Readers’ Responses to Our Question (142)

Daniel, Daniel, Daniel in the Lion's Den,

You said: "You don't like most people who post here; you have made that very, very clear."

Au Contraire!!! As a Christian (of the New Reality), loving my neighbor and doing no harm, are engrained on my soul and exude from my every pore. e.g. Note the Five Step Programs I have provided for those poor souls suffering from the Three B Syndrome.

And what do I believe? As noted countless of times, I believe that religions are severely flawed. In case you missed the latest update:

The Synopsis of the Flaws and Errors of Contemporary Religions:

1. Abraham founder/father of three major religions was either the embellishment of the lives of three different men or a mythical character as was Moses, the "Tablet-Man" who talked to burning bushes and made much magic in Egypt.

1.5 million Conservative Jews and their rabbis have relegated Abraham to the myth pile along with most if not all the OT.

simpletoremember.com/vitals/ConservativeTorah.htm

2. Jesus, the illiterate Jewish
peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man possibly suffering from hallucinations, has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a mamzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). Analyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, On Faith panelists) via the NT and related documents have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hittites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.

earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

For added "pizzazz", Catholic/Christian theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

3. Luther, Calvin, Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley et al, founders of Christian-based religions, also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immaculate conceptions).

4. Mohammed, an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, also had embellishing/hallucinating/plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

This agenda continues as shown by the assassination of Bhutto, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, and the Filipino “koranics”.

And who funds these acts of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

5. Hinduism (from an online Hindu site) - "Hinduism cannot be described as an organized religion. It is not founded by any individual. Hinduism is God centered and therefore one can call Hinduism as founded by God, because the answer to the question ‘Who is behind the eternal principles and who makes them work?’ will have to be ‘Cosmic power, Divine power, God’."

The caste/laborer system and cow worship are problems when saying a fair and rational God founded Hinduism."

6. Buddhism- "Buddhism began in India about 500 years before the birth of Christ. The people living at that time had become disillusioned with certain beliefs of Hinduism including the caste system, which had grown extremely complex. The number of outcasts (those who did not belong to any particular caste) was continuing to grow."
"However, in Buddhism, like so many other religions, fanciful stories arose concerning events in the life of the founder, Siddhartha Gautama (fifth century B.C.):"

Archaeological discoveries have proved, beyond a doubt, his historical character, but apart from the legends we know very little about the circumstances of his life. e.g. Buddha by one legend was supposedly talking when he came out of his mother's womb.

Bottom line: There are many good ways of living but be aware of the hallucinations, embellishments, lies and myths surrounding the founders and foundations of said rules of life.

Also as noted in a previous thread, what would MLK say??

With the assassination of MLK, we will never know exactly what he would have said. Considering his intelligence, one assumes he would say this:

"After careful review my fellow Christians, it is apparent to my mind and soul that we have been fed significant mumbo-jumbo with respect to the life of Jesus.

Brothers and Sisters stop and read about the real Jesus. Develop the true view!!! Jesus was a simple, illiterate preacher man. The Beatitudes are pure Jesus. His giving to Caesar what was Caesar's is pure Jesus. The rest was embellishment upon embellishment of the life of said simple preacher man!!! The "miracles" were added to compete with the local "voodooers of the hoodoo", the resurrection was added to compete with Roman and Greek gods and the "pretty wingie thingies" and "demons of the demented added to continue the fear and superstitions of the ancients!!!!!"

He is try to prove that he is not a fool.
But the more he try........

But isn't this list of many names irrelevant? What does this list prove? You are doing a lot of work for no particular reason. And another thing, what, just do you believe, anyway? You don't like most people who post here; you have made that very, very clear. So what? That does not tell any of us what you believe or what you are trying to prove. So, what are you trying to prove? Nothing, as far as I tell.

GaryD,

You continue to quote that only 1-2% of contemporary NT exegetes believe that the real Jesus was quite different than the embellished figure of the NT. Please give references supporting your statistics. Priests and preachers most of whom do not have advanced degrees in History and/or Theology are hardly experts.

Some of the contemporary NT exegetes who have the necessary education and who have studied the necessary documents with their conclusions written and reviewed in many books are:

R. Bultmann
E. Kasemann
Earl Doherty
Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy
Alvar Ellegård
G. A. Wells
Gregory Riley
Robert Eisenman
John Dominic Crossan - an On Faith Panelist
Robert Funk
Burton Mack
Stephen J. Patterson -
Marcus Borg - an On Faith Panelist
Stevan Davies
Geza Vermes
Richard Horsley
Hyam Maccoby
Gerd Theissen
Bart Ehrman
Paula Fredriksen - an On Faith Panelist
Gerd Lüdemann
John P. Meier
E. P. Sanders
Robert H. Stein
Karen Armstrong - an On Faith Panelist
Albert Schweitzer (The Quest for the Historical Jesus)
Mahlon Smith
Karen Pagels- An On Faith Panelist
NT Wright- an On Faith Panelist and still believer in that Old Time religion
Timothy Luke Johnson - still a believer in that Old Time Religion

And members of the Jesus Seminar not noted above.

faithfutures.org/HJst.../ HJstudies.html,

earlychristianwritings.com/

GaryD,

You continue to quote that only 1-2% of contemporary NT exegetes believe that the real Jesus was quite different than the embellished figure of the NT. Please give references supporting your statistics. Priests and preachers most of who do not have advanced degrees in History and/or Theology are hardly experts.

Some of the contemporary NT exegetes who have studied the necessary documents are:

Since when do the Jesus seminarians a handful of pseudo-scholars who represent some where between 1
& 2% of modern exegetes if that equal many?

GaryD,

"I am the Truth" i.e. John 14:6. This passage was, according to many contemporary NT exegetes, not said by the historical Jesus but was wishful thinking and an embellishment by John to make Jesus more like the ancient and local gods of first century Palestine. 210-. Place of Life: (1) Dial. Sav. 27-30, (2) John 14:2-12; faithfutures.org/Jesus/Crossan2.rtf

books.google.com/books?id=AsPHR4-7Wc8C&pg=PA444&lpg=PA444&dq=%22place+of+life%22+%22the+historical+jesus%22+crossan&source=web&ots=8mVx_1M6g4&sig=XFqT8S1coAT18xq8Qwt1vMcMjW0

And John 18:36-38, " I have come to bear witness to the Truth" has the same problem.

180-. Pilate's Question:(1a) Gos. Pet. pre-1:1 from later 3:6,9 (Son of God) & 3:7; 4:11 (King of Israel), (1b) Mark 15:1-5 = Matt 27:1-2,11-14 = Luke 23:1-5, (1c) John 18:28-38;19:4-16

faithfutures.org/index.php/180_Pilates_Questions

Dear CNNL -

FYI - my blocked posts from the weekend contained no links or urls of any kind. Neither did they contain any questionable language.

I chalk it up to a new level of ineptitude at this blog.

Moody Jesus also said I and the Father are one, did not Correct either Peter or Paul when they addressed him as God, Sent people out asking thme to baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy spirit thereby giving the latter coequal status with the former and came back from the dead according to no less than 500 eye witnesses.

And is the only being to have ever done so without having a prophet call him forth from the grave.

How many people did Muhammad raise from the dead? How many blind men regained there sight by his hand?
These are works by which Old testament prophets demonstrated there power Muhammad is a bit short on those things to be take as a prophet of the lineage of Elijah or Elisha.

Before going off on a censorship tirade, drop the http and www's on any web page addresses you have in your comments. Apparently full web addresses are no longer allowed.

Also if the link (e.g. Readers’ Responses) to the does not come up under the panelist's commentary, change the text size (under View) to a smaller size and retry. The page designers only allow so much text to be viewed. Text that does not fit such as the Readers responses line, will be hidden.

Am I naive? Or are you merely self-important?

I hope that the WaPo is not censuring comments for some political reason, but really, I do not care all that much; why should I? I am not seeking to start any kind of political or religious movement; I am merely engaged in conversation, and trying to see what other people have to say on "things.'

The WaPo is providing this blog, and is paying for it, and so, they can do anything they want with it, can't they? The fact that you post here, and that your post got through indicates, that even you, a skeptic, have a fundamental faith that this is a forum for the free exchange of ideas.

And besides, as I said before, there is alot more going wrong here, than merely blocking people's posts. For example, I tried to post a reply to Sally Quinn's essay, but there was no access to the comments at all, even though the little note indicated there were more than 40. Then, later, when I had access to the comments, I could not type a comment, because that screen was missing; it is all happening today, just as it has been for awhile.

"I think it is unreasonable to suppose that the WaPo is censuring people. Why would they do that?"

you believe wapo has no political agenda?

daniel- you are extremely naive-

DIVINE IMPULSES
VIDEO: Francis Collins | God Created Evolution

"No comments have been posted about this item."

"Comments are closed for this item."

I also work in an office where the software that supports us is always changing and being upgraded and is always quaking and shivering beneath out feet, and perhaps I am used to "things going hay-wire" and then snapping back to normal in a short time.

I think it is unreasonable to suppose that the WaPo is censuring people. Why would they do that? The WaPo is not the government; it is a corporation; the supposed purpose of this blog is to engage people in a discussion, but perhaps the "bottom-line" purpose is to get attention, to be noticed, to create a buzz, and that would not happen if the more provocative posts were cancelled, and only the dull ones made it through.

Think it through; the more intelligent, provocative, or controverisial the posts, the better for the WaPo; all of these people are writing for them, FOR FREE! I think it is only human nature to suppose that when something goes wrong, that maybe some force is being directed personally at them, but alas, that is usually not the case, in general, or on this blog.

I should add that it appears to me that the software is being developed beneath our feet. I subject people to this same kind of evolving flakiness 9-5, M-F. ;)

"No freedom of speech and religion on the wapo "ON FAITH" boards."

Look at Francis Collins' video:

"Comments are closed for this item"

Daniel in the Lion's Den writes: "I think that when a post does not appear, it is more likely due to a software glitch than to censureship."

I concur. It's been flaky since I first started visiting some months back.

Is the Washington Post Censuring the comments of people who seek to post here?

I do not think they are. Very harsh things appear on these threads every day. However, some "funny" things have been happening here.

Many people have commented that their posts do not appear. I have had this happen to me, as well.

But I wonder if the WaPo is just having alot of problems managing this blog and the software that supports it?

For example, up until recently, the comments seem to have been posted almost randomly in either a top-down sequence or a bottom-up sequence. Then one day, all of a sudden, they were are all transformed into a bottom-up sequence, even ones that had already been posted, and a number of people mistakenly thought their posts had been deleted, because they were searching for them at the wrong end.

Then sometimes, I try to post, but the "posting" screen is absent, and does not return for awhile. Then sometimes, I write out a post, but the preview and post buttons are absent. (This is not just my failure to scroll down; somethimes they just disappear). Sometimes, all of the posts do not appear for awhile, but then later, they all reappear. Sometimes, the essays to not appear in their entirety but are clipped off at the bottom in mid-sentence. Bu then later, they are restored.

I think that when a post does not appear, it is more likely due to a software glitch than to censureship.

Anon,

WAPO now does not allow any commentary that has a full web address as part of the commentary so resend your "blockages" without web addresses and see what happens.

No freedom of speech and religion on the wapo "ON FAITH" boards.

Posts are held and blocked from posting. The best posts don't make the threads. The board content is stilted and BORING SKEWED PROPAGANDA without an open forum.

Moody, Moody, Moody,

And to summarize your ranting:

"No one is safe until the koran is deflawed!!!!!"

DOES ANY BODY HAVE A TONGUE?

Good question!
Can Christians ANSWER my below questions to PROVE if Christianity is false religion or not?
And to ALSO prove that Christianity is the ORIGINAL religion that Jesus (A.S) had and followed??

Jesus (A.S) said my father is greater than me.
Also said my God is a Jealous God.
Also said I do every thing with the Will of my God (father).
He also said I do not come to change but to confirm the (Jewish) Law. (His this saying tells that Jesus (A.S) came ONLY for Jews, but they did the same to him what they did to there previous apostles/ prophets)
My question TO THE CHRISTIAN WORLD IS DOES JESUS (A.S.) EVER ONCE SAID, I CAME TO GIVE MY SACRIFICE FOR YOUR SINS?
Instead JESUS (A.S) SAID, """"who break one Law will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven""".

DID OR HAVE CHRISTIANS EVER FOLLOWED WHAT JESUS (A.S) SAID??
DID YOU EVER FOLLOW THE LAW??

HE ALSO PROSTRATED AND PRAYED, my question is TO WHOM???
My another question is DOES CHRISTIANS "EVER" prayed and prostrated like Jesus (A.S) to his God (Father)?
One more IMPORTANT question, did Jesus (A.S) ever said I’m god worship me? Anywhere in Christian records or in ANY VERSION of the Bible?

THE WORST WAY OF CALLING NAME TO THE ALMIGHTY CREATOR:

When Christians say that Jesus (A.S) was the only BEGOTTEN son and not MADE like Adam (A.S) or like all other creatures or creations? (Like when and what God wishes, it happened- e.g., didn’t Adam and Eva was created, the whole world is created, WHY NOT JESUS (A.S)?)
What are you insinuating??? That God Almighty Him self came down to perform the lowest form of animal act like dog, donkey or monkey, i.e., sexual reproduction?
And on top of it Jesus (A.S) was His begotten son not legitimate????????
THAT IS THE WORST KIND OF ABUSE AND NAMING ANY BODY COULD HAVE DIRECTED TOWARDS THE GOD ALMIGHTY!!
Well down you so called CHRISTIAN believers??
You are getting your rewards in this world and will definitely get infinitely here after!!!!!!

YOUR BEST OF BEST ARE PREIST, BISHOP, CARDINAL AND POP AND NUNS RIGHT!

You say Nuns don't marry there whole life b/cause they are married to the Father. Alright!

My Question is Your Priest up to Pop, are they also married to the Father?????
Extremely Natural concept, behavior or shall I say belief ????

Ahmed, Ahmed, Ahmed,

We fight terror and aggression wherever and whenever it threatens our safety. The flaws and errors of Islam today are the greatest of these threats as noted by the following body count:

1a) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto

1b) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens, 1000’s injured

2) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, 4000 US troops and 82,109 – 89,605 Iraqi civilians iraqbodycount.org/

3) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded

4) Bali-in 2002-killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.

5) Bali in 2005- Twenty people were killed, and 129 people were injured by three bombers who killed themselves in the attacks.

6) Spain in 2004- killing 191 people and wounding 2,050.

7) UK in 2005- The bombings killed 52 commuters and the four radical Islamic suicide bombers, injured 700.

And what drives this situation??? The centuries-old blood feud between Sunnis and Shiites. Once again:

As noted above: The Sunni-Shiite civil war in Iraq and the 24/7 blood letting, .

Iran, Shiite theocracy, 24/7 support of global terror.

OBL, Sunni/"Wannabee" madman, 24/7 support of global terror.

Fill in the answers below:

Hamas, Sunni or Shiite??

Fatah, Sunni or Shiite??

Pakistan, Sunni or Shiite? Which group assassinated Bhutto??

Malaysia, nearing a Sunni theocracy?

Bahrain, Sunni or Shiite???

Phillipines, Sunni or Shiite???

Taliban, Sunni or Shiite???

Somalia, Sunni or Shiite???

And it could all be solved by simply deflawing the koran!!!!!!

Dear Observer -

OK, I'll try again. Let's see if I make it through the lousy WaPo programming this time. You wrote:

"You advise me to read a book once in a while, while in the same breath admit that your knowledge about the ideology that poses an existentialist threat to the whole Western Civilization is “superficial at best”. If you simply read some of my posts your knowledge of Islam would be substantially more than ”superficial”."

• "Superficial" is a relative term. My personal knowledge of Islam is superficial when set against my knowledge of Xianity. That said, my knowledge of Islam probably far exceeds that of the general populace. I don't know whether reading your posts on Islam would enlighten me about Islam, but I'm pretty sure they'd lay bare your paranoia about the same.

"At the same time you behave as if you know more about Christian history than all the Bible scholars and those who wrote about that history throughout the past 2008 years (and not 1500, as you maintain.)"

• Absolute hokum. I have never claimed that I have the Biblical knowledge of a Crossan, let alone he and the rest of the Bible scholars put together. What I do have is a general knowledge that I've gained through my own studies which I choose to share on this blog. My knowledge of science comes from a standard public school education and reading magazines and newspapers, options that are open to everyone in this country.

In other words, my knowledge of things is average.

The problem seems to be that those with below-average knowledge of common scientific knowledge feel competent to comment on any and all things scientific, while those with the greatest knowledge of religion (Crossan, et al) seem loath to call religion for what it is: an absolute sham with no historic truth behind it. They know it, they just won't say it (or, they'll say it without saying it).

• You “debunk"? ’my claims about the martyrdom of all the original disciples by alleging their execution was due to their “obstinacy”.

You're confusing two separate issues.

The first is the legend of the original 12 Apostles dying martyr deaths. I debunk this by stating correctly that this is the stuff of myth, not history. I ask you you provide sources to back up your claims. I'm still waiting.

The second issue deals with Xians being executed for their obstinacy, not for the mere fact that they were Xians. To support this claim, I provided a snippet of Pliny's letter to Trajan. It is clear to anyone with the ability to comprehend these things that Pliny was NOT speaking of the original 12 Apostles. How could he? His letter to Trajan was written in 112CE. Anybody living in 30CE would have been long dead, including the 12.

"Supposing that was true, but what called the attention of the authorities to these simple people in the first place? Is it not because they were preaching a Gospel that was considered by the ROMANS AS A THREAT TO THEIR RELIGION AND TO THEIR SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT?"

• If you knew anything about history, you would know that the Romans were successful conquerers because they allowed the vanquished to continue to worship their local gods. They only insisted that the vanquished worship the Roman gods IN ADDITION TO their local gods. This meant recognizing the Emperor as a living god. This some Xians would not do.

The Romans didn't see any particular religion as a threat. The threat came in refusing to bow to Rome's absolute power by making a show of worshipping Rome's gods.

BTW - I'm a little disappointed that you try to gain sympathy for the early Xians by calling them "these simple people." I'm sure that you and your fellow Xians find it appropriate to use such loaded language tp draw sympathy - it's right up there with, "the poor, innocent baby Jesus, the Lamb of God destined to die on a cross. Boo-hoo..."

Well, were all early Xians "simple people?" I thought they were radical revolutionaries with a few brilliant minds thrown in, minds (like Paul) who understood the "word of god."

Did Xians have a monopoly on simpletons, or were there "poor simple people" from other religions who had plenty of simpletons in their midst as well?

"You don’t seem to be aware of the contradictions between your original claim; that ‘Jesus did not exist”, and the later claim about his followers."

• Where's the contradiction? Let's try this one:

Xenu didn't bring people to Earth 75 million years ago in a spaceship that looked like a 747. Ergo, Xenu did not exist.

However, members of the Church of Scientology firmly believe that Xenu DID exist, and the basic tenets of their religion are based on a belief that Xenu existed.

OK, you tell me: what's the difference between Jesus not existing and Xenu not existing and followers of Xianity and those of Scientology firmly believing that Jesus/Xenu did exist? Where is there a contradiction?

Back at ya.

Oh and why is it Dr. King only got a couple of days and then we came back to this crack brained idiocy.

There is no comparison between the situation of Mohamed after taking Mecca and Bush after removing Saddam. For one thing Mecca still had in Mohamed's time an effective standing army and an effective government. No such things existed in Iraq. To have left would only have meant that the situation we left would be even worse than it is now.

Anonymous

Theology of peace in Islam is summed up towards the end of rifts and fightings by the Quran when Mohammad with his superior army entered Macca. No blood was shed and he appointed one of his old enemies as the mayor of the city and after he performed his pilgrimage, he left for his home in the city of Medina.

George Bush could have done the same!! but he stayed in Iraq.

Here is what Quran says at the time:

"To you, your religion and to me mine. I do not worship that which you worship and neither you worship what I worship." In other words,neither I expect you to follow my religion and you should not expect me to follow yours.

Anything you or anyone else says after this is for creating mischief. Follow this and make peace with those who extend the hand of peace to you. The rest leave them to their own affairs and once you leave those countries, they will leave you.

But keep fighting "Islam" as a whole whilst you station troops for over 5 decades in Arabia, then don't blame some who willsee this as confrontaiton, started by you.

That may be too much common sense for most of you Americans but why don't you try it?

truth is you have no control over your own foreign policy and will tax fund 'your troops' and use brute force as it is always "an option on the table' as your president loves to repeat. Talk about aggravation.

Is there no advisor that can tell him, please talk to these people and promise to leave them. Then pack up and leave. BUT tell them if they come to US soil and fith back, they will have another thing coming to them.

End of the story. Actually not. After a period of lull, start sending us your teachers, doctors, businessmen, artists and the likes. It will project good image of America. It will take a while but start it. Be an ambassodor for peace instead of muck-raking.

You will find us most amicable people. Fanatics are very minority and if you insist in attacking all Muslims and Islam, then you give them the ammo and give us no voice.

Common sense is lost on common people, or what?

Peace.

testing testing testing..

testing

Let us see if this brief note goes through.

Yo there blog moderator, this thread is not registering!!!!!!

THEOLOGY OF PEACE IN ISLAM

http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~rtavakol/engineer/theology.htm

Mr. Mark et al,

It appears there is a malfunction in the system.

Mr. Mark et al,

If you added a full web address to your recent commentaries, the system will not accept said commentaries. In the past, commentaries were restricted to two web addresses. Why? Limit or elimination of web pages that might be offensive???

Ahhh... Mr. Mark... hello and goodbye. I also just wrote a longish-reply... and it ALSO vanished into the black hole of 'waiting for approval'.

Oh, well... it looks like I might be right behind you.

Dear Observer -

FYI, I wrote a long-ish response to your last post. Unfortunately, I was blogging from my home computer, and every post I write from there is being embargoed by the blog owner (the blog owner being technically inept, my posts from work seem to escape the dreaded "under review" black hole). Apparently, I've been flagged as an undesirable voice on this forum. I guess I'm no longer welcome here.

As I can't and won't waste office time posting here, that does it for me. Bye-bye to all the friends and engaged opponents I've made here over the past year and a half.

To my atheist friends - good luck. Your time here may be limited as well.

As always,

Mr Mark

Of course Islam should be 'ended'. There is no need to actually destroy it, though... all that is necessary is to entice it to destroy itself. The 'problem' can be resolved… quickly… easily… economically… once and for all.

The simple solution requires only that for one whole month, every newspaper in the free world devote its front page to offensive cartoons, ridiculing Allah (peace on him) and Mohammed (peace on him, too). By the end of that time, most of Islam will have self-destructed in a paroxysm of snits, hissy-fits and terminal apoplexy.

WARNING: This will not be pretty… but the world will be a much better place for it.

Regrettably, I can't think of a similarly uncomplicated, cost-effective and efficient stratagem for dismantling Christianity… but… (sigh)… oh well… one thing at a time. One only does what one can.

You see... ALL religions are 'false'. Islam is no more false than christianity. But Islam and Christianity are undoubtedly the most dangerous. I think that christianity is a far greater threat to our way of life, here in the USA, than Islam is, though. Comparatively speaking, Islam is little more than a petty annoyance. Even so... petty annoyances STILL need to be dealt with; they distract one from focusing on what is truly important.

With respect to McCain renouncing Parsley... what's the point? All of the present crop of presidential candidates are either lying or deluded. No 'false dichotomy' here... the extremes are stark... and accurate... and there is no 'in-between'. All of the candidates profess that they 'believe' in god... and they either do, or they don't. If they do... they are deluded. If they don't... they are lying. Either way (in my mind), it reveals them to be unqualified to hold and execute the high-office of President of the USA. But since we are given no alternatives... and if I HAD to choose (I don't HAVE to... all I need to do is write-in Pat Paulsen again) I'd have to go with the non-believing liar; at least there is a much higher probability that he/she is actually SANE... i.e., NOT deluded. Maybe he can't be trusted, entirely... but at least he can be trusted not to be including prayer, Jesus, prophecy, and the WILL of god in his tool-kit. in his plans.

“The president of the United States has claimed, on more than one occasion, to be in dialogue with God. If he said that he was talking to God through his hairdryer, this would precipitate a national emergency. I fail to see how the addition of a hairdryer makes the claim more ridiculous or offensive.” ~ Sam Harris, 'Letter to a Christian Nation'

Let's hear from somebody of the same stripe and mind-set as our PRESENT Commander in Chief...

“My responsibility is to follow the Scriptures which call upon us to occupy the land until Jesus returns.” ~ James Watt, Former (US) Secretary of Interior, Washington Post, May 24, 1981

“We don't have to protect the environment, the Second Coming is at hand.” ~ James Watt, Former (US) Secretary of Interior, Washington Post, May 24, 1981

"I don't know how many future generations we can count on until the Lord returns." ~ James Watt, Former (US) Secretary of Interior, to a Congressional committee in 1981, quoted from "A Brief History of the Apocalypse"

P.S.: Yeah... I know that Pat Paulsen is dead. He was dead the last time I wrote him in, too. Even dead, he's a better choice than any of the lot that we have before us.

Observer writes: "TJ
You say
Observer writes: "I know you are a Muslim hiding behind a Christian name. I read a number of your comments and I know a Muslim when I hear one."
That's the funniest thing I've read here yet.
Moi:
How can you be sure about Mr. Mark’s identity? The fact that he admits his ignorance of the Muslim religion means nothing. Most Muslims are ignorant of their religion’s theology except for some of its rituals."

If you grasp tightly enough, you might actually come away with a straw.

How do I know? Mr Mark makes arguments and points that no religious person makes. He connects dots that those suffering from the affliction of religion cannot, and do not, make.

I've been on both sides of that fence. To put it simply Observer, I know s*** from shinola. You just demonstrated that you don't.

Quaid wrote:

"My friend Robert just converted, and embraced this great Abrahamic faith-Islam."

This converted Robert is from a broken family ? I am amazed how the number of stupid persons are increasing in North America ! How do you guys pull it off, man ? I mean what is that which sells Islam to such ignorants ?

One more potential terrorist (as members of home grown sleeper cells) in North America. The fastest growing social cancer cells seems unstoppable.

Moody, Moody, Moody,

How soon you forget. One more time, a synopsis of religious reality:

A synopsis of the flaws in the founders and foundations of the major religions for those that have not seen them before or did not take the time to look:

1. Abraham founder/father of three major religions was either the embellishment of the lives of three different men or a mythical character as was Moses, the "Tablet-Man" who talked to burning bushes and made much magic in Egypt.

1.5 million Conservative Jews and their rabbis have relegated Abraham to the myth pile along with most if not all the OT. simpletoremember.com/vitals/ConservativeTorah.htm

2. Jesus, the illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter possibly suffering from hallucinations, has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a mamzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). Analyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, On Faith panelists) via the NT and related documents have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hittites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.
earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

For added "pizzazz", Catholic/Christian theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

3. Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley et al, founders of Christian-based religions, also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingy talking flying fictional thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immaculate conceptions).

4. Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/ hallucinating/ plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

This agenda continues as shown by the assassination of Bhutto, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, and the Filipino “koranics”.

And who funds these acts of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

5. Hinduism (from an online Hindu site) - "Hinduism cannot be described as an organized religion. It is not founded by any individual. Hinduism is God centered and therefore one can call Hinduism as founded by God, because the answer to the question ‘Who is behind the eternal principles and who makes them work?’ will have to be ‘Cosmic power, Divine power, God’."

The caste/laborer system and cow worship are problems when saying a fair and rational God founded Hinduism."

6. Buddhism- "Buddhism began in India about 500 years before the birth of Christ. The people living at that time had become disillusioned with certain beliefs of Hinduism including the caste system, which had grown extremely complex. The number of outcasts (those who did not belong to any particular caste) was continuing to grow."
"However, in Buddhism, like so many other religions, fanciful stories arose concerning events in the life of the founder, Siddhartha Gautama (fifth century B.C.):"

Archaeological discoveries have proved, beyond a doubt, his historical character, but apart from the legends we know very little about the circumstances of his life. e.g. Buddha by one legend was supposedly talking when he came out of his mother's womb.

Bottom line: There are many good ways of living but be aware of the hallucinations, embellishments, lies and myths surrounding the founders and foundations of said rules of life.

I am delighted that our country looks about to have a choice between two independent-minded candidates (McCain and Obama) neither of whom takes his marching orders from organized religion or its representatives.

For the record, Gary D and Serena are correct. The alliance between McCain and Parsley (and Hagee) is largely political although it is unfortunate that McCain as a Republican cannot distance himself any further from the religious right.

McCain's connection with well-known evangelists is political, and that connection's religious aspects are not pertinent to his views. Obama's connection with Rev. Wright is personal, and that connection's political aspects are not pertinent to his views. Got that?

As a Catholic I sympathize with the dilemma both face. I am not willing to disavow the supportive and life-affirming functions of my church, but its leaders are incapable of speaking for what is in my own heart.

Sorry Mr. Rod Parsley and the few who follow his extreme hate campaign; Islam is the fastest growing religion on the planet earth specifically in North America and Canada. My friend Robert just converted, and embraced this great Abrahamic faith-Islam. Read the Quran, read Michael Hearts book on the "100 most influential people", read the great things that Bernard Shaw Lewis has to say about Islam etc. etc…these are non-Muslims…as the saying goes, “The strongest testimony is from those who don’t believe.” And yes, Jesus (peace be upon him) will come again (that’s why God says in the Majestic Quran that he was not crucified but taken to the heavens). Muslims believe in his second coming! “Read in the name of your Lord who created” Quran. That’s the advice of our creator and the first verse that was revealed to the seal of the Prophets-Muhammad (peace be upon him). Two books I highly recommend on the Empire of Faith-Islam are: “The Vision of Islam” by Sachiko Murata,William C. Chittick, and “Unveiling Islam” by Du Pasquier translated from the French by T.J. Winter. Remember ignorance is darkness!

Reverend Parsley and McCain are right about Islam. Quran [002:216],[004:095],[005:033],[009:005],[009:029],[047:004] are examples of tolerance and respect that Islam advocates for non-Muslims.

It needs destruction and that shall soon be the fate of Islam.

ISLAM IS A BARBARIC RELIGION.

Good question!

Can Christians ANSWER my below questions to PROVE if Christianity is false religion or not?
And to ALSO prove that Christianity is the ORIGINAL religion that Jesus (A.S) had and followed??

Jesus (A.S) said my father is greater than me.
Also said my God is a Jealous God.
Also said I do every thing with the Will of my God (father).
He also said I do not come to change but to confirm the (Jewish) Law. (His this saying tells that Jesus (A.S) came ONLY for Jews, but they did the same to him what they did to there previous apostles/ prophets)
My question TO THE CHRISTIAN WORLD IS DOES JESUS (A.S.) EVER ONCE SAID, I CAME TO GIVE MY SACRIFICE FOR YOUR SINS?
Instead JESUS (A.S) SAID, """"who break one Law will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven""".

DID OR HAVE CHRISTIANS EVER FOLLOWED WHAT JESUS (A.S) SAID??
DID YOU EVER FOLLOW THE LAW??

HE ALSO PROSTRATED AND PRAYED, my question is TO WHOM???
My another question is DOES CHRISTIANS "EVER" prayed and prostrated like Jesus (A.S) to his God (Father)?
One more IMPORTANT question, did Jesus (A.S) ever said I’m god worship me? Anywhere in Christian records or in ANY VERSION of the Bible?

THE WORST WAY OF CALLING NAME TO THE ALMIGHTY CREATOR:

When Christians say that Jesus (A.S) was the only BEGOTTEN son and not MADE like Adam (A.S) or like all other creatures or creations? (Like when and what God wishes, it happened- e.g., didn’t Adam and Eva was created, the whole world is created, WHY NOT JESUS (A.S)?)
What are you insinuating??? That God Almighty Him self came down to perform the lowest form of animal act like dog, donkey or monkey, i.e., sexual reproduction?
And on top of it Jesus (A.S) was His begotten son not legitimate????????
THAT IS THE WORST KIND OF ABUSE AND NAMING ANY BODY COULD HAVE DIRECTED TOWARDS THE GOD ALMIGHTY!!
Well down you so called CHRISTIAN believers??
You are getting your rewards in this world and will definitely get infinitely here after!!!!!!

YOUR BEST OF BEST ARE PREIST, BISHOP, CARDINAL AND POP AND NUNS RIGHT!

You say Nuns don't marry there whole life b/cause they are married to the Father. Alright!

My Question is Your Priest up to Pop, are they also married to the Father?????
Extremely Natural concept, behavior or shall I say believe????

One more IMPORTANT question to Christians!

Did Jesus(A.S) ever said, I'm god worship me?

Any where in your records or in ANY version of Bible?

Good question!
Can Christians reply my below questions to PROVE if Christianity is false religion or not?
And to ALSO prove that it is the ORIGINAL religion that Jesus (A.S) had and followed??

Jesus (A.S) said my father is greater than me.
Also said my God is a Jealous God.
Also said I do every thing with the Will of my God(father.
He also said I do not come to change but to confirm the (Jewish)Law. (His this saying tells that Jesus (A.S) came only for Jews, but they did the same to him what they did to there previous apostles/ prophets)
My question TO THE CHRISTIAN WORLD IS DOES JESUS (A.S.) EVER ONCE SAID, I CAME TO GIVE MY SACRIFICE FOR YOUR SINS?
Instead JESUS (A.S) SAID, """"who break one Law will not enter the kingdom of Heaven""".

DID OR HAVE CHRISTIANS EVER FOLLOWED WHAT JESUS (A.S) SAID??????? DID YOU EVER FOLLOWED THE LAW??

HE ALSO PROSTRATED AND PRAYED, my question is TO WHOM???
My another question is DOES CHRISTIANS "EVER" prayed and prostrated like Jesus (a.s) to his God (Father)?

THE WORST WAY OF CALLING NAME TO THE ALMIGHTY CREATOR:

When Christians say that Jesus (A.S) was the only BEGOTTEN son and not MADE like Adam (A.S) or like all other creatures or creations? (Like when and what God wishes, it happened- e.g., didn’t Adam and Eva was created, the whole world is created, WHY NOT JESUS (A.S)?)
What are you insinuating??? That God Almighty Him self came down to perform the lowest form of animal act like dog, donkey or monkey, i.e., sexual reproduction?
And on top of it Jesus (A.S) was His begotten son not legitimate????????
THAT IS THE WORST KIND OF ABUSE AND NAMING ANY BODY COULD HAVE DIRECTED TOWARDS THE GOD ALMIGHTY!!
Well down you so called CHRISTIAN believers??
You are getting your rewards in this world and will definitely get infinitely here after!!!!!!

YOUR BEST OF BEST ARE PREIST, BISHOP, CARDINAL AND POP AND NUNS RIGHT!

You say Nuns don't marry there whole life b/cause they are married to the Father. Alright!

My Question is Your Priest up to Pop, are they also married to the Father?????

Extremely Natural concept, behavior or shall I say believe????

The difference between Rev. Wright and Rev. Parsley is more than just the difference in the distance from the candidate.

It's the difference between a liar and someone who honestly reports what he sees.

Rev. Wright is a liar. We have seen tapes of him telling slanderous lies about historical fact. They are important lies, too, because as a result, the black community is notoriously suspicious of the government and has the highest rate of new HIV infections.

Rev. Parsley is merely taking the writings of the irhabists and other evildoers at their face value. Those evil people claim to represent the true face of Islam. Some of the writers are prominent members of the faith.

Just this week, for example, the Washington Post reported that Saudi King Abdullah delivered a little-noticed but "potentially momentous" statement calling for an interfaith dialogue among Saudi Muslims, Christians and Jews. Saying he had the support of the official Saudi clergy, King Abdullah said "the idea is to ask representatives of all monotheistic religions to sit together with their brothers in faith and sincerity to all religions as we all believe in the same god."

***********

Although the Post did not report a specific statement to this effect, this statement is being taken as a repudiation of the latest idiotic Wahabbi fatwa, by Sheik Abdul-Rahman al-Barak, calling for the murder of Abdullah bin Bejad al-Otaibi and Yousef Aba al-Khail, for publishing articles in a well-known Saudi newspaper, al-Riyadh. They have taken the position that Muslims need not regard adherents of other faiths, such as Christians and Jews, as apostates.

Rev. Parsley can point to the writings of Muslims that claim to make the teachings he says they do. Rev. Wright has been making up lies out of thin air, jealousy, envy and bile.

Deb Chatterjee:

I don't understand why when you cite Prophet Mohammed you immediately follow it up by writing (Peace Be Upon Him). I meant to ask you this for a long time. I can understand Victoria or one of the cyber-Muslims here to do that (brainwashed as they are) but what motivates you? Do you really care?

In Hinduism we believe that each man earns his own peace according to his karma. So as a Hindu I don't understand this Peace-Be-Upon-Him business. If he was a true master, he already attained peace the day he passed away. He does not need other Muslims to say "Peace Be Upon Him", as if repeating it somehow increases his chances for attaining it now. It's strange to say the least.

Mr. Mark
You advise me to read a book once in a while, while in the same breath admit that your knowledge about the ideology that poses an existentialist threat to the whole Western Civilization is “superficial at best”. If you simply read some of my posts your knowledge of Islam would be substantially more than ”superficial”. At the same time you behave as if you know more about Christian history than all the Bible scholars and those who wrote about that history throughout the past 2008 years (and not 1500, as you maintain.)
You “debunk"? ’my claims about the martyrdom of all the original disciples by alleging their execution was due to their “obstinacy”. Supposing that was true, but what called the attention of the authorities to these simple people in the first place? Is it not because they were preaching a Gospel that was considered by the ROMANS AS A THREAT TO THEIR RELIGION AND TO THEIR SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT?
You don’t seem to be aware of the contradictions between your original claim; that ‘Jesus did not exist”, and the later claim about his followers.

TJ
You say
Observer writes: "I know you are a Muslim hiding behind a Christian name. I read a number of your comments and I know a Muslim when I hear one."
That's the funniest thing I've read here yet.
Moi:
How can you be sure about Mr. Mark’s identity? The fact that he admits his ignorance of the Muslim religion means nothing. Most Muslims are ignorant of their religion’s theology except for some of its rituals.

The philosophical framework of Islam is so backward and narrow-minded that it will probably not survive in its current form. Islam will be forced to undergo a reform just to survive. How long can narrow-mindedness go on in this age of enlightment and globalization? That whole religion is out of sync with the rest of human civilization. Just consider the following:

1. No freedom of contemplation and self-criticism. Hence, no fresh ideas and no chance for a broadening of views.

2. Terrible treatment of minorities. If you look around you will find that Islamic countries tend to have a very high concentration of Muslims. Very few Islamic countries have any sizeable proportion of minorities. This shows that Islam does not tolerate and respect diversity. If they have a minority, they get rid of them quite fast.

3. Islamic countries tend to be theocracies. None of them can be called truly secular. By truly secular I mean you can fnd minorities in positions of significant power in the political and economic life of the country. All Muslims countries will fail that test. Why? Because they think that Muslims are superior to everyone else and that others don't deserve to exercise any power in their countries. (But the paradox is Muslims want to make a life and do well with all rights intact in countries of the kafirs). This is the height of hypocrisy.

4. Muslims believe in dogmas without the ability to question. Anyone who dares to question any dogma is subject to an immediate fatwa from some idiotic mullah sitting somewhere.

5. There is a tendency for Muslims to demand a seperate state as soon as they are in majority anywhere. This complete inability to live with others is amazing. So Deb Chatterjee is quite right. We will admit Muslims in America at our own peril.

6. The Sharia is a barbaric set of laws that is unmatched even by the Mafia culture. No civilized nation on earth should even talk about granting it legitimacy. Sharia should be outlawed forthwith from all civilized countries in this world.

Dear Observer -

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not a Muslim. Indeed, I must confess that my knowledge of Islam is superficial at best.

No, you're off the mark, so to speak. I was raised Lutheran, but I spent many years as a professional singer, so I am well acquainted with the liturgical practices of the Anglicans, Methodists, Presbyterians, Catholics, assorted other Xian sects and the Jews, as well.

As far as your paragraph on "Christian persecution": you do know, do you not, that the legends of the 12 disciples dying horrible deaths are just that, legends? There's no proof of any kind for these stories which were born-of and circulate-within the church as apocryphal nonsense meant to bolster the delusions of the willingly deceived (and as your silly post so readily testifies, it seems to still work, even 1500 years after the fact!).

As far as Xians being fed to the lions - the stuff of Hollywood, not history. As far as Xians willing to die for their faith, the historical documentation indicates that just as many (or more) were more than happy to renounce their faith if it meant saving their skins. Example: Pliny's letter to Trajan, CE112:

"Meanwhile, in the case of those who were denounced to me as Christians, I have observed the following procedure: I interrogated these as to whether they were Christians; those who confessed I interrogated a second and a third time, threatening them with punishment; those who persisted I ordered executed. For I had no doubt that, whatever the nature of their creed, stubbornness and inflexible obstinacy surely deserve to be punished. There were others possessed of the same folly; but because they were Roman citizens, I signed an order for them to be transferred to Rome.

"Soon accusations spread, as usually happens, because of the proceedings going on, and several incidents occurred. An anonymous document was published containing the names of many persons. Those who denied that they were or had been Christians, when they invoked the gods in words dictated by me, offered prayer with incense and wine to your image, which I had ordered to be brought for this purpose together with statues of the gods, and moreover cursed Christ--none of which those who are really Christians, it is said, can be forced to do--these I thought should be discharged. Others named by the informer declared that they were Christians, but then denied it, asserting that they had been but had ceased to be, some three years before, others many years, some as much as twenty-five years. ***They all worshipped your image and the statues of the gods, and cursed Christ.****

"They asserted, however, that the sum and substance of their fault or error had been that they were accustomed to meet on a fixed day before dawn and sing responsively a hymn to Christ as to a god, and to bind themselves by oath, not to some crime, but not to commit fraud, theft, or adultery, not falsify their trust, nor to refuse to return a trust when called upon to do so. When this was over, it was their custom to depart and to assemble again to partake of food--but ordinary and innocent food. Even this, they affirmed, they had ceased to do after my edict by which, in accordance with your instructions, I had forbidden political associations. Accordingly, I judged it all the more necessary to find out what the truth was by torturing two female slaves who were called deaconesses. But I discovered nothing else but depraved, excessive superstition."
Letter to Trajan; Pliny the Younger, 112

Notice that these people were persecuted NOT because they were Xian, but because, "whatever the nature of their creed, stubbornness and inflexible obstinacy surely deserve to be punished."

Sorry to see you're so wedded to myth. It happens, but it's also curable (hint: open a book once in a while).

Observer writes: "I know you are a Muslim hiding behind a Christian name.I read a number of your comments and I know a Muslim when I hear one."

That's the funniest thing I've read here yet.

In 1937 Winston Churchill said of Palastenians:

I do not agree that the dog in a manager has the final right to the manager,evevn though he may have lain there for a very long time.I do not admit that right.I do not admit, for instance,that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America,or the black people of Australia.I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race,a higher grade race,a more wordly-wise race,to put it that way,has come in and taken their place

Quoted in Editorial 'Scurrying Towards Bethlehem',New Left Review10,2nd series, July/August2001 p.9,n.5

Hitler first made Germans believe Jews were bad boys.Then he could easily justify holocaust.Now Bush and Mac cain wants to justify not only millions of deaths including women and children in Iraq but also deaths of thousands of American soldiers.Similar things are repeated in Palastine and Gujarat.

The term anti-American is used by the American establishment to discredit and define its critics

Ahmed, Ahmed, Ahmed,

Eliminate the 800 year old blood feud between the Sunnis and Shiites, and we will be able to bring our troops home.

Hmmm, Iraq Sunni minority, Shiite majority, 24/7 blood letting, 4000 American soldiers dead, 90,000 Iraqi civilians dead.

Iran, Shiite theocracy, 24/7 support of global terror.

Saudi Arabia, Sunni theocracy and the terror supporting "Wannabees".

OBL, Sunni/"Wannabee" madman, 24/7 support of global terror.

Fill in the answers below:

Hamas, Sunni or Shiite??

Fatah, Sunni or Shiite??

Pakistan, Sunni or Shiite? Which group assassinated Bhutto??

Malaysia, nearing a Sunni theocracy?

Bahrain, Sunni or Shiite???

Phillipines, Sunni or Shiite???

Taliban, Sunni or Shiite???

Somalia, Sunni or Shiite???

And it could all be stopped by simply deflawing the koran!!!!!!

So Ahmed we should leave you to your own devises knowing full well that every so often the crazies like Osama will leak out to damage the rest of the world because the clowns running most countries in the Middle East are busy playing the old misdirection game.

Mr. Mark
You say:
"How do we know that Jesus existed?"
I know you are a Muslim hiding behind a Christian name. I read a number of your comments and I know a Muslim when I hear one. Therefore the short answer will be read your Quran. Well you don't believe that collection of myths? Neither do I. Then let us tackle the question from a different perspective.
The Dead Sea scrolls had all the books of the Old Testament except one;Esther. In the book of Isaiah who lived about 700 years before the time of Jesus there are many prophesies about Jesus. Christians rely heavily on that book and to a lesser degree on the psalms of King David in deciphering the prophecies about Jesus. The Jewish historian Josephus lived during the first Century AD , and while he was born few years after Jesus resurrection, yet he was very aware of him and his movement. He witnessed the Jewish and Roman persecution of his followers. The history of the Church have record of many of the early Christian martyrs as described below.

“Christian Persecution: Many of the Early Disciples Died for their Faith
Christian persecution was a dramatic part of early church history. For anyone who holds that the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ was a man-made hoax conspired by a group of disciples should check out the legacy of martyrdom. Eleven of the 12 apostles, and many of the other early disciples, died for their adherence to this story. This is dramatic, since they all witnessed the alleged events of Jesus and still went to their deaths defending their faith. Why is this dramatic, when many throughout history have died martyred deaths for a religious belief? Because people don’t die for a lie. Look at human nature throughout history. No conspiracy can be maintained when life or liberty is at stake. Dying for a belief is one thing, but numerous eye-witnesses dying for a known lie is quite another.”

How do we know that Moses existed? Because of the dramatic change in the lives of the Hebrew tribe. The dramatic change in the culture of the civilized world could not be explained except by a cosmic event which is the teachings of a humble carpenter from Galilee.

Garyd

Its non of your business to send troops thousands of miles to want to rid the world of evil. Who do you think you are, for God's sake?

Try taking care of your own poor and sick, 70 millions of them without health insurance. Take care of Catrina victims and those who sleep on park benches and those who have been done in with billions of their retirement savings.

Holier than though. Your foreign policy of interference has created many enemies for yourself and you are too blind and stubborn to see that. 50 years of major interference in our affairs.

Tell me if Russia and China had military bases right next to your coastlines and supported every thug and dropped bombs on you almost every day and year, How would you re-act?

Please be honest and just answer this question. So far you have ducked my straight questions. Please just answer this one, once.

Wake up and mind your own business. Then great things happen. It has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with politics and PR which your Zionist controlled media are very good at. Amazing how people spend billion and all their energy to skew facts and invent stuff.

If a quarter of that money and energy we