*********** RAMADAN *********

Someone wanted to know about Ramadan, here is the column on it.

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/guestvoices/2009/08/ramadans_spiritual_discipline.html

Mike Ghouse
www.WorldMuslimCongress.com

The US Foreign policy ought to include this element;

Eboo quoted "These children are now studying in Greg's school. If they weren't here, they would be in an extremist school." together with "The safety of a child in Kansas City may depend on who wins the battle of the schools in Kandahar."

Our security and our future depends on what surrounds us, as an individual or a nation if we keep threatening others, we have guaranteed ourselves insecurity.

If we invest in building peace around the world through education, we can do it in 1/10th of the cost of a war, and unlike the war goodness is sustainable and brings us security.

Good thoughts Eboo, I hope the foreign policy hawks take a cue from that.

Mike Ghouse

The US Foriegn policy ought to include this element;

Eboo quoted "These children are now studying in Greg's school. If they weren't here, they would be in an extremist school."

together with "The safety of a child in Kansas City may depend on who wins the battle of the schools in Kandahar."

Our security and our future depends on what surrounds us, as an individual or a nation if we keep threatening others, we have guaranted ourselves insecurity.

If we invest in building peace around the world through education, we can do it in 1/10th of the cost of a war, and unlike the war goodness is sustainable and brings us security.

Good thoughts Eboo, I hope the foreign policy hawks take a cue from that.

Mike Ghouse

It's truly vawnza what our society sometimes protrays or reflects upon. Doing it more importanly in the wrong way. I'm glad you have open discussion on a topic like this, it's interesting and good to read a more non-partisan opinion.

It's truly vawnza what our society sometimes protrays or reflects upon. Doing it more importanly in the wrong way. I'm glad you have open discussion on a topic like this, it's interesting and good to read a more non-partisan opinion.

CCNL1 and others seem to be bent on foully slandering religions that they neither understand nor have studied in any way that matters. The constant misquoting and misunderstanding of the Qur'an here is appalling. As I have said many times, the Qur'an's verses about fighting the disbelievers applied specifically to those who took up arms to physically attack the early Muslims. Mostly, these were the Meccan idolaters. One could also single out Christianity and the Bible for similar criticism based on selected verses taken out of the historical context of their revelation. But being selective in attacking Islam is no different than what the Taliban and others do when they select verses to support their bloodthirstiness against those who don't agree with them. There were times in Christian religious history when Biblical "justifications" were used to kill and expel Jews and Muslims from Spain and to justify racism and slavery. This no more makes the Bible false than do misused verses of the Qur'an make the Qur'an false.

The most strident voices attacking Muslims here are no less frightening than the Taliban because they brook no possibility of attempting to understand those they have defined as "other."

My own Baha'i co-religionists have been ill-treated in a number of countries - by Muslims and Christians. Sweeping distortions and mischaracterizations have been used against the Baha'is, just as the strident voices in this forum, so filled with self-righteousness, use against Muslim or other believers. It is easy to point at the the hatred expressed by others, but when will YOUR incivility and hatred stop?

"The Taliban's strategy is simple: build schools in villages too poor (and too poorly served by their governments) to afford their own."

Last I heard, the Taliban was busy bombing and burning girls schools, so I can't really believe that they're much interested in real education.

http://www.ptinews.com/news/236864_Taliban-attack-two-girl-schools-in-Pak-s-Dir-area

http://www.onlinenews.com.pk/details.php?id=150394

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/13/world/main5239938.shtml

The difference between the Taliban stategy of "school building" and the U.S. stategy is that the Taliban schools sole course of study teaches rote memorization of the Koran in Arabic to males only, while the U.S. sponsored schools teach a little reading, writing and arithmetic to both boys and girls.

Alex511 noted:

"I suggest you talk to a Muslim and find out the reason behind Ramadan. It is NOT "(party/eat/drink all night and sleep (fast) all day".

I talked to many Muslims:

The ideal:

"A blessed month has arrived. Observing it in fasting is mandated on you. During this month, the gates of Paradise will be opened and the gates of Hellfire will be closed. (Abu Hureirah)"

The reality:

Party/eat/drink all night and sleep (fast) all day.

tribalism, poverty, assumed oppression are excuses. The Taoists, Buddhists, Hindus, Animists, Hopi, ... are poor people dealing with tribalism, poverty, and oppression in a largely peaceful manner. You need an ideology of hate to kill every century since your ideology was formed. This crime is unique to christians, islamists, and communists. All the wealth and power in the world is not enough for these groups, they need to obliterate any dissent in order to prove their ideology, for the good man that is not of their groups (Gandhi, Buddha, Aun Sang Suu Kyi...) are proof that their books are wrong, that the devil is in their midsts, not that of the other. If they can not celebrate diversity, they must destroy it.

hariaum

The education of muslims is done by muslims. If is it poor education, then it is what the richer muslims want for their borhters. If saudis,and other rich islamic states support the madrasas, it the fault of the rich muslims that muslims hate.

But the rich muslims have bought into an ideology of hate. Until the rich muslims do not deny the sanctity of the koran and verses like:
God's curse be upon the infidels!" (2:89).
God is the enemy of the unbelievers" (2:98).But the infidels who die unbelievers shall incur the curse of God, the angels, and all men. Under it they shall remain for ever; their punishment shall not be lightened, nor shall they be reprieved" (2:162)The unbelievers are like beasts which, call out to them as one may, can hear nothing but a shout and a cry. Deaf, dumb, and blind, they understand nothing" (2:172)Slay them wherever you find them. Drive them out of the places from which they drove you. Idolatry is worse than carnage. . . . [I]f they attack you put them to the sword. Thus shall the unbelievers be rewarded: but if they desist, God is forgiving and merciful. Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme. But if they desist, fight none except the evil-doers"(2:190–93)Let the believers not make friends with infidels in preference to the faithful—he that does this has nothing to hope for from God—except in self-defense" (3:28).And Fight those who have not faith in God, nor in the Hereafter, and (who) forbid not what God and His Prophet have forbidden and (who ) are not committed to the religion of truth, of those who have been brought the Book, until they pay tribute by hand, and they are the low.» (9:29) Qur’an:8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”

If you reinterpret these as only historical comments, then the koran is not a universal religion.

Is it metaphorical, but when Mo walked into and threatened Mecca with genocide, I don't think that was metaphorical, when Hindus were oppressed, it was not metaphorical, when 3 million Hindus were killed by muslims in Bangledesh, it was not metaphorical.

If Islam is so tolerant, let Hindus worship freely in Mecca.

Islam needs to cure itself of islam. Then it has a claim of being a true religion.

hariaum

As soon as the words "Muslim" or "Islam" is written by any author, the Islamophobes swarm like wasps (yellow bees) and sting.

fr ccnl1:

>...Hmmm, we thought Eboo was "Ramadaning" (party/eat/drink all night and sleep (fast) all day)??...<

I suggest you talk to a Muslim and find out the reason behind Ramadan. It is NOT "(party/eat/drink all night and sleep (fast) all day".

lookatallsides

Do you consider the Jews the "Chosen People"?

Take care, be ready.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

"US efforts in Afghanistan and Pakistan are doomed to fail because they entail attempt to change the society that is Islamic fundamentalist in character and does NOT want to live in 21st century but would rather live by 7th century sermons propagated by Koran."

Oh, so close with the first half, but then got off track with the Islam diatribe at the end.

A couple of things about Afghanistan and Pakistan, for you guys:

1. They are not Wahabbist, they are Deobandists, which stems from the Hanafi school of Islam, as opposed to the Hanbali school of Islam; most in Afghanistan and Pakistan despise the Wahabbists because they look down on Arabs as inferior people, and refuse to admit that the Wahabbists are the money behind their organization.

2. Tribalism, not religion, is what divides Afghanistan, makes governance near impossible, and is what is responsible for most of what we in the west see as the vile practices in Afghanistan. Afghanistan is sharply divided between the Pashtun, Tajik, Uzbek, Hazara, and vcarious other tribes; The Pashtu represent the largest share with about 40%, but because the borders of Afghanistan were intentionally drawn to prevent a Pashtu majority from gaining strenght, "Pashtunistan" is divided between Afghanistan and Pakistan, making the border region nearly ungovernable and extremely porous. Getting back to point 1, Hanafis believe islam should be mixed with tribal customs, thus the Afghan practices of Pashtunwali, the code of the Pashtun, drive most of what we know today as the Taliban theology. It is Pashtunwali that leaves women in second-class citizenship status, that leads to feuds between closely-related tribes (as opposed to Iraq where closer relations lead to alliances, it leads to division in Afghanistan), and that leads to many of the social mores not seen in much of the Arab world.

Religion here is a red herring, the tribes are the issue. The Taliban only came to power because they represented a Pashtun uprising against warring Uzbeks and Tajiks in the Afghan civil war, and gain strength not through their interpretation of religion, but their Pasthun nationalist tendancies (whcih is also what separates them - an Afghan Emirate movement based in Deobandism, fro al Qa'ida- a pan-Islamic Caliphate movement based in Wahabbist/Qutbist principles). Until we truly understand and work that dynamic, we will continue to flounder. We are now making inroads in the right direction, but much more needs to be done.

Afghanistan is a disaster. It will remain a disaster. I do not care.

Afghanistan needs large-scale infrastructure deveopment projects with roads, schools, and safe drinking water. In selective locations, there needs to be electricity brought-in to support light manufacturing for local needs (chicken wire, bicycles, two-stroke engines to run generators and irrigation pumps, etc.) In order to do this, it also needs security. Ironically, these are all things that the Russians would have done if they had successfully pacified the country, but instead we allied ourselves with Wahabi reactionaries to oppose them. Now we're trying to accomplish the same goals that the Soviets tried to do in the 1980s, but with less bloodshed and brutality. And the same Wahabi reactionaries are there to oppose us this time as well. If it weren't for 9/11, there would be no reason on earth for us to be there, but we have no choice as long as Al Qaeda is still operating.

Well, building schools and roads and hospitals is always mentioned, but I think we'll just stay there and build a couple. Now if you want to build a natural gas pipe line.

why would ANY us citizen care ab out these bs countries? support US not the enemy

Stop pretending BOO! How much money are you making putting on this show? If you even want to pretend being a 'moderate 'Mozlem'', then you need to stop distracting and start focusing on real issues (stop playing the distracting games the mass media plays)! You need to start discussing the real issues such as:-
1. "Moreover, these enemies of mine that did not want me to become king over them BRING here and slaughter them before me". LUKE 19:27 - New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures (WOW! Talk about extremism, intolerance and terrorism!)
2. "And both the daughters of Lot became pregnant from their father". Genesis 19:36 - New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures (WOW! Talk about sexual fantasies, lust, and incest!)
3. Ask the president to explain how the passports of the unfortunate 9/11 highjackers were found at the site of the crash when even the indestructible black box was destroyed! Passports made out of paper, when it is claimed that the steel structure of the buildings melted due to the heat!!! (WOW! Talk about lies!)
4. Ask the president why 9/11 is NOT one of the reasons (per the pentagon) that they are after bin laden??? (WOW! Talk about anti Islamic propaganda on the mass media!)
5. Advise the president, if he really wants to know about Islam, to stay clear of mozlem morons like you and engage true Muslims. (WOW! Talk about picking the most ‘money hungry’ misguided to talk about Islam!)

The truth must and should prevail. NOT because any human is going to make it prevail, but because The One Who created the universe will make it prevail!!!

Allah means 'al' = the, and 'ilah' = god. So, Allah does not mean my god or your god or our god, but it means The One True God worthy of worship, who created the entire universe!

What the masses are dong to Islam today is the same that they attempted to do to Jesus (peace be upon him)! And today they say "I love him, for he died for my sins"! Well, you attempted to murder him, you terrorists, even though he gave you clear proofs of his message, just as Islam gives you clear proofs and yet you try to finish off Islam and kill all Muslims! You may succeed in killing Muslims for no reason except that they worship The One Creator of the universe, but you will never put out the light of The One Almighty Creator! Yes, Jesus (peace be upon him) will come back in order to die a human death, as all humans must die without exception! Jesus (peace be upon him) will himself testify to the truth of Islam (the surrender to and the worship of only The One Who created the universe)!

US efforts in Afghanistan and Pakistan are doomed to fail because they entail attempt to change the society that is Islamic fundamentalist in character and does NOT want to live in 21st century but would rather live by 7th century sermons propagated by Koran.

Even the Pew poll released on August 13, 2009 is an eye-opener even if it tried to put a positive spin on its findings -
1. 64% of Pakistanis consider US an enemy and only 9% Pakistanis consider US a friend. By contrast 57% Pakistanis consider Taliban an enemy and 41% Pakistanis consider Al Qaeda an enemy, the very groups that are supposed to be engaged in killing Pakistanis.
2. Positive attitude by Pakistanis about US caring about Pakistan has gone up from 21% under Bush to 22% under Obama after Obama’s Cairo speech and 23 billion dollar US aid package to Pakistan.
3. 78% of Pakistanis believe that any one who converts to another religion from Islam shall be killed.

So we aren’t talking about a small percentage of extremists who hijacked Islam (Mr Bush’s phrase) or don’t represent the true Islam (Mr Obama’s phrase) but rather about the interpretation of Islam that is mainstream among these people. As interesting as these figures are, the interpretation is even more significant, not only for US policy towards South Asia but for understanding where Western perceptions of the world have gone wrong.

Here it is in a single sentence: The problems are not just ones of misunderstanding and of Western aggression or mistakes. Thinking that Mr. Bush was a meanie and Mr. Obama is charming and empathetic only gets you so far, and not far at all. The US could stand on its head, dole out billions of dollars, talk until it’s green in the face about how much it respects Islam, and it won’t make much of a difference.

Amid all the babble about countries and peoples possessing their own perceptions of the world in a ‘multicultural’ globe glorified by differences, it is forgotten that there is a rather serious price to pay for all that, which includes conflict, war, hatred, persecution, and powerful forces maintaining social stagnation and economic failure.

Ultimately, it is not America or globalization, not India or Israel, or Mr. Bush who is responsible for the dislike emanating from places like Pakistan; the material enmity coming from places like Pakistan; and, the instability, terror attacks, or suffering arising within places like Pakistan. No, it is what people think, do, and how the society works, and what the goals are in places like Pakistan.

"BBC News

Critics accuse President Hamid Karzai of betraying Afghan women
An Afghan bill allowing a husband to starve his wife if she refuses to have sex has been published in the official gazette and become law"

Are all Afghans, including Karzai, graduates of madrassa?

As far as poverty is concerned, you were born in India- the most impoversished and chaotic place in the world- but it does not produce terrorists like these Muslim nations do (there are some, but those are Muslim too- educated ones).

Dear Eboo Patel,

How can we interpret that All London Bombers were medical doctors and well educated,but they prefered to be suicide bombers.

well boo boy patal the "reasonable" islamic is at it again.
helping islamics, even young ones, would be like helping the hitler youth still believe in hitler and world domination.
world domination is what islam is about - read the book of death - the koran, and the hadith - their other foul book of death.
they both specifically state that killing and kidnapping, rape and torture and ransom are ok and that hating and doing it to jews, christians, hindu's is preferable.
its not the radical islamics who call for death and destruction, they are your everyday islamics.
THEY HATE AND MURDER BECAUSE THE KORAN DEMANDS IT. so let them die young so they cant breed.

Not true Eboo. Many Islamic terrorists are well educated from non-madrassas schools.

In Pakistan, 78 percent urban Pakis support death penalty for changing religion. Indian Muslim terrorists involved in massacre of civilians were educated from non-madrassas and many were well employed.

In Pakistan hardly four percent attend the Madaharis(religious)schools.While the other 96 percent divided between the commercially sponsered English medium schools and the Local government scools. The entire system is flawed.Spending millions of dollars on the
buildings will be futile, unless the entire education system is revamped.Our Politicians
and Industrialists certainly have no interset in educating the masses? For then
they will lose control in exploiting on the
whims of religion and ethnicity.

Salaam,

Lots of twisted people posting I see, with little knowledge of what is actually going on. Building schools is vitally important, of course, for the future of Afghanistan and stability regionally and globally. In part, some of these posters are right, but for the wrong reasons. There is little hope to turn former hard-core believers in the Taliban to our side, and much of the older generation is set in their ways, many just want peace and to be left alone. COIN is a generational struggle, and winning that next gewneration is paramount. It isn't jsut as easy as building schools, though.

Schools need teachers, and teachers need an education themselves, and security. building the first few pilot schools in secure areas like Panjsher are easy enough. Trying to take that same model to Helmand, Kapisa, Konar, and Paktika is another story all together where the demographics are mixed, the Taliban/HiG influence is stronger, and the region is less secure. Just as the VC targeted teachers in Vietnam to undermine society, the Taliban recognizes how key schools are to long term staability, and how bad that is for them, and target teachers as a result. A bunch of empty buildings aren't the key to future security.

Second, the Taliban isn't the only group threatened by schools. In a nation with a 30% literacy rate, the phrase knowledge is power takes on real meaning. This isn't about Islam, but the tribal order. Tribal leaders maintain power through control of knowledge, and at times by keeping people ignorant. Lack of an education means lack of basic skills, lack of knowledge in the law, etc., all of which makes you wholly dependent on the tribal leadership, which fosters a maintenance of the status quo. Our paradox, the people we are trying to empower can also gain from preventing our strategies from succeeding.

Col McMaster said it best when talking about Iraq: "It is so d-mn complex. If you ever think you have the solution to this, you're wrong, and you're dangerous. You have to keep listening and thinking and being critical and self-critical."

Enlightened Muslims such as Eboo should renounce US citizenship and migrate to Afghanistan and build the right type of schools.

The US should bomb Afghanistan and Iraq if needed one last time and withdraw all troops.

The money saved should, some trillions of dollars should be put into health care.

Once again, you offer nothing but naive analysis, and even more naive solutions.

You cannot teach anything, much less 'understanding' and 'respecting' a culture different from their own -- unless there is a desire and willingness to understand and respect that.

I don't see any indication yet that Talibanized people are willing to do that. Madassahs aren't going to teach that !

Eboo,

It is not the poor muslims, rich muslims, or Taliban that need education. ALL Muslims need some educatin'. Most of all........YOU, Ebrahim Patel.

Yes. YOU are the problem, not those dirt poor pashtoons. YOU manifest the obsessive-compulsive disorder that is at the heart of Islam. YOU have your identity so entangled with Islam that YOU can't stop trying to defend Islam, Mohammed, and the Koran. YOU are starting to sound silly with the perpetual defense of Islam - Islam is a religion of peace. Where is the mutual respect and interfaith blah, blah, blah.

Sadly, Eboo, YOU are a victim of Islam because it was designed to take over your brain, identity, and emotions.

The exact same thing that motivates YOU to write essentially the same article as if you have OCD (obsessive-compulsive disorder); it is the same thing motivates suicide bombers, self-flagellating Shiites, and Osama.

So far you have channelled your Islamic OCD to superficially constructive actions. But, I fear that as you get frustrated, true Islam will win and you will turn to the dark side rapidly and with extreme prejudice. So, put the Book down and walk away before somebody (YOU) gets hurt. Islam means submission, so submit - to rationality, logic, science, and self-awareness.

Good luck.

Alice Walker in an appearance on C-SPAN talked about Israel's assault on Gaza and described the bodies of five little girls in a row, appearing to be asleep, but dead, their grandmother wailing over their bodies; while in another frame, Nancy Pelosi saying that Hamas, elected by the Palestinians people, are thugs. She wondered if Rep. Pelosi had seen the bodies of the children? Five sisters killed by our tax dollars, their mother critically injured. “What are we to do with this assault on a people that has been forced into a space too small for them, refugees consisting mostly of women and children, deprived of water, food, medicine and mobility, of fathers, brothers and husbands, five sisters on whom a 1,000 pound bomb was dropped. How are we to live with this? This tragedy to the human race is unbearable. How are we to raise children in this atmosphere of savagery? Every child on the planet realizes that he or she is in danger from grownups gone mad. When I think of children left alone with images of bloody corps of children just like themselves, it is hard to sleep.”

Ms. Walker continues a portrayal of fear of the terrorization of the planet by the United States and Israel. “Yes, African, India and smaller armies are imitating the big guys as best they can. I happen, however, to be attached to the United States and Israel through the strongest possible bonds, BIRTH and TAXES! These overly armed countries are attacking people who cannot possible put up an equal fight which makes attacking them sadistic! Where is the glory, the freedom, the bravery, the wisdom, even the profit in this. All the oil in the world will not wipe away the bomb scars now seared on the hearts of billions of earthlings, cowering in their beds.”

Eboo says;

“The Taliban and other extremist groups use these schools to inject a poisonous message into unsuspecting children -- being Muslim means hating others, and the most righteous Muslims kill their enemies.”

Is this not the core message of the Quran? Or is it merely invented by Taliban? Peruse some of the relevant scriptural jewels:

Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers 2:191-2
Fight them until "religion is for Allah." 2:193
War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216
Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. 2:191-2
Fight them until "religion is for Allah." 2:193
War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/int/long.html

The inconvenient question Eboo has failed to ask is why Pakistan has failed to build many quality schools and create a robust syllabus!

Does it have anything to do with the widely held perception in Muslim communities that the Koran, Hadith and Sira have just about all "important" knowledge?

The answer to the REAL question of why Pakistan (and Afghanistan) took to the direction they did is given in this new book:

http://www.amazon.com/defeating-political-islam-new-cold/dp/1591027047

And the odd and strange probability wave named Homeland1 again infects this thread!!

Hmmm, is there a cure for this kind on inane behavior? A good dose of honesty would do the trick but we are dealing with probability waves here and not someone's conscience.

How many generations must be educated in order to raise the Afghan mindset from the 7th century to modernity? How much blood and treasure does Eboo expect us to expend in this effort?

Afghanistan is already lost. They just haven't figured it out in Washington yet.

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Poor Eboo lives in US,bears the burnt of hearts and still follows "his master's voice".
Come on eboo! leave this hypocrisy now.

Education! do you like India to open schools in US? Can they dare???

The U.S. government should launch a nuclear strike against Afghanistan and obliterate it. That would be the end of this cesspool.

The "people" who inhabit Afghantistan cannot make a thing out of it. It is a failed society, I am stretching the word society. Those "people" are responsible for the fact that it is complete failure. They will not change. It is pointless to put any money into such a failed state.

I certainly do not want my tax dollars supporting anymore assistance to Afghanistan. It is money thrown down the drain. If Obama had courage, he would strike it. Obama does not have the courage of Harry S. Truman.

Question Sir EBOO PATEL & CO.;

Why is it that MUSLOMS/Molems/Muslums always blurt-out "A-L-L-A-H" (an addicting Name for them not Us of Differing Dialects) Instead of the other 98 Names of ALLAH/GOD... and by 1000+/- Names??????????????????

"ALLAH Akbar" ('MY' god is [Greater] your god) INSTEAD OF TRUEly (opposite MYTH) singing O.U.R. G-D!?????

Note: "OUR" G-D is neither a HE nor a SHE, but an Holy-Cosmic "IT", being/WORKING "iTSELF" in and out of US-ALL (Annimates & Inanimates) via it's own STUFFS & THINGS; Justly for a time (clock) in Holy TIME (Balancing Absolute HOT & COLD), as our ETERNITY AVOIDING LONLINESS "Miracle"; again & again & Again..... Forever! [ZEro Sin/Curse; is the Holy Cosmic innate Process to cometh via BIRTHng!

Hark! LiFE, as we Know "IT" (G-D) is a Miracle. This Is LOVE! Life = LOVE; not SEX; nor any of their (not OUR) "Sexual-Gilts" SUPER-STUPID-STITIOUSNESS" Man-Made (zero god Incarnate) STORY's therefrom or rtherein!!

O' LORD (EKLAHTi/LORD of PHOTONS et al) O' HOLY-NO-MAN/WOMB, Forgive Them HUMANs (not Us genuine HUe{MATES) For They Do'nt Know What they Do'eth/Done'th too!???

Hmmm, we thought Eboo was "Ramadaning" (party/eat/drink all night and sleep (fast) all day)??

With respect to the topic:

The solution to the education of Muslim children: Simply promulgate the following-(for those eyes that have not seen)

Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

This agenda continues as shown by the massacre in Mumbai, the assassinations of Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, and the Filipino “koranics”.

And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

Current crises:

The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering, womanizing (11 wives), hallucinating founder.

Amazing, NO GRACE ().

It used to be said, "Watch Who Your Friends are" NOW It Should Be

"Watch Who Your Parents Are"!?