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Until brown clay is crammed down my larynx,
only gratitude will be gushing from it.

As a Palestinian, the only gratitude from my larynx will be for the one who does not fail me, our creator, Allah.

islam and mickey mouse:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peFQWuk4nuo&mode=related&search=

and immans in the mosques in the west - preaching love the islamic way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZEGsnWZKh8

Faithfully Liberal has an interview with Eboo at the url below:
http://www.faithfullyliberal.com/?p=430

So, Jihadist, what your saying is that you think that large numbers of people believe that Narnia, Spider-Man, Lord of the Rings Trilogies, X-Men Trilogies, Star Wars series, Matrix Trilogies are actually true and then base their lives around those beliefs?

And the poll votes continue to be counted. With over 50% of the poll completed, "Mohammed the Great Hallucinator of Pretty Wingie Talking Thingies" continues to be the choice description of Islam's founder.

Other descriptions are welcomed from On Faith contributors.

Recommended descriptions are:

1. Mohammed the Great Hallucinator Of Mythical Wingie Thingies?

2. Mohammed the Great Prophet?

3. Mohammed the Great Profiteer?

4. Mohammed the Lover of Many Women Young and Not So Young?

5. Mohammed the Man of Many Myths?

6. Too much Time in the Sun, Mohammed?

7. Mohammed, Man Made by Many Militant Scribes

The poll will remain open for another week. Enter today to win a chance for a free trip to Eboo's Islamic Fairy Land.

Hello Concerned :)

Always a pleasure to get into a silly spit for spat with you for public revulsion or entertainment, depending on taste of course. I am always entertained. Ummmmm...small time cheap thrills of course.

Fairies? Read Hans Christian Andersen. And Lord of the Rings.

Tinker bell? Where's Peter Pan?

Pretty wingie talking thingies" - are you talking about "Angels Over America"? Aids is a killer and I feel sorry for the Mormon mother as son died of aids.

Virgins of the mist - The Arthurian legend? Camelot? Clive Owen is hot. Keira Knightley is pretty.

Flying chariots - Have you been reading Erich Von Daniken's books?

Demons of demented? Never heard of that one unless you are refering to "The Exorcist" movie series.

And thanks for the compliments that Islam is the biggest fairy tale of all. All things to all men:)

Jihadist,

Hmmm, plagiarizing tales is it now?? Christianity and Islam continued the trend. Mormonism extended the practice. Fairies, tinker bells, "pretty wingie talking thingies", virgins of the mist, flying chariots and the "demons of demented" were once but never more. How sad!!!

Hello Paganplace:)

Always a pleasure to read your posts.

Nothing wrong certainly, with new tales. But at least to acknowledge new tales are just that too and not to dismiss the old tales from whence many new tales are plagiarized or adapted from.

1001 Nights/Arabian Nights is still enchanting, as is the Odyssey and Beowolf among other old tales. My kids love all the new tales I've mentioned in my previous post here. Must be the ILM and CGI impact and effect too.

Nothing wrong with new tales, Jihadist. Maybe people wouldn't fight over 'culture' so much if they didn't think it must have *stopped* at some point in the past.

Jihadist,

And the biggest fairy tale of them all?? ISLAM!!!!

Jihadist,

And the biggest fairy tales of them all?? ISLAM!!!!

Anonymous,

"I encourage you all to join me in the 21st century."

There's still war and pestilence. And HIV/AIDS. And environmental degradation. And trafficking in women. And rabib rightist. And foaming at the mounth leftists. And fanatics of every stripes. And coca-colization and McDonaldization of world culture. And bigotry towards minorities. And rape and murder. And the list goes on and on.............

No longer slave to ancient fairy tales?

And yet, movies such as Narnia, Spider-Man, Lord of the Rings Trilogies, X-Men Trilogies, Star Wars series, Matrix Trilogies etc doing well. Modern fairy tales? Replacement fantasies?

We've come a long way?

I'm perfectly happy with my life as I'm no longer a slave to ancient fairy tales.

I encourage you all to join me in the 21st century.

Jihadist,

For the "30% Solution", see http://www.faithfutures.org/Jesus/Crossan2.rtf

And a similar analysis of the Koran would be about the same "30% Solution"??? i.e. no communications from "pretty wingie talky thingies", no prophecies, no militancy, no chariot rides, no plagiarized passages from the OT, NT etc?????

Come to think about it a "30% solution of all the standard religious operating manuals would basically result in one book. Hmmm, lets make it simple and call it The 30% Solution!!! Something to do on your terrorist-free plane rides as you hone your writing and history skills?? Ahhh, the satisfaction of life's travels and staying on topic.

Which reminds me, we are running a poll here in the good old USA as to the proper and satisfactory title for Mohammend (as previously listed). Maybe you could circulate it amongst your Islamic friends during your jungle travels and tabulate the results for us?

1. Mohammed the Great Hallucinator Of Mythical Wingie Thingies?

2. Mohammed the Great Prophet?

3. Mohammed the Great Profiteer?

4. Mohammed the Lover of Many Women Young and Not So Young?

5. Mohammed the Man of Many Myths?

6. Too much Time in the Sun, Mohammed?

7. Mohammed, Man Made by Many Militant Scribes

"Frank Collins :)

You loudly proclaimed : "im back!"

Do you want us to throw flowers at your feet? To thank God that you are our savior and salvation?
I'm confused."

Don't worry, Jihadist... Let's all like pound out a beat and proclaim, "FranK! Aaa! Savior of the universe!"

(with apologies to Queen and Flash Gordon.)

Actually, though, I know *just* what you're talking about, with folks like this apparently unable to fit me into their 'For us Or Against Us' conceptual world.

It's kind of like being the kooky homeless person walking into some gang beatdown, and you're just like, 'Oh, no, carry on, I'm sure whatever he did was really very bad... What? Not so sure now? I'm just looking. Really. By all means, gentle sirs, go ahead."

(Don't try this at home, kids. Just don't tell me how this Jesus guy makes you better if you daren't.)

Kinda how I feel about this 'clash of cultures' thing, all in all, really, though. Seems the only horror none of the combatants can deal with is a reality check or something.

Interesting.

Hello Concerned:)

You have been reading lots of books on Jesus. I'm impressed, for one such as you who is a self-designated 30% believer in the historical or mythical Jesus, whichever it was you wrote in another thread. Imagine that, quantifying belief. How? What parameters, measurements or other scientific determination?

Too, too bad the obesssion on Jesus as Lord or as a man subsume all his message on God, hope, faith charity, love and peace.

I already believe in Jesus as a teacher, leader, reformer, revolutionary and what have you like all Muslims. So, what is the problem?

I get my kicks, my small time cheap thrills here in not giving an inch re what you want Muslims to do on the Al-Quran and on Prophet Muhammad PBUH.

I won't give you that satisfaction and let you to be in a permanent state of quixotic frustration and perpetual discontent. You have a target to meet by the second quarter? :)

Want to go jungle hiking with my family and me? Just give me the word. You'll love the real tigers, elephants, cobras, pythons, apes, bugs, pond scums found in our jungle instead of the faux ones here. It will do you a whole lot of good to get out into the real world instead of being in cyberworld for cybercrusade for the historic Jesus or whatever it is you are propogating by pasting the same posts everywhere in On Faith threads.

Love you passsion and obsession. Can I get you popcorns? I have mango and mangosteen flavours. And Earl Grey tea too to keep you going here.

Meeeooowwwwwwwwwwwww............

Jihadist,

Jesus is not all things for Christians as shown by the historical Jesus Movement and as noted by the following contemporary NT scholars.

From http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

(Note that four of these NT exegetes are members of the On Faith panel)

Jesus the Myth: Heavenly Christ
Earl Doherty
Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy

Jesus the Myth: Man of the Indefinite Past
Alvar Ellegård
G. A. Wells

Jesus the Hellenistic Hero
Gregory Riley

Jesus the Revolutionary
Robert Eisenman

Jesus the Wisdom Sage
John Dominic Crossan
Robert Funk
Burton Mack
Stephen J. Patterson

Jesus the Man of the Spirit
Marcus Borg
Stevan Davies
Geza Vermes

Jesus the Prophet of Social Change
Richard Horsley
Hyam Maccoby
Gerd Theissen

Jesus the Apocalyptic Prophet
Bart Ehrman
Paula Fredriksen
Gerd Lüdemann
John P. Meier
E. P. Sanders

Jesus the Savior
Luke Timothy Johnson
Robert H. Stein
N. T. Wright

Hmmm, what would a historical/realistic review of Mohammed result in??

Mohammed the Great Hallucinator Of Mythical Wingie Thingies?

Mohammed the Great Prophet?

Mohammed the Great Profiteer?

Mohammed the Lover of Many Women?

Mohammed the Man of Many Myths?

Too much Time in the Sun, Mohammed?

Mohammed, Man Made by Many Militant Scribes?

Eboo Patel

Loved your piece as always.

Frank Collins :)

You loudly proclaimed : "im back!"

Do you want us to throw flowers at your feet? To thank God that you are our savior and salvation?
I'm confused.

"Moderate" Muslims Frank? No such thing. It is coined by the west, like "jihadist". Muslims call themselves Muslims, period. "Wahhabis" calls themseleves Muslims. "Liberal" Muslims calls themselves Muslims. Only others labeled them as liberals, moderates, Islamofascists and such.

Those labelled as "moderate" Muslims are devout or pious Muslims who flinched at the extremists in their midsts - be they uncompromising Salafists (called Wahabbis in the west), or the Turkish secularists who would not even allow for a headscarf to be worn, and willing to see their democratic governanance be undermined by a military coup.

But of course, I can't expect you to fully grasp what is really going on in the Muslim world nor is it worth it to engage you in a thoughtful discussion on Islam and Muslims.

You may be back, but you're no Terminator.

Paganplace

Yes, many alarming Suras in the Al-Qur'an for Muslims too, especially in the hands of literalists, extremists, terrorists and opportunists.

Throughout Muslim history, Muslims, even ulemas, do abrogate some Suras and interpret them to suit the caliphs' or sultans' intentions and desires for the state. And lay Muslims do ignore specific Suras, Hadiths, ulemas and Shariah throughout Muslim history.

Like Jesus is all things for Christians, the Al-Qur'an is all things for all Muslims.

If you think the Suras and Hadiths are alarming, you should consider from my perspective - is it alarming to be in a place where both the likes of Frank Collins, Concerned the Christian Now Liberated are on one side; and the Salafists (Wahhabis) as well the the likes of Turkish secularists on the other side?

Yes it is alarming that extremism of all persuasions exists. The thing they all have in common is:

(a) there is two points of views - those that are wrong and their own;

(b) they all want to impose their views; and

(c) they are never moderate in what they believe in and how they present their views.

All in all, they are fanatics and bigots. Muslim bigots and fanatics are easy to identify. Those from the west are trickier. They couch it all in freedom of speech, freedom of beliefs, freedom of expression, enlightenment, human rights and such.

Religious entities and evangelical groups do that too much while doing the opposite or using those rights to impose their own beliefs upon others in state policies.

Matrixism? Cool. A name. Guess that was pretty inevitable. :)

Me, well, 'glad to be alive' is simpler, I'm just glad to be alive, period. Thought sure I was a goner, last time I died. :)

Little reincarnation joke.

Regret having but one life to give for your country no more! Care to sign up again? No? :)

I too am thankful to be alive but it is Matrixism rather than Islam that has brought me to this revelation.

Dude. You sound the same. Don't worry. I'm not buying any of it at all.

The problem here is your insistence that it's universal among certain peoples, and totally absent from your own.

Far as I'm concerned, throw the books out completely and start over with the good stories. But I'm a little biased, there, I suppose. The thing you seem to be *refusing* to do, is allow anyone to say anything that doesn't agree with your perception that scriptures are all there is to them.

What's wrong, do you think you'd say and do all manner of terrible things, yourself, if a book told you to?

Might wanna work on that.

pagan:
you have not been reading anything i said. 1st, what does my feeling about past christian conduct have to do with islamics rejecting the most vile assertions of acceptable conduct toward those not islamic? NOTHING! they dont need me to do anything to reject these terrible and base methods of dealing with the world. and its not just me saying it - look around - they put the commands of their god into practice.
but lets go on to christians. first - except where christ was telling a parabel - he never told anyone to kill anyone and never did it himself. oups - wrong - once he withered a fig tree that did not give fruit.
and i have always said that people who said they were christian and did evil things were not chirstian as far as i was concerned and needed to be punished for their criminal acts.
and i have never said islamics cant believe as they want - I HAVE SAID THEY CANT DO AS THEY WANT, AND THEY CANT FORCE ANYONE ELSE TO DO AS THEY WANT.

I think part of your problem here, Frank, is you're unwilling to see that your own religion is replete with things Christians have historically and do currently use as sanctioning, if not ordering murder.

Which problem you say doesn't exist, but I say you can't oppose theocracy over there while sheltering it over here. You can't oppose intolerance *with* intolerance.

There's plenty of stuff in the Koran I find pretty alarming, and the explanations for such quite un-reassuring. As do your insistences that "It doesn't happen here," to people who just keep hearing that people think we should be 'not suffered to live' as 'witches' and the like.

Christians actually carry these things out in Africa, too.

But I don't think you're going to have any luck trying to force your opinions on Muslims of whom you insist there 'are no moderates.'

Frankly, I think the same taking-things-literally-and out-of-context-to-suit-convenience is a hallmark of dangerous fundamentalists over here, too.

The difference between 'us' and the Thirdd World isn't about which brand of religion 'righteously dominates'

The difference is America. The difference is where and to the extent that religion does *not* dominate.

the problem with islamics is that they will never reject any part of the koran, and that includes those parts that require hate, kidnapping, holding for ranson, torture, cutting off body parts, rape, murder and forced conversions. why? because they actually say that their god does not just allow it, it commands it. and it also commands war until the entire world is islamic.
when you point out those hateful verses in the koran they call you violent and angry, until you remind them that they are not my words but from their koran.
then they tell you the words are taken out of context, but never tell you what context those hateful verses are acceptable. one time i was actually responded to and the context were a few preceeding verses in which their god allegedly said that the jews deserved it, so it was ok to do it.
then then act like you are the only one to ever think that those verses mean what the say so you show them the hisotry that lead up to the crusades and they say they were following their god and why go way back in history. so you show them from the crusades to 1900 and they say you are still talkinb about the past. so you mention the armenian genocide where almost 2,000,000 christian armenians were murdered by the islamic turks and the answer is they deserved it.
you show them islamic prefesors writings about islam being in a religious war with every nation they border and they say its just a coincidence.
then they will say that the old and new testament shows the same thing and when you point out that jews and christians are not required to do it they will point to where jesus was using a story to show a point and pretend it was jesus ordering christians to murder.
but the best is when they get insulted and tell you that no one believes the way you do and that islam is peaceful and then you show them video of islamics in the mosques teaching what they before said did not exist, was out of context, and a product of my imagination.
but one thing they will never do is reject those verses so vile and hateful they put islam in a constant state of war with the infidels.

islam from the mouth of those who preach it in the west.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peFQWuk4nuo&mode=related&search=

what is a moderate islamic? what does he believe than is different from non moderate islamics? does he believe the entire koran is the inspired word of god and that he must follow it?
so boo boy tell me how moderate you are.
reject those verses of the koran that have been quoted requiring hate and murder.
or here is a good one for a moderate islamic - reject moho having sex with a 9 year old child - tell us that it is vile and evil for anyone to have sex with a 9 year old.

LKT
I agree with you completely. I'm so grateful for the opportunity to consider moderate Muslim voices, even over the constant denigration. This writer, along with other panelists and commenters who stand up for minority faiths, enrich us all. Plus, I love Patel's unfailing optimism -- not that the world will be perfect, but there will always be something good to take away.
Norrie
Great quote. I've always been more drawn to the ethical and ceremonial dimensions of religion than to the so-called miracles.

Eboo Patel,

Since you quoted Robert Frost, you might be interested in this story which reveals what Frost thought of Christianity and probably all religions:

Robert Frost was at a public meeting at Amherst College when a minister of religion asked him how religion had influenced his poetry. Frost responded:

"Mary had a little lamb.
His name was Jesus Christ.
God the Father was the ram
But Joseph took it nice."

This incident was recorded in the Amherst College Alumni Magazine within the last two years.

russell. angry? me? how does quoting the koran make me angry? and why are you cahnging the topic? what is it about islam that will not allow it to reject the concepts of evil, hate, murder and forced conversions that are in the koran? don't they really want peace? why cant you get an islamic to say the damn book is wrong when it says that? what seems to be the problem?
you just cant get an islamic to say re reject, as holy commands, the assertions of hate, kidnapping, ransom, rape, torture, cutting off body parts, and forced conversions?
what seems to be the problem? unless you do still accept them as holy commands which you must fulfill if possible.
it seems pretty simple to me.
if islam wants peace lets hear it for peace. and not islamic speak please. we all know that an islamic simply saying they want peace really means the "peace of allah" which means ther will be peace when all the world is islamic. come on - we already get that one.
so lets rear it for real peace - lets here islam stand up and reject those hateful parts of hits koran, as many have done with the bible where it appears to require killing for minor offenses - adultry and homo conduct. which islam still kills you for.
so who will be the first islamic to publically stand up and say i reject:
I ALREADY QUOTED IT ABOVE.
and again - if you think quoting the koran is anger - blame moho the child rapist. and yes,having sex with a 9 year old is rape.

Thank you for the sincerity of your response. I am moved by your willingness to be open and honest in the face of the kind of replies that all Muslim panelists seem to get. I feel that I am in a better world because your responses are always uplifting, revealing what I believe is a kind and loving spirit -- a rariety in this day and age.

Dear Frank,

Huh?

Frank:

Were you sodomized by a Muslim in prison? Is that why you're so angry? Tell me he at least had the decency to give you a reach around.

did i say demounce all of the koran?
and what part of the bible do you want to find fault with? and dont change the topic islam boy.
there are a lot of things i denounce and will not follow. the penalty for adultry and homo conduct - in the bible its death - not here it isn't. i still say it is wrong - but not death.
now you go - here are a few passages - lets see a public recital denouncing them - and not by you - you are nobody - but by boo boy or an equally known islamic - in a public forum and in arabic as well as english - and lets see it in writing too - in arabic and english.
and why should i be so specific - well a regular human would know what i was talking about but an islamic would lie - you do know that you are allowed to lie to infidels - yes im sure you do. and i have heard you islamics say one thing in english but the islamic translations is all hate and anger.
so here they are - denounce them - if you are reasonable and if you really want a world at peace - denounce them:
The Hadith No. 284, The Muslim, volume one, says that any Jew or Christian, who heard of Muhammad but did not convert to Islam, and died in disbelief, would rot in hell! Thus Islam withdraws from all Jews and Christians the right to believe in their faiths, and pratice them as such.
"The unbelievers of the People of the Book and the idolators shall be in the Fire of Hell therein dwelling for ever; those are the worst of creatures. But those who believe, and do righteous deeds, those are the best of creatures..." (XCVIII: The Clear Sign: 5)
Here those Jews and Christians, who spurn Islam, have been lumped together with the idolators such as the Hindus, and classified as 'the worst of creatures'. Therefore the Koran commands:
"O believers, take not as your friends those of them, who were given the Book before you, and the unbelievers, who take your religion in mockery and as a sport..." (V: The Table: 60)
"The true believers say: Has not God ordered a chapter that commands the holy war" (Sura 47:22); or elsewhere: "Kill the idolaters wherever you find them, imprison them, besiege them, ambush them" (Sura 9:5); and, "Make war on unbelievers" (Sura 9:29). "When you come upon unbelievers, massacre them, tighten the bands of the captives that you will have taken. Then you will set them free, or you will release them for a ransom" (Sura 8:57).
"To Allah, there are no animals viler than those who do not believe and remain unbelievers" (Sura 8:57). That is why it is necessary to Islamize them by force and by humiliation. And those who resist Islam and its founder must be chastised, according to the Koran: "Here is the fate of those who fight Allah and his messenger: you will put them to death or you will make them suffer the torture of the cross; you will cut their hands and their feet alternately. They will be driven from the country" (Sura 5:37).
"Do not display cowardice, and do not call the infidels to peace when you are superior to them" (Sura 47:22). THIS ALLOWS THEM TO MAKE PEACE SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE WAR AGAIN LATER.
4.89": They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
"4.90": Except those who reach a people between whom and you there is an alliance, or who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own people; and if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you, so that they should have certainly fought you; therefore if they withdraw from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not given you a way against them.
"4.91": You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given you a clear authority."

Andrea:

You said "turd".

Ah, if only I could love two women........ ;)

Funny, everytime I'm on Lake Shore Drive, all I can think is "Aahhhhhhh!"

Wonderful post.

Frank,

The same reason you can't get a Christian to denounce the Bible, turd.

why is it you cant get an islamic to denounce some of the vile portions of the koran? why do they ignore it or say that it is taken out of context but will never tell you what context they are acceptable in.
why is everything an insult to islam for which the punishment is always death, but they insult everyone and everything and think that is ok.
in this give and take with islam, when will we see islam actually give rather than take.

well the islamic under the guise of concerned is asking about angels and hoping to cover up comments about how islam acts here on earth. not going to work concerned.
dont tell me about angels answer this:
if life is so important to islam, and i mean all life, including jews, lets see you post a statement that says that you will reject those portions of the koran that hate, murder, kidnapping, holding people for ransom, and even forced conversions. then you might be believeable.
and no islam speak, "we feel all life is sacred" i want to see you say that killing jews becasue they are jews is wrong! i want to see you say that it is vile and islam must never assert that forced conversion into islam are acceptable.
i want to see you say that while islam tells islamics not to make a picture of moho - that non islamics can do so without fear of being attacked by other islamics.
boo boy you are part of the group that tries to get people to say that you are so reasonable and that islam is reasonable, when its not true.
to be a good islamic you must be a bad person, for you must believe that killing and hate and forced conversions is acceptable.

Mr. Patel,

Professor Crossan and the other Jesus Seminarians (three members are On Faith panelists) and their books have made my life quite satisfactory since now I have a much better idea of who Jesus actually was. The embellishments have been deleted leaving only the reality of it all.

Which brings us to the reality of Islam. Islam apparently requires the belief in angels. Do you believe in angels?

My analyses:(previously posted),

"The beginnings of the biblical belief in angels must be sought in very early folklore. The gods of the Hittites and Canaanites had their supernatural messengers, and parallels to the Old Testament stories of angels are found in Near Eastern literature. "

"The 'Magic Papyri' contain many spells to secure just such help and protection of angels. From magic traditions arose the concept of the guardian angel. "
http://www.heart7.net/spirit/at.html

Fairies are apparently fallen angels (check Google for the latest theories). Hmmm, so Tinkerbell is Satan incarnate!!! Darn!! Do fairies and devils have groups/choirs/heavy metal bands? History? Time line?

"Fairy tales all arose in India, they are part of the common Aryan heritage and are to be traced by the remains of their language
They were first written in the Vedas, the sacred Sanskrit books of Buddhism. This theory is somewhat allied to the Sun-Myth Theory. This theory was followed by Max Muller and by Sir George Cox.
The theory of a common source in India will not answer entirely for the origin of tales because many similar tales have existed in non-Aryan countries. Old tales were current in Egypt, 2000 B.C., and were brought from there by Crusaders, Mongol missionaries, the Hebrews, and Gypsies."
Hmmm, something else the Israelites borrowed from the Egyptians?

http://www.sacred-texts.com/etc/sft/sft07.htm
Fascinating info on angels and antiquity can be found at:

"This belief in guardian angels can be traced throughout all antiquity; pagans, like Menander and Plutarch (cf. Euseb., "Praep. Evang.", xii), and Neo-Platonists, like Plotinus, held it. It was also the belief of the Babylonians and Assyrians, as their monuments testify, for a figure of a guardian angel now in the British Museum once decorated an Assyrian palace, and might well serve for a modern representation; while Nabopolassar, father of Nebuchadnezzar the Great, says: "He (Marduk) sent a tutelary deity (cherub) of grace to go at my side; in everything that I did, he made my work to succeed."

im back!
if life is so important to islam, and i mean all life, including jews, lets see you post a statement that says that you will reject those portions of the koran that hate, murder, kidnapping, holding people for ransom, and even forced conversions. then you might be believeable.