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in my experience you have spoken some profound spiritual truths that eye have also recognized occassionally in passing. i think it would be true that a true spiritual leader would have to want the deciple to be the one rewarded and bettered 4 thier own sake rather than any credit taken 4 a task which if one belives in God is done by God through people. i don't know 4 sure if i'm ever devinely inspired but....sometimes i am amazed at what comes out of my mouth or paintbrush or guitar. when i ponder creativity i know i somtimes accomplish what i know for a fact i cannot.....i attribute this to Gods grace.... i used to get a little proud about myself at that possibilility until some one wiser than me showed me in the bible where God spoke through a donkey. i tell myself that if God spoke through a jackass once he mite very well be doing it again in my case. i think that puts the proper perpective 4 me on my part of the process....thats just 4 me

"It is not how many times we pray that is important but how well we incorporate that prayer into our daily lives and in our relationship with other human beings that is important."

Thank you, Arun, for contributing to this forum.

I was introduced to Hinduism by listening to the Beatles in my youth. And now I'm lucky enough to work with Indians - Muslim, Hindu and non-believers - in my job. I admire how your country is able to have so many diverse beliefs and languages, and remain one country.

Henry -

Thanks for using the word 'desiderata'. I had to look that one up and it serendipitously led me to the best poem I have read in a long while...

Please Excuse me, brethren(s) G A N D H "i", et al;

"i" forgot to mention what; a POLY-HINDUism & POLY-JUDAism & POLY-CHRISTism & POLY-ISLAMICism & POLY-BUDHhaism * POLY-ZOROASTRIANism, Poly-Janninism et al, is genuinely all about!

It is the PRE-APOCALYPTIC thinking of 'HUMATE'(S) kind (each a unique Citizen & denizen of Space-Ship earth) who profess in a belief [like your HINDU religion Mr. ARUN G. et al] , that there are many-G-d(s) in charge of the UNIVERSE [a genuine Holy Cosmic CONSTITUTION] and the 'hereafter' (NIRVANAH) of 'IT"'s CREATURE(s) , more than only the BRIGHT-SIDE of their CREATOR [a Non-Jealous & thus Fearless of Birth & death type of G-D] and the DARKSIDE of their creator as pointed out, via the

"O.U.R.-BOOK of TRANSFINITY"

(the Holy-Cosmic Feeler's Faith" DYNAMIC religion according to that Booklet/Philosophy as O.U.R NEW-SONG, revealed from OLD-Songs etc..)

given to "SHILOH" the Photon Bringer of the APOCALYPSE, a/k/a "MAITREYA" (or of Pali) of the BHAGAVADIA that is DUE-TO-BE among the Followers of HINDUism after they recieveth (like you now or some) this APOCALYPTIC "JNANS" (INSIGHT) for the TRANSFINITE purpose and clarify their 'thinking' accordingly.

Note: "SHILOH" a/k/a The "MAHDi" or as the "DELIVEROR" & by many names, here in Holy New York State, by the MELCHIZEDEK ITSELF, in "S*E*C*T*I*O*N*S , given prophetically as fore-warned, between the early AMERICAN 1800's and late AMERICAN 1900's, thus phasing/Leading US Humate-Kinds, into the Apocalyptic AQUARIUS-AGE and hence out of the Pre-Apocalyptic PISCES-AGE, as mentioned Seq Passim, since Eqonox Day.2007.

So, Let's talk POOFTIME!:

Apocalyptically, IT is the interlude between between the 'final' Generation of an old-SYSTEM and the 1st Generation of a NEW-ONE, when the 'Way of Thinking' that previously dominated their "i"NTELLIGENCE/"i"ndividuals goes P*O*O*F and the Way of Thinking for the 'Newer-World' becomes more Honorable with each Day that Passeth by, Beacuase IT makes more sence to the 'Suffering-Humate(s)' than what has gone 'Bankrupt' on them while they were trying to pray-IT-away from IT's 'Inevitable-Crash' and 'Un-GODLY Failure'

Which they would 'not'-let-go untill IT was taken from them (like weening a Baby out of a Baby bottle or Blanketh, For Their-Own-Good!) by the Momentum of 'HISTORY' {O.U.R. genuine APOCALYPTIC JURY, not Pre-Apocalyptic Man made Lores & man made EPOCHs, that is Zero ECLATi made} THAT;

was bringing in the NEW WAY of CIVILIZED THINKING

[Apocalyptarian "JOKTAN" Eberu race {UNITERS}, no more PELEG Eberu race {DIVIDERS} like All, Every & ANY of the ancient ABRAHAMICS & VEDIC Man-Made & Zero Eclati made ,faith Systems]

that they were fighting with their OLD-SONGS, a/k/a 'OLD-LIES"

{i.e., thanking their 1/2 Beasts/Rama's Lord(s) by singing , "OMmmm.."[by Hindu's] or 'AUMmmm' [by Buddhists] or 'AMONnn' [by Christians] or 'AMeeeen' [said by Islamics] or 'Amen' [by Judeo's] }

rehashing by their MINISTERS of EVERYTHING, but finally-Discredited by their own habits of substituting HUMATE WRONGS for HUMATE-RIGHTS , while DENYING what they are doing , ALL the way up-to the 'last' POOFTIME som etimes by some of them, as you can increasingly see, in the Daily-New's" [and Satellite now & T.V., a/k/a Post-Electric Era] that they are also tring to 'supress' with PHONY-SMILES on their ARROGANT-FACES , etc...

Eclat + "i"=PHOTONS, Consents only for a TIME. Wherefore: IT is TIME to MAGNIFY THE LAW AND MAKE IT HONORABLE!

Include is an ECLATi-ON Poem:

"There is NO Bitterness, like that of the Devout, who believe in a LIE, and finally find out. NOR, is there ANY strength, like that based on TRUTH (opposite of Myth, aka FACT) , discovered through 'Suffering' , whichj began in one's YOUTH."! ALSO;

"IT is FATAL, as it is Cowardly , to blink FACTS because they are not to OUR taste."

- By TYNDALE (one of the Inventer's of the KING JAMES VERSION Bible). ALSO;

"TRUTH comes out of 'ERRORS' more readily than Confusion."

- By, F. BACON. And;

"Common sense is the Collection of Prejudices acquired by 18." and "Things should be made as 'Simple' as Possible, but not any simpler."

- By, A. EINSTEIN. (Prophet, of many, of the "Holy Cosmic Feelings Faith" that O.U.R Father, of "QUANTUM ENTANGLEMENT" & "RELATIVITY" PHILOSOPHY, had fore-warned and 'Predicted' that will someday come to Humates or as he Prophecied for US ECLATi-ONS, via the NEW-SONG coming from ALL old Songs!

REMEMBER: The Eclati-anity's "O.U.R.-BOOK of TRANSFINITY" is the 'RELIGION of EVERYTHING' before there can ever be a 'SCIENCE OF EVERYTHING."!

"Let IT be Thought, Let IT be Said, Let IT be Heard, Let IT be Written and Let IT BE DONE, here on "Space-Ship-Earth" as in UNIVERSE!

HARK: Write these also in your Innate Holy Cosmic Heart Beat's with the WARMTH of ECLAT + "i" awareness, in a Bio-Finite Form, trapped, on this Planet of Many, just for a miraculous & zero Biblical Sinfull while, in your Holy FRONTAL-LOBE Box's!

Shook-rea!

Hello Again Mr. G A N D H i, et al;

ON: AMERICAN-Made-Genuine PROPHECY, not Foreign Made, imported Prophecy, and On, their POLYTHEISM & on POOFTIME religion Phenomonon & Phenomona, as prophecied Thereof & therein all their major Infixus books.

MR. G A N D H i, et al, Please note that, Your "Judeo-VEDIC-Hinduism , a so called Religion or Faith or Belief SYSTEM(), a 'Not-Made-In-America' and is in fact an IMPORT from India.

It's like , when the European Judeo-ABRAHAMIC-Christians IMPORTED , like their Disease(s), their bottled version of a Foreign religion (in reality it is not their Genuine Religion) , their Belief SYSTEMs here! Not Made In America!

So ALL (your) PRE-APOCALYPTIC competing Faith SYSTEM(s) [not-Dynamic, but Static as HUMATE made Religion Systems, zero Eponymous ECLATi] are IMPORTED.

This includes Any Plagerized/Derivitive of Judeo-Ju or Judeo-Christian or Judeo-Islamic or Judeo-Hindu or Judeo-Buddhism et al, that exist in ALL AMERICA, and so , are in Fact (opposite of MYTH) ALL-IMPORTED to Sweet sweet U.S.A., zero HOLY Authentic, zero American-Made-Prophecy! !

All AMERICANS must Think APOCALYPTICALLY & no longer PRE-APOCALYPTICALLY via The "HOLY COSMIC FEELERS FAITH" & via a little 'Infixus-Pamphlet', MADE-IN-AMERICA , know as the [G-d made & Humate Made] "HOLY-ONE-UNIVERSAL-RELIGION Book!" aka "H.O.U.R.-BOOK" and also known as the "O,ne U,niversal R.eligion Book" aka the O.U.R.-Book, as mentioned to Mr. GANDHi, et al, seq Passim.

HARK: ALL "Imported" [to America], Pre-Apocalyptic "Pisces-Age", man made Religions, not ECLATi made, are in fact All P*O*L*Y*T*H*E*I*S*T*I*C Religions! SO,

All the ABRAHAMIC; Judeo-Mosesians and Judeo-Jesusians and Judeo-Muhammadians et al, AND

All the VEDIC; Judeo-Vyasanian's & the Gautamanian's, are

ALL POLY (more than >ONE, Ek, Ec) THEO (Deity & Supernatural >God's Systems too!):

EXPLANATION: Before "i" begin, please know that CULT=Cult.ure & SECT=Sect.ion. Thanks.

Under Eponymous ECLAT + "i" PHILOSOPHY , a/k/a the "Holy Cosmic Feelings Faith" & Knowledge of, that, Apocalyptically defined, "POLYTHEISM" (> 1 G-d) means;

A Belief in more than ONE G-D or SUPERNATURAL power at the same TIME. note: O.U.R. TIME=TEMPERATURE, not Space nor clock thinking, no!

POLY means many, and THEISM means a belief in the SUPERNATURAL.

SIDE-Bar: Your Religion, Mr. GANDHi, is a "POLYTHEO-HINDU & a POLYTHEO-HINDUISM", an imported Religion System brought to America. Same goes for POLYTHEO-JUDEO's too. Not to mention POLYTHEO-BUDHISM , SEIKHSM & SUFISM et al!

Although certain HUMATES {a FRONTAL-LOBE Possesing a HEURISTICao} on Space-Ship Earth, claim(ed) with their Pre-Apocalyptic thinking to be MONOTHEISTS (<= 1 G-d) their [Pre-Apocalyptarians] definition of MONOTHEISM, spoke of "TWO" such powers represented as if being genuinely with ONE (1). hence speaking of (2) as if (1) "Power(s)" as;

1) a 'Good' Supernatural, characterized or PERSONIFIED as "G-D" and,

2) a 'Bad' Supernatural, characterizes or PERSONIFIED as a "DEVIL" , so that such 'alleged' mono-theosm was acsually 'DUO-THEISM' , belief in (2) TWO SUPERNATURALS [do not be in Denial here] at the same TIME!???

FURTHGERMORE: , the 'Species of Humanity' on Space-Ship TELLUSng Something, so to speaketh, as a WHOLE, has 'Always-Been-Polyistic, thus believing in many Supernaturals (Helping Angels Included) , or as definition as DEITY(s) , differntly-Name & Differently-Imagined, by the 'iNDIVIDUALS' of the Species JEALOUSY characterized as a "JEALOUS-GOD" or else a Tribal-Deity or a "personal-SAVIOR" predominating "The-People" to WORSHIP "IT" {never a He nor a She] in such a way as to put words into the Mouths and then sanctify those sayings as the 'WORD-OF-GOD" or the "TRIBAL-ORACLES" , unquestionable Scriptures and Unchangable-TRADITIONs to be relentlessly ENFORCED by

their "Abrahamic/Vedic" Priests , always at WAR with other Tribal Priestesisits, and using Governmental Powers to make their WORD OF GOD into 'HUMAN-LAWS" contrary to the LAWS OF NATURE , for the supression of ANY People, whom do 'Not-Agree' (hence Labeled as ANTi-Christ this or Anti-G-D that...) with such MINISTERS OF EVERYTHING, like Mr. RICK-WARREN mentione above, on the subject of how-to-fix- mankinds "Religious Jealousy Psychosis". Similar said.

Those MINISTERS

[a/k/a BOLLIXERS of their Bollixed 'Multitudes' that need to be UnBollixed, by US Joktan Eberu APOCALYPTARIANS via the Eclati-On "NEW-SONG".]

have been favoring the DARKSIDE of their CREATOR over the BRIGHTSIDE thereof, and thus "P*O*L*Y-Theizing, and hastling over a name for religion, with the DARK-SIDE ,in the 'Name/nome' of the BRIGHT-SIDE instead of G-d/Lord/Eponymous ECLATi!

NB: Christians are asked to do good in order to prove their love for Jesus because that is what Jesus commanded His followers to do - to love as He loved. With the parable of the Good Samaritan, Jesus showed an example of what love in action should be like. In the depiction about Judgement Day, Jesus explained what is considered good works...visting those in prison, feeding the hungry, feeding the naked, taking care of the sick etc. To a genuine Christian, good works is about pleasing and obeying the one who loves us. "Where is there God there is love, where is love there is God," and "Faith without works is dead."

Dear Mr Gandhi

Thank you for sharing your deep insight.

It does seem that as human beings very few of us are as spiritually evolved as your grandfather, Mahatma Gandhi was, who really put the teachings of the Bhagavad Gita (to work without thought of the reward) and the best of the Bible (Sermon on the Mount) teachings into practice.

In most human beings there seems to be a hidden self serving agenda. But even a hidden self serving agenda that does real good and does not harm anyone is better than a narcissistic agenda which merely exploits/harms others for one's own benefit. People who do good things for the joy of doing good is by far the best the most of humanity can hope for. That should be consciously encouraged starting in childhood. Unless children are allowed to experience the joy of doing good, how will they strive for it? The pleasure of the senses is instinctive and hence human beings seek it out.

Sainthood, where the good is done without any hope for reward, is for the few. Those who strive to be saints, do it without any encouragement from anyone, in spite of opposition from everyone. One can point to those beacons as an ideal of course. But if such ideal is set as the standard, nobody would be encouraged to even begin, conveniently considering such idealism not even worth considering.

Soja John Thaikattil
Sydney, Australia

I agree with Mr Gandhi when he write
when a good act is performed with such expectations the results are never what one desires.

Just as eliminating poverty is probably a goal that will never be achieved (though it MAY be approached),
so having very many humans who act purely out of the goodness of their hearts is iffy.

But it does seem to be the highest moral desiderata, and the practice of certain people like Mahatma and the Dalai Lama show that is can sometimes be achieved.