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steve- were you referring to me?
(even my husband doesnt call me vicki- but whatever floats your boat)
what gives you the impression that i support ISNA?
i'm one of their biggest critics-
i spend a bit of time blogging with other muslims (im on the computer 8 hours every day anway so...)

ive thought many times of posting links here- but honestly- i dont want to lead haters there-

where do you get the misinformed assumption that i support ISNA?
i simply don't denigrate or attack them-
but there are lots of peoples and groups that i dont attack-
refraining from abusing someone can hardly be construed as supporting them.

And again one is reminded about this famous quote:

Until the koran is deflawed, all mosques "febrezed" and all Shiites and Sunnis pacified, no one is safe!!!!

While people like Eboo Patel and Jack Fairweather go on these pages to trumpet the touch-feely, moderate Islam, people all over the globe are having to cope with the darker truth of modern Islam. First, check out "Indonesia Loses Its Way" over in the PostGlobal blog.

And the citizens of Fairfax County, Virginia, face the same religious extremism. At issue are textbooks used by an Islamic school that contain language intolerant of Jews and other groups as well as passages that could be construed as advocating violence. An official review of the textbooks was done by the congressionally appointed U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom. That Commission recommended in October that the State Department close the school until it proves that it is not teaching a type of religious intolerance potentially dangerous to the United States.

Academy officials claim that they have removed the offending material from the textbooks. The Fairfax County government is unconvinced and has asked the U.S. State Department for a ruling.

I have made the point over and over on separate blogs on On Faith that deal with Islam: Americans must always look past the propaganda turned out by the likes of Eboo Patel and Jack Fairweather about moderate Islam and look to the authoritative voices of that religion to determine its true nature and its compatibility with liberal democracy. I have also specifically said, most recently in a comment on Eboo Patel's article on Islam in America, that one way to discover that truth is to examine the textbooks used in Islamic schools in America. See what Muslim students are actually being taught. I have said that I do not believe that Americans would be reassured by what they find.

I rest my case on the example of the Fairfax County case.

Let me repeat my other main refrain on these pages. A prime indication that Muslims just do not understand what America is all about is the refusal of Muslims like Mr. Patel and Mr. Fairweather to ever deign to respond to any of the comments offered on these pages to their original post. They proffer their commentary and then beat a cowardly retreat into their Wizard of Oz mold. I can think of no attitude more antithetical to the American approach of free and open debate. Mr. Patel and Mr. Fairweather obviously view themselves as the equivalent of the learned Islamic scholar teaching in any Islamic educational institution. Once they speak, that's all anybody needs to know. No counter argument will be tolerated.

Americans should tremble that this attitude is being inculcated into the brains of Muslim students in Islamic schools right here in America.

As I hope we're learning, this year, calling someone a 'hypocrite' cause their actions don't match up to your *smears* may reassure bigotry, but it doesn't convince anyone.

If you're so scared of people who 'believe anything they read' ending up getting out-suckered by some nefarious Islam, you'll have only yourselves to blame.

Mr. Patel, and Mr. Obama, it seems, have a common problem, not to make any more associations for smear-mongers, but really. Both are people part of changing the dialogue and do something positive, who keep getting smeared by people who insist they must 'represent' some of the worst imaginings about people they're *talking to to try and bring about change,*

Yes, lots of people are 'Islamophobes.' You're so terrified that you won't *talk to a reformer.*

I suppose as long as Joe Muhammad in ...say 'Syria' isn't throwing up his hands and begging to be taught the 'error of his ways,' you can still spend a lot more effort spamming here than you can be thinking.

I know it's a bit of a reach to ask the 'once-born' to try taking a long view that doesn't involve a winner-take-all-ruin no-holds-barred final apocalyptic deathmatch, (Sunday, sunday, suuuunday...) but... if you can see or imagine a future that *isn't* about some final showdown of 'flaw-punishing,'

Shaddup a minute and *read.* This is what you're asking for.

It's not going to do the future any good if your only defense against yet another absolutism is in fact, BS.

What we're gonna do right now, sports fans, is *be human to each other and try and be smart.*

'Only a fool fights in a burning house.'

I think that's Klingon.

Maybe you could mellow out. :)

As Salaamu Alaikum Dr. Patel

Wonderful news today! I just found out about Tarek Fatah's new book.

Please invite him to contribute, alomg with you, to the "On Faith" forum.

A great book this is for your youth group too!

Here's a review from ordering site:

CHASING A MIRAGE: The Tragic lllusion of an Islamic State by Tarek Fatah

He exposes the tactic of Islamists who while promoting armed Jihad based on the teachings of such 20th century Islamists as the late Syed Qutb and Hassan al-Banna of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood and Syed Maudoodi of the Pakistani Jamaat-e-Islami, deceive western audiences by falsely claiming that "jihad" merely means an "inner struggle". Fatah cites from the works of both Maudoodi and Qutb--available in US and Canada--to prove his point. He claims that both these political parties have their tentacles in Canada and the US, especially in university campuses.

Reviewer adds: I particularly enjoyed the single page "Manufacturer's Warranty" at the end of the book, where the Divine supposedly warns "end-users" that plagiarised and unauthorized versions of Islam are being bootlegged by shady "retailers".

In the Warranty notice, God warns Muslims that all calls to his "Help Desk" will go unanswered unless callers can demonstrate that they have uninstalled all unauthorized "plug-ins" over the basic "operating system" of Islam :-)

The only group movement non-Muslims want to see is one that addresses the flaws and errors of Islam. And Eboo Patel, what group might that be??????

Hey Eboo - Remember how that trustworthy Sheik Kabbani was treated by that sayyid saeed isna liar that ji terrorist lovin' guy....and you as kafir ismaili want to kiss the feet of the mb. man - get some decent friends. a few years ago those criminals would have spit at a nice guy like you who talks to people of other faiths with sincerity.

those groups just want to control people's minds and be the big dogs. people , learn to think for yourselves rather than following a bunch of power hungry idiots.

No matter all the good in your efforts Mr. Patel, Muslims will never get it right until they chose to be represented by groups not involved with a criminal Muslim Brotherhood trying in an underhanded way to undermine our Constitution.

If ISNA and MPAC are involved, We all know it's just more BS Muslim Propaganda (like Vicky claiming to care about protecting our Constitution while supporting isna and such groups). We're sick of the lies Bro and until you get rid of the 2-faced jackals in your camp, nobody will believe you or care what you do really. If you can't provide trustworthy Muslims to interact with than better not to interact at all. It's just a stupid publicity stunt with your mpac and isna dudes grabbing for the mike. People are damn sick of Isna - Mpac and Muslim lies. If you showed up with some Muslims who are comfortable with our democracy, then let's interact.

This whole charade is nonsence. No sincere or honest person is going to bother attending something to here your liars lie.

First the Islamophobia charade. We aren't afraid of you, we'd just like a few honest Muslims to have a genuine dialogue with. Now you make us get just plain fed up with you that you can't come with some honorable company.