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I just happened onto this site today and was reading some of the comments. You might want to go to Matthew and read, in context, the " turn the other check" phrase from the Surmon on the Mount. Jesus was referring to "religous persecustion". He was saying to turn the other cheek rather than fight over religous differences. Gently bring your opposer to your point of view. In Luke He also says, and I parphrase " he who is armed and guards his home, will have a safe home". It's in Luke, look it up. Have a nice day

Would God call atheists fools if they are not fools or idiots?

If only all people on earth are true believers of Christ, no bullet is necessary. And because that is not the case, peace loving people must defend themselves. The arms race only happened because atheist Russia was building lots of weapons to dominate the world. In fact, it was Russia who first incited Muslim extremism when they overun Afghanistan in the 70s.

If not for superior American weapons, you idiots here won't be able to speak your mind coz there is no such thing as freedom of speech in a world under communist rule. If not for superior weapons, the world would be living like North Korea to this day.

The Catholic faith is not a Christian religion. It has cathechism which are made by man and not the word of God. It's one of the most evil institution ever created by man. It has lots of innocent people's blood in its hand. They were defeated in many previous wars that is why they look so tame today. If not for superior weapons adopted by their enemies, their evil dictatorial and forced way of worship would have been continuing upto this day.

Poor Catholics, you were duped by your priests. Read the Bible and learn from it directly instead. Cathechism like the ones above are written by idiots. Elizabeth Tenety, may have good intentions but she's simply misguided by this devil institution.

Christ warned of false religions. So beware.

******

Islam is another false religion and see what Afghanistan did to a journalist who just stated what he thinks of Islam.

America is wasting a lot of money and American lives to install an equally dumb government after overthrowing a dumb one.

Europe was once a dumb continent (it's dumb now for another reason)when it was under Catholicism wherein nobody was allowed to criticize that religion.

If the U.S can't establish a "Bill of Rights" constitution in that place, it's all a waste for our military to stay in that place.

We're just defending a stupid government and society.

Patrick,

I assume I'm included in your group of nutjobs and loonies.

That's fine, but you haven't refuted in the slightest my analysis of the Just War doctrine in relation to the Roman Church. Want to give it a try?

Regards.

What a fabulous collection of nutjobs and anti-Catholic loonies. The most dangerous people in all the world have always been zealots - from all faiths, political beliefs, etc. When you become so fervent and unquestioning in your beliefs that you can't examine them, or the beliefs of others, in a rational manner, you have crossed the line into zealotry. You are no longer a thinking human being, using the powerful mind that your creator, or chimpanzee predecessors, or what / who you belive made you, gave you. You are an empty vessel. You are a machine - repeat, repeat, repeat, but devoid of the ability to learn, or feel. For shame.

The Catholic god has killed large numbers of humans with sure and overwhelming force. Why wouldn't Christians emulate his example?

The Roman Catholic Church's espousal of a "Just War" doctrine shows once again that it is not a Christian church.

Jesus said "Turn the other cheek", meaning that it is better to not resist and to accept death, than to resist and kill.

If the Church really believed its own teachings (which it evidently does not) on Heaven and the resurrection, it would be clear to the Church that its adherents would be better off to simply die unresistingly and arrive in paradise, than to violate the Sixth Commandment.

By preaching resistance and the killing of enemies, the Roman Church shows its own fear of death, its willingness to kill to avoid death, and its nonbelief in Heaven and the resurrection.

This shows that the Church does not believe its own doctrine that those who hold to the moral law have nothing to fear from dying.

A duplicitous and nonbelieving institution, is it not?

The Roman Catholic Church's espousal of a "Just War" doctrine shows once again that it is not a Christian church.

Jesus said "Turn the other cheek", meaning that it is better to not resist and to accept death, than to resist and kill.

If the Church really believed its own teachings (which it evidently does not) on Heaven and the resurrection, it would be clear to the Church that its adherents would be better off to simply die unresistingly and arrive in paradise, than to violate the Sixth Commandment.

By preaching resistance and the killing of enemies, the Roman Church shows its own fear of death, its willingness to kill to avoid death, and its nonbelief in Heaven and the resurrection.

This shows that the Church does not believe its own doctrine that those who hold to the moral law have nothing to fear from dying.

A duplicitous and nonbelieving institution, is it not?

The Roman Catholic Church's espousal of a "Just War" doctrine shows once again that it is not a Christian church.

Jesus said "Turn the other cheek", meaning that it is better to not resist and to accept death, than to resist and kill.

If the Church really believed its own teachings (which it evidently does not) on Heaven and the resurrection, it would be clear to the Church that its adherents would be better off to simply die unresistingly and arrive in paradise, than to violate the Sixth Commandment.

By preaching resistance and the killing of enemies, the Roman Church shows its own fear of death, its willingness to kill to avoid death, and its nonbelief in Heaven and the resurrection.

This shows that the Church does not believe its own doctrine that those who hold to the moral law have nothing to fear from dying.

A duplicitous and nonbelieving institution, is it not?

SPIDERMAN2, you are mine.

Ash said:

"Regardless of the efficiency of this weapon or any other, war is simply organized murder.

No 'rules of war', no 'humane' tactical doctrine, no justification, and no religious or idealogical purpose will ever change that. They only serve to distract us from war's essential brutality."

I couldn't agree more. There is no way to morally justify war, regardless of the intentions of the warmongers. The obvious (and ridiculous) argument is that sometimes it takes violence and war to make peace, thus morally justifying the killing. Indeed, sometimes war is NECESSARY...but don't try to equate necessity with what is morally right.

It is necessary (sadly) to increase the efficacy of weaponry. It is not morally right to do so.

Craig

Mr. Malleck,

The theory on spiderman2 is that he is a young teenager that just likes to get on peoples nerves. He really has nothing valuable to say; most of us have accepted him as part of the "background noise" of being on these sites.
He is easily ignored, and no adult reading this site will think negatively of you if he ends up calling you an "idiot", since that seems to be the only thing he is good at.

Mohamed, blame the idiocy and not me. Is that cle, clea, clear, clearr?

Regardless of the efficiency of this weapon or any other, war is simply organized murder.

No 'rules of war', no 'humane' tactical doctrine, no justification, and no religious or idealogical purpose will ever change that. They only serve to distract us from war's essential brutality.

SPIDERMAN,

You write "... you idiots here won't be able to speak your mind".

Thank God, I did not have a thorough idiot like you in mind when I started posting on WAPO On Faith Forum.

I thought I had seen an invitation reading: "We encourage users to analyze, comment on and even challenge washingtonpost.com's articles, blogs, reviews and multimedia features.

User reviews and comments that include profanity or personal attacks or other inappropriate comments or material will be removed from the site. Additionally, entries that are unsigned or contain "signatures" by someone other than the actual author will be removed. Finally, we will take steps to block users who violate any of our posting standards, terms of use or privacy policies or any other policies governing this site."

Oh, that was WAPO, not YOU. But then YOU are the intruder.

Would God call atheists fools if they are not fools or idiots?

If only all people on earth are true believers of Christ, no bullet is necessary. And because that is not the case, peace loving people must defend themselves. The arms race only happened because atheist Russia was building lots of weapons to dominate the world. In fact, it was Russia who first incited Muslim extremism when they overun Afghanistan in the 70s.

If not for superior American weapons, you idiots here won't be able to speak your mind coz there is no such thing as freedom of speech in a world under communist rule. If not for superior weapons, the world would be living like North Korea to this day.

The Catholic faith is not a Christian religion. It has cathechism which are made by man and not the word of God. It's one of the most evil institution ever created by man. It has lots of innocent people's blood in its hand. They were defeated in many previous wars that is why they look so tame today. If not for superior weapons adopted by their enemies, their evil dictatorial and forced way of worship would have been continuing upto this day.

Poor Catholics, you were duped by your priests. Read the Bible and learn from it directly instead. Cathechism like the ones above are written by idiots. Elizabeth Tenety, may have good intentions but she's simply misguided by this devil institution.

Christ warned of false religions. So beware.

The author asks : " Who pays for this technology? Who suffers? Who benefits?" and goes on to note that " The Catechism of the Catholic Church offers one important insight".

Well instead of insights, here are the facts: World total military expenditures (2004 est.), $1,100 billion, made up of :

1. United States (FY08 budget), $623 billion
2. China (2004), $65 billion
3. Russia, $50 billion
4. France (2005), $45 billion
5. Japan (2007), $41.75 billion
6. Germany (2003), $35.1 billion
7. Italy (2003), $28.2 billion
8. South Korea (2003), $21.1 billion
9. India (2005 est.), $19 billion
10. Saudi Arabia (2005 est.), $18 billion

World total (minus the United States), $500 billion.

In 1990, the value of the weapons, equipment, and factories devoted to the Department of Defense was 83% of the value of all plants and equipment in American manufacturing. From 1947 to 1990, the combined US military budgets amounted to $8.7 trillion

The 2007 Global Insight study on the long-term economic impact of increased military spending by Economist Dean Baker of the Center for Economic and Policy Research of Washington,DC found that, after 10 years of higher defense spending, there would be 464,000 fewer jobs than in a baseline scenario that involved lower defense spending.

Between the 1940s and 1996, the United States spent at least $5.8 trillion on the development, testing and construction of nuclear bombs. By 1967, the peak year of its nuclear stockpile, the US possessed some 32,500 deliverable atomic and hydrogen bombs, none of which, thankfully, was ever used.

According to the US Department of Defense, during the four decades from 1947 through 1987 it used (in 1982 dollars) $7.62 trillion in capital resources. In 1985, the Department of Commerce estimated the value of the nation's plant and equipment, and infrastructure, at just over $7.29 trillion. In other words, the amount spent over that period could have doubled the American capital stock or modernized and replaced its existing stock.

Today's news reports that there are 17,000 bridges across the nation that have not ben inspected for safety.

Finally, as Harvard University Professor of Economics Benjamin Freidman recently noted :
"Again and again it has always been the world's leading lending country that has been the premier country in terms of political influence, diplomatic influence, and cultural influence.... But today the US is no longer the world's leading lending country. In fact it is now the world's biggest debtor country".

These facts announce the hard reality that is finally hitting us.

Buster

"Aren't we missing the point? God has made us stewards over His earth. The efficient use of natural resources should be part of every decision we make. People are gonna be killed; heck, that's what wars are for. The point is to kill with the least resources possible.

This new weapon seems to do that. God be praised!"

The world view of economics now driving weapons development! And with God's blessing. Hurray! Effectiveness, more 'bang (kill)' for the buck. In the end, we are the good ones anyway, the other ones are the bad guys, by definition, always.

The Holy folks, murderous once they are unleashed, here, there, everywhere.

Buster, it's sarcasm, right? I mean, for a split second I was unsure, indeed. Could have been real. But isn't. !!!!???????????????????????

Martin Ct wrote:

"This may have been a factor in the rush to war in Iraq and Afghanistan -- our precision guided weapons dropped from the air will make for a quick and cheap victory."

And hopefully, the high cost of these wars of choice, both in human lives (for civilians and soldiers) as well as dollars, makes clear the utter folly of ever expecting any war to be "quick and cheap".

And I hope Buster is kidding...

Aren't we missing the point? God has made us stewards over His earth. The efficient use of natural resources should be part of every decision we make. People are gonna be killed; heck, that's what wars are for. The point is to kill with the least resources possible.

This new weapon seems to do that. God be praised!

"Can efficiency in warfare be a Christian mandate?"

Methinks you are overthinking Xtianity.

Whatever the method, war is abhorrent, although OCCASIONALLY necessary. Whatever wins it faster and easier for my side makes me happy. It's even better if it's an entirely non-lethal weapon, or one of such strength it never has to be used yet is convincing enough to end the violence.

I think any time we pick up a weapon, Gaia cries because we have forgotten a simple rule even my 6 year old knows....

"Use your words"

Those who choose not to are immoral in my opinion, as are those who claim 'Better over there than over here.' Xtianity discussing whether a weapon makes them better Xtians isn't moral either, it's shades of grey that all mean we've disappointed your concept of God.

Consider that if the US had not had the weapons it possesses it might not have ventured into Iraq. But our comfort in our strength made the decision too easy. Who was building a bomb shelter as Bush prepared America for war?

War only stops when the two sides are weary of war, and wars do not start when the threat of loss is great (the brilliance of Mutually Assured Distruction). So strength is of course what you want if you are attacked, but it also lead those bent on war to not fear it, the "cakewalk" scenraio.

The solution is to make war what the Constritution meant for it to be, a last resort that needs to be approved by Congress. Avoiding that Constitutional mandate has landed us in Vietnam and Iraq. It is time for Congress to clearly outline how wars in this nation are started and with what authority. Only under such restraint and guidance should strength be allowed to accumulate and be used as a deterence.

Can efficiency in warfare be a Christian mandate? Only a fanatical evangelical Christian would even think of such a question. War is evil and there is no doubt about it. Violence against your fellow man is evil. Wasting the world's resources to develop new and better ways of killing our fellow man is evil.

Swift strength? Yes, maybe, if you accept Just War reasoning, which seems to underpin the mainstream Catholic view. However, there are likely to be paradoxical effects. Having more accurate and lethal offensive weapons reduces the perceived cost (both in dollars and collateral damage) of using them, so war may become more likely. This may have been a factor in the rush to war in Iraq and Afghanistan -- our precision guided weapons dropped from the air will make for a quick and cheap victory.

All this is foreign to my understanding of Jesus' teaching and the life of the early church. Who lives by the sword will die by the sword. Do good to those who persecute you. By your fruits they shall know you.

Christians go to war, but there is no Christian war.

God gave each person agency, to do good or bad, as he or she chooses. This is why there is evil and war. We cannot control other people's choices. We can only protect ourselves and try to convince others of the way to truth and happiness in God's plan of salvation.
We are sometimes required to go to war, to protect ourselves, or to protect those who cannot defend themselves. This latter is true christian service, laying down one's life to save another.
If we are able to do so, we have a responsibility to protect the defenceless. If we are not able to deter an agressor, we suffer the consequences, as we did in World War II.