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Case Closed: McCain Blundered
Evangelical Pastor John Hagee has issued a written apology to Catholics. Bill Donahue has accepted the apology and decreed the case “closed.” “Whatever problems we had before,” announced the president of the Catholic League, “are now history.”
Under most circumstances only those devoted to the promulgation of ecumenical good will would pay any attention to this. But many people are paying attention to this. And they are not brimming with ecumenical good will.
That’s because the whole Hagee affair can be filed under the burgeoning category: “Affiliations With Religious Figures That May Have Catastrophic Ramifications Come Election Day.” Hagee, as is well known, endorsed McCain in late February. Within hours of his endorsement, news of the Televangelist’s anti-Catholic sentiments made national headlines.
His phaser set to “damage control,” McCain backtracked on February 28th:“in no way did I intend for his endorsement to suggest that I in turn agree with all of Pastor Hagee’s views.” Not helping matters was Hagee’s revelation a few weeks later that the McCain campaign sought his backing.
In due course, the Senator conceded to George Stephanopoulos that seeking Hagee’s support was “probably a mistake.” This raises the tactical question of why McCain reached out to him in the first place.
To begin with, there was probably a desire to push Hang-Around Huckabee out the door. The Hagee episode occurred at precisely the time that many were wondering if the former governor of Arkansas was having so dang’ good 'a time running for president that he would campaign until the Rapture. The endorsement apparently vexed Huckabee and it may have quickened his eventual exit a few days later.
But the major factor motivating McCain’s decision was the spectre of massive conservative Christian support on November 4th, 2008. From his appearance at the late Jerry Falwell’s Liberty University, to his “Christian nation” remark, to his “conversion” to Baptism (In the Church of the National Press Core), McCain had been trying for months to woo Evangelicals and Fundamentalists. (This task was not made any easier by his infamous South Carolina implosion of 2000 where he upbraided the Religious Right).
McCain’s campaign was undoubtedly eager to win over a constituency that performed so capably for George W. Bush the last time around. The problem, however, is that his strategists were applying the electoral logic of 2004 to 2008.
For today’s Evangelical community is politically unsettled. Signs of skepticism and frustration with high-profile leaders such as Hagee are evident. Neither the latter’s endorsement, nor that of any other prominent Evangelical or Fundamentalist, can assure that this constituency will repeat its performance of four years ago. Indeed, one might even say that the Hagees of the world trigger even greater division among Evangelicals.
Faith and Values politicking is a tricky business. The irony is that by soliciting this pastor's support, McCain not only risked alienating Catholics (though I think he may now be out of the woods), not only gave the Obama people a useful tool for deflecting attention from Reverend Wright, but may have actually prodded swing Evangelicals to continue reassessing their traditional party loyalties.
(For more information about religion and the candidates check out Faith 2008 by the Berkley Center for Religion, Peace & World Affairs.)
By Jacques Berlinerblau |
May 14, 2008; 11:45 PM ET
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Posted by: jim dunn | June 23, 2008 3:24 AM
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Do you think that you get ranked based on the unnecessary complexity of your writing?
because that's not how it works...
Posted by: Sam | June 17, 2008 6:31 AM
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Pagan I'm still waiting for you to show me where McCain has changed his views because of Hagee on anything.
Jp It won't hurt him not in the South anyway and probably not much of anywhere else among Christians evangelical or otherwise.
Anonymous the founders didn't dream of a grand secular society. They did dream of a government that would be neutral among all religious choices and a society in which everyone was free to practice as they see fit whatever religion they wished or no religion at all. They may be many things but it isn't a definably secular society.
Posted by: Garyd | May 19, 2008 10:41 PM
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holy cow: sez "The Vatican is the seat of Satan. Catholics should read the Bible and see for themselves why for centuries, the Vatican HINDERED them to read the Bible."
Satan is God's right hand angel that administers the "test of soul" to the reborn dead. Either you're confusing Satan and Lucifer or just plain ignorant.
The Bible is the word of Lucifer. Lucifer is the angel that rebelled in heaven, tried to start a Reformation, throw God out and seat himself on God's throne. The supernatural being in the burning bush, (Exodus) has been identified. It was Lucifer not God that Moses made the deal with to get the Israelites out of Egypt.
KAckermann, you got it right about holy cow burning in hell but you understated the case. Holy cow is paying Lucifer's fee for the soul of holy cow's minister. Moses sold his soul to become the most important Devil's agent ever and holy cow's minister is following suit.
The big money "came back" to Moses after he sold his soul to Lucifer and now comes to those successful ministers like Hagee who lead the multitudes to hell.
The supernatural being in the burning bush is the father of Jesus you know. Hell's not half full, plenty room for you too.
Posted by: BGone | May 19, 2008 6:13 PM
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Evangelical Pastor John Hagee has issued a written apology to Catholics. Bill Donahue has accepted the apology and decreed the case “closed.” “Whatever problems we had before,” announced the president of the Catholic League, “are now history.”
If that don't make the angels sing they must have liaringgitis.
Posted by: Anonymous | May 19, 2008 5:54 PM
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I've just about had it with religion and I was getting ready to rip into you in general, but as I read some of your posts, you're a pretty cool guy.
Thanks for being level-headed.
Posted by: KAckermann | May 18, 2008 1:25 AM
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McCain didn't blunder.
He's a cradle Episcopalian who converted away as an adult (like the current President Bush.)
The Episcopal church used to be called "the Republican Party at prayer" but now that it has openly gay priests and even a bishop, it's anethema to non-economic Republican voters.
They can live with a candidate who follows a Protestant nut.
But never a fag.
Posted by: doug | May 17, 2008 9:28 PM
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HOLY COW - I see a very grim future for you in the afterlife. Spreading lies you've condemned yourself to eternal damnation. There will be no one to blame but yourself.
Posted by: Anonymous | May 16, 2008 6:40 PM
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Mary, The Queen Of Heaven
Many Roman Catholics , if not all, believe that Mary is the "Queen of Heaven". The idea may have originated from the fact that since Jesus came from her womb, therefore she is the "Mother of God" and henceforth the "Queen of Heaven". Even Davao City Archbishop Fernando Capalla declared in a local tv broadcast that "Mary is the Queen of Heaven". With him pronouncing it, no doubt, this is a Roman Catholic doctrine.
Many Roman Catholic beliefs are false because many of them are based on wrong presumptions. Here are the reasons why Mary is not the Mother of God.
First, God is eternal. He has no source and has no ending. God created Mary and it should remain that way. The devil wants to turn it around and voila ! God now has a mother. The Eternal God is now under the "dictates" of a "mother".
The Almighty God will judge us purely by our own merits and not by how the "mother" will intercede for us. The real question is " what is our relationship with God and God alone?" Forget about Mary. Like us she will have her own appointment with God.
In II Corinthians 5:10, Apostle Paul said, "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ..." .
The phrase "we must all" pertains to him (Paul), us and certainly Mary also. As what the Parable of the Ten Virgins suggests, she too can't share her oil. It means that she cannot intercede.
Second, the Spirit of Jesus Christ existed even before Mary was born. In John 8:57-58, it says " Then said the Jews unto Him, thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, verily, verily, I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am. "
In Colossians 1:17 Paul said " And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist."
Not only He was before Abraham, He was also before the existence of the universe and the creator of it as well.
To give us a glimpse of His power, Apostle John described his encounter with Jesus in Heaven in Revelation 1:16-17 " ... His countenance was as the sun shineth in His strength. And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead."
Mary is really only one of the children of God and to distort this order by making her the Mother of God is just pure blasphemy.
This "Queen of Heaven" Doctrine is really not new. In the time of the prophet Jeremiah, the people of Israel worshipped her. In Jeremiah 7:18, God said " The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger."
In verse 20, He continues "... behold, mine anger and my fury shall be poured out upon this place..."
Thirdly, Jesus never called Mary as mother. He called her "woman". (John 2:4 , John 19:26)
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Surely, there must be a reason why He didn't call her mother and that is simply because she is not His mother. In one instance, when somebody told Jesus that His mother was looking for Him, He insultingly replied, " Who is my mother? " (Matthew 12:48)
I wonder how many times the Lord will have to ask this question for people to wake up from their trance. It's a pity that everytime a person prays the rosary, He's not only doing a vain act of repetitious prayer but in so doing, he also invites the anger and fury of God. If they'll finally meet God face to face, I doubt if they will hear that question again if they will mention her name in His presence or would it be the painful parting words "depart from me, ye cursed into everlasting fire". I hope not, and I hope they will listen.
Posted by: holy cow | May 16, 2008 6:17 PM
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The Vatican is the seat of Satan. Catholics should read the Bible and see for themselves why for centuries, the Vatican HINDERED them to read the Bible.
The WH*RE OF BABYLON will burn as the Bible prophesied.
What's the point of apologizing if the Bible says it so?
Hagee has made himself the idiot in his turnaround.
Posted by: holy cow | May 16, 2008 6:15 PM
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Many thanks for the responses to my question to Candide looking for some substantiation for the claim about “many early Christian leaders” finding Revelation to be “questionable”.
James: Yes, I’m familiar with the Councils and I believe in their works’ accuracy and results. You answered a question concerning the agreement of early Christian leaders finding Revelation not questionable. I, of course, was asking for an example of the opposite position.
Candide: Thank you for the reference. Jaroslav Pelikan was a contemporary historian who wrote about his impressions of early Christian leaders. These people generally fell into 2 categories: those who were leading Christ’s church to Him and those who were antagonistic to such leading and direction. So it has always been and will always be until Christ’s return. Leading people away from Christ is not Christian leadership. It’s definitely leadership, but it needs another title, for it has nothing to do with Christ.
Nihil obstat: Thanks for offering the clarification to James. However, you have to admit, that phonetically, at least, his spelling was correct (smile).
Posted by: Ron R | May 16, 2008 2:46 PM
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"Dave" - read his autobiography, in which he admits his Roman Catholic background. It is no sin to be born into a Roman Catholic family. It is a sin to commit crimes on behalf of the Roman Anti-Christ's Fifth Column.
The Knight of Malta-led CIA assassinated John Kennedy. Read the court record and jury judgment in "Hunt v. Liberty Lobby," U.S. Fed'l Dist. Ct. of Southern Florida, 1985. The jury determined that Col. Hunt and his "Murder, Inc." CIA henchmen committed the assassination of John Kennedy. Whether you are American is immaterial, in America we believe in the Jury System. Are you an anarchist? Or just a Mammon worshipping philistine committed in your support for the draft-dodging homosexual cheated into the White House by the Roman Catholics on the Supreme Court?
Do not expect to be free and unenlightened. It didn't work like that in 1776, and won't now.
Posted by: Will Jones | May 16, 2008 11:18 AM
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For Will Jones of Atlanta:
Your post is littered with numerous factual errors.
McCain was never a Catholic. He was an Episcopalian who converted to the Baptist faith.
".... JFK assasinating CIA ........" ??????
By chance Will, do you write children's cartoons???
Posted by: Dave | May 16, 2008 10:13 AM
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"Neal" - you might bother to read his autobiography, "Faith of My Fathers." Roman Catholicism, "Juniors," and racism was quite common in the Navy of his and his father's generations.
Posted by: Will Jones | May 16, 2008 9:54 AM
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We can only hope for a McCain/Lieberman ticket.
Bad luck Joe will most certainly help ensure McCain's landslide defeat come November - I never liked Lieberman as Gore's running mate and still believe he was a powerful negative contributing force in Gore's defeat.
I hate to re-visit those days even momentarily....we came so close to avoiding the wreckage and ruin of Bushco - but this is not horse shoes, is it??
Posted by: Anonymous | May 16, 2008 9:14 AM
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Will Jones:
Unfortunately for your rather interesting theory, John McCain has never been a Catholic.
Posted by: Neal: | May 16, 2008 9:12 AM
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John Hagee believes that before Jesus can come back the Jewish temple must be rebuilt on the Temple Mount and Israel restored to power in the region. He believes these things are foretold in Biblical prophesy. Accordingly, one of his biggest supporters on Capitol Hill is Joe Lieberman--someone mentioned as a possible McCain running mate.
When McCain solicited Hagee's endorsement I think he was trying to garner pro-Israel votes at least, if not more, than he was trying to attract Evangelicals in general. (It's interesting to note that within the past couple of days McCain has been touting his strong pro-Israel position in relation to the Democrats.) While Hagee has made anti-Catholic statements in the past, I doubt McCain was trying to exploit anti-Catholic sentiments in this country and may not have even been aware of Hagee's prior statements in that regard.
I cannot imagine any place I'd rather not be than at a Hagee/Donahue love fest. Given Donahue's history as a staunch defender of his faith, I can only conclude that this particular alliance owes it's existence more to both men's anti-gay agendas (again a likely theme in the coming election) than any theological accommodations they may reached.
Posted by: Neal: | May 16, 2008 9:00 AM
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GARYD - the right-wingers such as yourself have much to answer for regarding the wide-spread destructive behavior of your ideological mentors and cultural heros, Bush and Cheney - did they really get their inspiration from the bible?? Or was their interest more along the lines of money and power?? Religion, money and power have long been involved in the unholy alliance that caters to the interests of the few over the many - they will not go quietly into that good night, unfortunately.
Nevertheless, they continue to count on right-wing shills and supporters such as yourself that are willing to perpetuate the Dark Ages that we've been living with the last few years.
McCain is merely an aging Bush clone - pandering to anyone right of center that will listen to his mindless babbling. He would indeed be a perfect tool for the continuing right-wing neocon interests and machinations that we've suffered from for this most recent 8 year republican cycle - there have been many that preceeded this one of course.
If we are very very lucky, the GOP will find themselves completely out of luck in November - much work is ahead for the restoration of the grand secular society that was the dream of the Founders.
Posted by: Anonymous | May 16, 2008 8:52 AM
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"case closed" - how convenient. In the meantime, the intolerant trio O'Reilly, Hannity and Limberger won't let Obama off the hook so easily.
Posted by: Roy | May 16, 2008 8:31 AM
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Roman Catholic McCain, who has, to my knowledge, never questioned (nor called for the treason trials their conduct demands) the policy decision-makers who sent us to the Roman Catholic fiefdom of Vietnam in an attempt to protect the interests of the five percent Roman Catholic ruling elite which owned 95% of that little country's wealth, against the onslaught of Vietnam's intellectual nationalists' following Our Founders' Whig Jeffersonian ideal in violent rejection of the Old Sectarian Order.
While many of us who youthfully served during the period came to realize much later the actual Fifth Column motives of Richard Nixon, E. Howard Hunt, George H.W. Bush and their team of assassins in Dallas, McCain's ongoing silence on the matter, particularly considering the physical and emotional price he paid for throwing away his jet over NVN, his adultery and subsequent marriage to the daughter of a known Organized Crime "front," and his machinations and flip-flops on Hagee, et al, suggest rather convincingly that he is a fully cognizant operative and morally depraved beneficiary of the historic, global socio-economic "machine for enslaving mankind" Thomas Jefferson identified as "the real Anti-Christ:" the same combine of Roman families, descended of the caesers and popes, known as the "Black Aristocracy," which forms the backbone of the Hitler-financing Knights of Malta - key in the Ratlines which secreted 30,000 Nazi SS officers through the Vatican's auspices to Latin America (Viz. Penny Lernoux, "People of God"), and into our JFK-assassinating CIA, six weeks after NSAM263 ordered our military withdrawal as papal catspaw in Vietnam.
The truth is so obvious only morons and "goats" like Bush and McCain can maintain even a pathetic semblance of faux sincerity in pursuit of their transparently malevolent interests.
The People must, once again, unite against our Tory enemies...and extirpate them.
Remember and know The Mottoes:
Annuit Coeptis - Divine Providence blesses our endeavors. The Roman Anti-Christs' fascist plutocracy, not G-d Almighty, has brought us illegal immigration and off-shoring to hobble the once proud eighty percent Working Class, $4/gallon gasoline, false war and the Fed's debasement of our currency;
E Pluribus Unum - Of Many, One. We, The People, united, made up of all nations of the world flowing into us, is Sovereign. The "best government money can buy" is not our servant if we are the Electorate mastered only by Truth and Righteousness, and Justice. McCain's and Hillary's racist "trial balloons" are patently un-American and a violation of the Dream;
Novus Ordo Seclorem - The New Secular Order trumps the Old Sectarian Order of king and pope's caesaropapism: the bane of Individual Liberty, personal freedom, intellectual growth, peace and opportunity throughout the Ages until 1776. Rockefeller/Bush "monarchy" predicated on their creation of Roman Catholic Big Oil and its alliance with the Saudis, and the unconstitutional Fed, has secured false-elite's control of government against the People and must be "unwound."
Obama sings the Song of America. Rome is backing McCain and Hillary. We must no longer permit our near infinite and blessed differences, which define our freedom, to be manipulated by secret perverts and agents of fascism.
Believers in America's Mottoes are Whig Patriots. Those who killed John Kennedy and committed 9-11 to send us to false wars are Tory evil risen again and must be cut off, expropriated, banished, and punished to the fullest extent of the Law.
www.theamericanfundament.blogspot.com
Posted by: Will Jones - Atlanta | May 16, 2008 7:42 AM
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Any book on the history of Christian doctrine will discuss the problem of the Book of revelations. One source would be the books by jaroslav Pelikan on doctrine.
Posted by: candide | May 16, 2008 6:10 AM
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How anyone can look at this episode and still view John McCain as the embodiment of a straight-talking, tell-it-like-it-is moral leader defies imagination, much less logic. McCain goes out of his way to embrace some fire-breathing pastor. Not the pastor of his own church, mind you. Just some wing-nut evangelical who can establish McCain's credentials among the religious wing-nuts. That pastor is found--surprise!--to have spewed out all sorts of biased, extremist, hate-mongering bile. McCain says he will stick with him. The public pressure becomes so intense that the pastor is finally forced to retreat, like a kicked dog being driven off with a stick. At which point McCain says, problem solved, he's a good man after all, let's move on.
This, mind you, from the same John McCain who openly denounced Jerry Falwell in 2000 and then just as openly kissed Falwell's behind just as soon as the presidential bug bit once more and McCain felt he needed Falwell's support for McCain's political ends.
It boggles the mind that this pluperfect example of a pandering politician is still surrounded by the aura of some maverick, straight-talking exception to the standard political panderer. Only the willful bias and blindness of the American media hanging on for dear life to the image they have manufactured for John McCain could let this happen.
Posted by: GeorgiaSon | May 16, 2008 4:55 AM
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How anyone can look at this episode and still view John McCain as the embodiment of a straight-talking, tell-it-like-it-is moral leader defies imagination, much less logic. McCain goes out of his way to embrace some fire-breathing pastor. Not the pastor of his own church, mind you. Just some wing-nut evangelical who can establish McCain's credentials among the religious wing-nuts. That pastor is found--surprise!--to have spewed out all sorts of biased, extremist, hate-mongering bile. McCain says he will stick with him. The public pressure becomes so intense that the pastor is finally forced to retreat, like a kicked dog being driven off with a stick. At which point McCain says, problem solved, he's a good man after all, let's move on.
This, mind you, from the same John McCain who openly denounced Jerry Falwell in 2000 and then just as openly kissed Falwell's behind just as soon as the presidential bug bit once more and McCain felt he needed Falwell's support for McCain's political ends.
It boggles the mind that this pluperfect example of a pandering politician is still surrounded by the aura of some maverick, straight-talking exception to the standard political panderer. Only the willful bias and blindness of the American media hanging on for dear life to the image they have manufactured for John McCain could let this happen.
Posted by: GeorgiaSon | May 16, 2008 4:54 AM
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I am Roman Catholic.
Neither Senators McCain or Obama are running for Pope.
Obama had a 20 relationship with Rev. Wright.
Rev. "God damm America" Wright espoused a *SECULAR HATRED FOR AMERICA.*
Obama initially refused to disassociate himself from Wright (no more so than his white Grandmother).
McCain had little if any personal or theological relationship with Rev. Hagee. Rev. Hagee did not espouse a *SECULAR HATRED FOR AMERICA* but *CONTEMPT FOR THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.*
To his credit, McCain was quick to disavow/refute Hagee's anti Catholic musings which he did not have knowledge of beforehand.
In terms of Presidential politics, this American Catholic is concerned with Obama's 20 year relationship with Rev. "God damm America" Wright and his other secular musings.
I am not concerned with McCain's, at best, tangental relationship with Rev. Hagee.
Posted by: Dave | May 16, 2008 4:53 AM
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"Who's Nehil Obstat were you looking for? Just Google and read."
JAMES: When you suggest someone google a topic- as a courtesy you should offer a correct spelling.
Posted by: nihil obstat | May 15, 2008 11:16 PM
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To Ron R....Church Councils of Hippo, 393 A.D., and Carthage, 397 A.D., and later, Carthage 419 A.D. gave us the canon of Sacred Scripture as we know it today. Although these were just local councils, Saint Augustine... This stuff is easy to google. It is the basic history of the Cannon. No one liked the book of Revelation to John but it was included and in the intervening 17 centuries no one has improved on reasonning by St. Augustine himself.....Verifiable references??? Who's Nehil Obstat were you looking for? Just Google and read. You're welcome, JAMES
Posted by: James | May 15, 2008 10:59 PM
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To Jim Grimshaw: Hagee is a Zionist. The original Kosher Santa.
Posted by: James | May 15, 2008 10:40 PM
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Dear Mr. Berlinerblau,
Why did Hagee and Wright kindle so quickly but we have not heard much about Hillery's go to Pastor, Doug Coe? Who's slack is being cut here?
Sincerely, James Hofacker
Posted by: James | May 15, 2008 10:32 PM
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Hasn't Pastor John Hagee also made many anti-Jewish comments as well? How does this fit into McCain's choices of pastors to affiliate with?
Posted by: Jim Grimshaw | May 15, 2008 9:37 PM
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Actually, GaryD, there's a big difference: Obama articulated and has always been consistent in where and how he disagreed with his former pastor, Rev Wright, particularly as regards those soundbytes, though the Swiftboaters and mainstream media kept trying to make the association, anyway,
...Whereas McCain went out of his way not only to *seek out* Hagee's support, but actually changed his 'maverick' positions to fall in step with Bush and to please the extreme Religious Right.
Note the vectors involved.
Posted by: Paganplace | May 15, 2008 9:22 PM
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Hagee is no more representative of evangelicals than Jeremiah Wright is representative of black Christians. He is representative of a strain of fundamentalism, but evangelicalism is a movement that deliberately grew out of fundamentalism in the middle of the 20th century. Your typical evangelical doesn't know who the guy is -- go ahead and ask some. And your typical evangelical leader finds him embarrassing, obnoxious and a bad influence.
That McCain thought it would be useful to get his endorsement reflects a lousy grasp of evangelicalism on the part of his campaign.
Posted by: JP | May 15, 2008 6:59 PM
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The continuing attempts by the more disingenuous members of the leftist guild of undistinguished blowhards to equate the causal, almost accidental relationship of Hagee and McCain to the 20 year relationship of Obama and Wright looks ever more ludicrous to the casual observer.
McCain is no more responsible for Hagee than Obama is for the insane haters at Daily Kos whose convention he attended some months back.
That ls the way the game is played on both sides. You find yourself briefly associated with people you wouldn't dream of talking to any other time.
Posted by: Garyd | May 15, 2008 6:09 PM
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I can understand why McCain would make a bee line to the right after having his butt handed to him in the 2000 primaries.
The mystery is why he would go after an odd duck like Hagee. There must be one or two other preachers out there that seem, um, normal.
Posted by: Enemy Of The State | May 15, 2008 3:37 PM
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Candide,
In a reply to Anonymous you said, "if you believe the Book of Rev. I have a bridge for sale. So weird was this book that many early Christian leaders found it questionable even for their credulous flock."
Would you please give the examples and verifiable references for your claim about all those early Christian leaders? Thanks.
Posted by: Ron R | May 15, 2008 1:58 PM
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"The third angel blew his trumpet, and a huge star fell from heaven, burning like a torch, and it dropped on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water--
And the name of the star is Wormwood. A third part of the waters was changed into wormwood, and many people died from using the water, because it had become bitter."
Yeah- who could ever believe a third of the world's water would become poisoned and kill the people who drank it...
Posted by: Anonymous | May 15, 2008 1:20 PM
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Hagee doesn't speak for all evangelicals. Personally, I wish the old McCain would show back up. Before Obama/Hillar, he was seen as one on the fringe; the non-compliant. I wish that guy would show back up. Geesh, he already has the GOP nomination wrapped up.
Posted by: baptistpreacher | May 15, 2008 12:50 PM
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Though Hagee may consider it expedient to now deny his past pronouncements, the truth of the Roman Catholic Church's complicity in Nazism and the Holocaust is proven for all to know by reading "A Moral Reckoning," by Daniel Jonah Goldhagen.
America's Founder, Thomas Jefferson, regarded Rome as "the real Anti-Christ," and that was long before their Fifth Column's finance of the rise of Hitler and the Holocaust; Operation Ratlines; their assassination of John Kennedy to send us to Rome's Vietnam; cheating Bush into the White House through only their bloc's votes on the Supreme Court; and, according to the common sense of 80% of Americans and Professor David Ray Griffin's scholarship for all to read, 9-11.
www.theamericanfundament.blogspot.com
Posted by: Will Jones | May 15, 2008 11:59 AM
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Anonymous: if you believe the Book of Rev. I have a bridge for sale. So weird was this book that many early Christian leaders found it questionable even for their credulous flock.
Posted by: candide | May 15, 2008 11:52 AM
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Wow..
Berlinerblau needs to get out once in a while if he plans to continue blogging..
All we ever hear from him is elitist mish-mush.
Posted by: Anonymous | May 15, 2008 11:00 AM
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candide wrote: "Hagee is a notorious evangelical who actually thinks the Book of Revelations tells the future."
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Prove that it doesn't.
Posted by: Anonymous | May 15, 2008 10:28 AM
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It's people like John Hagee who gives a negative image to evangelical community. I don't know when it became a rule that you have to vote republican if you are Christian. Many pastors recently have become a sore thumb to the evangelical community. One minute fame on TV and in pulpit is what they are striving for.
Posted by: Ton | May 15, 2008 10:23 AM
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Hagee is a notorious evangelical who actually thinks the Book of Revelations tells the future. The Book of Revelations is the product of a disesed messianic Jewish mind faced with Roman victory and power. But don't forget one thing about Hagee. He apologized to Bill Donohue, that thug in the Catholic League, for telling the Truth. Antisemitism is the product of historic orthodox (Catholic as well) Christianity.
Posted by: candide | May 15, 2008 10:05 AM
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what really is all the fuss about the book of revealation?its never been a rule that you have to vote republican if you are a christian.
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