It looks like my personal prediction has come true with a vengeance.

McCain is going to go on the uber-attack- he may raise up Pastor Wright in an effort to terrify the white people- (he NEEDS those white blue collar vote desperately now.) And he will refer endlessly to the islamo-fascist terrorist threat- but other than fear-mongering a dim and dulled sheeple-
He may resurrect Obama's comment in San Fran about clinging to guns and religion in hard times-
but
I don't believe he would want to raise the spectre of religion and have it hanging over a corrosively negative bloodbath- and that is where he is headed.
OCT 4 3:20AM

Astoria, Astoria, Astoria,

I am sure you will survive if McPhalin wins the election. And it will be up to the Senate to decide your apparent concern about the world going up in smoke if another Supreme Court justice retires and a conservative, family-value oriented, judge is approved.

You seemed to have forgotten the original point you were (disagreeing with?)
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"However, in a McPalin admin- she is just a Supreme Court Justice's retirement away from changing that national law to suit her latent blooming religiosity-

And she can tell us all,"I said, Thanks, but no thanks to Congress on that bill to institute same sex benefits."
And what court will disagree with her?"
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SO- as in the case of Bush 41- who appointed 3- count them- 3 justices-
(although Souter has proven to be centrist- i.e. fair- in his judgements-which Bush 41 came to regret- as he nominated right leaning justices-)

Dubya first nominated a woman based upon her adherence to ultra right wing stances- but he failed to take into account that she would have to be conversant with constitutional law- which she wasn't, and failed miserably on the pre-test given to her, so her nomination was withdrawn-

Whereupon he nominated the pro-life conservative justice John Roberts, who currently sits on the bench.

A McCain-Palin (or Palin-McCain according to the palindrone) adminsitration would UNQUESTIONABLY nominate an ultra conservative pro-life justice who reflects their own philosophy-

which would tip that checks and balance over to the right-

which would affect law in the land and the atmosphere of an imbalanced pendulum swing justice long after McPalin had left office.

The rarity of outright rejection of nominees, as you have so conveniently proven here-
points to the certainty of such a tilt.

Astoria, Astoria, Astoria,

There have been few rejections/withdrawals of Supreme Court judges in our country's history because the nominees in most cases were top-notch jurists whether they were liberal or conservative thinkers on some issues i.e. the intent of the US Constitution was to establish checks and balances on the federal government. So far, it is working quite well.

And I have watched many Supreme Court nominee hearings on C-Span. The time spent by our Senators is not wasted and is "supremely"
important.

Are you saying Wikipedia's list of rejected/withdrawn Court nominees is in error??

I think you're right Lib- I always think of the house because the Senate is always referred to separately, and the general term for the house is always congress-

But you miss the point-
Miers was picked by Bush for her doglike devotion and ultra conservative views on abortion and torture- she was withdrawn because she was inept at aconstitutional law-

so George nominated John Roberts, another conservative.

Nothing can stop a president from nominating justice appointees to thesupreme court. And if a seat is vacant- it is their duty to do so.

I guess you have bever watched a Senate confirmation hearing- they are not taken lightly- can last for several day, tying senators up from performing other duties- and are very serious affairs.

To imagine that the Senate will continue to reject nominees is not realistic.
To imagine that a president will try once, and then give up is illogical.

So, if McCain gets in, most assuredly he will be appointing a conservative justice.

And that is the point.

So, out of your list- in the past 78 years-

Clement Haynsworth 1969 Nixon Rejected

G. Harrold Carswell 1970 Nixon Rejected

Robert H. Bork 1987 Reagan Rejected

There are only 3 rejections of presidential justice nominees- in 78 years-
Are you starting to get it now?

Stay off of wikipdia. It erodes ones ability to think.

Astoria, Astoria, Astoria,

Congress is the collective name for the US Senate and House. Next time I will be more specific.

Presidential nominees to the US Supreme Court whose nomination was withdrawn or was not approved by the Senate:

William Paterson 1793 Washington Withdrawn

John Rutledge 1795 Washington Rejected

Alexander Wolcott 1811 Madison Rejected

John J. Crittenden 1828 J.Q. Adams Postponed

Roger B. Taney 1835 Jackson Postponed

John C. Spencer 1844 Tyler Rejected

Reuben H. Walworth 1844 Tyler Withdrawn

Edward King 1844 Tyler Postponed

Edward King 1845 Tyler Withdrawn

John M. Read 1845 Tyler No Action

George W. Woodward 1845 Polk Rejected

Edward A. Bradford 1852 Fillmore No Action

George E. Badger 1853 Fillmore Postponed

William C. Micou 1853 Fillmore No Action

Jeremiah S. Black 1861 Buchanan Rejected

Henry Stanberry 1866 A. Johnson No Action

Ebenezer R. Hoar 1869 Grant Rejected

George Henry Williams 1873 Grant Withdrawn

Caleb Cushing 1874 Grant Withdrawn

Thomas Stanley Matthews 1881 Hayes No Action[1]

William B. Hornblower 1893 Cleveland Rejected

Wheeler Hazard Peckham 1894 Cleveland Rejected

John J. Parker 1930 Hoover Rejected

Abe Fortas 1968 L.B. Johnson Withdrawn[2]

Homer Thornberry 1968 L.B. Johnson No Action

Clement Haynsworth 1969 Nixon Rejected

G. Harrold Carswell 1970 Nixon Rejected

Robert H. Bork 1987 Reagan Rejected

Douglas H. Ginsburg 1987 Reagan Withdrawn

Harriet Miers 2005 George W. Bush Withdrawn

But good point, can you think of any Presidential Appointees that were NOT confirmed by the Senate?

It is the Senate that confirms justices Lib, not the house.

From Concerned the Christian now Liberated:

Last time we checked, Congress reviews and has the final say on all Supreme Court nominees.

The reason "Christian" Conservatives talk more about abortion and civil rights for gays is political. Rather than talking about the love and inclusion of Jesus, these neochristians dwell on political wedge issues to manipulate their fellow lemmings with fear and hatred.

Oops- SEEM TO ME- that link was to Doniger's post a few eeks ago that drew about almost 1,000 slathering foaming at the mouth moose-huntin' gun-totin' gosh darn REAL americans who support the Palindrone.

And it was pretty funny because, after a show by Roland Martin (I love his dissections of cultural aspects of politics) where one of his Palindrone supporting guests directed the audience to Donger's blog on WAPO Onfaith-

100 bloggers signed on in unison bleating the exact same partyline the guest had spouted-
every post a replica of the one before it-
talk about redundancy.

They had to stop accepting submissions on that blog.

Let's hope it was one stop shopping for them and they all moved on to harrass and infiltrate the next blog Fox news alerted them to infect.

VICTORIA-(IN ASTORIA)

Br. Patel,
Normally, I glide through your posts with an almost lazy nodding agreement, BUT- don't quit your day job Eboo. (I actually really mean that.)
Please don't stop writing here.

"I predict that faith is going to return to center-stage in this campaign sooner rather than later, and not only because Sarah Palin needs to put it up front in her speeches to please social conservatives."

I predict that faith will be a posioned subject the next few weeks- and rear it's head a week before the election. (On the stump that is.)

McCain is going to go on the uber-attack- he may raise up Pastor Wright in an effort to terrify the white people- (he NEEDS those white blue collar vote desperately now.) And he will refer endlessly to the islamo-fascist terrorist threat- but other than fear-mongering a dim and dulled sheeple-
He may resurrect Obama's comment in San Fran about clinging to guns and religion in hard times-
but
I don't believe he would want to raise the spectre of religion and have it hanging over a corrosively negative bloodbath- and that is where he is headed.

The faith voters are the core- and they are not going anywhere. They are the strength which he has no need to garner support.

To win, he needs that quickly vanishing thread of undecideds-
Sarah, the head cheerleader- cannot be trusted to speak on his (or her own) behalf- she is good at whipping the right into a nationalistic frenzy-


You are not kidding about hemorrhaging jobs- Septembers numbers came out this morning- 159,000 jobs lost in Sept.

And, it IS the economy, stupid. (Nothing personal Eboo- that's Clinton's old rally cry)


That lukewarm faith talk already has a wink and a nod from the far right- they're not expecting her to fall on her sword to please them- they know McPain has to distance itself from appearing like a rerun of the Bush agenda- and move more center to prove what 'mavericks' they are-

It will be all about appealing to the middle.

As for the tolerance expressed by the Palindrone-
It actually went down like tis- abd believe me it was not unnoticed by the right-

Gwen Ifill asked Senator Biden if he supported PROVIDING BENEFITS for same-sex couples, as they currently do for partners of state employees in Alaska.

Here is Joe Biden-
“It's what the Constitution calls for. And so we do support it. We do support making sure that committed couples in a same-sex marriage are guaranteed the same constitutional benefits as it relates to their property rights, their rights of visitation, their rights to insurance, their rights of ownership as heterosexual couples do.”

The Palindrone stuck to the DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE and NEVER engaged the topic of constitutional rights. She concluded with-

“Your question to him was whether he supported gay marriage and my answer is the same as his and it is that I do not,” she said.

No- it was never the question- and she never answered same-sex benefits at all-
She gave the right her unequivocal far right definition of marriage between a man and a woman-
threw in a "tolerance" for the undecideds to latch onto- but never, ever, addressed nor answered the question.

She doesn't need to- in Alaska- she voiced her outright opposition to same-sex benefits- and wanted to keep the status quo- but her lawyer informed her that she would be breaking the alaskan constitution and it wouldn't fly- so she was FORCED to vote for it.

However, in a McPalin admin- she is just a Supreme Court Justice's retirement away from changing that national law to suit her latent blooming religiosity-

And she can tell us all,"I said, Thanks, but no thanks to Congress on that bill to institute same sex benefits."
And what court will disagree with her?

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/wendy_doniger/2008/09/all_beliefs_welcome_unless_the/all_comments.html

From Concerned the Christian now Liberated:

Not one debate question about Witches, Holy Cows, Holy Ghosts/Spirits, Pretty Thingies (Gabriels), Ascending/Descending Bodies, Wine to Blood and Bread to Flesh and the rest of that ancient Voodoo with some first century Palestine hoodoo and six to seventh century Arab Hoodoo!!

Shocking???? Or maybe we have finally grown up and put away Dark Age superstitions!!!!!!

Palin was great. I read some "neutral" news sources that said "she wasn't that bad after all". Did the press form any judgments ahead of time, with accolades to their sainted Barak and Biden?
How bias and prejudice can the media be? It is truly obnoxious.
God helping, many of us are looking forward to the next 4 years with President John McCain and Vice President Sarah Palin. BO can go back to motivational speaking and still not have to do anything of substance, except project his JFK wannabe image, and complain about racism.

Who cares how Palin did in the debate. Everything she said was written out for her. Two days ago she couldn't tell us what newspaper she reads and now she's commenting on Darfur. Does she really expect me to beliieve that she knew about all those things prior to last week. If John McCain is the maverick of reform why is our country in the position that it's in today. I think she needs to take a better look at McCain's voting record. Instead of her talking about Obama not wanting the troops, maybe she should've mentioned how McCain has voted against their health care throughout this war. McCain wouldn't even give up corporate tax loopholes so that that funding could go to the troops.

I'm surprised that the Palinites would be posting here. Like their false idol I didn't think they read newspapers much less leftist ones like the New York Times or The Washington Post.

Palin followed her talking points religiously. Her faith has been a radioactive issue ever since the laying on of hands of her African "witch doctor". She knew it would be a loser.

Talking about faith, Biden has only given $300 to charity per year for ten years! Most people of faith give so much more than that per year with one tenth of Biden's salary. Biden and Obama are frauds. Biden loves to talk about his kitchen table on every campaign stop. Biden should take his kitchen table and give it away rather than talking about it all the time.

I am still GROGGY from doing the 600 miles roundtrip drive (with my entire family) to Washington University where the Vice presidential debate was held.

If you were there, like I was, you'd see it was an Obama event (by 80% to 20%), judging by the number of supporters and hand held signs!

And Chris Mathews was standing before us -- in the pre debate broadcast -- doing his best to make the crowd go wild!!

How did I see the debate and who won?

Well, WITHOUT a doubt Joe Biden won -- I and I'm sure EVERYONE else, who is true to themselves, expected him to win -- and he did.

Two BIGGEST surprises?

NO gaffes from Joe Biden!

And the other?

While I, and millions like me were holding our COLLECTIVE breaths -- yes, we turned blue in the face many times -- THERE WERE NO "DID SHE REALLY SAY THAT" MOMENTS FROM SARAH PALIN (other than maybe her dissing of "the East Coast"), AS SHE ALMOST HELD HER OWN, WITH THE OBVIOUS EXCEPTION THAT SHE WAS VIRTUALLY NON RESPONSIVE TO QUESTIONS.

BUT SHE HELD HER OWN, AND I DID NOT HAVE TO GRIMACE AT ALL.

NOW THOSE TWO EVENTS REPRESENT UNEXPLAINED PHENOMENA. OsiSpeaks[dot]com

Let me just remind people that the "separation of Church and State" is not found in the constitution. This actually is a phrase from Jefferson's letters well after the Constitution was completed. If he wanted to put it in the constitution is would have been there. Many people believe this phrase has been taken out of it's context.

The actual First amendment only restricts governments from meddling in Church affairs. It does not restrict the Church from petitioning the governement or getting involved in politics in any way that other individuals can. In fact the first amendment guarentees these rights.

It makes sense that churches want to get involved and they should to help those of faith to figure out who to vote for.

“ Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. ”

I have no faith that the policies of McCain/Palin will be any different than those of Bush/Cheney, which have pushed our national debt to over $10 trillion and climbing, and have pushed us to the brink of the second Republican Depression in U.S. History.

If there is a God, He surely must be in favor of a health system that cares for people, regardless of their ability to pay.

Sarah Palin is great! She is down to earth and plain spoken. She is just the sort of person we need as President of the United States. This is the same sort of person I would want to remove my brain tumor: somebody I could have a beer with, someone I would lend my lawn mower to. I wouldn't want some "doctor" who diddled away years in some ivory tower "medical school". Go Sarah!

Just what did you learn from Ms. Palin last night? That she can memorize talking points and has at least the intelligence to know where to insert them in the conversation? Haven't we seen enough of that type in the oval office for the last eight years? How about some original thought processes for a change and not another republican robot at the mercy of big Texas oil and investors. These are the very snake oil salesmen who gave us ENRON and the mark to market accounting method for charging top dollar for hot air we were forced to purchase. Sounds like credit cards and AIG insurance doesn't it. Obama may be black, he may be young, he may have radical views of religion, he might believe in science and Charles Darwin's origin of species, who cares if his past actions are for people rather than investors? I doubt that any of us can say we NEVER had a friend or acquaintance who broke our own moral values somewhere along the line. The Obama track record appears to be superior to that of the rest based on service to the working class and that alone makes him a better choice than John McCain. Joe Biden has the experience to get things done in D. C. and Ms. Palin has a track record of Dick Cheaney abuse of power and lack of regard for truth. Holier than thou has resulted in the worst administration in world history and I personally do not want to repeat that embarrassment with more of the same so I will give Obama Biden a shot for they couldn't possibly be any worse than the monkey and the mad man.

Whoever wins the election will keep in mind the following issue so very important in maintaining a watchful eye over Islam:

Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/ plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

This agenda continues as shown by the assassination of Bhutto, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, and the Filipino “koranics”.

And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

Current crises:

The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering, womanizing (11 wives), hallucinating founder.

Every voter should remember the First Amendment of the United States Constitution regarding "separation of church and state," supported by Thomas Jefferson. Our founding fathers were more progressive than many of the Palin and Bush supporters. Say we are in the Middle Ages during Bush's term, we may go back to the Stone Age with Palin in the office.

Mr Patel is ignoring McCain's actual stance on helping others.
He doesnt, he didnt and he wont.

Asking McCain to make a speech on how he would support churches now, after running for a year and never bringing it up, is like giving Palin talking points to mention during a "debate".

PS. It was not a debate. Palin didnt answer half the direct questions.

McCain has answered the question, Mr Patel. He is not interested in doing good works.

Christians can vote for Obama because he has said that
"I am my brother's keeper".
McCain is merely in the pocket of the lobbyists. Note his Draconian health care plan that will require people with existing conditions to hunt for a new plan at a higher premium.

She was as likable as the hyped up product demonstrator at the mall: all manufactured "personality" and "excitement"! But Palin is her own product. I slice, I dice, I can core a apple! I can pronounce nuclear, noo-que-ler just like George W. Bush! But no pointing fingers backwards at the bridge to nowhere!!

Luckily for her, there is only one debate. She'll never have to actually answer a question as she didn't last night. She's a talking points robot on speed.

I thought she laid the folksy act on pretty thick, and her accent seemed thicker than ever. I actually found it pretty excruciating to listen to for 90 minutes.

Other than the overly cutsy "dog gonnit" Joe Six Pack nonsense, she didn't do much differently than she did in her debates running for governor, which was answer different questions than she was asked when she didn't know the answer, and unleash a BS storm, laced with outright untruths and misrepresentations. Tragically, too many people in this country easily fall for that kind of thing.

Can't we just put her on a reality show where she belongs, instead of letting this actress hold high office? Then all the folks who like her can still watch her act every week, but we won't be governed by fools - again. I'm really sick of getting what they deserve.

The time is now!
To remind Americans that Barack Hussein Obama is just another politician that will do or say whatever it takes to fulfill his political ambitions. Barack is calculated and methodical about hiding his true convictions and intentions, and uses deception to get elected.

The time is now!
For Americans to remember Barack Hussein Obama’s intimate 20 year relationship with the Priest of Hate, Jeremiah Wright, who blessed Barack and Michelle marriage and baptized both their daughters. AND, to remember the hideous videos of Jeremiah Wright’s congregation which included the Obamas, damning America with bombastic joy, after the Muslim’s criminal attack on America on 9/11.

The time is now!
For Americans to remember how Barack's Priest of Hate, Jeremiah Wright used his tax-exempt church to exercise a radical political agenda, and how he refers to Israel, as well as America, as a "racist" State. Barack's religious leader, Jeremiah Wright believes that the true 'Chosen People' are the blacks; and that black values are superior to middle-class American values.
 Indeed Barack's Priest of Hate, Jeremiah Wright is a black supremacist.

The time is now!
To remind Americans that Barack Hussein Obama wants to be president to implement Jeremiah Wright’s dream of a black supremacist society in America.

The time is now!
For Americans of all political parties to come together to preserve the future of the country we love and have always been proud of, by voting for a True American Patriot and War Hero who risked his life for our country:
John McCain for President of the United States of America.

Country First!
Americans for John McCain/Sarah Palin

In the beginning, God created the world, Adam, Eve and an apple tree. Near the end, Joe and Sarah stood 10 feet apart arguing about the wrong war that George created.

Everyone has faith. There is no people group that does not have faith. Even those who don't believe in God claiming agnosticism or atheism still have faith. It requires faith to proclaim there is no God. As well, even the non-church going folks tend to be a part of a religion. It is called Humanism. That is the religion of our world. There aren't any church buildings but it is a religion.

It boggles the mind that we have come so far yet we still have people that still hold to the silly, ancient superstitions; like the belief in magical sky fairies and virgin births.

In fact the whole Christian religion is a mirror on the typical right-wing nut-job's mental state. Here they are faced with insurmountable evidence that they are wrong yet they cling to the false beliefs because that's what they know and that's what their parents knew and their parents before them and so on.

The world will be a much better place when we can finally stop wasting all this time on people's stupid superstitions.