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The descendant of an Apache, a jihad who recently arrived in the country and a Texan were waiting for a plane at El Paso international.

"Once we were many and now we are few" lamented the Apache.

"Once we were few and now we are many" boasted the jihad.

"We ain't played cowboys and Muslims yet" explained the Texan.

JoeT:
Some churches are not so welcoming, he conceded, acknowledging a national trend against immigration.

“Americans in general do feel threatened by people coming to our nation,” he said.

That is the biggest load of PC crap I have heard in a while. Americans are not threatened by immigrants and there is no "national trend" against immigration. We welcome immigrants of all nations. We are finally waking up to the fact that millions of ILLEGAL ALIENS have infiltrated our country and the problem needs to be dealt with. Immigrants arrived here legally they played by the rules and are due the legal rights of american ctizens. ILLEGAL ALIENS need to be deported. End of story
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Yeah, well all the 9-11 hijackers came into the country LEGALLY.

And I would say that the VAST majority of illegals end up working in jobs you dont want. They do not end up hijacking planes and flying them into buildings.

END OF STORY.

Anyone who jumps a fence or overstays their visa should be helped so they can have as many children as possible...

If we're lucky, they can then bring their elderly parents here, when they're in most need of health care.

After the Irish and Italians coming here in droves, what we need are more Catholics, because the US doesn't have enough of them.

That the Latinos are coming here in swarms is MANIFEST DESTINY.

You see a long time ago the sun rose on the european nations. The stage was set for the rise of the pale man to take the reins and set the standard and take the lead for religion, science, art, technology, etc. And so because of divine providence which even the Founding Fathers of this Nation acknowledged, God made of a humble, faithful, and frugal people a mighty nation even the USofA.

But with every sunrise there is a sunset. Not merely because of the forces of time but because of the change that occurs over generations to the children of those so highly blessed.

What are we now? A pitiful nation, full of malice, adoring the creature over the Creator, Loving lifeless insurance, roads, cars, houses, money, gadgets, over living human beings. We would uproot families to clear land so we could inhabit it and horde the resources that God created for all His children. We never have enough. We are never satisfied. We want to go to other countries and take their resources and get our way and then no let anyone into our country who seek to live under the lamp of liberty.

Manifest Destiny is happening once again. Those same Indians that were once chased into obscurity when the European immigrants came here because of divine providence are now returning – you see the Cherokee and the Maya are the same people – same blood, the Aztec and the Apache are the same blood, the Algonquin and the Inca are the same blood.

So when you see so many latinos coming back to this north American continent in droves as once the pale man did – Realize it is Manifest Destiny – The Latinos who you see as wild and savage will become an educated and noble people – Divine Providence will smile upon them as it has upon the Egyptians, Babylonians, and Europeans. They will become the leaders of tomorrow and God will smile upon them.

The sun is setting on us, but it will rise on others that will carry the torch – United States will Endure, because the United States is based on principles which a few people (56 founding fathers) were enlightened enough to identify and frame together to create the USofA because of God. The United States is not a color of skin nor a race of people, other civilizations have had the very same principles but with time it’s citizens became unworthy of it as we are seeing the children of this society become.

Can we reverse this progress or destiny. We can start by being humble, seeking equality for all people and treating others fairly and justly. Not using tyranny masked in the obedience of law, but genuine wisdom and prudence in the treatment of other people.

Love begets Love, and Peace begets more Peace. If You are sowing hate and selfishness you will thus reap it’s fruits.

The problem with Mexico and may other Latin American countries is the same...they are still suffering for the consequences of the Cold War politics that prevailed in the US. It's ridiculous to see people post things they know nothing about...hey guys, you might want to pick up a book on the subject instead of just going to websites that cater to your ideas.
And Mexico the place of Bull fighting and dog fighting? Please, let's not forget Michael Vick or the fact that Bull fighting is the national sport of SPAIN not Mexico. The whole rape thing, according to the UN to highest percentage of people that go to third world countries to buy child sex slaves come from the US and EU...

God Bless.
to everyone.

To "On the Solution":

Your message was so illiterate that it took me a while to decipher it. But if I am interpreting your message correctly, you raise an interesting issue about the TIN. However, you should know that even illegal immigrants can, at this time, use a TIN to pay federal taxes, and many already do. In fact, I work with immigrants, and every single one I know files a tax return each year. (In response to Dave: get your facts straight. Most end up paying additional taxes, the rest break even.)

On a related note, I am constantly amazed by the people who get on the internet to moan and groan about immigrants not speaking English, even as they butcher the language themselves. Remember what Jesus said about throwing stones? You should learn to speak at least rudimentary English yourself before you complain about others not doing so.

To put it bluntly without being PC the problem with Mexico is Mexicans. In hundreds of years the only type of society they have been able to build is a Cesspool of Crime, Corruption, Poverty, Misery and Cruelly! Look at their sports, Bull fighting, Horse tripping, Dog Fighting, Cock fighting, & of course rape is a great sport for the young men. Which you would think would hardly be necessary since sex is legal with 12 year old girls there. It would seem that would be enough like rape to satisfy even the most jaded! Not surprising as more Mexicans that come to this country the more like Mexico we become! In the long run it is either good or desirable for us or the world to allow Mexico to turn this country into another Third World Country. If any more proof is required look at the Border cities, they are as different as night and day. Obviously the land is the same so how to explain the poverty on the Mexican side other than Mexican culture?

"That unchristian people took the time to take part in a discussion On Faith just to spew vitrol is very sad indeed."

Tell me, is it only "Christian" illegal aliens who are acceptable? What about a few of my Muslim friends and colleagues from the Middle East? Is it OK for them to hop a plane to Mexico or Canada and sneak across the border?

Americans in general do feel threatened by people coming to our nation,” he said.

The good priest is being a little less than honest. Americans feel "threatened" by millions of people coming here illegally, working illegally, and then expecting to be treated as if they were legal immigrants or citizens!

If he, and his Church, feel so strongly about "helping the stranger", then they should provide assistance in returning illegal aliens to their homelands. I'm more than a little tired of so-called "charitable" organizations whose charity is financed by tax dollars squeezed out of hard-working Americans.

As I said before, now that we are feeling the pinch, the economy is in free fall and the party is over nothing makes us feel better to trash immigrants, especially immigrants. Especially in this election season where everybody wants to score some talking points.

Wait until the dust settles (hopefully) and you will see all this vitriol fading away until the next crisis comes up.

Approx. 30% of the prisoner are Third World Criminals that should not be in this country. They would not be if this Government would Abide by our Constitution Article IV Section IV against invasion and would enforce our Immigration Laws. We really need a few more prisoners like all the Politicians across the Nation that support & encourage this the largest Invasion in world history and make American Citizens pay for their Medical bills, welfare and Education for their numerous Spawn while they Kill, Rape, and rob American citizens by the 10,s of thousands each and every year!

Barack S. Obama is showing his white middle class upbringing and profound misunderstanding of the Black experience when he equates Latinos walking across the Border to the nearest welfare office as the same thing as Blacks experienced in Slavery and the fight for their Civil Rights. Obama, Hillary and the Democrats are in fact abandoning Blacks for the new minority Latinos. It is the beginning of the end for Black political power and their civil rights. Latinos has replaced blacks as the Minority to pander and promote. Latinos hater for Blacks and racist hater for everyone not a member of the Race will affect blacks first but in time destroy this Nation. As the Racist hate group, La Raza says everything for the race and nothing for the rest. Anyone that reads La Raza Manifesto and listens to Latino politicians & activist is the USA & Mexico should have no doubt what the future of this Nation will be. Unless we close our Borders and enforce our Immigration laws. But like the Jews in Germany listening to Hitler it is easier, less stressful and more Political Correct to close our eyes, ears, and mind,s than be Political Incorrect and face the truth about what Mexico,s and the Latinos organizations agenda and goals really are. We are seeing the beginning of the future by the ethic cleansing started by illegal Hispanics against Blacks in LA.

The Republicans love the cheap labor for the rich with the poor and middle class paying the 20K per year in welfare! The Democrats mouth waters at the thought of another 100 millions or so voter on welfare to vote for the Democrats party. We are giving this Nation to Mexico & in time will lead to another Catholic, Spanish speaking, third world Cesspool of Crime, Corruption, Poverty and Misery!

Considering the horrific illegal alien problem in this country- that costs us BILLIONS and brings in more violent crime, for Obama to be pandering to the illegal aliens is SHAMEFUL!

Obama's speech to La Raza:

(La Raza (The Race), Largest Hispanic organization in the U.S.
Lobbies for racial preferences, bilingual education, stricter hate crimes laws, mass immigration, and amnesty for illegal aliens )

Obama said the recent Senate immigration debate "was both ugly and racist in a way we haven't see since the struggle for civil rights."
SHAMEFUL!

Obama told La Raza that the mass protests lately of for immigration rights of Mexicans is equal in greatness to the civil rights protest of the past!
SHAMEFUL!

Omama supports La Raza's, the "DREAM Act," which would mandate states to offer in-state tuition rates to illegal aliens -- thus providing them with benefits not available to U.S. citizens from other states, as well as amnesty and other atrocities. Obama urged Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger to sign the Dream Act, a bill that would make illegal immigrant students who graduate from high school eligible for college aid. (Schwarzenegger vetoed a similar measure last year.)
SHAMEFUL!

Obama is currently displayed as banner bo thy on the Project Islamic Hope site. Some of the founders of this organization have been indicted for terrorist support.

Statistics on illegal aliens:
The Heritage Foundation ^ | 10/25/06 | Robert Rector
The National Academy of Sciences has estimated that each immigrant without a high school degree will cost U.S. taxpayers, on average, $89,000 over the course of his or her lifetime.[3] This is a net cost above the value of any taxes the immi*grant will pay and does not include the cost of educating the immigrant’s children, which U.S. taxpayers would also heavily subsidize. In this way, the roughly six million legal immigrants without a high school diploma will impose a net cost of around a half-trillion dollars on U.S. taxpayers over their lifetimes

Crime Statisitcs
95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.
86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.
75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.
24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually.
53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.
50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border.
71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or "transport coyotes".
47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.
63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens.
66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66%, 98% are illegal.
Birth Statistics
380,000 plus "anchor babies" were born in the U.S. in 2005 to illegal alien parents, making 380,000 babies automatically U.S.citizens.
97.2% of all costs incurred from those births were paid by the American taxpayers.
66% plus of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
Last Updated ( Friday, 20 July 2007 )

McNut,s reasons for Amnesty
McCain's God,s Children Argument!
Then there is they are all God,s children argument(Another McCain favor) well isn't everyone God,s children? If so then guess McCain is saying everyone and anyone has the right to Invade this Nation, waving their flags, demand their rights, while feasting at the trough of public welfare and Kill, Rape and Rob thousands of American citizens each year!

McCain's Lettuce Argument!
There's the "lettuce" argument -- we'll be paying $50/head (or starving)( McCain really likes this argument) if we don't have illegal aliens working in the fields. As Phil Martin, ag economist at UC Davis shows, the field labor cost in a $1 head of lettuce is about 6 cents. Triple those wages and Americans will do the jobs. (They're not career positions. They're seasonal jobs for young people, starting in the world of work. I have did similarly menial jobs.) And you'll be paying 10% more for lettuce and other produce. Do you spend $1,000/year on produce? OK, you'll pay $100 more.

There are approx. 20 to 30 millions Illegal Aliens in the USA less than 2% work in the fields but 43 % are on Welfare. If you count their Medical cost and Educating their Spawn at a cost of 7 to 10k per year to American Tax payers as Welfare then close to 100% are on Welfare that American poor and middle class pay an average of 20k per year so the rich have a unlimited supply of slave labor and the Democrats the Welfare vote!

The lettuce argument also parallels that for the retention of slavery.

Immigrant Argument!
There's the "everyone's an immigrant except for the 'Native Americans'" argument. Well, the American Indians didn't sprout from the land, they came across the Bering land bridge from Asia. So if the criterion is "You're an immigrant if you had an ancestor who immigrated here," then American Indians are immigrants, too.

In that case, "immigrant" is no longer a useful word, since Everyone's an immigrant.

Stole Southwest Argument!
There's the "the U.S. stole the southwest" argument. Well, the land in dispute was "owned" by Spain for a couple of centuries. Then by Mexico for about 25 years. During these periods, there weren't more than a few thousand Spaniards or Mexicans in the entire territory. It's been owned by the U.S. for about 160 years now, much longer than Mexico's reign. And the U.S. has actually done something with the land, made it habitable for tens of millions. As Robert Kaplan has described, the difference between American and Mexican "twin cities" straddling the border is like night and day, yet the land is obviously the same. It's not the dirt that's important, it's the people. Put another way, if culture didn't matter, Mexico and Central America would be paradise.

Illegal pay taxes Argument!

There's the "illegal aliens pay tons of taxes" argument. Sure, they all pay real estate taxes (in rent) and sales taxes (most states). Those working on the books (typically using stolen Social Security numbers) pay FICA and, perhaps, income taxes. But they're mostly ill-educated and low-skilled and pay very low taxes connected to their working -- in fact, most claim the Earned Income Tax Credit, i.e. negative income tax! If a family with both parents working has two kids in school, that's at least $15k/year just for schooling, way more than the taxes on, say, $35k/year aggregate income.

Robert Rector at the Heritage Foundation has done the systematic accounting on all this. A typical household headed by a low-skilled illegal alien is a net drain of about $20k/year for the rest of us, year after year. (Low-skilled Americans are a similar burden, but they're part of the national family, not gate crashers from other societies.)

Illegal Bad..Amnesty good Argument!

There's the "illegal immigration is bad, but make them citizens and problem solved" argument. Nope. If that were the case, legalizing (i.e. amnestying) the illegal aliens would solve the problem. But they'd still be (on average) low-skilled workers whose burden on the rest of us would continue. In fact, once legal they'd be able to access more public benefits programs, so their cost to the rest of us would actually rise substantially. In short, most of the problems of mass illegal immigration are shared by mass amnestying them.

The flood of immigrants drives wages and living conditions in our central cities toward those of the Third World.

- The influx imposes both sprawl and gridlock on our metropolitan areas.

- Immigrant families needing services overwhelm our schools, taxpayer-funded health care facilities, and other public agencies.

- Those requiring services don’t assimilate and, instead, expect to be served in their native languages.

- American civic culture frays as each ethnic group establishes its own grievance lobby and pushes for preferences.

- Communicable diseases such as tuberculosis (new, drug-resistant strains) return.

- Shortages of water and other resources loom, especially in immigration-blitzed Southwest.

Most that come across our open borders come from countries where, Crime, Corruption, Poverty, Misery, Anti-education, and hate for Americans has existed for centuries and is normal. Should anyone be surprised they bring those same family values across the border with them?

Overpopulation, congestion, urban sprawl, pollution, environmental damage, crime, diminishing resources, Diseases, lack of affordable housing, depressed wages, underground economic, fraudulent documents, identity thief, tax invasion, soaring crime rate, increased tax burdens, overcrowded schools, uneducated children, overcrowded prisons, inadequate health care, the balkanization of our communities and a large and growing population with loyally to other Nations, the overall decline in our quality of life are the result of unconstrained illegal immigration! America cannot accept the worlds population of other Nations Criminals, Undesirables and Uneducated Peons. Too many people chasing too few resources is not sound economic, social or cultural policy. This is not racism but pragmatism & common sense! Every industrialized nation has taken steps to end illegal immigration and to limit legal immigration to only that which is prudent, demonstrably necessary, and above all other concerns, in the best interest of their native population. Its insane to suggest that America should not do likewise!

The illegal invasion can only be understood by the corrupting influence on politicians of money for cheap labor for the Republicans or the Welfare votes for the Democrats that makes them dishonor their Oath of Office, the US Constitution against Invasion, and Enforcement of our Immigration Laws!

Hey what's the matter with you people? I enjoy the additional crime, gang's, higher taxes, overpopulation, graffiti, trash, loitering and my favorite, identity theft! We are all Gods children so let's send the Navy over to Africa or Haiti and bring in about 50 million more underpriveledge people to make it even more fair than it is now! I am sure they will be good citizens as well and pay their taxes just like our friends from south of the border!

The TIN#/IRS/Illegals paying taxes like every law abiding, hard working American is brilliant. Jorge...what do we blame illegals for? Terrorism? Global Warming? A failing economy? The War in Iraq? Get real dude.
Jorge, did you know that in DC, MD, and VA, you don't have to have a SSN# to apply and receive Medicaid. Did you also know that Medicaid recipients are covered at the rate of 100% (meaning they don't pay squa)? Did you know that an average pediatric visit for something like asthma or even bronchitis can top $500, including medical supplies and prescriptions? Jorge, who do you think pays for that? American taxpayers, who are LEGAL RESIDENTS OF this GREAT COUNTRY. The national bill for services provided to illegal aliens in this country is, by some estimates, over $1 Billion and climbing rapidly. I am a Christian, but I also believe laws, while they may not follow precisely the Old Testament to the "T", are necessary, and in this case, JUST. Besides, the Bible contradicts itself on whether divorce should be allowed at least 3 times I am aware of. And the money that is made by illegals in the U.S.? Hundreds of Millions of $ a year are sent to their home countries, not to help boost the U.S. economy, which is the # 1 provider of ECONOMIC AID TO ALL LATIN COUNTRIES (besides Venezuela)...Billions and Billions of dollars. Illegals tending church services? That's one thing. Faith should be shared, I agree...citizenship and residency? It is earned, not a God given right to those who break the law and enter the U.S. by stealth.

Hey Joet, let me wake you up, of all those immigrants you see around and everyday performing some sort of labor you wouldn't even consider doing, chances are 90% are illegals. They cook your food, harvest your vegetables, trim your grass, paint your house, clean your office at night after you go home.....shall I continue?

So please, get real, you're also part of this process, America needs this kind of labor force to maintain dirt cheap prices so that you don't feel ripped off next time you go to a supermarket and pay out of the wazoo for, say, a cauliflower or a pint of strawberries, heck, if you even bother looking at the bottom of your paper grocery bag you will see a latino name stamped on it. Yes sir, most likely an illegal immigrant who makes your life easier.

Now, let's consider the following, how about giving a chance to all those illegal immigrants who are commited to make a decent living in this country? and, indeed, kick out all those with criminal records or gang members. See?, we get to keep the good ones and our productivity doesn't suffer that much.

Hey Joet, let me wake you up, of all those immigrants you see around and everyday performing some sort of labor you wouldn't even consider doing, chances are 90% are illegals. They cook your food, harvest your vegetables, trim your grass, paint your house, clean your office at night after you go home.....shall I continue?

So please, get real, you're also part of this process, America needs this kind of labor force to maintain dirt cheap prices so that you don't fell ripped off next time you go to a supermarket and pay out of the wazoo for, say, a couliflower or a pint of strawberries, heck, if you even bother looking at the bottom of your paper grocery bag you will see a latino name stamped on it. Yes sir, most likely an illegal immigrant who makes your life easier.

Now, let's consider the following, how about giving a chance to all those illegal immigrants who are commited to make a decent living in this country? and, indeed, kick out all those with criminal records or gang members. See?, we get to keep the good ones and our productivity doesn't suffer that much.

To me, its obvious the United States needs millions of more undereducated laborers.

With also need more Catholics since the United States doesn't have enough of them either.

That unchristian people took the time to take part in a discussion On Faith just to spew vitrol is very sad indeed.

Some churches are not so welcoming, he conceded, acknowledging a national trend against immigration.

“Americans in general do feel threatened by people coming to our nation,” he said.

That is the biggest load of PC crap I have heard in a while. Americans are not threatened by immigrants and there is no "national trend" against immigration. We welcome immigrants of all nations. We are finally waking up to the fact that millions of ILLEGAL ALIENS have infiltrated our country and the problem needs to be dealt with. Immigrants arrived here legally they played by the rules and are due the legal rights of american ctizens. ILLEGAL ALIENS need to be deported. End of story.

A Definition of Not Ducumented and those who are Legaly Documented:

A genuine "AMRiCAN" ,aka "U.S. Of A."'er's, is some one who is, by birth or Naturalized, a "documented" TEAM-PLAYER all the way, not half way! Having certain inalienable right indeed.

SUGGESTiON:

Please help all/every/any "iLLEGAL" (Not Documented Justly) congregate(s) or stranger(s), to fill-out I.R.S./Dep't TREAUSARY 'Form-W-7' aka "TiN" number or "TAXPAYER iDENTIFICATION Number. (like a 9-digit S.S.# or Biz E.i.N#).

iMPORTANT: IT's FREE & LEGAL & the only Criteria is to have a Ligit issued Passport of that person's Ebassy, Counslulate, Nation, AND to have a bonofide Address!

Hence: Every body is happy. The reciepient, Employer & Uncle-Sam, and American's & WAPO bloggers too!

So, This "TiN#" will help them "legally' pay-taxes (while here, but NO-tax return privilage) apply for a drivers License, Go to school & other good tidings.

iNCAMERA (Secret): IF , one who has a "TiN#" and can show they have payed taxex, work & lagit address etc.. THEN a "FEDERAL iMIGRATON" [D.H.S.] JUDGE or MAGiSTRATE, From the "Dep't of Justice", will most likely be "FAVORABLE" to those WHO-HAVE "TiN#", ELSE those who HAVE-NOT, so to speaketh will have no 'Chance'!

This is a Best of three-worlds scenerio: Good for SELF esteem, the Employee & Mrs. & Mr. Uncle SAMMY Baby's!

Here is the "W-7" linko & explanation. ENjOY!

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/fw7.pdf

"There's alway's an Answer!"

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I'm very happy to see the faith community speak about the immigration issue...compassion is desperately needed in Prince William County.

What is God's word for immigrants? Here it is in Leviticus 19:33-34:

And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him. [But] the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I [am] the LORD your God.

There you have it. God wants us to treat immigrants just as we would treat native-born Americans. In other words, once they come over, they automatically receive the rights of citizens. Anything else would be Biblically incorrect. But you are still allowed to buy their children as slaves (Lev. 25:45).

Whenever a first world country hits rough times the first ones to be blamed are illegal immigrants, as scapegoats they are fantastic, aren't they?. This is not the first time it happens.

When prosperity thrives (remember the Clinton years?) they usually go unnoticed, after all, don't they take care of the mundane tasks (cleaning, gardening, trash collection, cooking, babysitting, etc) to allow the most educated and well off to function properly?. None of you have the time or willingness to put up with those demands.

Immigrants are indeed neighbors in need.

In need of deportation.