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I can hardly see a comparison between Life and Humanity Dignity issues on the one hand, and all the sundry issues that may or may not be the best ways to achieve social justice that Mr. Stevens-Arroyo mentions, on the other. The Issue of Life and Human Dignity itself is more far reaching than a particular health care plan, or whether illegal immigrants (from Mexico, which is the only immigration issue currently being discussed of any magnitude) are allowed to stay in our country. Even if we catagorize correctly and say it is a Image of God vs. Social Justice issue, I still say the protection of human life wins out easily.
Have a Good Day,
Steve

I am dumbfounded. For a mainstream publication in the US Capitol, you might expect at least one reader to have a clue about Catholicism. Sadly that appears not to be the case.

CANDIDE:

Priestly pedaphilia is the result of clerical celibacy. The celibacy rule encourages the wrong people to enter the priesthood and bars the right people. The wrong people are those afraid of heterosexual relations. They enter the priesthood as a sanctuary and they become abusers of young men and boys. I cannot guarantee that married priests would not molest boys but it is far less likely.

May 17, 2008 8:06 AM

CANDIDE:

If you know Catholic priests you know they are not healthy males.

May 17, 2008 4:45 PM

CANDIDE posted thus on Claire Hoffman's blog Odd Purity Ball:

The incidence of incest among evangelical is rather high.

May 21, 2008 12:44 PM

CANDIDE posted thus on Eboo Patel's blog Interfaith Work fit for a Queen:

On place to begin in explaining Islam and Muslims is this: the Jesus found in the Koran is a lot closer to the real Jesus than the Jesus of the Gospels. The real Jesus can be found by examining his earliest followers led by his brother James the Just. For them Jesus was a man, not a divine being, he was the True Prophet sent by God to purge Judaism of corruption. This Jesus was forgotten by Paul and the gentiles who fashioned a Jesus modeled after Hellenistic god-men. Islam inherited the Jewish Christian (Ebionite)view of Jesus more than any other group. The Koran is more right about Jesus than Christians can imagine.

May 22, 2008 2:45 PM

Comment

--- Anti-Catholic and anti-Evangelical (i.e. anti-Christian) comments posted by Muslim blogger, Candide serves merely to undermine the interfaith work done by Muslims like Eboo Patel and the Jordan Queen Rania. Too bad!

I find the censorship on this thread absloutely illogical, after reading the inane attacks on and in some cases equally inane defenses of The Church.

Canyon1 may have sounded over the top in their threats to take action; but also I had a post "held" for review, which contained nothing offensive.

If you ever have a post "Held" here, just accept it as a euphemism for 'Your post is being thrown in the electronic trash.'

If the post contained 'key' words which could be considered offensive and triggers automatic rejection by a filter, it's beyond me what they were.

Maybe the electronic censor needs to be serviced.

Vales:
My recommendation to you is not to stoop to Holy Cow's level when answering his posts. It is no better and no more true to call evangelicals equal to the KKK than it is when Holy Cow attacks the Catholic Church as the devil's religion. The goal should be to have an intellectual discussion, absent the hatred of the opposing position. Only in this way, can we learn from each other.

Holy Cow:
You are outdoing yourself today. Do you really believe what you say? Do you really believe that you are inspiring anyone else to believe it. You have such tremendous hatred for Catholicism that it is clouding your judgement. Do you ever stop to think about why you hate the Catholic Church so much? Certainly it can't be because the Church values human life. As a Christian fundamentalists, You don't support Abortion or Euthanasia, do you? Perhaps you support artificial birth control, but given the choice, wouldn't you also support abstinance for the unmarried, as do most strong fundamentalists? Why do you feel it necessary to unceasingly attack Catholicism in any venue you have? Don't you think people are best convinced by love and reason, rather than hatred and unvalidated attacks. If you want to convince us that your way is better, give us the positive attributes of your point of view, rather than the perceived negatives of the alternatives. What is it about your faith that is so much better than what the Catholics teach? If you are right, you might make some converts. Your current path can only attract haters.

The simple fact is that, abortion aside, Obama lives Catholic Christian values more than the bigot Hagee and his minions Bush and McCain. Bush's "conversion of heart" was aimed solely at getting votes in South Carolina and the Bible Belt, and winning the support of Pat Robertson and Hagee. McCain is simply a fraud on religion.
Both had daddies to propel their career. The underachieving McCain only got into the Naval Academy because of his family. It's not worth mentioning what family connections did for W.

Holy Cow (spiderman2),

Evangelicals = KKK = theology of prosperity = snake oil sales men...

You reject God-given reason and science (accepted by Catholic theology) for preachers in alligator shoes who have memorized the old testament...

PS - to say that China's one child policy and forced abortions etc. are not that bad....real quite an ignorant statement but, nothing new there from the holy rolling cow...

China , although Godless tries to curb it's population thru one-child policy. It may not be a good policy but it's much less evil than the CATHOLIC CYCLE.

India is a Hindu country. It may be a false religion but comparing it with Catholicism, I think Catholicism is more evil. At least they don't distort the Words of Christ coz they haven't heard of them. That gives them a cloak in Judgment Day.

Indonesia is populous but still thry make efforts to curb they population.

With Catholicism, BREED FAST AND THEN KILL FAST. ThEy oppose "abortion" just for a show and that they appear Godly - a trait similar to satan.

Hagee made a FOOL of himself. Why would he apologize if he's telling the truth?

somebody wrote "Way to go Catholic League - keep those bigots on their toes - I will be donating this year!"

Donate it directly to the people in need. If you donate it thru the catholic church or league, the devil will have a big cut of that money. Unless of course thatis your purpose. Knowingly or unknowingly, you're a part of that BIG CATHOLIC CYCLE.

Send in the money to keep the flames of hell burning.

Holy Cow is the poster formerly known as Spiderman2 and is a evangelical fundamentalist...you know, the ones who brought us the Iraq war and believe the world is 6000 years old...

Very smart group!

PS - the population explosions in the world are not in Catholic countries (China, India and Indonesia) - so try expanding your knowledge before continuing with your anti catholic propaganda and lies.

I believe all this catholic stand against abortion and contraception is not about "holiness" but more of their true father's (the devil) catholic cycle scheme.

THE CATHOLIC CYCLE

In one third world country where population explosion has become a major problem, Catholic chapels or centers offer free operation to untie the fallopian tubes of mothers after indoctrinating them that it's a SIN.

This devilish Church invent their own doctrines so parents would produce more children despite their abject poverty. With more extra children, they are forced to raise them with no proper education and decent meals and most of all, no future.

They then teach these poor people that their government is the cause of their poverty due to corruption but lo and behold those same government personnel are usually "devout catholics".

Some revolt (with the church's help of course) which cause more poverty and this has become a "CATHOLIC CYCLE" which I presume is routinely duplicated around the world.

To escape poverty, many go abroad adding more economic pressure to their countries of destination.

Catholic countries not only over populate, they produce extortionist rebels too. Had you wondered why there are no marxist rebels in Islamic countries but there are so many in catholic countries? It's because many of their priests support that ideology. They breed fast and then kill each other fast too. WHAT A CYCLE.

There are many things this church does which is outside our scope of detection. The devil could be using a much bigger cycle that is harder to detect. Consciously or unconsciously, all catholics is part of that grand cycle.

As all of us will, Jesus had a last supper but many historical Jesus studies indicate that no one really knows what happened at Jesus' last supper or what was said if anything. His "promise" of sending the Holy Spirit is only found in the last gospel i.e. John's gospel, the least historic of the four.

363-. Jesus' Supper Discourse: (1) John 13:31-17:26 wiki.faithfutures.org/index.php/363_Jesus_Supper_Discourse and wiki.faithfutures.org/index.php/016_Supper_and_Eucharist

Yeah, Hagee apologized to the Catholic Church, but he clearly did not go down without a fight. Thank heavens a copyeditor from his Texas "mega-church" intervened by revising the apology letter's first draft:http://www.236.com/news/2008/05/16/mccain_pal_apologizes_to_great_6562.php

Catholicism does not have a political platform - it has values that most members (and citizens) agree with...and therefore dislike both Obama (abortion) and McCain (war monger).

This is not to mention the millions in services (shelters, soup kitchens, hospitals, schools etc.) provided to both Catholics and non-Catholics.

Perhaps you would like to ban all Catholics from the voting, Comrade?

No other organization contributes on as large a scale to the benefit of society than the Catholic groups.

If you were brave, you would open you bigoted eyes.

There is no God. If you are not afraid of the phony God, then read "Letter to a Christian Nation"

However, Catholics are free to still believe in the fairy tale, but not free to use their religion as a Political platform unless they are taxed like any other Corporation.

So, the church should either give up all political affiliations and prononcements or start paying property taxes like everyone else.

Talking of elegance, how about;

There is no God but no God.
No God is what we got.
No Mars, no Thor, no Jupiter
No Vishnu, Zeus or Zotte.(sorry i had to invent Zotte; poetic necessity)
No Eros, Joad or Artemis
No Morpheus, Hebe, or Tyre
And if I said that gods were real
I'd be a godamned liar
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Ok I wont give up my truck driving job.

The popular culture is inherently anti-Catholic and has been since the founding of this country and irrational bias and hatred (a la evangelical Hagee or secular Maher) needs to be refuted forcefully for the ignorance and bigotry that it represents.

Way to go Catholic League - keep those bigots on their toes - I will be donating this year!

I love being Catholic -- and I try very hard to be obedient to the Church and practice what our Lord teaches. I am grateful that on so many issues my Church, my specific pastor, and my fellow parishioners recognize and respect differences of opinion. Yes, there are some things that just are wrong -- abortion being one of them Still, the reasons are not simple for why some find it an acceptable, but regrettable option. Denying them Communion also is wrong; it turns this sacred gift into a weapon & that is grossly inappropriate --especially when no one suggests denying it to those who support this so clearly immoral war, the death penalty, or fail to ensure our children are not neglected or abused.
As Catholics, we are called to love those with whom we disagree. True, every time I see or hear Mr. Donohue spewing his personal gospel of hatred and exclusion, I cringe -- and want to take out a full page add explaining that he is a self appointed hate monger who does NOT speak FOR most Catholics. But I am called to forgive and love him, and I will. That doesn't stop me from wanting him to just sit down and (sorry Lord) SHUT UP! He only gets air time because he is an extremist and a side show. As such, he poorly serves the Church and Jesus's mission.

I guess it is true that the best defense (when you really have none) is an offense. Why does this criticism of Mr. Donohue spark so many to bring up Barak Obama? Mr. Obama did nothing to bring himself into this blog -- so my guess is those who have introduced him, just look for an opportunity to do so.

Mr. Donohue is an angry, hate-filled man. I feel sorry for him. I wish so much that he wouldn't get so much attention because he paints such an ugly picture of Catholicism. He shows none of the love, compassion and humility of my Lord. He does not speak for me or any of my Catholic friends. He is a loud, blustering egomaniac. Like we don't have enough of those!

Dear Professor Stevens-Arroyo, Mary (Cunningham, London), Ryan, Paul and other Catholic visitors to this thread:

Happy Feast of the Holy Trinity! May we experience the joy and peace of Jesus, the gift of the Holy Spirit and the presence of God our Father, as He promised at the Last Supper as recorded in the Gospel of Johnes chapters 14-17.

Here an online experience of Catholic Mass (hopefully the link works!):

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4966005387057914077

It is my fervent prayer that non-Catholics may know Catholics are genuine Christians (and how misplaced anti-Catholic venom is) and why Catholics around the world feel as one sharing the same ritual and the Holy Sacrament Mass.

Soja John Thaikattil
Sydney, Australia

Candide you lonely and bitter slag, get a new hobby - your anti Catholic screeds are getting old.

If you are looking for wackos and bigots, look no further than your bathroom mirror...

Holy Cow, Candide,
why do you propagate hate propaganda that you know to be false , at least you should know it to be false if you've been paying attention to the responses to your frequent diatribes on this blog. Equating the progation of Gay marriage to the Catholic church is crazy, since the church condemns Gay marriage and has not been subtle about it. Saying that the priest pedophilia is a function of celibacy ha also been debunked numerous times. Remember, the percentage of pediophiles in the catholic clergy is smaller than in the population as a whole. Ad for religion being the opium of the masses, that's a bit condencending, don't you think? It does give people hope, but its not a narcotic and it definitely does no harm. I'm fine with having thoughtful discussions about church positions, but the constant hatred does no one any good.

Have you ever wondered why Fascism has been stronger in Catholic countries? Just listen to Bill Donohue and Pat Buchanan.

RELIGION AS OPIUM OF THE MASSES. What did Marx mean? He meant that the suffering masses had no consolation or painkiller except religion. He didn't criticize religion except as a false way of dealing with pain. Religion is indeed opium and not only of the masses. It appeals to many because they cannot cope. Unfortunately like dope it does more harm often than good.

Beware of False Prophets

In terms of occupancy, hell is much bigger than heaven coz many will go to that place of torment compared to those who will make it to heaven. One major factor why it is so is because of false religions or false prophets who propagate it.

In Matthew 7:13-15 Jesus said "...wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction (Hell), and many there be which go in thereat; ... strait (or limited in space) is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life (Heaven), and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets which come to you in sheep's clothing...".

The fact that God had said that many will go to hell and few to heaven just shows that these false prophets are much more effective in teaching their false doctrines than those who preach the true word of God. As a result, they have a much larger following.

It is very disappointing that many religions today use the name of Jesus Christ and that its priests or preachers act like they are His servants but in truth are really servants of the devil. It is equally disappointing that many members of these churches are easily duped into believing what they falsely teach.

Since the year 2001, four so called "Christian" nations have already legalized gay marriage. It's quite amazing that four nations (The Netherlands, Belgium, Spain and Canada) legalized it in just a span of 4 years. Next year, there could be another two or more and before we know it, other "Christian" nations would be following their lead just like popcorn. The only thing to blame in here is their practiced religion.

It should be noted that both Belgium and Spain are Catholic countries. Canada is 43% Catholic and 29% Protestant and most of its Protestant churches have linkups with the Catholic Church and other false religions thru its Ecumenical Movement. Their biggest protestant group, The United Church of Canada (UCC), previously stated that their church welcome "sexually active single adults, lesbian, gay and bisexual people into all aspects of the life and ministry of the Church". It means that they see nothing wrong with people engaged in fornication, adultery and same sex unions. If we read the Bible, these are the same people God will burn in Hell. Clearly, there are two conflicting messages here -- one from God and the other from the devil. Since their church unashamedly teach the devil's doctrine, it's more fitting that they should call their church as the United Devil's Church of Canada. That way, it would clear up things and there will be no mixups. The Netherlands, on the other hand, has become a secular state which means most of its populace has no religious affiliation. In Massachusetts, which currently is the only state in the U.S that have legalized gay marriage, 54% of its populace is Catholic and still rising..

This is just the cross-section of the kind of religions those people who supported gay marriage have. Most of them were Catholics, liberal Protestants that have linkups with other false religions and Secularists who are either aetheists or skeptics. All these religions or beliefs have one thing in common. They worship the same "God" but not the God in the Bible for in Romans 1:32 it states, "Who, knowing the judgment of God, that they who commit such things are worthy of death...".

When God speaks of death, He means everlasting hellfire. The people who approved of it never knew that they have stretched even wider what is already a very broad pathway to Hell. Most probably, they too are breezing thru that road themselves and on their way to destruction. No more stoplights for the lights or religions they attend to like the UCC have been signalling them to push on and run on full speed.

False religions are not that really hard to detect. Jesus said that "ye will know them by their fruits". So the next time another country, state or city legalizes gay marriage, examine what kind of religion those people who approved of it profess. And as sure as the sun rises from the east, those people would be either Catholic, liberal Protestants or Secularists.

When God says beware, one should not take it lightly. In Luke 12:5 Jesus said, "But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear Him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear Him."

But what makes it more fearsome is the fact that it cannot be appealed like what other false religions want to suggest by teaching reincarnation or purgatory. The judgment of God is final and wherever He puts us in, Heaven or Hell, that would be permanent. The same is the fire and the worms crawling in one's body. They too would be permanent. The worms won't die and the fire won't quench either. It really is a place of torment and it's really very sad if some foolish religion would send somebody there.

"Beware of false prophets", said the Lord. I hope everybody would really ponder on this one.

Karl Marx said, "Religion is the opium of the masses."

and

Barack Obama said, "(Midwesterners) cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

Priestly pedaphilia is the result of clerical celibacy. The celibacy rule encourages the wrong people to enter the priesthood and bars the right people. The wrong people are those afraid of heterosexual relations. They enter the priesthood as a sanctuary and they become abusers of young men and boys. I cannot guarantee that married priests would not molest boys but it is far less likely.

Sorry, Buster, you're all wet as per usual.

Donahue's shenanigans are as nothing next to the pathetic attempts by Obama's moonbat adorers to draw an equivalence between Hagee and Rev. Wright. There's no comparison between an endorser who happens to subscribe to an overwrought eschatology and a beloved mentor who happens to have a toxic sociopathic streak.

There is no Catholic party, but the Democrats are the party of atheism, pornography, the abortion industry, destruction of the family, restrictions on religious expression, and a godless government monopoly on education. Some choice.

i don't know bill donohue and from what i've read about him from some pretty believable sources, i don't intend to investigate further (brain cells are too precious). but i do know john hagee--not personally, but there are hundreds of thousands of john hagees, wherever protestant fundamentalism is preached. i grew up a southern baptist and i heard it until i headed for the door. no, i didn't convert, but neither do i darken the doors of that denomination any longer. the contempt for popery among my former brethren is visceral and historic, and it hasn't changed with hagee's convenient mea culpa. hagee's new found tolerance is about as sincere as donohue's charity. these two narrow minded bigots deserve each other. we don't.

Karl Marx said, "Religion is the opium of the masses." Quite clearly America is in need of serious drug rehab before this election or it would appear that we are going to get landed with more hell on earth!

This whole episode just shows how politics makes strange bedfellows. I was really waiting to see what happened to the religious right if Mitt Romney were nominated. The Mormons are recognized as a cult by Southern Baptists. Like I say, politics makes strange bedfellows. Time to put religion back where it belongs. To explore a person's faith may have some merits. However, I am really more interested what a person's politics are as they affect the American people as a whole and me specifically. Based on recent elections, one would think that Christians believe in doing more for the rich, doing less for the poor, giving no one a helping hand, and fighting wars. Compassionate conservatism is best exemplified in the response to Katrina - a disaster that seems to have no end. Modern day conservatism is "borrow and spend." It is all designed to buy votes. Borrow so that we do not have to raise taxes so that they can spend the unfathomable amounts of money to keep the well-heeled happy.

Is Donahue the same guy I saw go berserk on TV over the chocolate statue of Jesus? I thought he was having a coronary. His eyes dig bug out and his face was the color of boiled shrimp. His angry, emotional comments were crude and immature just like Archie Bunker and it was amusing that he appropriately speaks for the likes of O'Reilly, Hannity and Novak.

oooh Canyon1 is considering "legal address" and will be taking further action, oooohhh gaaaa boooga! - we should be all shaking in our Nazi American jackboots.

Maybe this crackpot will have his Catholic buddy Novak out another CIA agent or have Dick Cheney read my email to my 85 year old mother.

I am a Catholic, and nobody speaks for me, not even the Pope. Having established that, I take no offense from Mr. Hagee’s remarks. It is not up to me to judge him. A more just ruling will come in time, and I am afraid of it. Would I sit in the same table as Mr. Hagee? Sure, he is just as a human being as Bin Laden. And with this statement, I am not denigrating Mr. Hagree nor Bin Laden.

Ah !! It's nice to be a non-believer after reading all this crap. No wonder so many people have ulcers.

I'm not a big fan of organizations like The Catholic League, but this was an unfair attack on Bill Donahue. I think his response cleared up much of Anthony M. Stevens-Arroyo's ignorance on many of his remarks.

This column, "Catholic America," is nothing more than a launching attack on the Catholic Church from within. Stevens-Arroyo, who says he went to Catholic seminary, obviously does not know the first things about priestly celibacy, women ordination, birth control and a number of issues. Readers have demonstrated in their responses of why the Church teaches the ways it does. Instead of just voicing an opinion, Stevens-Arroyo masquerades as a Catholic to destroy from within what he hates. This column is definitely unworthy to have the name "Catholic America."

A vote for McCain is a vote for four more years of shame. God help my Grandchildren.

Holy Cow is a fundamentalist protestant and one loves to quote scripture; however, while the Immaculate Conception cannot be proven by Scripture alone, it cannot be rule out on the basis of Scripture, either.

This goes for many, many other theological matters...your "sola Scriptura" is a false doctrine.

There is much that is true and holy and God-given outside of the Bible, as well.

What a fine mess Mr. Donahue has created with his ready and politically motivated acceptance of Mr. Hagee's regrets.

It seems to me, as someone who has lived abroad for the past 18 years and working as a reporter, that the various political groups, whether religiously affiliated or not, have taken their rights to freedom of speech to far.

Just as there is no right to cry fire in a movie theater, there should be no right to use language to defame another individual or organization.

That seems elementary in most cases, but in the current political scene all these boundaries of decency are being tested and pushed back.

Just what is in it for Mr. Hagee to have called the Catholic church names? Doesnt his very own Christianity impinge of his judgment well enough for him to know when to draw the line of decency.

For heavens sake, the spectacle of dragging religion into politics has been warned by no less than the founding fathers for whatever that may mean to an individual like Mr. Hagee.

Yet, the sad fact is that his parishioners are probably sympathetic to his catcalls since they might see the popes efforts to make amends with other Christian groups as singularly off putting.

They may not want in their deepest of hearts to have peace between religious organizations. They may not believe that any but them loves Israel in the right, suffocating way.

What drives these people to behave this way in the year 2008. Arent there cooler minds out there who can tamp down these phony distinctions that seem to mean so much to some types of Christians?

Surely there are leaders who shouldbe coming forth with the usual soothing words to ameliorate the damage done. Or is there just to much money for John McCains campaign at stake?

Ah, there is the rub.

Tony Gillotte

Clearly,
You do not know what you are talking about. What kind of Christian lies against someone? Isn't that a sin and worthy of hell?

I am just asking as I am not a Christian and to me lieing is wrong for no other reason as it lessens my own honor. If you can not tell the truth, or at least make sure what you are saying is the truth, your word is worthless..and since that is all we have to cling to, our own honor,it is all that is of value.

So do some research and make sure that what you spread is truth and not lies.

terra

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blah blah I HATE JEWS!!!
blah blah I HATE BLACKS!!!
blah blah THE BIBLE SAYS . . . . !!!

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After losing members in the USA due to unproved birth control & Scandal the Catholic church is now making a comeback due to the millions of Illegal Aliens pouring across our borders. Its an ideal plan, let the Catholics Latinos pour across our open borders and Breed like Rabbits while forcing American tax payers to pay an average of 20k per year for each one to provide education, medical care and welfare for them. That is why the Pope spoke about taking care of Immigrants and wants blanket amnesty for them and why all Catholic Churches are for breaking the law and encourage & protecting Illegal Aliens and open Borders! When the next president gives the 20 to 30 million mostly uneducated Illegal Aliens citizenship alone with chain migration there will be 100,s of millions of new fast breeding, educating hating, criminally inclined , welfare loving Catholic Latino citizens and the Nation will soon join the Third World as they breed us into poverty, like they have Mexico and Latin American. But the Democrat Politicians will have the welfare votes and further their Socialist Agenda, the Republican Politicians an unlimited supply of nearly slave labor for their Pay Masters in the Corporations and Businesses and the Church more millions of Catholics to preach their dogma, past the collection plate, and lots of children for the priests to play with. The only losers are current American Citizens & their progeny and either Party or the Catholic church gives a damn about them!

Holy Cow,

You are giving cows a bad name with your hysterical bible thumping. Nobody gives a damn what you believe. Now go back to your padded cell.

Mary, The Queen Of Heaven

Many Roman Catholics , if not all, believe that Mary is the "Queen of Heaven". The idea may have originated from the fact that since Jesus came from her womb, therefore she is the "Mother of God" and henceforth the "Queen of Heaven". Even Davao City Archbishop Fernando Capalla declared in a local tv broadcast that "Mary is the Queen of Heaven". With him pronouncing it, no doubt, this is a Roman Catholic doctrine.

Many Roman Catholic beliefs are false because many of them are based on wrong presumptions. Here are the reasons why Mary is not the Mother of God.

First, God is eternal. He has no source and has no ending. God created Mary and it should remain that way. The devil wants to turn it around and voila ! God now has a mother. The Eternal God is now under the "dictates" of a "mother".

The Almighty God will judge us purely by our own merits and not by how the "mother" will intercede for us. The real question is " what is our relationship with God and God alone?" Forget about Mary. Like us she will have her own appointment with God.

In II Corinthians 5:10, Apostle Paul said, "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ..." .

The phrase "we must all" pertains to him (Paul), us and certainly Mary also. As what the Parable of the Ten Virgins suggests, she too can't share her oil. It means that she cannot intercede.

Second, the Spirit of Jesus Christ existed even before Mary was born. In John 8:57-58, it says " Then said the Jews unto Him, thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, verily, verily, I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am. "

In Colossians 1:17 Paul said " And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist."

Not only He was before Abraham, He was also before the existence of the universe and the creator of it as well.

To give us a glimpse of His power, Apostle John described his encounter with Jesus in Heaven in Revelation 1:16-17 " ... His countenance was as the sun shineth in His strength. And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead."

Mary is really only one of the children of God and to distort this order by making her the Mother of God is just pure blasphemy.

This "Queen of Heaven" Doctrine is really not new. In the time of the prophet Jeremiah, the people of Israel worshipped her. In Jeremiah 7:18, God said " The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger."

In verse 20, He continues "... behold, mine anger and my fury shall be poured out upon this place..."

Thirdly, Jesus never called Mary as mother. He called her "woman". (John 2:4 , John 19:26)
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Surely, there must be a reason why He didn't call her mother and that is simply because she is not His mother. In one instance, when somebody told Jesus that His mother was looking for Him, He insultingly replied, " Who is my mother? " (Matthew 12:48)

I wonder how many times the Lord will have to ask this question for people to wake up from their trance. It's a pity that everytime a person prays the rosary, He's not only doing a vain act of repetitious prayer but in so doing, he also invites the anger and fury of God. If they'll finally meet God face to face, I doubt if they will hear that question again if they will mention her name in His presence or would it be the painful parting words "depart from me, ye cursed into everlasting fire". I hope not, and I hope they will listen.

The Vatican is the seat of Satan. Catholics should read the Bible and see for themselves why for centuries, the Vatican HINDERED them to read the Bible.

The WH*RE OF BABYLON will burn as the Bible prophesied.

Curious,

And somehow you are one God's all-knowledgeable creations or are you suffering from the Three B Syndrome, being Bred, Born and Brainwashed in the "fems" of Christianity?

The Catholic League has no official connection to the Catholic Church. None-Zip-Nada. The Pope and the US Conference of Catholic Bishops speak officially for the Church, not Bill Donohue or any of the GOP hacks that comprise CL's "Board of Directors" (Brent Bozell, Linda Chavez, Dinesh D'Souza, Kate O'Bierne, etc etc) The Catholic League is basically just another tax-exempt arm of the RNC whose sole purpose is to steer the "Catholic Vote" into the Republican column. We the People are subsidizing this sham with our tax dollars.

Yes Catholics, fight. Gooood. Gooooood.

Who really cares what a cult of statue worshiping homosexual pedephiles think anyway?

The Catholic League takes on both the hard left (Bill Maher etc) and the hard right (Haggee etc.).

Both the extreme right (only faith) and the hard right (only scientific materialism) hate the Catholic tradition and this makes me proud to be a Catholic.

Catholicism = faith and reason.

Balance, proportion and consistency =

Anti-preemptive war, anti-abortion, anti-death penalty.

I too was amazed when this nobody said "he" accepted an apology for an insult to the Church. Who indeed is the Catholic League to accept such apologies. There's this little guy, see, called Benedict. He speaks for the Church. Then there's the rest of us Catholic voters. We ARE the Church.

As a Catholic ..the Catholic League does not represent me... they claim to be Pro-Choice but after a child is born they are willing to send that same child into a war where the chances of that person getting killed or seriously injured are great... Supporting McCain is clearly a vote that is not well thought out... he cares about America through his eyes and the eyes of his millionaire friends but he clearly is not concerned about the poorest of us who have to live paycheck to paycheck.. a vote for McCain is a disgrace and a setback to the forward progress of America

Carroll O'Connor made millions back in the 70's for playing the role of Archie Bunker.

Today we have Bill Donohue playing that same role for the paltry sum of $300K/yr. A bargain if there ever was one.

Hagee's apology and the Catholic League's immediate acceptance was a politically orchestrated move. Both Hagee and CL have a common goal which is to elect Republicans. This is a black mark on the American Catholic Church as they are partially responsible for the election of the undeniably evil president Bush. I quit going to the Catholic Church because of this in 2004. They brought pamphlets right into the church and told people who to vote for. It was an apostasy that cost the church credibility and put them in league with fascism and protestant extremists like Hagee who have nothing but for contempt for Catholics outside of using them to further their own political goals. Catholics need to protest the Church being used as a Republican tool. The Catholic League is corrupted by politics.

Catholic League statements in support of George Bush cannot be distinguished from those of conservative theologians supporting Hitler during the 1933 elections. Check out the book, HOLY REICH. Then look at the DVD FAITH IN THE WHITE HOUSE. There are many disturbing similarities between Bush-Rove religious strategy and National Socialism's attempt to 'unify the Confessionals'. Thanks God the vast majority of Catholics in this country are 'bad'. They value and fight for personal freedom and responsibility over blind faith.

As I said at 1.41 above !put out my mesage.we will be taking this further towards discrimation reporting