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Islam, Science and Me

So in peeling through the research archives of the Arab-West Report today I came across quite an interesting passage in the Qur’an, cited in an Egyptian news media outlet talking about kuffars, or unbelievers and/or atheists.

Sura 45:24: “And they say: ‘What is there but our life in this world? We shall die and we live, and nothing but Time can destroy us.’ But of that they have no knowledge: they merely conjecture.”

Maybe I would quibble a little, but no real arguments here. To continue…

Sura 45:25: “And when Our Clear Signs are rehearsed to them, their argument is nothing but this: they say, ‘Bring (back) our forefathers, if what you say is true!’”

Ah, yes. Me and my conjecture.

I have heard about the Qur’an’s insight on astronomy and embryology so many times that I’m going to throw a glass ant at the next person who tries to woo my Western, scientifically-inclined noggin’ with scientific proof of the Qur’an’s holiness. (Yes, I have, on more than a dozen occasions, been accosted by Muslims in the midst of a dawa-induced fervor try to convince me that ants are, in fact, made of glass, via sura 27:18.)

For a website arguing the ants are made of glass, click here.

Islam is an interesting religion when it comes to arguing about science. It takes itself very seriously scientifically, reminding the Western tradition that the ideas of the Greeks and Romans incubated (and, indeed, flourished) in places like Damascus and Baghdad for a couple hundred years while the Europeans were festering in the Dark Ages.

Which is disappointing considering what passes for “Muslim science” of the everyday type is quotations about ants or interesting but largely unconvincing acts about babies and super novas. Unfortunately, this sort of predisposition does seem to have at least a nominal root in the Qur’anic text.

The supposition being laid out here (scroll down to 45:24), but I’ll summarize as follows:

1 – We have a book.
2 – You do not have a book.
3 – Why rule God out if you can’t “prove” it’s true.
4 – We can “prove” God by this book.

Sigh. Establishing rational superiority based on an Islamic Pascal’s wager doesn’t bode well for everyone’s intellectual outlook.

I’ll cede that maybe I don’t have all my bases covered. But at least on the Day and the Hour of Judgment, I’ll look Allah in the eye and tell him I didn’t hedge.

And since belief is only one-half of what counts (sura 45:30), maybe He’ll let me slide.

By David Grant  |  October 19, 2007; 1:02 PM ET  | Category:  Southern Skeptic
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Dear Athena,

*The observational astronomy*,if you mean *movement of stars* first practiced sooooo much before Greek,Persians and islam.Sumerians(BC 4000),Ancient Egyptians,Babylonians and Sabaeans(written in Quran) were observing *the stars*.Arabic names of Stars dont mean anything and dont prove anything.
On the contrary,islam rejects *moonejjeem/astronomer*.First Ottoman Observatory,established by Taqqiyaddeen Efendee,has been burnt down by the islamists in sixteenth century.

I ask *a little question*
If islam knows what *astronomy is,where is the historic and present *islamic Observatory*

*When your ancestors and mine were busily cutting each others' head off* you say.What was islam then doing ? Islam also was cutting off heads and islam mandates *Beheading*
8.12 says *strike off their heads*
47.4 says *smite their necks*
5.33 says *have their hands and feet cut off*
Besides,*islamic calander/hijr calander* is wrong.Muslims dont know that *one year* makes 365 days,therefore,each year *muslim holiday* such as *holiday of Sacrifice/Festival of Beheading* comes 10 days earlier.For example,this year December 20-23,but next year *Festival of Beheading* will be celebrated Dec 10-13.

Posted by: halozcel | October 24, 2007 2:46 AM
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"Does islam know what *astronomy* is ?"

Dear Halozcel,

Read your history. During the Dark Ages, when your ancestors and mine were busily cutting each others' heads off, Islamic scholars were keeping alive the observational astronomy first practiced by the Greeks and Persians. In fact, many of the names of the stars used to this day are Arabic. Remember that you're talking about a religion that times it's main holiday by the rising of the new moon.

Posted by: Athena | October 23, 2007 1:35 PM
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JESUS(A.S.) IN ISLAM:

Jesus (Isa) A.S. in Islam, and his Second Coming
by Mufti A.H. Elias
I. Jesus (A.S.) In Islam
Muslims do believe that Isa (A.S.) was sent down as a Prophet of Allah (God), but he (Jesus) is not God or Lord, nor the son of God. Muslims do not believe that Isa (A.S.), also known as Jesus by Christians and others, is dead or was ever crucified. We believe that he was raised to heaven and is there, and will descend at the appointed time, end all wars, and bring peace to the world. Like Jesus (A.S.), Muhammad (Peace be upon him) is also a Prophet and Messenger. Muhammed (P.B.U.H.) is the last Prophet, though, and there is none after him. Hence, Islam is the last religion, complete, with the Holy Qur'an as the unchanged and perfect word of God for over 1400 years, AS GOD PROMISED TO PRESERVE IT TILL THE LAST DAY FOR ALL OF HUMANKIND, UNLIKE SACRED TEXTS OF OTHER RELIGIONS WHICH HAVE MULITPLE VERSIONS AND ARE "REVISED" PERIODICALLY BY MAN. God, or Allah in Arabic, is Divine and Supreme Being and Creator.
What the Holy Qur'an says about Jesus:
They slew him not, nor did they crucify him but it was made dubious to them.
(Holy Qur'an, Surah Nisaa, Verse 157)
Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) himself told of the coming of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him). In the Bible, Jesus (A.S.) says,
IF YOU LOVE ME, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS. AND I WILL PRAY TO THE FATHER AND HE SHALL GIVE YOU ANOTHER COMFORTER THAT HE MAY ABIDE WITH YOU FOREVER.
(Bible, John 14-15/16)

BUT WHEN THE COMFORTER IS COME, WHOM I WILL SEND UNTO YOU FROM THE FATHER, EVEN THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH, WHICH PROCEEDETH FROM THE FATHER, HE SHALL TESTIFY OF ME, AND HE ALSO SHALL BEAR WITNESS, BECAUSE YE HAVE BEEN WITH ME FROM THE BEGINNING.
(Bible, John 15-26/27)

I have yet many things to say unto you, but you cannot bear them now. How be it when he, the spirit of Truth will come, he will guide you into all truth, FOR HE SHALL SPEAK NOT OF HIMSELF, BUT WHATSOEVER HE SHALL HEAR, that he shall speak, AND HE WILL SHOW YOU THINGS TO COME. He shall glorify me, for he shall receive of mine, and he shall show it unto you.
(Bible, John 16-12/14)
Ulema (learned scholars in Islam) have said that the person who is described by Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) to come after him - in the above verse - does not comply with any other person but Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him).
In this case, the "comforter" he mentions is none other than Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) and his laws and way of life (Shariah) and Book (Holy Qur'an) are those that Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) asks his followers to abide by.
THE "PERSON" WHOM JESUS (A.S.) PROPHECISED WILL COME AFTER HIM, IS CALLED PARGALEETA IN THE BIBLE . THIS WORD WAS DELETED BY INTERPRETERS AND TRANSLATORS AND CHANGED AT TIMES TO "SPIRIT OF TRUTH" AND AT OTHER TIMES, TO "COMFORTER" AND SOMETIMES "HOLY SPIRIT." THE ORIGINAL GREEK AND ITS MEANING IS "ONE WHOM PEOPLE PRAISE EXCEEDINGLY." THE SENSE OF THE WORD, THEN, IS APPLICABLE TO THE WORD MUHAMMAD IN ARABIC, SINCE MUHAMMAD MEANS "THE PRAISED ONE."
Jesus (A.S.) also says in the Bible,
... AND A LITTLE WHILE AND YOU SHALL NOT SEE ME; AND AGAIN A LITTLE WHILE, YOU SHALL SEE ME BECAUSE I GO TO THE FATHER.
(Bible, John 16:16)
... and the Holy Qur'an says,
And surely they slew him not. But Allah (God) raised him unto Himself.
(Holy Qur'an, Surah Nisaa, Verse 157-158)
As such, Muslims believe that Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) was raised to heaven. According to Hadith, he is on the second heaven. Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam=Peace be upon him) mentioned, "During the Meraj (Ascension), I met Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) on the second heaven. I found him of medium stature, reddish white. His body was so clean and clear, that it appeared as though he had just performed ghusal (ablution, cleansing of the entire body) and come." In another Hadith, Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) mentioned to the Jews that, " Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) is not dead, he will most surely return to you before Qiyamat (the Day of Judgement)."
May Allah Guide all people to the Truth. Aameen.

Posted by: Moody | October 23, 2007 6:14 AM
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HOLY BIBLE:

To all fella’s no offense and with all due respect, in Bible word trinity is not even mentioned. Even name BIBLE is not mentioned inside book. In Roman Latin language Bible means book. The closest explanation saying that Holly Ghost, Spirit and Father is one is taken out/removed from the Bible in its latest versions/new additions explained by more than 50 High Priests of Church that it was not mentioned in the most ancient scripts and was a concoction, addition, fabrication in the translations.
More than 50% of the Bible is written by Paul who hardly met once the to Jesus (A.S.) in his life time. Then written by Luke, Mathew and John. And very small part of it is said by Jesus (A.S.) him self. (You can refer to red Bible).
Where Qur’an is the word that Mohammed (P.B.U.H.) only heard and not every thing he said. (Refer to my previous mail Jesus in Islam)
-What Mohammed (PBUH) said other than what he HEARS is called HADITH and is not part of Quran (Muslim Bible). And we also found concoctions in hadith but thousands are preserved and original.
-And what disciples of Mohammad(PBUH) said is even not considered as religious scripture or part of it unlike Christian Bible. It is kept totally separate for other references. I’m not saying Muslims don’t believe in Juses(A.S), they do, and also believe in Original Bible, if there are any proofs of original scriptures of Bible which were in Nazarian language and not in Greek or Latin.

I'm not claiming any thing, I'm just QUOTING references, if you know the difference between two?

About Bible / TRINITY you can see your self,
Is it a word of
Paul more than 50%, John, Mathew, Luke
OR JESUS (Alah-i-Aslam) ????
Is word Trinity or name Bible mentioned any where inside the book it self.

As there are countless FALSE Hadith also in circulation, AS PROPOGANDA ACTIVIITES against Islam.by Present day Media and
::WHO CONTROLS IT :: (J C)::
AND WHO PROVIDE COMMERCIALS/ FUNDS to it
Muslims knows which are the only authentic sources of Hadith and what is the procedure of avaluation.
Allah (God) in Quran Chapter 15 verse 9 Says, that He Himself will guard the Quran.

AS PREVIOUS MESSAGES GIVEN TO HUMANS WERE EITHER MUNIPULATED OR HIDED. AS ONE IS UNABLE TO SEPARATE RIGHT FROM WRONG.

Allah didn't asure guarding Hadith.
1400 years is the PROOF of Allah's promise with all the SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE and OTHER ASPECTS of Human life.


Posted by: Moody | October 23, 2007 6:11 AM
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HOLY BIBLE:

To all fella’s no offense and with all due respect, in Bible word trinity is not even mentioned. Even name BIBLE is not mentioned inside book. In Roman Latin language Bible means book. The closest explanation saying that Holly Ghost, Spirit and Father is one is taken out/removed from the Bible in its latest versions/new additions explained by more than 50 High Priests of Church that it was not mentioned in the most ancient scripts and was a concoction, addition, fabrication in the translations.
More than 50% of the Bible is written by Paul who hardly met once the to Jesus (A.S.) in his life time. Then written by Luke, Mathew and John. And very small part of it is said by Jesus (A.S.) him self. (You can refer to red Bible).
Where Qur’an is the word that Mohammed (P.B.U.H.) only heard and not every thing he said. (Refer to my previous mail Jesus in Islam)
-What Mohammed (PBUH) said other than what he HEARS is called HADITH and is not part of Quran (Muslim Bible). And we also found concoctions in hadith but thousands are preserved and original.
-And what disciples of Mohammad(PBUH) said is even not considered as religious scripture or part of it unlike Christian Bible. It is kept totally separate for other references. I’m not saying Muslims don’t believe in Juses(A.S), they do, and also believe in Original Bible, if there are any proofs of original scriptures of Bible which were in Nazarian language and not in Greek or Latin.

I'm not claiming any thing, I'm just QUOTING references, if you know the difference between two?

About Bible / TRINITY you can see your self,
Is it a word of
Paul more than 50%, John, Mathew, Luke
OR JESUS (Alah-i-Aslam) ????
Is word Trinity or name Bible mentioned any where inside the book it self.
In Greek Bible means book
Closet meaning of trinity that “Jesus, Holy Ghost and Spirit is one” is taken out from the latest versions of Bible proclaimed by more than 50 high priests of the Church that it was a concoction, addition, fabrication IN THE TRANSLATIONS and not mentioned any where in the ancient scriptures.
As there are countless FALSE Hadith also in circulation, AS PROPOGANDA ACTIVIITES against Islam.by Present day Media and
::WHO CONTROLS IT :: (J C)::
AND WHO PROVIDE COMMERCIALS/ FUNDS to it
Muslims knows which are the only authentic sources of Hadith and what is the procedure of avaluation.
Allah (God) in Quran Chapter 15 verse 9 Says, that He Himself will guard the Quran.
AS PREVIOUS MESSAGES GIVEN TO HUMANS WERE EITHER MUNIPULATED OR HIDED. AS ONE IS UNABLE TO SEPARATE RIGHT FROM WRONG.
Allah didn't asure guarding Hadith.
1400 years is the PROOF of Allah's promise with all the SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE and OTHER ASPECTS of Human life.


Posted by: Moody | October 23, 2007 6:09 AM
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GOD:

Opinions are made upon understanding and certain knowledge, which differ from person to person. For some God is a myth, for some they believe or want to believe according to their religion and for some He is as real as His creation. Below are few examples in the favor of their belief:

For Muslims Big Bang Theory is not something new, it is more than 1400 years old, revealed in their Holy Book along with more than 1000 other scientific facts which are happened to be established recently in couple of centuries. And the answers of so many confusing questions which keep us going astray throughout our lives. AND AS A FACT MUSLIMS KNOW THEY WERE REVEALED BEFORE DISCOVERED AND FURTHER ON TOP OF IT THAT NOT A SINGLE VERSE OF THEIR HOLY BOOK IS IN CONFLICT WITH ANY LOGICAL/SCIENTIFIC APPROACH (INFECT EVERY TIME SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERIES PROVIDING PROOF IN FAVOR OF THE LAST REVELATIONS), MAKE THEM MORE FOCUSED / PRACTICING /FUNDAMENTALIST OR WHAT EVER OTHERS THINK ABOUT THEM and made it very easy for them to reach to the conclusion...SIMPLY APPLY THE SCIENTIFIC RULE OF PROBABILITY....What if 80% of Qur’an is in conformation with 100% of Science and 20% of it is beyond humans comprehension then logic says it would be also correct, if not now then in future...IF YOU UNDERSTAND PORBABILITY RULE THEN ITS NOT A JOKE !!), very few examples out of All from the Holy book as proof,

I have created all the creatures from earth and all the living beings are made out of water (Chapter 21) (living being which are meant to die/perish)
Don’t you see the earth and sky was together and I separated them, still you don’t believe
(Chapter 21)
I have created sky upon earth for your protection and there is sign for you
(Chapter 21)
All the stars, moon and sun are floating in their skies
(Chapter 21)
All the skies are holding with out pillars and there is sign for you
(Chapter 21)
-Mentioning that the world is expanding. (it is also said in Qur’an I guess in Sura Nisa)
-In Sura Qayyama mentioning of dead humans raised on day of judgment and even their FINGER TIPS/PRINTS will be made. Today’s modern science accepts each and every human have different finger tip/prints from Adam till last child born today.
-Mentioning of embryo perfect shapes and stages. Back there 1400 years ago their was no scanning machines or any subject “Embryology” was studied.
-Mentioning of mountains nailed to hold the earth. No “Geology” was studied then telling mountains are made on the tectonic plates of the earth, raise weaker plate to become mountain when pushed against the stronger opposite plate. And mountains works exactly like nails upon the two earth plate holding them.
- Mentioning of Air causes the rain. Just recently scientifically proven correct. Other wise your brilliant scientist believe according to their ultimate scientific knowledge rain was caused due to sun.

For Muslims God means (The One, Ultimate Creator, Who is Uncreated and above time always present before and after time and beyond our limited level of comprehension)

Below is the TOUCH STONE of God that He revealed in Holy Book, when the question about God was raised:
1- He is One and Only
2-the Eternal, Absolute;
, the eternally Besought of all! on Whom all depend.
3-He begets not, nor is He begotten.
4-And there is none comparable unto Him.
And none is like Him.

PLEASE COMMENTS ARE NOT NECESSARY WITHOUT VARIFICATION / RESEARCH OF THE ORIGINAL TEXT AND AUTHENTIC TRANSLATIONS BY ONLY MUSLIM SCHOLARS TO AVOID ANY TWISTING AND DECEPTIVE TECHNIQUES IN GENERAL PRACTICE!!

Posted by: Moody | October 23, 2007 5:46 AM
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You need to get your facts straight.
The line in that sura that you mentioned does NOT say that ants are made out of glass.
?

Posted by: AZKA | October 22, 2007 9:43 PM
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Dear David Grant,

Could you please to write any *world-wide islamic university* ?
Could you please to show any *world-wide islamic hospital* or *islamic Observatory* ?
Where is the *islam Yale* ?
Where is the *islam M.I.T* ?

Dear David,
Does islam know what *embryology* is ?
Does islam know what *astronomy* is ?

Posted by: halozcel | October 22, 2007 3:59 PM
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Very Interesting comments David, hope your trip is going well.

Posted by: Tim O'Keefe | October 20, 2007 12:15 PM
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