Ramadan and Rosh Hashanah
The Jewish High Holy Days and the first part of Ramadan overlap this year, a good opportunity to reflect on the relationship between Jews and Muslims.
A central problem with the Jewish-Muslim divide is that current events – namely, the grinding half-century long conflict in the Middle East – is the lens through which many people view both the past and the future. In other words, they think Jews and Muslims were always in conflict and will always be.
But as Zachary Karabell writes in his recent book, Peace Be Upon You: “History is a vast canvas, where it is possible to find support for nearly every belief, every statement about human nature, and every possible outcome of the present … If we emphasize hate, scorn, war, and conquest, we are unlikely to perceive that any other path is viable.”
It is precisely because Maria Rosa Menocal emphasizes shared beauty in Jewish-Muslim history that I love her book, The Ornament of the World:
“When one walks past synagogues on the Upper West Side of New York City, buildings created by devout German Jews in the nineteenth century, one notices their clear and intentional allusions to mosques.”
Menocal’s book is about medieval Andalusia, a chapter too often left out of our history books: “It was there that the profoundly Arabized Jews rediscovered and reinvented Hebrew; there that Christians embraced nearly every aspect of Arabic style … there that men of unshakable faith, like Abelard and Maimonides and Averroes, saw no contradiction in pursuing truth, whether philosophical or scientific or religious, across confessional lines.”
Next week, I will write about some of the disturbing signs regarding Jewish-Muslim relations in America. But for now, at the beginning of two of the holiest times in Judaism and Islam, I want to leave you with the image of a bridge across this particular faith divide with this image here.
By
Eboo Patel
|
September 14, 2007; 11:46 AM ET
| Category:
The Faith Divide
Share: Email a Friend |
Technorati
| Del.icio.us | Digg | Facebook
Previous: Ramadan and Remembrance |
Next: Middle East Divide Reaches Middle America
Posted by: troceroloorc | January 19, 2008 8:22 AM
Report Offensive Comment
sitcnarelcod
Posted by: troceroloorc | January 19, 2008 8:21 AM
Report Offensive Comment
darolot
Posted by: cnobaschira | January 19, 2008 8:19 AM
Report Offensive Comment
elbasrelroge
Posted by: chioumonre | January 19, 2008 8:15 AM
Report Offensive Comment
tracellipasr
Posted by: domelelch | January 19, 2008 8:06 AM
Report Offensive Comment
tracellipasr
Posted by: domelelch | January 19, 2008 8:04 AM
Report Offensive Comment
tracellipasr
Posted by: domelelch | January 19, 2008 8:03 AM
Report Offensive Comment
tracellipasr
Posted by: domelelch | January 19, 2008 8:03 AM
Report Offensive Comment
liolocmonrel
Posted by: acououd | January 19, 2008 8:03 AM
Report Offensive Comment
liolocmonrel
Posted by: acououd | January 19, 2008 8:02 AM
Report Offensive Comment
liolocmonrel
Posted by: acououd | January 19, 2008 8:01 AM
Report Offensive Comment
eltvar
Posted by: sitracdro | January 19, 2008 8:00 AM
Report Offensive Comment
eltvar
Posted by: sitracdro | January 19, 2008 7:59 AM
Report Offensive Comment
eltvar
Posted by: sitracdro | January 19, 2008 7:59 AM
Report Offensive Comment
algetpas
Posted by: zeloroutaol | January 19, 2008 7:57 AM
Report Offensive Comment
algetpas
Posted by: zeloroutaol | January 19, 2008 7:57 AM
Report Offensive Comment
algetpas
Posted by: zeloroutaol | January 19, 2008 7:56 AM
Report Offensive Comment
racdel
Posted by: getlig | December 28, 2007 5:28 PM
Report Offensive Comment
relbascol
Posted by: cbaslac4 | December 28, 2007 5:27 PM
Report Offensive Comment
relbascol
Posted by: cbaslac4 | December 28, 2007 5:26 PM
Report Offensive Comment
monbasra
Posted by: c4teltacelm | December 28, 2007 5:24 PM
Report Offensive Comment
monbasra
Posted by: c4teltacelm | December 28, 2007 5:24 PM
Report Offensive Comment
monbasra
Posted by: c4teltacelm | December 28, 2007 5:23 PM
Report Offensive Comment
cnadomeltzel
Posted by: relrac | December 28, 2007 5:22 PM
Report Offensive Comment
cnadomeltzel
Posted by: relrac | December 28, 2007 5:21 PM
Report Offensive Comment
ouchidron
Posted by: nogetletoact | December 28, 2007 5:13 PM
Report Offensive Comment
lielriceltda
Posted by: couela | November 1, 2007 11:19 PM
Report Offensive Comment
lielriceltda
Posted by: couela | November 1, 2007 11:18 PM
Report Offensive Comment
lielriceltda
Posted by: couela | November 1, 2007 11:18 PM
Report Offensive Comment
lielriceltda
Posted by: couela | November 1, 2007 11:17 PM
Report Offensive Comment
lielriceltda
Posted by: couela | November 1, 2007 11:16 PM
Report Offensive Comment
Dear Humans,
Can you show me the word Judaism in the OT?
Can you show me the word Christianity in the OT/NT?
Why follow a religion whose name is absent from its own holly text?!
There is only one true religion: Islam.
Just follow the Holly Bible and it will show you the way.
Go back to the original text (bypassing the Evangelists!)
Here is my proof:
See Verse 16 in Ch 5 of Song of Songs at this location
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt3005.htm
Look at the Hebrew text. You will see the Name Mohammad (מַחֲמַדִּים) there! Just remove the "i" (י) and "m" (ם) used for making a noun plural.
follow מַחֲמַד !!!
Posted by: Shlomo | October 5, 2007 5:34 PM
Report Offensive Comment
I Am speechless!!!!
Jewish Racism towards Non-Jews as expressed in the Talmud
"The modern Jew is the product of the Talmud..."
"Babylonian Talmud", published by the Boston Talmud Society, p. XII
The Jews refer to the remainder of Earths inhabitants, the non-Jewish peoples, as "Gentiles", "Goyim". Let's see what the Jewish Talmud teaches the Jews concerning the non-Jewish majority, i.e. those who are not part of Jahve's "Chosen People":
"The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They are beasts."
Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b
"The Akum (non-Jew) is like a dog. Yes, the scripture teaches to honor the the dog more than the non-Jew."
Ereget Raschi Erod. 22 30
"Even though God created the non-Jew they are still animals in human form. It is not becoming for a Jew to be served by an animal. Therfore he will be served by animals in human form."
Midrasch Talpioth, p. 255, Warsaw 1855
"A pregnant non-Jew is no better than a pregnant animal."
Coschen hamischpat 405
"The souls of non-Jews come from impure sprits and are called pigs."
Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b
"Although the non-Jew has the same body structure as the Jew, they compare with the Jew like a monkey to a human."
Schene luchoth haberith, p. 250 b
"If you eat with a Gentile, it is the same as eating with a dog."
Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b
"If a Jew has a non-Jewish servant or maid who dies, one should not express sympathy to the Jew. You should tell the Jew: "God will replace 'your loss', just as if one of his oxen or asses had died"."
Jore dea 377, 1
"Sexual intercourse between Gentiles is like intercourse between animals."
Talmud Sanhedrin 74b
"It is permitted to take the body and the life of a Gentile."
Sepher ikkarim III c 25
"It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah."
Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5
"A heretic Gentile you may kill outright with your own hands."
Talmud, Abodah Zara, 4b
"Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the same as making a sacrifice to God."
Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772
Posted by: Shlomo | October 5, 2007 5:33 PM
Report Offensive Comment
jahudite-
it was the muslims of the ottoman empire who invited the jewish people refuge fromt the inqisition peretrated by the christians.
jewish people prospered in turkey, many attaining high political offices.
the result of that rescue became the foundation of the SABETAISTS- the group of jewish people who pretend to be muslims, even praying in the mosques
and secretly worshipping judaism.
Ataturk was a sabetaist, and he also tried (and failed ) to eradicate all things islam form turkey.
do a simple google and youll see this is undisputed.
Posted by: VICTORIA | September 20, 2007 4:17 PM
Report Offensive Comment
Like Ms. Menocal and Mr. Patel, many today in and out of Spain are praising the harmony of the three cultures, Muslim, Jewish and Christian, that cohabitated in the Iberian Peninsula for a number of centuries under Muslim and/or Christian rule. The moral of that story, they wishfully claim, is that we should learn from that past to built a better future.
While there is ample evidence that Jews in the Iberian Peninsula in medieval times fared far better than their counterparts further North, living under contemporary Christian rulers, I remain skeptical about these romantic claims of a harmonious, peaceful and painless coexistence and the lessons to be taken from that period. One fact that Ms. Menocal and Mr. Patel (like –incomprehensibly- so many others) choose to ignore speaks volumes.
As Ms. Menocal points out, Rabbi Moshe ben Maimon (in Hebrew) or Abu Imran Mussa bin Maimun ibn Abdallah al-Qurtubi al-Israili (in Arabic), also known as Maimonides or simply as The Rambam, was born in the Iberian Peninsula, in the beautiful city of Córdoba, then under Muslim rule. But in 1148 at the age of 12, following Muslim persecution of the Jews, he had to flee his home and native town and eventually the Peninsula in order to save his life or face conversion and the loss of his Jewish ethnicity. He died in 1204 in Egypt, also under Muslim rule, in exile from his native home.
Selective revisionism of our pass, even if for a good cause, can hardly be the right way to inform our present and built a better future.
Posted by: Raquel Noriega | September 19, 2007 1:13 PM
Report Offensive Comment
Asim
Regarding the hadiths by Muwatta about stoning ad slave girl, here is the link managed by University of Southern California. You can search it for slave-girl, stoning, fair complexion etc.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muwatta/
Posted by: Ted Baines | September 18, 2007 6:31 AM
Report Offensive Comment
Asim
Regarding the hadiths by Muwatta about stoning ad slave girl, here is the link managed by University of Southern California. You can search it for slave-girl, stoning, fair complexion etc.
Posted by: Ted Baines | September 18, 2007 6:28 AM
Report Offensive Comment
Candide,
You suggested that Jews become Muslims as a way to end the mid east conflict.
why should regress by associating the pedophile Muhammad and his evil creation, Allah with the True God?
Instead if Muslims became Christians they would find salvation as they would no longer be insulting God five time a day.
Posted by: Ted Baines | September 18, 2007 6:25 AM
Report Offensive Comment
Judaism and Islam have very different views of human beings. A basic philosophical division is that to Muslim, prophets are infallible, while in Judaism the viewpoint is that no person, no matter how righteous, has never committed a sin. Therefore, Torah specifically points out sins made by prophets, no matter how minor they were, even if the sin is one of unjustified anger. Only G-d to us doesn't sin.
The laws G-d requires of us are different than those of Muslims. Islam would be classified under the Noahide laws.
Posted by: Jahudite | September 17, 2007 4:55 PM
Report Offensive Comment
Judaism and Islam have very different views of human beings. A basic philosophical division is that to Muslim, prophets are infallible, while in Judaism the viewpoint is that no person, no matter how righteous, has never committed a sin. Therefore, Torah specifically points out sins made by prophets, no matter how minor they were, even if the sin is one of unjustified anger. Only G-d to us doesn't sin.
The laws G-d requires of us are different than those of Muslims. Islam would be classified under the Noahide laws.
Posted by: Jahudite | September 17, 2007 4:54 PM
Report Offensive Comment
Kim, the heart of Islam is the mans hand holding that human being up while they shovel dirt around his body to hold him erect for the stones. What is the significance of the mentality of Islam that they cover the head of the man to be stoned? Even they can't look him in the eye as they rage against him. Its almost sport of the ugliest kind. Act one in their arena was that, act two is beheadings. Act three is tearing a human being limb from limb as they wanted to do that Christian in Afganistan, but then civilization rebuked them and they stopped.
Posted by: JD | September 17, 2007 2:39 PM
Report Offensive Comment
Asim, WHY won't you answer my question. It is a question YOU should be able to answer, more so than the non believers could ever hope to.
Asim, do you believe that when a man and a woman join in covenant marriage they are no long two but one?
Posted by: JD | September 17, 2007 2:23 PM
Report Offensive Comment
You know, Islam and Judaism are so close that it would be a solution to the whole problem if Jews would simply convert to Islam. I don't say this as a pro-Islamic believer but I do see it as a way to peace. What would Jews lose? Only their sense of chosenness, something which has only brought them hatred and grief. They would have no Trinity to worry about, they could honor Jesus as a prophet without thinking he was God.
Posted by: candide | September 17, 2007 10:46 AM
Report Offensive Comment
The relationship between Islam and Judaism and Christianity was not as friendly as I often read about .
Non believers in Islam, "infidels" all labored under Dhimmi status. Dhimmi status in Muslim culture is far lower than the staus of a Muslim.
Christians and Jews had to pay additonal taxes. When walking in the street their shadows were not allowed to cross the shadow of a Muslim and they were forced to get off any sidewalk that existed to allow the Muslim to pass.
Jews had to wear two different colored shoes and a lead weight aroung their necks.
There were some periods when all 3 faiths co-operated in the Sciences and Philosophy and so on.
Suliman the Great even had Maimonidies, a major Jewish personality, as his personal physician. In the end however he had him killed on trumped up charges to satify the rest of his Court.
So, yes there was a period of co-operation in some parts of the islamic empire, but, by no means a common occurence.
Posted by: Sidney Emme | September 17, 2007 9:43 AM
Report Offensive Comment
The relationship between Islam and Judaism and Christianity was not as friendly as I often read about .
Non believers in Islam, "infidels" all labored under Dhimmi status. Dhimmi status in Muslim culture is far lower than the staus of a Muslim.
Christians and Jews had to pay additonal taxes. When walking in the street their shadows were not allowed to cross the shadow of a Muslim and they were forced to get off any sidewalk that existed to allow the Muslim to pass.
Jews had to wear two different colored shoes and a lead weight aroung their necks.
There were some periods when all 3 faiths co-operated in the Sciences and Philosophy and so on.
Suliman the Great even had Maimonidies, a major Jewish personality, as his personal physician. In the end however he had him killed on trumped up charges to satify the rest of his Court.
So, yes there was a period of co-operation in some parts of the islamic empire, but, by no means a common occurence.
Posted by: Sidney Emme | September 17, 2007 9:43 AM
Report Offensive Comment
The relationship between Islam and Judaism and Christianity was not as friendly as I often read about .
Non believers in Islam, "infidels" all labored under Dhimmi status. Dhimmi status in Muslim culture is far lower than the staus of a Muslim.
Christians and Jews had to pay additonal taxes. When walking in the street their shadows were not allowed to cross the shadow of a Muslim and they were forced to get off any sidewalk that existed to allow the Muslim to pass.
Jews had to wear two different colored shoes and a lead weight aroung their necks.
There were some periods when all 3 faiths co-operated in the Sciences and Philosophy and so on.
Suliman the Great even had Maimonidies, a major Jewish personality, as his personal physician. In the end however he had him killed on trumped up charges to satify the rest of his Court.
So, yes there was a period of co-operation in some parts of the islamic empire, but, by no means a common occurence.
Posted by: Sidney Emme | September 17, 2007 9:42 AM
Report Offensive Comment
Muslims and Jews have really never gotten along... I think that the author of the article is confusing the words "Jews" and "dhimmi," a rather important distinction.
Posted by: Joshua | September 17, 2007 9:34 AM
Report Offensive Comment
The dogs are out en masse parking loudly-because the truth hurts them;I stand fully by my post,every single word in it because it is a statement of fact.
Ted:you are trying really hard to look like an expert on Islam by your cut/paste lies-name calling will never get you any where-Islam is fastest growing faith in America and in the world.
I here some of you empty heads talk about stoning which was started and abused by the jews until prophet Jesus the son of Mary pbuh stopped it;Islam on the other hand put severe restraints on stoning:four qualified witnesses of unquestionable integrity are required to have seen physically the act of adultry before a judge cam pronounce a sentence-which is a rare occurance and is in fact irrelvant especially that stoning is practically an impossibility now days as in the old days.Stoning was meant as a deterent-so if Ted Baines who sounds jewish is a chaste person,then he should not be worried about enforcing jewish law to stone him. Besides why fabricate lies that are supposed to have happened 15 centuries ago-except for hatred of the final and unequivocal truth:Islam.Such cheap smear campaigns never hurt Islam:the jews did during the time of the Prophet to no avail and only resulted in eradicating them form all of Arabian peninsula for their treacharous behavior.
SO Ted if you are so symthatic with Muslims why not ask your jewish cousins to clsoe the concentration camps full of tortured palestinian women and children in the West Bank,Gaza and the rest of palestine?
Stoning originated in the jewish laws.
JD,"Israel" the racist aparthied jewish theocarcy is an absolute Evil-and as we have seen since its anomoulous creation sixty years ago,only evil came out of it;sooner or later and like South Africa,the racist jewish theocracy will disappear.
Posted by: Asim | September 17, 2007 9:03 AM
Report Offensive Comment
http://www.gojerusalem.com/articles.aspx?articleid=249
Parallels between Rosh Hashana and Ramadan in Jerusalem, the Holy City
Posted by: Alan Abbey | September 17, 2007 7:44 AM
Report Offensive Comment
A similar discussion was running on another thread on this forum:
PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS VID CONTAINS GRAPHIC SCENES OF EXTREME VIOLENCE WHERE AN APOSTATE MAN WAS PUT IN A HOLE AND HAD HIS HEAD STONED TO DEATH IN FRONT OF HUNDREDS OF SPECTATORS IN IRAN IN 1994.
Many hadith, including Sahih Bukhari give proof that Stoning was ordered and practiced by Muhammed.
And it is still practiced by Muslims under Shari'a.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybZ1YLYfYVI
ISLAMIC STONING OF APOSTATE IN IRAN
Its found here:
Posted by: kim | September 17, 2007 6:56 AM
Report Offensive Comment
Here is another gem about stoning.
Book 41, Number 41.1.5:
Malik related to me from Yaqub ibn Zayd ibn Talha from his father Zayd ibn Talha that Abdullah ibn Abi Mulayka informed him that a woman came to the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and informed him that she had committed adultery and was pregnant.
The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said to her, "Go away until you give birth."
When she had given birth, she came to him. The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said to her, "Go away until you have suckled and weaned the baby."
When she had weaned the baby, she came to him. He said, "Go and entrust the baby to someone."
She entrusted the baby to someone and then came to him.
He gave the order and she was stoned.
Posted by: Ted Baines | September 17, 2007 6:40 AM
Report Offensive Comment
This hadith is about stoning.
Book 41, Number 41.1.6:
Malik related to me from Ibn Shihab from Ubaydullah ibn Abdullah ibn Utba ibn Masud that Abu Hurayra and Zayd ibn Khalid al-Juhani informed him that two men brought a dispute to the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace. One of them said, "Messenger of Allah! Judge between us by the Book of Allah!" The other said, and he was the wiser of the two, "Yes, Messenger of Allah. Judge between us by the Book of Allah and give me permission to speak." He said, "Speak." He said, "My son was hired by this person and he committed fornication with his wife. He told me that my son deserved stoning, and I ransomed him for one hundred sheep and a slave-girl. Then I asked the people of knowledge and they told me that my son deserved to be flogged with one hundred lashes and exiled for a year, and they informed me that the woman deserved to be stoned." The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "By him in whose Hand myself is, I will judge between you by the Book of Allah. As for your sheep and slave girl, they should be returned to you. Your son should have one hundred lashes and be exiled for a year." He ordered Unays al-Aslami to go to the wife of the other man and to stone her if she confessed . She confessed and he stoned her.
Posted by: Ted Baines | September 17, 2007 6:36 AM
Report Offensive Comment
The following hadith from Muwatta proves Muhammad's character-- a slave monger and a racist. The price of a slave girl is fifty dinars and that of a free Muslim women 500 dinars. What more proof does Asim need to get him to admit that Islam is an evil faith founded by an evil man.
Book 43, Number 43.7.6:
Yahya related to me from Malik from Ibn Shihab from Said ibn al-Musayyab that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, gave a judgement that the compensation for a foetus killed in its mother's womb was a slave or slave-girl of fair complexion and excellence.
The one against whom the judgement was given said, "Why should I pay damages for that which did not drink or eat or speak or make any cry. The like of that is nothing."
The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "This is only one of the brothers of the diviners." He disapproved of the rhyming speech of the man's declaration.
Yahya related to me from Malik that Rabia ibn Abi Abd ar-Rahman said, "The slave of fair complexion and excellence is estimated at fifty dinars or six hundred dirhams. The blood-money of a free muslim woman is five hundred dinars or six thousand dirhams."
Malik said, "The blood-money of the foetus of a free woman is a tenth of her blood-money. The tenth is fifty dinars or six hundred dirhams."
Malik said, "I have not heard anyone dispute that there is no slave in compensation for the foetus until it leaves its mother's womb and falls still-born from her womb . "
Malik said, "I heard that if the foetus comes out of its mother's womb alive and then dies, the full blood-money is due for it."
Malik said, "The foetus is not alive unless it cries at birth. If it comes out of its mother's womb and cries out and then dies, the complete blood-money is due for it. We think that the slave-girl's foetus has a tenth of the price of the slave-girl."
Malik said, "When a woman murders a man or woman, and the murderess is pregnant, retaliation is not taken against her until she has given birth. If a woman who is pregnant is killed intentionally or unintentionally, the one who killed her is not obliged to pay anything for her foetus. If she is murdered, then the one who killed her is killed and there is no blood-money for her foetus. If she is killed accidentally, the tribe obliged to pay on behalf of her killer pays her blood-money, and there is no blood-money for the foetus."
Yahya related to me, "Malik was asked about the foetus of the christian or jewish woman which was aborted. He said, 'I think that there is a tenth of the blood-money of the mother for it.' "
Posted by: Ted Baines | September 17, 2007 6:28 AM
Report Offensive Comment
Muslims should give back half of Saudi Arabia, that the prophet of Islam stole from them, back to the Jews. In process he murdered thousands of Jews and sold their widows and orphans into slavery, pocketing 20% as commission. Jews have always been in Islrael. there are no Arab books of the same vintage as Jewish books that testify that Muslims or Arabs lived in Israel.
In fact all Muslims should leave Israel, Gaza and the West Bank OR they should leave Islam.
Posted by: Ted Baines | September 17, 2007 6:02 AM
Report Offensive Comment
Asim, I have compassion for you. You have been duped.
You said, "God orderd Abraham to mary Hager because Sarah was sterile..."
So your saying the God you believe in is not capable of miracles? Did not God speak the universe out of nothing and dry land out of water? Or is the God of the Quran a man who needs help?
I knew you didn't believe when a man and woman make a covenant marriage it was binding. Why would God lie? Is the God of the Quran like a man who lies? You HAVE to destroy the covenant marriage between Abram and Sara, you HAVE to make God like a man for your belief system to be valid, to justify the foundation of your religion! Your belief system is no better than the Mormons who believe God had a father and mother and grandfathers and grandmothers adnauseum. Is the creative power of your God on used for death and your reward virgins?
(An interesting side note, Catholic women wear burkas and Muslim women wear burkas. Funny how men don't mind Catholic women wearing burkas but they do Muslim women! THAT is a fulfilment of Jewish Torah Law!)
No Asim, Salvation comes from the Jews. The LORD Jesus was a Jew. I am a Jew IN Him. Some day you will bow at His feet (without compulsion) and proclaim Jesus IS Lord of ALL who call themselves lord and King of ALL who call themselves king. But I pray you will not die without Wisdom.
Posted by: JD | September 17, 2007 4:27 AM
Report Offensive Comment
Asim,
As with all "liberal" Muslims, you feed off the flaws of others instead of correcting the flaws in Islam e.g. a "pretty wingie talking flying fictional thing" communicating with a warmongering, womanizing, holey not holy hallucinating Arab named Mohammed and scibes hired by said crazy person to plagiarize the good books of the ancients.
Rewrite the koran to correct these flaws and get back to us!!!!!
Posted by: Concerned the Christian Now Liberated | September 17, 2007 12:15 AM
Report Offensive Comment
JD,
As per National Geographic, Palestine was originally settled by hominids from Africa followed by Canaanites and Philistines. We should give it back to the chimps who created said original hominids.
For $99.99, anyone living today can find out what chimp base they came from.
https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/
Posted by: Concerned the Christian Now Liberated | September 17, 2007 12:06 AM
Report Offensive Comment
JD,
As per National Geographic, Palestine was originally settled by homonids from Africa followed by Canaanites and Philistines. We should give it back to the chimps who created said original hominids.
For $99.99, anyone living today can find out what chimp base they came from.
https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/
Posted by: Concerned the Christian Now Liberated | September 17, 2007 12:05 AM
Report Offensive Comment
JD,
As per National Geographic, Palestine was originally settled by homonids from Africa followed by Canaanites and Philistines. We should give it back to the chimps who created said original homoinids.
For $99.99, anyone living today can find out what chimp base they came from.
https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/
Posted by: Concerned the Christian Now Liberated | September 17, 2007 12:04 AM
Report Offensive Comment
Ted Baines,
U got the wrong address:its Israel the apartheid racist jewish theocracy that ethnically cleansed millions of palestininas out their historic homeland of Palestine-sixty years later and still live in refugee camps-not Saudi Arabia;
Saudi Arabia should allow jews into Mecca as soon as the jewish racist theocracy of israel implements UN 194 of 1947 and allows back the ethnically cleansed millions of palestinian refugees to their home land in all of Palestine: in Jerusalem which was built by their Cananite ancestors long before there were jews on this earth-and to Haifa,Jaffa,Tel Aviv and the 530 five hundred and thirty palestinian villages destroyed by the zionist state in 1947 to prevent their return.
You repeat this about Saudi Arabia evry time to distract from israels apartheid jewish theocracy-why the hell does a jew want to go to Mecca any way?? Cheap shot.
Posted by: Asim | September 16, 2007 10:49 PM
Report Offensive Comment
JD..etc.
11// The Holy Quran is the final,whole and absolute truth and the benchmark for all truth and for pure monothiesm;your torah has some truth because, like the gospels,have been doctored and corrupted by self serving clergy;so why should the authentic Quran need to immitate your corrupted scrpitures? Is it to go astray like you? If your torah was not corrupted,why then do the jews deny Jesus and Muhammad? Islam was the faith of Abraham, Moses and Jesus and Muslims belive in them and in their original scrpitures before they were doctored and altered.
22/// Abraham's first wife was Hager and Ishamel was his oldest son-and God orderd Abraham to mary Hager because Sarah was sterile but the clanush jewish clregy altered this fact and corrupted the torah-God is not racist to treat the Egyption saint woman Hager as a slave or as a serveant-it's the jewish clergy's doctoring of the scripture-otherwise jews would have belived in Jesus and Muhammad.
33/// Muhammad pbuh was born from the line of Ishamel and specifically from the noblest Arab house of Adnan in full day light of history-as Ernest Renan put it-and no one can claim to be more semitic than he was-thou he was always above triblism and came as a mercy to all the human race-the Arabs now make only about 15% of the 1.6 billion Muslims;so recycled claims about anti-semitism are just lies especially as few present day jews can claim to be semities-only jews in Arab countries such as Yemen,Syria and Morocco can claim to be semites.
33/// Now on the treacherous jewish tribe of Banu Qurayezah:During the reign of the Prophet in the city/state of Medina early 7th century, every one was a full citizen with full civic and religious rights: the new Muslims, Christians, the Jews and the Pagans of Arabia. The Quran states unequivocally that” No Compulsion in Religion).The Prophet who just established the first Islamic city/state in Medina, had signed a treaty with-among others-the Jewish tribe of Banu Qurizah-to defend the new state and where the treaty stipulated that the members of this tribe being citizens of the new Islamic city-state agreed never to ally themselves with the enemies of the infant Islamic state nor to carry arms against it in exchange for granting them-the Jewish tribe- the aforementioned full citizenship rights including guarantying their protection and security. However the Jewish tribe conspired with enemies of the Islamic state and committed treason, treachery and violated the treaty by joining the enemies of the infant Islamic state.
The Islamic state, lead by the Prophet defatted the aggressors on the battlefield; thereafter the Prophet and the leaders of the Jewish tribe mutually agreed to appointing an acceptable and neutral arbitrator/Judge to rule on the violation of the treaty which the Jewish tribe violated and the Judge ruled that the Jewish tribe was guilty of both joint military aggression with the enemies of the infant Islamic state as well as treason thru violating the treaty that was signed with the Prophet as they were citizen of the Islamic state. The judge ordered the death penalty to be carried out against the treacherous members of the tribe who committed treason and aggression-as any state would do in self-defense even by modern standards of international law. The numbers of those deserving the death penalty is both exaggerated and fabricated by Jews as usual.
A US citizen, Jonthan Polard committted treason against the US by spying for Israel-where his true loyalty lies-by stealing higly sensitive military info and passing it on to Israel-the loyal strategic ally of the US!!!-and he is now rotting in prison.Were it not for AIPAC/jewish influnce, he would have already been excuted for his treason-as any where in the world.
So don't repeat your lies again on this forum under a new name:your lies are now in the open.
Posted by: Asim | September 16, 2007 10:32 PM
Report Offensive Comment
Yes during certain periods Islamic Spain was a multicultural society. However, Menocal points that with the conquest by the Almoravids and then the Almohads, this period ended. Their regimes banned Judaism. Jewish residents of Islamic Spain moved to the Christian north. According to Menocal, when Granada was conquered by Ferdinand and Isabella, there wasn't even one Jewish family living Granada.
Posted by: Jahudite | September 16, 2007 8:31 PM
Report Offensive Comment
Asim.
Eboo is a shill. Let him work.
Posted by: Anonymous | September 16, 2007 8:16 PM
Report Offensive Comment
Asim, the whole muslim belief system is based on a falacy! The Jewish Torah was written LONG before Muhammad was a twinkle in Ishmael's imagination. God said out of Abrahams body the Promise Child would come. Nothing about the firstborn. Sarah was Abraham's body not his mistress Hagar. Why do you people SO believe a lie? The Quran and the Islamic religion is a lie and a pathetic imitation of Judaism, just as the Mormon religion is a pathetic imitation of Christianity. Study the real thing and you will see the phoney Asim.
BTW, do you believe that when a man and a woman join in covenant marriage they are no long two but one?
Posted by: JD | September 16, 2007 7:14 PM
Report Offensive Comment
The conflict in Palestine is purely political and over occupation of land:indigenous Palestinian Arabs resisting a colonial settler racist exclusivist apartheid jewish theocracy and its brutal 60-year old military occupation of all of historic Arab Palestine-which the jewish racist state turned into a big concentration camp to torture,starve and drive the palestinians into despair.
No people,faith or culture tolerated and accomodated jews like Muslims did throughout history;the golden age of jews was in Muslim Spain and before and after the Inquistion,only Muslim lands accomdated jews.The jews however bit the hand that fed them:they devoured all of Arab Palestine.
The Inquistion and the Holocaust occured in Christian Europe and not in Muslim lands.Now a holocaust is taking place in Palestine:by the very people who claim to be surviors of the holocaust!!!
Posted by: Asim | September 16, 2007 6:58 PM
Report Offensive Comment
Ebo,
With mostly an idiotic and profoundly ignorant audience such as we see here-cut/paste robots-why do you bother to write and to build bridges of peace and harmony? The great sage and companion of the Prophet Ali Ibn Abi Taleb once said:"I never debated with a learned and intelligent person and lost;but I always lost all debates with the ignorant."
Posted by: Asim | September 16, 2007 6:43 PM
Report Offensive Comment
Concerned the Christian Now Liberated, you were there?
Posted by: JD | September 16, 2007 6:07 PM
Report Offensive Comment
Eboo, COME ON! The Catholics are not representative of Christians! Please clarify your statements. The Jewish people are THE people of God WHICH includes born again Christians NOT Catholics. I am sick and tired of unlearned religious defining what is and is not Christianity. Now as far as your interpretation of Islam, the blown to bits bodies are doing a pretty good job of defining that, along with their hatred of everything Israel. YOU can never sugercoat that.
Posted by: JD | September 15, 2007 12:59 PM
Report Offensive Comment
Here's some of Muhammed most famous anti-semitic and calls for genocide against Jews quotes:
Tabari VIII:29 "The Holy Prophet (peace be unto him) said, 'No one should pray the afternoon prayer until they are in the territory of the Qurayza because warfare against the Jews is incumbent upon Muslims.' Tabari VIII:28 "When the Messenger approached the Jews, he said, 'You brothers of apes! Allah shamed you and cursed you.'"
Posted by: carcker | September 15, 2007 5:47 AM
Report Offensive Comment
asalamu caleykum iam mahad muse and i am in america and i want to send this messege to shiiq xudeyfa sheq i wana now is it ok to took e bath in ramaan
Posted by: mahadmuse | September 14, 2007 5:19 PM
Report Offensive Comment
Mr. Patel
You have been asked to condemn the Islamic apartheid that is practised in Saudi Arabia which all Muslims ignore. You have not responded.
Non-Muslims are denied enntry into Mecca and Medina and may not publicly worship anywhere in Saudi Arabia.
Muslims can send a strong message condemning this apartheid by boycotting the hajj until such time as Saudi Arabia allows free worship for all and the building of churches and other non-Muslim places of worship in all parts of Arabia.
The money currently being wasted could be spent instead on educating young Muslims.
I am looking to you to give the lead.
Posted by: Ted Baines | September 14, 2007 4:09 PM
Report Offensive Comment
Our Jewish brothers and sisters claim historical sovereignity over Palestine. Ditto for the Muslims.
Both are wrong. The land was originally settled by homonids from Africa followed by Canaanites and Philistines. We should give it back to the chimps who created said original homoinids.
Posted by: Concerned the Christian Now Liberated | September 14, 2007 3:32 PM
Report Offensive Comment
Eboo Patel,
Comment Spam in your Commentary? You've fallen to a new low. In the future -stifle the propaganda and peddle your favored DVDs elsewhere..
Posted by: spam detector | September 14, 2007 1:33 PM
Report Offensive Comment
The comments to this entry are closed.












sitcnarelcod