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Arun Gandhi is ABSOLUTELY correct and his analysis of Israel's oppression of the Palestinians is absolutely spot on - he SHOULD NOT apologize and has no reason to at all. If anything he should be proud of what he says and stand to his views.

I agree with Mr. Gandhi's sentiments.

I was appalled by the over-reaction to his comments, which validate his original observations and conclusions. Even more-so by the "invitation" for him to write a sequel about "what he had learned from this event." Is he some child to be chastised for uttering blasphemy? Should he be sent to the Principal's office?

Of late, whenever an individual -- no matter what his/her status -- remarks about Israel or Judaic issues in the slightest critical manner, that individual is vilified by the AIPAC pit bulls, who immediately wave the "anti-Semitic" banner and condemn the writer in ad-hominem attacks; but the content of the writer's comments is rarely addressed.

The result is a blanket censorship by intimidation -- which on any other topic would be intolerable to the Fourth Estate. What's next? Book-burning to teach people of Mr. Gandhi's ilk the lesson that "freedom of speech" as it applies to Israel is not to be tolerated?

Mr Gandhi certainly learned his lesson:
i.e., speak your mind and be publicly humiliated and forced to resign from your job. A great moral lesson for our kids.

Frankly, your remarks were more than "poorly worded." They were rabidly racist, venomous, hateful. You are not a young man, Mr. Gandhi. It is unfortunate that in the long life Hashem has blessed you with, you have learned so little to love your fellow human.

Frankly, your remarks were more than "poorly worded." They were rabidly racist, venemous, hateful, evidence of an appalling ignorance of Judaism, Jews, Israel, and the Holocaust. You are not a young man, Mr. Gandhi. It is unfortunate that you have learned so little to love your fellow humans in your long life.

Frankly, your remarks were more than "poorly worded." They were rabidly racist, venemous, hateful, evidence of an appalling ignorance of Judaism, Jews, Israel, and the Holocaust. You are not a young man, Mr. Gandhi. It is unfortunate that you have learned so little to love your fellow humans in your long life.

Q. What is the lesson to be drawn from this pathetic episode?

A. A great man can have an idiot for a grandson.

Arun is not a bigot,just a bigidiot.

"One does not create a country, using other people's land,"

True. That's why the Arab Muslim states in Jordan, Syria and Egypt have no right to exist and there will be violence and fighting until the Muslim invaders are driven off the lands they've been illegitimately occupying for the last 1400 years or so.

No justice, no peace, as jew-hating western leftys like to say.

How come anybody say Mr. Arun is hurting, while he is speaking the truth. America is a free country. Freedom of speech is fundamental to the rights of every human.

Arun Gandhi is a noble man. And he is certainly not a bigot.

One would have to admire the Israeli's,even after all this rubbish that is thrown at them.They are still standing tall.Surging ahead in every endeavor,and in every field.The Aruns of this world will be ignored,and kicked to the side-walk.

This is not the place to discuss problems in Islam.

If that were the case,then why the hell are the Indians occupying Kashmir,murdering and slaughtering innocent Kashmiri civilians....Imraan Farouque

The Arun Gandhi's words may be poorly worded in his Jewsish identity blog but his post does speak of truth.

The Israeli's for example have been agressivly grabbing more and more palestinian lands using illegal Jewish colonies. Why should Isreal be considered a perpetual victim, while all the time it has been slowly throtling the Palestians under one pretext or the other ?

The very creation of Israel is actualy a racist, colonial act. If the Christian west had so much guilt about the prosecution of Jews for 2000 years followed by the Holucast, they should have carved a country for Jews out of there own lands.

One does not create a country, using other people's land, no matter who lived in the land 2000 years ago.

Its starting to get tiresome that every time Israeli policy is questioned a bunch of people shout Zealot and raise charges of anti-semitism.

Ashok.

"Since the first Infitada started in the late 1980s the Jews and the Jewish state have killed less than 5,000 Palestinians."

Correction: Make that less than 6,000.

Unlike Arun Gandhi if I say something that isn't correct, I correct it.

That's because I'm not a liar.

"We have created a culture of violence (Israel and the Jews are the biggest players)"

Liar.

Retract your lie, liar.

Since the first Infitada started in the late 1980s the Jews and the Jewish state have killed less than 5,000 Palestinians.

During the same period Indian Hindus like you have killed tens of thousands of people in the fighting in Kashmir, including, according to the human rights group, Human Rights Watch, several thousand people summarily executed by the Indian Army and Indian paramilitaries.

Indian Hindus like you are far bigger players in the so-called culture of violence than the Jews are.

Retract your lie, liar.

"Are Palestinians not victims???"

No, they're foreign invaders, imperialists, colonialists, terrorists and murderers squatting on lands that don't belong to them and currently they're killing innocent people in an attempt to regain political control over lands stolen by them from Christians and Jews centuries ago.

That's what they are.

Pray tell "AAron". In Iran where they hang gays and teenagers,or Cuba where they kill just about everybody,or perhaps Pakistan where they slit innocent journalists throats on camera,hang on,this civilized world would have to be in Saudi Arabia where beheadings are a national sport.Or Venezuela
where a moronic dictator is trying to start a war in South America.I could go on and on and on about this wonderful civilized world of yours,but I'm starting to get bored.Aaron find a beach,take this Arun with you and walk into the sunset and don't look back.

I agree with Mr. Gandhi to a large extent that the Israeli government deserves severe reproachment and condemnation for perpetrating grave atrocities on Palestinians and for resorting to barbaric means which they are so comfortable calling "collective punishment".

What the Palestinians have endured at the hands of Israel (which cannot be denied is largely a Jewish state) is no less than what Jews have had to endure. The holocaust happened six decades back and all Germans (not just Nazis) had to own up to the acts of a mad man (afterall the mad man came to power on "popular support"). Likewise, the Jews of Israel must have to own up for the government at the centre is their popularly elected government. Moreover the hell that has been unleashed upon Palestinians in what was once their own land, makes the Israeli actions appear all the more vicious. It is hilarious how Israel invokes the holocaust argument and anti-semitic argument to project to the world that they are "victims" while conveniently forgetting or ignoring what they have been doing to Palestinians for such a long time. Are Palestinians not victims??? And if anyone (Mr. Gandhi included) points this out to a nation full of self-pity, then he/she is immediately branded an "anti-Semite". For God's sake....get some balance. Israel has the potential to be a great nation if it basis its future on "forgive and forget" rather than "Tit-for-Tat". Mr. Gandhi's point, besides the inappropriate use of the word "Jews", is well received. I think Mr. Gandhi had everything else exactly right and Washington Post should not squirm from posting similar articles in future which challenge domination by the unjust.

Thinking about the world more objectively, the real axis of evil administrations are those of China, Israel and the US because all of them manifest serious land-grabbing tendencies - an uncivilized trait in what we call a civilized world.

I agree with Mr. Gandhi to a large extent that the Israeli government deserves severe reproachment and condemnation for perpetrating grave atrocities on Palestinians and for resorting to barbaric means which they are so comfortable calling "collective punishment".

What the Palestinians have endured at the hands of Israel (which cannot be denied is largely a Jewish state) is no less than what Jews have had to endure. The holocaust happened six decades back and all Germans (not just Nazis) had to own up to the acts of a mad man (afterall the mad man came to power on "popular support"). Likewise, the Jews of Israel must have to own up for the government at the centre is their popularly elected government. Moreover the hell that has been unleashed upon Palestinians in what was once their own land, makes the Israeli actions appear all the more vicious. It is hilarious how Israel invokes the holocaust argument and anti-semitic argument to project to the world that they are "victims" while conveniently forgetting or ignoring what they have been doing to Palestinians for such a long time. Are Palestinians not victims??? And if anyone (Mr. Gandhi included) points this out to a nation full of self-pity, then he/she is immediately branded an "anti-Semite". For God's sake....get some balance. Israel has the potential to be a great nation if it basis its future on "forgive and forget" rather than "Tit-for-Tat". Mr. Gandhi's point, besides the inappropriate use of the word "Jews", is well received. I think Mr. Gandhi had everything else exactly right and Washington Post should not squirm from posting similar articles in future which challenge domination by the unjust.

Thinking about the world more objectively, the real axis of evil administrations are those of China, Israel and the US because all of them manifest serious land-grabbing tendencies - an uncivilized trait in what we call a civilized world.

And our trust is in our weapons.

Enunciating that a nonviolent alternative to the middle east's problems must be found is a major service that Arum Ghandi has performed. Mr Ghandi has preached nonviolence directly to the Palestinian leadership as well. Only by opening their hearts to the message of peace can the people of the middle east find a whole way forward. The University of Rochester does a serious disservice to the cause of academic freedom as well as that of peace by pressuring Mr Ghandi to resign. It Is a shame we cannot discuss nonviolence civilly.

"His grandfather had a balanced approach to the Jewish presence in Israel."

Sure he did. Gandhi's position was that westerners had no right to come to India and force their culture and political systems on Indians, OTOH, according to Gandhi, westerners had no right to resist when Muslims come to the middle east and force their culture and political systems on westerners (which the Muslims have been doing in Palestine for nearly 1400 years).

"It is my firm opinion that Europe today represents not the spirit of God or Christianity but the spirit of Satan."--M. Gandhi

Gandhi hated the west with every fiber of his being, so much so that he was unable to extend to westerners (be they Christian or Jew) the same right to defend their lands and culture against foreign domination that he demanded for himself and his people.

Gandhi's approach was simple, he had no moral principle higher than hating western civilization, and if indulging his passionate hatred for the west meant applying double standards, then that's what he did.

Kinda runs in the family.

"the State of Israel's slow gentle genocide."

Today's jew-haters are much like the Nazi jew-haters of the 20th century. Unable to justify their hatred for Jews and the Jewish-state with real reasons, they have to fabricate false reasons to justify their irrational hatred. This then gets repeated ad nauseum in a technique Nazi propaganda-master, Goebbels, called "The Big Lie", and finally, when the slaughter begins, the cries of "they were committing genocide against us" will be on the lips of every Arab thug, just like the cry "they're dirty untermenschen" was on the lips of every German who took part in the mass slaughter of Jews and Slavs in the 1940s.

Some things never change.

Where are our Jewish and Hebrew brothers and sisters to support the truth and this man of truth? Shame on you all.

Please do not ask why. Your question is written in the sand.

P. Candlelight

Sir,

What you said was by no means outside of the bounds of discussion. I wish you would have stood your ground and stayed on at the institute you yourself founded.

I find Mr. Arun Gandhi's initial comment an unfortunate mistake, careless. However, he obviously did not mean to castigate Judaism or Jewish people per se, just those who are in charge in the Israeli government. His grandfather had a balanced approach to the Jewish presence in Israel. See http://www.freedomarchives.org/pipermail/news_freedomarchives.org/2004-June/000449.html
THE JEWS IN PALESTINE, By Mahatma Gandhi 1938.

Jewish or pro-Zionist groups in the US who pressured his resignation may have been forced by their very mandate as protectors, given the actual words Mr. Gandhi chose. Technically they were correct, as was the President to accept with his mandatory statement concerning the unbefittingness of Mr. Gandhi's initial comment.

However, However, However----

Unfortunately, many proper and religious/or secular Jews are indeed foundered by the immense weight of the actual events of the Jewish Holocaust AND its post-event trauma, perpetrated beyond proportion under the direction of what is known and observable as the "holocaust industry."

In the longer term, the wrong lessons are being taken from the Holocaust, such as its exclusivity for Jews, its absolute uniqueness, its chances of repetition. 1) Holocausts have occurred for others, including Chinese citizens, Soviet citizens, Southeast Asians, Central American Indians, and yes Muslims, all in that same Century of Holocaust. Indeed millions of non-Jews were killed by the Nazis. 2) Holocausts of different natures have taken place, such as War Holocausts in Tokyo and Hiroshima and Cambodia, Cleansing Holocausts of North and South American Indians of equally immense proportions, and the like. 3) As for future Holocaust fears, slow unexciting economic holocausts also count toward this dismay, such as what is happening NOW to 1.5 million Muslims who live in Gaza.

The reason Mr. Gandhi is still concerned about many Jew's response is similar to how I have thought of the current Jewish dilemma:

Too many Jews allow the shadow of the Jewish Holocaust to be used by pro-Israeli state Zionist idealists to in turn use current Jews around the world as "family hostages", who by their own forced silence, observe in horror while their good reputation is being abused by Zionists as a moral cover for the State of Israel's slow gentle genocide. In the eyes of the uneducated world citizenry, this association may someday undermine the moral backing of ALL Jews, most of whom are innocent, and at a minimum puts the long-term existence of this country into peril, at which point in time its not-so-Jewish leaders would simply evacuate to save themselves and their wealth.

The use of protracted fear of Holocaust to garner sympathy and acquiescence for the continued wielding of a mean-spirited overbearing military apparatus against poor people is simply unsustainable. Think of it, Israel’s reputation around the world is as bad as that of the US President’s????

Dear All,

I go through all the comments posted on the site and sorry to observe that despite huge advancements , people all over world are still prejudiced , rationally blind and intellectually poor. Most of the comments(either in favour Mr.Gandhi or against)are not outcomes of reason or rational thinking but reflections of individual prejudices and predilections.

Despite being a Muslim with a religious background , I always felt equally pained if anything happen to an israeli citizen or a palestanian person.They all are fellow human beings. Nothing gives us the right to take human lives.
May God bless all the people with good senses!
AMEN..
Those who believe love and peace are the only things which will beget salvation and enlightenment to human being can share his views with me : abdullah71@gmail.com

Dear All,

I go through all the comments posted on the site and sorry to observe that despite huge advancements , people all over world are still prejudiced , rationally blind and intellectually poor. Most of the comments(either in favour Mr.Gandhi or against)are not outcomes of reason or rational thinking but reflections of individual prejudices and predilections.

Despite being a Muslim with a religious background , I always felt equally pained if anything happen to an israeli citizen or a palestanian person.They all are fellow human beings. Nothing gives us the right to take human lives.
May God bless all the people with good senses!
AMEN..
Those who believe love and peace are the only things which will beget salvation and enlightenment to human being can share his views with me : abdullah71@gmail.com

Dear All,

I go through all the comments posted on the site and sorry to observe that despite huge advancements , people all over world are still prejudiced , rationally blind and intellectually poor. Most of the comments(either in favour Mr.Gandhi or against)are not outcomes of reason or rational thinking but reflections of individual prejudices and predilections.

Despite being a Muslim with a religious background , I always felt equally pained if anything happen to an israeli citizen or a palestanian person.They all are fellow human beings. Nothing gives us the right to take human lives.
May God bless all the people with good senses!
AMEN..
Those who believe love and peace are the only things which will beget salvation and enlightenment to human being can share his views with me : abdullah71@gmail.com

for the past sixty years the United States and the western governments have encouraged the Israelis to nurture the embattled frame of mind forcefully occupying land which has been the peaceful habitat of generations of
Jews and Palestinians living as good neighbours.The promise of a "Home Land" has no sanctitiy at all. This claim of a promised home land stands on the same footing as the the Hindu's calim of a temple for Rama in India on which the totally unaccepable destruction of Babri Masjid ,a Muslim Holy Shrine, was justified.
Is it not time for the Jews of the United States to advocate a complete disarmament of the region and work out an equitable solution in which the legitimate rights of all is ensured without trying to harp on the old grievances

"Why is Gandhi being skewered and dishonored for uttering, for the sake of peace, the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?"

Because what he says isn't true.

Also, because people like me hate phonies like him who go around engaging in acts, and making statements that are designed to cause violence (by inciting hatred against Jews in this case) while pretending to be seekers of peace. Same hypocritical crap his grandfather pulled in India with predictable results...hundreds of thousands of people killed, not in the cause of peace at any cost, but in the cause of driving the British out of India at any cost.

Finally, because the Palestinians are the enemies of my blood, and I automatically hate anyone who's on their side.

There's three good reasons for you, hoss.

Now, feel free to resume your lie-filled anti-semitic tirade.

Dear fellow Americans and seekers of peace everywhere:

Regarding Arun Gandhi’s remarks about Jews-
And his ouster therefore:
We do not need another Holocaust
Nor Do we need another Gandhi Martyrdom

I only wish I stood in a position wherefrom I might reject the resignation of Arun Gandhi from his position as chairman of the his Institute for Non-violence at the University of Rochester.

I herewith encourage him to withdraw his resignation, which was obviously under fire, and to resist peacefully the avalanche of pious, pro-Semitic sentiment that has worked his cruel institutional undoing as a voice of peace and sanity in the perennially-warring world of religion and religious zealots.

Gandhi’s surrender “under fire” is reminiscent of the media’s banishment of American odds-maker, “Jimmy the Greek” for his utterly-true but politically untimely mentioning that blacks in America have selective breeding during slavery to thank for their clearly superior (over American Caucasian counterpart athletes) athletic abilities.
Why is Gandhi being skewered and dishonored for uttering, for the sake of peace, the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
Why in fact has he been driven to recant any of his Jan. 7 essay? Why has he, himself in his January 12 “Apology” stated: “ I do not believe and should not have implied that the policies of the Israeli government are reflective of the views of all Jewish people. Indeed, many are as concerned as I am by the use of violence for state purposes, by Israel and many other governments.” ?
In fact Gandhi did not attribute militancy to “all Jews” or “all” of Israel, but his comment was clearly both fair and true in implication because if all Jews are not in favor of Israel’s hard line policies in Palestine, virtually all of those in favor of those hard-line policies are in fact Jews. The same goes for the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948 and every year since: Israel was established with pre-meditated (massive) bloodshed. The original settlers, despite the vote of the League of Nations granting them their national raison d’etre, knew the inhabitants of the ceded territories would immediately attack them when the grant was accepted and immigration begun, and the settlement of Israel was begun with the heart, mind and intent of the acquisitive warrior.

Israel was perhaps settled by Israeli’s but the State of Israel was established by its affluent Jewish supporters in America. Without the millions of dollars granted Israeli settlers and soldiers, without the grants of weapons and military vehicles, advisers and munitions, from 1948 through and including 2008, Israel, America’s puppet Jewish settlement in the Middle East promised land (shared by both Jewish and Christian Biblical mythologies and religious dogma), there would be no Israel and no violence in the Middle East (save perennial squabbles over subterranean oil deposits, mostly our fault too), and on this virtually unassailable ground, Gandhi’s thesis and assertions were quite simply true.

Gandhi didn’t even mention the recently-verified (by bin Laden himself reportedly) that the attack on America on 9/11/01 was clearly the result of America’s alliance with Israel, and who is historically-challenged enough today to gainsay the causal nexus between our current war in Iraq (and insipient financial collapse) and that attack on 9/11?

But along with the truth of his assertions, there was the collateral fact that his sooth-sayings were also “stereotypical”, and what is more, stereotypical shots at religious sacred cows are and will remain taboo until the inviolable halo of “religion” is removed from people who largely use their religious beliefs as cause(s) de guerre.

Israel is at war, constantly, with its neighbors because it seized an opportunity born of Europe’s (and perhaps the world’s) guilt and compassion over the holocaust. But more non-Jewish than Jewish people were slaughtered by the horrors of Hitler’s Axis of evil during the same period; they were simply not slaughtered for “religious” or ethnic reasons.

But the Holocaust was, as Gandhi quite cogently put it, over a half century ago. To maintain a sense of “victimhood” and unrelenting defensive and offensive militancy from 1938 through 2008 is reminiscent of the idiocy parodied by Mark Twain in Huckleberry Finn, where a new comrade of the young protagonist is killed by a family foe in a feud the origins and reasons for which were no longer known.

The ouster of Gandhi for telling the truth of Israel’s perennially militant stand in the world is hypocritical at best, both from the standpoints of his affiliations with Rochester and the “On Faith” page of the Washington Post. Shame, shame on (all three of them): University of Rochester’s President , Joel Seligman and On-Faith’s Sally Quinn and Jon Meacham for disloyalty and cowardice beyond the call of duty.

I note that it’s no longer possible from the “main page” of the Washington Post “On Faith” blog even to scroll down to Gandhi’s January 7th commentary on Israel and the Jews. Readers of Michelle Boorstein’s January 26 coverage of Gandhi’s forced resignation have to research the matter of Gandhi’s so-called “anti Semitic” assertions indirectly by meandering through the plethora of principally Jewish protests currently bombarding the ramparts of the Post’s and University of Rochester’s blogs.

I don’t accuse Gandhi of cowardice, however. I think he retreated not because it was the “just” thing to do, but rather because it was the peaceful thing to do. He was true to his (and his grandfather’s) form and walking his walk. But having said that, I think his retreat and apology are both morally wrong and counter-productive in the cause of peace. Even the Dalai Lama in his book on happiness concedes that, even though it is essential to love your neighbors even when they are your enemies….sometimes it is necessary to do what is required to defend yourself and your loved ones from attack. I am herewith attempting to do for Arun Gandhi what he appears to be unwilling to do, justly, for himself.

The “On Faith” blog was purportedly established to create a clearing house and open forum for sharing eclectic and creative ideas and views on religion. To quote from Quinn’s and Meacham’s own mission statement, the purpose of the blog on which Gandhi expressed his views included: (the exchange of views ….)

“From the nature of evil to religious reformation, from the morality of fetal stem-cell research to the history of scripture, from how to raise kids in multi-faith households to the place of gays in traditional churches -- of the asking of questions, to paraphrase Ecclesiastes, there shall be no end.

Well, it appears that Gandhi has discovered that there in fact “shall be …an end”…that is a point at which free expressions of religious ideas are no longer found “tolerable”, either in the peaceful institution of his own foundation or among his allies in the media or University.

I detest, rebuke and renounce all those actions and expressions which have culminated in Arun Gandhi’s forced resignation from his position and candid quest for peace. This event smacks of fascistic theocracy and embodies the odiously-evolving of religious institutions in our collective midst in terms recently portrayed by Philip Pullman’s trilogy, “His Dark Materials” ( including, most recently, the movie, “The Golden Compass”). The University of Rochester, Gandhi Institute, and “On Faith” bloggers are all acting in concert as the evil and oppressive “Magisterium” in Pullman’s brilliant and prescient fictional accounting of a world progressively reducing itself to an oligarchy of fascistic religious fundamentalists--and a concomitant intellectual peasantry of masses afraid to oppose—or even to question them.

I am (the writer hereof) no more an anti-Semite than Arun Ghandhi is. And Arun Ghandhi is in no way or degree an anti-Semite. Being anti-Zionist is not being anti-Semite. Israel is a Zionist state. Zionism is a matter of unjustified and aggressive war and conquest based on religious mythology. Knowing and stating such truth does not make me an anti-Semite. Knowing and stating that Israel, with its American-manufactured and financed armaments is the most militant and aggressive state in the Middle East, having the greatest stockpile of weapons of mass –and minor—destruction does not make either me or Gandhi’s comments consonant with such truths…anti-Semitic.

The end of Arun Gandhi’s January 7th comments are essentially my own, and so I will close with them, primarily in order to cleanse them of the diluting taint of his subsequent –unwarranted--apology therefor.

Well, with your superior weapons and armaments and your attitude towards your neighbors would it not be right to say that you are creating a snake pit? How can anyone live peacefully in such an atmosphere? Would it not be better to befriend those who hate you? Can you not reach out and share your technological advancement with your neighbors and build a relationship?
Apparently, in the modern world, so determined to live by the bomb, this is an alien concept. You don't befriend anyone, you dominate them. We have created a culture of violence (Israel and the Jews are the biggest players) and that Culture of Violence is eventually going to destroy humanity.
Accordingly, about both the Jewish Holocaust and the martyrdom of anyone named Gandhi for telling the truth, I say the same thing—
NEVER AGAIN !
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Mean in spirit and mean in looks.Christ this man is butt ugly.No amount of posts from his cheer-leaders are able to save this man's ugly soul.He has sold his soul to the devil by supping with him.

Dear fellow Americans and seekers of peace everywhere:

Regarding Arun Gandhi’s remarks about Jews-
We do not need another Holocaust;
Nor Do we need another Gandhi martyrdom

I only wish I stood in a position wherefrom I might reject the resignation of Arun Gandhi from his position as chairman of the his Institute for Non-violence at the University of Rochester.

I herewith encourage him to withdraw his resignation, which was obviously under fire, and to resist peacefully the avalanche of pious, pro-Semitic sentiment that has worked his cruel institutional undoing as a voice of peace and sanity in the perennially-warring world of religion and religious zealots.

Gandhi’s surrender “under fire” is reminiscent of the media’s banishment of American odds-maker, “Jimmy the Greek” for his utterly-true but politically untimely mentioning that blacks in America have selective breeding during slavery to thank for their clearly superior (over American Caucasian counterpart athletes) athletic abilities.

Why is Gandhi being skewered and dishonored for uttering, for the sake of peace, the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
Why in fact has he been driven to recant any of his Jan. 7 essay? Why has he, himself in his January 12 “Apology” stated: “ I do not believe and should not have implied that the policies of the Israeli government are reflective of the views of all Jewish people. Indeed, many are as concerned as I am by the use of violence for state purposes, by Israel and many other governments.” ?

In fact Gandhi did not attribute militancy to “all Jews” or “all” of Israel, but his comment was clearly both fair and true in implication because if all Jews are not in favor of Israel’s hard line policies in Palestine, virtually all of those in favor of those hard-line policies are in fact Jews. The same goes for the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948 and every year since: Israel was established with pre-meditated (massive) bloodshed. The original settlers, despite the vote of the League of Nations granting them their national raison d’etre, knew the inhabitants of the ceded territories would immediately attack them when the grant was accepted and immigration begun, and the settlement of Israel was begun with the heart, mind and intent of the acquisitive warrior.

Israel was perhaps settled by Israeli’s but the State of Israel was established by its affluent Jewish supporters in America. Without the millions of dollars granted Israeli settlers and soldiers, without the grants of weapons and military vehicles, advisers and munitions, from 1948 through and including 2008, Israel, America’s puppet Jewish settlement in the Middle East promised land (shared by both Jewish and Christian Biblical mythologies and religious dogma), there would be no Israel and no violence in the Middle East (save perennial squabbles over subterranean oil deposits, mostly our fault too), and on this uncontrovertable ground, Gandhi’s thesis and assertions were quite simply true.

Gandhi didn’t even mention the recently-verified (by bin Laden himself reportedly) that the attack on America on 9/11/01 was clearly the result of America’s alliance with Israel, and who is historically-challenged enough today to gainsay the causal nexus between our current war in Iraq (and insipient financial collapse) and that attack on 9/11?

But along with the truth of his assertions, there was the collateral fact that his sooth-sayings were also “stereotypical”, and what is more, stereotypical shots at religious sacred cows are and will remain taboo until the inviolable halo of “religion” is removed from people who largely use their religious beliefs as cause(s) de guerre.

Israel is at war, constantly, with its neighbors because it seized an opportunity born of Europe’s (and perhaps the world’s) guilt and compassion over the holocaust. But more non-Jewish than Jewish people were slaughtered by the horrors of Hitler’s Axis of evil during the same period; they were simply not slaughtered for “religious” or ethnic reasons.

But the Holocaust was, as Gandhi quite cogently put it, over a half century ago. To maintain a sense of “victimhood” and unrelenting defensive and offensive militance from 1938 through 2008 is reminiscent of the idiocy parodied by Mark Twain in Huckleberry Finn, where new comrade of the young protagonist is killed by a family foe in a feud the origins and reasons for which were no longer known.

The ouster of Gandhi for telling the truth of Israel’s perennially militant stand in the world is hypocritical at best, both from the standpoints of his affiliations with Rochester and the “On Faith” page of the Washington Post. Shame, shame on (all three of them): University of Rochester’s President , Joel Seligman and On-Faith’s Sally Quinn and Jon Meacham for disloyalty and cowardice beyond the call of duty.

I note that it’s no longer possible from the “main page” of the Washington Post “On Faith” blog even to scroll down to Gandhi’s January 7th commentary on Israel and the Jews. Readers of Michelle Boorstein’s January 26 coverage of Gandhi’s forced resignation have to research the matter of Gandhi’s so-called “anti Semitic” assertions indirectly by meandering through the plethora of principally Jewish protests currently bombarding the ramparts of the Post’s and University of Rochester’s blogs.

I don’t accuse Gandhi of cowardice, however. I think he retreated not because it was the “just” thing to do, but rather because it was the peaceful thing to do. He was true to his (and his grandfather’s) form and walking his walk. But having said that, I think his retreat and apology are both morally wrong and counter-productive in the cause of peace. Even the Dalai Lama in his book on happiness says that, even though it is essential to love your neighbors even when they are your enemies….sometimes it is necessary to do what is required to defend yourself and your loved ones from attack. I am herewith attempting to do for Arun Gandhi what he appears to be unwilling to do, justly, for himself.

The “On Faith” blog was purportedly established to create a clearing house and open forum for sharing eclectic and creative ideas and views on religion. To quote from Quinn’s and Meacham’s own mission statement, the purpose of the blog on which Gandhi expressed his views included: (the exchange of views ….)

“From the nature of evil to religious reformation, from the morality of fetal stem-cell research to the history of scripture, from how to raise kids in multi-faith households to the place of gays in traditional churches -- of the asking of questions, to paraphrase Ecclesiastes, there shall be no end.

Well, it appears that Gandhi has discovered that there in fact “shall be …an end”…that is a point at which free expressions of religious ideas are no longer found “tolerable”, either in the peaceful institution of his own foundation or among his allies in the media or University.

I detest, rebuke and renounce all those actions and expressions which have culminated in Arun Gandhi’s forced resignation from his position and candid quest for peace. This event smacks of fascistic theocracy and embodies the odiously-evolving of religious institutions in our collective midst in terms recently portrayed by Philip Pullman’s trilogy, “His Dark Materials” ( including, most recently, the movie, “The Golden Compass”). The University of Rochester, Gandhi Institute, and “On Faith” bloggers are all acting in concert as the evil and oppressive “Magisterium” in Pullman’s brilliant and prescient fictional accounting of a world progressively reducing itself to an oligarchy of fascistic religious fundamentalists--and a concomitant intellectual peasantry of masses afraid to oppose—or even to question them.

I am (the writer hereof) no more an anti-Semite than Arun Ghandhi is. And Arun Ghandhi is in no way or degree an anti-Semite. Being anti-Zionist is not being anti-Semite. Israel is a Zionist state. Zionism is a matter of unjustified and aggressive war and conquest based on religious mythology. Knowing and stating such truth does not make me an anti-Semite. Knowing and stating that Israel, with its American-manufactured and financed armaments is the most militant and aggressive state in the Middle East, having the greatest stockpile of weapons of mass –and minor—destruction does not make either me or Gandhi’s comments consonant with such truths…anti-Semitic.

The end of Arun Gandhi’s January 7th comments are essentially my own, and so I will close with them, primarily in order to cleanse them of the diluting taint of his subsequent –unwarranted--apology therefor.

Well, with your superior weapons and armaments and your attitude towards your neighbors would it not be right to say that you are creating a snake pit? How can anyone live peacefully in such an atmosphere? Would it not be better to befriend those who hate you? Can you not reach out and share your technological advancement with your neighbors and build a relationship?
Apparently, in the modern world, so determined to live by the bomb, this is an alien concept. You don't befriend anyone, you dominate them. We have created a culture of violence (Israel and the Jews are the biggest players) and that Culture of Violence is eventually going to destroy humanity.

Accordingly, about both the Jewish Holocaust and the martyrdom of anyone named Gandhi for telling the truth, I say the same thing—
NEVER AGAIN !

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"Arun Gandhi spoke the truth about Jews..."

Nah, he's a stone-cold liar and a jew-hating clown...just like you are.

Arun Gandhi spoke the truth about Jews, who are the most self-centered and violent people on earth. Many agree with Mr. Gandhi but few will speak it for fear of being vilified and called "antisemitic or Jew hater. Moreover, Jews will simply deflect whatever message one is trying to convey by pointing the finger at someone else or pulling out the holocaust card.

Practically everyone knows that Israel has brought nothing but conflict, death, and destruction to the Middle East since its inception in 1948. Israel has use its protection under the US to commit atrocities and terrorize its arab neighbors by violated their border boundaries repeatedly, started pre-emptive wars, engaged in land theft, murder, and kidnapping.

Most recently, Israel devised a genocidal plan to blockade Gaza and cause mass deaths of many of the 1.5 million Palestinians through starvation, disease, lack of medical care, and violence. That plan was prevented by Hama, who breached the Egyptian Wall and allowed Palestinians to get necessities needed for survival.

Israel uses Gaza as a firing range with Palestinians as their targets, while Jews in the diaspora and the world remain silent. Yes, Arun Ghandi is right. Jews are the biggest players in the "global culture of violence" and will cause WWW3 if not stopped.

"palestine belongs to the arabs in same sense that england belong to the english"

No, Palestine belongs to Arab Muslims in the same sense that INDIA belonged to the English.

The Muslims in Palestine, Egypt, Turkey, etc. are foreign invaders, colonialists and imperialists just as the British were in India.

And, some of us want the same thing Gandhi wanted which is an end to the oppressive rule of Muslim imperialists (be they Arabs or not) in lands which rightly belong to Christians and Jews.

arun gandhi is an honest man and the illustrious name gandhi becmes him well saying "I STAND BEHIND MY CRITICISMS" his grand father taught him only too well. 70 years ago grand father wrote "if there ever could be a justifiable war in name of and for humanity, a war aginst germany to prevent the wanton persecution of a whole race, would be completly justified. but i do not blieve in war." written on november 20 1938 published november 26 1938 in the same article he wrote germany is showing to the world how efficiently violence can be worked when it is not hamperd by any hypocrisy or weakness masquerading as humanitarianism.it is also showing how hideous,terrible and terrifying it lookes in its nakedness.M K Gandhi published it in his own paper when world had the chance of preventing it. regarding palestin he wrote "palestine belongs to the arabs in same sense that england belong to the english or france to the french. it is wrong and inhuman to impose the jews on the arabs.what is going on today in palestine cannot be justified by any moral code of conduct.the mandates have no sanction but that of the last war. surely it would be acrime against humanity to reduce the proud arabs so that palestine can be restord to the jews partly or wholly as their national home." and "but according to the accepted canons of right and wrong,nothing can be said aginst the arab resistance in the face of overwhelming odds." "religious act cannot be performed with the aid of the bayonet or the BOMB." and "the jews who claime to be the chosen race prove their title by choosing the way of non-violence for vidicating their position on earth." all written and published in november 1938

It must be a full moon.

GOD SENT JESUS TO SACRIFICED HIS LIFE FOR THE PEOPLE OF CHRISTIANITY. TODAY THE CHIRISTIANS ARE DYING IN IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN AND ISRAEL FOR THE PEOPLE WHO KILLED THE JESUS.

MR. ARUN GANDHI YOU ARE RIGHT. YOU SHOULD NOT ASK APOLOGY.

The Longman Dictionnary of American English states terrorism as the illegal use (threats of) violence to obtain political demands. Even though the Hezbolla was created AFTER the Israeli invasion of south Lebanon, let's say it's a terrorist movement. Let's even say that he did a HUGE mistake by kidnapping two israeli soldiers in order to free 3 lebanese emprisonned for over 25 years in Israel.
Does this act in a way, give israel the LEGAL right to erase villages and banlieues in western beirut and in southern lebanon? Does it give Israel the LEGAL right to kill children and women because they claim that hizbolla gorillas are hiding behind civilians? Do they hide in an exposed van transporting children to shelters??
If this is not a LEGAL right, it is ILLEGAL. It's ILLEGAL to the eyes of every human being who cares for humanity. Then how can it be LEGAL to Mr Bush?? Are we witnessing the birth of MODERN TERRORISM

"The tragedy of the people of Palestine is that their country was "given" by a foreign power to another people for the creation of a new state. The result was that many hundreds of thousands of innocent people were made permanently homeless. With every new conflict their numbers increased. How much longer is the world willing to endure this spectacle of wanton cruelty? It is abundantly clear that the refugees have every right to the homeland from which they were driven, and the denial of this right is at the heart of the continuing conflict. No people anywhere in the world would accept being expelled en masse from their country; how can anyone require the people of Palestine to accept a punishment which nobody else would tolerate? A permanent just settlement of the refugees in their homeland is an essential ingredient of any genuine settlement in the Middle East".

The Europeans learnt their lesson; they became very suspicious of Zionist political affairs. At the same time we have to admit that the Americans have not yet learned theirs. The American people have not yet seen that a coalition with Israel puts their life at great risk. The American people fail to associate September 11th and the hopeless American support of Zionism. I assume the reason the American people fail to acknowledge such a straightforward connection can only be due to the fact that Zionist lobbies have managed to comprehensively dominate the major sources that control American public opinion: both in culture, in media and in finance. Ted Turner the owner of CNN, the world's leading TV news network had to go out of his way to persuade the Zionist lobbies that he was in a mental state when he 'mistakenly' referred to Israel as a "terrorist state". It is very apparent that Israel enjoys full protection in the American media. The question to be asked is who is going to protect the Americans from their motherland Israel?

The history of Zionism provides us with manifold stories of great empires that were misled in believing that coalition with the Jewish state will serve their own interests. In the long run those decisions proved to be unreasonable, irrational and even disastrous. The most famous one is probably the 'Balfour Declaration' (1917). It was in the midst of WW1 when the British foreign minister announced the empire's support for turning Palestine into the "national home for the Jewish people". At the time there were less than 60.000 Jews in Palestine leaving peacefully among a total population of 600.000 Arabs. What led the British Empire to such a strange declaration? What led the world leading superpower at the time to commit itself to such an unreasonable affair based on support from a marginal ethnic group (less than 10% of the entire population)? If there had been some deep colonial strategic or any other rational thought behind 'Balfour's declaration' they proved to be very misleading. Soon Jews flood into Palestine. Native Arab Palestinians start to show their severe dissatisfaction. Conflict becomes inevitable. When Britain tried to repair Balfour's damage it was too late ('The White Paper' 1939). The Jewish right wing terrorist and paramilitary resistance were about to teach the mandate forces a lesson in Yiddisher brutality. From a British point of view, the alliance with Zionism turned into a disaster. It was 2 years after the 2nd WW when the Zionist pushed the British colonial forces out of the region.

Already in the first Zionist congress, in Basel (1897), Herzl, the first and most famous Jewish Zionist, illustrated this method. According to Herzl, Zionism could promise redemption for the Jewish people as long as it fit into a larger colonial agenda of any of the greater colonial superpowers. Herzl himself travelled between the European political centres, promising full collaboration and support from the Jewish people in exchange for land in which to locate the Jewish state. This very basic motivation to associate with the world superpowers is an evident factor throughout the history of Zionism. Somehow, Zionists always volunteer to serve the colonial interests of any leading power. This fundamental tendency to join forces with superpowers led to an internal debate within the Zionist movement concerning the independence of the whole Zionist adventure. Since Zionism religiously presents itself as a devoted servant of larger colonial forces, it is not clear whether Zionism can possess any sense of autonomy.

These days when American policy makers endorse far right nationalistic views, the US administration reveals itself voluntarily as a major enemy of world peace, and the American president is searching desperately for new allies to form a coalition to support his phony 'war against terror', it is hardly surprising to discover that the Jewish state and Zionists lobbies are fairly active behind the scenes. It all makes far more sense when you find out that America's current divorce from humanism is closely associated with Israeli interests. A brief study of the history of Israel will reveal that from its very early days Zionism specialised in tracing dark political motivations and interests in order to abuse them to the very limit. Zionism is a very singular political method aimed at perfecting the transformation of world disasters and human pain into Jewish gain.

The Longman Dictionnary of American English states terrorism as the illegal use (threats of) violence to obtain political demands. Even though the Hezbolla was created AFTER the Israeli invasion of south Lebanon, let's say it's a terrorist movement. Let's even say that he did a HUGE mistake by kidnapping two israeli soldiers in order to free 3 lebanese emprisonned for over 25 years in Israel.
Does this act in a way, give israel the LEGAL right to erase villages and banlieues in western beirut and in southern lebanon? Does it give Israel the LEGAL right to kill children and women because they claim that hizbolla gorillas are hiding behind civilians? Do they hide in an exposed van transporting children to shelters??
If this is not a LEGAL right, it is ILLEGAL. It's ILLEGAL to the eyes of every human being who cares for humanity. Then how can it be LEGAL to Mr Bush?? Are we witnessing the birth of MODERN TERRORISM

"The tragedy of the people of Palestine is that their country was "given" by a foreign power to another people for the creation of a new state. The result was that many hundreds of thousands of innocent people were made permanently homeless. With every new conflict their numbers increased. How much longer is the world willing to endure this spectacle of wanton cruelty? It is abundantly clear that the refugees have every right to the homeland from which they were driven, and the denial of this right is at the heart of the continuing conflict. No people anywhere in the world would accept being expelled en masse from their country; how can anyone require the people of Palestine to accept a punishment which nobody else would tolerate? A permanent just settlement of the refugees in their homeland is an essential ingredient of any genuine settlement in the Middle East".