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Free Palistine!

jacob-so why do eclatarians hate muslims so much then?

The next time George goes overseas we should lock him out. ..... I cannot understand why George has a belly that can tell him who is dangerous and I don't.

How did you get on the subject of Israel? This is about a Muslim speaker who could not get a visa. Why do you have to blast Israel and Jews? That's not even the subject matter.

I think it is disgraceful we have not given a visa to Ramadan. I'd like to hear what he has to say.

Lets just all agree that we're counting the days until Bush leaves office. Also...it seems pretty obvious that Jozevz is either a 14 year old kid having fun at the expense of too-serious adults or someone who is short a few marbles....

DCGuy:

"I'm starting to think that Jozevz might be a 14 year old kid getting his jollies on getting us all riled up. If so, well done young man."

I think you may be onto something. I Googled Eclatarianism, or "Church of the New Song," and it's a religion started by a couple prisoners as an attempt at circumventing prison discipline: e.g., the practice of their religion requires that the prison give them better food.

I believe "Jozevz" has been jerking our chain.

Huh??

Victoria wrote: and what banking system in palestine?

Jozevz,

King David, Yahweh's chosen one, sent a man to battle to die so he could sleep with his wife.

Abraham had concubines as well -- that's how he fathered Ishmael, the father of the Arabs.

Your Islamophobia is unfounded and misguided.

jacob has gone to the electric kool aid well a few times too many-

the synapses dont seem to be connecting-

i agree- the man who wrote peace train? not allowed in america. the amazing thing is though, yusuf islam travels with a large retinue- is hounded by the press wherever he goes, and he still managed to get to america before anyone noticed he was not allowed here-
so much for so called security-

as far as muslim charities go- the muslims of amrica etition the us government at ramadan to find out which charities are acceptable to donate to-
the answer?
all muslim charities are suspect-hence none can be given to without ending up on a watch list-

while its precisely the soical services offered by hamas that made them get elected- this seems to escape coverage-

and what banking system in palestine?

ah well, life in america

joe mccarthy would be proud

I have long believed that in the Holy Land, the primary difference between "terrorists" and "soldiers" is the presence of uniforms. If only the ends are being considered, then this holds true. If one considers the means, and grants that the IDF, for the most part, tries to limit civilian casualties, (within their abilities) then the IDF is less terroristic than Hamas. But the problem is, Israel is in power, and they have other means of waging war than simple murder -- for example, economically crippling the Palestinian areas and diverting their water for Israeli settlements and Israeli agriculture.

The US support for Israel involves more than just money and lobbying. The preference most Americans have for one side of a longtime conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians can also be compared to the prevalence of Francophobia in the US. American francophobia is largely fueled by the fact that France's traditional rival, England, has sent large numbers of immigrants to the States in our history. (and laid the groundwork) On the other hand, there have not been similar mass waves of French immigrants -- thus, we feel much "closer" to Britain than France. In the same way, we've had large waves of Jewish immigrants before, after WWII, and as part of the eastern European immigrant waves at the turn of the 20th century. America has never had a similar amount of Arab immigrants, so on top of AIPAC and the ADL's lobbying, there is a built-in sympathy for Israel over Palestine, all other things being equal.

Of course, then again, our sympathy for Israel could just be due to Jews controling the international media and banking system, and all of America's policies actually coming from Tel Aviv...

(And if you believe that, I've got some beachfront property in Arizona to sell you.)

Well put DC guy, I would like to add that the terror in the land of the Palistinians is on both sides. So why is it that the world powers will fund one side and freeze the assets of the other? Dirty politics is my answer. Plain old greedy dirty politics.

I'm starting to think that Jozevz might be a 14 year old kid getting his jollies on getting us all riled up. If so, well done young man.

Anyways, back to the task at hand, the problem with the political consciousness that prevails in this country is that a majority see "terrorism" as absolute -- because our primary experience is with al-Qaida, and Qaida IS an absolute terrorist organization. Europe, on the other hand, has been dealing with regional "terrorists", that can be bargained with, for decades -- witness ETA in Spain, the IRA in the UK, etc.

What many people fail to realize is that Hezbollah, Hamas, etc. really DO have charitable wings. This is why even the UK and Australia, 2 of our closest allies, for example, have Hezbollah's military wing listed as a terrorist organization but not its political or charitable wings. It really IS possible to donate to Hamas to support charitable works among the downtrodden Palestinian people. However, in our government's view, giving ANY money to an organization that may be linked to terrorism is equitable with direct support of terrorism. (Which is hypocritical, given the money we've donated in aid to the Palestinian Authority over the years... even though Fatah itself has the Al-Aqsa military wing) I also have to believe that strong pro-Israel lobbying from AIPAC and the ADL lead to this hardline policy as well.

It's a shame that this sort of understanding of the differences between worldwide terrorist networks and those of a more regional nature, who have a tangible political goal, is absent in Washington. Hence, Mr. Ramadan cannot get a visa.

D.A.B.D.A.J. JITTERS! (see Dr. Elizabeth Kubla Ross) where HUMATES go through G-ds phases via in their own DABDA's.

D= Disbelief

A=Anger

B=Bargaining

D=depression

A=Acceptance

I have a present for you and ALL the Brothers and Sisters on Space-Ship Earth MATE. :-) Here it is:
Greetings & Hello World:

Dear Brother & Sisters on Space Ship EARTH & elsewhere;

ATTENTION ALL HANDS:

There is nothing like a good Philosophy right?

So: LET HISTORY BE OUR JURY!

This is why one needs to see the

true "F.E.A.R.L.E.S.S" Lord-Eclat. And one needs to feel (hence one will literly see) their COSMIC HOLY HEART BEAT" in the Universal PALANDROME.

And knowledge of the CISTYLTIC CYCLE (like your chamber and heart pressure a/k/a the MIZAN (Arabic for "Balance" of Cosmic TRANSFINITY (Reality) in each and every thing. ya Ya..

NO-MORE DABDA Jitters. And hence, there will be an USHERING of the Light Thinkers & their bringers of the "Cosmic truth and HUMATES place in IT or ITSELF eternally in between ALL NINE Dimentions of TIME.

I agree with both Anonymous post your both very right. It seems like the Islam that the Bush administration wants to push is only the extreme viewpoint.

All the idiotic posts belong one dumb a@# of a person whose is straight koo-koooooooo, too much Foxnews for you man, lay off on whatever drugs your on....nobody understands you

How regrettable and shameful, that the great USA-in fact Cluless Bush representing the grat USA-barres an Swiss scholar-who happened to be a Muslim-from coming to speak-in the best American tradition-on Islam and especially Western Muslims-at Notare dame University. In the mean time Oxford University invited Mr.Ramamdan to make a contributio. the Bush gang does not want the American people to hear the true and civilized face of Islam-instead it wants to show the few extremists so it can continue to sell its false message and strategy of FEAR.

Another proof is the barring and turning of the British pop singer Yousef Islam back and not allwoing him entery into the US? Mr.Islam was totally dedicated to helping in charity work to the Bosnian victims of genocide commtted by the serbs. Unless Mr.Islam music is a threat to US national security.

Would the Bush administration dare to barr a jewish/israeli speaker from enetring the US?

ANNONYmous et al

You said, (on the other thread);

".... It's what many books and many pastors have echoed over many years ..."

During my International Smuggling days, ( Pakistan, afganistan, Iran, India etcc and all over there)

I remember when I would be sleeping, then awekened In some Inter Contonental hotel, Marriott or in where ever Islam country [includes Turkey & Iran et al) THAT::

In ARABIC and now ON-LOUD- SPEAKERS systems, For all the world to hear ( I find that repulsive and insaine) The Mosques & their Cantors (reciters or religious singers or immam, would wake me up in that "...Allah Akbar..." Stuff!

It was a if the Islamic Rooster "Cocka Doodle Do's" for your rude awakening.. Ya Ya Mon!

THIS Is WHY & How, Islam gets sustained or preserved. In brooklyn, N.Y., the Cops will ticket them. and posibbly close them down. Ya? Ya!

Now We should know why they are Hard Headed under those SCHmottess!

Oh, ANNONYMOUS, I like your Arabic Letters: in Shallah. Praise Eclati the true SOURCE ONE.

The all knowing and all powerfull ECLAT. Ya Ya!

Jozevz,

What is your question??

Are you really going to "PROVE" that I am "dumb or blind"?

Are you really going to "immancipate"(sic) me?

I would expect such a clearly enlightened secular individual such as yourself to be able to spell and type correctly, and properly construct questions and arguments.

Jozevz,

If you're going to post unintelligible babble, please light up another joint and post it in Yahoo Chat or something like that.

At the very LEAST, please, TRY to make a coherent argument.

Your a loser and not worth my time. Go read a book or something.

Jacob..,

Your probably the most ignorant and backward person I have ever come across. Who listens to you but yourself?