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thank you Ms. Khan, for the link to your organization. as a new yorker, i hope to be able to see in person some of these forward thinking mosques and dialogue with the sisters who frequent them

peace

Arif Siddiqui:

"Sooner or later, Sharia Law will be ubiquitous."

So much for coexistence. You speak about living in peace, but then completely turn around and start declaring the inevitability of Sharia law, and you want to complain about intolerance shown towards Islam? Oh, please.

Arif Siddiqui writes: "Prophet of Islam in his last sermon reminded us, as he raised the question: Who is superior among us? He answered: The one who is most pious among you. Clear! No ambiguity, simply do the best deeds and actions as you can bear to perform"

Now let us see what the "sermon" actuall says:

"O people, the Unbelievers indulge in tampering with the calendar in order to make permissible that which God forbade, and to forbid that which God has made permissible. With God the months are twelve in number."

Clearly the "O people" being addressed are the believers, the Muslim, and not the non-muslims, the Kafirs. They had been banished from their own land and homes a long time ago. Centuries of thriving communities had been enslaved, uprooted and banished from the land of Muhammad. So the last sermon is to muslims and muslim only ... not to mankind.

"O people, believers are but brothers. No one may take his brother’s property without his full consent. Have I given the message? -- O Allah, be my witness. Never go back to being unbelievers, smiting each other’s necks,"

Again only muslims are but brothers. Not humanity, not mankind. Kafirs are not included in the brotherhood.

"O people, your Lord is One, and your father is one: all of you are from Adam, and Adam was from the ground. The noblest of you in Allah’s sight is the most godfearing: Arab has no merit over non-Arab other than godfearingness. Have I given the message? -- O Allah, be my witness."

Muhammad is addressing muslims. The most godfearing kafir will go to hell. That is why the Mahatama of the Kafirs, Gandhi, was told to his face that a muslim theif is better than Gandhi. Allah forgives all sins except of shirk. Rejecting Muhammad or Islam is a sin that God will not forgive. In the east there is a saying that Kafir children have to live with: the feet of the lowliest muslim are better than the head of the best of the best of Kafirs.

Go ahead Arif Siddiqui, tell the Kafirs whether what I write is true or not. Do you think your lies will not be shown for what they are: pathetic lies?

TO ARIF SIDDIQUE:

You wrote, "In Islam: “Fear” has been derived from the word “TAQWA”. Taqwa is “Fearing Allah as He should be feared. It is a major sign of being a faithful Muslim. See Qur'an, Aali 'Imran (3:102-103), Al-Hashr (59:18-19)", is this what the Qur'an really says?

That says nothing!

In the bible it says, "The FEAR OF THE LORD is reverence and awe, awe as in WOW, this is a nice planet and the rest of creation that You made and the diversity of life that you created is really something.

Reverence in that if you meet God you find that there is nothing to fear about God as in being afraid of Him but that He really cares about His People and His Creation.

I also posted something on 2-25-2008 at 11:06 AM to you but as of yet, you haven't replied, would you care too?

God's Plan is unfolding as we speak.

Take care, see you and the rest of humanity in the Kingdom.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

Continuing the last post, those interested in reading a background on Bani An-Nadir take a look at:

http://www.peacewithrealism.org/jihad/jihad06.htm

59:18 and 19 of the Quran that Arif Siddiqui quotes is the gloating of Allah after the destruction of Bani An-Nadir.

The verses around the ones Siddiqui brings forth puts his allah in context:
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YUSUFALI: They will not fight you (even) together, except in fortified townships, or from behind walls. Strong is their fighting (spirit) amongst themselves: thou wouldst think they were united, but their hearts are divided: that is because they are a people devoid of wisdom.
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YUSUFALI: Like those who lately preceded them, they have tasted the evil result of their conduct; and (in the Hereafter there is) for them a grievous Penalty;-
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YUSUFALI: (Their allies deceived them), like the Evil One, when he says to man, "Deny Allah": but when (man) denies Allah, (the Evil One) says, "I am free of thee: I do fear Allah, the Lord of the Worlds!"
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YUSUFALI: The end of both will be that they will go into the Fire, dwelling therein for ever. Such is the reward of the wrong-doers.

It is only when actually sits down to read the story of Bani An-Nadir that one realises the horrendous evil that the above verses represent!! The destruction of a community that had been living for centuries side by side with others and in less than 15 years all the non-muslims excluded and declared as filthy as dog feces and urine and to this day the filthy Kafirs are not to step in the entire cities of Mecca and Medina. This is the tolerance of Allah and Muhammad. Now in context what is that Arif quotes:

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YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Fear Allah, and let every soul look to what (provision) He has sent forth for the morrow. Yea, fear Allah: for Allah is well-acquainted with (all) that ye do.
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YUSUFALI: And be ye not like those who forgot Allah; and He made them forget their own souls! Such are the rebellious transgressors!
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YUSUFALI: Not equal are the Companions of the Fire and the Companions of the Garden: it is the Companions of the Garden, that will achieve Felicity.
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YUSUFALI: Had We sent down this Qur'an on a mountain, verily, thou wouldst have seen it humble itself and cleave asunder for fear of Allah. Such are the similitudes which We propound to men, that they may reflect

Is there a better example of Brainwashing anywhere? Fear Allah is the only sound that a muslim can hear. Logic and reason cannot function when every other verse of what you conside the core "Moral guide" screams at you to Fear Allah or you will burn in Hell. It is that fear that drives them into the utter stupidity of believing in nonsense.

Arif, answer the question asked of you? Can you answer? How come your allah does not know simple biology and human physiology?

Arif Siddiqui,

Notice Arif Siddiqui does not answer any of the simple questions put to him, but he brings forth the lies and deception taught to him. He does not even understand what he writes but merely repeats the nonsense that the Kafirs in India mired in dhimmitude have bought in the past.

The first sign that A muslim is going to hide Islam and is now going to resort to lies is to start quoting Rumi. Rumi was a liar. He was called a Kafir and they wanted to behead him the same way they beheaded and crucified Mansur Al Hallaj on the gate of Baghdad.
So Rumi lied to save his neck and his ass. Rumi Sufi to this day will sing paeans to muhammad before they try to preach sufism. Net result is that sufism is total and utter hypocrisy. They wink and nod at Islam so they can live without the Mullahs killing them.

Siddiqui why quote Rumi. Where does Allah or Mohammad ever say any of the lies of Rumi? See how the sufis helped Auranzeb to butcher the non-muslims in your country.

So let us take a look at what Arif Siddiqui is trying to sell and learn to always always put the Quran in context so the followers of Muhammad cannot whine "out of context". Arif quotes 3-102,103

Here is what the Quran says just before:
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YUSUFALI: Say: "O ye People of the Book! Why obstruct ye those who believe, from the path of Allah, Seeking to make it crooked, while ye were yourselves witnesses (to Allah's Covenant)? but Allah is not unmindful of all that ye do."
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YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! If ye listen to a faction among the People of the Book, they would (indeed) render you apostates after ye have believed!
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YUSUFALI: And how would ye deny Faith while unto you are rehearsed the Signs of Allah, and among you Lives the Messenger? Whoever holds firmly to Allah will be shown a way that is straight.

So Allah is warning the christians and the jews as to why are they putting up arguments against the nonsense being mouthed by Muhammad. Those arguments exist to this day, and the result is that where ever Islam dominated the questioners were silenced and the Pact of Umar imposed!! Now with that context in mind see what the verses Arif quotes read:
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YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Fear Allah as He should be feared, and die not except in a state of Islam.
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YUSUFALI: And hold fast, all together, by the rope which Allah (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves; and remember with gratitude Allah's favour on you; for ye were enemies and He joined your hearts in love, so that by His Grace, ye became brethren; and ye were on the brink of the pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus doth Allah make His Signs clear to you: That ye may be guided.

You see if you do not become Muslim you will roast in Hell. And die not except as a muslim!!! Ibn Kathir explains it as: means, preserve your Islam while you are well and safe, so that you die as a Muslim. The Most Generous Allah has made it His decision that whatever state one lives in, that is what he dies upon and is resurrected upon. We seek refuge from dying on other than Islam. And 103 "was revealed about the Aws and Khazraj. During the time of Jahiliyyah, the Aws and Khazraj were at war and had great hatred, enmity and ill feelings towards each other, causing long conflicts and battles to occur between them. When Allah brought Islam, those among them who embraced it became brothers who loved each other by Allah's grace". The love and unity of the tribes led to the elimination of the non-muslims from the land of Muhammad and total and utter humiliation of the non-muslims where ever Islam went.
As the wolf said to red riding hood, these sharp teeth are to all the better eat you with my dear, and that is the message that the Sufi deliver that the Mullahs implement.

Similarly the other verses that Arif Siddiqui quotes have a meaning that is different for the muslims than the lies told to the kafirs. This is exactly the policy of saying one thing in arabic, or persian and a totally different thing in english. A tactic well employed by Islam through its history. Kafirs should learn to read and understand the Quran well.

Arif Siddiqui, I asked you questions. Why can you not even answer one, instead of cheaply lying? Only fools and morons will buy the lies in this day and age.

Your Allah is a fake. Why don't you tell us which drop of liquid is he talking about that proceeds from between the ribs and the backbone? Why don't you tell us why does Science totally and completely reject the idiocy of all mankind coming from a single man and a woman? Why should anyone accept anything from the Quran if your all knowing Allah is as ignorant and as wrong on these two simple facts?

1. Fear of Allah :

As per discourse we are indulge into some of the venomous arguments among readers, such as A. Kaffir commented that Muslims do not cogitate with rationale way rather they live in the environment of “Fear of Allah”, means their mind is full of fear.
According to A. Kaffir! Muslims set of mind is built upon fear.

Let us try to explain his accusations: A. Kaffir is mistaken in his accusations and allegations, not only every human being has this “FEAR”, even animals have this instincts of FEAR. A. Kaffir ‘s malice and hatred is: simply trying to project on the audience that Muslims do not have intellect because they always have fear in mind. May Allah (SWT) forgive me but in defense of HIS HONOR and DIGNITY, as a Muslim, I am trying to clearly and explicitly explain to A. Kaffir.
In A. Kaffir words: Muslim’s god is a “Bogey Man”. It is totally nonsense, baseless, and stupidity. Every human being has instinct to love and obey his chosen “Deity”. But it is A. Kaffir’s conjecture, is just simply to Muslim and Islam, in particular, Prophet of Islam (peace be upon him) to show his hated, disrespect, and dishonor him. It is a shame on this disgruntled, unjust, uncivilized person like A. Kaffir Let us try to correct A. Kaffir’s view, it is his attitude, very hard to change anybody’s attitude.
Let us define: What is ‘FEAR of ALLAH (SWT) in Islam?
In Islam: “Fear” has been derived from the word “TAQWA”. Taqwa is “Fearing Allah as He should be feared. It is a major sign of being a faithful Muslim. See Qur'an, Aali 'Imran (3:102-103), Al-Hashr (59:18-19)
Prophet of Islam in his last sermon reminded us, as he raised the question: Who is superior among us? He answered: The one who is most pious among you. Clear! No ambiguity, simply do the best deeds and actions as you can bear toperform. I am sorry if the fog has been cleared from the mindset of A. Kaffir or not ! For example
Consider you are driving a car on the road. You constantly vigilant so that you cannot exceed the speed limit, otherwise you are going to get a ticket from the cop. No matter what plea you make, cop is not going to change the rule, he has to do it because he has the responsibility to enforce the laws and regulations. Moreover, if you are speeding does not have control over the brake, you are going to have severe consequences either your car will crash or get ticketed by the cop.

Hence, answer is explicitly clear! Yes we do live in ‘Fear of Allah’. We fear Our Lord the creator of the universe. We believe and testify in His Oneness and Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him (PBH)) as the ‘Last Messenger of Allah’. We do this, as we want to acquire highest virtues, piety, and righteousness. Only we fear Allah. Let us constantly all of us. A meritorious student is always fearful and vigilant for his academic performance, he is working hard to achieve highest ranking among his peers. I hope that A. Kaffir has to cogitate before indulging on defying, maligning, and insulting out of hatred as he acknowledge on his bogus comments to Muslim and Islam.
Another accusation that Islam is bankrupt intellectually! It is totally a simple “Ignorance of A. Kaffir”. I already mentioned numerous names, just few more names: Ahmad Hasan Zewail, the winner of the 1999 Nobel Prize in Chemistry for his work on femtochemistry, Fazlur Khan, from Bengladesh: regarded as the "Einstein of structural engineering" and considered "the greatest architectural engineer of the second half of the 20th century" for his constructions of the Sears Tower and John Hancock Center, and for his designs of structural systems that remain fundamental to all high-rise skyscrapers, and too many others, as already mentioned.

Kudos to Who Strive for Coexistence & Tolerance

Allah(SWT)’s message to his creatures is clear, unequivocal. It has been put in a beautiful couplet by Maulana Rumi, the greatest Sufi that Islam produced:
Too baraaye wasl kardan aamadi
Na baraaya fasl kardan aamadi
(You’ve been sent to unite people
You’ve not been sent to divide people)
Maulana Rumi’s poems have been widely translated into many different languages. His poems are: ‘Most popular poet of America’.

1.Fear of Allah :

As per discourse we are indulge into some of the venomous arguments among readers, such as A. Kaffir commented that Muslims do not cogitate with rationale way rather they live in the environment of “Fear of Allah”, means their mind is full of fear.
According to A. Kaffir! Muslims set of mind is built upon fear.

Let us try to explain his accusations: A. Kaffir is mistaken in his accusations and allegations, not only every human being has this “FEAR”, even animals have this instincts of FEAR. A. Kaffir ‘s malice and hatred is: simply trying to project on the audience that Muslims do not have intellect because they always have fear in mind. May Allah (SWT) forgive me but in defense of HIS HONOR and DIGNITY, as a Muslim, I am trying to clearly and explicitly explain to A. Kaffir.
In A. Kaffir words: Muslim’s god is a “Bogey Man”. It is totally nonsense, baseless, and stupidity. Every human being has instinct to love and obey his chosen “Deity”. But it is A. Kaffir’s conjecture, is just simply to Muslim and Islam, in particular, Prophet of Islam (peace be upon him) to show his hated, disrespect, and dishonor him. It is a shame on this disgruntled, unjust, uncivilized person like A. Kaffir Let us try to correct A. Kaffir’s view, it is his attitude, very hard to change anybody’s attitude.
Let us define: What is ‘FEAR of ALLAH (SWT) in Islam?
In Islam: “Fear” has been derived from the word “TAQWA”. Taqwa is “Fearing Allah as He should be feared. It is a major sign of being a faithful Muslim. See Qur'an, Aali 'Imran (3:102-103), Al-Hashr (59:18-19)
Prophet of Islam in his last sermon reminded us, as he raised the question: Who is superior among us? He answered: The one who is most pious among you. Clear! No ambiguity, simply do the best deeds and actions as you can bear toperform. I am sorry if the fog has been cleared from the mindset of A. Kaffir or not ! For example
Consider you are driving a car on the road. You constantly vigilant so that you cannot exceed the speed limit, otherwise you are going to get a ticket from the cop. No matter what plea you make, cop is not going to change the rule, he has to do it because he has the responsibility to enforce the laws and regulations. Moreover, if you are speeding does not have control over the brake, you are going to have severe consequences either your car will crash or get ticketed by the cop.
Hence, answer is explicitly clear! Yes we do live in ‘Fear of Allah’. We fear Our Lord the creator of the universe. We believe and testify in His Oneness and Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him (PBH)) as the ‘Last Messenger of Allah’. We do this, as we want to acquire highest virtues, piety, and righteousness. Only we fear Allah. Let us constantly all of us. A meritorious student is always fearful and vigilant for his academic performance, he is working hard to achieve highest ranking among his peers. I hope that A. Kaffir has to cogitate before indulging on defying, maligning, and insulting out of hatred as he acknowledge on his bogus comments to Muslim and Islam.

TO ARIF SIDDIQUE:

You wrote, "Sooner or later, Sharia Law will be ubiquitous.", this is a very telling statement.

This, in very simple language, shows what sharia law is, to the true believing muslim, and that is the imposition of islam, by whatever means, on the whole planet.

I have met God and God is a Trinity, a Trinity of One, Jesus is Who He said that He is and that is God-Incarnate, and God is a Being of Pure Love.

Jesus is God-Incarnate not some second-rate prophet.

Isn't it just like satan to twist what God said and then to call Him a prophet, second-rate at that?

You may or may not know, but in the bible it says that it is God's Will that all be saved.

Seems to me from what you say, the god of islam sure is one hate-filled being that despises the people that he supposedly created, is that what you think or is that just the way that you come across?

The True, Living, Triune, Triumphant God is a searcher of hearts and minds not of religious affiliations or lack thereof.

It is important what you do and why you do it and what you know.

It sounds like you are looking forward to so many of your fellow human beings going to hell, but you know what, you don't seem to know anything about hell.

Do you know what is amazing?

The fact that so many muslims are good, loving people in spite of the fact that satan is the god of islam, do you not also find that amazing?

God has a Plan and has had His Plan since before creation and His Plan is for ALL OF HUMANITY to be with Him in His Kingdom.

By the way God is not a He, a She or an It even tho God-Incarnate was a Man, a Jewish Man.

Take care, see you and the rest of humanity in the Kingdom.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

Arif Siddiqui,

Are you in Germany or are you in Bombay? You are two bit liar, and when you are caught lying and shown to be a liar, what do you do? Instead of owning up, you try telling you run a spiritual clinic!! Do you know the first thing about spirituality?

Why don't you ask the Libyan Imam who actually works in Africa why 6 million leave every year. Here is the link: http://www.formermuslims.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=972

Then if you want more names of people who have rejected Islam take a look at
http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Muslims_who_left_Islam

And so for true to form, you have not answered a single question posed to you. Not one. Why?

Arif, Islam is dead. Intellectually it is exposed and there is no defense for it. It is lies. As the children get educated and the modern science penetrates the minds of the young muslims, Islam will disappear into history. It was a barbaric arabian cult and it is well past its due date.

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YUSUFALI: Now let man but think from what he is created!
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YUSUFALI: He is created from a drop emitted-
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YUSUFALI: Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs:

Arif, look at the verbs ... Allah says proceeding. So tell me which drop proceeds from between the backbone and the ribs? Your Zacker the Quacker of Bombaai says this means Allah is saying when the fetus was six weeks old!! Lol!! Your friend runs a clinic. Why don't you find a muslim friend and find which drop is Allah talking about? How come you Allah is so incredibly stupid? Come one answer, mumbai dweller. Defend your Allah, and tell the Kafirs which drop is the All knowing Allah talking about?

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YUSUFALI: O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes

Arif, find out what high school biology teaches about evolution and natural selection. Do you know why mankind could not have come from a single pair of a male and a female? And you sell this ignorance as the ultimate knowledge?

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YUSUFALI: As to the thief, Male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power.
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YUSUFALI: The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.

Is this the Sharia you think is going to be ubiquitous?

Give a try at aswering any of the questions.

A. Kaffir!

You seems to having real mental problem. Shame on you claiming that 6 millions Afrcan Muslims rejected Islam. Shame on you, totally baseless, there is no such things. For example: one bsihop he spent 16 years in Mauritania, and he was not able to convert a single muslim into christianity! Shame on you again spreading wrong information MURTID/ALIM SHAITAN.
The TRUTH will prevail!
Islam is the fastest growing religion.
Stop lying! super liar.

A. Kaffir!

Maurice Buccaile mmade good money. How much you got the money after becoming MURTID?
Learn manner, do not spread the lies. Definitely you know your destiny, your place will be in HELL!
You did not prove the corollary! Be shameful of your misdeed!
Let me know!
You are claiming that Maurice Buccaile did not become Muslim. But what about these great-great convert to Islam: Pickhtal, Mohammad Asad, Danish and Italian Ambassdors, Shiekh Hamza Yousuf, Yusuf Islam? Do you know how much they made?
You are simply a super liar!
But it is explicitly clear that You got huge amount of money to become MURTID: simply spread hatred and lies! You are very shy, timid, and, coward to disclose the TRUTH. It is true money make the person blind, and you are among them. Stop insulting!

Arif Siddiqui,

I have answered your questions.

You write: "The Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr. Rowan Wiiliams statement has profound impacts and implications, as he did it after careful study."
and
" Sooner or later, Sharia Law will be ubiquitous."

The Kafirs should know that these words are being written by a Muslim who is absolutely convinced that is extremely moderate and very very civilized. Now image the position of a Muslim who considers himself a religious zealot.

Siddiqui what you have written is far more illuminating to the kafirs who will read this page than anything I could have said. I know you do not understand what I have just written, but that is the indication of the gap in education and culture that exists between the kafirs and the muslims at present.

I have answered your questions, but you have not even attempted to answer a single one I asked.

Since Sharia will become ubiquitous. Will cutting of limbs, stoning of women, marrying of girl toddlers, triple talaaq, strict segregation of sexes, Covering of Women in proper Burkha or Chaddor (or perhaps the principle of Chaddor and Char dewari for women) etc. also become ubiquitous? All of that is part of Sharia, is it not?

Deb Chatterjee writes:

"I don't understand these statements. He never believed in the prophecy he claimed ? That means he knew he was not a prophet but was fooling/deceiving people ?
Any proof kafir ? BTW, looks like you are an ex-Muslim. So, Muslims might say that you are speaking out of hatred. BTW, Ibn Ishaq's SIRAT RASUL ALLAH depicts Muhammad in the most bestial manner. I would find it difficult to disagree with you, as I have read Ibn Ishaq's biography"

You find it difficult to disagree but you still do? One does not need to invoke Ibn Ishaq to see the problem with Muhammad, Sahih Hadeeth are enough. Without the Hadeeth, Ishaq, Waqqidi, and a couple of other books there is no Muhammad except a "ghost" in the Quran and Quran becomes gibberish.

Of course I write out of hatred. Which sane person would not, as you yourself write the earlies biographer "depicts Muhammad in the most bestial manner"!! And it is not only ibn Ishaq but the hadith by Bukhari, by Muslim, and other Imams that present the same. The thing to remember is that these depictions are not by Islam's enemies but by Islam's great Imams who wanted to be remembered as hagiographers and not mere biographers. The civilization and culture they present is so foreign to man at present that the praise comes across far worse than any damnation, and all it takes is a little bit of critical thinking ... not much, just a little. If Muhammad was like Chingez Khan, or Hannibal, a character consigned to the history books instead of influencing the morality of 20% of humanity in the present, the hate would be pathological and a dislike tempered with the excuse that humanity was barbarous back then more appropriate. However, those who want to destroy the kafirs in totality worship what you consider a bestial depiction. They do not consider it bestial at all. They make video of beheading, and not showing mercy to those they burn or torture to death and boast about it. All precisely because the early biographers of Muhammad say that Muhammad did all of that. They are merely emulating Muhammad, and that evil at present I do hate and I do write against it.

There are many reasons to doubt that Muhammad actually believed that he was a prophet. However, when power is as absolute as Muhammad had achieved it might have been easy for him to start believing his own lies. Here is one reason from Islam's history:

Abdullah ibn Abu Sarah was one of Muhammad's scribes who is said to have suggested alternative words for the verses of 'revelations' to which Muhammad agreed.

Apparently he thoug that if these 'revelations' were actually from God, then no one, not even Muhammad had the right to change a single iota of them. He apostasised upon pain of death by Muhammad and his followers. His life was saved by Uthman b Affan after Muhammad had conquered Mecca. He was Uthman's foster brother.

Sunan of Abu-Dawood Hadith 2677
Narrated bySa'd
On the day when Mecca was conquered, the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) gave protection to the People except four men and two women and he named them. Ibn AbuSarh was one of them. He then narrated the tradition. He said: Ibn AbuSarh hid himself with Uthman ibn Affan. When the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) called the people to take the oath of allegiance, he brought him and made him stand before the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him). He said: Apostle of Allah, receive the oath of allegiance from him. He raised his head and looked at him thrice, denying him every time. After the third time he received his oath.

He [Muhammad] then turned to his Companions and said: Is not there any intelligent man among you who would stand to this (man) when he saw me desisting from receiving the oath of allegiance, and kill him? They replied: We do not know, Apostle of Allah, what lies in your heart; did you not give us an hint with your eye? He said: It is not proper for a Prophet to have a treacherous eye.

The alleged fabrication of the revelation centres on Surah 23.12-14.

In the {Tafsir-i-Husaini, Vol. 2, p. 80 (quoted in Sell, The Historical Development of the Qur'an, p. 150-151)} the description of the creation of man in these verses was ended, this same Abdullah, recording the verses as Muhammad's amanuensis, exclaimed

" Fatabaaraka^llahu-ahsanul-khaaliqeen" - "Blessed be Allah, the best of Creators".

Muhammad promptly told him to record that exclamation in the passage as part of the revelation.
Abdullah rejected Islam claiming Muhammad to be a fraud.
(The words are duly recorded at the end of Surah 23.14).

Any way the story of the two singing girls mentioned in the above Hadeeth also suggest that Muhammad knew he was not a genuine article. Then there are too many verses that Allah very conveniently comes up with whenever Muhammad wanted them. There is even an Hadith where Aiesha his child bride pouts about that very convenient facility of Muhammad.

A. Kaffir!

I did not get your response. You did not have answer to my question!
Have ever read the books well researched and well documented by Annemarie Schimmel, Karen Armstrong?
You did not prove the corolorry, now I assume that you are not the person with whom anybody can make arguments, because you only learned to insult and spread hatred and venom toward a peace loving society. See the remarkable works have been done by Indian Muslims, though there are innumerable injustices have been commited on them

I am sorry, I do not know how to address you! A. Kaffir or Murtid, or ALIM SHAITAN. I hope even RSS chief does not like to choose his name KAFFIR. Stop insulting!
You simply started insulting, and vaguely making stupid arguments. I am not only trained in mathematical sciences and engineering, but also I am good in spirtual teaching. Are you ready for spirtual cure?

Stop behaving in a nincompoop manner. Learn some ethics, then do arguments in a rationale manner.

Do you know ISLAMIC FINANCING is gaining currency globally? Why?
The Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr. Rowan Wiiliams statement has profound impacts and implications, as he did it after careful study. You act like you have very sound knowledge on Islam. But! Remember! "Empty vesells make much more noise". You are greedy guy, become MURTID just for money. Shame on you!
Sooner or later, Sharia Law will be ubiquitous.

Dear Deb Chatterjee,

First of all, I want to apolgize you, as in my earlier comments I used a bad word.
I am humbly requesting you to forgive me if it hurts your feeling. I will soon make the clearfication of your doubts. I am debating only to A. Kaffir, who is indulging in a very unethical manner and simply "INSULTING ALL THE PROPHETS".
I again want to apologize you, and will answer your question very soon.

Sincerely,

-Arif

A. Kaffir wrote:

"It is entirely unclear whether he did what he thought was the right thing to do. It is also entire unclear whether he actually beleived in the prophecy he claimed."

I don't understand these statements. He never believed in the prophecy he claimed ? That means he knew he was not a prophet but was fooling/deceiving people ?

Any proof kafir ? BTW, looks like you are an ex-Muslim. So, Muslims might say that you are speaking out of hatred. Can you convince us that you have facts to prove your position ?

BTW, Ibn Ishaq's SIRAT RASUL ALLAH depicts Muhammad in the most bestial manner. I would find it difficult to disagree with you, as I have read Ibn Ishaq's biography. But, did Muhammad know that he was all the time fooling his people ? How can you make such speculations ? Surely you must have some basis ? What's it ?

Deb Chatterji writes: "I think Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) was a genuine person who was honest with what he thought was the right thing to do. And he was successful in establishing his hview, which he claimed to come from God. So, because history respects those who have been successful I would not disrespcet him personally."

I suspect you do not know very much about the Sunnah of Muhammad. The more you learn the less likely you are to make the statement you have made. History respects those who have been successful? History is never a closed subject. Chingez Khan was a very successful Warlord. He fathered some of the worlds greatest empires, but that does not mean he is above criticism when it comes to his actions in terms of present humanity. I think it is established his is the most dominant DNA in the present world because he loved to rape. He was certainly an influential person but I would not compare him to people like Mahatama Gandhi, Abdul Ghaffar Khan (The frontier Gandhi), Tagore, Mother Terresa, etc.

It is entirely unclear whether he did what he thought was the right thing to do. It is also entire unclear whether he actually beleived in the prophecy he claimed. Even if he did, his actions were extremely violent. When he obtained the power he sought, he made an example of that absolute power corrupts absolutely. He enslaved thousands of women and children, he traded these humans, he gifted them to his followers, friends, etc. He killed thousands. He raped. He looted. He had people assassinated. In short, the more you learn about him, the more you realize that the central problem of Islam is the character of muhammad because muslims are taught to want to be like him. No society can function if most people in a society are like muhammad. That is the reason why most muslims never really know the life of Muhammad. They are taught lies, and that is why most muslims will quote you fictional events of Muhammad's life that were invented by muslims in later societies. Allow me to give you couple of examples:

Muslims will tell you that Muhammad said go to china to get knowledge. He never did. There is absolutely no record in any original historian of Islam. This was invented by persians something like 600 years after muhammad. Then muslims will tell you the story of a jewess throwing garbage on muhammad and how she got sick and did not throw garbage on him one day, and he went to her house to enquire about her, and she converted to Islam because of his kindness. Guess what? There is no record of that in any islamic book of the early days of islam. This is a story taken from the Bahahis about Bahaullah and a muslim woman in persian. There are many many examples of total fabrication being put forth by muslims to their chidren because they are unable to tell the earliest stories about Muhammad because they are so violent and so bloodthirsty.

Personally I do not consider the overwhelming majority of muslims to be a problem at all. The problem is the Sudden Jihad Syndrome and not know exactly which muslim will suddenly start reading the hadith and the books on Islam and wanting to emulate the Sunnah of Muhammad. The problem the world has is the Sunnah of Muhammad and his war manual, and not muslims. Think what would it be like if you start considering the actions and deeds of Chingez Khan worth emulating and building a society based on that. It is absolutely critical to disabuse everyone of the notion that the life of Muhammad and his actions can be used by anyone in the modern world to build a society that can live peacefully in a global village with multiculture, multi religious environment.

A. Kaffir,

Your comments are good. Let me put my position very explicitly. I think Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) was a genuine person who was honest with what he thought was the right thing to do. And he was successful in establishing his view, which he claimed to come from God. So, because history respects those who have been successful I would not disrespcet him personally. His personal life, which has been the source of debate - is his life. Afer all, what do I gain in the 21st century by criticizing a person who died in 632 A.D. ?? Would Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) come down and refute my allegations ??

I would criticize Islam. That is the legacy of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). I have a right to challenge (or criticize) the message (Islam); but I do not think I have the moral right to criticize the messenger (Prophet Muhammad [PBUH]).

This Arif Siddiqui did not answer my positions regarding Quran [004:095] and [005:033]. Instead he chose to shower insults. How can one argue with Islam or religion ? Its a choice. That choice is NOT unique. Its like saying that a red shirt is better than a gree shirt. To me it does not make any sense. Does it to you ?

Arif Siddiqui,

LoL! Are you in Germany or are you running a "spiritual Heart clinic" in Bombay? Spiritiual Heart Clinic? Is that a new fangled name for you masjid?

You do know that Greatest means "singular". So how can you apply "Greatest Fool" to Deb Chatterjee and to A. Kafir? I think you are wrong on both accounts because you had already proven that you were the Greatest of fools. LoL!! Did the mirror confirm that for you?

You can address me as you wish. It matters nada to me.

You should calm down a little and stop spluttering all over the place. You are taxing your brain as it is. It is sad to see you so distressed. You really should learn to relax and learn to accept that with the modern technologies the expose of Islam will go on regardless of all the impotent threats by the followers of muhammad. In actual life your anger would be generate a mob and some poor guy trying to question Islam would have been killed, his family ruined, and the kafirs around taught a lesson to keep their mouths shut. It still happens in India where you live. But you cannot do that over the net, can you? Islam is being exposed over a thousand sites and pretty soon it will be over a million sites. So get used to it. Your lies will not work, and your threats are meaningless.

I asked you to show where and when did I ever say that I rejected Islam because of Islam? Why do you lie so much? Your credibility is zero and it is difficult to take anything seriously because you lie so much.

Here are your answers point wise:

1. Maurice Buccaile wrote a book to make money and he did, but he never became a muslim. Your information is incorrect. Even if the people you name did become muslims, so what? People are free to decide and make their own choices. For reasons of their own, people choose a religion, and then they should be free to leave it as well. In muslim countries that freedom does not exist. In the free countries, most people who convert tend to leave Islam within the first year or so. About 6 million muslims are rejecting Islam just in Africa. There are many many very smart people who have reject your Islam. Salman Rushdie from Bombay whose books are banned in India left Islam ... why? Ibn Warraq, also an indian, has rejected Islam. Taslim Nasreen from Bengal. Irfan Khawja from Bombay, and the list is long. Look it up. Islam is intellectually bankrupt, and is now being exposed for it truly is: arab imperialism masquerading as a religion and often implemented as a death cult.

2. What you are trying to use is often referred to as Pascal's wager and has been thouroughly refuted over the years. Look it up. Whose judgment day? You are going to be in severe trouble if it is jewish, christian, hindu, zorastrian, magian, pagan, etc. and not muslim. You are putting all your bets on a single notion from the muslim mythology. Your Quran says that if there is a single error in the Quran then it cannot be word of God. Now your Quran is filled with errors. How can you believe in nonsense from a book that is so wrong and its Allah who is so stupid. Here are two errors for you to think about: Your allah says all of mankind was created from a single pair of man and woman. Man now knows that is just plain wrong. Allah says man was created from a drop of liquid gushing forth from between the spine and the ribs, and that is just plain wrong. Two simple scientific facts and Allah has them wrong. There are other absurdities in the quran as well. Now you can go to Zakirs web site in Bombay to look up the answer and see the silly twisting and turning he makes. The fact is that Allah get simple science just plain wrong.

3. I do not understand what you are asking there except you seem to be close to having an apoplectic fit. I told you that Jesus is not Isa of the Quran. What difference does it make what my religion is? That is my business and no one elses. I do not ask anyone to convert in or out of any religion. You want to keep worshiping a dead 7th century barbarian warlord, go right ahead. That is your choice.

Follow the ethical manner? First learn to not lie before you talk about ethics. Okay.

Anything else?

A. Kaffir: GREATEST FOOL on the planet!
DEB CHATERJEE: GREATESTFOOL on the earth.

STOP! wrtiting,illogical , irrationale way, you silly stupids NINCOMPOOPs, greedy guys become MURTIDs for the sake of MONEY.

It is not clear, how I have to address you guys? Let me know: Kaffir, Murtid, ALIM Shaitan!

Open questions: If you guys can answer otherwise I am assuming that you lost the debate/dialogue.

Give me clear explicit answer:
1. Why great people like: Mohammad Asad, Dr. Mauirice Buccaile, Shiekh Hamza Yousuf, Maryam Jameelah, Murad Hoffman, Professor Krishna Rao and too many others chosen the path of "TRUE RELIGION" after doing in depth methodoligical rsearch? Clear stupid MURTIDS!
But you "Father of Ignorance" deflected the question to answer, because you chosen the path of darkness(HELL) after getting handsome money paid by RSS/LTTE, or Narendra Modi.
2. You also did not able to prove the mathematical corollary:
What will happen to guys if there will be "Day of Judgement"?
You piggy piglet! you know that your destination is HELL-FIRE full of pus, snakes wonderful drinks made of urine. Come on! prove it otherwise you are looser who was paid huge amount of money!

3. Tel me what's your religion now rodent rat, as you are claiming that you become MURTID! greedy guy. You did not answer about Prophet Jesus ( peace be upon him). Whats your DEEN now, you understand sulky rotten, austic , no where to go dirt. I will keep replying you, till you admit your ignorance. You have been poisned by RSS oufit just to write garbage, irrationale way!
Follow the ethical manner, stop unethical manner. Foolish you do not have enough knowledge.

A. Kaffir: GREATEST FOOL on the planet!
DEB CHATERJEE: GREATESTFOOL on the earth.
It is not clear, how I have to address you guys? Let me know: Kaffir, Murtid, ALIM Shaitan!

Open questions: If you guys can answer otherwise I am assuming that you lost the debate/dialogue.

Give me clear explicit answer:
1. Why great people like: Mohammad Asad, Dr. Mauirice Buccaile, Shiekh Hamza Yousuf, Maryam Jameelah, Murad Hoffman, Professor Krishna Rao and too many others chosen the path of "TRUE RELIGION" after doing in depth methodoligical rsearch? Clear stupid MURTIDS!
But you "Father of Ignorance" deflected the question to answer, because you chosen the path of darkness(HELL) after getting handsome money paid by RSS/LTTE, or Narendra Modi.
2. You also did not able to prove the mathematical corollary:
What will happen to guys if there will be "Day of Judgement"?
You piggy piglet! you know that your destination is HELL-FIRE full of pus, snakes wonderful drinks made of urine. Come on! prove it otherwise you are looser who was paid huge amount of money!

3. Tel me what's your religion now rodent rat, as you are claiming that you become MURTID! greedy guy. You did not answer about Prophet Jesus ( peace be upon him). Whats your DEEN now, you understand sulky rotten, austic , no where to go dirt. I will keep replying you, till you admit your ignorance. You have been poisned by RSS oufit just to write garbage, irrationale way!
Follow the ethical manner, stop unethical manner. Foolish you do not have enough knowledge.

A. Kaffir: GREATEST FOOL on the planet!
DEB CHATERJEE: GREATESTFOOL on the earth.
It is not clear, how I have to address you guys? Let me know: Kaffir, Murtid, ALIM Shaitan!

Open questions: If you guys can answer otherwise I am assuming that you lost the debate/dialogue.

Give me clear explicit answer:
1. Why great people like: Mohammad Asad, Dr. Mauirice Buccaile, Shiekh Hamza Yousuf, Maryam Jameelah, Murad Hoffman, Professor Krishna Rao and too many others chosen the path of "TRUE RELIGION" after doing in depth methodoligical rsearch? Clear stupid MURTIDS!
But you "Father of Ignorance" deflected the question to answer, because you chosen the path of darkness(HELL) after getting handsome money paid by RSS/LTTE, or Narendra Modi.
2. You also did not able to prove the mathematical corollary:
What will happen to guys if there will be "Day of Judgement"?
You piggy piglet! you know that your destination is HELL-FIRE full of pus, snakes wonderful drinks made of urine. Come on! prove it otherwise you are looser who was paid huge amount of money!

3. Tel me what's your religion now rodent rat, as you are claiming that you become MURTID! greedy guy. You did not answer about Prophet Jesus ( peace be upon him). Whats your DEEN now, you understand sulky rotten, austic , no where to go dirt. I will keep replying you, till you admit your ignorance. You have been poisned by RSS oufit just to write garbage, irrationale way!
Follow the ethical manner, stop unethical manner. Foolish you do not have enough knowledge.

TO DAISY KHAN AND THE REST OF HUMANITY:

There is no room for sharia law or any other religious laws in America.

The fact that it is totally against the law of the land should make it a moot point.

Of course as can easily be seen, it is not a moot point.

Laws should be to keep some resemblance of civility among people, if they are to try to impose or enforce a belief then by simple definition, it is not a belief.

Since "laws of belief" should come from inside a person whereas laws are imposed upon a person from the outside, sharia law [from the outside] forcing others to live what you believe as opposed to laws of beliefs [from the inside] living these beliefs or at least trying to live them.

If the god of islam wants for people to force others to believe in him or be treated shall we say "shabbily", doesn't sound like much of a god to me or for a god to take seriously "free will" or doesn't the muslim religion believe in free will?

The True, Living, Triune, Triumphant God is a searcher of hearts and minds, not of religious affiliations or lack thereof.

It is important what you do and why you do it and what you know.

Take care, be ready, see you and the rest of humanity in the Kingdom.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

Arif Siddique wrote:

""Suicide Bombing" is completely an evil act. Read Chapter 5 (Surah Al-Maidah) its totally denounced to kill innocent people."

This is a misleading statement. Quran (004:095) encourages Muslims to receive "hurt" in fighting for the cause of Allah. This is the motivation for suicide bombings. That is Quran exalts those Muslims who are active in a physical fight and receive wounds etc. (hurt), and compares them superior to those Muslims who remain passive or are leading peaceful lives. Osama bin Laden and his brand of Jihadis have often quoted this specific verse from the Quran to justify "fighting the West". The specific verse is as follows:

YUSUFALI: "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-" [Quran(004:095)]

See the link:

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/004.qmt.html

The question is what if Sharia was implemented in USA ? This garbage, which naive Americans seem to be getting into, that "(positive) parts of Sharia be implemented" is a baloney. Either one implements the entire Shariah or rejects it fully. If Sharia is implemented, then the US Constitution is *obligated* to uphold Islam as a virtuous way of life than the western secularism we know. This means that non-Muslims in USA are to accept that Islam is superior. So, as a first example, no newspaper/TV/movie/cartoon etc. can ever say anything critical/insulting/blasphemous of Islam, Allah or Muhammad. And, films like THE LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST or THE DAVINCI CODE cannot be made, because it shows Jesus Christ in a very negative light. Muslims revere Jesus, and Quran has surahs about Him. So, that's Allah's message. Now let's see what Quran says if some liberal intellectual would express the right to Free Speech (1st Amendment) and ends up insulting Allah's message (Islam/Quran) or Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). This is what "should" happen, per Quran and hence approved by Shariah too:

YUSUFALI: "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;" [Quran(005:033)].

see the link:

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/005.qmt.html

So, is this what we want after "parts" of Shariah is implemented into US Constitution ? We want the 1st Amendment to die ?

Another question is quite intriguing: why would we even bother to discuss Shariah into US laws ? Why ? Do Islamic countries discuss any westernization of their societies ? All I see is more roll back of the secularist norms that these Islamic countries might once have adopted. Turkey just lifted the ban on headscarfs. Well, that's their prerogative. Why US would have to get into a discussion whether to legalize the barbaric Shariah ? If Muslims demand Shariah, kick them out of USA. Australians are already fed up with this garbage. Why would we want to hypocrites like Daisy Khan to mislead us on Shariah, when it is totally evil by western standards ? If Muslims in the West are unhappy with the secular laws, let them get out of USA and go back to those Islamic lands. Why come here and be a pain the a--of others ? Whereever Islam has spread, that is Muslims have become numerical majority, this problem has surfaced - overturning the secular laws of that place. KICK MUSLIMS OUT OF USA !

Arif Siddiqui,

There is no cure for stupidity. Take a look at the time of your last few posts, and calculate the time that implies it is in Germany and then calculate the time it implies is in Bombay. Anyone can do the math. Can you? LoL!! Your allah obviously does not mind pathetic little liars in his boat ... never has and never will. Fortunately, the Internet is helping expose Allah for who he is. Check yourself in the mirror and see what a fool looks like. LoL!

You think people will not be able to see that you are unable to answer a single question posed to you? Why is so difficult for you?

The difference is that Kafirs believe in freedom of choice and freedom to believe. Muslims who leave Islam cannot publicize because muslims love to kill Murtids. Why? Why is there a death penalty for apostates in islam? Why is Islam incapable of living with free will?

And your last lemma is silly beyond belief. Only a fool would sell himself so short. But you have already demonstrated that you are a pathetic liar and a fool to boot. So live your life terrified of hell fire, and keep dreaming of fictional prophets. The only enjoyment you seem to get is thinking and wishing real pain and misery on some other human. Again, Muhammad used to do that as well. He beheaded three and put the severed heads on spears and stuck them in the blazing desert sun. Then he railed and cursed them and taunted them for three whole days. What a prophet you will have in your boat!! You are most welcome to him and your boat.

Kudos to peace loving people who are fighting for the coexistence of the followers ALL FAITHS (AMEN).

Hey KAFIR, I am in Germany still I oversee with the help of my brothers in Bombay. You are real liar, as well as "Father of Ignorance"
Hey KAFIR/MURTID, you got enough money after reverting from the TRUE religion.
Enjoy it sooner or later you will be accountable for your misdeed. I am doubting your acknowledgement that you become MURTID. I think you are working on the behalf of RSS, good for you.
Listen KAFIR/MURTID: the famous converts from WEST are:
ASAD, Murad Hoffman, Pickthal, Maryam Jameelah, Shiekh Hamza Yousuf, Yousuf Islam, Maurice Buccaile, Danish, and Itlain Ambassdors, Mohammad Ali Clay, there are innumerable peronalities.

In mathematics there are: lemmas, theorems, and corollary, as your rotten head ever heard of.

Corollary:
Assume there will be no Day of Judgement, then either of us are on the same boat. But!
According to my faith and believe there will be Day of Judgement, I will enjoy the company of GREAT PROPHETS. Sorry! you will be the looser. Your place will be in the HELL-FIRE full of snakes,and you will be having very enriched drink made of urine.

Kudos to peace loving people who are fighting for the coexistence of ALL FAITHS (AMEN).

Hey KAFIR/MURTID, you got enough money after reverting from the TRUE religion. Enjoy it sooner or later you will be accountable for your misdeed. I am doubting your acknowledgement that you become MURTID. I think you are working on the behalf of RSS, good for you.
Listen KAFIR/MURTID: the famous converts from WEST:
ASAD, Murad Hoffman, Pickthal, Maryam Jameelah, Shiekh Hamza Yousuf, Yousuf Islam, Maurice Buccaile, Danish, and Itlain Ambassdors, Mohammad Ali Clay, there are innumerable peronalities.

In mathematics there are: lemmas, theorems, and corollary, as your rotten head ever heard of.

Corollary:
Assume there will be no Day of Judgement, then either of us are on the same boat. But!
According to my faith and believe there will be Day of Judgement, I will enjoy the company of GREAT PROPHETS. Sorry! you will be the looser. Your place will be in the HELL-FIRE full of snakes,and you will be having very enriched drink made cow's urine.

Arif Siddiqui,

All you have shown is that one of you is a liar. But that is okay since taqqiyah is a given among muhammad followers.

Arif writes ( Feb. 21 11:43PM) "I am in Germany, making more money than this rodent rotten rat, who gave up his DEEN for the sake of financial gain, as he ultimatley acknowledged."

A. Rao writes (Feb. 21, 6:55 PM )"My friend Arif runs a Spritual Heart Clinic in Bombay,".

Ofcourse the Arif that Rao is talking about is not Siddiqui!!! LoL!! You pathetic liars do not even know how to lie.

Now show where have I acknowledged that I gave up my "DEEN" for money. And oo La La, "you are making more money than this rodent rat" ... as a taxi driver? LoL! I am happy you are making more money than I am and I hope you always make more money than I. Happy? Now show where did I say that I gave up your death cult for money. That is a lie and you are just a good little true follower of Muhammad. He was a liar as well. He had no problems authorizing his followers to lie to assassinate those who he did not like.

See if you can bring your self to answer any questions posed to you? Why does you Allah want humans to torture other humans to death? Why is simply killing not good enough for him? Why does he condemn humans to being savages going around cutting off limbs of others? Why does he want humans to stone others to death?

Have you ever seen another human being stoned to death, Siddiqui in Germany? I have. Try it sometime and then ask why is your Allah so blood thirsty? Why does he enjoy torturing his own creation so much? Why so much sadism? He will torture for eternity? Why, Siddiqui, why?

Why do muslims feel the need to lie to defend their death cult?

How I have to call your name, either as Kaffir or as a MURTID? No need to shy, both words seem to be very suitable as per your deed.
Dear A. Rao, do not argue with such a braggart guy, just for the sake of monetary gain, he became Murtid. I am in Germany, making more money than this rodent rotten rat, who gave up his DEEN for the sake of financial gain, as he ultimatley acknowledged.

From all of your quotes and references, it confirms I belief that your heart is realy been sealed with darkness. No cure for cancer, you silly guy.

Either you are MURTID or KAFFIR, I do not care. Just feel sorry that ultimatley your destination will be in HELL-FIRE.

A. Rao writes: " O Kaffir!
You are a MURTID really, I was not guessing but I was sure that such a dirty work only MURTID can have in his mind. Shaytan was also an ALIM but he was arrogant like you.
There is no need to get indulge with a MURTID whose heart has already been sealed with DARKNESS. Sorry to say its useless make rationale arguments with an irrationale guy"

And yet one more time, no answer to questions asked but instead the mindless and silly ranting of those whose brains have been shut down by irrational fear. Why cannot you answer simple questions?
Now let us examine the stupidity of what you quote from the Quran to see what it really says about your savage allah.

Allah is all knowing. When he creates a kafir, a murtid, he knows that he is creating someone who will reject Islam, does he not? Of course he does. Can he change what he creates? Of course he can, but he chooses not to. Then does his creation have any real choice to not reject Islam? No. For he did then Allah would be wrong but allah can never be wrong. And before you go into your silly free will in Islam nonsense make sure you read what your Imams have written about it. And then your Allah is going to turn around and burn his own creation for eternity? Burn after creating and making sure that his creation cannot do anything what Allah does not will? What kind of a monster do you worship?

2:007 SHAKIR: Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing and there is a covering over their eyes, and there is a great punishment for them.

Allah set the seal, no one else. It is not the deeds of the human that cause it, but Allah wills it.

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YUSUFALI: Say: "Think ye, if Allah took away your hearing and your sight, and sealed up your hearts, who - a god other than Allah - could restore them to you?" See how We explain the signs by various (symbols); yet they turn aside.

And then Allah boasts that he is the only one who can fix it!! No one else.

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YUSUFALI: This because they love the life of this world better than the Hereafter: and Allah will not guide those who reject Faith.

Here is Allah explicitly tells that he will not guide those who reject faith!! First he creats knowing that they they will reject faith. Then he actually seals their hearing and their hearts to guarantee that they could not come back even if they could, and then to make sure he says he will not guide them? He actually misleads them?

Mankind is starting to learn about what those who love death and the hereafter more than they love life are doing around the world. All the jihadis who are blowing themselves up never tire of telling the kafirs that. So we know.

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YUSUFALI: Those are they whose hearts, ears, and eyes Allah has sealed up, and they take no heed.
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YUSUFALI: Without doubt, in the Hereafter they will perish.

He seals up the hearts, ears and eyes of those he created knowing fully well they would reject and then he will not even guide them? And you want humanity to believe in this Allah? And for this he will burn them in Fire for eternity? You really believe in this crap and expect humanity in the 21st century to take you seriously?

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YUSUFALI: Thus does Allah seal up the hearts of those who understand not.
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YUSUFALI: That is because they believed, then they rejected Faith: So a seal was set on their hearts: therefore they understand not.

And do you know what good people call some one who intentionally prevents people from learning and finding truth? How many times does your Allah have to say that He is the one who seals the hearts of the Kaffir, and will not guide them, and will not allow them to hear or see?

Is this a deity that one should worship? You have to be kidding, but unfortunately I know you are not. You are trapped in your death cult out of sheer fear of the fire of Hell. Little childre grow out of scary tales but you two are trapped in your cult and will condemn your next generation to it as well.

Arif Siddiqui,

Instead of answering any question at all, you want to start quoting Kafirs of old that the muslims trot out every now and then to lie to the ignorants. Tell me did George Bernard Shaw become a muslim? He did not and why not? Since when is George the know all of all knowledge. He did not know Islam. And why is Malcolm X any authority on Islam? Have you ever read his doubts and questions on islam just before he was assasinated. Ofcourse not.

Whether I am more knowledgable than them or not, I have asked couple of questions and the two of you are tying yourself in pretzels trying to avoid answering them. Why? Did Einstein know how to cook an upside down cake? Geez, the great genius did not even know how to cook? What kind of logic is that? Answer the questions and stop trying to bring in totally irrelevant issues about long dead people and their opinions on issues without any context at all. So you think good ole George was never wrong? Lol!!

And I guess you sitting in india would naturally think that someone rejects Islam because of money. Are you that poor?

Here is a small question for you: Why does your Allah order people to torture other humans to death? Why does he order people to cut limbs off? Do you think these punishments are humane or cruel? Why such barbaric and savage punishments? Your prophet burned the eyes of the Ukl tribesmen. He burned their eyes, he cut off their limbs, he bled them to death under a hot sun, and he denied those bleed to death water when they begged for it. Simple death for the crime of murder was not enough, your prophet had to torture the men to death. Is this the Sharia you want humanity to adopt? Is this the religion you lie to the ignorant kafirs? Go ahead let the kafirs hear your answer, or turn tail and run as most muhammadans are wont to do when asked to really defend their cult of death.

O Kaffir!

You are a MURTID really, I was not guessing but I was sure that such a dirty work only MURTID can have in his mind. Shaytan was also an ALIM but he was arrogant like you.

There is no need to get indulge with a MURTID whose heart has already been sealed with DARKNESS. Sorry to say its useless make rationale arguments with an irrationale guy

Kaffir!

You are really "Father of Ignorance", and braging that you have full knowledge of Islam. Look silly guy, I was approaching and expressing my ideas in an ethical manner. You are adopting the path of irranationale, a kind of fanatism, and hatred toward Islam. Look at this quote from Goethe: “You see, this teaching never fails; with all our systems, we cannot go, and generally speaking no man can go, further”.
Also open your bilnded heart and eyes:
Malcolm X : “America needs to understand Islam,” he wrote, “because this is the one religion that erases from its society the race problem”.

Look silly guy covered with ignorance:

Sir George Bernard Shaw in 'The Genuine Islam,' Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936.

"If any religion had the chance of ruling over England, nay Europe within the next hundred years, it could be Islam."
“I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion for from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Savior of Humanity."

"I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today.”

Open question: Are you more knowledgeable than the above wonderfull people quote have been taken?

Kaffir!, I think you change your original religion for the sake of monetry gain, and spilling out your cobra venom agaist "The Relgion of Peace"
Do not shy! God is Merciful and Compassionate. Revert back to your earlier Deen whatever you were. I wish that your heart can repent for yor sinful acts, whatever you made mistakes!

Do not feel ashamed of to acknowledge the "TRUTH".
There is always hope for Nirvana/Salvation. Do not be embarrassed to get hold of back your orginal faith? Study more to find your own mistakes rather than the others. Your shallow empty knowledge is really very dangerous, and misguiding to the people who are tring to seek guidance and peace. TRUTH seekers can always find the TRUTH but not the ignorant guy.
We firmly believe to accomodate all walks of life, even somebody's heart is covered with darkness, hatred and venom. We assist in provding spirtual healing who has some sort of mental disorder, as well as plagued with hallucination with full of hatred against Islam.
Good luck! ultimately one day you will get Salvation from the Lord of the Lords though you rebelled. He is Merciful and there always a chance to revert to the "TRUTH", He is FORGIVING.

Kaffir!

You are really "Father of Ignorance", and braging that you have full knowledge of Islam. Look silly guy, I was approaching and expressing my ideas in an ethical manner. You are adopting the path of irranationale, a kind of fanatism, and hatred toward Islam. Look at this quote from Goethe: “You see, this teaching never fails; with all our systems, we cannot go, and generally speaking no man can go, further”.
Also open your bilnded heart and eyes:
Malcolm X : “America needs to understand Islam,” he wrote, “because this is the one religion that erases from its society the race problem”.

Look silly guy covered with ignorance:

Sir George Bernard Shaw in 'The Genuine Islam,' Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936.

"If any religion had the chance of ruling over England, nay Europe within the next hundred years, it could be Islam."
“I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion for from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Savior of Humanity."

"I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today.”

Open question: Are you more knowledgeable than the above wonderfull people quote have been taken?

Kaffir!, I think you change your original religion for the sake of monetry gain, and spilling out your cobra venom agaist "The Relgion of Peace"
Do not shy! God is Merciful and Compassionate. Revert back to your earlier Deen whatever you were. I wish that your heart can repent for yor sinful acts, whatever you made mistakes!

Do not feel ashamed of to acknowledge the "TRUTH".
There is always hope for Nirvana/Salvation. Do not be embarrassed to get hold of back your orginal faith? Study more to find your own mistakes rather than the others. Your shallow empty knowledge is really very dangerous, and misguiding to the people who are tring to seek guidance and peace. TRUTH seekers can always find the TRUTH but not the ignorant guy.
We firmly believe to accomodate all walks of life, even somebody's heart is covered with darkness, hatred and venom. We assist in provding spirtual healing who