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It has been said no matter what color of skin we get, our blood is all the same. We know what close intermarriage does to families, now we need to accept that blood intermarriage is in all the Mis-bred Genetic makeup of all Humans.

The root cause is the male member, called the Devil or the Snake in the Garden of Eden.

Now that we are back to the High Tech Reproduction of Humans, in a dish, without the sex act, we should understand Adam and Eve were made by High Tech Pure-bred reproduction.

All this Blood Intermarriage has come to a head today and Mis-bred Humans have covered their Home with nuclear bombs that could blow up our planet. Will this do away with this Fallen Human Spies, or will we understand why this is going on, and stop all Mis-bred Body Birth, and turn our High Tech from nuclear bombs and Killing, to Life, and make a High Tech Womb for further reproduction. We should stop Killing all Life on the Planet and our Eco System, immediately.

I forgot to sign my name for my housecleaning comments.

I hope a 12 year old and all of his generation can correct what we have done to our Home planet.
Our God that created Life on the planet, put Humans in charge of the creation to be Caretkaers, not Killers. How are we doing?

We have filthy dumps on land and sea, we have oil spills and nuclear bombs on land and sea. Christians that are supposed to be following Jesus and turn the other cheek, have started a pre-emptive war in Iraq. Is this how Humans were to take Care of God's creation?

Is it Time to start cleaning up our Home, for the expected visitors from Space, before we blow up the planet?

Saying or praying for Peace, when there is no peace, will not change Humans from Killers to Caretakers. Only Knowledge and Uniting will.

Peace.

ARE ANY OF YOU AWARE THAT YOU ARE RESPONDING TO A 12 YEAR OLDS QUESTION?

PLEASE HAVE SOME CONSIDERATION- THERE ARE OTHER PLACES YOU CAN EXPRESS SOME IDEAS-

ALL I CAN SAY IS I HOPE HIS PARENTS ARE MODERATING AND EXPLAINING TO HIM THAT MANY PEOPLE HAVE MANY IDEAS AND HES INTELLIGENT ENOUGH NOT TO ACCEPT SOMETHING SIMPLY BECAUSE ITS PRINTED.

Bill L.
I know I sound looney, especially saying the sex act that reproduced Genetially Mis-bred people, is the cause of all our problems on Earth. Especially during a sexual revolution.

But today, we do know about High Tech Colonization and can reproduce a fetus and correct some Genetic diseases, in a High Tech Science lab dish, and do not need the sex act to reproduce any more. We just do not have the High Tech Womb, so we still use defective fetus' in the female womb. This still causes Misbred Genetic bodies and death to the female and the child.

High Tech Science is the key to understanding the Truth about how Life started on Earth. It did not evolve. The supernatural Creation was High Tech Science Colonization, using Intelligent Design. If Man still wants to call the High Tech Scienc Colonization, supernatural so be it. High Tech Science is 'super'natural.

Religion and Myth will be explained as the Truth of Life on Earth, by a High Tech Science translation, maybe not today, but it is in the future. Too bad we are not ready for this until we get further along in our destruction of our Home Earth. I think we are in the Last Days, and all these supernatural religious and myth mysteries will be explained.

Be prepared for the Fall of the USA, the last Big power country that falls in Revelation in the Bible. If we go into Iran, it may cause the financial fall of USA. It may even be caused by the expense of Iraq. How many billions a day can we support?

Peace.

Bill L,

You wrote:

"Norrie, St. Paul a Roman double agent? They beheaded him because....? Where do you get you history lessons from? Mad Magazine?"

No, Bill, I get my history from historians. Consider:

First, Saul of Tarsus (later St. Paul) was a persecutor and killer of Christians. Then, after the unexplained Damascus Road switcheroo, he supposedly became a Christian, but as a "Christian", he pushed Jesus's brother, James, the leader of the Christian community in Jerusalem, aside.

By his preaching and writing (his writings comprise 25% of the New Testament - and he never knew Jesus) Paul turned what was Christ's Jewish church into a Greco-Roman organization, with Roman organizational forms. This had the result of transforming what was potentially a radical Jewish religious insurgency, troublesome to Rome, into an organization that ultimately became the servant of the Roman state.

To check this out look up "Pauline Christianity" and see how it differs from the pre-Pauline "Jesus Religion."

The circumstances of Paul's death are not really known. One tradition holds that he was beheaded in Rome, after living there comfortably for two years; another tradition holds that he sailed to Spain and was not heard from again.

If the Romans did kill him, that doesn't mean he wasn't their (double) agent. How many Soviet spies were recalled to Moscow and executed when they had outlived their usefulness? Lots.

Yours for the Jesus Religion (which is NOT "Christianity")

Bill L ('L' for loon?)

So I have to be Homosexual to care if MUSLIMS...in MUSLIM socities...UNDER ISLAMIC SHARIA LAW...in the 21st century...STILL EXECUTE HOMOSEXUALS??

Could I not just be a person who thinks that is barbaric (as all facets of that fetid stench called Islam are) to hang a person for who they sleep with?

Am I Gay?
Am I not?
Does it matter?
Surely my point is (IF you are NOT a Bible thumping, Qu'ran humping bigotted, sadistic, psychotic FREAK) is that everyone, no matter what their sexuality, should be sickened at such socially/legally/religiously acceptable atrocities.

I'm not Black either but I find the past atrocities of the KKK barabaric.

I'm not a woman either, but I find the genital mutilation, rapes, forced marriages of women and children and stoning to death of women barbaric too.

You see that's because I'm simply a human being, and can see right from wrong, and you are simply a religious robot with no sense of identity and no thoughts away from your fantasy religious delusion.
See the difference?

If I was Gay I would say I was. Nothing wrong with being Gay in the slightest. But the point is such Islamic atrocities should be the concern of all right-minded people, Gay, Straight, Bi-Sexual whatever.
Dear me.

ASIM:
I don't care about the past! I don't live in the past (unlike Islamists) I live in the 21st century.
Western/Christian/Secular society learns from the past and evolves.
YOU do not.

It's no surprise yoe mention 'two world wars', afterall you obviously think Hitler should have been allowed to carry on murdering the Jews, conquering lands and spreading his doctrine...BECAUSE ISLAMISTS ARE PRETTY MUCH OF THE SAME MIND-SET!
By the way...Muslim had their own Waffen SS Division and many died defending Hitler's bunker.

Japan?
Well Japan STARTED a war of aggression against America.
Japan used biological weapons on Chinese civilians.
Japan was possible months away from launching a biological attack on the American maninland.
Japan (like your good Muslim selves today) used suicide attacks.
Japan carried out barabaric experiments on Chinese men, women and children.
Japanese were indoctrinated to fight to the last man and never surrender....
So actually your bleeding heart crud about atomic bombs is just that. Crud.
The bombs probaly saved more lives than they took simply because to fight our way into Japan, in the homeland of a no surrender/fanatic enemy, would have cost far more.

And for every Bosnia I could drum up an example of Muslim against non-Muslim aggression.
(by the way it was The West that came to your aid).

Everything else is ancient history (again you throw out an ANCIENT example of forced converstion by Christians...I CAN...as in Somalia, via bullet, bomb and mass rape...counter with a MODERN Islamic example.

You see WE and our societies (and even our religions) EVOLVE AND BETTER THEMSELVES. Islam refuses to evolve in any way.

Ryan, I'm sorry you have to see all this junk. It's only the tip of the iceberg! Prepare yourselve for the barrage you meet when you come out into the world. Your parents will do their best to guide you right. Look to them.

David Brock, I understand many of you homosexuals have been mercilessly attacked and are angry, but please try to mellow.

Norrie, St. Paul a Roman double agent? They beheaded him because....? Where do you get you history lessons from? Mad Magazine?

Dolores, quick, run, the guys in the white suits are comming!

This is all of you..

"God does this and that, why o why??? God is this and that, AND God is supposed be that and the other thing!!! Woe on us for believing (or not)!!"

whine, whine, whine

I would suppose by definition alone God can (and probably does) anything God wants to do whether you all approve or not.

God probably ignores the bible, koran, torah and the republican party all the time and probably at the same time, since God is God afterall and can do whatever God wants to do.

The only thing worse than a true believer (ie Victoria) is an atheist (ie David Brock). You both are as tiresome as anyone can be.

DB, for an atheist, you do preach and pontificate more than your share.

Victoria,
Your post is a well-articulated reflection of Islam's position on women. I know there is a lot more to be said about the subject but I suspect you opted to respect the forum-time and space.

At least two main factors feed the misconceptions about Islam:

1// Confusing Authentic Islam with cultural varities, deviations and some times male chauvinism invariably existing in Muslim societies which have nothing to do with Islam-and that is the fault of Muslims; Muslims and non-Muslims sincerely seeking to know Islam's position on women need to look at the decent, respectful and humane ways The Prophet treated women and not how some literalist Muslims treat them-who exist in all religions and cultures.

2// Deliberate Islam Bashing at every turn in the west especially post 9/11 by some media and some groups such as the Israeli lobby-to justify Israel’s brutal 60-year occupation of Palestine and its tormenting of the occupied Palestinians; and the neo-cons and evangelicals who want to justify the destruction of Iraq and the killing of thousands of Americans and countless number of Iraqis; the two groups are tightly connected: Israel’s zealot supporters were the most vociferous in promoting the war on Iraq to enhance Israelis hegemony farther in the M.E. region;

Dave Brock,

Your ignorance of Islam is profound and self-evident; your arrogance and intolerance is even worse. The Quran states unequivocally that: "No Compulsion in Religion." In other words, Faith must and can only come out of deepest inner human convictions.

You say Islam is a threat to the world? Muslims were decimated in Bosnia, Chechnya, Kashmir, Palestine and Iraq? So whose is the threat to world peace or do you live on Mars?
Did Muslims start two world wars? Did Muslims drop nuclear bombs on Japanese civilians? Did Muslims convert by the sword the whole continent of South America and essentially destroyed its indigenous religions and cultures?

On Diversity, just read the history of Islam in Spain which pre-dates America itself: There is so much to be learned form 800 years of multi-cultural, multi-religious, peaceful co-existence under Islamic rule between Muslims, Christians and Jews in Spain in such a unique human and cultural synergy resulting in a brilliant contribution to human civilization until it was destroyed by the Catholic Church thru the imposing of the brutal Inquisition including the forceful conversions of both Muslims and Jews before and after 1492.

I suggest you take a an honest and sincere look at an authentic translation of the Quran-such as that by the Islamic scholar Abdullah Yousef Ali,avialble at many libraries including the Library of Congress or a an Islamic Center/Mosque near you.

I accidently entered this without my name and I was not finished.
"RELATIONSHIPS: Not in the mood for love?" Enough already of the "I have a headache" excuse. The February issue of 'Good Housekeeping tells married couples how to get recharged in the bedroom."
Sex is not 'making love', but flesh lust. High Tech Science reproduction makes the Higher Nature Pure-bred Humans. Body Birth makes the Lower Nature Mis-bred Humans, who also use pleasure sex for love, which also reproduces Mis-bred Humans. Only Gay pleasure sex acts do not reproduce people.

Also in the Star: "Vaginal deliveries linked to bleeding" - "A quarter of babies born vaginally suffer small hemorrhages in their brains, according to researchers who performed the first high-resolution magnetic resonance imaging studies on healthy newborns. The bleeding, perhaps from compression of the head during delivery, heals quickly, the team reproted Monday in the online version of the journal 'Radiology', and most likely does not produce long-term effects. - No bleeding was observed during Caesarean deliveries, but the authors cautioned that this should not be taken as an argument to support C-sections."

So Heterosexual Body Birth is not the Original Way Perfect Humans were reproduced on Earth. We now have the High Tech Science to join the egg and sperm in a dish, remove some Genetic Diseases, and then insert the fetus into the female womb. The sex act is not needed anymore for reproduction.

So it is time to stop Mis-bred Body Birth and put our resources into High Tech Science reproduction instead of Nuclear Bombs that Kill the Life that we give Life to. Killing our Brothers/Sisters of Life after they are born, in hate and war, is just as bad, than Killing Life in the womb. Too bad Humans do not get as upset in war killing, as they do about abortion and stem cell research.

It is time to understand about the Inequality of the female, since the High Tech Science Pure-bred Asexual Humans 'fell' to Heterosexual Body Birth, the Original Sin, and return to High Tech Science Asexual Pure-bred reproduction, and Equality and Eternal Physical Life After Birth for All.

Humans keep looking for Peace and there is no Peace in a Heterosexual Birth Society.

Peace and Jesus' Asexual Agape Love to you and all.

Ryan.

In the beginning, God made Adam in a Pure-bred Perfect Pure-bred Genetic Body and then took Adam's rib and made Eve. Today we call that Cloning. Adam and Eve were not the only Clones, they were a Colony. They were created by High Tech Science, and were helpmeets, not mates. Why they started to reproduce by Body Birth is not known, but this started all the Divisions of people, Disease and Genetic Diseases, and Death because of Mis-breeding.

The God that made the Colony is called a supernatural God that looked like Man. This God was our High Tech Science Ancestors that also Colonized Earth with High Tech Science, about which we also know about today. The Man Gods and Angels are our Ancestors that Colonize planets with Pure-bred Physical Life and they keep their Bodies Pure-bred with Science and Live Forever in Physical Bodies.

After Body Birth, the Bible has the Curses to the male and female, and ever since the female has been subjected to the male for reproduction. Since then pleasure sex also began, and many problems on Earth are the result, such as all the other sexual orientations, rape, pedophiles, killers, robbers, etc. No one has control of what their Mis-bred genetic are that they inherit from both parents, or the environment that they are born in. So all the problems on Earth are from the Mis-breeding of Heterosexual Body Birth.

Then all the pleasure sex gadgets, pornography, are used to help with the flesh lusts. In the Kansas City Star newspaper, 1/29/07. "RELATIONSHIPS:

David Brock is not alone. I also advise young Ryan to reject the hatred, bigotry and intolerance of religion and, instead, use his obviously functioning brain to figure things out on his own. If Ryan had asked this excellent question during the Inquisition, he would have been tortured and burned at the stake.

OK Dave Brock, here's real arrogance for you.

All Hail Dave Brock, for whom if their is a Deity, he must prove himself to Dave. Yes, any Deity out there must prove himselef to Dave, because Dave is just that high!

You own arrogance cannot be exceeded Sir.

---to you and any one else who would advise a 12 year old to look away from God, Heaven help you.----

Yeah...you Bible thumper you, I do call THAT arrogance.

Why would Ryan be worse off by not believing in a supernatural something you can't remotely prove in any way at all?

I might as well say Ryan had better believe in the Pink Fairy King if he wants to grow up a good and happy man!!
What you say is THAT stupid.

Dave Brock: I understand your push back at me from your atheist frame of mind. Say what you want but you mistake my knowledge for arrogance. Ooo my knowledge for arrogance! Did it again. And I will do it all day long Mister. I guess you need for God to just reach down and smack you in the face to prove his existence.

You must be less than 12 years old, and so you haven't seen enough of life to know that God exists. Bye.

Ryan,

In case you haven't come across it in your studies, I thought you might like to read "Shine, Perishing Republic", published in 1924 by the American poet Robinson Jeffers.

Many Americans today have the same view of the United States that he had back then.

The last stanza refers to Jesus, which I thought might interest you.

***********

Shine, Perishing Republic

While this America settles in the mould of its vulgarity, heavily thickening
to empire,
And protest, only a bubble in the molten mass, pops and sighs out, and the
mass hardens,
I sadly smiling remember that the flower fades to make fruit, the fruit rots
to make earth.
Out of the mother; and through the spring exultances, ripeness and decadence;
and home to the mother.

You making haste, haste on decay: not blameworthy; life is good, be it
stubbornly long or suddenly
A mortal splendor: meteors are not needed less than mountains:
shine, perishing republic.
But for my children, I would have them keep their distance from the
thickening center; corruption
Never has been compulsory, when the cities lie at the monster's feet there
are left the mountains.

And boys, be in nothing so moderate as in love of man, a clever servant,
insufferable master.
There is the trap that catches noblest spirits, that caught -- they say --
God, when he walked on earth.

-- Robinson Jeffers

Yeah right...because without belief in an unproven supernatural entity Ryan will grow up to be a heartless, loveless, passionless, unhappy, empty shell of man!

What a joke! Do you Bible thumping, Qu'ran humping loons actually listen to the garbage you spew out?

Hey, Michael in Bowie, Why don't you and your God get over yourselves!!!
Is arrogance a deadly sin? As you sure as hell have a lot of arrogance Michael.

Ryan, its hard to believe that you are only 12. You are very smart. I wish I were able to get Scotty to beam a bottle of Tylenol over to you but I think I need it all. There is a lot of painful commentary here.

Bill L you are on point. Dave Brock and Betty, uh never mind....too much to say. Well maybe one word: Yikes!

James, you say "times have changed and so one no longer has to believe in God?" James, to you and any one else who would advise a 12 year old to look away from God, Heaven help you. You are way over the top. Feeling any heat around about the soul? Got a soul?

---I love secularism; it proclaims live and let live in areas of faith.---

No, it does not.
It proclaims live and let live as long as you keep your faith to yourself in your home and in your places of worship (and even then to ensure it does not proclaim that homosexuals and converst should be killed!!) and not to shive it into other people's faces or into schools and governments!
Which is EXACTLY what almost all these religions do!

So you don't even know what Seculariam is.

And to clarify...faith is what's in a person.
So perhaps Center (or is that you) should have really said 'a bet you're mean and nasty to other religions'.
AND YES...as far as religions go (which are made by, and made up of, people!!) when they are homophobic, prejudiced and sexist YES I AM NASTY.

Brock, you say: Am I mean and nasty to other faiths??

One can not be nasty and mean to faiths; faiths have no feelings; people have feelings. You were mean and nasty to another member on the board for believing in a faith different from what you believe. You attached her; are you some kind of a self appointed morality and thought police! You are so intolerant, I would mistake you for a Rock not a Brock.
You must like to be the center of attention--even if it is negative attention.

I love secularism; it proclaims live and let live in areas of faith.

That we still, in the 21st century, have ANY countries and ANY people being run, governed, controlled and dictated to by ANY religion is a sad joke indeed.

The fact such cave-man superstition is actually GROWING is breathtaking in it's (dangerous) idiocy.

Hopefully Ryan will see that.

Ryan,
I asked alot of the same questions.....I think everyone does.
Keep asking and seeking until you know in your heart that you have found the truth. Just make sure in all your seeking that you take time to seek wise counsel from those around you who love you and also spend time alone, listening to what answers God sends your way. He really will help you if you seek to know Him.
Also, there are a couple of books out there that were written by one of the leaders at Charisma magazine called'Ten lies the church tells women' and it's sequel. It explains alot of church history and belief's in regards to women. Hope this helps and don't give up! Peace

Am I mean and nasty to other faiths??

Hmmm.......When they are homophobic, prejudiced and sexist YES I AM.

But the fact is the greatest threat to the free world (AND INDEED MANY OTHER MINORITIES AND FAITHS) is Islam.
So Islam is in the sights of every right thinking human being who does not want to see women stoned, homosexuals hung and converts be-headed on our streets.
And on that point....

You avoided the question with bad humour.
Does Islam decree death and/or imprisonment for those who dare to convert away from Islam?
I know the answer. It seems you do too...but as with all Islamists you never admit to the dark truth of your most backwards of religions.

You try to call me unevolved and ancient when you believe in laughable supernatural hocus pocus and supernatural beings (for which there is not a single scrap of proof)?

The hypocrisy of the devout knows no bounds.

----You hate diversity----

Not at all. I love diversity.
And as such it's yet more laughable hypocrisy for an Islamist to even mention diversity!!! AS ISLAM ALLOWS NONE!

Hopefully Ryan is more EVOLVED in his thinking than you 'center'

Brock,'Am I wrong about you arresting and often executing converts?'

When I 'arrest converts', I don't execute them; I give them 'crackers'. I would not accept you to be a convert simply because you are very close minded.
Think about the way you spewed hate toward Victoria* simply because (I believe) she said some positive things about Islam. You hate diversity; you use Islamism as a cover to be mean and nasty to other faiths. How do you know that Victoria is not your ordinary Muslim who has a faith but is busy working and making a living.
It is one thing to oppose Islamism (an ideology), it is another thing to show hate toward Islam, Christianity, etc.
You are up to your ears in animus.

(Sorry Victoria to use your name here...hope it is for a good cause: spread light to the likes of Brocks)

---or is it that you just stopped evolving?----

Evolution? Something I think even hardline religions like Catholicism has done. As has Western society in general.
Something Islam and the countries in it's shadow have never done.

So...Am I wrong about you arresting and often executing converts?
Or is your mouth just big but your fetid Islamist hypcrisy even bigger?

Ryan is from my neck of the woods, and I'm glad to see someone of his age asking questions about religious doctrine. Regardless of what he eventually chooses to believe, I hope he never lets anyone tell him what to believe.

Victoria, you rock.

Brock: are you an ancient creation or is it that you just stopped evolving?

This is the question I ask in sunday school at your age If god didnot create Discrimination than why did he allow it to happen for so long. At which the priest trying to convince a class of girl that christianity was still viable in the modern world. Told my mother I needed to read more christian based literature.

Ryan
Yes, as victoria notes, (love your Victoria,I really do)
you are still 12 year old

but you understand the value of exploration
and open mindedness.

The great religious scholar from Yale,
Harold Bloom
in his book (his 465th) Jesus and Yahweh
noted
"There are NO verifiable facts about Jesus of Nazareth."

as Norrie notes, all we know about jesus
comes from the gospels
written 30 or 49
years after Jesus's death by people who
NEVER met him
or ST Paul
who even more so
never met him
and was a religious entrepreneur
and no friend of women.

Turning Jesus (who Probably existed)
into The Christ (OUR savior)
was entirely a man made enterprise.
Nothing to do with "God."
Nothing to do with anything Jesus Wrote
or testified to HIMSELF.

Beware of received knowledge Ryan,
and the rest of us.

It is a mutually believed MYTH
rather than TRUTH

Myths have lots of value
but only if read metaphorically
Ryan - you probably know what that means by now
but in any case, you can look it up.

Love you Victoria. Are you married?

First of all great name. Great Question!
I am writing to you as a Christian and I want to focus on the person of Christ. Jesus Christ which is the center of the Christian faith did not treat women as lesser human beings. I just want to give you a short story of what Jesus did for men as well as women.
Because of all of our mess ups we have separated ourselves from God who is perfect.
So, How can we be with God if he is perfect? We can not do anything to deserve to be in his presence.
But you what. There was soemone who lived a perfect life without any mess ups, and that was Jesus Christ. So you know what Jesus did. He died on the Cross, and was punished by God for our messups, so that all how accept him as lord and saviour are looked upon by God with no mess ups.
Ryan, Jesus Chirst died for WOMEN and men.
He died for you.
That is the ultimate sacrifice he could have done for all of people.

Yes Victoria. Like all of your views.

Afterall if Ryan converts to your religion he better not want to leave it again any time soon.
Islam does still arrest and execute converts does it not?
Ah! Good. I thought it did.

Ryan...IF you must join one of these man-made religious edifices at least make it one you can get out of again with your head still attached to your body.

PLEASE REMEBER EVERYONE, RYAN IS 12 YEARS OLD AND SOME VIEWS MAY NOT BE SO APPROPRIATE

Ryan, any law made by a loving God is obviously for our own good.

Who would cause you to question God when you do not understand why laws that harm any person were made?

Would things have been different if Jesus had been a woman? Yes, of course. At the time that Jesus lived, women were not allowed to speak in public. So words like,

"Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled." Matt. 5:6

would never have been spoken or recorded.

Blaming Eve for the errors in the Garden of Eden is not biblical -- it's not found in the bible. If you read your bible in Genesis you will see that when God became angry at Adam and Eve, he handed out punishments to everyone involved, even the serpent.

Remember as you grow that it is humans that hate, and they can hate for any reason. There are even people who will hate you just because you're happy and they aren't. Can you imagine such a thing?

----God created the Church ----

No. Man did. Every facet of it.
From the actual buildings, to the costumes, to the books, to the laws.

After all if God 'created' something as totally corrupt (both morally, politically and financially) as The Vatican 'He' must be an equally corrupt complete bast@rd, don't you think?
After all supposedly God calls those very Priests that end up raping boys even younger than Ryan, while the rest of that vile edifice covers it all up for them.
Nice choice of followers God!

Ryan...Avoid the nutters and the fantasists from all religions and especially (as Islam is by far the worst of a bad bunch) the Islamic apologists and requiters like Victoria.

Like I said...
It's either ALL man-made so pointless.
OR
It is the work of a God and if so it must indeed be a most unpleasant God.

Either way the only thing to do is avoid it all.

You don't need some fantasy 'God' or some sexist, homophobic, zealot Priest, Bishop or Cleric to grow up as, and act as, a good person.

You don't need a religion to know right from wrong.

You don't need a religion to make you a good person to your fellow man (even thise Gay men whom every religion hates).

And you don't need some dusty old books full of dusty old words (that never agree on anything) preached by even dustier men... TO BE YOURSELF.

So break free and be your own man and not a man moulded by OTHER men and their supernatural delusions.

A High Tech Science translation of the Creation of Adam and Eve.

God made Adam and then made Eve a copy of Adam with his rib. This made Adam and Eve, Equal male and female clones Helpmeets, not mates. They were not to reproduce by Body Birth. They were made Perfect supernatually in a High Tech Womb. High Tech Science is 'super'natural.

High Tech Science was used, by our Human High Tech Ancestors to Create/Colonize Life on Planet Earth. We are in their image. The Lord or Man Gods were not God. They are, and did, reproduce Equal Clones, male and female, and did reproduce many Clones 'in the beginning' in the High Tech Lab in the Garden of Eden.

The other 'perfect, other half/mate cannot be found in Body Birth Reproduction with different genetic makeup. That is why Fallen Man keeps trying other parteners in sex and marriage, looking for their Better Half. Perfect Half Mates do not have sex or marriage, other clones are reproducted by High Tech Science to make up Society.

I do not have the reason why the Adam and Eve Clone decided to make a child by Body, but they did and the result was Mis-bred Humans and Cain killed Abel, and Man set out to Kill their Brothers/Sisters of Life and their Eco System. From then on the female has been subjected to the male to reproduce the Life on Earth. The curses to the male and female are in the Bible.

Then Death, Division and Disease began on Earth and Fallen Man has been Killing Brothers/Sisters of Life ever since. And Fallen Man has polluted the planet ever since. And Man has reproduced Genetic Mis-bred diseases, besides the diseases of our Unblanced Eco System.

There are two ways Humans can reproduce. High Tech Science Pure-bred Asexual Humans with Eternal Physical Life. And Heterosexual Body Birth, with Mis-bred genetics and Death.
We are now in a population explosion for the past 100 years, from 1 Billion in 1900 to over 6 Billion in 2000.

Today we have almost destroyed our Eco System, and Man has planted Nuclear bombs all over the land and sea, to cause the End Times 'Arm'ageddon.
And most of us argue over who has the right religion and the right government, while we are Killing our Home.

The Only Right religion is Commonism like Jesus taught when he was here of Sharing Equally all Resources, not storing them up in barns, while other are homeless and starving.

The Only Right government is not a monetary basis government but Sharing Equally with all the Resources, and not Killing any one over needs or land or government or religion.

High Tech Science Equality is the answer to all the problems on Earth. High Tech Science reproduction makes Equal Asexual male and female Clones. High Tech Science makes Balanced Elements Planet Spaceship homes for all. Earth is a Spaceship with all the resources aboard to be shared Equally with All Life, like the Lifestyle in a spaceship. Why do we have all the poor and homeless?

My web site: Http://home.kc.rr.com/hightech/home.html

Peace and Jesus' Asexual Agape Love, and Pure-bred High Tech Science Reproduction is the answer to Equality for All.

Dear Ryan- There are many miscinceptions in America about the religion Islam and how it treats women.
One of the reasons, is that people often confuse the social customs of a country with the religion of its people. There are cultural and traditional practices- like you cited- of women covering their faces- or being allowed to show themselves in public. These are examples of cultural practices based on traditions that are not religious based.

Muslims, (like myself) base our relgion on 3 things- our holy book sent to our Prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him) the Qur'an, which we believe is the uncorrupted word of ALLAH- the name we call God. Also on hadeeth-and sunnah- the sayings of the Muhammad(pbuh) and the actions of Muhammad(pbuh) collected by his companions during his lifetime.

Like Jewish people and some Christians, we believe in the oneness of God. We also revere and respect Jesus(ata) and his mother Mary(ata) so much so, that as you see, we follow their names with a blessing from ALLAH.

While Jewish people pray- the shema-
SHEMA Y'ISROEL ADONAI ELOHIM ADONOI ACHAD
HEAR O ISRAEL THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE

Muslims pray LA ILAHA ILALLA
THERE IS NO GOD BUT GOD

We also dont have any priests, bishops, reverends.elders or popes in Islam.
Everyone stand equally before ALLAH without an intercessor.

I will share a verse form our Qur'an with you here-

God treats men and women as spiritual equals., Quran 3:195 tells us :

"Their Lord responded to them: "I never fail to reward any worker among you for any work you do, be you MALE OR FEMALE, YOU ARE EQUAL TO ONE ANOTHER........."

So you can see it is clear just from one verse, men and women are considered equal.
There are many more but that's enough.

As always, in your search- always try to ask from the source for information, ask a Jewish person about their religion, and a Hindu about theirs...

I will leave you with the greeting we always use-
A SALAAMU ALAIKUM which means PEACE BE UPON YOU

And there you have it Ryan...! Pick and choose an answer and when you are old enough to make your own informed decisions, you can change that to suit your standings, to agree with your mates, and maybe with those who are closed to you.

Let's say if you were born 500 years ago, and you came across a couple of women struggling with their loads, you would probably help them. And so I believe the mentality of that time was learned from the natural surrounding that men were stronger and therefore were relied upon for specific tasks and accorde their respective social roles. Believe me if you didn't help the women with their load, you probably would have got a persecution and stripped of all your social status. Should you ever depend upon a woman for men's roles, you probably would have been beaten to death by women themselves.

So there is a reason and there is a time for every thing.

But your socialization has made you fallen victim into a perspective and belief, that is only related to a specific time and place.

Life expands beyong the limitation of the here and now...

Have a good life!

Bill L,

Considering the important women in my life, I have to heartily disagree with your statement that "[God] made men more goal oriented than women."

Not in my family for the last three generations! And try telling that to my wife - among many other things she's been Chief of Staff to two of our State's Governors.

Ryan,

I'm most certainly not a Biblical scholar. But I've heard that Mary Magdalene was the most favored by Jesus of all his followers and apostles. One of the Gospels excluded by the men (repeat, men) who determined what was allowed into the official Bible, reports that Jesus kissed Mary M., presumably on the lips - though the crucial word is obliterated on the parchment.

I wouldn't credit what Bill L says about Jesus's being responsible for the anti-woman practices that later came to infect the Christian church. In the earliest groups of Christians, shortly after Christ's death, women were the leaders.

St. Paul is significantly responsible for the hatred of women evident in the later church doctrines. St. Paul, by the way, is said to have been a Roman double-agent who hijacted the early "Jesus Religion" of Christ's family and friends, and turned it into "Christianity, an organization to serve as an agent of the Roman state.

It should be evident that what Jesus taught are essentially feminine values: love, non-aggression, tolerance, and so on. So don't ever think that Jesus intended or proclaimed the misogyny of the later church.

And leaving aside the silliness of "The DaVinci Code," there is a two thousand year old tradition that Mary Magdalene and Jesus were married, and that Mary moved to Provence with their daughter, Sara. This is widely believed today in the Languedoc, and the churches there have sculptures memorializing Mary and Sara's arrival. Christ loved women and paid more considerate attention to them than was usual for a man in his era.

You’re a bright and clever kid Ryan, good to hear someone of your age questioning some of the absurdities of religion and its oppression of woman. As Bill L posted " Keep asking these questions and searching for why" and you will find the truth, far away from religion.

Perhaps Christ Won't Guide You

Don't accept that as a given.

There are billions of people in the world
who do not look to Christ as their guide.
Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, Atheists, Agnostics, Secular Humanists.

These people are ALL at least as good people
and as happy
as are Christians.

Christ was a lovely personage.
but
He DID choose ONLY men as his apostles
and Christian Churches had
Only Male leaders for many years.

NOT ANY more
the head of the Episcopal Church is a Woman
MANY protestant sects have Women ministers.
there are Many women Rabbis.

The speaker of the house is a woman.
the leader in presidential polls is a woman.

Bill L is a lovely man, but he is living in the past.

Things are changing.
You don't need to belileve in God.
If you do, you don't need to believe God is a Man
(muslims don't)
YOu don't have to believe, as Bill seems to, that all the leaders have to be men.
You can, indeed, think for yourself.

Ryan, those are good questions! I don't presume to know the mind of God, but he made women to have children not men. He made men physically stronger than women. He made women more nurturing and emotionally equiped than men. He made more goal oriented than women. Seperately each can do the job, together they can do more completely. Everyone has a role in society and in God's kingdom. Can everyone be an eye or a foot? Together we make up the whole body.
God created the Church with roles of Bishop, teacher, priest, laity, ect. He did not name his mother or the other Mary as apostle because priests and Bishops are supposed to represent God the son {in persona Christi} in the role as father of each church. The Church would indeed be different if Jesus came as a woman, but he didn't. I don't know Gods' reasons, but I accept them as perfect! Jesus had everything to do with this, its his Church! He is God and doesn't worry about cultures or human esteem.

Keep asking these questions and searching for why. Don't ever settle for "because they said so". Christ will guide you.

Women have been discrimated by the point of view of some men. This point of view intreprets every thing in politics and religion its is not God who see women as inferior but men. Therefore to belief in God is the most beautiful thing but one must resist to be told what to believe whether it is politicians and Clergy etc. That is why if we have the opportunity to study and learn about God we should not reject it. The God of the Bible states that Man and Women are both made in the image of God (read first three chapters of Genesis) this to me is the upmost declaration of freedom for both man and women.

Is There a God?
Would A Good God Do What Has been Done in HIS name?

Ryan,

please keep an open mind on this question above,
and
study AS MANY of the world religions as you can.
They all describe a different God.
They can't all be right.
BUT
they could all be wrong.

God COULD be a man-made concept
to explain things we didn't understand
(the Greeks thought the God Thor caused thunder)
to relieve our anxiety about death
(if we go to heaven, why worry about dieing)
and to reduce the uncertainties of life
(i KNOW God will do X, Y or Z)

None of these are mature moral reasons for believing in a God
but they are among the most prevalent ones.

Keep an open mind. Decide for yourself. Keep reading the internet and see how they worship God (or don't) in Japan, India, Niger, New York City Secular Humanist organizations).
Your essay was moral and brilliant.
trust yourself and your intuition after getting all the information you can
and you'll be fine.

Dear Ryan Kelley,You are super you are perfect.Your article is much reasonable and correct than elders.Someones may criticize you but you are right.If Religious Books are Words of God such as written by someones that means God make those laws.Let me give you two examples which prove you.Words of God which is written by Saul known as St Paul who is self proclaimed Apostle to Gentiles and who didnt meet and didnt speak with Son of God says A Women should learn in quietness and full submission.I dont permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man,she must be silent.1 Timothy 2.11 Another Book of God says,Good Women are the obedient....and scourge them.Man can take four women but woman can not take four men and she has no right to divorce her husband.I can write many other examples.You are right and you are correct.

Well the first thing to learn is that 'a God' didn't do anything.

A few men did. MAN created organised religions and wrote down every single word of every single doctrine to suit themselves.

BUT, if you do insist 'a God' did decree all these rules (just read the Qu'ran for some really lovely and fluffy 'it's okay by God' barbaric atrocities) then obviously that God is a nasty bit of work so why have anything at all to do with 'Him' and his religion anyway?

You're 12...You have time to leave all this organised religion garbage behind.
As it's either all man-made rubbish anyway OR it's in the name of a spiteful, nasty God.
EITHER WAY why would you (or anyone) want anything to do with it!?

Get as far away as possible while you still have the chance youngster!

Ryan,

God never made any law against women. Those laws were made by men. Those men were fearful of women's talents and psychological powers. To protect themselves from their own fears, they made those laws to convince themselves that women were inferior and so couldn't harm them.

Men were particularly afraid of a woman's ability to give birth - men couldn't do this wonderful thing and it made them feel inferior and envious of this power of women.

God, if s/he has any human traits, has both female and male characteristics. God would never betray women by ordaining the laws that you mention.