No Need to Pray for the Obama Campaign

CSY ??
Um, that's the time zone that Obama and the campaign reside in. (Although not in the summer.)

It's not people on "inside the beltway" time condescending to people in midwesternern red staes.

Berlinerblau should invest in a map of the USA sometime. They don't cost that much.

There is only one irony in judging someone based entirely on an election campaign for the most powerful office and the performance at the highest political office - the brilliant ideas generated and work done by advisers and supporters behind the scenes is not immediately obvious.

Senator Obama has used his brilliance to tap into the best all over the country through his grass roots campaign. He has given everyone the feeling that anything they do for him, they do for themselves, kind of the inverse of Jesus who said whatever is done for the least is done for Him. But then Jesus is not a politician running for office and needs no votes, no monetary support.

Said Ramesh Ponnuru - It's just that it seems so wildly out of proportion to his (Senator Obama's) accomplishments.

Not out of proportion of achievement of blacks in America. Remember Senator Obama attended a black Church for twenty years with a "prophetic" teaching. It is very likely he entertained the idea of being a black political prophet in all that time considering Rev Wright did talk a lot of politics in his church and Obama's book title comes from a sermon from RR. It does help immensely to have an adulating black community look up to you as political prophet week after week, year after year. The idea of being a prophet becomes second nature. The rock star personality and media persona that was created simply strengthened the image of a prophet politician.

Only his actions as President will prove Senator Obama's mettle. He is a skillful politician. He will want to live up to his image in any way he can to leave behind a legacy. The first black president of the US is worth it. He will do his best. What that best is must be judged based on his actions as President, not campaign talk to get elected.

You are finally in touch with reality Professor. A real politician for the most powerful political office in the world is not a disqualification. Hail Senator Obama the smart politician! Never ever ever endow him with a halo, until he has walked the path of saints in action.

The most powerful political office in the world is not where saints are made.

Saints take on worldly powers that be, is not one of them. Here is what happens when saints do their best ---

They get poisoned (Socrates)
They get crucified (Jesus)
They get shot (Gandhi and Martin Luther King)
They get imprisoned (Mandela)

Sainthood comes last, most times after death. So don't start with sainthood for Senator Obama.

Anonymous:

All issues are economic. The wise vote their pocketbooks.

God vote - those who vote for what God's representatives want = more power to J-Haws = more money = more power for them. This is known as positive feedback that takes whatever it is to saturation at the speed of light = all the traffic will bear.

Devil vote - God's representatives actually represent Devil - the being that wants to be God. Devil wants to be God because of the God vote. See "God vote" for why. Hint - all issues are economic.

Sucker vote - those who fall for the "song and dance" of God's representatives and vote against their pocketbooks.

Conclusion: Anyone who votes the way a minister says is a sucker unless the candidate the minister picks is best for that one's pocketbook. Vote the abortion issue and get an abortion for a government for example. If an abortion for a government means you win the big evangelical money leading suckers to hell then vote for it.

History: "Conservatives" routinely cast sucker votes. Recently, "green people" have been winning while casting sucker votes.

Since "green people" are not generally followers of traditional ministers "green" must be a religion. Why? Only religions own real estate. Greenies now own all public and private land. No one will do anything without their permission.

Only religions are allowed to own real estate for everyone else only rents from the government, (real estate taxes). I'm still researching whether or not traditional religions can do anything on church property without "green" permission. We can be sure no church can drill an oil well on their property without "green" permission,, or that of VP Chaney.

All issues are economic. The best economy possible happens when everyone votes their pocketbooks. So far "sucker voting" is the norm so only religions enjoy the best possible economies. McCain went to the mountain where Trinity God = Billy God the father, Frankie God the son of father God and their dog spot = ghost God. Obama went to some church in the south side of Chicago where they're so ungrateful the preacher "goddamned America."

Question: Will "green people" and "faith people" get together and claim their prize, control over the entire economy or will they fight for rights to the whole thing for their suckers. In other words, what does a snake need do before one kills it? Oops, can't kill anything without permission from "animal people" or somebody.

The most sensible question to ask over and over again until election time is this: what causes did the candidates stand up for CONSISTENTLY in their political career from the beginning and fight for even at a cost to themselves, at a cost to their popularity? Reading the weather report of opinion polls and responding to them a few months or weeks before a presidential election doesn't count in assessing the real policies for which the candidate has stood and fought for.

For instance, was racial reconciliation and racial equality something that Senator Obama stood for from the beginning of his political career? What exactly did he do towards that end in his years as a politician? What other values did he stand for and most importantly fight for in his years as a politician? Facts and figures regarding the values he says he stands for makes his case clearer.

As for choosing a venue in Germany for his political campaign, it would have been spiritual if Senator Obama had chosen a really insignificant place and endowed it with special significance because of his presence and his speech prior to his victory in the US rather than choose places politically sacred to Germany touching off sensitive nerves in Germans who are torn between the sacred symbolism of their sites and great respect for an American Senator on a presidential campaign. Didn't Jesus advice His disciples to choose the lowest place when invited anywhere so that they would have the joy of being asked to move up to a better place by the host than being asked by the host to move to a lower place?

Political saints have earned their adulation with great self sacrifice, with dedication for causes greater than themselves. Senator Obama's is the path of a very skillful politician and only his biracial identity is unique to the political game. Other blacks - Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice, Oprah Winfrey, Tiger Woods etc - have paved the way before him in many ways, which made his bid for the presidential campaign possible.

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BGONE - the moral of the story was, the public are to blame for wanting their presidential candidate to preach religion instead of talking policies. Remove the halo around Senator Obama's head and compare his politics with the politics of Senator McCain. Cast your vote for the policies and the party you support. Period.

Anonymous:

Senator Obama might not be crooked enough for the job. He did send an agent to Canada to assure them he was lying about his stand on NAFTA so it's not perfectly clear McCain is a bigger crook. Of course, lies that cause people to believe are moral. Obama does a lot of preaching so he's coming up fast if he's behind at all.

President Nixon said on nation wide television, "your president is no crook" so they proceeded with his impeachment. Of course not being a crook he did the only honorable thing an honest president can do, resign.

Did you notice that senator Dodd got an interest free million+ dollar loan while Obama only got a point or two lower interest rate on his million+ dollar home loan? Dodd lost out on being the nominee because he's accusing the mortgage companies of being a pack of crooks showing his in depth knowledge of the industry and impeachable honesty.

Obama is pretty crooked alright but is he crooked enough is the question. Hillary is still available should his honest side bulge too much before the convention. Many have agreed that the Clinton clan as a whole is plenty dishonest enough for the office of president. They're nothing close to impeachable honest. The last thing we will tolerate is an honest man or woman in the white house.

Ask yourself an easy to answer question. If you had to pick between Mother Teresa and godfather Don Coreleon for president which one would it be? If you don't like Mother then substitute Billy or Frankie Graham, Pat Robertson, the pope or Cardinal Law even. Remember that the world is run by the slickest crooks money can buy. Keep the faith and never forget, lies that cause people to believe are moral.

Talking loftily about high ideals in the abstract is one thing but having an action plan to fulfill them is another.

In assessing any policy put forward by the presidential candidates ask what the issue really is about looking past the fine wrapping of the rhetoric. Look past the personality of the man to the merits and weaknesses of the policies. So far the focus has been too much on the personalities and less on the policies.

There is no doubt that Senator Obama will win the election in November. Voters want a change after eight years of a Republican President in the White House. Sen Obama is a skillful politician who is fully aware of his strengths and knows how to use them to his best advantage. If the public don't expect him to be saint or messiah, it will be alright.

Keep Church and State separate. Let the pastors do the pastoring. Let the politicians show their religion through their policies and the integrity of their personal lives. Allow no politician to misuse religion as a piece on a political chessboard.

autonomous:

4X4, F350 and their kind have a job to do that must be done. The oil companies are playing with fire when they get as aggressive as they are now. One of their big customers, self propelled farm equipment can be converted to run on electricity. Farmers don't need all that much range. And, they can pull a battery pack behind just like old steam locomotives had coal tenders just behind the engine. Those heavy trucks can be converted to run hybrid and in some special cases straight electricity. That's a rather dim future for big oil.

The immediate problem that must be addressed, the only significant issue is how to fuel everyone with gasoline because we have 250 million vehicles to replace and that can't be done in 15 minutes. We know Bubba is both an evangelical and drives a much larger pickup truck than he needs most of the time but when he needs it he really needs it. Unless Obama stops telling him to take the bus instead of drive to church he's going to develop some kind of bad emotional condition that could spill over into unwanted places like racism. Worse yet, he could declare Rush Limbaugh to be a dope head for telling him not to vote for McCain.

Politics is fun already but gets a lot funner when Bubba gets what he had last time, the power to pick the president and all those difficult choices to make. Thinking makes his head hurt you know.

Obama reaffirmed his faith in chritianity and promised to attack Pakistan a muslim country if he is elected as President of United States.

Bgone - agreed. It's the best $25,000 ever spent on a new vehicle. I just bought a used Camry for much less, but would no doubt buy a hybrid the next time around. In the meantime, my 4X4 pickup sits in the garage......just waiting for that next 'big' job!

And no, Obama is not a Black Muslim - some Protestant denomination and easy to check out.

In all the talk about whether Obama is a Muslim no one mentions he might be a Black Muslim. Is he as Black Muslim as far as you know?

autonomous:

There's something good that comes from the oil/automaker conspiracy. It's the hybrid. Did I mention I drive one of them?

When I bought my hybrid the salesman warned me that between the initial cost and operating cost I could do better buying a Hummer. My question was simply -how far can a Hummer go on a tank of gas? And I added that I don't care how big the tank is. Turns out I can go twice as far between fill-ups. That's what sold me not the "green" garbage.

That was then when gas was under $2. It's now and I can sell my used hybrid for more than I paid to a commuter who is more worried about running out of gas than what it costs to fill up.

What killed the electric car is range -how far can it go between fill-ups. The hybrid will kill the non hybrid for the same reason. I'm not all that different. I hate stopping for gas and above all else being threatened with running out when I don't know where I can buy it.

Before I couldn't make it to my favorite retreat without buying gas to get home. Now I can fill up at home and go there and back and have a couple hundred miles left. That's a thing called luxury. Americans, all sensible people just love luxury. My relatively cheap hybrid is a lot more luxurious than a Lincoln Navigator, Cadillac Escalade or Mercedes. Their owners signed up to be service station attendants. But they get to demonstrate all their wealth -pumping gas.

The hybrid is the Messiah that leads to an energy free America brought to us by the 51st state, (actually 49th but not recognized) and to be made in Blue Lake Mississippi, Japan. The ideal vehicle is a hybrid that runs on natural gas, f-rts. Need I say more about energy independence? Eat more Mexican food and solve the problem already.

No Messiah-Complex in a politician please!

Way to go:

List policies of both Senators as fully as possible.

Compare and contrast their merits and weaknesses.

Pray for wisdom to God behind closed doors, NOT at Senator Obama's vote getting political campaign office via telephone. Not even at Senator McCain's if he should set up a similar office.

Keep Church and State separate.

Keep on praying and comparing policies until election day.

Make decision based on what God/inner voice inspires.

Take the time to CAST your VOTE for every vote counts.

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Playing the Devil's advocate again, Senator Obama's sudden leanings towards the Catholic Church, if he has any, (he has not expressed it himself, his political supporters are inventing it for him), could be easily interpreted as a political move. With 70 million Catholics, the religious base which is not automatically supporting him...

The attempt to retrospectively reinvent Senator Obama as a Catholic leaning spiritual seeker (article in Newsweek by Lisa Miller) is disingenuous to the extreme.

Senator Obama was still agnostic when he joined up Rev Wright's Church for the sake of community work. It did not occur to him to join the Catholic Church at any time in the twenty years that he was an active member of Rev Wright's Church. There is no way that anyone with Catholic leanings would have felt comfortable with Rev Wright's theology. His is an OT based "prophetic" teaching, whereas the Catholic church is Jesus based NT theology. Catholic Church condemns abortion without mincing words. Support of what is being termed as infanticide like abortion law is anything but Catholic.

Senator Obama himself never expressed his Catholic leanings at any time in the past. While it is fully acceptable for Senator Obama to develop leanings towards the Catholic Church after severing ties with his old church, it is not honest to claim he had Catholic leanings all along, for he was a member of Rev Wright's church for twenty years and would have remained so until the end of his life if it had NOT been for the public fiasco of Rev Wright and his betrayal of Senator Obama.

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If people are disappointed Senator Obama is ONLY a politician, maybe they should ask themselves when was the last time a saint or prophet ran for political office asking for votes.

The well known political saints did not become saints by running for political office. They had a cause and they mobilised the masses for the cause, not for their persons. It was the nobility of the cause they fought for, and the selflessness of their goals and dedication, their ability to inspire people to rise above themselves that made them political saints.

Playing the Devil's advocate here, the agnostic Sen Obama chose Rev Wright's church instead of comparatively ordinary Catholic Pfleger because Rev Wright was more influential, more intelligent and sophisticated, and had a much greater membership. A rational decision for someone wanting to get involved in community work.

Look for a goo leader, choose him based on the merit of his policies. Stop trying to make Sen Obama a prophet or messiah. All will be well.

Remember there is a very reason for separation of Church and State. It is also to prevent politicians from misusing religion as one more piece on the political chess board.

Begone - oil is indeed finite. In the news today, Saudi Arabia is working on their post-oil plan for an oil-depleted society (that would indeed be a wise use of the vast capital coming in at present). Who in the hell wants to live in a desert full of high-rises without beer and women?? They need to work on Islam too.

Somehow this current crisis has been a wake-up for the world at large. Sure it's years in the future, but the future is always now in some curious way.

Now that the Big Three are no longer the Big Three, can we suppose that work will commence on more fuel efficient vehicles while alternate solutions are being researched with increased diligence? Probably, if there's money to be made.

Will American ingenuity survive and thrive? Tune in 20 years from now......

Begone - oil is indeed finite. In the news today, Saudi Arabia is working on their post-oil plan for an oil-depleted society (that would indeed be a wise use of the vast capital coming in at present). Who in the hell wants to live in a desert full of high-rises without beer and women?? They need to work on Islam too.

Somehow this current crisis has been a wake-up for the world at large. Sure it's years in the future, but the future is always now in some curious way.

Now that the Big Three are no longer the Big Three, can we suppose that work will commence on more fuel efficient vehicles while alternate solutions are being researched with increased diligence? Probably, if there's money to be made.

Will American ingenuity survive and thrive? Tune in 20 years from now......

Athena:

How many times do you need be told, "lies that cause people to believe are moral"? There's nothing more Christian than lying.

Lying is not one of the 7 deadly sins. Lying is a virtue, sacramental even. Lies are the prime mover in human sacrifice. Obama and McCain are both candidates for sacrifice to the Christian Trinity God - Billy God the father, Frankie God the son of father God and their dog spot, invisible spirit ghost God that is everywhere present yet nowhere to be found. Their dog bites but not until after you're dead.

autonomous:

Many Americans, most even might well say we're caught between a rock and a hard spot. Then there are more than a few who feel they're face down in a mud puddle with someones foot on the back of their necks. I'm just laying here face up on my feather bed gazing at the sky, noticing it's empty and trying to guess where all the planes went. The money in the bank has nearly all gone to money heaven. Is there an airplane heaven that isn't in the sky?

I reviewed the documentary film, "Who Killed the Electric Car" this evening and am still processing the propaganda. My first impulse is to wonder if it's possible to tell the truth without burying it in the lie. By the pound the EV1 is the most expensive American auto ever made. I can get myself one of those or one just like it right now for a mealy $39,400 before tax and license. I can get a Korean made car that weighs about the same, enough gasoline at $5/gal to run it well over 100,000 miles and over half the 39+ grand back in change. Is there a decision to be made here? Surely money heaven will soon be full.

So far I can confirm what Red Fox said, "A dummy and his money are soon parted." That must have a corollary, something like, "if I'm being soon parted from my money I must be a dummy."

Did you notice who's being parted from their money? That would be the company that couldn't get the price of the EV1 down to economical. But then there are 250 million gasoline only powered vehicles on the roads of America. If someone invented a sail that moved autos without any fuel it would take years to replace all those on the roads today. We must have gasoline until most everyone has an opportunity and the means to convert to something else.

Don’t Forward Lying Emails About Public Figures Like Obama - It’s Not a Christian Thing To Do. (Attribution lost to the Internets)

I. Waves of Slander

I don’t have statistics, but we all know there’s a lot of falsehood circulating freely online.

An email arrives with frightening accusations or innuendos and the reader gets frightened (as was intended) and forwards the email to warn others of the great danger revealed.

But what if the email is one of the mostly false ones? How should we react if we’re not entirely sure of it’s truthfulness? After all, when we accept at face value lies about a person, group, or situation, and repeat those lies, we have put ourselves in a very bad place - we have become gossips and slanderers.

Slander, you may have heard, is not a Bible virtue, nor even a “family value.” It is certainly not a behavior that God will honor in your life or that will bring an individual or a nation God’s blessing.

Now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips. Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator. - Colossians 3:8-10

“Do not lie to each other” presumably means to be truthful even if the persons hearing from you kinda like hearing lies and slander. “Do not lie” - BECAUSE you are being made into a “new self.” What a wonderful hope!

II. It’s Nothing New

“They” called President Eisenhower a Communist sympathizer who was selling the country out to the Soviet Union. President John Kennedy was an agent of the Pope trying to give control of the American nation to the Vatican. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger was the Anti-Christ.

“They” effectively spread the idea that Al Gore was a mental incompetent, a charge the whole world now knows was wildly false. The lying swift-boaters against Kerry pretended he was a coward and never did what he clearly did do in service to his country in Viet-Nam. And many Americans still believe many of those lies.

“They” will say anything - especially if it’s a scary idea or if it advances some political or religious agenda or campaign.

So it’s not too surprising to see US Senator Barack Obama named in anonymous emails as a likely Anti-Christ, or as a non-Christian, or as a hater of the flag and the Bible, or as an undercover agent of radical Islam, intending to turn America into an Islamic theocracy, or to hear his wife called anti-American and an anti-white racist.

It’s not surprising that such things circulate, but it is preposterous. Sometimes you just have to laugh out loud at the bizarre fantasies these anonymous writers create for their gullible readers to circulate - except that it’s not really very funny.

It should make us fear for our nation. Such slanders sow deep irrational hatred, and have often led to violence against innocent people and large groups for no reason at all. That is not something Christians should welcome or promote.

III. Evil Intentions

Very few people could create and launch such vile lies and still pretend, even to themselves, that they are doing a good thing. There are clearly evil intentions behind this ongoing barrage of lies and verbal violence.

IV. Good Intentions with Evil Results

But some of the time, at least, such emails are forwarded by well-meaning people, sometimes by professing Christians, who are concerned about the future of our county. That is a fine concern.

Still, the Bible warns against enthusiasm without accurate information.

they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge… they did not submit to God’s righteousness. - Romans 10:2,3

And, as illustrated above, the Bible warns strongly and repeatedly against slander and bearing false witness.

Because of our freedoms, slander is free to circulate broadly in our land. “They” will indeed say anything. But it is very wrong for Christians to become slanderers by supporting such liars and their lies.

Unfortunately parts of the Christian community have for years played a large role in this. In my experience a lot of the most dishonest and/or wildly inaccurate emails are circulated enthusiastically by and among “Christians“. The slanders seem to have special credibility because they often make reference to God, the Bible, or the Christian faith. They get read, approved, and forwarded apparently without the slightest question as to whether they are truthful or not.

I guarantee, the Devil himself is glad to talk about God, Jesus, the Bible, and the Christian faith if it will help spread deadly lies. We need to accept that fact.

V. It’s Dangerous to Our Spiritual Welfare to Participate In This Evil Thing

People who walk by the Spirit of Christ are careful not to spread evil reports about other people on the basis of anonymous, thoroughly discredited information. That is evil, hateful behavior, while the Spirit of Christ promotes goodness, love, and honesty.

Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction…

Spreading lies is certainly sowing “to please the sinful nature.” If you sow vile slander and hatred, do not expect to reap peace, joy, love, and holiness in our land or in your own heart. That, my friends, is a very serious thing. We reap what we sow, and nice talk about not being perfect, just forgiven, will not cover it. Jesus is still asking, “Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord’ and do not do what I say?”

If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other. So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. - Gal 5:15,16

As the collector of Proverbs warns,

If you say, “But we knew nothing about this,”
does not he who weighs the heart perceive it?
Does not he who guards your life know it?
Will he not repay each person according to what he has done?
- Proverbs 24:12

It is wildly inappropriate for professing Christians to participate in spreading vile slanders against anyone, especially against prominent leaders in our democracy such as Senator Obama.

Two takes on Senator Obama ---

Lisa Miller, Barack Obama's Christian Journey

Newsweek, 21 July 2008

http://www.newsweek.com/id/145971

Ryan Lizza, Making It: How Chicago shaped Obama

The New Yorker, 21 July 2008

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/07/21/080721fa_fact_lizza/?yrail

Begone - while my preferred candidate is not among POTUS selectees, it could be that a wise VP choice will help secure the election for Obama. For my money, there is no alternative. Further right is not a direction I choose to travel....

On the other hand, we elect a president every 4 years, and there are no guarantees of re-election. After Bush, performance should mean everything.....

autonomous:

Living in South Carolina you must have heard about Moses going to the mountain where God lives and speaking directly with God, (From the Bible, Exodus so this is absolutely so). "That God" choose Moses to lead His people to His kingdom said to be the promised land -recently discovered to be hell.

McCain has gone to the mountain where God now lives and spoke directly with God, (no cameras so there's an element of guesswork here). "This God" did not choose McCain to lead His chosen people -under the likely logic McCain will lead them to hell.

The God that Moses successfully made the deal with lives in a special kind of fire that is found only in hell. That was the Jewish God of course accounting perhaps for all the bad things that have happened to Jews down through the ages and which continue to happen to them today.

McCain spoke to the Christian Trinity God, Billy God the father, Frankie God the son of Billy God and their boss, ghost God which happens to be the same God Moses made his deal with. There's a good deal of information here none the least is that McCain has NOT been picked by "this or that God" to lead us to the promised land. Not a bad idea since we now know the promised land is hell.

Just one thing left to help you decide how to vote. It's been said that 3,000 years ago Moses said, "grab your picks and shovels, mount your asses and camels and come follow me to the promised land. A measly 60 years ago Harry Truman said, "put down your picks and shovels, set upon your asses, light up a camel cigarette, this is the promised land."

All you need do is decide if this is the promised land. Of course there is the question of to whom this land was promised by "that God" a supernatural being that lives in the kind of fire found only in hell. Good luck making up your mind.

I'm voting for Obama because he's a democrat - beyond that, I know nothing for sure, and I can live with the democratic platform. I do know that a republican of any kind spells a 100% predictable disaster - in addition, McCain is too old to do the job and doesn't have the skill set.

He'd be steered around by Rovian forces from start to finish - the Supreme Court would be fully populated by the purest kind of right wingers.

I don't know about Obama and religion, except that he is courting a huge population of devoted church goers and that does nothing at all for me. I live in South Carolina and know whereof I speak.

But we only have two choices, so it is what it is. If Obama is elected and doesn't drop the religion act quickly, I predict he will be a one term president. He should keep that in mind down the road.....even democrats will only put up with so much.

ANONYMOUS sez "Prophets are chosen by God."

Which God you talking about? The one in the burning bush on fire with the kind of fire found only in hell or the one Muhammad met in a cave or somewhere? Not the one represented by the angle Mormoni that made the deal with Joe Smith?

God controls what's going to happen, a given. Devil uses prophets trying to change it. Hasn't worked yet. The law of averages is on religion's side while the odds remain the same.

All prophets are sent by the would be God from hell to lead the non suspecting to His kingdom. Heaven is a democracy is heaven. Religion is the great enemy of democracy, economy and mankind in general -leads people to hell.

The integrity of a politician's personal life and the merit of his policies reflects his religion. The tactics used to win votes should not be put on a gold scale. Prophets are chosen by God. Prophets do not seek people's votes or run for public office.

Don't raise a politician to a pulpit and then be angry when he doesn't deliver pastor goods. He delivers what he is supposed to deliver - politics.

Choose a good leader. Leave the pastoring to pastors. Separate the State an

Sen. Obama,

Wanna pray? Close the door. Want lotsa folks to pray, go on the road with Benny Hinn. He helps those who help themselves. Your help He does not need. Wanna be president? Take time out from gathering the faithful and gather your wondering policy statements.

If Senator Obama does not want to lose his credibility among real Christians, he must back off playing the pastor to get votes. He must try to win on the strength of his policies. Pseudo-religious campaigning does more harm than good. Jesus-marketing no matter how thoroughly planned is no good.

I could not give a rat's behind whether Obama is atheist, agnostic, Wiccan, Muslim, Animist, etc.

What do I care about? Universal health care, a decent educational system, a humane immigration policy, realistic job training for the unemployed, decent temporary housing for the homeless, getting the hell out of Iraq, etc.

What bothers me? Faith-based initiatives, which should be called institutionalized religion based initiatives.

What bothers me? An excessively prayerful Democratic candidate.

Wanna pray? Do it on your own time. Keep it out my face. Don't wanna know about it. Don't wanna hear about it.

Terra Gazelle - there is separation of Church and State for good reason. Asking for money to fund an election campaign and win votes is politics. It is not religion. Pastors pray with the people. Politicians should pray in th

If you are calling the government to pray with you remember to call your church for tax cuts, universal health care etc.

Obama is NOT Muslim.He is Christian. Numbnuts.

He did not go to school at a Madrassah...he spent two years in a Public school in Jacarta as a 6 and 7 year old and went to a Catholic school for two years after that...He also is not Catholic.

I have never read such bigoted trash before.
Gods Galore..What do you people know about Obama..or is it too hard to google? Are you like McLame and have to learn how to watch the web sites and learn how to Googles on the nets?

Or are you on a religious web site so that you can continue to feel good about yourself as you slander and spread lies?

What noodles! limp ones at that.

There was some cretin (Jan) that claimed because Obama's mother was spiritual and not Christian, that she was in hell. Nice. So are you the average Christian? if so...thank the Goddess I am Not.

Obama's mother was in Indonesia to help the women there...she was one of the founders of Micro lending, helping poor women with getting small loans to go into small business to improve their lives and their childrens'. She educated herself and was a loving, kind woman, an anthropologist who later specialized in rural development.She also traveled to

How come there are so many folks talking out of either ignorance or hate...you know which it is.

Wanna pray? Go into your room, close the door and pray in secret to your Father in Heaven.

Wanna pray with others? Call people who believe in the same religion that you do.

Wanna pray in a house of worship? There are any number of Churches, synagogues, mosques, temples etc.

Many religious organizations offer REAL on telephone prayer support. Call them.

Want tax cuts, universal health care etc etc? Call the government.

Christian writes to Jeannie:

Your skin crawls at the Obama campaign.
Bet your nasty princess skin crawls a lot. Lots of sneering.

The convention speech in a football stadium reminds you of Nazi Germany. But then everything reminds you and yours of nazis. Everything is about the holocaust, right?

The American primary should be skuttled because you don't like it. Wanna rearrange it.
Sick of the type.
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ANd everything reminds your type of church. Look around, christian. Lots of other type buildings--synagogues, libraries (my type likes books), schools (our type likes learning), mosques, museums, etc.

Your type wanna pray? Do it in your church. Not in government.

"Obama, Pelosi, Reid, ...
are far more dangerous than
McCain, Pelosi, Reid, ...."

AMEN!!

Bubba isn't the only one getting a thrill when it's announced they're gonna drill. 200 million plus gasoline powered vehicles is a few too many to scrap all at once. Then there's all the lawn mowers, fork lifts, motor boats and even a scattered washing machine left over from a past generation still being used by Granny Clampet back there in the hills.

Obama is stuck with the ecologicals and is so confident he's courting the evangelicals. Catholic bishops announced they're not buying it. Are you as shocked as me at that? After all, the church was at the forefront of integration, (wink-wink)?

Still the same question -God vote, Devil vote or sucker vote?

undercut The Constitution
pander to the religionistas
get 50 million lobbyist bucks or so for Denver
load up those church buses
dash to Denver singing "Kumbya ...."
keep the protesters in a corral
rah-rah stadium party
dash home singing "Everything is going to be all right ...."
back to ignoring and undercutting The Constitution and Progressive principles

Obama, Pelosi, Reid, ...
are far more dangerous than
McCain, Pelosi, Reid, ....

This Christian will not be voting for Senator Obama in Nov.

The Obama campaign is obviously counting on the old adage, "There's a sucker born every minute," if they think their pseudo-religious outreach efforts will get Obama into the White House.

We have already heard Obama say that there are many ways to heaven, so it's clear that he is not a Christian. That's why so many of you agnostics and athiests like him so much -- you already knew that -- you wouldn't like the guy if he REALLY was a Christian.

In fact, the "suckers" are more likely to be those of you who are seeking a god of your own making, a messiah-type like Obama, who makes you feel good about yourself. Christians aren't so easily duped.

Misusing religion in the style of a used car salesman still reeks of a political stunt treating religion like one more object and one more tactic in the race for the most powerful office in the world.

Jesus said His kingdom was not of this world. Using His name to win this worldly power......

But don't blame the politicians! Blame the people who want their politicians to talk like pastors and punish them if they don't. Politicians are merely dancing to the voting crowd.

Go figure why people talk of separation of Church and State and insist on politicians preaching religion from political platforms as if they didn't have pastors to do that.

Seriously. Forget about 'elitism', here.

'Osama is muslin'

Gods. That kind of idiocy is how people end up figuring *dictators* are a good idea.

Elitism? Forget about it.
People being stupid deserve what they get.

But *I* don't. So kindly learn to *spell* before you figure you got a literal right to rule my life in the name of your God, while the *dude you all were nodnodding to about all he said 'God told him to do' while it *screwed up the country and the first you notice is the *price of gas passes the point o being tripled* ....

Bah! Forget about it! Seriously. What you want? All this time you let them tell you your biggest problem was who I get snuggly with.

I still get snuggly with other girls, one in particular, actually, not that I get health care about it.... THen go pray for a fricking miracle when you voted *twice* for the guy who, pre-9/11 caused rolling blackouts in the Port of California to pay off his Texas oil buddies, and then blamed it on his own security negligence (Oh, wait, that was 'God' again, pissed at gay people wasn't it?) when *he* takes his war that was supposed to pay for itself in oil and be carpeted with rose-petals..... as long as you *pray * enough....

What, you can't drive the SUV around with the bumperstickers claiming it's not your fault if Jesus beams you out and your monster truck crashes into a poor family's nursery?

Boo Mother-loving hoo.

Maybe it's not 'God.'

Maybe it's you didn't listen.

As for all that stuff.

Really.

If you're not going to take this democracy thing seriously, I'm not seeing where you expect everyone to keep talking to you.

Mothers.

Oh, yeah, 'Osama' is 'secretly Muslin.'

They say it's only a paper moon...

I believe Osama does not have any faith, he change religion for convenience and he still been muslin and he just change religion like change cloth, to became a president. That show he is very unstable, and our county need a President with original principal not a BINBO-clown
and he have the nerve to talk about othe turn to God- TO BAD FOR THE DEMOCRATS. ....

OK, Mr. Berlinerbrau, ...

What in the name of the Holy Mother of *Punk* are you babbling about?

1. It's hard for me to see why some people think that if other people pray it's a bad thing.

2. It's hard for me to face that any Christian would enjoy -- and face it, people post on here because they enjoy it, not because they don't -- telling another person his mother is in hell.

3. It's not hard for me to see that such a person is not interested in bringing the Kingdom of God nearer, but rather winning an election.

4. It's easy for me to see that people who use Jesus as a weapon in order to win elections are bearing bad fruit.

5. It's easy for anyone to see their works put the lie to their claim of faith.

6. Or more properly, they love the Republican party more than they love God or their neighbor.

Jackson wants to cut off Obama's n**s..

Obama sez he does not see eye to eye with Farrakahn...

Rev. Wright, once a source of pride to the Obama's is now eschewed by the candidate...

Whats wrong with this picture?

Sounds like a african-american civil war looming on the horizon that the rest of us will have to endure (if we survive) and watch.

Vote Obama?

NO THANKS!

Obama's pandering to the religious organizations and his preaching have totally turned me off. He is so arrogant in his approach that he doesn't even have the sense to realize how arrogant he is.
No Hillary ... no vote.

Jeannie,

Your skin crawls at the Obama campaign.
Bet your nasty princess skin crawls a lot. Lots of sneering.

The convention speech in a football stadium reminds you of Nazi Germany. But then everything reminds you and yours of nazis. Everything is about the holocaust, right?

The American primary should be skuttled because you don't like it. Wanna rearrange it.
I'm Sick of the type.

Jeannie,

Your skin crawls at the Obama campaign.
Bet your nasty princess skin crawls a lot. Lots of sneering.

The convention speech in a football stadium reminds you of Nazi Germany. But then everything reminds you and yours of nazis. Everything is about the holocaust, right?

The American primary should be skuttled because you don't like it. Wanna rearrange it.
Sick of the type.

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Eew. YUCK. ICK

"Central Standard Time? Damn! These Obama folks have thought of everything. No need to inconvenience the Red State faithful with complex conversions from EST."

Heh - he's just trying to see just how on the ball they are, considering we're now on Daylight Savings Time, not Standard. The folks who show up an hour early will be right on time. ;-p

THE Obama Team must fix this ASAP: It takes few instances of things like this to cement the impression that the whole faith based theme is a campaign rhetoric. If you do not mean it, then you must not say it or claim it.

For the love of God, do not take religious voters for granted: they have a very sensitive nose for detecting phoneys and fraud.

The obama cult phenomenon has been creepy from the start. The recent add-ons of football stadium rallies a la Nazi hero-worship, coupled with Nascar racing sponsorships (really?????), and the candidate schooled by Rev. Wright running for chaplain-in-chief, really makes my skin crawl.

And this doesn't even get to obama's lack of principle, substance, experience, ideas, or accomplishments. It's not surprising that he is dropping rapidly in the polls; the only thing that is surprising is that he's still even with McCain. But at this rate, that shouldn't last long.

Let's get 200 superdelegates to switch back to Hillary Clinton by the convention and have a real fall campaign based on policy and how we go about fixing the country's ills.

Saving souls is NOT the business of politicians or government.

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Hillary STILL in 2008!

(or McCain 08 and Hillary 2012)

how dare you tell anyone who they may or may not pray for. we will always pray for senator obama and his family and staff. with this lunatic fringe out here all under the umbrella of religion. this is the most hate-filled and racist country in the whole world, and everyone needs prayer.you may not pray for him for your own obvious reasons, but don't you dare tell others not to pray for the next president of these united states.

You believe, "The Maverick’s religious outreach division is said to be rudderless, disorganized, and lacking any coherent vision for scoring God Votes."

In previous posts here I reminded you that McCain went to the mountain where God lives. That's the real McCoy Trinity God -Billy God the father, Franklin God the son and their political WMD, the holy ghost God.

No significant announcement came as a result of that meeting leaving what transpired a matter of speculation. Let's speculate.

God made demands and McCain rejected them. McCain made threats and God cowered. I've been told by folks in the know that McCain was one of the first to know the archaeological evidence proving the Bible is a hoax has been discovered.

What I said before is: Moses went to the mountain where God lives and "that God" appointed him leader of "His" chosen people. McCain went to the mountain where God lives in a mansion paid for by suckers and "that God" did not appoint him leader of "His" chosen people. McCain is no Moses.

Is McCain better off, worse off, or was it a non event? When Trinity God endorses Obama the fun begins. In the mean time we can notice the GOP has dumped the evangelicals and their Trinity God, Billy God the father, Franklin God the son of God and of course invisible, everywhere present but nowhere to be found spirit God on which father God and sonny boy God claim a patent.

11. Thou shalt not believe thy own lies.
12. Thou shalt not patent God.

Drill drill drill
It gives Bubba a thrill
To hear they're gonna drill

Will the fun never end? I hope not but November will surely come. Then comes the birthday of sonny God. Will Santa Claus to bring Bubba an electric pickup truck? Pootarack doesn't believe a word of it.

God vote, Devil vote or sucker vote? That is the question God doesn't want answered and McCain has the answer. It's a Mexican stand off.

If God were really interested in answering my prayers about politicians, he would have defeated GW Bush in 2000 and 2004. God was probably using Bush as a plague to punish our sins.

If God were really interested in answering my prayers about politicians, he would have defeated GW Bush in 2000 and 2004. God was probably using Bush as a plague to punish our sins.

1. Dobson is right.
2. Obama is not following what the Bible says.
3. You CANNOT get to heaven without Jesus, as Obama says.
4. Obamas mother, an atheist, is NOT in heaven, as he seems to think.
5. Obama will worsen the moral fabric of this country, if that is possible

I must be way behind the times, I didn't know God could vote nor did I know anyone kept "score" on the God vote. Is there any way I can find out how God voted on going to war with Iraq? Is there anyway I can find out how He voted on Bush's tax cut's for the wealthy? Maybe it is easier in America for a camel to get through the eye of a needle than in Christ's day.

I must be way behind the times, I didn't know God could vote nor did I know anyone kept "score" on the God vote. Is there any way I can find out how God voted on going to war with Iraq? Is there anyway I can find out how He voted on Bush's tax cut's for the wealthy? Maybe it is easier in America for a camel to get through the eye of a needle than in Christ's day.