10A transgender man is murdered by Islamic extremists
earlier in the month.
9/30/05ThailandPattani10A Buddhist student is murdered by Islamists as he
is riding home.
9/30/05SudanDarfur2910Janjaweed militia attack a camp for displaced
persons, killing about thirty innocents.
9/30/05IndiaSomboora20The Mujahideen invade a home and kill a young girl.
Another civilian is killed elsewhere (Kulgam).
9/30/05ThailandNarathiwat20Two Chinese street vendors are killed in a
drive-by shooting by Islamists on motorcycles.
9/30/05IraqHilla947Nine Shia civilians are blown to bits by a morning car
bomb at a vegetable market. Nearly fifty others are injured.
9/29/05IraqBaghdad48In two attacks, Sunni gunmen machine-gun workers at a
Shia bakery as well as a van carrying soccer-stadium employees. Four
people are murdered.
9/29/05PakistanAngoor Adda10A civilian has his throat slit by al-Qaeda
militants.
9/29/05PakistanKarim Kut50al-Qaeda terrorists stage an attack on a vehicle
carrying government officials, killing five.
9/29/05IraqBalad99124About one-hundred people are massacred in three
separate suicide attacks by Sunni fanatics. Most were at a vegetable
market or near a bank. The third was near a clothing shop. Many more are
injured, most with burns - some with missing limbs.
9/29/05ChechnyaGrozny31Mujahideen gunmen open up on a car, killing two
police officers and a 3-year-old girl. The girl's mother suffered injury.
9/29/05IndiaAlal10Islamic militants abduct a civilian and beat him to
death.
9/29/05ThailandNarathiwat11A fruit vendor is shot to death by Muslims, in
an attack that also injures his 8-year-old daughter.
9/29/05IndiaSrinagar019Fifteen civilians and four security personnel are
injured when a Muslim militant hurls a grenade into a crowd.
9/28/05SudanAro Sharow3410Thirty-four refugees are massacred by Arab
militia on horseback at a camp. Women and children are amply represented
among the dead.
9/28/05IraqRamadi50Five American soldiers are killed in a senseless
roadside bombing by Islamic terrorists.
9/28/05AfghanistanKabul928Nine Afghans are killed outside a military
training center by a suicide bomber on a motorbike. Twenty-eight others
are injured in the blast.
9/28/05IndiaNasu20A civilian is killed in his home by Islamic militants
and another (in Thom Gali) is abducted and executed.
9/28/05IndiaMalad21Hizb-ul-Mujahideen terrorists invade a home and take a
family of four hostage during a shoot-out with police. A mother and
daughter are killed.
9/28/05IraqTal Afar630A female suicide bomber detonates a bomb packed with
metal ball bearings in a crowd waiting outside a recruitment center. Six
are killed and many hurt.
9/27/05IraqKut220The bodies of twenty-two victims of Islamic terror are
found bound and executed outside a small town.
9/27/05IraqBaqubah921A suicide bomber kills himself and nine innocents in
the process of applying for government jobs. Twenty-one others are
injured.
9/27/05IndiaMendhar10A Lashkar-e-Toiba terrorist uses a teenage girl as a
human shield in a gun battle. Both are killed.
9/27/05ThailandPattani10Islamic radicals gun down a school teacher.
9/27/05AlgeriaBoukhil31Three civilians are killed when Islamic
fundamentalists blow a vehicle apart with an IED.
9/26/05IsraelRamallah10The body of an Israeli factory worker is found
after he is kidnapped, tortured and killed by Hamas.
9/26/05IraqMuelha60In a senseless attack, nine Sunni gunmen walk into an
elementary school and drag five Shia teachers and their driver out of
their classrooms, put them up against a wall and execute them.
9/26/05AfghanistanHelmand40Taliban landmine kills all four people in a
passenger car.
9/26/05IraqBaghdad614A suicide bomber blows himself to Allah in an attack
against a bus carrying oil ministry staff workers, taking six innocents
with him and leaving fourteen others critically injured.
9/26/05ThailandTonmaisoong11A 54-year-old man is killed by Muslim
terrorists while sitting in a tea shop.
9/26/05ChadMadayouna380Thirty-eight innocent people are murdered in a
Janjaweed raid.
9/25/05IraqHilla548A bomb planted on a bicycle kills a passerby outside a
music store. Elsewhere, four bodies are found bound and murdered.
9/25/05AlgeriaSkikda20Islamic fundamentalists set up a fake roadblock to
stop a civilian car and cut the throats of two occupants. Family members
are abducted.
9/25/05PakistanLahore20Two more victims of the 9/22 blast die from
injuries, including a 7-year-old girl.
9/25/05IndiaKalotra10A government lecturer is shot to death by the
Mujahideen.
9/25/05IraqBaghdad912A horrific scene of twisted metal, charred bodies and
blood, as a 'Holy Warrior' kills himself in a bombing attack that also
takes the lives of nine others.
9/25/05IraqMussayib619A Fedayeen suicide bomber on a motorcycle kills six
civilians and injures about twenty others.
9/24/05ChechnyaGrozny611Three Mujahideen terror attacks leave six Russian
servicemen dead and eleven wounded.
9/24/05IndiaGandoh10The mother-in-law of a police officer is killed inside
her home by Islamic militants.
9/24/05AfghanistanChemtal60Six musicians are shot to death by religious
fundamentalists opposed to music.
9/23/05DenmarkSlagelse11Pakistani man guns down his 19-year-old sister and
injures her husband in a public honor killing in Denmark.
9/23/05IndiaKulgam10Militant Muslims kill a female police officer in her
home.
9/23/05PakistanGilgit22Sunni terrorists open fire on a bus, killing two
Shias, including a 15-year-old girl.
9/23/05IraqKarbala14A suicide bomber succeeds in killing a small child.
Four others are wounded.
9/23/05IraqBaghdad612Suicide bomber targets a civilian passenger bus and
kills six people and injures at least a dozen.
9/23/05ThailandNarathiwat22Two policemen are killed by a mobile-phone bomb
triggered by Islamists.
9/23/05ThailandPattani20In separate attacks, a construction worker and a
public health employee are gunned down by Muslim terrorists.
9/23/05ThailandYala10Militant Muslims shoot a migrant worker to death.
9/23/05IraqBaghdad40Four Assyrian Christians are killed in a Muslim bomb
attack on a Christian minister.
9/23/05Pal. Auth.Jebaliya17140A Hamas truck, loaded with rockets intended
for Israel, explodes early, killing seventeen Palestinians (including
three children) and injuring another one-hundred and forty.
9/22/05IraqBaghdad93Jihadis kill nine people in four attacks, including
the owner of a tile-making factory, who is killed in his home along with
his two sons and daughter-in-law.
9/22/05AlgeriaM'sila84The Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat stages a
terrorist attack against an Algerian army patrol, killing at least eight.
9/22/05PakistanLahore627Two separate bomb blasts in commercial areas by
Muslim terrorists kill six, including a woman, and injure thirty.
9/22/05IndiaPathan Mohalla11Two family members are abducted from their
home by the Mujahideen. The father is released after his son is executed.
9/22/05ThailandYala10A Buddhist care-taker of elephants is murdered by
Islamists.
9/22/05ThailandNarathiwat11In the second such attack in as many days,
Muslims fire on a married couple, killing the husband.
9/22/05ChechnyaOktyabrskiy10A cop is gunned down by Jihadis.
9/22/05ThailandYala10A Buddhist vegetable vendor is murdered by Islamic
extremists.
9/21/05ThailandNarathiwat11A man is killed, and his Buddhist wife injured,
by Muslim gunmen.
9/21/05AfghanistanJozjan70Seven musicians are slaughtered by the Taliban
as they are traveling home from a wedding.
9/21/05ThailandYala11A school janitor is killed, and a female factory
worker injured, in a shooting attack by religious extremists.
9/20/05IraqMosul42A suicidal extremist kills an American diplomat and
three civilian contractors in a car bombing.
9/20/05ChechnyaKrasny Voskhod13An ambush by Jihadis on a police convoy
leaves one officer dead.
9/20/05AfghanistanSahag20Two civilians are killed in a roadside terror
bombing by the Taliban.
9/20/05PakistanShakai28al-Qaeda kills a tribal leader and a soldier in
separate remote-controlled bomb attacks.
9/20/05IraqDuluiyah42Four American contractors are murdered by Muslim
radicals after their car takes a wrong turn.
9/20/05ThailandTanyong Limo20Two Thai marines are captured by Muslim
villagers when their car breaks down. The people later stab and beat the
two Buddhists to death after holding them hostage for 18 hours.
9/20/05IngushetiaKarabulak31Shouting 'Allah Akbar,' masked terrorists
attack a group of border policemen checking passports, killing three.
9/20/05ThailandTanyong Limo23Militant Muslims stage a shooting attack on a
tea shop, killing two men.
9/20/05IndiaUdhampur30Three civilians are shot to death after the
Mujahideen invade their homes.
9/20/05IraqBaghdad10A transsexual is beaten and burned to death by Islamic
extremists.
9/20/05AfghanistanUruzgan33Three policemen are killed by the Taliban while
traveling home.
9/20/05PhilippinesMilaya10Abu Sayyaf gunmen murder a security member.
9/19/05IndiaDoda20Two civilians are killed in their homes by the
Mujahideen.
9/19/05Kabardino-Balk.Nalchik10Mujahideen kill a Russian soldier in a
terror attack.
9/19/05AlgeriaSkikda40Islamic fundamentalists kill two civilians and two
Algerian soldiers in a remote area.
9/19/05IndiaTakiya Sheikhpora10A villager has his throat slit by the
Mujahideen.
9/19/05IraqKarbala1012Two suicide bombers strike Shia pilgrims as they are
walking on foot to a shrine. Ten are killed and at least a dozen injured.
9/19/05IraqBasra10Islamic extremists kidnap, torture, and kill a reporter
for the New York Times.
9/18/05IraqKirkuk43Four Iraqi security force personnel are killed by a
roadside bomb planted by Jihadis.
9/18/05IraqBaghdad14Sunnis open fire on a group of Shia civilians, killing
at least one.
9/18/05AfghanistanKhost20Two security officers are killed by the Taliban
in an ambush.
9/18/05PakistanWana10al-Qaeda shoots a 50-year-old schoolteacher to death.
9/17/05IraqNahrawan3038al-Qaeda murders thirty Shiites in a street bombing
in an industrial area. About forty others are injured in the blast.
9/17/05AlgeriaBordj10A guard at a natural gas facility is murdered by
terrorists.
9/17/05IraqMushahada31A Jihad ambush on an Iraqi Parliament member leaves
him and two civilians dead.
9/17/05IndiaSurankote10A civilian is abducted from his village and
beheaded by the Mujahideen.
9/17/05IraqBaghdad90Sunni radicals kidnap and torture nine men before
killing them execution style.
9/16/05AlgeriaOuled Attia24Fundamentalists attack a security patrol,
killing two members.
9/16/05ThailandNarathiwat10A Buddhist construction worker is murdered by
Muslim radicals.
9/16/05ChechnyaGrozny24Muslim terrorists attack a police car on the city
streets, killing an officer and a civilian.
9/16/05LebanonBeirut122A bomb placed in a Christian neighborhood kills one
man and injures twenty-two other people.
9/16/05IraqBaghdad1222Five Jihad attacks leave about a dozen Iraqis dead
and over twenty injured.
9/16/05IraqTuz1021A suicidal Sunni kills himself and ten others outside a
Shia mosque with a car bomb. Almost two dozen others are injured.
9/15/05ThailandYala10A 40-year-old man is killed by Muslim extremists on
his way to work at a rubber plantation.
9/15/05DagestanKizilyurt13Islamic terrorists attack a police checkpoint.
9/15/05ThailandNarathiwat11Muslim terrorists shoot a former school teacher
to death in front of his wife, who narrowly escapes with her life.
9/15/05AfghanistanGhazni12An Afghan interpreter is killed by the Taliban
in a roadside attack.
9/15/05IndiaTipri20The Mujahideen guns down two civilians in cold blood at
their village.
9/15/05AfghanistanHelmand10A candidate for election is pulled from his
house and executed by religious extremists.
9/15/05IraqMosul13A terrorist bomb explodes in a Shia mosque, killing the
Imam and injuring three others.
9/15/05IraqKarbala30Three Shia pilgrims on their way to a shrine are
gunned down by Sunni radicals.
9/15/05IraqBaghdad2332Three Fedayeen suicide bombers kill at least twenty
Iraqis and injure more than thirty more in a commercial district. Three
bodies are found elsewhere.
9/14/05ThailandPattani10A merchant is murdered by Islamists.
9/14/05ChechnyaArgun53Islamic militants open fire on a group of Russian
soldiers from a house, killing five.
9/14/05AfghanistanTirin Kot34Taliban extremists kill three civilians
traveling in a car. Four others, including a child, are badly injured.
9/14/05PakistanQuetta10Sunnis murder a Shia civilian.
9/14/05IraqTaji170Sunni gunmen invade Shia homes in the middle of the
night, pulling seventeen men out and murdering them execution style.
9/14/05IraqBaghdad134300'Holy Warrior' suicide bombers stage twelve
separate attacks against Shia civilians (mostly day laborers looking for
work). About one-hundred and thirty-five are slaughtered, with over
three-hundred others injured.
9/13/05IndiaRajouri13The Mujahideen invade a woman's home, take her food,
then shoot her to death and seriously injure her three children.
9/13/05ThailandPattani10A teacher is murdered by Islamic radicals.
9/13/05AfghanistanUruzgan70The Taliban shoot seven civilians to death
after finding election materials in their car.
9/13/05AfghanistanZabul10An election official is captured and hanged by
the Taliban.
9/13/05DagestanBuinaksk11Coordinated attack by Muslim terrorists leaves a
Russian policeman dead.
9/13/05AlgeriaSidi Daoud30Three Algerian troops are killed in an ambush by
the Salafi Group for Preaching and Combat.
9/13/05IraqMosul10A 21-year-old Christian woman is assaulted by Muslim
radicals for wearing jeans. She is beaten and stabbed to death.
9/12/05ChechnyaGrozny15A Mujahideen remote control bomb kills one and
injures five.
9/12/05ThailandPattani11Two Buddhist school bus drivers are ambushed by
Muslim terrorists. At least one dies from gunshot wounds.
9/12/05PakistanTappi30Three citizens are abducted by al-Qaeda terrorists
and then have their throats slit after being tortured.
9/12/05IndiaShopian10A civilian is abducted and murdered by the
Mujahideen.
9/12/05BangladeshKhulna10Islamic extremists suspected in deadly attack on
a high school teacher.
9/12/05IraqBaghdad217Jihadis car bomb a restaurant, killing two people and
injuring seventeen more. Most of the victims were women.
9/11/05ThailandPattani10A civilian is shot off the back of a motorcycle by
terrorists.
9/10/05ThailandYala10Muslims slash a 62-year-old Buddhist man to death
while he was on his way to work.
9/10/05ThailandNarathiwat10Muslim radicals nearly behead a teenage boy
with a knife.
9/10/05IndiaAwantipora57Vicious ambush on an Indian convoy by
Lashkar-e-Toiba terrorists leaves five security force personnel dead and
seven injured.
9/10/05ThailandPattani10Islamic terrorists kill a cattle salesman.
9/10/05ThailandNarathiwat10A Buddhist construction worker is shot to death
by militant Muslims.
9/10/05IndiaJammu20The Mujahideen shoot a father and son to death.
9/9/05AfghanistanHeart10Taliban extremists kill the bodyguard of an
election candidate.
9/9/05ThailandNarathiwat10A woman is murdered by Muslims while on her way
to see children at a hospital.
9/9/05IndiaDharmari68Six members of three families are massacred by Muslim
militants, who level continuous fire into their village. Two women are
among the dead.
9/9/05IndiaUdhampur20Two shepherds are abducted from their field by the
Mujahideen and then killed in captivity.
9/9/05IndiaGandoh10The Mujahideen kill a Hindu as he is grazing his
cattle.
9/9/05AfghanistanHelmand40Four police officer are brutally murdered in
their vehicle in a Taliban bombing.
9/8/05ThailandNarathiwat20Two ordinary civilians are gunned down for no
apparent reason by Muslim terrorists in separate attacks.
9/8/05IndiaDoda20Two civilians are abducted and killed in separate attacks
by the Mujahideen.
9/8/05IndiaSopore113One civilian is killed and thirteen others injured
when Muslim militants toss a grenade into a bus stop.
9/8/05ThailandYala11A Buddhist truck driver delivering rice is murdered by
radical Islamic gunmen.
9/8/05PakistanGilgit20Two civilians are killed in attacks by rival Islamic
groups.
9/7/05ThailandNarathiwat13An elderly civilian is killed in a bombing by
Muslim radicals.
9/7/05IraqBasra1621Muslim terrorists car bomb a take-out restaurant,
killing sixteen civilians in and around the building. Twenty-one are
injured.
9/7/05IraqBasra40Four American civilians are killed by Muslim terrorists
in a roadside bombing.
9/7/05AfghanistanGhazni40The Taliban kill four policemen guarding a road
maintenance crew.
9/7/05DagestanKhasavyurt10A Russian soldier is killed in an Islamic terror
bombing.
9/7/05AfghanistanHelmand12A suicide car bombing goes badly, killing three
bombers but only one passerby.
9/6/05IndiaKashmir21Two civilians are gunned down by the
Hizb-ul-Mujahideen in separate attacks.
9/6/05DagestanInchkhe30Islamic militants suspected in a shooting attack on
a police vehicle that leaves three Russian officers dead.
9/5/05IraqBalad21Suicide bomber kills two Iraqis.
9/5/05ThailandNarathiwat13Islamic radicals bomb a convoy of teachers,
killing a guard.
9/5/05ThailandYala10Muslims intrude into a villager's home and kill him.
9/5/05ThailandNarathiwat10A Buddhist worker delivering wood is brutally
slain by Muslim terrorists.
9/5/05Pal. Auth.Gaza City427Four people, including a woman, are killed and
twenty-seven injured when a Hamas weapons lab blows up in a residential
neighborhood.
9/5/05IndiaBatpora016Sixteen civilians are injured when a Muslim terrorist
hurls a grenade into the road.
9/5/05IndiaKahi10Militant Muslims shoot a young woman to death
approximately two months after her husband is killed.
9/5/05IndiaPoshana10A civilian is abducted and killed by Islamic
militants.
9/5/05IndiaSangiot10An elderly woman is abducted and beheaded by the
Mujahideen.
9/5/05IraqHit1116Eleven Iraqis, mostly civilian, are killed by a 'Holy
Warrior' suicide bomber on a city street.
9/5/05IndiaAchar30Three brothers are shot to death by the
Hizb-ul-Mujahideen.
9/4/05ThailandPattani10A man is murdered by Muslim gunmen in front of his
home.
9/4/05IraqQaim100al-Qaeda takes over a small town and executes at least
ten people, including a woman accused of being a prostitute.
9/4/05PhilippinesKarawan30Abu Sayyaf terrorists kill three unarmed,
off-duty Filipino soldiers.
9/4/05AfghanistanHelmand50The Taliban execute a British hostage and also
ambush a police patrol, killing four officers.
9/4/05IndiaBijbehara20The Mujahideen shoot a retired schoolteacher to
death. Elsewhere (Poshana) another civilian is abducted and killed in
captivity.
9/3/05AfghanistanZabul12Taliban extremists murder a police officer at a
checkpoint.
9/3/05IraqSamarrah311Islamic militants fire several mortars into a
residential area, killing three civilians and injuring eleven.
9/3/05IraqZubayr14Shia gunmen fire on Sunni worshippers at a mosque,
killing one.
9/3/05AfghanistanGhowrak50Five people are murdered in a shooting spree by
Taliban terrorists.
9/3/05IraqBaqubah162Jihadis murder sixteen Iraqi security force personnel
in three separate attacks.
9/3/05ThailandNarathiwat10A civilian is murdered by Islamic radicals while
on his way to pick herbs.
9/3/05ThailandNarathiwat10Militant Muslims gun down a cattle farmer.
9/3/05ThailandPattani10Muslim separatists shoot a civilian in his car,
then burn him alive.
9/3/05ThailandYala10Muslim terrorists spray a grocery store with
machine-gun fire, killing a Buddhist patron.
9/2/05ThailandNarathiwat10A rubber tapper is murdered by Islamists.
9/2/05PakistanLaddha10al-Qaeda militants kill a village elder.
9/2/05IraqBaiji59Five Iraqi soldiers are killed in a terrorist bombing
while on patrol. Nine are injured.
9/2/05IndiaSoundhar34Lashkar-e-Toiba terrorists attack a group of
civilians, killing three and injuring four. The casualties include two
women.
9/2/05DagestanMakhachkala511Five people, including a 7-year-old child, are
killed and eleven wounded in a Jihad bombing attack.
9/2/05ThailandYala11Muslims kill a 45-year-old Buddhist man as he is
traveling home with his daughter.
9/1/05ThailandYala10A religious teacher is killed by terrorists on his way
to school.
9/1/05ThailandNarathiwat10Militant Muslims gun down a hospital worker.
9/1/05ThailandNarathiwat10A bus driver is shot to death by Islamists while
dropping kids off at school.
9/1/05AfghanistanGirishk10A moderate cleric is gunned down by Muslim
extremists.
9/1/05AlgeriaAmmal10The mayor of a small town is shot and killed by
Islamic fundamentalists at a fake roadblock.
8/31/05AfghanistanHeart32The Taliban gun down three security officers in
cold blood and kidnap a British engineer and his interpreter.
8/31/05ChechnyaNovoterskoye20Two police officers are killed in a shootout
with Islamic militants planning a major terror attack in Chechnya.
8/31/05AfghanistanHelmand10A cleric is beheaded by the Taliban for
participating in an election.
8/31/05IraqBaghdad736Sunni radicals stage three separate attacks on Shia
pilgrims, killing seven and injuring about three dozen.
8/31/05PakistanMastung13Muslim radical detonates a bomb on a city street,
killing a passerby and injuring three others.
8/31/05IndiaWusan Pattan10A campaign worker is shot to death by the
Mujahideen.
8/31/05ThailandYala11A rubber plantation worker is gunned down, and his
wife injured by Muslim terrorists.
8/31/05ThailandPattani11Islamic radicals spray a police checkpoint with
bullets, killing an officer and severely injuring his wife.
8/31/05ThailandSungai Kolok015Fifteen people are injured by six bombs set
by Muslim militants outside a hotel.
8/30/05ThailandNarathiwat10A former official is killed in front of a
school full of children by Muslim gunmen.
8/30/05ThailandNarathiwat10A Buddhist construction worker is murdered by
Islamists.
8/29/05ThailandNarathiwat10A cleric is gunned down by terrorists.
8/29/05ThailandYala10A guard protecting Buddhist monks is shot to death by
Muslim radicals.
8/29/05IraqMosul37Islamic insurgents "fight for freedom" by killing a
child with a missile that also injures seven other children, who are then
treated by U.S. soldiers. Elsewhere the bodies of a beheaded civilian and
a policeman are found.
8/28/05IsraelBeersheba08Eight Israelis are hospitalized by a Fatah suicide
bomber, including two guards that were seriously wounded.
8/28/05ThailandYala10An art teacher is murdered by Islamic
fundamentalists.
8/28/05KosovoStrpce20Two Serbian men are shot and killed in a terror
attack.
8/28/05ThailandNarathiwat10A former religious teacher is killed by
Islamists.
8/28/05PhilippinesLamitan229Thirty people are injured and two people,
including a child, are killed when Abu Sayyaf militants, disguised as
fishermen, bomb a ferry.
8/27/05EgyptHalal20Two Egyptians are killed in the Sinai, when Islamic
radicals detonate a landmine under their car.
8/27/05IraqMosul30Three members of a Sunni political party are kidnapped
and later killed in front of a mosque by men calling them "non-Muslims."
8/27/05AfghanistanUruzgan10A political candidate is murdered by the
Taliban.
8/27/05IraqMosul10A Christian is gunned down by Muslim militants.
8/27/05PakistanShawal21Islamic militants kill two Pakistani soldiers with
a bomb.
8/27/05KosovoUrosevac-Skopje22Two Christians are killed and two wounded
when Muslim gunmen attack their car.
8/27/05ThailandYala10A defense volunteer is killed by Muslim gunmen.
8/26/05IngushetiaNazran13An assassination attempt by Islamic militants
injures a prime minister and kills his bodyguard.
8/26/05IndiaKashmir418Several separate attacks across Kashmir by Muslim
terrorists leave four civilians dead and more than a dozen people injured.
8/26/05ThailandYala11Muslims shoot and kill a Buddhist man and also shoot
his paralyzed father as the two were watching TV.
8/26/05ThailandNarathiwat10Muslim militants murder a man on his way home.
8/25/05ThailandNarathiwat10A cattle farmer is murdered by Islamists.
8/25/05EgyptSinai22Islamic extremists attack a police patrol with an IED,
killing two members.
8/25/05AfghanistanLashkar Gah20A map-maker and a merchant are slaughtered
by Taliban extremists.
8/25/05IndonesiaAmbon07A bomb set by Muslim radicals in a Christian sector
of town injures seven people.
8/25/05IsraelJerusalem11A Palestinian stabs two young ultra-orthodox Jews
on the street, killing one of them and leaving the other badly injured.
8/25/05IraqOraida360The bodies of thirty-six men in civilian clothes are
found dumped in a remote area. They were handcuffed and executed.
8/25/05IraqAbu Saida615Six civilians, mostly elderly men, are murdered in
a café by militant Muslim gunmen, who enter at breakfast to gun down the
victims.
8/25/05IndiaThanna Mandi21A man and his son are shot to death by the
Mujahideen, while another family is injured in the attack.
8/24/05ThailandPattani10A man is shot to death by Muslim terrorists while
drinking tea with friends.
8/24/05IraqBaghdad935In at least four separate attacks, nine people are
killed by Jihadis and over thirty injured.
8/24/05ThailandNarathiwat20A teacher and a school guard are shot to death
by Muslim radicals.
8/24/05IndiaSrinagar07Seven people are injured when an Islamic militant
throws a grenade into the street.
8/23/05ThailandNarathiwat13Muslim gunmen kill a man in his pickup truck.
8/23/05IraqBaqubah719An al-Qaeda suicide bomber on foot slaughters seven
people and injures about twenty others.
8/23/05ThailandYala10A tour operator is murdered by Islamists.
8/22/05IngushetiaNazran23Muslims place a bomb near a gas pipeline. Two
civilians are killed in the explosion.
8/22/05ThailandNarathiwat10A power company employee is murdered by Islamic
radicals.
8/22/05IndiaKoteranka50Hizb-ul-Mujahideen kill three family members inside
their home. Two other civilians are abducted and killed in separate
incidents in Kashmir.
8/22/05IraqTarmiyah83Jihad gunmen spray a police van with bullets, killing
eight and injuring three. Casualties include civilians.
8/22/05IraqBaghdad80In four separate attacks across the country radical
Sunnis kill eight, including a married couple in their car, the owner of a
food shop and his son, and two truck drivers.
8/22/05IraqBaghdad26Two children are killed in a bombing by Islamic
terrorists. Six others are injured.
8/21/05AfghanistanDaychopan43The Taliban kill four American soldiers by
bombing a bridge as their Humvee is crossing it, then shelling the rescue
team.
8/21/05IngushetiaNazran12A 48-year-old passerby is killed by Islamic
militants in a remote-controlled bombing.
8/21/05AfghanistanPanjawyi20Sunni extremists kill two scholars.
8/21/05ThailandPattani815Islamic separatists kill eight people, mostly
civilians, in five separate attacks across the southern Thai provinces
using bombs and bullets.
8/21/05IraqFallujah45A terrorist bomb kills four Iraqis and injures five.
8/21/05IndiaSalbala10Jaish-e-Mohammed terrorists kidnap and kill a
civilian.
8/20/05DagestanMakhachkala31Islamic Jamaat claims responsibility for a
bombing that killed three policemen walking past a grove of trees.
8/19/05IndiaGogaldara10A man is gunned down in cold blood by the
Mujahideen.
8/19/05IraqMosul30Jihadi gunmen abduct three Sunni political workers that
were hanging posters urging people to vote. They are later made to stand
against a wall, where they are executed.
8/19/05JordanAqaba11A Jordanian soldier is killed by an al-Qaeda rocket
attack at a seaport.
8/19/05AlgeriaKechida60In a gruesome attack, Islamic fundamentalists knife
six hikers to death, including a woman.
8/18/05ThailandNarathiwat22A teacher and a policeman are shot dead by
Muslim militants in separate attacks.
8/18/05IndiaKashmir40In four separate attacks, the Mujahideen kill four
civilians, including a 75-year-old man and a 16-year-old boy.
8/18/05ChechnyaGrozny10A police officer is abducted and brutally slain by
the Mujahideen.
8/18/05IraqSamarrah40Islamic terrorists kill four U.S. soldiers with a
roadside bomb.
8/18/05IraqBaghdad20Jihadis murder a judge and his driver.
8/17/05IraqBaghdad4389Jihadis murder over forty people in three separate
car bombings that also leave about one-hundred injured. Most of the
victims were simply waiting at a bus stop or seeking medical treatment at
a hospital when they were targeted.
8/17/05IraqHawija60Six Iraqi recruits are pulled from a bus by Sunni
radicals and shot to death execution-style.
8/17/05AfghanistanKandahar111One person is killed, and eleven others
injured by a Taliban bus bomb.
8/17/05IndiaQazigund19An Indian guard is killed, and nine other people are
injured by a Mujahideen car bombing in a residential area.
8/17/05AlgeriaMozaya30Three civilians are killed when Islamic
fundamentalists attack their village.
8/17/05BangladeshDhaka2115The Jumatul Mujahedin take credit for hundreds
of synchronized blasts that kill two, including a 40-year-old rickshaw
puller. Over one-hundred others are injured.
8/15/05ChechnyaGrozny211Muslims target a restaurant with a car bomb,
killing a woman and a 12-year-old boy.
8/15/05IraqUwarige300The mass grave of thirty people, including two women,
is uncovered. The Fedayeen tortured the victims before executing them.
8/15/05IraqDura10'Holy Warriors' kidnap a Christian woman and then cut off
her head.
8/14/05ChechnyaRoshnichu52Four investigators are killed by Islamic
terrorists on their way to probe another murder that took place earlier in
the day.
8/14/05PakistanSialkot50Five family members lose their lives in an 'honor
killing.'
8/14/05ThailandNarathiwat22In three separate attacks, Muslim gunmen shoot
two Buddhist men at point-blank range as they are drinking tea. They also
shoot a 40-year-old woman by the side of the road and hack another woman
with a machete while she is working her garden.
8/14/05Iraqal-Mahawil25An Islamic suicide bomber kills two civilians and
injures five others.
8/13/05IndiaShajroo59Muslim militants attack a Hindu village in the middle
of the night, killing five people in their homes, including three Hindu
teenagers, and injuring at least nine others.
8/13/05ThailandNarathiwat20Two civilians are shot to death by Islamists.
8/13/05ThailandPattani02A man and his 13-year-old son are critically
wounded by Muslim gunmen.
8/12/05AfghanistanKandahar16A bomb explodes at a women's market, killing a
young child.
8/12/05IraqNajaf419Three children are among four civilians killed by a
bomb planted by radical Muslims near a mosque.
8/12/05IndiaKulhand20The Hizb-ul-Mujahideen attack a village and shoot two
teenage boys to death.
8/11/05PakistanLahore10Islamic radicals kidnap, torture and kill a
Catholic layman.
8/11/05AlgeriaSkikda34Muslim extremists kill three community guards and
injure four others.
8/11/05AfghanistanZabol20Two civilians are beheaded by Islamic extremists.
8/11/05IndiaKawani10An employee of an irrigation works project is abducted
and killed by the Mujahideen.
8/10/05IraqBaiji20Two oil pipeline security guards are shot to death by
Islamic terrorists.
8/10/05PhilippinesZamboanga026Abu Sayyaf behind two bombs that injure
twenty-six near a parked van and at a restaurant.
8/10/05AfghanistanBakurzai10The Taliban drag a poor, illiterate woman from
her house and shoot her to death.
8/10/05IraqGhazaliya614A suicidal Sunni detonates a car bomb near a group
of police, killing at least six, including four civilians. Fourteen suffer
injury.
8/10/05PakistanTaza Ghondai41al-Qaeda targets and kills four civilians
with a landmine.
8/10/05IndiaBandipore10The Mujahideen abduct and later kill a police
officer.
8/10/05ThailandNarathiwat10A rubber plantation owner is murdered by
Islamists.
8/10/05IraqBaghdad21Jihadis kill a 12-year-old girl's mother and
pharmacist father in an attack that also leaves her injured.
8/10/05PakistanQuetta20Muslim extremists kill two Shia civilians in
separate motorcycle attacks.
8/10/05ThailandYala10A school guard is murdered by Muslim terrorists on
his way to work.
8/9/05IndiaThanna Mandi10A shepherd is beaten to death by the Mujahideen.
8/9/05PakistanLahore10A Catholic layman is abducted and strangled to death
by Islamic fundamentalists.
8/9/05ThailandNarathiwat20Two civilians, including a school janitor, are
murdered separately by Islamic terrorists.
8/9/05IraqBaghdad2141At least six separate Jihad attacks, mostly on
civilians, leave over twenty Iraqis dead and more twice that many injured.
8/9/05ChechnyaKurdyukovskaya11A policeman is murdered in an attack by
Islamic terrorists.
8/9/05IraqBaiji45In a senseless attack, terrorists use a roadside bomb and
small arms fire to kill four U.S. soldiers investigating explosives.
8/9/05ThailandYala10A civilian is murdered by Islamists.
8/8/05ChechnyaGrozny12Militant Muslims spray a car with automatic weapons
fire, killing the parent of a young child, who was also severely injured
in the attack.
8/8/05AfghanistanGhanzi20The Taliban murder a doctor, on the grounds that
he was planning to run for public office. Another villager is killed as
well.
8/8/05IndiaBatalik30Three young girls are killed by a Mujahideen bomb.
8/8/05IndiaAwantipora20Two civilians are killed in a bomb blast outside a
shop.
8/8/05ThailandYala10A tractor mechanic is murdered by Muslim terrorists.
8/8/05PhilippinesBasilan10A cop is gunned down by Sunni terrorists.
8/8/05Iraqal-Sharqat73Seven civilians, including three children are
murdered when Islamic terrorists bomb a minibus.
8/7/05IraqBaghdad104In six separate attacks, Jihadi gunmen kill ten
Iraqis.
8/7/05IraqTikrit210Suicide bomber blows himself to Allah, taking two
Iraqis with him. Ten others are injured.
8/7/05IndiaThatharaka11The Mujahideen invade two residences, killing one
civilian and severely injuring another.
8/7/05ThailandNarathiwat10A man is shot to death by Muslims at a tea shop.
8/6/05ThailandYala10A man is murdered by Muslim terrorists as he leaves a
tea shop.
8/6/05IndiaDoda14The Mujahideen throw a grenade at a hostel, killing a
pregnant woman.
8/6/05AfghanistanMizan12The Taliban murder a civilian and kidnap two
others.
8/6/05PakistanKoti Ashro12al-Qaeda suspected in the attack on a highway
police checkpoint that leaves an officer dead.
8/5/05IraqDora15Jihadis open fire on a line of cars at a gas station,
killing one civilian.
8/5/05IraqMosul40The bodies of four civilians surface in Mosul with signs
of torture.
8/5/05IraqBaqubah30Muslim fanatics invade the home of an Iraqi soldier and
kill his wife, 12-year-old daughter and 6-year-old son in their beds.
8/4/05IraqBaqubah70A Fedayeen suicide bomber kills four Iraqis and injures
an unknown number of others.
8/4/05ThailandNarathiwat20A married couple is murdered in their orchard by
Islamists.
8/4/05IraqDoloyah20Jihadis shoot two engineers to death for working at a
U.S. base.
8/4/05PakistanMiranshah50al-Qaeda militants kill five Pakistani soldiers
with a landmine.
8/4/05AfghanistanLashkargah10The Taliban kill an election worker in an
attack from a motorcycle.
8/4/05ThailandNarathiwat10Muslim terrorists murder a school bus driver.
8/3/05ThailandYala10A civilian is murdered by armed Muslims.
8/3/05IsraelSderot19Palestinian terrorists fire a rocket at a group of
Israeli demonstrators. The missile hits their own group instead, killing a
3-year-old boy and injuring nine others, including five children.
8/3/05IraqHaditha151Fourteen U.S. Marines and one civilian are killed when
terrorists detonate a bomb under their vehicle.
8/3/05IraqBasra11Shia gunmen abduct and execute an American journalist.
They also cause severe injury to his female interpreter.
8/2/05ThailandNarathiwat24Muslim assailants kill two people in separate
attacks.
8/2/05IndiaPulwama10The Mujahideen kill a man who is working his paddy
fields.
8/2/05AfghanistanNuristan80The Taliban kill eight police in an attack on
their checkpoint.
8/2/05IraqBaghdad424An Islamic suicide bomber kills four civilians and
injures two dozen.
8/2/05IraqShu'la70Shia gunmen kill a Sunni cleric and his brother, then
gun down a vehicle carrying five mourners on their way to view the bodies.
8/2/05IndiaNandyali10A woman is shot to death by the Mujahideen inside her
home.
8/1/05AfghanistanGresk20Religious extremists gun down a policeman and his
young daughter.
7/31/05IraqHaswa712Seven civilians are killed by a Jihad car bombing.
7/31/05IndiaBadarkot10A civilian is shot to death inside his own home by
militant Muslims.
7/30/05AfghanistanCharchino30A district governor and his two bodyguards
are assassinated by the Taliban in a roadside attack.
7/30/05IndiaSrinagar225The Mujahideen stage an attack on a hotel that
claims the lives of two security personnel and injures about twenty-five
others.
7/30/05IraqBaghdad626A Fedayeen suicide bomber kills six Iraqis near a
theatre. Twenty-six others are injured.
7/30/05IraqBasra22A bomb attack on the British Embassy convoy leaves two
security guards dead and two children injured.
7/30/05IraqBaghdad30Police find the bodies of three airport workers, bound
and tortured by the Jihadis. Their throats were cut.
7/29/05AlgeriaBoumerdes24The Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat kill
two Algerian police officers in an ambush.
7/29/05IndiaKupwara20The Mujahideen invade a home to kill the wife of a
police officer, along with his young nephew.
7/29/05IndiaRajouri60Muslims line up five Hindu villagers and then slit
their throats. Elsewhere in the same district, they murder a woman with an
axe.
7/29/05ThailandPattani13A village leader is gunned down and three others
suffer injuries in a separate attack in Narathiwat.
7/29/05IraqRabiah5235A suicidal religious extremist wanders into a crowd
of people and detonates explosives strapped to his body, killing over
fifty people.
7/29/05BangladeshBoalmari20Two Christian charity workers are hacked to
death inside their home by hard-line Islamic militants, who chained the
doors shut to prevent their escape or rescue.
7/29/05ChechnyaGrozny11A cop is gunned down by Jihadis.
7/29/05IndiaDoda20Islamists kill two policemen in an ambush.
7/29/05AfghanistanGizab70The Taliban ambush and slaughter seven people.
7/28/05ThailandNarathiwat10Islamic terrorists kill a man as he is buying
candy for his children.
7/28/05IndiaSokar30A 5-year-old girl, her mother and grandmother are
slaughtered in a home invasion by the Mujahideen.
7/27/05ChechnyaGrozny10A cop is gunned down by Jihadis.
7/27/05ThailandSouthern Provinces51Five civilians are gunned down by
Islamic radicals in separate attacks.
7/27/05IraqBaghdad20al-Qaeda executes two Algerian diplomats that were
abducted several days earlier.
7/26/05AfghanistanKandahar20The Taliban kill a police chief and one other
with a rocket attack on their car.
7/26/05IndiaMahore10Hizb-ul-Mujahideen members invade a home and murder a
civilian.
7/26/05IraqBaghdad1627Sunni gunmen massacre sixteen Shia civilians with an
automatic weapons attack on their vehicles. Over two dozen are inured with
gunshot wounds.
7/26/05IraqHilla30Three policemen are killed when terrorists fire a rocket
at point-blank range.
7/26/05IraqBasra30In two separate attacks (one in Tikrit) Jihadis kill
three innocents, including a child and a truck driver.
7/26/05ChechnyaDargo13Muslim terrorists ambush a security patrol, killing
one and injuring three.
7/26/05EthiopiaJigjiga530A Muslim separatist group, the ONLF, kills five
people, including a child, in two grenade attacks against civilian
targets.
7/26/05ThailandNarathiwat10A school principal is murdered by Islamic
radicals.
7/26/05ThailandNarathiwat20Two civilians are killed in their motorcycle
shop.
7/25/05IraqBaghdad1216A Fedayeen suicide bomber drives his car in front of
a hotel and slaughters a dozen people. Sixteen others are injured.
7/25/05ThailandPattani10Islamists behead the son of a police officer.
7/24/05IraqBaghdad2230A horrific scene as a Fedayeen suicide bomber kills
twenty-two people, mostly civilians in a crowded area near sidewalk cafes.
7/24/05DagestanMakhachkala14Muslim terrorists put a bomb beneath a
passenger train that kills one and injures four commuters.
7/23/05IsraelKissufim25Palestinian gunmen murder an Israeli husband and
wife. They also open fire on medical rescue workers, injuring five of
them.
7/23/05ThailandNarathiwat10Islamic militants shoot a 58-year-old village
leader twice in the head as he is riding with his wife.
7/23/05LebanonBeirut012Twelve people are injured by a car bomb placed in a
Christian neighborhood.
7/23/05AfghanistanKandahar10The Taliban assassinate a judge as he is
walking to work.
7/23/05EgyptSharm el-Sheik88119More than eighty tourists and workers are
killed when Islamic militants detonate three powerful car bombs outside a
café and two hotels. One suicide bomber drove into the lobby. Over
one-hundred people suffer injuries.
7/23/05ThailandPattani10A Buddhist student is gunned down by Islamic
extremists.
7/23/05ChechnyaShelkovskaya10A forest director is killed in his home by
Jihad gunmen.
7/22/05ThailandPattani20Islamic terrorists kill two people in a shooting
ambush.
7/22/05IraqBaghdad125Four Jihad attacks leave twelve Iraqis dead,
including a senseless ambush on a wedding party that left the bride and
her mother dead.
7/22/05PakistanSouth Waziristan40al-Qaeda suspected in shooting deaths of
a tribal leader, his two sons and brother.
7/21/05IraqMahmudiyah58A religious extremist kills himself and five
innocents in a blast at a traffic checkpoint.
7/21/05IndiaSopore22Two civilians are killed when the Mujahideen attack a
security camp.
7/21/05IndiaAnantnag12Militant Muslims fire on a bus stop, killing a
civilian and injuring two others.
7/21/05AfghanistanHelmand20The Taliban ambush a vehicle carrying two
people. Both are killed in the explosion.
7/21/05AfghanistanKajran150Fifteen innocents are attacked and killed by
Taliban extremists in a three-day spree.
7/21/05ThailandNarathiwat20Two civilians are brutally murdered in separate
attacks.
7/20/05PakistanGilgit30Three people are gunned down in sectarian attacks.
7/20/05IraqBaghdad1021A suicidal Sunni murders ten people near an airport
and causes egregious injuries to at least a dozen others.
7/20/05IraqHilla44Two Jihad car bombings kill four and injure four,
including a young girl.
7/20/05IndiaSrinagar617Hizbul Mujahideen suicide bomber targets a
missionary children's school in the Indian capital, killing at least six
and injuring more than a dozen.
7/19/05IraqBaqubah130Jihadis stage a shooting attack on a minivan carrying
civilians, killing thirteen in all.
7/19/05ChechnyaZnamenskoye1436Fourteen people, including civilians, are
killed in a Jihad attack by Muslim separatists on a remote road.
7/19/05IndiaChitabas60The Hizbul Mujahideen enter a residence and
slaughter six members of a family, in a heinous attack.
7/19/05EthiopiaJigjiga10Islamic militants stop a bus and force the
Christians on it to repeat a Muslim creed and pray to Mecca. The one who
refuses to do so is shot to death.
7/18/05PakistanChilas Farm515Five passengers aboard a bus are killed when
the Mujahideen ambush it along a mountain road. Fifteen others are
injured.
7/18/05AfghanistanUruzgan90Nine villagers are slaughtered in a Taliban
raid.
7/18/05IndiaArwani11The Mujahideen shoot a man to death outside his shop.
7/18/05AfghanistanKamdish10Taliban extremists murder an electoral worker.
7/18/05PakistanQuetta11A Shia schoolteacher is gunned down, and his wife
critically injured.
7/18/05PakistanKarachi11A Sunni cleric is attacked in his car by Shia on
motorcycles, who manage to kill his son.
7/18/05IraqBaghdad70Islamic insurgents murder six policemen and a
government worker in six separate shooting attacks.
7/18/05ThailandYala31In three separate attacks, Muslims behead a farmer
and shoot at least two other people to death, including a school
principal.
7/17/05IraqBaghdad2221Four Fedayeen kill twenty-two people in separate
suicide bombings.
7/16/05IraqBasra32Muslim terrorists kill three British soldiers with a
roadside bomb.
7/16/05IndiaBaramulla20The Mujahideen shoot a man to death outside his
home, and also stage a separate attack that kills a 6-year-old girl.
7/16/05ThailandNarathiwat20Muslim separatists attack a school, killing two
security guards.
7/16/05IraqMusayyib71160A religious extremist with explosives wrapped
around his chest, detonates himself in a crowded city street, killing over
seventy other people. Nearly two-hundred others are injured in the
horrific attack.
7/15/05ThailandNarathiwat10A metal-shop owner is shot to death in a tea
shop by Islamists.
7/15/05ThailandPattani20Two civilians, including a taxi driver, are
murdered by Islamic terrorists.
7/15/05AfghanistanKandahar70Seven cops are brutally slain in a surprise
attack by religious extremists.
7/15/05ThailandNarathiwat20Two female teachers are gunned down by Muslims
on motorcycles as they are walking home.
7/15/05IraqBaghdad27100Seven suicide bombers take at least twenty-seven
innocents with them to Allah. About one hundred others suffer injuries;
many lose limbs.
7/14/05IsraelNetiv Haasara11Palestinian terrorists hit an Israeli
residence with a missile, killing a woman.
7/14/05ThailandYala221Islamic militants set off four bombs in restaurants
and other business areas, killing at least two people.
7/13/05IraqJalawlah216A suicide bomber kills two others inside a Sunni
mosque.
7/13/05PakistanJhal Magsi33Three children, including two brothers, are
killed by a homemade bomb.
7/13/05IndiaBigambri10The Mujahideen abduct a civilian, then kill him in
captivity.
7/13/05AfghanistanSafian10A civilian is shot to death by Sunni extremists.
7/13/05IraqBaghdad2725An Islamic suicide bomber deliberately plows his car
into a group of children, slaughtering at least twenty-seven. Children
were amply represented among the injured.
7/12/05ThailandPattani40Four civilians are murdered in separate attacks by
Muslim radicals.
7/12/05IraqKirkuk315Sunnis detonate a car bomb in an industrial district,
killing three civilians and injuring fifteen more.
7/12/05IsraelNetanya570The terror group, Islamic Jihad, takes credit for a
suicide bombing, in which a bomber kills five Jews crossing the street in
front of a mall. All of the victims were female, two were teenage girls.
About seventy others were injured.
7/12/05LebanonBeyrouth112Muslim terrorists target a Christian politician
with a bomb, but kill a civilian instead.
7/12/05AlgeriaAhnif20Two community guards are killed in separate attacks
by Islamic fundamentalists (Jijel).
7/11/05SomaliaMogadishu10al-Qaeda assassinates a Somali peace activist
outside his home.
7/11/05ThailandYala20Two village guards are killed in separate terror
attacks.
7/10/05IraqKirkuk415Suicidal Sunni kills four civilians on a highway, near
a hospital. Fifteen are injured in the blast.
7/10/05ThailandNarathiwat10A man is murdered in his grocery story by
Islamic radicals.
7/10/05IraqSyrian Border70Two Islamic suicide bombers kill seven customs
agents.
7/10/05AfghanistanDarreh-ye Nur20The Taliban murder two civilians in an
incendiary attack on their vehicle.
7/10/05IraqBaghdad2547A al-Qaeda suicide bomber blows himself to Allah,
taking twenty-five innocents with him. Nearly fifty others are injured.
7/9/05PakistanKarachi10A Shia cleric is gunned down on a street by
Pakistani Sunnis.
7/9/05AlgeriaTezi Ozo40A group of thirty Islamists set-up a fake
roadblock, then slaughter four Algerians that are fooled into stopping.
7/9/05IraqBaghdad80A family of eight Shia is gruesomely murdered by Sunni
radicals as they sleep in their home.
7/8/05IndiaRajouri40Four Indian soldiers are ambushed and killed by
Islamic militants.
7/8/05ThailandNarathiwat10Islamists fire on utility workers trimming
trees, killing one.
7/8/05AfghanistanPaktika20A man and his wife are murdered inside their
home by Sunni extremists.
7/7/05IraqBaghdad10al-Qaeda Organization for Holy War pronounces "Allah's
judgment" and kills a kidnapped Egyptian diplomat on video.
7/7/05IraqMosul552Five people at a market are killed when Sunni terrorists
lob more than a dozen mortar rounds into the square.
7/7/05AfghanistanHelmand100Ten Afghan police officers are captured by the
Taliban and senselessly beheaded.
7/7/05EnglandLondon52750Islamic terrorists massacre more than fifty
commuters on three separate subway trains and a double-decker bus on the
street with four suicide bombs. Over seven-hundred people are injured.
7/7/05AfghanistanSpin Boldak30Religious extremists blow up a passing
vehicle, killing three civilians.
7/6/05ThailandNarathiwat10A newspaper deliveryman is murdered by Muslim
radicals.
7/6/05ThailandPattani10A teacher is murdered by Islamists.
7/6/05IndiaBudgam10The Mujahideen kidnap a student from his classroom and
subsequently shoot him to death.
7/6/05AlgeriaSkikda113Islamic fundamentalists bomb a convoy, killing one
Algerian solider and injuring thirteen others.
7/6/05IraqJbala1330Thirteen civilians are slaughtered in twin suicide
bombings by Muslim extremists. About thirty others are injured.
7/6/05DagestanMakhachkala13Islamic militants open fire on a group of
policemen, killing one.
7/6/05ThailandNarathiwat10Muslims on motorcycles shoot a 52-year-old in
the neck and hand as he is riding to market.
7/6/05AlgeriaTizi Ouzou40Fundamentalists slit the throats of three
Algerian soldiers and a civilian.
7/5/05IndiaPulwama21In two separate home invasions, the Mujahideen shoot
two people to death and critically injure the wife of one.
7/5/05IraqBaghdad30Islamic extremists shoot three barbers to death for
shaving beards.
7/5/05ThailandPattani10A 44-year-old security force member is abducted and
beheaded by Islamists.
7/5/05DagestanMakhachkala20A prominent politician is assassinated, along
with his uncle, by suspected Islamists as they sit in their car at a
light.
7/4/05DagestanMakhachkala22Two policemen are killed by an insurgent
bombing.
7/4/05IndiaWagbal Karhama10A youth is abducted and hanged by the
Mujahideen.
7/4/05IraqFallujah39Three civilians are blown to bits, and nine others
badly injured by a Fedayeen suicide bombing on a busy road.
7/4/05AfghanistanBande Sardeh12A suicide bomber on a bicycle kills a
Turkish engineer and injures two others.
7/4/05IndiaDadsara10The Mujahideen abduct then shoot a civilian to death.
7/4/05AfghanistanRegistan20Two Afghan policemen are kidnapped and executed
by the Taliban.
7/4/05IraqBaghdad21Sunni insurgents kill a painting contractor, and
kidnap, torture and behead another man.
7/4/05IraqBaghdad24A remote-controlled bomb kills two civilians, including
a woman.
7/4/05ThailandYala10A civilian is murdered by Muslim jihadists.
7/3/05AfghanistanKandahar10Pro-democracy cleric is killed by a Taliban
sniper his home.
7/3/05SyriaDamascus20Two Syrian border patrol personnel are killed an
Islamic extremist, near Lebanon.
7/2/05AfghanistanPaktika62The Taliban attack a UN convoy with a roadside
bomb, killing six Afghan security personnel.
7/2/05DagestanMakhachkala1123Russian troops and civilians are casualties
in a radio-controlled bomb attack outside a bathhouse blamed on Islamic
militants.
7/2/05ThailandPattani20Two Buddhist villagers are murdered by Muslim
terrorists while drinking tea.
7/2/05ThailandPattani11Muslims fire on a policeman and his wife, killing
the man.
7/2/05IraqMahmudiyah20A bomb hidden in a vegetable cart targets a Shia
funeral procession.
7/2/05IraqHilla626Two Sunni suicide bombers kill at least six people and
injured dozens more in a Shia neighborhood.
7/2/05IraqBaghdad1622A suicidal Muslim bomber kills sixteen other people
outside a police station. About two dozen others are injured in the blast.
7/2/05ThailandPattani10A farmer is gunned down my Islamic radicals.
7/1/05IraqBaghdad10A Shiite cleric is gunned down in cold blood by Sunnis
in a drive-by attack.
7/1/05IndiaKashmir30Three civilians are abducted from their homes and
executed by the Mujahideen, including a 65-year-old man.
6/30/05Saudi ArabiaMecca10A security specialist is murdered by al-Qaeda as
he is leaving work.
6/30/05IndiaMahakund40The Mujahideen kill a 20-year-old girl on the night
before her wedding, along with her mother and a neighbor. A civilian is
also abducted from his home and killed in the same district.
6/30/05IraqBaghdad70Muslim gunmen burst into an optician's shop and kill
seven people in cold blood - four from the same family.
6/30/05AfghanistanTirin Kot91Nine village elders are kidnapped and killed
by the Taliban, along with a 10-year-old boy.
6/30/05ThailandYala10A civilian is murdered by Islamists as he is leaving
a market.
6/30/05IndiaKallar Kattal10A man is attacked in his home and beaten to
death by militant Muslims.
6/29/05IndiaSrinagar014Fourteen people are injured when the Mujahideen
toss a grenade into a city street.
6/29/05IsraelMount Dov13Hezbollah attacks an Israeli position from across
the Lebanese border, killing one and injuring three.
6/29/05ThailandPattani10A city councilman is killed by Muslim assassins.
6/29/05ThailandNarathiwat20Two people are murdered in separate attacks by
radical Muslims.
6/28/05IraqBaghdad424Four civilians are killed, and dozens injured when
fundamentalists detonate a car bomb outside a theater.
6/28/05ThailandYala10Islamic militants shoot a government worker to death
as he is walking along the side of the road.
6/28/05ThailandPattani20A janitor and a poultry trader are murdered in
separate attacks by Islamic militants on motorcycles.
6/28/05ThailandNarathiwat10A chicken vendor is murdered by Islamists.
6/28/05IraqMusayyib313A suicide bomber enters a hospital then detonates
his explosives, killing three other people.
6/28/05IraqBaghdad50An 87-year-old Iraqi politician and four others,
including his son, are killed by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
6/28/05IraqKirkuk30Sunni terrorists kill three oil company workers with a
roadside bomb.
6/28/05IraqTal Afar421Four people, including a child, lose their lives in
a Jihad mortar attack.
6/28/05IndiaBhaderwah40Four security personnel are killed by Muslim
militants in a shootout.
6/27/05IraqBaghdad30Islamic fundamentalists attack a barbershop, killing
two, including a 9-year-old boy, then blow up the building.
6/27/05IngushetiaKarabulak10Sunni extremists murder an engineer.
6/27/05IndiaKupwara10The Mujahideen abduct a woman from her home, torture
then murder her.
6/26/05IndiaDachabpore10The Mujahideen abduct a civilian from his home,
take him to an orchard and kill him in brutal fashion.
6/26/05IraqMosul3619Four bombings by suicidal Fedayeen in disguised
vehicles leave three dozen people dead and dozens more injured.
6/25/05IraqBaghdad57Sunni insurgents mortar bomb a crowded Shia café,
killing five civilians and injuring seven.
6/25/05IraqSamarrah916Suicide bomber slams into a residential
neighborhood, killing nine civilians and injuring sixteen.
6/25/05IraqMosul52Suicide bomber blows himself to Allah, taking five
innocents with him.
6/25/05ThailandYala20Two civilians, including a rubber worker, are
murdered by Muslims in separate attacks.
6/25/05IsraelBeit Hagai23A brutal shooting attack a point-blank range on a
group of Israeli teenagers, hitchhiking on a roadside, leaves a
17-year-old and a 16-year-old dead. Three others were injured. al-Aqsa
Martyrs Brigade take credit for the murder.
6/25/05IndiaBehibagh10A female schoolteacher is killed by the Mujahideen.
6/24/05ThailandYala20A man and his wife stop to remove a tree branch from
the road, when they are attacked by militant Muslims, who then cut off
their heads.
6/24/05IraqRamadi1310Eight policemen are captured at a checkpoint by
Jihadis, then executed. Two separate attacks elsewhere leave five others
dead.
6/24/05IndiaSrinagar925Nine people are killed when Islamic militants
detonate a powerful car bomb at a popular tourist attraction.
6/24/05ChechnyaShali-Makhety10A man is killed by a Muslim sniper.
6/24/05AfghanistanChora30The Taliban murder an election candidate and two
of his bodyguards.
6/24/05ThailandNarathiwat10A female school principal is murdered by
Islamic gunmen.
6/23/05AlgeriaAzzefoun15The Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat bombs
a police convoy, killing one officer.
6/23/05PakistanKarachi21Two Sunni clerics are assassinated in an attack
that leaves a boy injured.
6/23/05IraqBaghdad1760Four more car bombs aimed at Shia civilians kill
fifteen and injure over fifty in residential neighborhoods.
6/23/05IraqFallujah413A senseless attack on a U.S. Marine mail convoy
kills four, including three women.
6/23/05PakistanSouth Waziristan40Probable al-Qaeda ambush on a delivery
truck leaves four people dead.
6/22/05IndiaBijbehara017About seventeen people, including two teenage boys
are injured when the Mujahideen toss a grenade onto a road.
6/22/05ThailandNarathiwat07A bomb set off by Muslim extremists injures
seven, including two monks and three elderly people.
6/22/05IndiaNadihal20The Mujahideen abduct and kill two civilians by
slashing their throats.
6/22/05IraqBaghdad1846Eighteen Shiite civilians are slaughtered in three
separate bombing attacks by radical Sunnis. About fifty are injured.
6/22/05ThailandNarathiwat10Muslim extremists behead a 34-year-old cloth
vendor. The head is found 2km away.
6/22/05AlgeriaSkikda12A civilian is killed when Islamists put a bomb under
his vehicle.
6/21/05AfghanistanKandahar10A civilian is killed in an ambush by Taliban
gunmen.
6/21/05LebanonBeirut11An anti-Syria political leader is assassinated by a
car bomb in Lebanon.
6/21/05AfghanistanMaiwand11Taliban terrorists kill the husband of an
election worker.
6/20/05IndiaWatalar10Two Harkat-ul-Mujahideen terrorists assassinate a
local political figure.
6/20/05IraqEbril19118Three car bombs, at least one by a suicidal "holy
warrior," kill eighteen people, mostly Kurds, and injure over one-hundred.
6/20/05IsraelBaqa al-Sharqiya11Palestinian snipers kill an Israeli
civilian traveling in his car. His 13-year-old son is shot as well.
6/20/05ThailandPattani30Islamic militants invade a home and shoot three
young volunteer teachers to death.
6/19/05IraqTikrit39Fedayeen suicide bomber kills three Iraqis.
6/19/05IraqBaghdad2336A suicidal religious extremist walks into a
restaurant and blows up twenty-three innocent people. Another thirty-six
patrons are injured.
6/19/05IndiaDachan11The Mujahideen fire into a civilian's home, killing
his 14-year-old daughter and injuring his wife.
6/19/05IsraelGaza12The Palestinian terrorist group, Abu Rish Brigade,
takes credit for an ambush on a civilian labor group that leaves an
Israeli guard dead.
6/19/05AfghanistanNad Ali30The Taliban machine-gun a car with three
people, including a judge.
6/19/05IraqIskandariya37Sunni terrorists open fire on shoppers at a
marketplace, killing three and injuring seven.
6/19/05IranMashad20Two gay teenagers are hanged.
6/18/05Saudi ArabiaMakkah10Senior Saudi official is gunned down by
Islamists outside his home.
6/18/05IraqBaghdad30A 10-year-old girl is killed by a bomb and two bodies
are found, brutally executed.
6/17/05EgyptSinai13Islamic extremists gun down a cop.
6/17/05RussiaAstrakhan21Islamic gunmen are thought responsible for an
attack on a hospital, in which two patients were shot to death in their
beds.
6/17/05IraqFallujah148Fourteen Iraqis die when a suicide bomber detonates
an explosives laden car on a street corner.
6/17/05ThailandNarathiwat10A policeman is murdered by Islamists.
6/17/05ThailandPattani20A Laotian man and wife are beheaded on the chicken
farm where they work.
6/17/05ThailandYala10A school guard is beaten to death by radical Muslims.
6/16/05ThailandNarathiwat23Three separate attacks in the same Thai
province by militant Muslims leave two dead and three injured.
6/16/05IndiaAwantipora015Fifteen people, including a child and two women
are injured by the splinters of a grenade thrown by the Mujahideen on a
road.
6/16/05IraqMosul20Ansar al-Sunna terrorists shoot an Iraqi judge to death,
along with his driver.
6/15/05IndiaChaklas20The Mujahideen assassinate a veterinarian and also
set fire to another civilian's house, killing his 8-month-old daughter in
the flames.
6/15/05IraqKhalis2328A particularly heinous suicide bombing attack on
Iraqi soldiers eating lunch at their base leaves twenty-three dead and
about thirty injured.
6/15/05IraqBaghdad429A suicide bomber detonates near a market, murdering
four Iraqis and injuring twenty-nine others.
6/15/05AfghanistanKandahar10A man is cut to pieces by Taliban bullets.
6/15/05IraqRamadi50Five U.S. Marines are killed by a terrorist while
riding in their vehicle.
6/15/05ThailandPattani40Four people are murdered in three shooting attacks
by Islamic radicals.
6/14/05AfghanistanKhost70Taliban extremists walk into a medical clinic and
gun down a doctor and seven hospital workers in cold blood.
6/14/05IraqBaqubah64Suicide bomber kills six Iraqis, including two
children and injures four others.
6/14/05IraqKirkuk1989A Fedayeen suicide bomber wades into a crowd of
people shopping in a market and kills nineteen, including children, and
injures about ninety others in an egregious and senseless attack.
6/13/05IndiaPulwama13100At least thirteen people are slaughtered, and over
one hundred injured when the Mujahideen set off a truck bomb near a
school. Many schoolchildren are among the casualties.
6/13/05AlgeriaKhadirat El Nukta46Armed fundamentalists stage a shooting
attack on a group of people, killing at least four.
6/13/05ThailandNarathiwat13Islamic radicals plant a bomb in a garbage
truck, killing one of the workers and injuring several more.
6/13/05ThailandPattani11Two Buddhist twin brothers are shot by Islamic
terrorists as they are riding home from school. One dies.
6/12/05IranAhvaz874Four women are among eight dead in a series of bomb
blasts.
6/12/05RussiaUzunova015Fifteen people are injured when a bomb believed to
be planted by Chechen terrorists derails a commuter train
6/12/05IraqBaghdad34Three people are killed, and at least four injured in
two separate suicide blasts.
6/12/05AfghanistanKandahar14The Taliban kill a woman with a landmine. The
blast injures her two children and two other women.
6/11/05IraqDiyara112Jihad gunmen open fire on a bus carrying construction
laborers, killing eleven in the brutal attack and injuring two.
6/11/05IraqBaghdad100Ten people are slaughtered by a Sunni bomb in a Shia
neighborhood, including a pregnant woman and her husband.
6/11/05IraqNajaf23A bomb planted in a Shia cemetery kills two people,
including an 8-year-old girl, and injures three others, all from the same
family.
6/11/05ThailandNarathiwat10Muslims murder a 49-year-old Buddhist
construction worker on his way to work.
6/10/05ThailandNarathiwat20Two separate shooting attacks by Muslim
militants leave two, including a Buddhist, dead.
6/10/05IraqBasra20A policeman and his brother are shot to death by Jihadis
while riding in their car.
6/9/05IraqHaqlaniya50Five U.S. Marines are killed in a terrorist bombing.
6/9/05ThailandYala10A Buddhist teenager is shot in the head by Muslim
separatists.
6/9/05ChechnyaTver71Seven Chechen police officers are killed when
Mujahideen rebels fire a grenade launcher at their car.
6/9/05IraqKirkuk20Two Iraqis are killed in a Jihad attack on their
vehicle.
6/9/05IraqQaim170The bodies of seventeen Iraqi Shiites are discovered
bound and executed. Some were beheaded.
6/9/05SyriaDamascus11Two Syrian security force personnel are shot by
religious extremists as they are attempting an arrest.
6/8/05AfghanistanShkin28al-Qaeda terrorists shoot rockets at American
soldiers unloading supplies, killing two.
6/7/05AlgeriaM'sila136Militants fighting for an Islamic state kill
thirteen soldiers in a bombing attack on their truck.
6/7/05IraqHawija1838Militant Sunnis kill eighteen Iraqi civilians in a
series of four suicide bombings and other attacks.
6/7/05AfghanistanSpin Boldak20Two Pakistani truck drivers are mur