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I have the right as a Christian (some amendment to the constitution gives me the right of freedom of association that means basically I get to define my club as I see fit. You are also perfectly free to not like how I define membership in my Club provided that it has nothing to do with race. (Although it appears that Black only clubs are permissible just not Caucasian only clubs. For my money either neither or both ought to be.)

Just because you think Mr. X belongs to my club or Mr. X says he belongs to my club does not mean that I have to accept either one of your opinions.

You finally got something straight Cal, kinda like those monkeys with typewriters eventually and accidentally of course writing great proses. Now take it home.

Jews and Christians stand squarely in the path of destroying Islam. They must be destroyed first. With a powerful enough bullet all three can be felled with a single shot.

McCain is certainly in favor of the destruction of Islamic extremists. The only thing that will save Islam is a clear rule to determine which Muslims are extremists and which are not besides waiting for the extremists to act, 9-11 for easy example.

There was a time when, "a good German was a dead German" and, "a good Jap[enese] was a dead Jap[anese]." Only some Germans and Japanese were extremists at that time but we couldn't tell the difference. Therefore all of both groups were blamed for what the few did and all were dealt with as though they too were extremists. If Muslims don't want, "a good Muslim to be a dead Muslim" they, not the rest of us must change. Never happen.

If Jews and Christians want to survive the religious war that is now on they and not the rest of us must change. I have a few suggestions that can save them but they like Muslims are retarded.

Those who already know cannot learn. Those who cannot learn are retarded. The Bible is finite, contains all the knowledge Jews and Christians are interested in knowing and it can be known -is known by the ministry. Those who know all the Bible says can learn no more -self induced retardation.

Islam does seem to su*k more the Chritianity. Most Christians ignore the more bloodthirsty admonitions in the bible (stoning disobedient sons, killing rape victims if they were raped in town, etc.), whereas a lot of Muslims do not appear to have yet reached that point.

And at least the Christian god sticks to destroying things along the coast to punish us, like New Orleans and the World Trade Center.

Amen, Mr. Thomas. You have perceptively concluded that Rev. Parsley's comments on Islam are accurate, and that he has been unfairly maligned by the desperate left.

Rev. Parsley's 2005 book "Silent No More" includes a chapter on Islam that demonstrates conclusively why we must confront the leaders of this dangerous religion.

GaryD,

Yes, John Brown was indeed a self-described Christian ... precisely my point! But as such, he was still in the minority even in the North where the support for abolition by Christians was only marginally better than in the South.

As for who is a Christian, when someone says they are a Christian, then they are a Christian in my book. They might not be "my kind" of Christian but who cares? In a country that values religious liberty, that determination is for the individual to decide alone, not me or you or anyone else. We can certainly have our opinions but they are completely irrelevant because the Christian label is so ambiguous as to mean almost anything one wants it to mean. Just read a few entries by some of the self-described Christians here. Christians have been arguing over what that label means for 2000 years with very little agreement.

What matters to me is how one acts and behaves, not what label they give themselves. That's why I would much rather listen to what a candidate says and watch what he/she does to judge their true character, which brings us back to Obama and McCain. During the campaign, Obama has consistently and repeatedly denounced hateful views wherever he finds them but McCain has been largely silent and now openly courts those with hateful views.

It seems to me that a man with any genuine ethical character would openly denounce hateful views (as Obama has). And at the very least, they would refuse to pander to bigots (as Obama also has) whatever their stripe. McCain still has time to do the right thing and I hope he does but he obviously thinks he can't win without the bigots so he'll probably wuss-out and continue to pander. That's what happened to the man who used to speak out so elequently against "the agents of intolerance". He sold out.

Good JOb Freestinker.

John Brown was a Christian of sorts or at least believed himself to be.

The Southern churches railed against Abolitionism most of the Northern one's especially in the Northeast Supported it. And the Quakers who were Christians had been adamantly opposed to slavery long before anyone ever heard the word abolitionist.

So in order to have an opinion on those who claim to be Christian and arguably are not I must now be anointed by God on high???

Then why did you do so?

Sorry but you'd be hard pressed to find any seminal non violent teachings in Islam that haven't been set aside by the various Hadiths
via the doctrine of abnegation.

The problems with Christianity extend from the fact that human beings are human beings and occasionally act in at best unappealing ways. In much of the Koran such ways are when used versus unbelievers encouraged.

Matthew 16:19
I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

Jesus found that worth repeating -

Matthew 18:18
"I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

Who was Jesus talking to anyhow?

Matthew 18:17
Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. 18And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell will not overcome it.

This is the stuff paranoia is made from, no doubt at all.

Peter was the first pope and given the authority to condemn people to hell. Real catholics know that's so. All others, not real catholics are heretics.

All heretics were condemned to hell at the council of Nice, 325CE. Therefore Cal is going to hell along with Billy Graham and all those mega-evangelicals. Catholics that use contraband birth control are going to hell too. I'd venture a guess there won't be enough Muslims in the real God's heaven to play solitaire. There's a real gut busting fight in hell that never ends with all those Lucifer worshipers that hate each other, Jews, Christians and Muslims.

GaryD, it's beginning to look a lot like you'll be there with them. Not to worry though. I know how desperately you want to be with Jesus who now lives in His father's house, hell to be exact. You're going to find serving in Lucifer's army a real kicker. Yhall can take over heaven, throw God out and find that fire extinguisher.

You need to look at those picture at hoax buster again then answer this question - if angels can't be shot then why do they have shields? Good luck and keep a stiff upper lip.

When the raptures come will you be beaned up or down is the question. Can you honestly answer up to that? Read Exodus and see how powerful Lucifer is before it's too late. Almighty God doesn't need help from people, need to use tricks or choose a particular group of people, a master race of a sorts to get what Almighty God wants. Devils have no choice.

Lay down here on my nice soft couch and tell me all about your childhood. The Jesus part will be a good place to start.

GaryD said:
"First, thanks again for your continued demonstration that ignorance and anti religious bigotry is every bit as much a hall mark of the left as it is of anyone on the right freestinker."

Freestinker responds:
You know how much I enjoy your flattery but arguments based on facts rather than flattery are much more persuasive!

GaryD said:
"2nd no I don't find the hierarchy Catholic Church to be much more than Christian in name only. As it happens I believe the same of Hagee and Parsley."

Freestinker responds:
So now you're the arbiter of who is Christian and who is not? I guess Bob died and made you king.

GaryD said:
"3rd no one least of all me claims Christians are perfect merely that the picture you draw is horrendously one sided."

Freestinker responds:
My point was not to paint a one-sided picture of Christians. It was to point out (to you and Cal) that religious violence is ubiquitous in many religions, not just just Islam.

GaryD said:
"4th dragged kicking and Screaming??? Abolitionism was a Christian religious movement and not at times an all together pleasant one."

Freestinker responds:
The abolition movement was certainly NOT a Christian movement! The vast majority of Christians (South and North) were adamantly opposed to abolition. Episcopals (Calvin Colton, Stephen Elliott), Presbyterians (Thomas Smyth, Benjamin Palmer), Southern Methodists (August B. Longstreet, Whitefoord Smith), and the list goes on ... were all vehemently opposed. Their mantra "Abolition is atheism", demonstrates just how rooted the opposition to abolition was in the theology of most Christian churches at the time.

Instead, it was a coalition of Deists (Ben Franklin), Unitarians (John Adams), liberal Christians (John Brown, Frederick Douglass), freethinkers (Thomas Paine, Abe Lincoln, William Lloyd Garrison), atheists (Robert Ingersoll), and feminists (Elizabeth Cady Stanton) who formed the core of the abolition movement. The vast majority of mainstream Christians were conspicuously absent from this list. Care to name a few that I may have forgotten?

GaryD said:
"5th after WWI Christianity began dying in Western Europe. Christians formed the back bone of the German resistance groups opposed to Adolph Hitler and many of them died in Gestapo prisons. The Nazi Party in Germany much like the Communist party in the Former Soviet Union was never more than about thirty percent of the total population of the country and very few them were committed Christian in either case."

Freestinker responds:
That may be true but my point was that when it comes to religious violence, Christians are as guilty as Muslims despite the seminal non-violent teachings of Jesus.

Cal Thomas, one day, You shall not have an authority above You. and You shall know how to be together.

http:/ /www.youtube. com/watch? v=UShtvCen6So

Numerous Islamic leaders advocate killing Jews and Christians. They state their intention to wipe out those faiths. They claim they have a mandate from Allah to do this. And we're worried when one American preacher says Islam must be wiped out?

it is natural and vital issue that humans rise and keep their vibrations up. with what the vibrations drop, are what to be processed like noise management. how we approach to noise and low vibrations is how we approach to each other. there are filters and techniques to rise vibrations.

she had one thing that had not lived with her husband, she had not accepted this, and she didnt want this with him, for he wasnt worth and she was not connected.

but she really wanted to live fully in love. she had for the first time wanted to be complete and real out of imaginations. yet she had threads on her cloth worn, she could not keep them together, her flesh was not covered any more.

but the problem is the connections and the technical staff and their approach. sometimes there are times when we have to connect with our own tools too, like in Space Shuttle cases, or a like a birth in the widest land of Australia.

what i want to say is, the health amongst people and faiths is available with connections amongst lifes of people. the more we connect, the more we are together. and when i heal, someone heals too. i dont call this butterfly effect, because this is what we do in our life aware and wise.

she had argued with her butcher father, he was gambling and drinking, her husband had raped her after a bottle of wine, to marry, and she had accepted to leave Turkey.

she was a woman to bear children for her husband, she didnt accept this, after the first birth she was not accepted in love. his family was speller and magician, with religious vocabulary.

he took all of her money, she was making her own money in the island and Turkey, with healing practices and massage. and his family didnt accept this.

he took the car kitchenware and houseware to the island, and didnt share money of family. he was practising imaginary sex with her, which had caused holes and appearances in her energy that she was unawarely carrying, the last three months or years, were a rape to her.

we had been to Cesme and Side, she was not sensitive to life, she was dumb, and respective to relations, green ducks grow up golden ducks.

and i really want to know the twist of faith with You, President Bush, for You look so similar to Selma Kozan in 4. Levent Istanbul, Your flesh on the face with opticals are exactly Her presence,

from Safranbolu with a hospital of sexual diseases and shoe-makers for Civil War in 1920, of stone and wooden houses of Greeks and Turks, she was growing tomatoes

her husband was from Africa Endonesia in Mairitius island, he was representative for United Nations Theatre, he had graduated from Turkish Universites, but he was with opium, she was EMF practicionist, of Kryon in USA,

she had retired from Turk Telekom and her ears were half deaf because of a slap of her primary school teacher, and retarded because of lack of oxygen in mother's womb, her head out,

and she was so smokeful while she was in Mairitius, about to visit Turkey, and we argued later.

Suudi Arabia doesnt have an army, so they rent an army from the nearest sources. i supported, for God's sake, in a few cases what this government in Anadolu did, but i do not support this government. and the other party of republic is with Rockefeller family.

Vatican Venice USA Italy Austria Israel UK may support this government, but i dont. because they cheated. they cheated You, and also us. i learned, lived, did see how they cheated. they murdered public of this land. they tortured public of this land. against whom did they make war? why are they GAZI then? they are not qualified to govern, they lost and dropped.

Iraq is the heaven in the Bible and History, of course USA shall be in Iraq. Iraq shall learn the language that teacher of Ahmet prophet tought. i want the funeral of Pope Benedictus, may He long live, in Anadolu wherever He orders.

they are wrong according to the life and wisdom of Said Nursi too. and is there any one who cares Suudi Arabia other than swords and petroleum? they pay money, these roaring men of Ottomans serve. Suudi Arabia gave one billion of money and opened a bank. then what? Suudi Arabia does not have a language!

i know how hard it is to speak to men who cheat while they are in benefit with You, President of USA. and at least what You do had a meaning, that i couldnt understand and rejected, but now i do. the dove i bow was the mud which flied with His breath, and i bow in front of You too, for earth rised with Your efforts. i did a few too, but not to mention.

Endonesia stood up to explain, they at last woke up. they didnt accept this government's failures and decencies. to european Union please, do not support this government. take them down, and we shall have a civil life. they all have a mobile phone on their ears. do not let them for a prebiscits, we need that money.

so Williams Bush, President of USA, do not take army or armament or any other equipment to Afghanistan. do what You did in Anadolu after 1991, just send mobile phones and provide public access to internet, with landwide electromagnetics infra-structure.

give them to covered women and men, each and every one, make trade with these mobile phones and computers, like You did to India, later let Afghanistan de-struct the components and give them money, or let them gather pieces to make a computer, later they shall begin to develop software. i had begun on a scientific calculator.

mobile phones and computers are not with cloths, but with visible concrete language. do not give them public access to where they hesitate. what they see on computer and phone hardware and software are sufficient. i learned how You speak.

and they shall erect to walk and speak. later do not be surprised if they talk about evolution and language, within social science, to unite and connect interfaiths as in WAN and LAN.

i am still in love with radio and tv frequency. maybe one they i shall write poems again.

islam and islame, this is what is in faiths around the world. while all sheep were healthy but not in virtues, the lame ship was safe. but today, numerous are lame and there must be a healthy herd to heal the others, to remind the leg.

today they dont know why sheep jump to the other side over the fence to sleep. today in stead of physical life with words that have been solid, we need language with worths that are to appear souled sound.

all of the muslims may be together with Rod Parsley to heal this faith called Islam, of a Man who had been educated by a Christian of that time. is Rod Parsley wide enough to learn how are people today, to offer a medicine and solution?

what i ask is whether Islam is in Anadolu, in Suudi Arabia, in Iran, in Endonesia, in Egypt, in Afghanistan, in PAkistan, in Malaysia, in Ethiopia, in India or in Orthodox Church in South Anadolu?

in Anadolu are Saints MAry John and prophets, at least in the 600 years to the presence of Ahmet prophet. You cannot destroy Islam, for it is in Hebrew, in USA, in Israel and any other civilization. but You can heal the lame, if not physical in the brain.

why did Afghanistan complain about the disemployment of electromagnetics and mobile phones? they need that frequency, maybe because they have a vibration lower than microwave frequency.

Your paranoia is showing. The fact that we refuse to get out of your sight trouble you? Sorry about that but it isn't happening. Christian are as all over the ball park as everyone else.

The pope is a government??? Not a very effective one then being unable to protect those he governs from child predators and all. And almost totally helpless when it comes to enforcing his edicts. How many catholic couples are still relying on the rhythm method for birth control again?

Your assumptions as usual are grossly unfounded and as usual built upon air.

Cal:

The main reasons that the US and its allies do not negotiate with Iran and Hamas is because they advocate that Israel be "destroyed." This is so even though they refer only to the legal entity of the state and not the Jewish people.

If it is wrong for Iran and Hamas, why not Parsley?

Jesus Christ teaches us to love our enemy (Mathew 5:44), put the concerns of others before our own (Romans 12:10, Philippians 2:3), and to be "good to all" (Galatians 6:10, 1 Thessalonians 5:15).

You're a hypocrite.

GaryD:

The pope for easy example is an absolute dictator. He has the most fierce weapon ever conceived, the fires of hell to impose his authority on his flock. And that authority is greater than our civil authority. But only to his flock of course. When the bishop declared a vote for Kerry to be a sin it caused Catholics to not vote for him. Thus religion, in this case Catholic flexed it's muscle and demonstrated exactly what I said, religion is government.

By survey, 86% of Americans believe in some religion. The country is as divided as it has been since day one. That division is not the 14% versus the rest. It comes from religion attempting to take over the government and establish religious law as the law of the land. "The right to life" is a smoke screen behind which religion controls people causing them to do as the religious authorities, Billy, the pope, bishops, and even your friendly neighborhood preacher, dictate and therefore to be the actual government.

That's just like eastern Europe was. Anyone like me who is against the church state is therefore accused of being an atheists, communists or even Nazi.

If God is on America's side then God must be pro democracy. If God is pro democracy then why is religion anti democracy? Need I point to sacred scripture for the answer? Real simple but absolutely necessary for religion to answer, was the supernatural being in the burning bush, the one Moses made the deal with to become the father of all three great faiths, was that supernatural being God or Devil?

Note: Abraham is the father of the people while Moses is the father of the people's faith. Abraham is also a smoke screen of a different kind used to explain the conflict between Nazis and Jews that in reality was a conflict of who shall govern, Jehovah, (Yehweh) or Hitler.

Conflicts involving absolute faith are really bloody. We don't need that. There's just one way to avoid it. End absolute faith. Lucifer is the only supernatural being that is against that. Either God us pro democracy or we must do as the religious authorities dictate. McCain's spiritual mentor may be onto something alright but he needs to take a peek into the mirror first.

Faith is faith and leads inevitably to absolute, born again, stand up and testify faith that leads inevitably to blood baths -done in the name of God of course but not the God that is pro democracy. That God is not God of course but only an angle, Lucifer by name that would be God. Evangelicals believe in angels you know. Need I note that Lucifer just loves to be worshiped and He loves blood baths. Lock and load, now send them to hell is music to Lucifer's ears. Does God will it?

Sure thing, Cal. Engage in the same crap as McCain. Keep pretending that christian extremists haven't caused at least as much criminal mischief in history as Islam.

Typical fascist.

Bgone religion can be a means to self governance of the individual when it goes beyond that it steps into error. In fact it can't help but do so.

You are right in one way Dictators hate men who are free and one can only be free to the extent that one is on charge of one's self.

This however leads to a rather interesting paradox in that the man who is most free is the man who places limits on his own actions.

GaryD:

Read what you wrote, #5 and then ask yourself a silly question. Why did Nazis and Communists oppose religion?

Religions are governments plain and simple. They are an authority that answers to no one here on earth. The governor is God.

God is nowhere to be found therefore the religious authorities are the highest authority. In both of your cases, Nazis and Communists were headed by dictators. Dictators are not known for sharing authority.

Nazis are a special case. The Third Reich was a religious government. You probably don't understand that because all the religions you know about do the missionary, recruit new members. One is born into the master race not recruited. One is born into the "chosen people of God" race not recruited as well. The Nazi conflict with the Jews was a religious, two way affair. There can be but one master. When there are two potential masters force will be used to decide who will rule.

Communists suffered a somewhat different problem to the Nazis. The parish priest in eastern Europe literally dictated on a local basis, was the only real authority. He was judge and jury deciding the outcome of disputes between members of his parish. And everyone was a member or an outcast. The parish was therefore the real government. The communists "persecution" of the church is the tale of two masters just like Nazis and Jews.

In the end the entire non Arian people of earth were in line to be slaves or eliminated by the Nazis. Christians are also "the chosen people of God" counterfeit Jews through the miracle of baptism. Therefore the Nazis had plans for Christians too and they did some executing of those plans but for political reasons had to put the real, march them into the gas chamber off until they had conquered the whole vide vorld.

Bottom line - religions are governments that will control every aspect of life if they can. History tells us they did throughout European history and even up to the Communist revolution in eastern Europe. Our "divided America" springs from two conflicting governments one of which is religion. Ecumenical is an attempt at "a coalition of the willing" to take over the US government.

What's the difference between a Christian nation and an Islamic state? There can be but one master. Check out your Bible. I'm sure Jesus said that somewhere.

WELL SAID Cal.

Cal Thomas' response (other than being rather non-responsive) has a few problems:

1. It showcases conservatives modern dogma: if terrorists or their sympathizers do it, then it's OK if Americans do it. This rationale has been used to justify torture and, as Cal illustrates, blatant hate speech.

2. Cal neglects to mention that McCain sought out the endorsements of Parsley and his ilk and has had praising words to say of them. Parsley is his "religious adviser" so potentially affects McCain's policy in one-on-one settings that's at least as influential as being a member of Parsley's church. Obama was pestered consistently about Farrakhan's views and endorsement, one he did not seek and one he renounced in 10 different ways, when there was NO evidence Farrakhan had ever advised him about anything. Is it not fair to ask McCain whether he believes Islam should be destroyed?

3. Cal also forgets recent history. As late as 2000, Muslims were voting for Republican candidates. Other than that, his last paragraph is utterly vacuous and pointless.

This is the most disgusting column I've ever read on WaPo...juvenile, thoughtless, and morally bankrupt.

Craig

First, thanks again for your continued demonstration that ignorance and anti religious bigotry is every bit as much a hall mark of the left as it is of anyone on the right freestinker.

2nd no I don't find the hierarchy Catholic Church to be much more than Christian in name only. As it happens I believe the same of Hagee and Parsley.

3rd no one least of all me claims Christians are perfect merely that the picture you draw is horrendously one sided.

4th dragged kicking and Screaming??? Abolitionism was a Christian religious movement and not at times an all together pleasant one.

5th after WWI Christianity began dying in Western Europe. Christians formed the back bone of the German resistance groups opposed to Adolph Hitler and many of them died in Gestapo prisons. The Nazi Party in Germany much like the Communist party in the Former Soviet Union was never more than about thirty percent of the total population of the country and very few them were committed Christian in either case.

Cal wrote: "Numerous Islamic leaders advocate killing Jews and Christians."

What has that to do with what Parsley said? Your statement is a perfect example of moral relativism. Do you believe morality is relative to other things or an absolute that never changes? Those who study morality understand that it cannot be relative but only absolute, because when morality is relative you can sink very low, justify any action (torture anyone?) and still call yourself moral.

Morality demands that you view what he said as though he were talking about you (...do unto others as you would have them do unto you). My guess is that you would have been offended as you seem offended when some muslim cleric on the other side of the earth calls for the destruction of christians. But since Parsley was not talking about christians, you find it not a problem.

Who raised you? You are morally empty Cal.

I don't see what Mr Thomas or most of these posts are saying that has much to do with the question. I get the disturbing feeling that since there are outrageous statements and views attributed in the name of Islam, what's wrong with Parsley's bigotry? That's really despicable. And I don't understand why Mr. Thomas gets to be treated as more than a crackpot by sources like the washington Post..

I am a recent convert to Islam. It is not, in any way, the sort of religion that Monsieur Thomas or a few of his more ignorant readers are describing. I've got a suggestion for all of you paranoid Christians and Jews: GO MEET A FEW MUSLIMS ON YOUR BLOCK. Oh, there aren't any? Big surprise.

If one believes in the indivisible, eternal Trinity and the Bible, including the story of the Great Flood, then it seems only fair to include 99.9999+% of all living creatures on this planet in the Christian totals.

While a case can be made that the number of fatalities resulting from the Inquisition is frequently exaggerated, even the Catholic Church admits that most of the victims "merely" had their possessions stolen or suffered deportation.

GaryD,

So by your logic, either Catholics aren't Christians or it's OK for some Christians to murder other Christians when they disagree on theology?

As for slavery, most Christians had to be dragged into the abolition movement, kicking and screaming and lynching all along the way.

And the vast majority of Nazi's were, in fact, Christians as were the vast majority of those who extirminated American Indians despite the minor and wholly unsuccessful protestations of a few liberal Christians.

So what's your point?

OK, Cal, we understand. It's OK for inflammatory neochristians to spew hate but not for others. Neochristians are above reproach in Cheney's Jesuslandia.

Even for Mr. Thomas, I'm kind of wondering if one of the trolls hacked his account, here.

Not that anyone'll mind.

Bah

"Numerous Islamic leaders advocate killing Jews (who they blame for everything from AIDS to 9/11) and Christians (who they call "cross worshippers" and "infidels"). They state their intention to wipe out those faiths. They claim they have a mandate from Allah to do this."

Which, incidentally, voids the nonsense about the "three great religions." The Koran repeatedly refers to Jews and Christians as swine and apes. The God who established Judaism through Abraham and Christianity through the Jewish messiah, Yeshua, would not sanctify another outside group killing Jews and Christians, thus frustrating his own purposes.

In as much as Mohammed claimed to have been whisked away in the spirit to Jerusalem to meet with Abraham and Jesus, he lent credence to their spiritual stature; a Muslim purportedly sanctioned by two Jews. How very odd.

YHWH and Allah the moon god are not the same God.

Cal, don't you think people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Try Devil worshipers instead of whatever it was Muslims said Jews and Christians do. Them, Muslims too of course.

Review Exodus and then tell me that was God in the Burning bush. And if IT wasn't God then what was IT? God lives in a ball of fire just like the fire of hell? IT must have been alive to father Jesus. Muslims have a less believable story? How much less?

I hate to disagree but Muslims are evangelicals meaning they believe in angels. You know that no evangelical worth his salt would ever vote for a Democrat. Muslims not worth their salt? Maybe McCain should buddy up to them else they might not vote at all.

Here's an idea that would solve the problem. Let's enforce the 1st amendment and get government out of religion before the government becomes a religion. The government has already become religion and you're in favor of that just as long as it's not Muslim?

Not to worry you or nothing but those Mormons are coming up fast. They're evangelicals too you know. Not this time but maybe next time?

Shouldn't religions take turns? Has anyone thought to ask the Muslims which administration they want to control? Don't tell me they like the evangelicals want control over all of them.

Religion solves no problem while itself being a big one. If the 2000 and/or 2004 elections were held today Bush wouldn't carry a state yet every evangelical would vote for him. Tells me something about evangelicals. Tell you anything you didn't already know?

Let me see the Inquisition was Catholics and most of its victims were Christian who didn't happen to be Catholics, with Spanish Jews holding down a distant second place.

As many Christians died trying to end slavery in this country as Fought to preserve it.

There were churches arguing against the extermination of the Indians.

Hitler was a pagan read Mein Kampf.

Yeah ... and Christians have never killed anyone because they always strictly adhere to Jesus' teachings to love thy enemy no matter what, right?

Never mind the inquisition, slavery, the extermination of American Indians, the holucast or the current war of aggression they started, all in Jesus' name.

Give me a break.

And Rev.ight is no threat to any white person, but you and Faux News are still wetting your pants about him. Goose, meet Gander. Gander, Goose.

Why for stating the truth?

as someone with an upbringing in a religion that is not one of the 'three great' ones, I must say: you are quite a dolt