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I didn't know how much of a thug Chucky (or is it now the Rev. Chucky) was/is until I read his memo re: Katharine Graham's breasts and the Nixon gang's comments on what they would like to do to them. I have a question for Chucky: Most normal people do not habitually and naturally think in terms of wringing breasts as a form of humor --- is it just religious people who think this sort of thing because they feel that they can then get away from total public disgust by claiming that they were absolved by their personal God? Witness David Vitter for example in a rather similar disconnect between later pronouncements and earlier conduct. I just love the sonorous pronouncements re: religious and moral issues from people with not a shred of human decency.

PP,

I know, I practically got whiplash from the turn about. Ahh well...as you say, that's monotheism for you.

Maybe its a lack of something...like the element Air. lol
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Ah, Terra, I wouldn't worry... Seems we went from 'Eclati-Ons' to 'Eclati-offs' in a matter of weeks.

Such is monotheism, I suppose. :)

Jozevz On: Superstupidstitious Man Made, not ECLAT made Rituals

Your posts are too hard for me to read...I have vision problems and I used to think you had something of value to say, so I would trod through them...I was wrong.

Oh and the moniker is Terra Gazelle...
terra

""One acquires most of their prejudices by age 18."

But one can choose how much these may own us, at least.

Shearer and other religiously demented robots
are no different from the 9/11 wackos who were
so convinced that their god actually existed,that they
exploded themselves into oblivion to be with Him.
Religion is the stupidest and most dangerous force
the modern world faces at this time.
We should stop brainwashing our children into believing
in a supernatural world of gods and fairies,
it is a sin that may result in the end
of civilization as we know it.

Hi John Lofton,

Hi Canyon Shearer,

Surrender unto Lord Krishna. He is the only one who can give you moksha (loosely translated as salvation).

sarva dharman parithyajya maamekam sharanam vraja |
aham thwaam sarva paapebhyo mokshayishyaami maa shuchah ||

"Forsake all dharmas (religions) and surrender unto me alone. I will absolve you of all sins and grant you moksha. Do not grieve."

Bhagavadgeetha 18:66

So, start today. Forsake everything else. Surrender unto Him. You can worship him in very simple ways.

pathram pushpam phalam thoyam yo me bhakthya prayacchathi |
tadhaham bhaktyupahrutham asnaami prayathaathmanaha ||
Bhagavadgeetha 9:26

"If one offers Me with love and devotion a leaf, a flower, fruit or water, I will accept it."

Read the Geetha, starting with Saankya - Chapter 2. You will be enlightened.

Get yourself from darkness to light - "Thamasoma Jyothirgamaya".

The comments of Canyon Shearer and John Lofton are perfect examples of the intellectual, moral and ethical bankruptcy of Christianity.

Chuck Colson writes, in part; re: a Hindu praying before a session of our Congress: "I personally don’t see any problem with representatives of a religion, practiced by the members, praying."

The question here, of course, is not what Colson "personally" has "any problem" with. The question is: WHAT DOES GOD SAY, the God of the Bible, the one, true God, the only God there is? He says prayers that are not in the Name of Jesus -- the Name above ALL names -- don't get past the ceiling. They are not heard. Non-Christian "prayers" are useless, just people talking into the air, wasting time.

John Lofton, Editor, TheAmericanView.com
Recovering Republican
JLof@aol.com

Who says the followers of Baal are dead...who says Baal is?

Cow headed god?
Ba'al is a northwestern semitic word that means Lord or Master. It is a honoric that many Gods and humans were called. AND no Ba'al was Cow headed. You are talking about the Golden Calf? Chances are that was Hathor...the Cow headed Goddess of Egypt, the Hebrews were headed out of Egypt at the time. Hathor,the Egyptian Goddess of Abundance, Joy and Beauty. The Cow head represented the nurtureing that she gave, like a cow gives sustanance, so Hathor gives.

Maybe Shearer you need to bone up on facts and not hearsay from those who have an ax to grind against a competive religion.
terra

Chuck comes clean at last (or at least as clean as possible for a convicted felon).

He is all for religion in public places, but only his religion. Not other people's.

Oooopsss P.S.:Chuck et al; INDIA, during the "Cold war" a/k/a "Red-Scare" besides being Allies with CUBA , India was friends with U.S.S.R. and PAKISTAN with Communist 'RED-CHINA"!

So like our great "SECULAR-KING" Mr. President said, "TRUST BUT VERIFY"!? Oh,

I Doff me Hat Off To Mrs. Secular First Sweetheart "QUEEN-LAURA" Bush! [She Looks exactly like me Ex wife too.] < ?:+)' Great Job. Ya!

G-D Bless the American secular KING! Ya Ya. SO;

VOTE ((((( Peace-Love-Rock-n-Roll-n-Rap, Mitt-ROMNEY for Prez 08, Ya! )))))

"May xtra-Photons Shine On America & Friends"

Remember; As Holy Cosmic feeling & aware Heuristicals, WE NEVER CAN DIE! Just try to do the right thing! And if you do the wrong thing, then just don't get caught. Ya? Ya!

Canyon, you are still on here? Haven't you embarassed yourself enough? AIDS is certainly less "freely distributed" than most respiratory illnesses, don't you think? Ofcourse, you wouldn't know that because you don't study facts, you just throw nonsense that relates to your religious beliefs. How can America be free from sin? Your Christian ilk have hijacked it to wage war on unbelievers. I think murder is far worse than masturbation - considering you are eliminating one of God's creations, but I suppose a spade is a spade in your eyes. I pray that no one is stupid enough to agree with you.

You know, Mr. Shearer, you are the only person on this thread to criticize Mr. Colson for not being bigoted enough. May the Yama Kings be so gracious as to allow you to reincarnate as an African Animist. Best to start with the basics. Blessed Be.

You know, it's funny. This controversy is exactly what worried James Madison when he spoke out against
having chaplains in the Congress.

It's too bad he wasn't listened to.

But of course, since Bill Clinton closed down all houses of worship in the Washington area, there really is no place for the Senators to worship but at their place of work.

What's that? Those houses of worship are still open and available for everyone?

Silly me.

Mr. Colson,

I try very hard to maintain brotherly love and compassion in regards to you, but sometimes you make it very difficult.

What I got from your title was that if the United States or it's Senate became overwhelmingly Hindu, then Hindu prayers would be appropriate.

I'm reminded that the tenets of Christianity stand alone from its believers. If tomorrow all Bible's disappeared, and God removed the lampstand so that NO-ONE, not a single soul, believed in God, Jesus Christ, or Creation, this would not change the truth, nor Their existence.

So the question is should we pray to the god Baal, despite all of his followers being dead, or should we pray to the only God that actually hears prayers? Keep in mind that at one point Baal had a great representation in Israel, having over 450 prophets to every one of YHWH's.

A swift and painful death came upon the followers of the cow-god Baal, they were idol worshippers, they ignored YHWH, they abandoned the Commandments, they followed after their own lusts. Sound like the United States? We prayed to the cow-god Brahma, we worship money and possessions, we ignore God, we have authorized the slayings of 50 million unborn babies, we allow AIDS to be freely distributed resulting in 1 in 4 AIDS related deaths to be a child, pornography is available on daytime tv, not only so, but every lie we've told makes us a liar, every thing stolen makes us a thief, and every hateful word makes us a murderer in God's sight.

The Prophets of Baal prayed all the day long in vain. Our Hindu Chaplain likewise prayed in vain.

If the prophets of Baal deserved to die, then we deserve death all the more.

This nation is in a spiritual drought, and praying to a pagan god is not the key to downpour, neither is claiming that the Hindu prayer was wrong because it didn't represent the people.

The Hindu prayer was wrong because it didn't represent God.

But even while we hated God and proved as much through our actions, He loved us and sent His only begotten Son to die for our sins. This nation is in need of repentance and prayer to the true God, and the lampstand will be restored, the light will again shine on the United States; once again we shall be the city on the hill.

Only then will God deliver us from this drought though living waters being poured out upon us because America will be dead to sin and have the blessing of God; not of Baal, not of Brahma, not of Mother Earth, but of the true God.

Pray not to YHWH because He holds the majority representation, rather pray to Him that He become the ONLY representation.

Att: Hindu Amer Lawyer: Interesting. ya ya!

Hey Chuck:

This may be overkill given the comments so far but here is a few things to chew on. The Senate is our house and by that I mean the people's house ... not owned any one senator or congressman. All faiths and nonfaiths have a right to access the houses of power including having the right and privilege in leading our representatives (their employees) in pray. That includes Hindus, Sikhs, Wiccans, Muslims, etc. Given that Americans of all faiths and beliefs have built this nation including fighting to defend this nation, we are all owed that fundlemental right. Look around old man, take a hard look at who are fueling our economy, teaching your great grandchildern, leading our military, caring for the sick and dying, etc.. If you take an unbias look you will see many Hindus, Sikhs, Muslims along with their Christian and Jewish brother and sisters.

Your religous bigotry and arogance is not only unAmerican, it is the reason that true unity is still a dream. The sooner the generation of division and intolerence passing through to evermore the better we will all be.

Oh chuck since when did you start to conceal your bigotry. Dont be shy chuck say the obvious. Read your own post and tell me you dont smell bigotry.

Anonymous:
Who is paying to post your lies:AIPAC or AEI?

hey chuck... maybe we should firebomb the guy for not being 'representative' of 100 out of some 300 million americans.

maybe we'll draw up an Enemy List of all the 'unrepresentative' faiths.

i'd say Rajan Zed's more representative of the this country's values than yourself, colson.

Chuck, once a pious nincompoop, always a pious nincompoop. That is about as polite as I can get when it comes to you!

I have a deep respect for religious people, although I take a much more secular/metaphorical view of "God." It is because of my respect for religiosity (and true religiosity is about embracing others, love, etc., not violence, exclusion, hatred) that I believe that prayer in a place like the Senate is simply inappropriate. If individual Senators want to get together in a prayer circle, the same way that students can do so on their own in public schools, fine.

But, next best is to have different religions represented. It is not important what the Senators' religions are. The Capitol is not the Senators' building. It is all Americans' building, and the prayer is not for the benefit of the Senators but rather a means of sanctifying the important work of democracy, which belongs to everyone, not just to the Senators. Therefore, what matters is the effort and respect demonstrated by including religions other than Judaism and Christianity.

Mr. Colson airs an interesting proposition. His talent for political ingenuosity and specious ploys are unattenuated from his days as hatchetman and dirty-tricks specialist for Dick Nixon.

Logically, by his argument, the Christian religion should be barred from the prayers of the Capitol Hill chaplaincy, for there quite obviously are no real Christians among the House and Senate. This is a truism that needs almost no argument.

Name just one of them who might qualify as a 100-percent practitioner of Christ's teachings? Dennis Kucinich, maybe? Who else? The vast majority are simply "cultural Christians" who put up a vulgar front of superficial piety while grubbing for money, power and fame. They have little to do with Jesus's teachings of an enlightened spirit, humbleness, love and freedom from material things. They are Caesar's people, not Christ's.

Easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a U.S. senator to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. Let's abolish hypocrisy and end these Capitol expressions of it once and for all. Let them all quietly seek inspiration or salvation in the privacy of their own hearts and souls, and in the goodness of the way they live their lives, or not, as they may see fit.

when there were no women in the senate, you would have argued that electing a women to the senate was not representative.

continue to keep your head in your butt, since it would not be representative to hold it anywhere else.

"If there were Hindu members of the Senate, then it would be appropriate from a pastoral sense. If there is not a member being represented in the Senate, then there would be no point in having a Hindu pray because, as I understand it, this is a prayer for the Senators."

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with this. But since you state it so affirmatively, I would like to know what source you may cite to justify this claim. From where do you "understand it?" Something in the Senate bylaws perhaps?

Mr. Colson,

How dare you! Every American should know Senators (and Representatives) represent the American people and therefore NOTHING they do in their professional capacity, including listen to a prayer in the Senate, is solely for their own personal benefit! You should be ashamed as an American not to know this simple piece of civic fact. Surely you know that there are Hindus in the United States? Surely you do not believe that a Seventh Day Adventist prayer would be inappropriate?

Merry Meet, all! Anyone feel like a red-headed stepchild?

Mr. Colson wrote:

"If there were Hindu members of the Senate, then it would be appropriate from a pastoral sense. If there is not a member being represented in the Senate, then there would be no point in having a Hindu pray because, as I understand it, this is a prayer for the Senators."

Part of the Actual Text of the Prayer:

"May the Senators strive constantly to serve the welfare of the world, performing their duties with the welfare of others always in mind, because by devotion to selfless work one attains the supreme goal of life. May they work carefully and wisely, guided by compassion and without thought for themselves."

Responding:

I knew Mr. Colson would find some way--some angle by which to question or challenge the giving of a prayer so "foreign" to his own conception of appropriate religion. Never mind that the current Senate staff chaplain is a Seventh-Day Adventist, of which there are *none* in the Senate. Never mind that the Hindu and South Asian communities are consistently comparatively high in their per capita income and achievement of the American Dream. Never mind that Sikhs and Hindus came to this country in the 19th century playing significant roles in the economic development of the West and Northwest. Never mind that the Senators are elected to serve their constituents, including taxpaying American Hindus. Never mind that the actual prayer spoke of the relationships between the Senate and larger world in which it has an impact. Never mind that Hinduism is the 3rd largest religious tradition in the entire world.

If there is any way to exclude or challenge "foreign" religions from the American public sphere, then I'm sure Mr. Colson will find it.

"If there were Hindu members of the Senate, then it would be appropriate from a pastoral sense. If there is not a member being represented in the Senate, then there would be no point in having a Hindu pray because, as I understand it, this is a prayer for the Senators."

The Senators may not care to pray along with any given invocation, Rev Colson, but that doesn't mean that the government is meant to *represent and only hear from* members of the majority religion, that's their right as well.

But if this were about prayer, not silencing non-Abrahamics who get an 'at-bat,' then, I'm sure the demonstrators who disrupted the invocation were careful to make sure there weren't any Hindu 'Abominators' present.

Right?

Bah.

Senators are elected by the majority, not to erase the minorities, but also to *represent them.*

Frankly, the rampant ignorance of other faiths we hear from Christian members of government means they could really use a little exposure to the beliefs of the people they're supposed to be serving.

Contrary to what is obsessively-said, Christians aren't the only patriotic taxpaying Americans out there.

Frankly, if the Christians been blessing that gathering all this time, maybe they could use a little extra input.

Chuck Colson: "If there were Hindu members of the Senate, then it would be appropriate from a pastoral sense."

The Senators are not there simply to serve their own needs. They are there to serve the needs of the American people.
The prayer is not for the Senators alone. As I understand it, it is supposed to be a prayer for them to be able to faithfully serve the American people. And since some of the American people they serve ARE Hindu, a Hindu prayer (or a Wiccan prayer, or a Buddhist prayer, or a secular meditation - I could go on, but I think you get the picture) is every bit as appropriate as a Christian prayer.
If we are going to insist on keeping opening prayers in Congress, then those prayers need to reflect the beliefs of ALL the people Congress serves, not just one group.

First off the Senate does not belong to the Senators, but to the people, and some of those people are Hindu. Are you under the mistaken idea that the senators paid the bills in that house? We do; Christians, Muslims, Hindu,Wiccans and every other person that pays their taxes and those who fight and die in the wars of this country, owns the Legislature, Justice and Executive branches...

I was watching C-Span during the Hindu invocation...what happened to this man was not only rude but unAmerican. It was shameful that Americans would disgrace the Constitution in that way.

Chuck, maybe you would not have gotten in the trouble you did if you remembered that neither you nor Nixon owned any part of the government. You were supposed to be caretakers...WE, sir, were the landlords.

Maybe if the people paid closer attention to what was said in that invocation, people would have gotten the message of unity and peace.

terra

Aug 1, 08:53
Finally, The Smoking Gun
One of the most fascinating exhibits presented by the prosecution in the Holy Land Foundation case (provided by researchers for the NEFA Foundation) is a memorandum on the Muslim Brotherhood’s multifaceted plan to convert the United States to an Islamic nation. It is the smoking gun of the Ikhwan’s long-standing efforts to destroy the Western world as we know it.

The most interesting exhibit is a Muslim Brotherhood memorandum by Mohamed Akram, dated May 22, 1991, where he outlines the Ikhwan vision of the future. He leaves no ambiguity as to the nature of the Ikhwan calling. (The exhibits will be posted and written about more completely in the NEFA website in coming days).

Under the heading “Understanding the role of the Muslim Brother in North America,” he writes:

“The process of settlement is a ‘Civilization-Jihadist Process’ with all the word means. The Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and ‘sabotaging’ its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated ad God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.”

But wait, there is more:

“Without this level of understanding, we are not up to this challenge and have not prepared ourselves for Jihad yet. It is a Muslim’s destiny to perform Jihad and work wherever he is and wherever he lands until the final hour comes, and there is no escape from that destiny except for those who chose to slack.”

Akram then spells out in some detail the role of the Brotherhood in moving the project forward: “As for the role of the Ikhwan, it is the initiative, pioneering, leadership, raising the banner and pushing people in that direction (the Jihadist process). They are then able to employ, direct, and unify Muslims’ efforts and powers for this process. In order to do that, we must possess a master of the art of ‘coalitions,’ the art of ‘absorption’ and the principles of ‘cooperation.’”

The document then gives rationale for setting up Ikhwan organizations across the country: “We must say that we are in a country which understands no language other than the language of the organizations, and one which does not respect or give weight to any group without effective, functional and strong organizations.”

The document also deals with the criticism among the Brothers that the focus on the United States will drain support for the establishment of the global caliphate. The response is two-fold:
1) “The success of the Movement in America in establishing an observant Islamic base with power and effectiveness will be the the best support and aid to the global Movement project.”
2) The global (Ikhwan) movement has not “succeeded yet in distributing roles to is branches, stating that what is needed from them as one of the participants or contributors to the project to establish the global Islamic state. The day this happens, the children of the American Ikhwani branch will have a far-reaching impact and positions that make the ancestors proud.”

The document ends with a list of Ikhwan groups trying to coordinate, including all the usual (ISNA, ICNA, IIIT etc.)

What is so interesting about the document is the breadth of ambition, the conviction of ultimate success and the care with which the campaign we see today was being thought about 16 years ago. So is the the clarity of the ultimate objective of ending our years as a functioning democracy, built on the rule of secular law, minority rights and freedom of religion, press etc.

The infiltration of the government by members and sympathizers, the coordinated role of the organizations in pursuing specific objectives, the recruitment of the best and the brightest into the movement, and other objectives are far advanced, perhaps further than the author could have imagined in so short a time.

The rationale, for those like Lieken et al who want play footsie with these groups bent on our destruction, is truly mindboggling. I don’t think the Brothers who have been on the cusp of the new PR campaign, from Ramadan to Akef, have bothered to spell this out like the Brothers do for themselves.

But here we have it, in their own words, written by their own hands. There is much more to say, and I will revisit the topic as more information comes in.

Will anyone pay attention?

posted by Douglas Farah

Someone has to quietly and calmly present the evidance you have shown, without name calling where ever Ikhwan forces choose to speak in the US.

Ikhwan spokesman then have 3 choices:

-deny and call you names

-change the subject abruptly

-question your integrity

But either way this information is