Obama in the Muslim World

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"I don't thing that speech will really makes much difference until the polices has been not only changed but new and good policies are implemented too.

Learn and clear your misconceptions about Islam at http://islam-faq.blogspot.com"

There is no misconception of Islam. Obama can prattle on all he wants with his twaddle but there are hundreds of millions around the world who understand Islam all too well, and are preparing for a final settling of accounts with the religion of Peace and it's followers. Enjoy the future...

spreadpeaceandlove99 Author Profile Page :

"I don't thing that speech will really makes much difference until the polices has been not only changed but new and good policies are implemented too.

Learn and clear your misconceptions about Islam at http://islam-faq.blogspot.com"

There is no misconception of Islam. Obama can prattle on all he wants with his twaddle but there are hundreds of millions of us who are ready to battle with Islam to the death.

I don't thing that speech will really makes much difference until the polices has been not only changed but new and good policies are implemented too.

Learn and clear your misconceptions about Islam at http://islam-faq.blogspot.com

"Faith allows you to believe in things that are impossible"--Isabel Adjani, in Werner Herzog's "Nosferatu"
Faith is based on beliefs.
Beliefs are worse than useless because, among other reasons, they are tearing humanity apart.
Why do you "believe" something, with no other basis for doing so than "I believe it"?
Naturally, when people are this irrational, beliefs will clash, and then...well, anyone with even a shred of insight understands what happens next.
People want to rely on beliefs because they're too mentally lazy and fearful to actually go into what might be termed "ultimate meaning" for themselves.
It's so much easier to just believe something only because "it is written" or because some authority figure says, "believe this, not that".
What you actually know is all that's important.
The information re. how to know the insight that instantly puts an end to beliefs has been available for thousands of years.
Do yourself a favor and dig it out. You will be so much better off without any belief of any kind.

The speech is really encouraging and it may go a long way down the history in reshaping and streamlining the relationship between US and the Muslim world.We as a Muslim should come forward to reciprocate the attitude and see what we can do in the coming days.We should keep in mind although it is still a speech but President OBAMA means business.We can hope he means what he says.

All problems, from complex ones such as the ones listed by President Obama today to little ones between husband and wife, are caused by arrogance and greed. Read The Mind and Soul Duster to see the arrogance and excess greed in almost everyone.

THE MIND AND SOUL DUSTER
Warning: First time users may experience shock or uncomfortable feelings

Mind collects knowledge
Knowledge becomes capability
Capability creates achievement
Achievement increases pride, gratification and confidence
Misused pride, gratification and confidence are called arrogance
Arrogance makes a person’s attitudes hostile toward others
Arrogance blocks a person in becoming greater intellectually and spiritually

Soul comprises greed and empathy
Greed cares only for self
Empathy concerns others
Excessive use of greed makes the soul selfish
Excessive use of empathy makes the soul overly generous
Balanced use of greed and empathy allows the soul normality
Excessive use of arrogance and greed can make the mind and soul evil

Unconsciously, arrogance and greed increase in every person
Recognize and dust off the arrogance and excessive greed in your mind and soul
Do not let arrogance and excessive greed drive you to harm yourself, your loved ones or others

A longing whisper from the divine human spirit deep within yourself, your beloved and everyone else

(The Mind and Soul Dust, Everyone needs one. Every family should have one. Bring one home today.)

All problems, from complex ones such as the ones listed by President Obama today to little ones between husband and wife, are caused by arrogance and greed. Read The Mind and Soul Duster to see the arrogance and excess greed in almost everyone.

THE MIND AND SOUL DUSTER
Warning: First time users may experience shock or uncomfortable feelings

Mind collects knowledge
Knowledge becomes capability
Capability creates achievement
Achievement increases pride, gratification and confidence
Misused pride, gratification and confidence are called arrogance
Arrogance makes a person’s attitudes hostile toward others
Arrogance blocks a person in becoming greater intellectually and spiritually

Soul comprises greed and empathy
Greed cares only for self
Empathy concerns others
Excessive use of greed makes the soul selfish
Excessive use of empathy makes the soul overly generous
Balanced use of greed and empathy allows the soul normality
Excessive use of arrogance and greed can make the mind and soul evil

Unconsciously, arrogance and greed increase in every person
Recognize and dust off the arrogance and excessive greed in your mind and soul
Do not let arrogance and excessive greed drive you to harm yourself, your loved ones or others

A longing whisper from the divine human spirit deep within yourself, your beloved and everyone else

(The Mind and Soul Dust, Everyone needs one. Every family should have one. Bring one home today.)

Obama in the Muslim world. Or more directly, the truth or falsity of the statements of the U.S. with respect to the Islamic world.

The United States generally takes the position with respect to the Islamic world of saying that U.S. values, technological advancement are compatible with Islam and that the U.S. is only troubled by Islamic extremism and does not hold any grudge against the less extreme members of Islam. The U.S. says that it believes in freedom of religion and that any religion has a place in the U.S. so long as it does not descend into extremism. I contend that the position of the U.S. above is at best ignorance and at worst a flat out lie. In the United States--and the Western world generally--what has occurred where once man looked up to God and had more invested in God than in practicalities on the ground is an upsurge of practicality and what has come to be called science. Where once cathedrals were erected to God a new foundation and sensibility has sprung up.

The average Westerner lives in a world which is a man made instrumentality which has brought down as much God into Western civilization as possible by paradoxically not being really concerned about God at all and instead being concerned about structures of all types which stand out from nature and which even though circumscribing an individual's life, curtailing many freedoms, works out on average to give the individual a quite comfortable life and the possibility of conceiving more efficient and rewarding instrumentalities in the future. Whereas religion in general (as understood by the monotheistic religions) demands certain rituals for a bringing of God into one's life and an elevation of man to God--a reconciliation between man and God--the modern society in the West has each person as best as possible utilizing what he is capable of and fitting into a structure which demands daily to become more sophisticated, more capable of utilizing human capitol, and ideally one day creating humans by biological methods who are super capable at creating instrumentalities which in turn create even more sophisticated humans...

Religion in such a political/economic situation as we see in the West becomes more and more a thing of the individual, something private no matter how much religion strives to remain an outward and visible organization, a meeting of like minds before God. What remains of true religion becomes "cultic behavior" and/or "religious fundamentalism". Religion watered down, less and less true religion, becomes going to church every now and then and more and more a thing to be kept to oneself--for if there is to be outward and visible organization it must become more and more modern instrumentality toward an increased efficiency of human capitol and eventually the creation of more and more sophisticated humans. Where once man looked up and saw God (in Western civilization) now he looks up and conceives a better body politic--future comes more and more to be a better human society and not a city of God let alone God. A city of God does not resemble modern society let alone the direction man is heading. As a society becomes more and more sophisiticated it becomes a city in which for all curtailing of freedom (rampant behavior as seen in less sophisticated societies) man comes to be breathed out as if petals on a flower, and there is no God worshipped--rather man is thankful for and to himself. The city born is one of man's humility and pride, vanity, jealousy and envy cast aside and a society of increasing mutual respect born, God in the details--and the details paradoxically explaining more and more, details reinforcing one another, a consistency seen, society firm and capable of being developed indefinitely...

And such a society is not at all compatible with the monotheistic religions--or possibly any religion for that matter. Certainly it is not compatible with Islam. To believe such is to be ignorant--or at worst a liar. I believe that with each passing day ignorance in this matter is being dispelled but that man cannot just come out into the open and state what is occurring. An indefinite period of lying occurs. But the best educated must see what is occurring--and the politics and economy of a modern society depend on the best educated, so...our officials are lying. Eventually one day the truth will have to be faced. And hopefully at least Christians and Jews will take it well...but as for Islam, that might be another problem. We should face the problem head on. It really is man against religion because he is more and more becoming able of taking care of himself.

Obama's Cairo speech did not succeed in presenting America as a fair player in the Middle East peace process.

It did feature his broad and educated perspective of the problems we face in the world, and, more importantly, laid down the elements which must be embraced by all if humanity is to move forward to peace: justice and mutual respect, trust and cooperation. Beautifully done indeed.

But...how much more objective and effective he would have been had he given a similar speech in Israel, at a major Israeli venue rather than just visiting a concentration camp, acknowledging yet again, the tragic history of the Jews, but not calling on Israel to take the steps needed to have justice and peace with the Arab world.

what i hope to hear from obama addressing the "muslim world":

-sorry for our (bush's) terrible reaction to 9/11 and fixation iraq.

-where are the moderate muslims? you moderates should be mad at the militants for their inhumane acts. you moderates MUST rise up and defeat the militants. we will help, but you moderates MUST lead.

Except for the Vatican, is there any country on earth in which one may build a church but not a mosque?

If we're to build bridges, they have to join at both ends.

Until the autobiography of Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Infidel, is allowed to be read by all Muslims, there will be no peace with orthodox Islamics. (Hopefully BO read the book before his trip.)

Some excerpts from said book:

"Thus begins the extraordinary story of a woman born into a family of desert nomads, circumcised as a child, educated by radical imams in Kenya and Saudi Arabia, taught to believe that if she uncovered her hair, terrible tragedies would ensue. It's a story that, with a few different twists, really could have led to a wretched life and a lonely death, as her grandmother warned. But instead, Hirsi Ali escaped -- and transformed herself into an internationally renowned spokeswoman for the rights of Muslim women."
ref: Washington Post book review.

four excerpts:

p. 47 paperback issue:

"Some of the Saudi women in our neighborhood were regularly beaten by their husbands. You could hear them at night. Their screams resounded across the courtyards. "No! Please! By Allah!"

p.68:

"The Pakistanis were Muslims but they too had castes. The Untouchable girls, both Indian and Pakistani were darker skin. The others would not play with them because they were untouchable. We thought that was funny because of course they were touchable: we touched them see? but also horrifying to think of yourself as untouchable, despicable to the human race."

p.309

"Between October 2004 and May 2005, eleven Muslim girls were killed by their families in just two regions (there are 20 regions in Holland). After that, people stopped telling me I was exaggerating."

p. 347

"The kind on thinking I saw in Saudi Arabia and among the Brotherhood of Kenya and Somalia, is incompatible with human rights and liberal values. It preserves the feudal mind-set based on tribal concepts of honor and shame. It rests on self-deception, hyprocricy, and double standards. It relies on the technologial advances of the West while pretending to ignore their origin in Western thinking. This mind-set makes the transition to modernity very painful for all who practice Islam".