What does pro life mean? It seems that the concern applies only to the unborn fetus! Living humans are largely ignored! 28,000 children starve to death every day!!!
The paralized and deseased could benefit if all the misguided energy could be spent on the ones amongst us who are actually breathing. Hunger could be wiped out if the churches would let go of some of their assets and do what they claim to do: help preserve human life!
But then again if a simple pastor in NY gets 600G a year, there can't be much left for the poor:
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2009/04/22/2009-04-22_new_riverside_church_pastor_rev_brad_braxtons_600k_compensation_prompts_parishio.html

Catholics prefer to take care of their own child abusing priests by moving them around the unsuspecting country, rather than turning them into authorities. Their biggest worry in the abortion fight is making dang sure there are enough victims around for later.

They do not want to take care of all the kids out there right now who are suffering from neglect and abuse. They refuse to work for social programs to assist the millions of single parents out there, and all but 3 republicans voted against the stimulus which will help all members of society.

Palin doesn't want the part of the stimulus that will assist with education and social services! It would help the millions out there with birth defects--like her own son has.

You church folks need to start walking your talk. Right now, you are nothing but a bunch of hypocrites--you condradict yourselves at every turn, and it is disgustingly obvious.

Religion should not be a part of politics.

But politicians who take money from anti-abortion lobbyists are okay, right? Even though over 50% of the country believes that a woman should have the right to choose during the first trimester?

Wake up and smell the reality, people. YOU. ARE. BEING. PLAYED. The health insurance and pharmaceutical companies are against Sebelius because she is for health care reform. So, they send out their talking points to their obedient pro-life leaders to whip up their followers against her. Dig a little deeper and find out what's really going on here.

Is Sebelius a moderate on abortion? It sure doesn't seem that way, because she takes money from the abortion lobby.

While you might have a point if the politician was looking for middle ground on the issue, too many of these Catholic politicians are radical extremists.

A women's right to choose in every case is an extermist position. It even allows abortion for sex selection. Maybe you should rethink your position on suggest a more concrete agenda for change

"Athena4---Your statement that the Catholic Church should stay out of politics applies to every faith, not just Catholicism. What about the nutty Protestants?"

Them, too. And lest anybody feel left out, AIPAC.

Oh, and truth IS relative, depending on your perspective. Ever see the movie "Rashomon"? Or view a court case that depended solely on eyewitness testimony? 1000 years ago, the "truth" was that kings ruled by the will of God, the Earth was the center of the Universe, and demons and witches caused everything from crop blights to mental illness. None of that is considered to be the "truth" today. Well, maybe the "kings" part if you're a Brit, Swede, Dane, Dutch, Thai, or Japanese.

Globalone - what is your absolute truth? And I did have some liberal-leaning college profs - back in 1967.

If you're able to capture absolute truth in a paragraph or less (or more), I would like to hear it.

Please remember that it can't have anything to do with science or religion, because nothing is more relative than these two human cultural traditions. Of the two, only science generally admits to this quality of relativity, however.

Also, anthing with an absolute nature must completely encompass humanity and in fact all life forms, otherwise how could the absolute have congress with the relative, and visa versa?

These two dimensions are by definition infinitely separate and forever 'other'.

This is a dilemma verging on paradox......

"Fortunately, truth is absolute. If you believe otherwise, I can only assume that you fell into the "truth is relative" trap set for you by your liberal-leaning college professors."
Posted by Globalone

What truth? The truth that man is in need of forgiveness of sin, or that man is in need of enlightenment? The truth that homosexuality is a sin or that love is all that matters, and how it is expressed doesn't matter at all? The truth that God condemns those that don't follow one (your favorite) religion, or the truth that there are as many routes to God as there are people in the world? The truth that we live once, and then go on to eternity, that we live many times, or that there is no eternal life? I could go on and on. Whatever you believe, someone thinks it's nonsense. And they could be right.

Truth IS relative. So is time, space, and belief. Welcome to physics. Welcome to quantum mechanics. Welcome to philosophy.

This is why many people don't trust conservative Christians in power. They can't seem to understand that all they have is an opinion, that other opinions can be as valid as theirs when no facts are in evidence. And when facts are in evidence (evolution, anyone,) they trump opinion.

Fact (and truth) have a definition. So does opinion. If you aren't sure of the difference, I would suggest a dictionary

Persiflage,

Fortunately, truth is absolute. If you believe otherwise, I can only assume that you fell into the "truth is relative" trap set for you by your liberal-leaning college professors.

CCNL is brimming with his typical biting insincerity, but rendered with atypical parsimony. Imagine getting him down to a single sentence. Buddha indeed!!

Persiflage aka "The Modern Buddha" is with us today. And Buddha's way is the final version of all Truth and Reality.

Sorry - make that petulant....'showing sudden irritation, especially over some trifling annoyance; peevish'... (an attitude most unbecoming in a man of high, if self-declared, academic accomplishment).

After a couple of years here, all we have are what we've always had - opinions.

We have seen a few folks declare REALITY AND TRUTH - more than once....and we all know that unless it's your very own REALITY AND TRUTH, it has the weight of mere opinion.

Fortunately, Governor Sebelius has sufficient character not to be put off by folks that make every attempt to leverage their own version of REALITY AND TRUTH.

We've all got a version, haven't we??

Athena,

Your continued disregard for the truth is staggering.

Also, it might be of help to understand that President Bush was not 100% pro-life. He supported procured abortion in cases of rape or incest. He also noted in his 2000 campaign that he did not think Roe v. Wade needed to be overturned.

But to respond to your specific statement, "When Bush and the Republican Congress were in power, what did they do to limit abortions? Nothing"

Please see the following:

** 1/22/2001 - President Bush signed a memorandum reinstating the pro-life Mexico City policy that prohibits taxpayer money to fund organizations that promote or perform abortions overseas.

**11/10/2003 - President Bush signed into law legislation that made it illegal for abortions performed in the last trimester, (Partial birth abortion).

** 4/27/2005 - The House passed a bill (270-157) that would make it illegal to dodge parental-consent laws by taking minors across state lines for abortions.

Rich blessings.

Grow up CCNL - your vast (petulent) immaturity is showing through as usual.

A child in adult clothing...how did you get away with it all these years??

And the reincarnated Buddha aka Persiflage sets on the path to truth once again!! We know this to be true

Gov. Sebelius holds forth from the capital of one of our most conservative states. How often have fundamentalist religious forces in Kansas attempted to get creationism into the public school curriculum? Georgia has nothing on the state of Kansas!

Nevertheless, she exhibits a great deal of common sense when it comes to religion and politics, and policies that may realistically have a long-term impact on the self-determination of women and their reproductive rights.

Governing from the absolutist position of most anti-abortion proponents is a lose-lose proposition these days. The Supreme Court will never overturn Roe v Wade, and will hopefully have a more balanced and moderate judiciary in the very near future - thanks to projected future Obama appointments.

In many ways, it is indeed most fortunate that reason prevailed among a majority of voters this time around - the one and two issue right wingers were soundly and decisively defeated. Reasonable and less obtrusive governance finally became a prime voter mandate during this election cycle.

Sebelius will make an excellent Secretary of Health and Human Services, despite the insidious but dedicated religious forces (and their minions) banding together in an attempt to cram their brand of absolutism and fundamentalism down every one's throats with either the heavy hammer of the law and/or the threat of excommunication as their weapons of choice - all in the name of his satanic majesty, self-righteousness.

She really does show a great deal of common sense in the political trenches!

Sebelius' position on abortion is perfectly reasonable. She is in public office, and her Catholic faith, as with any faith, has no place in determining public policy. Although the Catholic Church is against abortion, there definitely are pro-choice Catholics. I want to see how she manaages health care. I was concerned that she was another politician who didn't pay all her taxes.

Athena4---Your statement that the Catholic Church should stay out of politics applies to every faith, not just Catholicism. What about the nutty Protestants?

When Bush and the Republican Congress were in power, what did they do to limit abortions?

Nothing.

They played the "pro-life" movement like a cheap fiddle. Just like they're being played now, because Sebelius is an advocate of health care reform. Follow the money...

What the Senate committees (Democrats and Republicans) should have asked Governor Sebelius and did not:

"Do you realize that President Obama became president because of the votes of 70 million "parents" of aborted children???"
( the math, one million abortions per year since 1973 (the Roe decision) x 35 years x 2 parents/voters = 70 million votes.)

And why were the Republican Senators not asking the same question??

(Who said there were no Republicans in BO's Immoral Majority? Based on the estimated number of "parents" of aborted children i.e. 70 million vs. the number of registered Democrats i.e. 42 million, there a large number of Republicans in the Immoral Majority.

"Nationwide, there are about 42 million registered Democrats and about 31 million Republicans, according to statistics compiled by The Associated Press.

The 2008 presidential popular vote

69,456,897 votes for BO, 59,934, 814 votes for JM - note the totals and differential vs. the numbers previously given for Immoral Majority members and registered Republicans/Democrats and -

BO could not lose!!!!

The Catholic Church should stay out of politics, unless they want their tax-exempt status to be revoked.