The first time I met the Rev. Richard Cizik, vice president of the National Association of Evangelicals, we talked about earth, not heaven....
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How can a Muslim be an anti Semite? Can the pope be anti catholic? An Irishman anti Hibernian? Antisemitism used to be ascribed to those who hate Jews. Today like everything else in politically correct society it's been turned upside down to mean anyone who disagrees with a Jew. The result, such canards weakened through lax and careless use have been rendered toothless and roll like water off the proverbial duck's back.
September 19, 2007 8:56 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on September 19, 2007 20:56
GIVE US A BREAK!
We hear the neocon Friedman complain constantly about Muslim schools teaching unkind things about Jews.
Meaning, one supposes, that the Jews teach their children such kind things! You think children of the Israelis watch the savage behavior of their
adults..in Palestine, in Lebanon (cluster bombs for civilians) in Syria...etc...and don't get the drift?
Muslims are anti-semitic? But the kindly jews just praise and protect everything Muslim or Arab, all day long.
Infuriating garbage.
And while we're at it: only 17% of the world regards Israel in a favorale light (see recent BBC poll) The whole world is anti-semitic, and growing. Shall we all change our schools?
September 19, 2007 4:11 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on September 19, 2007 16:11
GIVE US A BREAK!
We hear the neocon Friedman complain constantly about Muslim schools teaching unkind things about Jews.
Meaning, one supposes, that the Jews teach their children such kind things! You think children of the Israelis watch the savage behavior of their
adults..in Palestine, in Lebanon (cluster bombs for civilians) in Syria...etc...and don't get the drift?
Muslims are anti-semitic? But the kindly jews just praise and protect everything Muslim or Arab, all day long.
Infuriating garbage.
And while we're at it: only 17% of the world regards Israel in a favorale light (see recent BBC poll) The whole world is anti-semitic, and growing. Shall we all change our schools?
September 19, 2007 4:11 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on September 19, 2007 16:11
Interesting choice of word.
Many muslims are semitic. E.g. All Arabs or all who speak Arabic.
September 18, 2007 12:49 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on September 18, 2007 12:49
I really don't get the impression Mr. Patel is talking about being an evolution-denier, here. Lots of people have religions with creation-stories and don't feel the need to interpret in a way that means they 'have' to teach false science or call anything environmentalist 'anti-God.'
I think it can be a slippery slope with those kinds of books, toward, 'I must reject science when convenient to my book, even if that means doing things we know aren't good in order to preserve some profits that are based on dependence upon things we know we're about to run out of, anyway.'
I'd say the problem in this regard isn't in *having* books like that, or in believing things about them: the problem is when they are *used* to justify the otherwise-unjustifiable. I don't see this columnist doing so.
February 23, 2007 3:37 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 23, 2007 15:37
Congratulations Eboo for being added to the On Faith contributors list. Your voice is is much needed in our times.
I found your post to be quite timely and would also add that this effort can also be a source of unity within Muslim communities (sunni-shii) as it could be for different parts of other religious communities.
February 13, 2007 7:46 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 13, 2007 19:46
After subtracting the gratuitous insults, I agree it's a human value shared by many. But it is an encouraging sign, none the less, that groups that agree on very little can find this important area of agreement.
February 12, 2007 11:42 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 12, 2007 23:42
"Creation care" . . . more stupid metaphors, like intelligent design, creationism . . . sounds like a muslim value, you think? . . how about a Native American value, or a human value? . . what arrogance, you simply offend thinking people with your self-serving phony piety.
Thank you.
February 12, 2007 8:07 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 12, 2007 20:07
Who sent this paid political hack with the gaul to call him or herself a "Scientist" to this forum?
http://timethief.wordpress.com/2007/02/09/the-naked-truth-about-dr-timothy-ball/
Brother Patel, your point is very well taken. Who stands to benefit from division of social movements? The powerful and wealthy who want to maintain the status quo is who. At a recent pro-homosexual demonstration I noted the young, creative, lovely, and loving gay and lesbian teens were referring to an organization, that calls itself GodHatesFags, as religious conservatives. I corrected a few, telling them that those people are not true conservatives but are Fascists. This communiity communicates and the word spread quickly. In parting I told them what Arch Bishop Desmond Tutu told me over NPR, that Hitler was a Christian...I wish I had thought to add, as Bishop Tutu had, that so was Mother Theresa. Fortunately, these were very bright, energetic minds. I have little doubt that they will put it all in perspective. I certainly hope so. Persecution sometimes...oft times leads to an over counter reaction. Want to know where the term Closet comes from? In context I think it refers to clothing preferences. The desire to adopt the culture normal appearance of your true inner self. Why should they have to lie and deny? That alone dams any chance they have. So very ugly the violators of the 3rd Commandment. They acutally protest at Grave Site funeral services. I better not see that. I better not. Oh the abomination of God Word grates against all that I am, all that I seek to be. God Bless you for saving our youth. These are very troubling times and we would be quite lost, quite fast without the Stewardship of Blessing like you Sir. Please please please stay strong and keep up God's Work and may you and yours receive seven fold what you sow in God's name...just be very careful please. Amen.
February 12, 2007 7:36 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 12, 2007 19:36
There is NOT evidence to state that global warming is caused by humans or industrialized nations. Period.
February 10, 2007 2:23 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 10, 2007 02:23
Thank you for you kind comments Matthew. I think you highlighted exactly what my friend Eboo is speaking to and this is something that I am very much affirming from my Christian tradition. The issue here is caring for creation as a divine task and how we can share that value with one another. Thanks again for that clarification.
February 9, 2007 12:51 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 9, 2007 12:51
Sayeed, I think you've misunderstood the post - Patel's talking about caring for the earth, and using the Creation stories as a way of thinking and talking about environmental issues. I think he very carefully avoids expressing a position on _how_ the world was or wasn't created, but instead focuses on _how_ we're going to do something about the mess we've landed ourselves in.
February 9, 2007 12:00 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 9, 2007 12:00
-The Holy Qur'an teaches that God created Adam to be His servant and representative on earth with the primary task of caring for the beauty and diversity of creation-
Another astonishing case of stupefying ignorance of elementary biology by a Muslim theist whose knowledge of science comes from an ancient book dictated by a 7th century Arab business man. Apparently the Oxford educated Mr. Patel rejects the overwhelming scientific consensus on evolutionary theory. He much rather prefers, judging from his statement, in recycling the mythological tale of Adam, Eve and the forbidden fruit plagiarised extensively from the Bible.
In all earnestness Mr. Patel, are those of us who appreciate the scientific method in adjudicating between fact and fiction, supposed to take you and your creationist brethren seriously?
With kind regards- your former Muslim brother turned freethinker, Sayeed.
February 9, 2007 3:32 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 9, 2007 03:32
It's always refreshing to hear of when two different groups find common ground. I wonder if, in fact, partnership itself is another value shared between these two religions.
February 8, 2007 6:50 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 8, 2007 18:50
It's always refreshing to hear how different groups find common ground. I wonder if, in fact, parnership is itself a value shared between these two religions.
February 8, 2007 6:49 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 8, 2007 18:49
Brother Eboo,
First and foremost, congratulations on being appointed as a regular contributor to this site:) It is always a joy to come across your name when reading stories about faith and action.
I wholeheartedly agree with you that love for creation and the stewardship of it is a common value that we share. In Genesis we read that God formed "man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being...The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it" (Genesis 2:7 & 15). From the very beginning of God's work we see His deep love for creation and that it was this love that He instilled into humanity's very being. Like God we were made to love and care for creation.
However, Christians also believe that when humanity sinned we shattered this unity with the earth and it was affected by the curse that we brought down upon it. Since then we have done a poor job indeed in caring for God's creation. But the joy is that God has not forgotten His creation nor condemned it. In Revelation John writes, "Then I say a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away...Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever." (Revelation 21:1 & 22:1-5)
What we see here is a redemption not only of humanity, but of the very earth. Eden is restored, the garden reconstituted, and creation made complete by the presence of humankind and God living together in the creation as God intended it to be. The world is not merely something that God created and left to our care, but it is meant to be the place where we meet with Him and that is why His heart is with it.
Therefore, as Christians, we are called to take part in Christ's work of redemption in the world and this involves caring for creation. I think that this is why more and more Christians are taking part in God's call to stewardship of the earth. One personal example of this was a class that I took at my church entitled "Connecting with God Through His Creation". The whole focus of the class was on how we can know God through the work of caring for His creation. More and more there is a push in the church to realize our call as the stewards of God's world and it has been my great joy to serve alongside not only my Christian brothers and sisters, but also Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, and many others, in projects that focus on responding to this calling.
Excellent post my friend:)
Sincerely,
Nick
February 8, 2007 6:13 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 8, 2007 18:13
A lovely reminder of how, very occasionally, the unexpected profoundly challenges our appallingly low expectations for the mundane. The environment is the precondition for our faiths and our politics; managing the dangers confronting the environment should similarly transcend ideological difference.
February 7, 2007 9:22 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 7, 2007 21:22