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Moody,

You can keep hopping but the fact is that I have shown you two pieces of hard data that marriage between cousins leads to real genetic defects. Data from UK and data from a study in Pakistan. There are studies available from Egypt, Saudi Arabia and India as well. You can go into denial as you have but that does not change the facts.

Look at the list you post. Allah could have said do not marry first cousins. He could have said do not marry cousins generation after generation. He does neither. You are adding the statement (preferably) on your own; nothing in the quran or the hadiath.

oopht. truth hurts.

so thank you ibrahim, arif, akafir and others. i read here and i like to share posts here with my friends. keep speaking the truth.

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Moody:
Your mentor, Naik, aka Mr. “F” uses Quran 79;30 to show that the earth is egg-shaped and thereby ‘prove’ that "the Creator wrote it". He translates the Arab word ‘Dahaha’ as egg-shaped, while all the Arabic dictionaries translate it as “extended”. In Quran translated by Abdullah Yousif the above verse reads
“And the earth, moreover
He extended”

You and your mentor further use Quran 39:5 which states”
“He makes the Night
Overlap the Day, and the Day
Overlap the night”
As another evidence of the spherical shape of the Earth.

Are you smart enough to see how ridiculous is this argument?
The fact that your Quran commands you to face Mecca during prayer is alone a conclusive proof that its author believes the earth to be flat.

You further claim that the Quran knew before anyone else that ”all living things are made of water”. Hogwash! Water is made of Oxygen and Hydrogen only while bodies of living organisms have at least 112 different elements in the form of compounds minerals.

These are enough examples for the time being. You too can go back to my earlier post that shows how miraculous your Quran is.

There are 50 plus predominantly Muslim countries scattered around the planet and the only other thing they have in common besides their religion is their utter backwardness in all of life’s facets; economical, social, industrial, financial, military, educational ,etc. If the Quran knew of important physical facts before the rest of the world why the Muslims did not use them to improve the living conditions of their societies. Ask your Mr. “F” to discuss the connection between your belief system and your sorry state of affairs than try prove the "miracles" in your Book. That will be much more productive.

Those of us who belong to former colonies think of imperialism as rape. So you rape. Then you kill. Then you demand the right to rape the corpse. That's usually known as necrophilia. Extending this horrible analogy, Richard Perle said recently, "Iraqis are freer today and we are safer. Relax and enjoy it." A few days into the war, the news anchor Tom Brokaw said: "One of the things we don't want to do...is to destroy the infrastructure of Iraq because in a few days we're going to own that country." Now the ownership deeds are being signed. Iraq is no longer a country. It's an asset.

It's no longer ruled. It's owned. And it is owned for the most part by Bechtel. Maybe Halliburton and a British company or two will get a few bones.

Our battle has to be against both the occupiers and the new owners of Iraq.

FOR GENERAL INFORMATION:

In Islam you cannot have out side marital sexual relations WHICH MOST OF THE MUSLIM POPULATION FOLLOW AND PRACTICE.

And YOU (Muslim) CANNOT MARRY:

1- YOur or your wife's mother or step mothers or grand mothers, step grand mothers OR fathers.
2- Your sister or step sister.
3- Your brother or step brother.
4- Your wife’s sister or step sister until you are married to her or until she is alive.
5- Your daughter and son OR your brothers or sisters daughter and son, including all step.
6-Your father's and mother’s, brothers or sisters including steps and there wife’s and husbands and there parents.

But you are allowed to marry there children (your cousin) ONLY PREFERABLE for first generation and MORE PREFERABLE is to marry out side family.
(Scientifically proven that first generation marriage doesn't cause any harm, but there is a possibility of less then 1/1000 of physical harm, if you continue keep marrying with cousin’s generation after generation.)

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A. Kafir,

Since you also referred to Britain.
I personally observer more frequent physically and mentally retarded people in U.K where every I went there, compare to my Muslim country which is even with much bigger population. I don't see such humongous proportion all over in my country that you find some body every where you go.

WHY is it so? You don't marry your cousins or INFACT you hardly get married?

OR

Is it the result of multiple promiscuity or shame free counting free sexual encounters in your general public practice???

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1996, Madeleine Albright, then the US secretary of state, was asked on national television what she felt about the fact that 500,000 Iraqi children had died as a result of US economic sanctions. She replied that it was "a very hard choice", but that, all things considered, "we think the price is worth it". Albright never lost her job for saying this. She continued to travel the world representing the views and aspirations of the US government. More pertinently, the sanctions against Iraq remained in place. Children continued to die

A. Kafir,

So to prove your intelligence you are DEPENDENT on one odd cities, odd doctors random states in some EXCITING for you news to make SOME CONCLUSION?

And thats how you make your SCIENTIFIC claims and PROVE the high limits of your intelligece.

I have nothing further to prove then my original reply against this question.

SO YOU IN YOUR DULL MIND TRYING TO CLAIM IT IS SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN AS A ..... FACT? or just a theory??

Go and keep hopping grass!

1.6 Billion Muslims are not IMPRESSED by your kinds INVENTIVE EVERY DAY POPING SENSATIONAL NEWS.

Moody writes: "A. Kafir,

So you are telling that 44% of Pakistani children are physically ill. Go and check with some mental doctor your mental and physical health FIRST."

Moody, there is a cure for wilful ignorance, and it is to atleast attempt to read.

I provided you a link to a pakistani newspaper. Here it is again:
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008%5C02%5C01%5Cstory_1-2-2008_pg7_19

The study does not say that 44% of pakistani kids are physically ill, but as the article states: "Marriages between cousins is a major reason for around 44 percent thalassaemia children registered in the city, a study conducted by the University of Health Sciences (UHS) reveals".

The fact remains that marriag between cousins among the muslims is a major source of genetic problems and Allah did not seem to know this simple genetics.

Moody, your Allah is dumb. Why?

A. Kafir wrote: “...Why don't you answer why is it that your Allah is so dumb that he did not tell his followers not to marry first cousins?”
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Don't forget that Lot of the Old Testament had kids by his daughters. God approved.

“The Muslim practice is similar to older Middle Eastern norms, such as those outlined in Leviticus in the Old Testament. The lineage of the Hebrew Patriarchs who founded the Jewish people was highly inbred. Abraham said his wife Sarah was also his half-sister. His son Isaac married Rebekah, a cousin once removed. And Isaac's son Jacob wed his two first cousins, Leah and Rachel.

Jacob's dozen sons were the famous progenitors of the Twelve Tribes of Israel. Due to inbreeding, Jacob's eight legitimate sons had only six unique great-grandparents instead of the usual eight. That's because the inbred are related to their relatives through multiple paths.”
http://www.isteve.com/cousin_marriage_conundrum.htm

Ibrahim Mahfouz:

I'm not visiting this blog to teach and rectify you on every thing. Try to put YOUR SELF atleast some DUMB effort, if you could. THOUGH I can see through your posts there is less chance even that effort will reduce any bigotry. All your stupid questions are by chance also answered at IRF link I have given below.

A. Kafir,

So you are telling that 44% of Pakistani children are physically ill. Go and check with some mental doctor your mental and physical health FIRST.

ATLEAST I CAN'T SEE ANY POSSIBLE CURE OF YOUR HUMOROUS LYING AND BIGOTRY. And now I also have doubtes about your mental health.

Seems like no logic, science or reason can affect Coptic dumbness & stubbornness.

Holy Bible writes (twice):
"A. KAFIR,

The holy Scriptures say this about you and your prophet.

"Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. (1 John 2:22-23)."

Who is my prophet?

Once again, every interfaith group session should begin with the historic flaws of the major religions. By doing this, there would only be one faith left i.e. Reality ( And the Necessary Thumping Thereof):

Once again as a counter to the milleniums of religious mumbo jumbo :

1. Abraham founder/father of three major religions was probably an embellishment of the lives of three different men or a mythical character as was Moses, the "Tablet-Man" who talked to burning bushes and made much magic in Egypt.

1.5 million Conservative Jews and their rabbis have relegated Abraham to the myth pile along with most if not all the OT. http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/ConservativeTorah.htm

2. Jesus, the illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter possibly suffering from hallucinations, has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a mamzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). Analyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, On Faith panelists) via the NT and related documents have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hittites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics. http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

For added "pizzazz", Catholic/Christian theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

3. Mohammed, an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, also had embellishing/hallucinating/plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

This agenda continues as shown by the assassination of Bhutto, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, and the Filipino “koranics”.

And who funds these acts of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

4. Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley et al, founders of Christian-based religions, also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingy talking flying fictional thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immaculate conceptions).

5. Hinduism (from an online Hindu site) - "Hinduism cannot be described as an organized religion. It is not founded by any individual. Hinduism is God centered and therefore one can call Hinduism as founded by God, because the answer to the question ‘Who is behind the eternal principles and who makes them work?’ will have to be ‘Cosmic power, Divine power, God’."

The caste/laborer system and cow worship are problems when saying a fair and rational God founded Hinduism."

6. Buddhism- "Buddhism began in India about 500 years before the birth of Christ. The people living at that time had become disillusioned with certain beliefs of Hinduism including the caste system, which had grown extremely complex. The number of outcasts (those who did not belong to any particular caste) was continuing to grow."
"However, in Buddhism, like so many other religions, fanciful stories arose concerning events in the life of the founder, Siddhartha Gautama (fifth century B.C.):"

Archaeological discoveries have proved, beyond a doubt, his historical character, but apart from the legends we know very little about the circumstances of his life. e.g. Buddha by one legend was supposedly talking when he came out of his mother's womb.

Bottom line: There are many good ways of living but be aware of the hallucinations, embellishments, lies and myths surrounding the founders and foundations of said rules of life.

A. KAFIR,

The holy Scriptures say this about you and your prophet.

"Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. (1 John 2:22-23).

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More off topic-

Watch the video on the link page. Tariq Ramadan plays the Islamophobe card near the end.

"For those interested in the current upset over the Archbishop of Canterbury's Sharia law comments:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/default.stm

How do you solve a Problem like Shari'ah?

He must resign.."

Another BBC story:

"A decapitated body found behind a row of shops in north London has been identified as Lakhdar Ouyahia.
Mr Ouyahia, who was 43 and an Algerian national, was found wrapped in a blood-stained duvet in a supermarket goods cage in Kilburn.

Detectives investigating the case have also confirmed that they have found Mr Ouyahia's head in a canal nearby.

Mohamed Boudjenane, 45, of Kingsgate Road, Kilburn, is due to appear in court on Monday charged with murder."

Wonder what Law he broke??

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/7237207.stm

Wow, that's a lot of off-topic posts, as usual.

Probably underscores the need for those interfaith youth programs, though.

Especially where the adults of certain major religions can't seem to do anything but hostile advertising and attacking.

This is the exact reason kids should be given the opportunity to teach themselves and each other how to get along, instead of having our schools turned into recruiting grounds for those who claim 'My way is the only way and it's very important to be hostile to all others.'

This *is* a diverse society, and if some of we 'adults' can't get behind that, then it's time for those to get out of the way.

We can all do better.

blessed are the cheesemakers, and other manufacturers of dairy products. Cursed are the lactose-intolerant, for they shall not partake of the blessings of the cheesemakers.

None are so blind as those who will not see.

(Fred, 31:34)

You just gotta love it when the christian freaks and the muslim freaks start throwing crap at each other, each claiming the Big Pure Truth.

It's reassuring to see how widespread the insanity is among our species. When you nuts decide to kill each other off, do you think you might take your disease with you?

PS.

Jewish tradition (some verified through the historian Flavius Josephus) holds that the Apostles Paul and Peter among many others were tortured and crucified.

On the sermon on the mount Jesus said: "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God. Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.

Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is yor reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you."

Mathew 5:8-12

Anonymous:

Is any form of suffering more palatable than another?

Is the suffering of one person more important than another's?

If you only care about the suffering of those just like you then youn don't get it, the Spirit is not strong in you, and you don't know Jesus like you think you do.

We should try to stop ALL suffering we see.

Moody:
Re: Creator the Author of Quran
You quote from Naik some scientific phenomena to prove that the Quran was written by Allah. Why didn't you and he mention the many other wrong phenomena and the even more internal contradictions as well as historical mistakes and contradictions? Below are just a sample.

18:86
Until when he reached
The setting of the sun,
He found it set
In a spring of murky water:
Translation: The sun sets in a well with hot mud.
31:10
He created the heavens
Without any pillars that ye
Can see; He set
On the earth mountains
Standing firm, lest it
Should shake with you;
Translation: The mountains are put there to anchor the earth so it would not move.
23 :12-14
Then We did create
From a quintessence(of clay)
Then We placed him
As(a drop of) semen
In a place of rest,
Firmly fixed;
Then We made the semen
Into a clot of congealed blood;
Then of that clot We made
A lump; then We
Made out of that lump
Bones and clothed the bones
With flesh; then We developed
Out of it another creature.
Translation: The semen became a clot of blood, then a lump and the lump became a skeleton and after that the skeleton was clothed with flesh. Have you ever heard of a woman aborting a skeleton?
These are supposedly the explanation given by the Creator on some natural phenomena. It does not sound to me to be anymore scientific than would be expected of a 7th Century desert dweller.

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Moody,

44% of the kids in the pakistani study does not arise from 1/1000 of the chance.

Why don't you answer why is it that your Allah is so dumb that he did not tell his followers not to marry first cousins?

Moody, Moody, Moody,
Again:

All of your copying and pasting from severely flawed pro-Muslim website, simply reinforces the following:

Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab who also had embellishing/ hallucinating/ plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

This agenda continues as shown by the assassination of Bhutto, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, and the Filipino “koranics”.

And who funds these acts of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

(This is a follow-up on the (raised in the USA)Muslim woman in Saudi who was arrested, strip searched and told she was going to hell for have coffee with her co-worker at Starbucks.)

--The National Society for Human Rights (NSHR), Saudi Arabia’s non-governmental rights body, will address the Governorate of Riyadh regarding Yara, a 36-year-old Jeddah-based businesswoman who was apprehended by the religious police and thrown in Al-Malaz Prison on Monday.

Yara said she endured a humiliating and frightening hours-long ordeal that began with her arrest by a member of the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice for having coffee with an unrelated man in a Starbucks cafe in Riyadh.

“We have visited Yara at home and took her official complaint,” NSHR member Al-Jawhara Al-Angari told Arab News yesterday. “The complaint will be sent to the main office in Riyadh where further notices from our part will be added. It will then be sent to the Governorate of Riyadh.”

Yara says she was forced to fingerprint two confessions and was strip-searched in the prison. She also said she was produced before a “legal sheikh” who sat behind a one-way glass window and told her she would go to hell for the moral crimes she had committed.

The incident occurred on the same day that Yakin Ertürk, the special rapporteur of the United Nations Human Rights Council on Violence Against Women, arrived in the Kingdom on a 10-day visit.

A member of the religious police apprehended Yara for the moral crime of “khulwa” (a state of seclusion with an unrelated man). The woman’s colleague, a Syrian financial analyst, was also arrested and released the following day.

According to Al-Angari, several serious violations of human rights were apparent in this case. “First of all, Yara was not in a state of khulwa,” said Al-Angari. “She was in a public place where people were all around them,” said Al-Angari.

Yara told the NSHR that the commission member who arrested her was not accompanied by a police officer and that he didn’t provide any documentation, or even his name. He also prevented her from contacting relatives.

“She had relatives in Riyadh at the time whom she could have contacted,” said Al-Angari. “A relative should have come to be with her when she was being taken somewhere.”

After the commission member forced Yara to go with him in a taxi, she said that she was placed in a GMC parked in front of a local commission center.

This, said Al-Angari, is a direct violation of an Interior Ministry order that commission members are not to hold suspects but rather turn them over to proper authorities for investigation.

“The confiscation of her mobile and the refusal of the commission member to allow her to contact her husband or any other relative to come to her rescue was another violation,” Al-Angari said.

Another human rights violation was forcing Yara to fingerprint a confession under duress.

Having grown up in the US, Yara’s Arabic language skills are insufficient to have been able to comprehend what was written on the document she was compelled to sign.

“She cannot read Arabic,” Al-Angari said. “The commission member should have read to her what she was going to fingerprint. She had no idea what she was fingerprinting. She obliged in a state of panic.”

The NSHR official described the manner in which Yara was strip-searched in prison as “inhuman”.

“It was degrading to her, both mentally and physically. The fact that she was asked to remove her clothes like that implied she was a criminal,” she said.

The NSHR member said the rights body would urge the Governorate of Riyadh to drop all fingerprinted confession papers from Yara’s public file.

“We also will take note of the violations that had occurred in this case and notify the governorate about them. We further will ask that Yara be compensated for the damages she sustained,” she said. However, Yara’s case is not the first of its reported kind in the Kingdom. In 2003, the religious police apprehended a British woman in the capital from the Kingdom Center on the charge of “not covering up sufficiently” in public. The woman was forced to get into a taxi by a commission member. She was taken to one of their centers.

She later narrated to Arab News how three men grabbed her from behind and forced her to fingerprint a document in Arabic. She was then thrown in Al-Malaz Prison in a similar manner. Even though she was released at the intervention of the embassy, the woman suffered from serious psychological repercussions. Her husband told Arab News at that time that she refused to take off her abaya (the body veil) inside their house for three weeks after the incident. The couple eventually left the Kingdom.

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1§ion=0&article=106645&d=10&m=2&y=2008

Moody:
You claim that Islam means peace in Arabic. That is false. Islam means "submission", while the term Salam means "peace". We should not be surprised because Taqiyah in your cult makes it halal or allowable to lie in order to advance your cause. Another Arabic word you need to know is 'Naik" which is the last name of the nutcase you are quoting. It is the Arabic "F" word, which, I suppose, is appropriate.

A. Kafir:

Your below words which I do not said referring towards me CLEARLY prove your lying intensions:

“first cousin marriages generation after generation do not lead to severe genetic disease"

Instead I said,

Scientifically proven that "first generation" marriage doesn't cause any harm,

But there is a possibility of less then 1/1000 of physical harm, if you continue keep marrying with cousins generation to generation.

To verify type genetics and Google your self. IF which I doubt would help to release you from your excruciating pain.

GO AHEAD KEEP LYING & TWISTING OTHERS STATEMENTS TO MAKE YOUR POINT!!!!

Moody writes: "But you can marry there children only preferable for first generation and more preferable is to marry out side family.(Scientifically proven that first generation marriage doesn't cause any harm, but there is a possibility of less then 1/1000 of physical harm, if you continue keep marrying with cousins generation to generation.)"

Nonsense. Scientifically? And your authority is Zaker the Quacker the nut job from Mumbai? LoL!! Moody, let us see your scientific references which back up your claim. You are just about as ignorant as you dumb Allah when it comes to genetics.

Moody,

Why don't you tell all the medical scientist that modern day genetics is totally wrong, and first cousin marriages generation after generation do not lead to severe genetic disease. Phil Woolas, the UK minister seems to be quoting statistics UK government collects to show that 1/3 of the genetics disease in UK comes from 3% of the pakistani muslim population that practices first cousin marriages. Those are the facts. No one is saying that others do not have genetics disease. Humans will always have it ... that is genetics but people do not marry close relatives because they know it increase the chances of problems.

You did not answer the question: How come your allah had no clue about that simple gentics science? Indian muslims suffer from the same problem as the muslims of pakistan.

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http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008%5C02%5C01%5Cstory_1-2-2008_pg7_19

LAHORE: Marriages between cousins is a major reason for around 44 percent thalassaemia children registered in the city, a study conducted by the University of Health Sciences (UHS) reveals.

Prof Dr Muhammad Aslam Khan, the head of the UHS Human Genetics and Biotechnology Department, conducted a study on cultural consanguinity in Punjab and highlighted the hazards of marriages between cousins and blood relatives.

Dr Khan told Daily Times that he had interviewed 206 families in Lahore and found that 89 percent parents were knotted in consanguinity marriages. He said he had found one or more thalassaemia cases in the families where cousin marriages were common. The 206 families had given birth to 720 children, out of which 318 children were inflicted with thalassaemia and 402 were found healthy. He said that out of those 318 thalassaemia patients, 174 were males and 144 were females. Out of the 420 healthy children, 209 were boys and 195 were girls, he added.
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Moody, if you are from India, look up the genetic illness among the indian muslims. It far outstrips the kafirs of india. All because of the stupidity of Allah!!!

Really, how come your Allah did not see the problem with cousin marriages?

Moody, Moody, Moody,

All of your copying and pasting from severely flawed pro-Muslim website, simply reinforces the following:

. Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven,warmongering, hallucinating Arab who also had embellishing/ hallucinating/ plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

This agenda continues as shown by the assassination of Bhutto, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, and the Filipino “koranics”.

And who funds these acts of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

A. Kafir,

I have been in Britain and genetic illness there is a general phenomena and not JUST the muslim one.

I personlly have seen all kind of NON MUSLIM genetically ill super white race(ist).

Also include step and fathers where ever it is missing.

WITH CORRECTIONS:

A. Kafir,

In Islam you cannot have out side marital sexual relations and you CANNOT MARRY:

1- Your or your wife's mother or step mothers or grand mothers, step grand mothers.
2- Your sister or step sister.
3- Your brother or step brothers.
4- Your wife’s sister or step sister until you are married to her or until she is alive.
5- Your daughter and son OR your brothers or sisters daughter and son, including all step.
6-Your father's brothers or sisters including steps and there wife’s and husbands. But you can marry there children only preferable for first generation and more preferable is to marry out side family.(Scientifically proven that first generation marriage doesn't cause any harm, but there is a possibility of less then 1/1000 of physical harm, if you continue keep marrying with cousins generation to generation.)
7-Your mothers brothers and sisters including steps and there wife’s and husbands. But you can marry there children only preferable for first generation and more preferable is to marry out side family.(Scientifically proven that first generation marriage doesn't cause any harm, but there is a possibility of less then 1/1000 of physical harm, if you continue keep marrying with cousins generation to generation.)

And one thing I missed,

- You cannot marry your brother or step brother as well.

A. Kafir,

In Islam you cannot have out side marital sexual relations and you CANNOT MARRY:

1- Your or your wife's mother or step mothers or grand mothers, step grand mothers.
2- YOur sister or step sister.
3- Your wifes sister or step sister until you are married to her or until she is alive.
4- Your daughter OR your brothers or sisters daughter.
5-Your father's brothers or sisters including steps and there wifes and husbands. But you can marry there childern only perferabe for first generation and more preferable is to marry out side family.(Scientifically proven that first generation marriage doesn't cause any harm, but there is a possibility of less then 1/1000 of physical harm, if you continue keep marrying with cousins generation to generation.)
6-Your mothers brothers and sisters including steps and there wifes and husbands.But you can marry there childern only perferabe for first generation and more preferable is to marry out side family.(Scientifically proven that first generation marriage doesn't cause any harm, but there is a possibility of less then 1/1000 of physical harm, if you continue keep marrying with cousins generation to generation.)

VOTE: For,

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All possible kind of questions asked by non muslims about Islam answered on below web site:
http://www.irf.net/irf/faqonislam/index.htm

PROVING THE EXISTENCE OF ALLAH (SWT)TO AN ATHEIST
by Dr. Zakir Naik

CONGRATULATING AN ATHEIST

Normally, when I meet an atheist, the first thing I like to do is to congratulate him and say, " My special congratulations to you", because most of the people who believe in God are doing blind belief - he is a Christian, because his father is a Christian; he is a Hindu, because his father is a Hindu; the majority of the people in the world are blindly following the religion of their fathers. An atheist, on the other hand, even though he may belong to a religious family, uses his intellect to deny the existence of God; what ever concept or qualities of God he may have learnt in his religion may not seem to be logical to him.

My Muslim brothers may question me, "Zakir, why are you congratulating an atheist?" The reason that I am congratulating an atheist is because he agrees with the first part of the Shahada i.e. the Islamic Creed, ‘La ilaaha’ - meaning ‘there is no God’. So half my job is already done; now the only part left is ‘il lallah’ i.e. ‘BUT ALLAH’ which I shall do Insha Allah. With others (who are not atheists) I have to first remove from their minds the wrong concept of God they may have and then put the correct concept of one true God.

LOGICAL CONCEPT OF GOD

My first question to the atheist will be: "What is the definition of God?" For a person to say there is no God, he should know what is the meaning of God. If I hold a book and say that ‘this is a pen’, for the opposite person to say, ‘it is not a pen’, he should know what is the definition of a pen, even if he does not know nor is able to recognise or identify the object I am holding in my hand. For him to say this is not a pen, he should at least know what a pen means. Similarly for an atheist to say ‘there is no God’, he should at least know the concept of God. His concept of God would be derived from the surroundings in which he lives. The god that a large number of people worship has got human qualities - therefore he does not believe in such a god. Similarly a Muslim too does not and should not believe in such false gods.

If a non-Muslim believes that Islam is a merciless religion with something to do with terrorism; a religion which does not give rights to women; a religion which contradicts science; in his limited sense that non-Muslim is correct to reject such Islam. The problem is he has a wrong picture of Islam. Even I reject such a false picture of Islam, but at the same time, it becomes my duty as a Muslim to present the correct picture of Islam to that non-Muslim i.e. Islam is a merciful religion, it gives equal rights to the women, it is not incompatible with logic, reason and science; if I present the correct facts about Islam, that non-Muslim may Inshallah accept Islam.

Similarly the atheist rejects the false gods and the duty of every Muslim is to present the correct concept of God which he shall Insha Allah not refuse.

(You may refer to my article, ‘Concept of God in Islam’, for more details)

QUR’AN AND MODERN SCIENCE

The methods of proving the existence of God with usage of the material provided in the ‘Concept of God in Islam’ to an atheist may satisfy some but not all.

Many atheists demand a scientific proof for the existence of God. I agree that today is the age of science and technology. Let us use scientific knowledge to kill two birds with one stone, i.e. to prove the existence of God and simultaneously prove that the Qur’an is a revelation of God.

If a new object or a machine, which no one in the world has ever seen or heard of before, is shown to an atheist or any person and then a question is asked, " Who is the first person who will be able to provide details of the mechanism of this unknown object? After little bit of thinking, he will reply, ‘the creator of that object.’ Some may say ‘the producer’ while others may say ‘the manufacturer.’ What ever answer the person gives, keep it in your mind, the answer will always be either the creator, the producer, the manufacturer or some what of the same meaning, i.e. the person who has made it or created it. Don’t grapple with words, whatever answer he gives, the meaning will be same, therefore accept it.

SCIENTIFIC FACTS MENTIONED IN THE QUR’AN: for details on this subject please refer to my book, ‘THE QUR’AN AND MODERN SCIENCE – COMPATIBLE OR INCOMPATIBLE?

THEORY OF PROBABILITY

In mathematics there is a theory known as ‘Theory of Probability’. If you have two options, out of which one is right, and one is wrong, the chances that you will chose the right one is half, i.e. one out of the two will be correct. You have 50% chances of being correct. Similarly if you toss a coin the chances that your guess will be correct is 50% (1 out of 2) i.e. 1/2. If you toss a coin the second time, the chances that you will be correct in the second toss is again 50% i.e. half. But the chances that you will be correct in both the tosses is half multiplied by half (1/2 x 1/2) which is equal to 1/4 i.e. 50% of 50% which is equal to 25%. If you toss a coin the third time, chances that you will be correct all three times is (1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2) that is 1/8 or 50% of 50% of 50% that is 12½%.

A dice has got six sides. If you throw a dice and guess any number between 1 to 6, the chances that your guess will be correct is 1/6. If you throw the dice the second time, the chances that your guess will be correct in both the throws is (1/6 x 1/6) which is equal to 1/36. If you throw the dice the third time, the chances that all your three guesses are correct is (1/6 x 1/6 x 1/6) is equal to 1/216 that is less than 0.5 %.

Let us apply this theory of probability to the Qur’an, and assume that a person has guessed all the information that is mentioned in the Qur’an which was unknown at that time. Let us discuss the probability of all the guesses being simultaneously correct.

At the time when the Qur’an was revealed, people thought the world was flat, there are several other options for the shape of the earth. It could be triangular, it could be quadrangular, pentagonal, hexagonal, heptagonal, octagonal, spherical, etc. Lets assume there are about 30 different options for the shape of the earth. The Qur’an rightly says it is spherical, if it was a guess the chances of the guess being correct is 1/30.

The light of the moon can be its own light or a reflected light. The Qur’an rightly says it is a reflected light. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/2 and the probability that both the guesses i.e the earth is spherical and the light of the moon is reflected light is 1/30 x 1/2 = 1/60.

Further, the Qur’an also mentions every living thing is made of water. Every living thing can be made up of either wood, stone, copper, aluminum, steel, silver, gold, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, oil, water, cement, concrete, etc. The options are say about 10,000. The Qur’an rightly says that everything is made up of water. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/10,000 and the probability of all the three guesses i.e. the earth is spherical, light of moon is reflected light and everything is created from water being correct is 1/30 x 1/2 x 1/10,000 = 1/60,000 which is equal to about .0017%.

The Qur’an speaks about hundreds of things that were not known to men at the time of its revelation. Only in three options the result is .0017%. I leave it upto you, to work out the probability if all the hundreds of the unknown facts were guesses, the chances of all of them being correct guesses simultaneously and there being not a single wrong guess. It is beyond human capacity to make all correct guesses without a single mistake, which itself is sufficient to prove to a logical person that the origin of the Qur’an is Divine.

CREATOR IS THE AUTHOR OF THE QUR’AN

The only logical answer to the question as to who could have mentioned all these scientific facts 1400 years ago before they were discovered, is exactly the same answer initially given by the atheist or any person, to the question who will be the first person who will be able to tell the mechanism of the unknown object. It is the ‘CREATOR’, the producer, the Manufacturer of the whole universe and its contents. In the English language He is ‘God’, or more appropriate in the Arabic language, ‘ALLAH’.

QUR’AN IS A BOOK OF SIGNS AND NOT SCIENCE

Let me remind you that the Qur’an is not a book of Science, ‘S-C-I-E-N-C-E’ but a book of Signs ‘S-I-G-N-S’ i.e. a book of ayaats. The Qur’an contains more than 6,000 ayaats, i.e. ‘signs’, out of which more than a thousand speak about Science. I am not trying to prove that the Qur’an is the word of God using scientific knowledge as a yard stick because any yardstick is supposed to be more superior than what is being checked or verified. For us Muslims the Qur’an is the Furqan i.e. criteria to judge right from wrong and the ultimate yardstick which is more superior to scientific knowledge.

But for an educated man who is an atheist, scientific knowledge is the ultimate test which he believes in. We do know that science many a times takes ‘U’ turns, therefore I have restricted the examples only to scientific facts which have sufficient proof and evidence and not scientific theories based on assumptions. Using the ultimate yardstick of the atheist, I am trying to prove to him that the Qur’an is the word of God and it contains the scientific knowledge which is his yardstick which was discovered recently, while the Qur’an was revealed 1400 year ago. At the end of the discussion, we both come to the same conclusion that God though superior to science, is not incompatible with it.

SCIENCE IS ELIMINATING MODELS OF GOD BUT NOT GOD

Francis Bacon, the famous philosopher, has rightly said that a little knowledge of science makes man an atheist, but an in-depth study of science makes him a believer in God. Scientists today are eliminating models of God, but they are not eliminating God. If you translate this into Arabic, it is La illaha illal la, There is no god, (god with a small ‘g’ that is fake god) but God (with a capital ‘G’).

Surah Fussilat:

"Soon We will show them our signs in the (farthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?"

[Al-Quran 41:53]

Moody,

What does Zakir have to say about the devastating practice of marrying first cousins in Islam?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3342040.ece

"A government minister has warned that inbreeding among immigrants is causing a surge in birth defects - comments likely to spark a new row over the place of Muslims in British society.
.......
Medical research suggests that while British Pakistanis are responsible for 3% of all births, they account for one in three British children born with genetic illnesses."

Allah tells you that you can marry first cousins in the Quran. How come Allah did not know basic Genetics? Ever wondered about that?

How many generations of inbreeding do you have behind you?

Moody,

LoL!! Good stuff to post from Zakir Naik's website. That tells the Kafirs a bit more about Eboo's background as well. Zakir hails from the same country and a very similar background as Eboo. They can compare and see for themselves what Eboo is really trying to say when they read Zakir's website.

Moody:
Re Hijab and homosexuality in Islam

Below is the historical root for the "veil" in Islam:
In the book Sahih Bukhari on the chapter of "Ablution" and the topic of "Defecating Women", it states that the wives of the Prophet used to go out at night to defecate in a clearing just outside the neighborhood. Omar ibn Khattab, one of the Prophet’s sons in law and friend, advised the Prophet to veil his wives so they would not be recognized, but the Prophet resisted. Until one dark night Omar recognized Sauda bint Zum‘a, one of the Prophet’s wives who happened to be very tall. He called out her name while she was defecating and she answered. It was only then that the Prophet agreed to veil his wives, and as usual Gabriel was quick to validate the decision with a new "revelation". All those lofty reasons that Muslims give today for the veil are mere rationalizations to a specific situation regarding the many wives of the Prophet.

Talking about incest and homosexuality let us examine the hanky panky that is going on today in the land of the Two Shrines and cradle of Islam.
http://www.westernresistance.com/blog/archives/003716.html
An excerpt: {A magazine editor in Jeddah told me that many boys in Mecca, where he grew up have sexual relations with men, but they don't see themselves as gay. "Homosexuality is considered to be a stage of life, particularly at youth."}
I often wandered what were the other duties of those pre-teen boys serving wine to the faithful reclining inside silk tents in the Muslim Paradise. As if 72 nymphs for each believer is not enough.

"Islam means peace" is a lie told to the infidel unbeliever.

Here's the TRUTH:

In Arabic, the word Islam means "submission". The word Islam comes from the Arabic word that means "surrender."

Most Common Questions asked by Non-Muslims

MUSLIMS ARE FUNDAMENTALISTS AND TERRORISTS

Question:

Why are most of the Muslims fundamentalists and terrorists?

Answer:

This question is often hurled at Muslims, either directly or indirectly, during any discussion on religion or world affairs. Muslim stereotypes are perpetuated in every form of the media accompanied by gross misinformation about Islam and Muslims. In fact, such misinformation and false propaganda often leads to discrimination and acts of violence against Muslims. A case in point is the anti-Muslim campaign in the American media following the Oklahoma bomb blast, where the press was quick to declare a ‘Middle Eastern conspiracy’ behind the attack. The culprit was later identified as a soldier from the American Armed Forces.

Let us analyze this allegation of ‘fundamentalism’ and ‘terrorism’:

1. Definition of the word ‘fundamentalist’

A fundamentalist is a person who follows and adheres to the fundamentals of the doctrine or theory he is following. For a person to be a good doctor, he should know, follow, and practise the fundamentals of medicine. In other words, he should be a fundamentalist in the field of medicine. For a person to be a good mathematician, he should know, follow and practise the fundamentals of mathematics. He should be a fundamentalist in the field of mathematics. For a person to be a good scientist, he should know, follow and practise the fundamentals of science. He should be a fundamentalist in the field of science.

2. Not all ‘fundamentalists’ are the same

One cannot paint all fundamentalists with the same brush. One cannot categorize all fundamentalists as either good or bad. Such a categorization of any fund amentalist will depend upon the field or activity in which he is a fundamentalist. A fundamentalist robber or thief causes harm to society and is therefore undesirable. A fundamentalist doctor, on the other hand, benefits society and earns much respect.

3. I am proud to be a Muslim fundamentalist

I am a fundamentalist Muslim who, by the grace of Allah, knows, follows and strives to practise the fundamentals of Islam. A true Muslim does not shy away from being a fundamentalist. I am proud to be a fundamentalist Muslim because, I know that the fundamentals of Islam are beneficial to humanity and the whole world. There is not a single fundamental of Islam that causes harm or is against the interests of the human race as a whole. Many people harbour misconceptions about Islam and consider several teachings of Islam to be unfair or improper. This is due to insufficient and incorrect knowledge of Islam. If one critically analyzes the teachings of Islam with an open mind, one cannot escape the fact that Islam is full of benefits both at the individual and collective levels.

4. Dictionary meaning of the word ‘fundamentalist’

According to Webster’s dictionary ‘fundamentalism’ was a movement in American Protestanism that arose in the earlier part of the 20th century. It was a reaction to modernism, and stressed the infallibility of the Bible, not only in matters of faith and morals but also as a literal historical record. It stressed on belief in the Bible as the literal word of God. Thus fundamentalism was a word initially used for a group of Christians who believed that the Bible was the verbatim word of God without any errors and mistakes.

According to the Oxford dictionary ‘fundamentalism’ means ‘strict maintenance of ancient or fundamental doctrines of any religion, especially Islam’.

Today the moment a person uses the word fundamentalist he thinks of a Muslim who is a terrorist.

5. Every Muslim should be a terrorist

Every Muslim should be a terrorist. A terrorist is a person who causes terror. The moment a robber sees a policeman he is terrified. A policeman is a terrorist for the robber. Similarly every Muslim should be a terrorist for the antisocial elements of society, such as thieves, dacoits and rapists. Whenever such an anti-social element sees a Muslim, he should be terrified. It is true that the word ‘terrorist’ is generally used for a person who causes terror among the common people. But a true Muslim should only be a terrorist to selective people i.e. anti-social elements, and not to the common innocent people. In fact a Muslim should be a source of peace for innocent people.

6. Different labels given to the same individual for the same action, i.e. ‘terrorist’ and ‘patriot’

Before India achieved independence from British rule, some freedom fighters of India who did not subscribe to non-violence were labeled as terrorists by the British government. The same individuals have been lauded by Indians for the same activities and hailed as ‘patriots’. Thus two different labels have been given to the same people for the same set of actions. One is calling him a terrorist while the other is calling him a patriot. Those who believed that Britain had a right to rule over India called these people terrorists, while those who were of the view that Britain had no right to rule India called them patriots and freedom fighters.

It is therefore important that before a person is judged, he is given a fair hearing. Both sides of the argument should be heard, the situation should be analyzed, and the reason and the in