Since the end of the six day war, the Israeli archeologists have conclusively shown that there are no ancestral titles/deeds to the area now called Israel or Palestine. They have established beyond all reasonable doubts that there was no Exodus, no Moses nothing all that was just a big hoax. Additionally, the claim of the Hebrews even several thousand years ago was specious, as there were people already living there. If anything the hebrews threw them out and conquered that land,like the one that preceded them. Beyond that there is no special entitlement for that land. The iron age folks made up stuff in OT just to coalesce their up and coming tribes into a strong cohesive force. OT is nothing more than a political lore to unite the Hebrew tribes. There is no god in general, and much less this particular god. The X'ians and the muslims may claim to beleive in teh same god. But all that means little. So boys and girls dont sweat it about which god is what etc, etc. The palestinians need to come to terms with the fact that present day Israel is here to stay for the forseable future, and make adjustments. Likewise the israelis should also come to terms with the fact that they do not have any divine right to that land. Most of them are actually Europeans, albeit persecuted by their fellow Europeans for centuries, does not give them any legitimate rights to some other part of the world. Nonetheless both need to make peace and live together. If they cannot do that both of them are free to beat the living daylights of each other and dont expect rest of the world care about it. You guys are in all about 10 million, give or take and you was the rest of 6.5 billion to care about you and expend our resources on you. I say NO

IVRI91208,

"The Christian Scripture reveals a God who is trinitarian, transcendant, personal, infinitely good yet infinitely just."

To insert the contrastive "yet" between "good" and "just" suggests a certain disingenuity. IS there any doubt that goodness *and* justice are of the same kidney? Apparently so, when it comes to the Christian God. For him, being "just" must be excused with an embarassed "yet" because, well, it's not all that clear that his "justice" is actually "good", at least, not to merely human sensibilities, given that said "justice" involves the endless torture of billions of sentient creatures as a matter of course.

Thee:
"This God has acted in history to rescue fallen man from the chaos of a sin-tainted world through a progressive redemptive plan"

So who was it that made the world - serpent and deadly tree included - devised a clay "image" incapable of resisting evil influences (why did such influences have access in the first place?), and then set it up to fail? And once all this had happened, who was it that blamed the creature for its inherent, created flaws, and consigned it to an eternity of unspeakable torment? Oh, that's right, the "infinitely good" three-in-one Christian God! That's why there's a "yet" between "good" and "just".

Thee:
"beginning with the calling of Abraham and forming of the Israelite nation, and ultimately culminating in the propiatory death of Jesus of Nazareth, Yahweh himself incarnate"

So "Yahweh" propitiates himself by killing himself; tries to clean up the mess by adding his adding his own blood to it. Brilliant.

1). "There is no archeological evidence that the Moses of the OT ever existed."

This is an argument from silence -- always an intellectually precarious move. It does not follow from the lack of positive historical evidence for Moses' existence(apart from the OT writings themselves which purport to record history, and that of the careful 1st-century Jewish historian Josephus) logically to the fact of his non-historical nature.

2). "The scribes who wrote the OT, embellished many old Jewish tales/legends/myths to fit their concept of Monad and to keep the general tribal communities in line with oral tradition/guilt."

They heydeys of Old Testament form and tradition criticism are long past. More recently scholars have shown that the form critical schools built their arguments on shaky assumptions about oral traditions and how they were passed down. It has also been shown that the "illiteracy" problem has been overplayed, especially during Jesus' day.

These arguments, however, are typical of an evolutionary view of religion, which attempts to rob all religion of its supernatural character and make it primarily a human construct.

There is no archeological evidence that the Moses of the OT ever existed. The scribes who wrote the OT, embellished many old Jewish tales/legends/myths to fit their concept of Monad and to keep the general tribal communities in line with oral tradition/guilt.

The trails/trials of Noah, Abraham, Job and Moses were concepts for tribal nomads/peasants/shepherds/ordinary folk living in the age of illiteracy, short life spans, hardships, diseases, and "dirt poor" living conditions. Mankind has advanced and these concepts although wise for the ages, are not historical.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482

The evolutionary process continues with contributions from the historical Buddha, John the Baptist, Jesus, Paul, the NT scribes, Constantine, Gandhi, the Dalai Lamas, Schillebeeckx, the Jesus Seminar, Crossan, Mother Theresa, and the Hubble Telescope.

"The God of Muslims is the same as the God of Christians and Jews. To tell people that Islam is a 1,400-year-old lie is simply the first step down a road that would inspire the Christians Yousef now calls his brothers to do to Muslims what he saw Muslims do to Jews, Christians, and even other Muslims."

His argument is sound, but not valid, because Hirschfield's first premise is wrong. These three major theistic religions are not so easily reduced to a common denominator. There are few Jews, Muslims, or Christians who would admit to worshipping one and the same God. The Christian Scripture reveals a God who is trinitarian, transcendant, personal, infinitely good yet infinitely just. This God has acted in history to rescue fallen man from the chaos of a sin-tainted world through a progressive redemptive plan, beginning with the calling of Abraham and forming of the Israelite nation, and ultimately culminating in the propiatory death of Jesus of Nazareth, Yahweh himself incarnate. It is this progressive redemptive plan and ultimately Jesus himself who is revealed in Christian Scripture.

My point here was well-expressed by thomasbaum in an earlier post:

"Jesus is not regarded as a prophet to the Jews, Jesus is regarded as a prophet to the Muslims, Jesus is regarded as God-Incarnate to Christians."

Brad Hirschfield

You wrote, " To tell people that Islam is a 1,400-year-old lie is simply the first step down a road that would inspire the Christians Yousef now calls his brothers to do to Muslims what he saw Muslims do to Jews, Christians, and even other Muslims."

Not if they actually try to follow Jesus.

Have you noticed that even tho Muslims do not consider Jesus to be God-Incarnate there are some Muslims that are much better followers of Jesus than some Christians?

As I have said elsewhere, God looks at the person, not the "label".

Take care, be ready.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

Brad Hirschfield

You wrote, "The God of Muslims is the same as the God of Christians and Jews."

There is only One God and that One God is a Trinity and is the God of all.

However to say that the god of Islam and the God spoken of in the bible as being One and the Same is absolutely hogwash whether or not one even believes in God.

Jesus is not regarded as a prophet to the Jews, Jesus is regarded as a prophet to the Muslims, Jesus is regarded as God-Incarnate to Christians.

In other words, the Jews "disregard" Jesus whereas the god of Islam calls Jesus one of his prophets and speaks highly of Jesus but get highly perturbed if anyone speaks of Jesus as God-Incarnate or if anyone speaks of Jesus as the Son of God or anyone else as sons and daughters of God, is this not correct?

The god of Islam also gets perturbed if anyone speaks of God as a Trinity even tho the trinity spoken of in the Koran, as far as I know, is not the Trinity of God.

How can anyone say that God being a Trinity with Jesus being God-Incarnate is the god spoken of in the Koran with a straight face?

As I have said, one does not even need to believe in God to see that Jesus being God-Incarnate and God being a Trinity and the god of Islam are not the same and trying to say otherwise is to ignore what is written in both the Koran and the Bible.

As I have also said, God does not look at the "label" but at the person.

Take care, be ready.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

"As I wrote earlier, Islam is the major religion in countries where pop. growth is high, as in AFrica, but these countries have large Christian populations as well, with equally high birthrates."
POSTED BY: BLAISEP

Certainly high birth rates are associated with (treading on politically incorrect nomenclature here) underdeveloped nations. They have yet to undergo the "demographic transition". However, it is easier to attack the high death rate portion of that transition, either from the inside or outside than it is the high birth rate portion. The high birth rate is tied to cultural practices, including the subjugation of women, that are resistant to change. In the Christian world, the Catholic portion has been more resistant than the Protestant areas. As far as Islam goes, India provides the greatest contrast. There, facing similar economic circumstances the Muslim population increases relative to the Hindu population.

While it is really difficult to tease out the different cultural tendencies from all the cultural effects and physical circumstances, on the whole, it looks like Islam is a bad actor in getting the human population to limit itself, as is the RCC.

ZZIM,

Kindly refer to the pew statistics provided by BlaiseP on the ethnic and racial composition of muslims in USA. They are pretty comprehensive. Islam, like Christianity has the most diverse group of followers compared to any other religion on the earth. You can checkout these couple of videos about american muslims fom youtube as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7YoBwRyWEM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rfx4glTU5JQ&feature=related

BlaiseP,

Thanks once again for that link. About Farnaz, you wrote "Perhaps she was carried away by her fury". I know that situation too well. You dont wanna be around her when she is in one of those moods. She once called me a crow and an impotent rooster in the same sentence. I told her that I fear she'll make a horrible mother in law. Quite predictably she didnt see the funny side of my comment and in came another salvo of insults and abuses. She has a gift for really hurting people with words but she doesn't use this gift as effectively as she should.

Anyways, while we're at it can you please also confirm that I didnt appear or write "wretched" things about Jews as she claims I did and that you never came to defend me on the previous blog of this rabbi. That might just put this current insinuation to rest. However with Farnaz you never know......

C’mon Zzim you are one of the more saner respondents in an insane blog. You might not know it but the best research on religion in the US (and in some cases non US as well) is Pew.
http://religions.pewforum.org/comparisons

From the above we get this breakdown of the ethnic and racial composition of American Muslims:

White (non Hispanic): 37%
Black (non Hispanic): 24%
Asian (non Hispanic):20%
[why Pew needed that qualifier here I don’t know, I would have thought “Asian” and “Hispanic” were mutually exclusive, although maybe a Filipino qualifies as an Hispanic, I don’t know]
Other (mixed, non Hispanic): 15%
Hispanic: 4%

YasserY:

I am happy to be useful and am sorry that it was my off the cuff comment that brought down upon us the wrath of such a feral Fury:
BlaiseP [wrote]| March 9, 2010 2:51 PM “……..we haven't heard from a few regulars yet, but they'll be along soon.”
And Farnaz responded ferociously: “You would rather sneak around and spread poison.
There are words for this sort of thing in Judaism, Islam, Christianity/Catholicism. They are not pretty.

Legion, your name is, BlaiseP. “:
POSTED BY: FARNAZMANSOURI | MARCH 9, 2010 7:58 PM:

Legion is the name of a demon. Not one but many. See Mark 5: 2-9.

(In my humble opinion it was her subsequent performance that seemed more characteristic of one possessed. Perhaps she was carried away by her fury.)

"Liberating Muslims from "their god""

First, they need to liberate themselves; no one else can do it for them.

Second, they need to liberate themselves from their entire culture of superstition, not just from their imaginary god.

ZZIM, can you provide a credible proof for that statement?? I've seen that TV report on youtube as well. It does not mention Nation of Islam as muslims or being part of that statistic.

Posted by: yasseryousuf
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No, do your own research. If you happen to come across information that clashes with what you WANT to believe, please feel free to assume it must be lies spread by enemies of Islam who are out to get you.

ZZim

No hysterical replies from our resident Meshugeneh recently - must be resting on the Sabbath.

BLAISEP,

Thank you for elaborating the details of population growth so expertly. I too would prefer Christianity over "Voltaire's Religion" anyday!

If you can marry four or five times, take temporary wives, it's a nice way to expand membership. Why be surprised that it's the fastest growing religion in the world. Lot's of people wanting more sex sanctioned by society. Nice deal.

"Yasser, most of these people are Black Muslims, which is a non-Islamic cult with very little in common with true Islam."

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ZZIM, can you provide a credible proof for that statement?? I've seen that TV report on youtube as well. It does not mention Nation of Islam as muslims or being part of that statistic.

Farnaz reminds me of that young girl who when caught red handed by her friend while stealing stuff starts crying and tells her friend "Im not a thief.......you are!!" Case in point her false accusation of me being a liar when I clearly pointed out her lies about me.

Farnaz Sweetie......truth hurts~! Its evident in your last post. You dont like being shown the mirror! You get unreasonable and try to run away as always~!

PS Re "large number of Christian countries in Latin America"

These countries are predominantly Catholic and those such as FarnazMansouri awa many evangelical fundies would deny we are Christian. Christianity has its schisms just like Islam.

EBA

The Wiki article is extremely unsatisfactory, far too scanty, simply mentions "high birth rates" without linking the study. It links to Carnegie Institute--the institution--not the study itself.

As I wrote earlier, Islam is the major religion in countries where pop. growth is high, as in AFrica, but these countries have large Christian populations as well, with equally high birthrates.

No, the ascendancy of Islam is a relative phenomenon. Christianity has been decreasing as birthrates in LatAm--formerly the source of large numbers of Christian births--decline. Islamic countries have not been growing overly much, it's just Muslims are a rising % of the overall global population due to the decline in Christian births.

Additionally Christianity has been subjected to an enormous hostile campaign for, well, at least two and a half centuries. Read some Voltaire. He'd be right at home in "On Faith" (surely a misnomer!) Why continue to flog this dead horse? It's beyond me.

Yasser, since you deliberately misrepresent facts, I am about done with you.

The analysis that I quoted at the link was based on the intelligence gathered by the CIA, as clearly noted.

The full quote from another source that you swallow for argument sake is from another source and you left out the conclusion. Here it is.

"According to the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, the World Christian Database as of 2007 estimated the six fastest growing religions of the world to be Islam (1.84%), the Bahá'í Faith (1.7%), Sikhism (1.62%), Jainism (1.57%), Hinduism (1.52%), and Christianity (1.32%). High birth rates were cited as the reason for the growth"

Re: population growth: Christian vs Muslim (vs atheist?)

Looking at the data it seems to this (ex) demography student that geography trumps religion any day. If you are born in sub-Sahara Africa you will have lots of brothers and sisters, doesn't really matter what religion you follow. If you are born in Catholic Latin America (or evangelical LatAm) you'll have far fewer. If you're born in America you'll have one sibling.

http://tinyurl.com/ycn888n

http://tinyurl.com/ydyfeqd

(If you are born in Confucian China you won't have any siblings, and you'll be a boy. If you are born in Hindu India you'll have two, maybe three and they'll all be brothers. Both countries abort or kill their girl babies. See this week's Economist lead article on "Gendercide".)

Yasser, Sweetie Pie,
Yawn.
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What is she doing up at 5 in the morning *blogging*? Did she set the alarm early?

"The link also quotes New York Times which says that 25% of American Muslims (around 1.5 million) are converts to Islam..."
Posted by: yasseryousufi
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Yasser, most of these people are Black Muslims, which is a non-Islamic cult with very little in common with true Islam.

Some of the comments smells bad which shows what ugly personalities they might be.
These people are blogging under different names. many a times just one person himself talking to his spook.
It represents the sick nature of such immigrants who have migrated from places such as Iran or India etc.
One thing is clear all are biased. Even those who claim here to be atheists are found to belong to a certain religion. They know what I mean.
There agenda is to spread lies, confusion and chaos - shame on them

Btw, Yassir Angel Puss,

Aren't you late for the Taliban picnic?

Or, is it the Jamaat-e-Islami dinner that you're expected at?

Now, reread your post, Sweetcakes. Do you see why no one believes anything you say? Why you have alienated so many Christian bloggers on this site?

Ask Mommie to explain it to you.

Byebye, Talib.

Yasser, Sweetie Pie,

Yawn.

@edbyronadams

Now that we have established that the Muslim Birth rate is indeed normal in comparison with the Christian Birth rates, we can move on to Muslims Population Growth. One has to look at the credibility of the sources when one quotes sites like Wikipedia. Whereas I quoted UN sources, your link quotes sources like Indian Government and Vatican Priests. They can always be taken with a considerable pinch of salt. Anyways…..sticking to the statistics provided by the link the six fastest growing religions are

1. Islam (1.84%)
2. Bahá'í Faith (1.7%)
3. Sikhism (1.62%)
4. Jainism (1.57%)
5. Hinduism (1.52%)
6. Christianity (1.32%)

The link also quotes New York Times which says that 25% of American Muslims (around 1.5 million) are converts to Islam and in Britain 10,000 – 20,000 people convert to Islam every year. One can assume that the situation would not be much different in places like France, Germany and Netherlands. This number along with increased immigration should also be considered when calculating the higher growth rate of Islam in Europe.

@ Farnaz!

Anti-Semitism blah blah blah………………………………….blah blah! Its obvious that Farnaz wants the same hegemony in controlling criticism of Israel and Zionists as the AIPAC has American Congress and News outlets by their balls. Israel and zinoists should be beyond any condemnation even if they’re doing crimes in front of the whole world. I wouldn’t be surprised if she turns out to be an AIPAC plant who visits Pakistan, Bangladesh and other Islamic countries in the garb of a UN scholar to cook up half truths and spread mis-information about these countries.

Farnaz keeps raising the non-existent charge of me agreeing with protocols of the Zionists whatever even though I’ve mentioned it many times that I have never read such stuff neither do I care about it. She thinks it’s a proof of me being anti-Semitic! How can you argue with such people? She is also on record of having used incendiary and highly inflammatory language against Prophet Muhammad.

About Yousef, he was indeed kidnapped by Shin Beit as an 18 year old and kept in jail for 1 year during which he was regularly subjected to torture by his own admission. He was obviously let go after he agreed to working as a spy for Israel.I had never heard of this guy before and had accidentally bumped into this interview on CNN while surfing channels. If anyone has doubts about this, the interview is on amanpour’s website. I cannot understand all the hoopla around that interview. What are the Zionists upto with this non-issue?? Would this rabbi also publish the views of what Mordechai Vanunu, the Israeli Nuclear Scientist, has to say about the terrorist regime in Israel that masquerades as Government??

"Apostasy!"

What a silly and absurd concept, right out of the Middle Ages.

This is the kind of thinking that has put all the holes in the Holy Land.

Gag!

Blaming this man's apostasy on Hamas is like blaming the Rabbi's world view on the Lukud Party. The Rabbi's world view is much more than that as Mr. Yousef's apostasy is more than a disaffection with Hamas or his father for that matter. There is only one god-Allah and his messenger is Muhammad. This is a matter between Allah and this man. As the Prophet Muhammad said, Allah's peace and blesings be upon him,"Between shirk and kuf is a man's abandonment of prayer."

Thanks for adding facts to the discussion, Ed!

Amazing how useful the Google-reflex can be in discrediting misinformation and propaganda.

Just because Islam is growing rapidly doesn't make it right or true. It just means that the eventual and inevitable secularization process will be all that much more difficult and complex.

""Islam is the fastest growing world religion because of high birth rates in Muslim cultural areas, not conversions.""

"I believe that too is an uneducated statement. Muslims birth rate's are pretty normal compared to the rest of the world."

Here is a more appropriate Wikipedia reference
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_population_growth

"Muslim population growth refers to the topic of population growth of the global Muslim community. In 2006, countries with a Muslim majority had an average population growth rate of 1.8% per year (when weighted by percentage Muslim and population size).[1] This compares with a world population growth rate of 1.12% per year.[2] In India, Muslim population growth rate is higher by more than 10% compared to that of Hindus[3]."

Yasser types that I am an Islamophobe. Hilarious antisemitic Krap.

Actually, I am the only nonMuslim blogger on this site who has posted the truth about Pakistan as Yasser well knows since he agreed with me on all points.

Like all racists, he, who, btw., believes the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (his post available on request), he accuses and/or blames the victim, lies incessantly.

Yasser antisemitic? Impossible.

"So the Jewish Rabbi does a hitjob on Islam. Does that surprise anyone? "

Posted by: yasseryousufi | March 8, 2010 10:40 PM

And then there is the incessant lying:

"This boy was kidnapped from his home as a teenager by Shin Beit and beaten into pulp."

Posted by: yasseryousufi | March 8, 2010 10:40 PM
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No one pays any attention to Yasser any more since he is a known liar and racist.

However, I take exception to racism, and will always fight back. Cry and whine all you want, Yasser. Boohoo.

Boring.

Yawn.

If Mosab Yousef was suffering with "Stockholm Syndrome," then how come his father has disowned him?

And what's the deal with disowning your son? The father had him; the father will always be the father and the son will always be the son; merely making a superstitious incantation on the matter does not change the fact.

I suspect that this poor guy's father never did pay much attention to him.

The Rabbi suggests:
“Rather than liberating people from their gods, perhaps we should simply challenge them to articulate how their chosen god actually commands them to protect the lives of those who have made different choices.”
How can you convince a Muslim in your proposal if the main theme of their book and in turn the resulting ideology runs counter to the principle of tolerance?

Farnaz types:

Yasser, give it a rest. You have posted offensively time and again and have gotten called on it time and again, by countless bloggers.

Big lie doesn't work when everyone spots the big liar, in this instance you, time and again.

Boring.

Yawn.
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Im cool baby! You dont have to worry about me. Its you who has an obsession with me. I stopped reading your hatefull, treacherous posts long time ago. They are always full of half truths and your personal stories that no one cares about.

Once again I called you out for your lies in my previous post! Lost count how many times i've done that. I can see you have recanted your previous remark of me writing "wrethched" things about Jews and reformed it somewhat saying 'I've posted offensively time and again' Well thats true! My posts will be offensive to Islamophobes like you, Navin, clearthinking, CCNL etc. and ill continue to do that.

HA! HAA! How fun to see him/her rant so.

.....hmmm, perhaps the word has a different meaning in Tel Aviv..........

Posted by: coloradodog| March 9, 2010 9:56 PM
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Latest from Dog. Now, here is the Dog pushing his big nose in a post directed to another blogger. (In the rest of the post, Dog attempting to be "ironic," demonstrates that someone showed him how to look up a word. Good Dog!)

Antisemitic? Dog? No! Never!

Oh, and Dog, are you suggesting I am in Tel Aviv?

That I am Israeli? As you often suggest?

NOw, Dog, tell us why if I were Israeli, I wouldn't say so?

Why would an Israeli not say he/she was Israeli, Dog?

I'm not talking about me. Just explain to us why you see being from Tel Aviv, as something to conceal, while being from the US or Pakistan or Iran or England is not.

EXPLAIN, Dog. We all await your barking.

Yasser types:

FACT: I never posted on the previous post of this Rabbi let alone speak wretched things about Jews. I never criticize or condemn "Jews". Your posts expressing contempt and hatred for muslims and our Prophet are however, out there for all to see. They speak of a person who is hatefull, racist and full of herself. I have no idea why you have to poke me time and again, even though I ignore all your posts.
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Yasser, give it a rest. You have posted offensively time and again and have gotten called on it time and again, by countless bloggers.

Big lie doesn't work when everyone spots the big liar, in this instance you, time and again.

Boring.

Yawn.

Continued:

This woman psychotically hates Muslims and "Gentiles" and has used lies and vicious attacks on a religion I don't even belong to to attack me, too.

She recites anecdotes from Israel while claiming to be "Iranian-American" with tales of "Revolutionary Guards" and Catholic girls beating up her daughter. She is not only a trollette here with her own moniker but uses multiple screen names to have imaginary conversations among her multiple personalities. She does more damage to the image of Jews than those she immediately and automatically labels anti-Semitic with her lies.

I have reported her offensive comments several times but it seems she remains here out of sympathy or for her entertainment value.
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Dog,

I have not reported your offensive comments as often as I should, but they have been removed, so others evidently did.

Also, I do not use "multiple monikers." That is your purview, just as you were "molested by a priest," teach English in Mexico, LOL.

You are one sick "trollette" as you put it.
Also, illiterate. It is the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, moron, not "Revolutionary Guards."

Get help. You are not well. And as I have repeatedly told you, no one here has the ability to give you the medical attention you need.

ColoradoDog is obviously not in his right mind.
He continually accuses me of being Israeli, an Israeli "operative" or the like, etc.

I was born in Tehran, and have posted on my early life in Iran many times. As for the incident with my daughter, on that, too, I have posted. It should never have happened. It was an ugly, horrible experience, and not the sort of thing we expected to see in this country.

I was not naive about antisemitism here, even as a child, since, as I have posted, my mother went to university here and was aware of racism. Still, the sort of violence visited upon Az, the murder of Johana Justin Jinich, etc., was more than I expected.

Dog is ill. He makes insane allegations against this rabbi, and other Jews, which is what started the conflict between us. When he is called upon them, he invokes his father's WWII service, etc., then says I hurt him.

His latest lunacy is "accusing" me of being Israeli, making comments about the rabbi's "people." Which people? Americans?

Whatever position this rabbi takes, Dog attributes to his Jewishness. Examples available upon request.

I was born in Tehran, raised there, until we had to leave. I have posted on my childhood, there, many times, and much of it was good. Having to flee in the night, not being sure we would live, I admit, was not good. The murder of Ismael was not good. Not good at all.

Dog is an inveterate liar, a sick and confused person. As I have remarked before, I cannot help him, although I wish I could.

Before he began attacking Jews, he was continually posting on Arroyo's cite, attacking the Church as being a haven for child molesters. The entire Church. And regardless of the topic.

He claims he was molested by a priest as a child. Also says he lives in Mexico, where he teaches English. One day, he'll tell us that a rabbi thwarted his career as a lunar nuclear physicist.

One thing is certain. He is lunar.

Get help, Dog. You need it.

"Why does a son raised in a devout and loving Muslim family reject virtually every idea with which he was raised..." etcetra.

It doesn't necessarily follow that a devoutly religious person is loving. What an odd idea. It was devoutly religious young men who brought down the WTC on 9/11. If all religious people were loving - then I might consider religion - as irrational as it is - to be admirable in some ways. But it is nonsense. The jails are overflowing with religious people, and it's religious people who may blow us all up one of these days. Religion sucks, and has all the veracity of astrology and tealeaf reading. Enough already.

correction (wireless keyboard problems - sorry)

This woman psychotically hates Muslims and "Gentiles" and has used lies and vicious attacks on a religion I don't even belong to to attack me, too.

She recites anecdotes from Israel while claiming to be "Iranian-American" with tales of "Revolutionary Guards" and Catholic girls beating up her daughter. She is not only a trollette here with her own moniker but uses multiple screen names to have imaginary conversations among her multiple personalities. She does more damage to the image of Jews than those she immediately and automatically labels anti-Semitic with her lies.

I have reported her offensive comments several times but it seems she remains here out of sympathy or for her entertainment value.

@Farnaz mansouri!

Do you always have to use lies to get noticed??

"I also took exception to wretched things YasserYousufi posted on Jews and on this rabbi on the previous thread."
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This woman psychotically hates Muslims and "Gentiles" and has used lies and vicious attacks on a religion I don't evef belong to to attack me, too.

She recites anecdotes from Israel while claiming to the "Iranian-American" with tales of "Revolutionary Guards" and Catholic girls beating up her daughter. She is not only a trollette here with her own moniker but uses multiple screen names to have imaginary conversations among her multiple personalities. She does more damage to the image of Jews than those she immediately and automatically labels anti-Semetic with her lies.

I have reported her offensive comments several times but it seems she remains here our of sympathy or for her entertainment value.

@Farnaz mansouri!

Do you always have to use lies to get noticed??

"I also took exception to wretched things YasserYousufi posted on Jews and on this rabbi on the previous thread."

FACT: I never posted on the previous post of this Rabbi let alone speak wretched things about Jews. I never criticize or condemn "Jews". Your posts expressing contempt and hatred for muslims and our Prophet are however, out there for all to see. They speak of a person who is hatefull, racist and full of herself. I have no idea why you have to poke me time and again, even though I ignore all your posts.

"Islam is the fastest growing world religion because of high birth rates in Muslim cultural areas, not conversions."

I believe that too is an uneducated statement. Muslims birth rate's are pretty normal compared to the rest of the world. According to the UN the country with the highest birth rate is Democratic Republic of Congo! Also 5 out of top ten countries with the highest birth rate are Christian dominated. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_birth_rate)

The mental state of Yousef is a paradoxical psychological behaviour defined by experts as Stockholm Syndrome.

"Legion, your name is, BlaiseP."

AWK!

"Legion, BlaiseP's name is"

le·gion (ljn)
n.
1. The major unit of the Roman army consisting of 3,000 to 6,000 infantry troops and 100 to 200 cavalry troops.
2. A large military unit trained for combat; an army.
3. A large number; a multitude. See Synonyms at multitude.
4. often Legion A national organization of former members of the armed forces.

.....hmmm, perhaps the word has a different meaning in Tel Aviv..........

It is always interestig when a non-Muslims comes in and says that Islam is a religion of peace when all the evidence points to the opposite. Muslims every day are quoting koran to justify brutal massacres of civilians every where but non-Muslims want to appease them. What a great disservice to the cause of peace.

"And if they are credible, what about the more than a million americans who converted to Islam. ...."

Muslim logic 101;

Why is your koran such a stupid book?
Muslim: We are 1.5 billion.
Your prophet mohammed was a terrorist.
Muslim: Westerners are converting to islam daily.
Mohammed was a pedophile.
Muslim: Women are converting to Islam.
Koran is a violent book with filthy verses.
Muslim: It is a miracle book, it is full of science
...

MOre on BlaiseP

I also took exception to wretched things YasserYousufi posted on Jews and on this rabbi on the previous thread.

And the "tolerant" BlaiseP? Defended ole Yasser, attacked Onofrio, who stood up to him.

Legion, BlaiseP's name is. It's in BlaiseP's book.

BlaiseP:

Y'know, Zzim, somehow I think they are not very hard to miss, and we haven't heard from a few regulars yet, but they'll be along soon. Colorado is tolerant in that he hates *all* religion, (can we say he is catholic in his anti-religious views?) whereas Farnaz & coterie dislike Christians, especially Catholics.
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How does one put it. What you have written is dishonest and you know it. I took exception to ColoradoDog's casting R. Hirschfield as an APAC shill, and worse. What has this rabbi to do with AIPAC? On other threads he said wretchedly offensive things about this man, as he has done with other Jews.

Further, he has been confronted by me about this numerous times. He did not get it. I not only directed your attention to his offensive antisemitic remarks on the previous thread; I posted them.

Yet you blamed the victim, much as rapists blame the women they molest. You did the same with posts by another blogger.

To you, any Jew who defends herself, any cultural or observant Christian who stands up against anti-Jewish racism is ant-. The only thing I'm anti- is racism. I could easily pull all the posts to which I refer and paste them there, showing mine to have been defensive, yours to have been behind the bigots.

My "coterie" is small, unfortunately. The number who stand up for themselves and others is quite small.

Yours, BlaiseP, is, alas, large. In fact, its name is legion, is it not.

You can neither post rationally to me nor to anyone else when called on quite politely as you demonstrated on the last thread. All you had to do was rethink your stance. You could not. Literally. You would rather sneak around and spread poison.

There are words for this sort of thing in Judaism, Islam, Christianity/Catholicism. They are not pretty.

Legion, your name is, BlaiseP.

What a cleaver piece of propaganda and twisting of the realities - purpose? To change the mind of the readers as per the desire of the writer.
POSITIONING OF A BRAND

Lol, thanks for the chuckle, Blaisep. Personally, the intolerant don't really bother me as long as they confine their activities to intolerant words. I don't really mind being condemned to imaginary hells. I just... can't see anything offensive about that.

However, if one of the idgits tries to hasten my exit from the mortal plane, then I'm quite intolerant of that.

At least I admit it. I am intolerant of the intolerant.

Re: "spotting intolerant folk"

Y'know, Zzim, somehow I think they are not very hard to miss, and we haven't heard from a few regulars yet, but they'll be along soon. Colorado is tolerant in that he hates *all* religion, (can we say he is catholic in his anti-religious views?) whereas Farnaz & coterie dislike Christians, especially Catholics. I think the more specific you are in your dislike, the more you refuse to admit the possibility of another view, the more prejudiced is your outlook.

“Religion will destroy mankind and Muslims, Christians and Jews will lead the way.”
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Thanks for adding your “tolerant” views, Colorado. If anyone was confused about who the intolerant folks are around here, now they know.

“Keeping women barefoot and pregnant helps. Darwin is on the side of Allah."
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Spoken like an uneducated redneck!! Is this the best reason you could come up with???
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Ed didn’t express it very politely, but he is correct. Islam is the fastest growing world religion because of high birth rates in Muslim cultural areas, not conversions. These same high birth rates are also one of the primary causes of the lack of economic progress of those same countries.

ZZIM, the author is a wily old cat! He specifically put that headling to make it provocative. I dont think people commenting on this article have actually watched that complete interview on CNN. Its on christiane amanpour's website as well. Yousuf clearly admits in that interview that he was severly torchered by Shin Beit and he actually ended up working as a spy for the Israelis! How can the views of this guy be taken as credible and put on a headline.
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I read that, too but I don’t think that his treatment by the Israelis should affect his credibility regarding Islam or Hamas.

In the end, it’s just one guy giving his personal opinion of the politics and religion he grew up with. He’s an expert because he came from the inside. But in the end, he’s only one man and it’s only his personal opinion.

"The God of Muslims is the same as the God of Christians and Jews."

With a common denominator of uncompromising intolerance for others.

Religion will destroy mankind and Muslims, Christians and Jews will lead the way.

"Keeping women barefoot and pregnant helps. Darwin is on the side of Allah."

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Spoken like an uneducated redneck!! Is this the best reason you could come up with???

"Despite the 24/7 Islam bashing that goes on in US and Europe, how come Islam is still the fastest growing religion??"

Keeping women barefoot and pregnant helps. Darwin is on the side of Allah.

How does anyone separate religion from the other aspects of the culture in which it predominates?

To me that is the quandary when looking at the Arab/Muslim culture. It is clearly dysfunctional with Muslim majority nations struggling to find a modern political ethos and vibrant economies. Perhaps their god is a lie if it is at the heart of their social pathologies.

ZZIM, the author is a wily old cat! He specifically put that headling to make it provocative. I dont think people commenting on this article have actually watched that complete interview on CNN. Its on christiane amanpour's website as well. Yousuf clearly admits in that interview that he was severly torchered by Shin Beit and he actually ended up working as a spy for the Israelis! How can the views of this guy be taken as credible and put on a headline.

And if they are credible, what about the more than a million americans who converted to Islam. There was a report on the NBC channel that said 20,000 americans convert to islam every year. Islam is the fastest growing religion in US, UK, France, Germany, Holland you name it. There are more female converts than male converts. And these people include former diplomats, entrepreneurs, college professors, politicians and other highly educated people. No Islamophobe posting on this blog has ever been able to give a reason for that. Despite the 24/7 Islam bashing that goes on in US and Europe, how come Islam is still the fastest growing religion??

Boniface VII was a false pope who reigned (?) in AD 985. What a good example..But keep going bpai99. Maybe you meant Bofiface VIII.Oh yes! He is far more current, lived about AD 1235.

Strange what a mess you can make out of historical sources when you depend upon atheist websites for all your knowledge. If only you had had a glimpse at Wiki, you'd sound somewhat more plausible.

I'll never trash Wiki again, I promise.

As Stephen Colbert has pointed out, many Christians are very tolerant in that they feel there are an infinite number of paths to accepting Jesus Christ as your personal savior.

"It is necessary for salvation for every human creature to be subject to the Roman pontiff." - Pope Boniface VII

Liberating Muslims from "their god"
So the Jewish Rabbi does a hitjob on Islam. Does that surprise anyone?

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Yasser, you don’t seem to be reading what was written above. Yousef is the one calling for liberation from Allah. The rabbi is actually defending Islam from Yousef’s accusations that Islam is a 1,400 year old lie.

I don’t know what goes on in Yousef’s head, but he seems pretty articulate to me.

"This boy was kidnapped from his home as a teenager by Shin Beit and beaten into pulp. He clearly cannot even speak a sentence coherrently."

Still looking for reliable references to support these accusations!!

"This boy was kidnapped from his home as a teenager by Shin Beit and beaten into pulp. He clearly cannot even speak a sentence coherrently."
Reliable references are???
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Not that I particularly enjoy responding to CCNL1 and his various other false monikers, anyone doubting that this boy was an agent of Shin Beit and was indeed torchered by Israelis can google his name or go to amanpour.com to watch his interview.

"This boy was kidnapped from his home as a teenager by Shin Beit and beaten into pulp. He clearly cannot even speak a sentence coherrently."

Reliable references are???

Liberating Muslims from "their god"

So the Jewish Rabbi does a hitjob on Islam. Does that surprise anyone? This boy was kidnapped from his home as a teenager by Shin Beit and beaten into pulp. He clearly cannot even speak a sentence coherrently. Israel will always get a few of these kind through money and brutal torcher. But you'd be foolish not to know the real reason for the existence of Hamas. Its the occupation stupid!!!

"Why does a son raised in a devout and loving Muslim family....." Loving????

What is missing from your appraisal is any suggestion that the policies of the Israelis are themselves causing the fanaticism which Yousef now claims to abhor. That they fanned those particular flames into a white hot heat as a "buffer" against the secular PLO is now forgotten; as is the brutality and daily humiliations the Palestinians suffer under the occupation. The surprise in this case is that there has been only one "traitor" like Yousef, which says much for the resiliency of the Palestinians.