Adrift in Cairo: Is U.S. watching?

yasseryousufi,

I have no idea what you are referring to as has so often been the case. What this is I don't know:

"Tells a bit about your "Academic Scholar working for UN" joke."

I know several people who work for the UN. Most, but not all of what I do, is volunteer, and concerns children.

At all events, the welfare of children couldn't possibly be of interest to you, so what is your point?

Truthfully, neither your literacy problems nor your illiteracy are problematic for me, little fellow. Rather, it is your utter lack of moral sense, your justification, for instance, of racist violence, your blaming the "sweepers" for the horrors your nation subjects them to.

This will be my last post to you. There is nothing to say, and I'm bored by your incoherent mutterings.

Ahhh......looks like I've struck a chord in you FarnazMansouri! Maybe you did fear becoming a horrible Mother-in-Law eventually! You called me a rooster and a crow in same breath? God help your in-laws!

Its obvious that you can never respond to legitimate queries and instead have to run away from them and raise other unrelated questions. Tells a bit about your "Academic Scholar working for UN" joke. Thats never an academic's response. That case is a vital one because its exposes Israel's lie of being the only democracy and having an independent Supreme Court. Unless Israel and its supporters on this blog are ready to answer to legitimate queries regarding racism of its military and judiciary, it can consider itself a democracy but similar to that of Aparthied South Africa and Nazi Germany!

Shriek away impotent rooster, but I'm hardly old enough to be somebody's mother-in-law, unlike you little crow. Shriveling and withering got you nowhere, so you're trying again?

And how is it that one of your co-religionists shot a little girl in the head and got a hero's welcome in Syria? Shot her at point blank range?

And then there were the school bus bombings.

The bombing of the UJ cafeteria, killing Jews, Christians, and Muslims.

The bombing at Sbarro's

The beach bombings.

The bombings in Telaviv

The bombings in FIVE synagogues.

Still no answer little old man screamer?

I thought not.

FarnazMansouri,

You'd make a scary mother-in-law with all this shreaking and sneering comments. I just hope for your sake you aren't as bitter as you appear on these blogs~!

I indeed am not looking forward to visiting america anytime soon. Maybe the FBI would declare me an enemy combatant and send me to Gitmo coz you know in America you can lock up muslims for years without giving them a trial. Besides you can also torcher a suspect if he turns out to be a muslim and make him confess to every darn crime in the world. I got everything here that most Americans crave for. I prolly live better than most americans do. Plus there are the scheming, evil, racist zionist abound in America to make muslims life a hell. One more reason Im happy to stay in Pakistan! No zionists here!

People are reading my posts as well as your posts. They can make up their own minds. Ill continue to speak honestly and take on Racist Bigots whenever I find them here. Thats the best I can do.

By the way you never answered my question how is it that an Israeli soldier can shoot a little palestinian girl 17 times and get away with a promotion and $1700 in prize money? I bet ya approve that too.

yasseryousufi,

There are other reasons why it's lucky for American and European Muslims that you aren't among them.

Aside from killing three thousand Americans and throwing the world into a global depression, there were Muslims who blew up a train in London, who killed hundreds in Germany, who killed a nun and a priest, who rioted over a cartoon.

By your reasoning, every nonMuslim in America and Europe should be brutalizing Muslims all over America and Europe.

And, of course, a lot of people are reading your ignorant, racist islamic posts. So, what you endorse, brutalizing all Muslims due to the actions of a few now has an islamist's seal of approval, namely, yours.

There is a New York expression that fits your islamfascist self well TSTL. To Stupid to Live are you, yasseryoudufus.

yasseryousufi,

I'd like to say that for your racist sake this thread closes quickly, but islamists like you must spill everywhere, so I assume you will continue to do so.

Keep your "Protocols" under your pillow and look at the pictures, the best you can do, since you cannot read.

Lucky for American Muslims that you aren't in the US since you would be a perpetual embarrassment to them, even though you are a simple illiterate, racist, chest thumping blovatiator to whom no one pays any mind.

Check with the doctor to see if anything can be done about the flatulence you confuse with language.

Muslims slaughtered three thousand......blah blah blah......and threw the world into a depression~!

Farnaz I hope for your sake that this thread closes really quickly. You seem to have lost touch with reality and dont seem to know what you're talking about anymore. If I were a racist like you I would have told you who really is responsible for this depression, but I dont have to, its obvious to anyone with even half a brain.

Well there was plenty of chest thumping going on by Americans like yourself during the 'Shock and Awe' take over of Baghdad. Iraqis and Afghanis have witnessed the unbounded compassion of Americans in Falluja, Abu Ghraib, Haditha, Baghdad, Bagram, Kabul you name it. Every single tale of death and destruction pales the 9/11 hijackings. Ive written on that in detail on this same blog. Just scroll down~!

I dont read other peoples religous books. You keep your Protocols close to your chest. You'll need it coz looking at the quality of your posts lately, maybe you need to learn some new tricks~!

yasseryoudufus:
You can bet your bottom dollar that if muslims had committed any atrocity minutely on the scale of Sabra/Chatilla, Gaza or Beirut this racist Historian would have documented it. And what do you know about Dhimmism anyway other than it being a fancy word that you maybe heard from hate mongers like this guy. Go read some stuff on Dhimmism before calling it an atrocity.

"By your reasoning, after 9/11, Americans should feel free to be violent against Muslims"

How on earth did you reach that conclusion? What part of America have the muslims occupied. Honestly its a bit rich for you to consider anyone else a racist. Its evident in your every single post. Plus there's a sprinkling of narcissm as well. No one else but yourself takes you seriously anymore~!
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Muslims slaughtered three thousand Americans in a matter of minutes and threw the world into a depression. And I'm only speaking of terrorist assaults against Americans, not Europeans, Africans, etc.

If Americans were to be racist like your illiterate self, they would justify attacks on Muslims in the same way you justify attacks against European Jews by Muslim racists like your illiterate self. European nonMuslims would do the same.

As for "dhimmism" (LOL!), I would suggest you get your mommie to read to you on what it signifies.

Dr. Wistrich is not a racist; however, you are. You are also a pumped up little man who may just explode from wholly unwarranted narcissism.

If you could possibly remove yourself from the mirror, ask mother to take your hilariously self-impressed bigoted self to a reading class.

That you, you'll be able to do more than look at the pictures from the protocols of the Elders of Zion, your favorite tract.

No one takes your uneducated self seriously, though, so you don't have to go to any effort on our account. No Jews will be attacking Muslims using your reasoning either, that is, since you haven't the ability to reason.

Bluster on little bloviator. No one is listening. (No one ever was.)

FarnazMansouri,

You can bet your bottom dollar that if muslims had committed any atrocity minutely on the scale of Sabra/Chatilla, Gaza or Beirut this racist Historian would have documented it. And what do you know about Dhimmism anyway other than it being a fancy word that you maybe heard from hate mongers like this guy. Go read some stuff on Dhimmism before calling it an atrocity.

"By your reasoning, after 9/11, Americans should feel free to be violent against Muslims"

How on earth did you reach that conclusion? What part of America have the muslims occupied. Honestly its a bit rich for you to consider anyone else a racist. Its evident in your every single post. Plus there's a sprinkling of narcissm as well. No one else but yourself takes you seriously anymore~!

yasseryousufi:

the 1400 years of co-existence between Muslim and Jews before Israel came into being! He did allude rather smugly to the tolerance muslims showed to the Jewish people. But the rest of it was all rhetoric, and that coming from an obvious zionist has gutter value....
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First, he certainly could have cited incidents of Muslim antisemitic violence pre-Israel, but that was not his focus. Second, there was nothing "smug" in his assessment of Muslim "tolerance" of Jews. It was what it was, dhimmi style, and Jews were not alone in this.

Finally, islamist, Israel is irrelevant. European Jews are not Israeli government officials or soldiers. They aren't Israelis.

Your islamist racism is transparent here. By your reasoning, after 9/11, Americans should feel free to be violent against Muslims.

Gutter reasoning from a gutter islamist.

yasseryousufi,

He's a world-famous historian and philosopher and reporting on facts is only "hateful" to islamists like you. I suspect that only islamists like you have not heard of Wistrich.

Farnaz,

I kinda went through that PDF article by the "world-famous academic Robert Wistrich" (I wonder if anyone else except zionists like you have heard of him, whats he famous for? writing insidous hate speech?) and seeing the kind of stuff you read, Im no longer surprised why you're such an unabashed racist and downright hateful~! Anyways your world famous scholar, like you couldn't cite a single incident of Muslim subjugation of jews throughout the 1400 years of co-existence between Muslim and Jews before Israel came into being! He did allude rather smugly to the tolerance muslims showed to the Jewish people. But the rest of it was all rhetoric, and that coming from an obvious zionist has gutter value (like some of your posts lately~!) So yea......nice try, but please stop wasting the time of educated people on this blog by sending these propaganda pieces. Keep exchanging these mails with your new friends! They'll readily gulp all that you send them~!

Wow, yasseryousufi, it's November 18th and you still haven't read the PDF by world-famous academic Robert Wistrich. Guess you don't want to read anything that might concern reality.

Wow FarnazMansouri! God help those around you when you are in a bad mood. I can see you get pretty unreasonable and scary in such situations!

I stand by the link, Its from a Harvard Professor, an Economist who has invested his life in studying this topic (sorry about the name~!) I suggest you show his research work to someone who knows a bit about Economics. This over reliance on searching everything on the internet can get countrer productive if not couples with other means of finding information.

"Frankly, I no longer believe you have a college degree. You're a fast talker, but we see that on the streets here and in Islamabad all the time. Amusing for a bit, then wearisome.

Very."

You form your assumptions rather quickly for my liking anyway. Thats never a sign of good judgement. I dont like giving my opinions so quickly, it saves me from the embarassment of retraction.

yasseryousufi,

Lousy try, and you're lousy with surnames. Stauffer is not a Jewish name no matter how it may sound to your untutored ear.

The link you posted is to a disreputable "newspaper" self-published.

The US government is not the only source I have since consulted.

Again, any middle school student knows to check sources, confirm, etc.

Frankly, I no longer believe you have a college degree. You're a fast talker, but we see that on the streets here and in Islamabad all the time. Amusing for a bit, then wearisome.

Very.

FarnazMansouri,

There is no denying the importance of Suez Canal but as you yourself and another poster mentioned that Egypt charges the US and Europeans an exorbitant amount of money for it separately. So my argument that the reason US gives Egypt more than $2 Billion a year is because it doesn't want Mubarak to create problems for Israel. Hence the $2 Billion can be credited in Israel's name alongwith the Billions USA spends in keeping its expensive colony in the Middle-East. If there were no Israel US wouldn't be spending the hard earned money of its tax payers on a backward, anti-american, muslim country. The American policy makers arent idiots. They know where that money is going. But they are helpless. There's no alternative to Mubarak. Democracy is not a friend of US in these parts. Maybe we'll someday see an Iran like revolution in Egypt.

Its telling that you incessantly write about all the Jews displaced from Arab country, yet you would never support Palestinians returning to their country of origin. Do you see a semblance of double standards here?

The link to article I posted is written by a certain Dr. Thomas R. Stauffer (Even the name sounds Jewish). He is a PhD and an Eminent Scholar in the US and has twice served in the Executive Office of US President. He has taught Economics and Middle-Eastern Studies at Harvard University, Diplomatic Academy, Vienna and Georgetown University. He has also appeared before numerous tribunals and international bodies in Washington, DC and abroad, testifying as an expert in tax, nationalization and regulatory matters, including proceedings at The Hague.

No wonder you didn't find these statistics in US Government records. I wonder why you even bothered. The article clearly says its an estimate based on the research of the author. He has detailed the cost of Arab-Israeli conflict in 2002 US$ terms. It seems fairly accurate to me. I'd rather take the word of a well known academic who has spent a fair amount of time in influential places instead of a fairly anonymous Pro-Israeli, Jewish blogger. Im sure you'll understand that! So yea the $3 Trillion net value of this expensive love affair americans have had with Israel seems fairly accurate to me.

"Now, you have been to college. Any middle school graduate knows to check the validity of sources."

:o-) I like the way you almost have to restrain your anger. I doubt no one ever took you on with facts and figures on this blog. But its good fun talking with you. Im happy to take whatever you're willing to throw at me. So dont worry about just being yourself and saying whatever you like. I wont get offended!

yasseryousufi,

Thank you for bringing my attention to Alison Weir and her self-published "newspaper." I've spent the few minutes you should have spent finding out what she is.

Nothing she claims has ever been confirmed. The United States government web site sites figures for financial support of all the nations that are recipients.

Weir's figures are like her phony Judaic scholar, a fiction.

Now, you have been to college. Any middle school graduate knows to check the validity of sources.

Given the numbers of Hindu, Christian, and Catholic "anti-Islamist" web sites alone, I can be in business for months. Others on this blog, not so well intentioned, not seeking to make my point, would, no doubt, make use of them.

You seem like an intelligent man. I'd suggest you think over what I've written.

Yasseryousufi,

I clicked on the web site you provided, read the claims, combed through this and other articles looking for US government documents to confirm and analyze some of these numbers.

NADA.

Then, I went to the US government web site, spent an hour there, found some interesting information, none of which confirms the claims made in the site you reference.

KINDLY, POST US GOVERNMENT site address where the claims made in this article may be confirmed.

Below is a link to a brief PDF on anti-Jewish racism in Muslim nations. The text, authored by Robert Wistrich, is far from exhaustive, but will give you a fairly good idea of government sponsored Jew hatred and the many venues in which one finds it throughout Muslim lands, most of which are all but Judenrein.
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http://www.ajc.org/atf/cf/%7B42D75369-D582-4380-8395-D25925B85EAF%7D/WistrichAntisemitism.pdf

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Here is a link to Wikipedia's bio on Prof. Robert Wistrich, a stellar academic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_S._Wistrich
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In the following weeks, please look forward to postings on US taxpayer dollar amounts spent to aid Middle East nations.

In addition to updates on Muslim nation antisemitism, I will be posting on Muslim nation anti-Christianity, persecution of Christians, etc.

I hope to be able to scan in newspapers from countries throughout Asia, Africa, and the Middle East.

Further, I will be posting, with documentation, on the persecution of European Jews by second-generation Muslims, a phenomenon occurring all over Europe.

Please see Brumberg's link on the Coptic Christians, CHRISTIANS, merely one of group of Christians persecuted among Muslim nations.
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ALSO, PLEASE NOTE: I will be posting these documents everywhere, on every thread, regardless of the topic, giving special attention to any essayists with Muslim surnames.

RATIONALE: I am sick and tired of a handful of people attempting to hijack whatever discussion is underway with irrelevant snipes at Israel and/or Jews, which then must be dealt with.

MOrever, Americans should know far more than they do about the current treatment of minority groups in Muslim nations.

Yasseryousufi,

You can repeat whatever you want from now until the end of time but that will not make it so. The Suez Canal is vital to the shipping interests of many nations. Use a map.

If they had to go around the canal, they would lose billions. Hence, despite worldwide loathing of Mubarak, governments, including ours, kiss up to him.

In the MIddle East, there are also other reasons.
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If you want to help Egypt, contact one of the several human rights agencies that exist there, and that are run by Egyptians.

Otherwise, I see nothing of substance in your posts. Brumberg's article is accurate, except I'm not so sure as he is that Mubarak and son are fading out of the picture.

What would the weekend be without the strange and sad JJ, Blog-lady et al and this week's variation, new_nostradamus!!!!

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If Americans Knew's findings about the Times has also been criticized by the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA), for "selective and biased use and interpretation of information" and "flawed methodology".[13]"

12. http://alisonweir.org/journal/2009/2/13/anti-defamation-league-defames-me-my-letter-to-the-adl.html

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"Study of New York Times Coverage Severely Flawed" CAMERA. May 13, 2005

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Nearly 3 million hungry Egyptians are living in cemetery.82 million people(except a few ones) in Poverty.
Egypt GDP is only $162 Bln.Less than Israel.
People not working in Egypt.Cult of Desert brought Idleness
2000 years ago,there was Prosperity and Cleopatra,but,today Hunger,Backwardness and Bogeywomen.

What happened....,what changed....

Clitoris Cutters(FGM) came to Egypt,Civilization gone.
Haters of Idolatry(it means Hate to everything) invaded,Egypt dried,namely,
-Trinity/Son of God followers(partner to God),
-Hindus,Phallic Worshippers/Kissers(Shiva Linga)
-Buddhists,Taoists,Shintoists
are all Idolaters

Solution;
-You shall get free from Desert Cult/Violence Cult/Hate Cult.
-You(men and women) shall work from Sunrise to Sunset.
-You shall wear Contemporary Dresses and drink half glass of wine once a week(dont worry,half glass of wine doesnt make you Sinner.Dont forget,there are Wine Rivers in Paradise and Little Girls and Bright Boys)

"by taking into account all the conflicts US has been involved in because of Israel is a whopping $3 Trillion. (I'll provide you sources for all these statistics if you want~!)"

Yes, please provide statistics and supporting documentation!!!!"

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CCNL, I think its a bit rich for you of all people to ask "statistics and supporting document" from others however, checkout this link, if it doesn't convince you (and you have to write the reasons not cut-paste one of your anti-islamic rants) I'll provide other sources.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/stauffer.html

FarnazMansouri,

I have no intentions to sidetrack anyone, but I think you have recanted your original argument a bit by agreeing that its the "Geo-Politics" thats behind Egypt getting $3 Billion a year and not just Suez Canal. That Geo-Politics obviously means Egypt's bowing down to the Israeli will in exchange of those billions.

The rest of your post I am in agreement with. Egypt should be all those you have listed, but I do believe on the Secularism thing that only if a majority of Egyptians want Egypt to be a Secular country should it be one. You cannot impose secularism on any one. Same goes for the displaced Jewish people of Egypt and other Arab Nations (would you also agree with the Palestinians right of return as well??) although I doubt most of them would ever want to exchange the squalor like conditions of their Arab world with their highly subsidized far better living standards in Israel.

But I think its a bit wishful on your part to think that US would ever work for democracy in places like Egypt and Saudi Arabia or even allow it to happen. I think this feeling evolves from the flawed premise that US is somehow a force of goodness trying to rid evil from the world which most americans have regarding their country. Instead the reality is that the US has brought unprecedented death and destruction on the scale humanity has never seen before. It will continue to cause calamities in these 'pygmy' nations as long as serves its purpose. So yea......criticize Egypt, Pakistan, Bangladesh all you want (and some of it is well deserved~!) but do keep in mind the role US plays in all this.

"Egypt collects tens of billions in rent and taxes every year for the Suez Canal, yes.

Annually, the US pays Egypt, roughly five billion dollars per annum for use of the Canal."

References, please????

"by taking into account all the conflicts US has been involved in because of Israel is a whopping $3 Trillion. (I'll provide you sources for all these statistics if you want~!)"

Yes, please provide statistics and supporting documentation!!!!

And what did saving the Moslems of Kuwait, Bosnia and Kosovo cost??

For Kuwait-

"The great majority of the (Gulf War) military forces in the coalition were from the United States, with Saudi Arabia, the United Kingdom and Egypt as leading contributors, in that order. Around US$40 billion of the US$60 billion cost was paid by Saudi Arabia."

And no doubt Saudi oil/money moving through the Suez Canal is a major contributor to the upkeep of the canal and of Egypt.

For Bosnia-
from USA Today

"$2 billion total estimated cost for one-year's military deployment to Bosnia.

Of that total, $1.2 billion pays for actual force of 20,000 U.S. soldiers on ground in Bosnia and 5,000 U.S. soldiers in other parts of the former Yugoslavia.

$300 million pays for continued "Deny Flight" operations over Bosnia.

$500 million pays for troops serving support functions for mission outside of Bosnia.

Not counted in total are funds already budgeted for base salaries and some day-to-day military operations.

$2 billion estimate is based on a complex model that Pentagon says has been highly accurate in predicting costs of recent deployments.

Secretary of State Warren Christopher said the United States expects to provide $600 million of the total estimated $6 billion it will cost to rebuild war-ravaged Bosnia. The amount would come in annual installments of $200 million over three years.

Btw., Egypt collects tens of billions in rent and taxes every year for the Suez Canal, yes.
Annually, the US pays Egypt, roughly five billion dollars per annum for use of the Canal.

IN addition, since 1979, we have given Mubarak an additional 2 to 3 billion per year, the better for him to starve his people.

Yasseryousufi,

I'm not going to get sidetracked so forget that.

As for Egypt, it is for the geopolitical reasons I stated that the US supports the thug Mubarak. Ditto, Europe.

This is not news for most people.

That said, I do not mean to imply that the US is responsible for the horrors of Egypt, Paksitan, etc.

It has not helped, surely, but Mubarak and a bunch of criminal families dominate Egypt, just as they do Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc. It is in the interest of these aristocratic thugs to allow fundamentalism to develop, but only to a point.

Mubarak is reaping what he has sown with the Islamic Brotherhood, and other Islamist entities.

A secular Egypt would mean that the four (4) Jews remaining in Egypt, the remnants of a civilization that predates Islam would be joined by the displaced hundreds of thousands, their rights and property restored.

A secular Egypt would mean that Palestinian Egyptians, the majority of whom do not wish to relocate, would finally be granted full civil rights, their children permitted to attend school.

A secular Egypt would free Christian communities from Islamist gang violence.

A secular Egypt would mean the end of female genital mutilation, the gigantic girl-and-boy prostitution business.

A secular Egypt would mean that gays were not imprisoned.

A secular Egypt would mean that Egypt would industrialize, and with industrialization would come education, and the end of starvation.
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A secular Egypt requires the end of THUG FAMILY RULE, the end of support for Mubarak.

If the US and Europe gave one damn about Egyptians, they would build roads, teach agriculture, build schools, open hospitals, etc.

Mubarak and Gamal must go. No one other than his army which shoots down Sudanese fleeing to Israel and the Ruling Thug Families want to see these two miserable specimens on the earth.

(continued from my previous post~!)

And then you wrote,

"I just reread your post. Did you really not know that the issue with Egypt is the Suez Canal? Did you really not know that that is why the US and Europe prostitute themselves for the vicious Mubarak?

Brainwashed, my friend, are you. Use google.

No offense, and I mean that. You are smart and well read. I like blogging with you."

I too believe you are a well meaning, educated woman but some of these responses you comeup with are just mind boggling~! So Egypt gets $2 Billion a year just because it has the Suez Canal? Doesn't Egypt charge taxes and royalties for that canal? why do you have to give that whopping amount of money to Egypt for owning the Suez Canal? Help me out of this, I cant find the answer even on google~!

Farnaz1Mansouri1,

No offence taken at all~! This statistics of Aid buisness is a complex problem. I have often heard the response of my fellow jewish bloggers on this site who're like oh but Israel gets only .001% of its GDP from US aid. End of story. Sorry.....but there's more to this story then most common americans know.

Here are some raw facts,

1. For the year 2009 US had already given $2.55 Billion to Israel in military aid (approx $7 million a day) by February~! Over the last 2 decades US has phased out its economic aid to Israel replacing it with Military Aid. By FY2013 the Military Aid on its own, will reach $3.15 Billion. US taxpayer is subsidizing one of the strongest militaries in the world and currently 18.5% of Israel Defesnse budget is composed of the Military Aid it recieves from US. Israelis have a special privilege which no other Aid reciever from US gets. Israel can spend 26% of this aid to develop its own arms industry. This is significant because Israel ends up taking many profitable arms contracts which would otherwise be taken by US firms with the help of these handouts by USA. So the net effect of US aid to Israel costs a lot more than those 2.55 Billion. Israel today is the 8th largest arms exporter in the world.

2. Israel gets 20% all foreign aid handed out by US. So in other words each Israeli (already amongst the richest in the world) gets $500 subsidy a year from the US taxpayer, money that if spent in countries like Malawi, Haiti, Chad etc would feed dieing children.

3. The total aid US has given Israel may only amount to $140 Billion but the estimated cost of Israel to the US taxpayer by taking into account all the conflicts US has been involved in because of Israel is a whopping $3 Trillion. (I'll provide you sources for all these statistics if you want~!)

Having said that, this was never the topic of my discussion. The relationship US keeps with Israel is none of my buisness. I just wanted to clearup that .001% of GDP thing because I believe in the wider scheme of things it is an insignificant number. Do you beleive any US President can even think about denying that .001% of that GDP to Israel? The only response to your response regarding US detaching itself from giving aid to Israel I can give is, not in our life time!

(continues above~!)

Yasseryousufi,

I just reread your post. Did you really not know that the issue with Egypt is the Suez Canal? Did you really not know that that is why the US and Europe prostitute themselves for the vicious Mubarak?

Brainwashed, my friend, are you. Use google.

No offense, and I mean that. You are smart and well read. I like blogging with you.

Farnaz

Back on topic:

In addition to the horrors previously mentioned, Egyptians are literally starving to death. Adults, children, babies are dying from lack of food. The bread shortage continues apace.

If the US wants to help Egypt (and, in fact, our government is indifferent to "helping" Egypt, but not to the Suez Canal--ditto, Europe--which also lines Mubarak's pockets), then, instead of giving the fascist Mubarak money, we should build roads, help with agriculture, build schools, feed the starving, etc.

No one else will do this. Not the Saudis, Kuwaitis, etc. God knows, not the Europeans.

Yasseryousoufi,

WE "give" Israel 2.7 per annum, which it spends here. I don't like repeating the same things over and over, but since you make it necessary, here it is.

What we "give" Israel, is a fraction of its GDP, which it can make up easily in any number of ways. The Israeli people, not the government want us out of their face.

In exchange for what we "give" them, they are forced to sell weapons to Egypt, which in turn sells them to Palestinians, who use them to kill one another and Israelis.

In exchange for what we "give" them, Israel is forced to watch Mubarak's soldiers gun down Sudanese refugees trying to make it to Israel. One Sudanese-Israeli called US money "blood money." Others call it "blood pennies."

In exchange for what we "give" them, Israelis are used by us to gather intelligence in the region, further compromising their standing in the region.

It is illegal for Israelis to demonstrate against the US. Those who attempt it are arrested, brutally. Nice.
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Solution: The time has long-past for the US to do what Israel wants, viz, get out of Israel's face. Israel can make up what we "give" them in any number of other ways.

American citizens pay taxes. We have a highly developed security apparatus. Let it gather intelligence all by itself.

U.S. Foreign Aid Recipients by Area $ Received/ by Year - Where the money goes - by Region (in millions)
2006 2005
Israel, Egypt 5,878 5,343
Africa 2,803 2,444
Southern Asia 1,889 1,772
Western Hemisphere 1,585 1,713
Europe & Eur-asia 1,266 1,401
East Asia/ Pacific 489 523
Other 8,918 6,517

Total 22,828 19,713

Hmmm, looks like said expenditures would be better spent on USA's universal health care. Or maybe the Saudis would like to dole out these foreign aid funds since they are awash in money these days?

Yasseryousufi, Yasseryousufi, Yasseryousufi,

One must counter with reiterations of the truth to counter the 1400 years of Islamic/koranic mumbo jumbo that is engrained in the minds of contemporary Moslems like yourself.

And again, don't forget the free Five Step Method for Deprograming/Deflawing Islam.

Someday you will thank us!!!!

CCNL,

I believe you're either a Court Jester specifically employed by WaPo to keep its muslim hating readers interested or maybe just a programmmed software. Nothing you say is worth responding to, hardly anything you say is new. You basically have 3-4 posts that you go around copy pasting on each story~! So yea......if you're looking for someone to give you credibility by arguing with you, count me out~!

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I agree with another poster who thinks ccnl1 is an artificial bot program. May his hard drive crash without back up so he has to write something original instead of boring us to death with his incessant cutting and pasting of the same anti-gay, anti-Muslim pontifications over and over again.

"The country is suffocating under a cloud of political ineptitude, apathy and cynicism.."

Sounds like the US to me. Americans would do well to look at themselves first and to the theocracy "people of faith" have planned for us.

Farnaz,

"The above is merely part of what we get for our 2 billion. MOre to follow.

In the interim, the US might consider not supporting viscous dictators, universally loathed."

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Totally agreed with you on this. But dont you think the $2 Billion Egypt gets should be credited in Israel's name too alongwith $4 Billion it already gets. Egypt hasn't got much to offer the US on its own. US pays those billions to Egypt so that it doesn't become a nuisance for Israel, keeps Gaza blockaded and marginalizes Palestinians. Same goes for the Hashemiite Kings of Jordan. So basically US has to support non democratic setups in the region to ensure the existence of Israel~!

CCNL,

I believe you're either a Court Jester specifically employed by WaPo to keep its muslim hating readers interested or maybe just a programmmed software. Nothing you say is worth responding to, hardly anything you say is new. You basically have 3-4 posts that you go around copy pasting on each story~! So yea......if you're looking for someone to give you credibility by arguing with you, count me out~!

Yasseryousufi,

Since this is a free country, again please consider the Five Point Method of Deprograming/Deflawing your brainwashing in Islam. Said Method is not available in Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan. Hmmm, I wonder why that is???

The situation is Egypt is a horror, as I have said here many times. Unfortunately, this government, and, even more, the EuroChristians will continue to support Mubarak, now, Gamal, later. Mubarak, quite simply, is a lying facsist, universally loathed throughout the region.

In exchange for our billions, Mubarak takes the 2 billion dollars the US gives him every year (it may be up to 2.3), pockets most of it, gives the rest to his cronies, among them high-ranking officers.

This money is also in use to batter Palestinian Egyptians, who are not considered Egyptian. Children are not permitted to go to Egyptian run schools.

Coptic Christian communities face endless violence. Discrimination is everywhere.

Child prostitution is a huge source of income.

Less and less is being done to end female genital mutilation.
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The above is merely part of what we get for our 2 billion. MOre to follow.

In the interim, the US might consider not supporting viscous dictators, universally loathed.

Just sayin'

The biggest enemy of Democracy in these parts is no other than The United States of America~! So before all you Islamophobes start going at muslims, here's a fact: The USA cannot affort democracy in the Arab world atleast for now. Democracy would mean no more towing USA and Israel policies instead anti-imperialism governments throughout Arab world. USA only likes Democracies like Afghanistan and Iraq where IT gets to chose who becomes President and Prime Minister~!

Egypt, like many Muslim countries, is wallowing in the muck and stench of Islam.

The following "Free Us from Islam" program will save this once great country:

Are you ready?

Using "The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith" a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi as a starting point. In it, he explains the essential virtues that reflect true "faith" (iman) through related Qur’anic verses and Prophetic sayings." i.e. a nice summary of the Koran and Islamic beliefs.

"1. Belief in Allah"

aka as God, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Mother Nature, etc. should be added to the cleansing neurons of all Egyptians.

"2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence."

Evolution and the Big Bang or the "Gib Gnab" (when the universe starts to recycle) are more plausible and the "akas" for Allah should be included if Egyptians continue to be a "creationists".

"3. To believe in the existence of angels."

A major item for Egyptian neuron cleansing. Angels/devils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hittites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ugly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith.

Today we would classify angels as fairies and "tinker bells". Modern devils are classified as the demons of the demented.

"4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore."

Another major item to delete. There are no books written in the spirit state of Heaven (if there is one) just as there are no angels/"pwtfft"s to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.

Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the uneducated masses in line. Today we call them fortune tellers.
Prophecies are also invalidated by the natural/God/Allah gifts of Free Will and Future.

"5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) alone."

Mohammed spent thirty days fasting in a hot cave before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a "pretty wingy thingy". Common sense demands a neuron deletion of #5. #5 is also the major source of Islamic violence i.e. turning Mohammed's "fast, hunger-driven" hallucinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.

By using these five "cleansers", Egypt will rise from her current depths of dispair and corruption!!!!